Breaking the Simulation with Oz Pearlman, Mentalist

Summary

Good Guys – Breaking the Simulation with Oz Pearlman, Mentalist

Podcast: Good Guys
Host: Dear Media (Josh Peck & Ben Soffer)
Guest: Oz Pearlman, Mentalist
Release Date: December 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, actor/writer Josh Peck and entrepreneur/social media icon Ben Soffer sit down with world-renowned mentalist Oz Pearlman. The conversation ranges from the secrets and ethics of mentalism, viral media moments, running ultra-marathons, work-life balance as a dad of five, and "breaking the simulation" with incredible live mind-reading demonstrations. The hosts challenge Oz on skepticism and explore practical everyday “superpowers” from his craft.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to Oz Pearlman and Mentalism

• Defining Mentalism: Oz describes himself as a mentalist, not a magician—his specialty is "sleight of mind." He emphasizes the difference between his craft and traditional magic by focusing on mind-reading, influence, and psychological illusion, instead of tricks or sleight of hand.
  • “I kind of do sleight of mind.” – Oz [00:54]

2. Rise to Fame & Notable Appearances

• Oz discusses appearing on America’s Got Talent (AGT), The Howard Stern Show, and viral moments on social media.
  • The Howard Stern experience: “If you’re willing to commit 11 minutes, it’s nuts... Howard was in person. Beth was in person. I shook Howard’s hand.” – Oz [02:42]
  • The "safe word" challenge with Howard Stern (paralleling Houdini’s legendary anti-psychic test) [02:42–04:53]

3. Ethics & Reality of Psychics vs. Mentalists

• Oz clarifies he does not believe in supernatural abilities and is transparent about not being psychic:
  • “I am an honest con man. I am telling you that what I’m doing is not real.” – Oz [05:25]
• He distances his approach from Uri Geller, who claimed real powers, highlighting his own ethical stance:
  • “What I’m doing can be explained by science, repeatable, and is explainable.” – Oz [05:25]

4. The Power (and Limits) of Influence

• Live on Joe Rogan, Oz guessed his pin code, leading to a broader discussion about security and “social engineering”—the human weaknesses in digital security systems.
  • “The easiest way to break into a safe is to break the mind of the person, get the person who has the safe, and get the number from them. Voila.” – Oz [13:32]

5. Mentalism as Storytelling

• Oz reveals the most powerful element in his work: the transformation of a performance into a personal, shareable, and memorable story.
  • “The stories we tell after something occurs are more important than what actually happens.” – Oz [34:52, 39:27–41:07]
  • On influencing memories: By designing tricks so the participant “discovers” the magic, he shapes how they retell the experience—making it seem even more impossible.

6. Ultra-Marathon Running and Mindset

• Oz shares his experiences running the infamous Badwater 135-mile ultramarathon in Death Valley.
  • “It is the world’s toughest foot race—135 miles in the hottest week of the year in Death Valley… 28 hours.” – Oz [19:54–21:44]
• Discussion on what drives people to such extremes—replacing unhealthy addictions, seeking limits, and finding challenge in modern comfort.

7. Family, Work-Life Balance & Parenting

• Oz talks about raising five kids under ten and the unique logistics and joys of a big family. He describes the point where adding more children changes daily life less than one might expect.
  • “Once you get from three to four, it’s very little change... Four to five has been difficult.” – Oz [27:52–28:02]

8. Growing Up & Entering Magic

• From a self-taught teen magician in Michigan to national TV, Oz reflects on his early influences (David Blaine, Copperfield, Ricky Jay), what kept him in close-up magic, and the difficulties imagining a career in entertainment as a first-generation immigrant.

9. The “Mentalist vs. Magician” Community & Industry Insight

• Anecdote about meeting David Blaine and a strange “beef” over shared stories about going to jail—a glimpse into the competitive and insular world of elite magicians.
  • “It was a very weird first interaction... He was lightly antagonistic.” – Oz [30:06–33:09]
• On Criss Angel: “Fearless. He would do stuff where everyone’s like, ‘Chris, you could probably die right now’. And he’s like, ‘I don’t care.’” [56:04]

10. Practical Everyday Mentalism (“Superpowers” for All)

• Oz shares actionable tactics from his book for relationship and career success.
  • Take notes on everyone you meet—names, details, interests—and refer to them to make people feel “seen.”
  • “It’s not even a magic trick. It’s not even cheating. I just took the time to remember things about people.” – Oz [56:31–58:35]
• Remembering names: “Listen, Repeat, Reply” (adapted from shampoo labels) as a foolproof name-recall technique.
  • “When you meet someone, you realize you forgot their name. You didn’t forget their name. You never knew it.” – Oz [58:50]

11. Live Mind-Reading Demonstrations

• First Trick [47:12–54:29]: Oz asks Ben to think of someone at the table—reveals not only the celebrity “Criss Angel,” but also another (Damon) Ben was considering, stunning both hosts.
  • “The fact that he’s asking you so that he can read your mind or mannerisms about Criss Angel and then just stunts on you with Damon. Wow.” – Josh [51:16]
• Final Demonstration (“The Cherry on Top”) [68:41–75:39]: Ben is told to come up with an unanswerable question, then lie when giving the answer (about his favorite vegetable). Oz not only divines the lie—banana peppers—but correctly identifies the truth: Brussels sprouts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I’m an artist who’s also a business person. But I know what I’m selling, and a lot of people don’t know what they’re selling.” – Oz [34:28]
• “The best illusions are the ones where it makes it look like you went through the safe.” – Oz [14:13]
• “Memory is malleable. Memory can be changed and finessed and massaged if you know how to do it.” – Oz [39:44]
• “If you can find those ways to shine the spotlight on what you want… The legend continues.” – Oz [42:48]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Oz’s Howard Stern Show Story: 02:39–04:53
• Ethics of Psychics vs. Mentalism: 04:53–05:52
• Social Engineering & Security: 09:30–14:13
• Defining “Memorable Moments” in Magic: 34:52–41:07
• Ultra-Marathon Running: 19:46–24:35
• Family & Parenting Insight: 27:02–28:44
• Beef with David Blaine: 30:04–33:09
• First Live Mind-Reading Trick: 47:12–54:29
• Practical Memory/Social Hacks: 56:31–62:16
• Big Finale Trick: 68:41–75:39

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Tone & Atmosphere

High-energy, candid, and playful banter. The hosts repeatedly express awe at Oz’s abilities, mixing earnest curiosity with friendly skepticism. Oz comes across as witty, self-aware, transparent about his methods, and passionate about sharing practical advice.

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For New Listeners

If you’re curious about the practical psychology behind mind-reading, the psychology of memory, or want to laugh and be amazed by live demonstrations, this episode is a must-listen. It demystifies “mentalism,” challenges the boundaries between entertainment and reality, and delivers take-home wisdom for building connections, recalling names, and making an unforgettable impression.

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Follow Oz Pearlman:

• Instagram, TikTok, YouTube: @OzTheMentalist
• Book: "Read Your Mind—Proven Habits for Success from the World’s Greatest Mentalist"

Next Episodes: Mondays & Thursdays on all major platforms.

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Transcript

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And if you don't give us five stars.

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What are you nuts?

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What are you nuts?

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Yeah.

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We're the Good guys.

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They're not the great guys. We're just the good of good of the good guys. Maza Morons. Welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. I'm here with OS Perlman. What's your. What do you prefer to be called? What do you like to be called? Mentalist. A conjurer?

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Mystery male exotic dancer? No, I, I, I'm known as a mentalist. You have the close day on Ben.

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Wow.

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I don't want to disappoint. No, this is not a physique. I'm clearly not.

[C]

Save that, Save that for later.

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This is kind of like a magician, but it's unusual because I don't really do card tricks. I don't really do sleight of hand. I kind of do sleight of mind.

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It's. I've seen these clips. My God. My mind blown. Oz is. Oz is Legend. We're here with Legend. Is it short? You thought it was Oz. You're wrong. Okay, It's Oz.

[B]

Is it short for Oswaldo?

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No.

[B]

Is it short for Oswaldo? Sempic?

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I put the O's in Ozempic. I'm getting that out there, folks.

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I like that.

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By the way, that's going to be my new brand sponsorship deal. Talk to me, Eli Lilly. Do they own Ozempic? I think they do Novo Nordis. Novo Nordisk. Damn it. All right, forget that. And I've done them a lot of stuff for their Danish company. So now I really embarrassed.

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You know how rich they're going to be.

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Kidding? Novo put the O's in Ozempic. That commercial rights itself.

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We have robot. Do you know how rich you're going to be? I know you're already rich. Okay, stop. You as your mental. Yes. I've got a lot of kids capabilities to move money from one bank account to another.

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Don't tell anybody that you make the.

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Fat disappear with Osambic.

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Yes.

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Oh, my God.

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Are you getting a piece of the steel?

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Ho ho.

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Zo Spearman. You know. That's hot. Wow.

[A]

Is that. Can I, can I take that jingle right now?

[C]

Yeah, you can take it.

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It's already. I've already gotten it. It's on camera.

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It's yours. It's yours.

[B]

You are crushing the game. I am a little proud because I know we've had scheduling problems getting you on the show, but we've been trying.

[A]

You had a kid. I mean, come on. So this guy's such a diva. Is like. I had a kid.

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I'm so sorry.

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Five.

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Five.

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Five kids.

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You have three.

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I have three. But I discovered you on AGT originally. Og the greatest. Stern was one of your first believers, supporters, fans, but. But it seems in the last year you have caught fire, my friend. You are everywhere.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Wow. I mean, what clips have you seen recently on the View on Howard?

[C]

I saw the Howard clip. That was the one that I saw most recently.

[A]

Honestly, the Howard. Normally, I'll tell you, just go to my social and watch the two minute clip. But if you're willing to commit 11 minutes, it's nuts. If you watch the whole through like the Act 1, Act 2, Act 3 of how it all comes together. It was crazy. And Howard was in person. Beth was in person. I shook Howard's hand. So he's pretty sure he's going to die of COVID And he never. I need pure algorithm because the best part of the trick is that I shook your hand and you have five kids. It's literally a petri dish.

[B]

Did he. Did he really say that?

[A]

Yeah, it was hilarious.

[B]

He's sick. He's really. He's damaged.

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He's a damage.

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He's scratched. He's a scratch man. I mean, I.

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By the way, these are two completely separate things. You can be the best and love him and he can be damaged.

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I love him dearly, but who is not damaged?

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You are very damaged. Me as well.

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Yeah. How do you know?

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Because that's my sou.

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He sees into me. He's looking at me.

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Oh, oh.

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He's looking into my heart. He's looking into my heart.

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Yes.

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It's beautiful.

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Yeah.

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But like. Yeah. The Howard of it all. The fact that he was, you know, he hasn't been in studio for years.

[A]

That's true. The last time I did his thing, I guess this word that Valerie Harper told him before she died. She had terminal cancer. Do you know this thing? And for 10 years. I don't know if it's 10 years. Fact check. It was a long time. He would have psychics come in and it's kind of like a safe word where.

[B]

And Houdini created this.

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Houdini created where he goes, Houdini did not believe psychics were real. And so he said to his wife, if I die, don't Write this word down. Don't tell it to anybody. Nothing other than right now, when I share with you, don't share it with anybody ever. So it's test conditions that if I die and a psychic says they're talking to me, I will tell them the word. They will tell it to you. And now you know there's an afterlife. That's the famous thing with Bess. Bess and Houdini. And so he did the same thing with Valerie Harper because she knew she had terminal cancer. And so I guessed it. 10 years psychics have been trying. I guessed it. But I told him, I'm not going to be. I'm not talking to any dead people. I'm going to figure it out the way a mentalist does. We decipher. We figure out how you do things. That's what we do. And so he totally freaked out. And this was even crazier because him and his wife have a safe word in the bedroom. So he was more concerned about the fact that I have maybe seen them in the bedroom somehow. Like, Howard, don't worry, I was not in the bedroom for the 22 seconds you spent on Sunday nights.

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Do you think psychics exist?

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So it's kind of like saying, does God exist? I think somebody that says no is a bit egomaniacal because I can't tell billions of people that do believe in God or do believe in psychics that they're wrong. But all I can tell you is based on things that I've observed personally, I've never seen a psychic do something to me that I wasn't able to explain based on science or skills that I possess. In fact, almost all of the psychics I've personally witnessed, some of them amazing. I think I could do their job better than them.

[B]

Why is that?

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Well, because that's. I'm. I'm an honest con man, right? I'm literally conning you. And I'm telling you that what I'm doing is not real. I go out of my way in every interview, in every press piece to tell you I am not psychic. I am not supernatural. Everything I'm doing can be explained by science, repeatable and is explainable. Do you see what I'm saying? It's like versus psychic. Show me how to become psychic. I don't see that book, right? So you have to have it or you don't. And I can't explain to you how it works. And it doesn't work all the time.

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So what could you have been besides a mentalist? Like, obviously, wall Street. I was gonna say, obviously, you're just a very, very, very smart person. Like, does this.

[A]

I don't know if that's true. We can say wife, and she might disagree vehemently with that statement.

[C]

It seems though, like, like, how did, how did mentalism. Is it mentalism?

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She's like, you could read minds, why don't you know, the trash is full, Take it out, buddy.

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Right.

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Well, that's my wife.

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You live that. Mentalism is the magic of the mind, for lack of a better term. It is the illusion of able to. Being able to read people's minds and influence their thoughts. And it's an illusion. It's kind of like a magic trick.

[C]

And is it self taught? Like how does.

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I am mostly self taught, though. I have some mentors. Something I actually like. Kind of go into the book a little bit about how you find people who are who you want to be in one year, five years, 10 years.

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Yeah.

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Win them over. Find a way to break through the, you know, kind of the. The velvet rope gets moved out of the way and have them share some of their secrets with you.

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Is Uri Geller kind of the one of our generation?

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Uri Geller was different than me because Uri Geller crossed a bit of the line into where ever again where I tell you, I'm not psychic. I have no supernatural powers. Uri said that he had powers that could not be explained and did things of that sort, which again, to each their own, but ethically, I'm not doing that. So when you see me and you go, oh, he's not really reading your body language. I go, that's not a true statement. I might be, but you might be thinking 95% of how I did that trick was reading your micro expressions in your body language, when in reality it was 5 to 10%. But I don't tell you how that's done. It's kind of if I told you how it worked. Imagine you're a kid waiting to see Santa Claus at the mall. And the first thing the Santa says to you, I'm not the real Santa, kid. I'm just a guy who works, you know, in landscaping. But this is my side hustle. Wow, that's really awesome for that kid, right? I'm Santa. In this case, I'm not the real Santa. I don't know if there is a real Santa when it comes to mentalists or psychics, but I'm presenting you with a moment or moments that are amazing and memorable that hopefully you will feel on an emotional Basis. And that's why you've seen the videos everywhere, because they connect with people. Because it's amazing.

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Does it ever get old? Like watching somebody's reaction, completely freaking out over what you did to them?

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Never.

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Never.

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That's like asking a comedian if it ever gets old. To hear laughs.

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To hear laughs.

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But let me, let me ask you this, like, and I really credit you with sort of being upfront about it. An honest con man. Right?

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Like, I'm not really conning you because all my content is free.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And then the one thing people said to me is, oh, well, people are going to buy your book every time I tell you my book is not a mentalism book. I don't teach you a single trick. I don't pretend to. If you right now made me switch careers and said, tomorrow you can't do this anymore. I can read minds. You're out of a job, buddy. And I had to find a new career. And I said to myself, how am I going to become very successful at what I'm doing next? What skills will I use? What habits will I immediately implement? That's what this book is. So that in one, two, three years, I will hopefully be at the top of my field at whatever I do. Because my book is not going to teach you to be a mentalist. It's going to teach you all the skills I've developed over 30 years so you can be successful at what you do in life. That's what is a playbook for success.

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Well, you can sell a book. I want to read that book. Oh, yeah, Perlman. Read your mind. Look at this book.

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It's a beautiful.

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It pops. It pops.

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It's a. It's yellow, it's cheerful.

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Proven habits for success from the world's.

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Greatest mentalist, Ben, your silky smooth radio voice. I just close my eyes, I'm sold, and I want you in my ears.

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I'm sold, I'm sold. I'll be in years later. We were talking about that. I'm not going to address this again. Well.

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But here's what I'm dying to know.

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Right?

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Because like you went on Joe Rogan, you guessed his pin code.

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That's right.

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Right.

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No idea that was going to happen.

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Freaked him the hell out.

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You could see that he had no idea.

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But let me ask you this. I would assume billions of dollars are spent by evil forces to hack people's identity, bank accounts, PIN numbers, two step authentication, all these things, right?

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Yes.

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So you can do it?

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Yes.

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The funny part is, why aren't you, employed by the DoD, making a billion dollars a year. Why are you the only one?

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I can't say no. I'm kidding. So here's the truth. Because the truth is, when you dissect this and you get to the bottom, you're like, wait a second. Why are we even here? Let's get to Vegas right now, get you in front of the casino, play poker. Let's get millions of dollars.

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Or the honest way. Like, why are you the only one?

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So I don't know that I'm the only one. There's other people that do what I do, but for lack of a better term, I can explain to you what's allowed me to achieve success at a certain level. And again, I'm not selling this. But, like, you've seen other people over the years do it, but why is it connecting in such a different way? And I think that the superpower I have is that my performances turn the mirror from me, and they turn it around on you. So here's what I mean by that. Brass tacks. When I do stuff for the NFL, those are some of my most viral clips. You don't see me doing, like, a card trick. And even though the card trick could be amazing and you could see a lot of magicians do a great card trick, you're like, that was so cool. How did you do that? But at the end of the. The story, it's about them. Yeah. When I do it, I know that the person watching this is a football fan. And that what do they care about? Well, I care about hitting my parlay. If I'm a sports gambler. I care about the fact that, oh, my God, I know about offense and defense. Who's Joe Burrow going to throw that ball to? That's like the million dollar question. What if you could do anything, I want to know what that team's next play is going to be. Right. How crazy would that be? So now I create my routines based on what the person watching is going to be most interested in. So now, if you're a football fan, but you're not an O's Perlman fan, you're not a mentalist fan. You don't even know what either of those things are, who I am, or what I do. You're captured because you go, oh, my God, I want to know who that guy's gonna throw the ball to. Or if I'm on a cooking show and I come up with a recipe that you thought of that your great aunt used to cook when you were 6 years old that nobody could have known. I tell you her name and what the secret ingredient was, now you're hooked. Now when you tell that story, it's not like, yeah, he guessed, Ginger. It's personal. So what? It's personal. It's emotional. You go, how did he know my granite's name? How did he know that was the secret ingredient? Right? Your story changes. It evolves.

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How did you know? Know I've been stalking a great aunt's name?

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Yeah, but how?

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Like, I. I just. How.

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That's. That's the game, right? How do you figure out it up? We might try something before we're out of here. Come on. I can't just.

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I know.

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It's just ease you so ready, but. But again, I. It's like those people who almost are like, conspiracy theorists, right? And they're like, I know something that others don't know. And I'm like, trust me.

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My mom literally says that she walks down the street. And by the way, she's a big listener of the podcast. Love her dearly. And I do. I think she has some power. She will tell me, oh, that person's sick. She just could feel it. She's like, oh, that person has cancer. I'm like, what gave it away? The fact that they're bald?

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That or alopecia.

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Mom, they walked out of Memorial Sloan Gathering. You're like, mom, that wasn't informative. That was hurtful. She's like, I'm so sorry, miss I fight in a good fight.

[C]

Person's diabetic.

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Jada Pinkett Smith is sick. I'm telling you now. But, like, people like, I think your.

[A]

Mom is an epidemiologist and you didn't know it.

[B]

It's possible, but those people, if they were right, if they really knew, like, not. Not your mom having intuition, but like, those people who are like, governmental conspiracy. I'd be like, you wouldn't have a YouTube channel, babe. You'd be abducted.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Right. Like, you'd be in a fucking van and disappeared. Like, if you really knew, like, there's some famous Banksy quote of, like, you are of an acceptable amount of risk to the people that really control things, which is why you are here now.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Right. So that's. My only pushback is like, if you really had some shit that these people who. I mean, they create supercomputers to break these codes and can't.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You would be disappeared.

[A]

So if you look at. There's a guy named Kevin Mitnick who was a. Do you know who that is? A famous hacker, and they would do social engineering. So the easiest way to break into a safe and you could build the biggest safe, like Ocean's Eleven style with, like, this and this and reinforced steel and. Da, da. Is to not break the safe. It's to break the mind of the person, get the person who has the safe, and get the number from them. Voila. So if you can find the weakest link in a chain, you will then Joshua Peck. So if you can do that, you don't need to do the hard way, but the best illusions are the ones where it makes it look like you went through the safe.

[B]

Makes sense.

[C]

Yes. It's like me running Bert Kreischer's 5K. Everybody thought I finished it.

[A]

I cheated. You cheated? I'm in a tent.

[C]

Oh, I told them. They're like, you finished it in 25 minutes.

[A]

Like, yeah, you beat Jelly Roll.

[C]

No, everybody beat Jelly Roll.

[A]

Oh, he's getting fit, man. I just saw him run with my buddy Cam Haynes.

[C]

No, no, no. In that race, it was Travis Scott. Not Travis Scott. Travis Barker. Yeah, Three minutes.

[A]

Different guy.

[C]

Okay. Three minutes. Jelly Roll, I think, was like three hours. He took his time and he finished.

[B]

He crushed it.

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He finished.

[A]

That's strong.

[C]

And he didn't cheat.

[A]

We don't know that that's true. I need a piss test. You might have some pds.

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[C]

It's bedtime.

[B]

So you've got the great David Goggins giving you a quote for the front of your book. Cam Haynes, you talked about like, are you part, like are you part of that crew of guys who are these incredible inspirational motivational that can speak from experience? Like, how are you friends with all these incredible guys?

[A]

So I'm an ultra marathon runner, so I've run all these races. So like with Goggins, we ran Badwater the same year and Matt.

[B]

So talk about Badwater.

[A]

Bad water is, is, is air quotes. The world's toughest foot race. That's how it's marketed. It is very tough. I've run races that I felt were harder. But here's the, the, here's the TLDR. Badwater is 135 mile run, not stages all at once.

[C]

135.

[A]

So it's effectively five marathons and then some. So it's like five marathons and then.

[C]

What you did and then what I.

[A]

Yeah, and then still more.

[C]

But yeah, by the way thing was 2 miles. They call it a 5K to make it sound.

[B]

It's a fun 3.2.

[A]

So it's 135 miles. It's typically in the second week of July because it is the hottest week of the year in Death Valley. In Death Valley, at one point in time, I think other than a place in Morocco, is the hottest place on earth. So the year that I did it, we start at 10am it was 124 degrees at the start. And then you are running from the lowest location in the contiguous United States, I believe. I think it's continental, which is called Badwater. It's below sea level. And then you're running to the highest point in mainland US To Mount Whitney, almost to the top. Not quite. You can't get a permit. And it's, it's. So it's 135 miles in the hottest day. And you have. The cutoffs are actually not that hard. But I did in 28 hours. And it was. You know, the funny joke they make is that you can fry an egg on the hood of a car and that if you run in the street because it's black, it will. The asphalt will melt your shoes. You run on the white line. You did hours. And I love David, beat him that year though. Sorry, David. But he'll beat me at everything else in life. But I can run fast.

[B]

28 hours, that's like keeping marathon speed the whole time, right?

[A]

It's not quite as much. I slept for 10 minutes, so my, my boys will give me a lot of crap about that during the night. Slept two different five minute things. There's a YouTube video on it. But I typically. I ran the first marathon in a 318. I was in first place in that temperature. And then I slowed down a bit. That was probably not the smartest. But you know what? Go big or go home.

[C]

Ben, you ran the first marathon in how long?

[A]

3 hours and 18 minutes.

[B]

So it's like a 7 minute mile.

[A]

No, it's a little slower. I think it's. It's probably like 7:45.

[C]

Oh, it's just like me. Remember I started running at the beginning of the 5K.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Sprinted. And I lost all my. I lost all my steam.

[A]

So those guys. I know just from the ultramarathon scene, which is kind of a small world I could imagine.

[C]

I could see that 100, 128 degrees. I can't even. 124, 124. I can't even step outside at 100 degrees. I'm not even going outside.

[A]

It feels there's one point where we were going up this mountain, it's called Towns Pass. And you're just 17 miles of just uphill and it's winds of like consistent 40 mile an hour gusts. It felt like you were in an oven, but with a hairdryer pointed at you from close to your face. My, one of my pacers who came with me got heat exhaustion and was in the back of the car with ice and he just went with me for five miles.

[B]

Isn't there one called Moab 2?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And over 200, 240 miles.

[C]

So why do people do this?

[A]

What, what attracts you to this?

[B]

How broken are you?

[A]

Yeah, like what am I running away from you?

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

Who does this?

[A]

So I would describe it. There's definitely. There's got to be a screw loose. There has to be. I think that those people, there's a lot of people who are recovering addicts in this because you've converted one addiction which is unhealthy for one that's maybe just slightly less unhealthy, but won't kill you as quick as heroin or potentially cocaine. So I think that there's, there's shockingly a lot of recovering addicts. There's also just a lot of people who. The gateway drug is you did the marathon, you got the high and now you don't get the same high from the marathon. So now you go to 50 miles, 100 miles, 240 miles. And it's a challenge because you want to see what you are like when you've passed your breaking point and what is your breaking point. And I think that nowadays with everything being so comfortable, I've got Ubereats, I've got Seamless. Where is the struggle? It's kind of like the movie Fight Club. Do you remember? Like what's the struggle for our generation? And so for a lot of people, for lack of a better term, in the first world, this is where you get to test your mettle without the chance of dying when you go to war. Right. There's some elements I would think I'd die.

[C]

I would die.

[A]

You would die.

[B]

I would die quickly.

[C]

Like I would die within the first 50 miles.

[A]

I'd be dead probably like three miles. You would have just passed Bert Kreischer.

[C]

Three miles? Yes. Yeah. By the way, I'm dead at three miles.

[B]

100%, yes.

[C]

What do you mean people don't die?

[A]

Nobody's died at that race because they monitor you very closely. So I think there's medical stations to weigh you to see how dehydrated you are. And if you get an iv. If you get an iv, you're out. There's a lot of rules. You also can't have artificial cooling devices. So what we do is a lot of ice. And then my friends had to constantly sunblock me, which is kind of gross. And Vaseline. Vaseline legs. That's the place I do.

[B]

I do that for walking.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I'm just going to spit shine everything around here.

[B]

Well, it's. And what do your feet look like when you're done?

[A]

Mine weren't that bad because I vaselined my feet like I was at a diddy party. I mean, it was pretty intense.

[C]

Dead.

[B]

Dead toenails.

[A]

I've lost. Oh, man. I don't have. Gross. This is what people want to hear. When I did my. One of my first ultras, I didn't know that when you run downhill, your feet swell and that your feet, when you go really down a strong hill, they hit the front of your shoes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so it will. It will bust your toenails. And I lost nine toenails. The worst part of that story is not the losing of the nine toenails. It's that 24 hours after I was done, I went with my niece and nephew, who at the time were much younger. They're all grown up now. Shout out to Noia and Eli. To the beach. To Disneyland. Yeah. Which is far worse. And I was wearing flip flops because my feet were so gross that I couldn't fit them in shoes without, like, screaming in pain. And it looked as if I had been tortured in, like, you know, a war zone and had all of my feet like, like hit, like Sirianna with George Clooney and everyone. My feet was just decimated. And I had to walk around Disneyland for a day. It was the worst day ever.

[C]

Is that your worst nightmare? Josh hates open toed shoes. It gives him the heebie jeebies. Is your worst nightmare going, and he just lost nine toenails and he's sitting there in his naot.

[A]

You threw up in your mouth is what.

[B]

Those don't upset me as much as, like, someone's got like a three week past due pedicure.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Then nine missing toenails.

[B]

That's fine. I'm like, can you redo the Fiji on your toes, please? Go get a pedicure.

[A]

I like constructive criticism where I'm like, like, you're not going to wear that. Right. I'm like, I was going to. What can I change right now? And I'M the woman in the relationship where I. I have two older sisters, and they were eight years older. So up until I was 10, they were 18. They dressed me. So I never, at that point, like, I always had stylists in the house. Yeah. So the amount of pressure that occurred during teenage years when I no longer had women to dress me was like, I now have to pick clothing for myself.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I thought I knew what matched, but apparently my wife let me know later. You've been doing this all wrong forever.

[C]

Yeah, my wife's pretty direct. I'll walk out and she'll be like, you look like Bozo the Clown.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Like that. Not like you should probably change. Like, okay, Bozo. Right. Okay.

[B]

No, it's what our wives are for, Truly. And your wife is holding down five kids.

[A]

Five young children.

[B]

Beautiful. Wow.

[A]

Under 10, nine, seven, five, two, and seven months.

[C]

Oh, seven months. Seven months. My son go birthday or six months and two weeks.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

May 21st.

[A]

Oh, wow. May 9th. Yeah.

[B]

Nine, seven, five, two, and seven months.

[C]

Stop complaining.

[B]

That's unbelievable.

[C]

Me, stop complaining.

[B]

Yeah. I have six, three, and six months, and I'm like, swim.

[A]

So fun. How fun are these ages right now? Six months, seven months.

[C]

Unbelievable. Yeah. I have heard from multiple people. I would love to know your thoughts on the differences between 3, 4, and 5 for Josh. But I have heard, not just from.

[A]

Josh, that of how many children there are. Like, how. What it feels like.

[C]

No. That three is really, really hard. It is not that different.

[A]

Age. Three or three children.

[C]

Three children.

[A]

Oh, I don't know. I didn't. It really depends what each kid is like. That's, like, more of a factor than anything as to who's like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, if you make a pie chart and if one of your children takes up most of your energy or if it's, like, spread equally, it. It amortizes. Like, once you get from three to four, it's very little change.

[C]

Right.

[A]

It's, like, kind of the same. Four to five has been difficult just because if you have two kids that are both babies, they're up. There's, like, obstacles of logistics of timing of, like, naps and everyone's in diapers. And I think if one grows up a little, but they're much more buddies if they're close in age.

[C]

It's so nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's amazing.

[A]

I would have. No.

[C]

Are they all going to be mentalists?

[A]

I don't think so.

[C]

It's kind of like. Like the Sound of Music.

[A]

That would be so weird. Terrible. Yeah.

[C]

Kind of Sick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A band of mentalists. It'd be like the movie. Now you see me.

[B]

That's your end game. That's your sitcom.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I need some IP Pack.

[B]

Yeah, let's.

[A]

Let's. Let's storyboard it right now.

[C]

What do we call it?

[B]

O's.

[A]

We're all mentalists.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You have five girls.

[A]

No, no. I have two boys, three girls.

[B]

Growing up into magic, into mentalism.

[A]

I got into magic when I was 13. Before that, I had no awareness of magic.

[B]

Grew up in New York.

[A]

I grew up in Michigan.

[B]

Michigan.

[C]

Nice, beautiful lake.

[B]

Well, you got to believe in magic there. Doesn't hurt. Anyway, so. Okay, so you're into magic in the traditional ways, like card tricks, coin tricks. Yeah. Reading and the history. Houdini. Houdini. Who's the J?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who done it?

[C]

Who done it? Yeah.

[B]

Who's the famous car guy?

[A]

Who?

[B]

David J. Ricky J. Right. So, like, these are all your people growing up.

[A]

I knew about all of them. Like, there's things that I liked about each one. I didn't really do a lot of stage illusions, so a lot of people in, like, my era would have been. I was right on the start of David Blaine being huge. Like, as I was a teenage, that was very formative for me. David Copperfield I saw once and was pretty cool, and I loved it. But it's not like I never did illusions where you're, like, on stage, three buttons open, billowing shirt, wind, you know, cut her in half, do this dance. I wasn't. I never. That never was, like, my thing.

[B]

You were all close up.

[A]

I loved close up. That's what I.

[B]

So do you love Blaine?

[A]

Are you guys.

[B]

Do you guys have a relationship?

[A]

I met Blaine once recently.

[B]

What's he think of?

[A]

It's funny. On Howard Stern. We talked about it. There was a little bit of. There was. I don't want to call it beef, but it was a little weird because Blaine had thought that I had taken one of his stories on Joe Rogan when I did my interview and that he thought that I had appropriated a story of his, as if I was faking a story of his. Not even a trick, but a story. So it was a very weird first interaction.

[B]

What kind of story?

[A]

So it's the last chapter of my book. I went to jail for a weekend and not a trick. And then in jail, I did a bunch of card tricks because that's what you do in jail to potentially protect your butthole if you are alone. And so I went to jail. I I don't want to hear the whole story. But it's like a pretty. It's a pretty crazy story. It's one of my best stories. Why it's the end of my book is two stories. One about me and Prince Harry. Amazing, if you want to get. And the other is about me going to jail. And so I met David. He was kind of. He was. You know, he kind of said, like, you know, this my story. And I was like, that's weird. It's my story, too. Like, I. You know, I. I don't. I didn't steal your story. I went to jail with two other friends. Like, there's a mug shot. It's real. And so it was a weird. It was a very. You kind of meet your hero, and I expect it to go very differently. But he was kind of primed to be.

[C]

Sounds like a threatened individual.

[A]

You know, it was very strange. And I was trying to kill with kindness. And I explained, well, did you get arrested on a Friday? He goes, yeah. And I go, well, me too. I go, was there a judge in jail that weekend for you to be arraigned? He goes, no, not till after the weekend. Well, that. That's kind of. That's why we both spent three nights in jail. Like, it sounded like less like I stole and more like not even a coincidence. It's very likely. Do you get drunk on Fridays? Well, I used to get really drunk on Fridays too. This is where. And then in jail, he goes, well, it says you walked up to these black guys and took the cards, and they were playing spades. Like, well, there were black guys in my jail playing spades, too.

[C]

David.

[B]

As you know, black people love gin rummy.

[A]

Liar. And so. And this happened in a crowd.

[C]

Let's play, ma.

[A]

Yeah, so. So it was kind of just like all of these circumstantial facts that. And I even said. And at the end of it, I just said, I go, I don't think you get it. But, like, if I had known this before, every time I tell this story, I think my story's better, because what if your story was the same? What if you and Tom Cruise had the same story and somebody teed it up at a press junk? You'd be like, this is so crazy. Me and Tom Cruise have the same story. I would literally have been saying for years, me and David Blaine have, like, this weird. We have this weird, like, parallel life. We have the same story. And now when I tell the story, I even say David Blaine. I have, like, a crazy same story. So it was, it was very strange that rather than give me the benefit of the doubt, it was much more of, kind of like lightly antagonistic. And so, yes, if I'm Freudian, I would ask myself, why were you threatened? I'm not directly threatening you in all interviews, I've just said I love your work. You were a huge inspiration to me here on my Mount Rushmore. But right now, if you look at where the videos are, who's on tv, what's going on, you can kind of just look at numbers, objective numbers of what's happening now, not years ago, and who is on everything. When it comes to mentalism and magic.

[C]

Beefing with David Blaine, I have a.

[B]

David Blaine story that might support or give extra insight, which is. I'm a massive fan too. Magic nerd.

[A]

I am a massive fan as well. So I just need to front load this that when I was brought over to me playing, I was hyped.

[C]

You were excited.

[A]

I was hyped. And then at the end of it, this was the craziest part. He wouldn't take a photo with me.

[C]

So I'm like, why rubbing me the wrong way. What's yours?

[B]

Well, I think, and to your point, there's no one in the magician community that doesn't give him his flowers.

[A]

My armchair assessment of magic, my assessment of it. And again, not knowing him, but knowing his team really well, he genuinely adores this. Like, imagine if you hit the lottery of life and you get to do what you love all the time.

[C]

We did.

[A]

Yeah, you really did. I did too. And so I am a little different where it's not that I don't love what I do, but if you were to analyze what I do exceptionally well, it's. Mentalism is an offshoot. I am a salesperson. That's it. I'm a salesperson. And if you told me tomorrow that I couldn't do mentalism again, and I don't say this from a cocky perspective, I say that if I started a new business, I think I would be very successful at that business. Because all I figured out is the product I'm currently selling. Yeah. And I've distilled it to its core. I've hyper focused and targeted certain sectors as to who I do it for. And like, it's, it's a business like any other.

[C]

I'm.

[A]

I'm an artist who's also a business person. But I know what I'm selling and a lot of people I think, don't know what they're selling. Yeah. So I sell amazing, memorable moments, but also in mentalism.

[C]

You're selling. You're selling attention.

[A]

We're all selling attention.

[C]

But you're also like, selling me on. Not to. Not that I don't believe what you're doing, but like, the entire thing is. You're, I would assume, mining me for information.

[A]

Sure.

[C]

Right. Constantly.

[A]

But it's. Here's a key difference. And it's like, it's really poignant. I sell memorable moments. And so you, you think that and you're kind of hearing me say it, but you don't realize what that means. The stories we tell after something occurs are more important than what actually happens.

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[A]

Do you want to hear a great story? When I was a restaurant magician, there's an example where I learned this and I didn't understand it, which is the story someone tells afterwards is not a photograph of what occurred. Memory is malleable. Memory can be changed and finessed and massaged. If you know how to do it.

[B]

Not great. Right?

[C]

It depends which direction you go muddy and nuts later. Is somebody retelling me something they saw?

[A]

Right.

[C]

Because it's so butchered. Don't do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or if you know the right way and you become a.

[C]

Unless you're also a salesman and you're incredible at retelling stories. The average person, though, cannot retell a story if their life depended on it.

[A]

Right. But they curate. So your mind edits certain things out. And a very good performer in my craft allows edits to happen in someone's brain. Just great example. Card trick you might have seen. It's called Card on the ceiling.

[B]

Classic.

[A]

Take a deck of cards.

[B]

Good restaurant trick.

[A]

Amazing. Because your calling card stays up there. You pick a card, you sign it. So we know it's the only card, like, in the world. You put it back in the deck. There's all different iterations. I would let somebody shuffle the deck. Then I give them two thick rubber bands. Rubber band it both directions they do that. I take it back. I throw it at the ceiling. Deck hits the ceiling. It falls down. The deck is still rubber banded. Their card is stuck to the ceiling with the face down with the signature. Amazing. Okay. Thousands of magicians do this around the world. That's how it's performed. I, at a restaurant, had the ability to be near you, out of sight, where I could hear you talking about me afterwards. Just around a corner and just kind of hear the debrief after. Like, oh, my God, this is amazing. What do you do? And then another table sits down and they go, what was that guy? He's a magician. You don't know what he just did to me. And they retell the story totally there.

[C]

It's completely different. But just happened.

[A]

But it just happened. But now I noticed this one thing kept happening and I couldn't understand why, which is when they told the story. They go, I picked the cards, right? I signed a card, and next thing I know, my cards on the ceiling. I'm like, wait a second. Why didn't they say that I threw the cards up at the ceiling? Because when you take that line away, that trick is fricking impossible. I signed this card, I rubber band it, and now it's on the ceiling. Hell to get on the ceiling, dude. That's impossible. People kept forgetting at certain points to say that I threw it at the ceiling. So I go, did these people randomly have a brain fart? No. I started to learn, just like in a recipe, add a little more ginger, add a little more garlic, add a little more of this. It tastes different. So I could do little things. And I figured out what it was if I didn't look up when I threw the deck up. And I didn't look up to discover the card. And they did instead, at their own pace. They told the story different. Watch. I take the deck, I throw it at the ceiling. I don't look at the ceiling when it hits. So I give no attention to it. The deck hits, I catch it when it falls, and then I just stare at the person and I wait for them to discover it. Ah. Somehow, some way, their brain clipped like an edit, a jump cut. They edited out the part of me throwing the deck at the ceiling when they retold the story. And in my mind, that has been one of my calling cards forever. Knowing how people tell the story later is more important than what happens in the moment. And so if you can find those ways to shine the spotlight on what you want and to make the stuff you don't want in the dark, the story gets told very differently. It's much more impressive. And the legend continues.

[B]

Now, did you ever execute that trick? Throw it up, you don't look up, and the person like me at the table goes, the garlic bread's here. And you go, look up.

[C]

You fuck. Yeah.

[A]

No, the garlic bread's the best thing by far. Who am I? No. Chop liver.

[B]

So you start out with this love of magic, and then, did it not seem like a feasible career? Is that why you went to being a stockbroker?

[A]

That's not even like in the. It's not even my wheelhouse. It's not even the pantheon. Like when you were. You were a child actor.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Did you have a parallel? Did you know someone else was a child actor?

[C]

I didn't.

[B]

The only thing that changed was I went to performing arts high school in New York. And so, coming from elementary school where I was the only freak. And then going to.

[A]

How did you even know that was possible? How do you see a show on Nickelodeon and have the balls, for lack of a better term, of the confidence, be like, I'm gonna be that kid on that show next time. Like, how. Where does that confidence, your mom, even that idea come from?

[C]

A mom?

[B]

My mom was super helpful. I mean, my thing's different only cause I could, I did one of those rare things that you can do professionally as a kid. Maybe you shouldn't be able to but.

[A]

Sleep at Michael Jackson's ranch.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Ye.

[B]

Michael. I don't want to go in the Peter Pan ride again. But I basically, and I talked about this before, at 9 or 10 years old, I'm doing school plays, but I'm watching Nickelodeon and I'm going, there's clearly a higher level of this. And these amateurs. Little Johnny who's in third grade, who's taking this as seriously as a 10 year old should. I'm like, he's not on his mark, he's not delivering. I need to be with these. I just was like, I want to do this. It's like a kid who wants to play on a travel team. Like, I just want more competition. I want to do this at a higher level. And it happened to be that.

[A]

That's incredible.

[B]

If it was like a conservatory that wasn't professional, I would have done that.

[A]

Yeah. So I didn't have that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But again, I'm not blaming my parents. I'm like, I think there's a narrative of like first generation immigrants who moved here and I moved here when I was three. There's like this mentality of the American dream. You go to school, you get a job, you work your way up in your job. Right. There's like this playbook of this is how to achieve this dream.

[C]

We're supposed to be doctors, right?

[A]

Right. So I, you know, mentalist is a good hobby for a lawyer, like our doctor. Like there's, there's that level where I didn't know what I wanted to do. So I didn't have that. I didn't have that like forethought of this could be a path in life because you have to meet someone who's done it or you have to have that level of like jumping steps of seeing the person on TV and saying, I could be that person. I never even had that thought. Literally that thought didn't occur to me, which I know sounds silly, but I think for a lot of people you hold yourself down in life in a certain way. Because you say that person's special, but why not you? That's a question. As my career advanced and I've seen someone like a David Blaine who for years I just thought is untouchable. And I said, but he did it, so why not me? Why not me? And I think that's the way most people should start thinking about their life rather than, that can't be me. Because if you think that can't be me, you don't start doing the steps that will get you to who you want to be. You should always think, why not me?

[C]

I completely agree. I think the thing that's missing is not everybody can sell.

[A]

Right. You've.

[C]

You pinpointed that one thing that makes you an incredible businessman mentalist. Everything. Your ability to change the minds of people and have them do something in your favor, which is 100% applicable to everything. You can sell like crazy. When you go to an audition, you are essentially selling yourself to the casting director. When I'm raising money for a business, I'm selling that. Or when I'm. Whatever it may be. The absolute key is the ability to sell. Anyone who can sell can be as successful as their mind will let them. But there are a lot of people that cannot sell. And unfortunately, those people also lack so much self awareness. And the combination of not being able to sell and having no self awareness leave you trapped.

[A]

Big time.

[C]

Yeah, trapped.

[B]

So we have about 20 minutes left. Here's a thought.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I feel like you got like one.

[A]

Or two things up your sleeve.

[B]

Can we maybe do.

[C]

What would you have done if. Like a parrot. Oh, my God.

[B]

I mean, so.

[A]

So when we. When we walked in, right. We walked in and I told you, and I said, this has to be utterly random. I didn't. You didn't pick this. You didn't. Ben doesn't know. Right. You didn't write anything down. I said to imagine that sitting around this table. Right.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Are other people from your life. Right. And they could be positioned here or here. Like here. And I said, imagine. There's no. This wasn't something that was ever done out loud, but just kind of. You picked. And I even said, don't pick one person until we actually get in the moment. So in this moment, I want you to see whoever you're seeing in their faces at this table. And I want you to close your eyes. And right when I snap my fingers, you pick one person and you imagine, open your eyes and you look at them. Right now can you see that person?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is there any way in the world I could have known who you would have picked?

[B]

No.

[A]

Much less who the other people would have been?

[C]

Nope.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think it's a guy. Is it a guy? It's a guy. If it was a female, he's in trouble.

[C]

It makes sense. He's incred. He's incredibly gay. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love men. You know what?

[A]

He's very into pedicures. Which I'm not saying is gay to her, but. But, like, I've never even looked at my wife's toes, so that's something.

[B]

Try it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

By the way, you win. Hello? I like that you just knew it was the guy. The great Ozone Everyone.

[A]

We now know his search history has foot fetishes all over it. Am I right?

[B]

By the way, Oz was asked to look at my phone earlier, and I was like, I did not clear my search history. I hope he doesn't Google anything.

[C]

Perlman nude. Yeah.

[B]

If he put Perlman in, it would.

[A]

Have been filtered feet. Yeah. Pee instead of porn. So what do we do? What do we do? What do we do? Okay. Think of this person's first name.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Count the number of letters in the first name to yourself.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That was very quick, Ben. That was a very quick. Do you see? It was a very quick count. That was too quick. It was. Yes, of course. Too quick. If you're doing like Mitchell, I find that the longer names are a struggle.

[C]

For sure.

[A]

Five letters. It. Five letters. Yep. It is. Whoa. Yeah. It's impossible, right? You thought of all different people. You picked one in your mind. There's no way we didn't tell. Snap my finger. Couldn't have known. Okay, here's what you do. I know where my dad is. That's beyond my powers.

[B]

Trick question.

[A]

He's dead. Yes. I talk to the dead. Where are you? Where are you? I talk to the dead. They just don't talk back. I'm like Abraham Lincoln. Where are you? Think of the name. Think of any letter in the first name. You have it. Go from the first letter, keep going all the way until you get to the last letter. Back and forth, back and forth. See if we get similar reactions. So when I get similar reactions, here's what I describe it as. When I said Mitchell. Mitchell. Typically, double L at the end. The double letters make it hard to count the person you're thinking of. Is there a repeat of a letter in their name?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. Because here's what I mean by that. Sounds similar. Torn. Torn.

[C]

That mark of smell could make me pass.

[A]

I Think I got it. Feel like I just huffed something. You're thinking of this person's first name. Is that correct? There's a level of familiarity. Can I show you this? Ben, take a look. Take a look. When I said to think of a letter, did you think of a letter or not really?

[B]

Uh, yes.

[A]

You didn't do the first letter, did you? No. M. You think of an M?

[B]

No.

[A]

Is there an M in the name? No. This could be. I wonder if this is somebody you thought of and you changed. There was someone else you thought of, but you thought they were. This was like the person at the top and you're seeing them. Oh, my God. You thought of one person sitting at this table that's kind of famous. Am I right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, my God. I just got that. One of the people you were trying to flex on me. Someone famous. Look at that. Look at the top one. You see it?

[C]

I see it.

[A]

I don't know if this one's right, because maybe you thought of two different people here, but the other one sitting here. Were you considering somebody named Damon?

[B]

What?

[A]

Is that right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that right? But you change from Damon, and then you pick this other guy, but you don't talk to him in forever. And who is the famous person that you thought of at this table? Tell us all. Who is it?

[B]

Chris.

[A]

Chris who? Chris Angel. Chris Angel.

[C]

Wow. Wow.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

What? No, I don't. I. I don't even. The fact that he's asking you so that he can read your mind or mannerisms about Criss angel and then just stunts on you with Damon. Wow. So how did you do Damon?

[A]

I'm gonna go up to the camera right now. Just go mind freak and put my.

[C]

Hand to the front, saying everything that I thought that I knew about you and your craft, reading people, looking, whatever is in Criss Angel. How did we get Damon? I'll never tell.

[A]

And just for the record, Josh is flexing right now just to let me know that he works out, by the way. Wow.

[C]

That's just a personality trait.

[B]

It's unbelievable.

[C]

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[A]

Are we doing one more or interviewing and then leaving the cherry on top?

[C]

Like, that's crazy. Like, are you okay?

[B]

No?

[C]

Okay, good. Yeah.

[B]

What? Wow, that's unreal, man. Because you had me going all over town.

[A]

Done. Up, down, up.

[B]

I'm Thinking Mitchell.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm like, this guy doesn't know Mitchell.

[C]

Sam. No. You completely tricked me. I was like, there's no m. He fucked up. And. No, he was just setting us up for the double fucking whammy.

[B]

You had it.

[C]

He didn't have.

[B]

You had it from Jump Street. And you added some razzle dazzle.

[A]

No, not always. There's some jazz along the way, but he was easy. I like you. You could read me. I can't. I can't read.

[C]

You know already.

[A]

I can't read people's minds if they don't even know what they're thinking.

[C]

You know already.

[A]

Yes. No, I don't know anything.

[C]

Yeah, by the way, you got me. I don't know what I'm gonna say next.

[A]

You know, what are we. Are we going. Are we keeping this going?

[B]

No, no, let's. Okay, we're gonna do our last. We're gonna. It's gonna be the cherry on top to.

[A]

What color under am I wearing?

[B]

Keep tuning in. Yeah, You're a Calvin Klein man.

[A]

Not true.

[B]

Skims.

[C]

Skims.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You love K me undies. You guys getting the plug? After, like, 47 podcasts, I finally took the plunge and I bought it. I know. Sorry.

[B]

What do you think of Chris Angel? You like him?

[A]

I don't know him personally.

[B]

He's a friend of the pot.

[A]

But I'm. I, I, I. I don't know him personally. I know his manager, Dave. Great guy. I was a fan for many years and still am a fan, but I would describe it as I was initially more of a Blaine guy as I was coming up, because I just knew Blaine earlier than I knew Criss angel, if that makes sense. But angel, each one changed the game in their own way. Does that make sense?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Chris is fearless. I love the fact that he's fearless. There's nobody like him. Fearless. He would do stuff where I know the inside scoop that was death defying, where everyone's like, chris, you probably shouldn't do this. You could probably die right now. And he's like, I don't care.

[B]

And you're like, what are easy? And maybe you talk about it in the book. What are easy things that you pick up on that are part of your toolkit that people are missing out on in their everyday life? Not taking advantage of that. You're like, oh, if you only knew these two or three things, you could pick it up.

[A]

Perfect. Like, what are so. A lot of the things that I will teach you are very easy on the surface. They are just above Common sense. But if you apply them constantly, you will get, like, stacked up, wins that will, over time grow. So I want the key things I want. I want something that I can do in 10 minutes. Like, that's it. 10 minutes from now, I'm doing it, and I will still do it ten years from now. So a couple of those that are in here and that I like to teach, one of them is I take notes about everything, which sounds so silly, and who cares, right? But nowadays, where there's AI and there's all these other things, I will remember everything when I meet you. Because I'll have written it down right after I meet you, I write it down, put in your notes, in your phone, put it wherever you want. But I will then meet people. And you're in a profession where you meet people often and you might see somebody again in a month, in a year, in two years, but you have a coupon in your hand that never expires. It gets more valuable. Or if somebody told me, you know, oh, my God, kids born May 21, I'm not a stalker, that's not a mentalist, but I'll remember that. And it's so funny where if later on I find out something that was important to you. Like, my kid played lacrosse and they were in state championship, and I see you two years later, I'm like, is your son still in lacrosse championship? I know he's won it two years ago. Like, wow, you made me feel seen, heard, and remembered in a way that even today, with day and age of AI and auto emails, the human touch goes so far. And I can't tell you how many times I've done a show where at the show, I read my briefing and I know who was there and who I met through who and who's going to be there. And I just literally. It's not even a trick. It's not a magic trick. It's not even cheating. I just took the time to remember things about people, and I met someone there. And literally I meet them and tell them something they told me a year ago, and they go, dude, you're the craziest. How do you even know that? How do you remember that? I go, you told me. But they feel, in a way like they're important to me. And they are. And that's a superpower for sure. Never forgetting someone's name. Something I did in my TED Talk, it's something I do in the book, is if you're at an event and you meet someone and two seconds later you forget Their name. So awkward. It's the worst feeling in the world. And now you can't have a real meaningful conversation with them because the whole time you're just worried about, oh, my God, what was their name? You're just, like, hung up on it. It's like having your fly down. You're like, do they see my fly?

[C]

So you write their name.

[A]

No, I don't write their name. That's weird to meet you be like Joshua Peck.

[C]

No, I totally agree, But I think that for a lot of people, myself included, I will meet somebody at an event, and I've met so many people, and for whatever reason, my brain. It's not intentional. My brain won't clock what your name was.

[A]

So here's what that is. Here's this trick. The trick for it, it's. I repurposed a shampoo bottle. The instruction on a shampoo bottle are lather, rinse, repeat. Everybody knows that, right? Lather, make your house smell good. Rinse. You don't really need to repeat, but we got to sell more Pantene Pro V. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So lather, rinse, repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat. I repurpose that. I call it listen. Repeat, reply. So listen is where you're going wrong when you meet people. Try this again. When you meet someone, you realize you forgot their name. You didn't forget their name. You never knew it. You literally never knew it in the first place. It's not a memory deficiency. It's that when they said it to you, you were thinking of something else. So when they said it to you, it's the exact same thing as if I handed you an Etch A Sketch right now. You just shook it really furiously. It's gone. It's just gone. So right when they say the name, this is the only thing you have to practice, is when you. When you hear their name, don't think of what you're about to say back to them. Don't think of anything for that two seconds. When they go to their name, like, hear their name, and immediately repeat, listen, repeat. You repeat their name back to them twice. So in that moment, they go, let's.

[B]

Do a role play. Let's do a role play.

[A]

You're in character. Table read. Okay.

[B]

You're remembering. You want to remember my name. Hi, Mr. Stauffer. So nice to meet you. I'm Josh. Josh.

[C]

Josh. It's nice to meet you, too.

[A]

So you nailed it. But try to be less of a psycho. That sucked. Less serial killer. More caring. Yeah.

[C]

That's right, Josh.

[A]

So I would do. So here's what we do.

[C]

Where's the double? How do you do without being weird?

[A]

So the best way is that you just say. You just say, hey, Josh, great to meet you, Josh. And so you tag it true double.

[C]

Josh. Josh.

[B]

Josh.

[A]

Josh.

[B]

Josh.

[A]

Josh. Josh. Hey, Josh. Josh. So now reply is the next one. Listen, repeat reply. So the repetition comes quickly where if you go, I would. I would. In that case say, hey, Josh, is that short for Joshua? And I go. And then you go, great to meet you, Josh. And so right there, you can do a couple different things. The reply cements it the best visual indicators. If you're at the beach right now and I give you a twig and I tell you, write my name in the sand. If you only wrote it really quick, once the first wave, it's gone, it washes away. But if you could take that tree, dig it deeper, and do it three times, it would take many more waves before it would wash away. There'd be a trace. So when you say it back to them, I would literally, in this case say, josh is that short for Joshua? And I go, I love that, Josh, Great to meet you. So I've just said that, and I've done, I've done, I've done. Is it short for something? Right? Or how do you spell it? So if you meet somebody, you can always say if it's a name that can be spelled differently or you can comment on something physical, a compliment. So as soon as I say that, I go, josh, I love that color shirt, man. That's a great shirt, Josh. So now he becomes Josh with the shirt. So when you leave him and you see the guy again, you'll see the shirt and be like, oh, my. Oh, it's Josh with the shirt.

[C]

Josh with the shirt.

[A]

So either a compliment, a comment on spelling, or practicality of the name, or connect them with somebody you know. So if I met you and I go, oh, my God, Ben. Is that short for Benjamin? I go, it's so funny. My neighbor just named their kid Benjamin, like three months ago. You don't hear that name as often. Ben, Benjamin. Ben. I now know your name. It's like, really? So you just try this, try this, practice this three times in the next week.

[C]

I like it.

[A]

And remember, listen, repeat reply, do it again. But Ben, be less creepy, if a little less. Yes, it's hard.

[C]

It's hard. Again.

[A]

Yeah, okay, but this time be Vishnu. Do I don't.

[C]

Don't be Josh.

[B]

Right?

[C]

You also have to Give a shit about the person you're meeting.

[A]

That's. I can't do that for you. Okay, that's.

[B]

Okay. Let's try. Let's try.

[A]

So Ben's like, how do I get a book?

[C]

So I'm automatically. I care about you.

[B]

Okay. Gotta be a stretch.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Hi, Mr. Suffer. I'm Diane.

[C]

Hi, Diane. Is that short for Dianica? It's great to meet you, Diane.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Good.

[A]

Nailed it.

[B]

Final seg. What are you nuts? It's our gripes with people, places and things both big and small. But don't forget, people. Stay tuned, because at the end, you.

[C]

Gotta stay to the end. My mind's getting blown.

[B]

We're doing the big final trick. Hoes. It's our gripes with people, places and things both big and small. Whatever's sticking in your craw.

[A]

Which one of you do I hate more? Is that what you're about to. No, I'm kidding. Love you equally.

[B]

We'll go first. Take your time to think about it. Ben, what do you got?

[C]

Okay. I teased it earlier. Love my parents to death.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

They're the best.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Literally unbelievable. People watch the podcasts. They get a kick whenever I talk about them. They called me last night. They went to a comedy show and they called me and they said, ben, you will never believe it. This joke, it was unbelievable. And before they even started telling me the joke, I'm like, what are you, nuts? Please do not try to repeat this person's comedy. Said to me, you are not going to explain it properly. I'm not gonna laugh. It's not because it wasn't funny. It's because part of comedy is being there and seeing it. Which is why when you said that people repeat the.

[A]

Your story.

[C]

Your story, that it just doesn't. I'm saying it doesn't hit the same. You cannot repeat a comedy set. It's absolutely impossible. Especially if you're my parents. We get nuts. No, no. Can't happen.

[B]

Benjamin.

[C]

There's literally. He said. He called. He said there was a gay Asian woman. She called herself a geisha. And I was like. I didn't have.

[B]

They go for. They're like. So then Dave Chappelle said, the problem. Problem with these whites. No, my Woody Nuts moment of the week is, I'm thinking about your dad right now. And I completely lost it. Oh. So my wonderful wife Paige, she. It was her birthday the other day. My wife's vegan. So my boys and I, we traveled to this great vegan bakery. Well, they have vegan baked Goods and regular to get a lovely cake. It's not always easy to get delicious vegan baked goods. I want to put in the effort. Let her have a delicious cake. Say to the woman behind, where do you live? I live in la, and there's no.

[A]

Vegan products in la. If you were in Mississippi, it'd be a different story. What? Are you kidding?

[B]

There's plenty. But vegan whole birthday cakes are a little bit of an out. There's good, you know, vegan pastries. You want a full.

[A]

Am I sensing the good guy's next business venture right here?

[C]

Vegan cakes. No. No. Unless you're our head sales rep. No.

[A]

Yeah, That'll be your last sales job. Ben's like, we're going to put some butter in that thing. You know what I'm saying? There's going to be some animal products. You know, Chloe's in New York City. That place is exceptional. You've been there.

[B]

Vegan.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, that was. What's it called? Wasn't it?

[A]

Something else so good in the village, Something beets.

[C]

Didn't it turn into a beet?

[A]

No, it's so good. I ate there the other day. Okay, so it's still so good.

[B]

You kosher?

[A]

No.

[C]

Just vegan.

[A]

No. I went. My friend was vegan who went to eat there, so I had to find him a vegan restaurant. It's amazing. Just hooked you up for Paige. You're welcome.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Yeah. Chloe's.

[B]

Chloe's.

[A]

Google.

[B]

So I go to take. So I go to buy the cake, and there's three or maybe four different vegan cakes or something.

[C]

There were four.

[A]

I can read your mind.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

All right.

[B]

There's vanilla, strawberry, chocolate, or red velvet. Just say to the woman, fourth one.

[A]

Is called guilty conscience.

[B]

Yes. I'm not going to mention the fourth one. I said to the woman behind the counter, I go, which one would you suggest? What's sort of the most popular of your flavors? She goes, if they're in the case, they're popular.

[A]

Oh, I got the tude. Who needed the tude?

[B]

Babe, pick. Okay, I don't need. If they're in the case, they're popular.

[A]

Right.

[C]

That's tough, right? What are you nuts? I was just giving some kind of service.

[A]

There's a rough situation there where if you're at a restaurant and then you ask the waiter or waitress what's your favorite? And then they pick something that you'll never eat. So then you just. And then you say anything else, and they say two things in a row, and and then you decide to pick none of those. So you've kind of annoyed them and also said, I don't trust you as a human being with anything, even though this is where you work. That, to me, is. I've gone backwards on that now because I want to know what they like, and I want them to tell me. But I'm hoping that what they tell me aligns with my Venn diagram. Overlap of things that have no deal breakers. Like, if there's beets, I'm not eating it.

[C]

The superpower of a waitress is telling you that something on the menu tastes like ass.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That is the superpower.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The second that she goes, you gave her a couple. You're like. I'm thinking between the bass and this. Oh, no, the spare ribs.

[A]

Old.

[C]

The second she says that, you're like, oh, I trust everything you're about to tell me.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

She completely took the veil off.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Not old ribs.

[A]

Or do you trust them if they just go with the most expensive menu on the item? And you're like, oh, you're doing a tip play here.

[C]

Yeah. No, then I'll never. That I'll never trust.

[A]

She's like, get the tomahawk for two. But just for you, it'll be good.

[B]

Take the veil off. Our new Saudi Arabian reality show.

[A]

So wait, is it my turn? For what? Are you nuts?

[B]

Yeah, that's my woody nuts. Yeah.

[A]

This feels like a Sebastian Maniscalco moment right here. I'm a good buddy. It's like, it ain't right. What is mine from this previous week? Something that drives me insane. Is that correct?

[C]

Yeah. You're traveling.

[B]

Anything big street.

[C]

You come here and there's a woman Barefoot. It's 29 degrees.

[A]

Yeah. The barefoot doesn't. Yeah, that's an interesting one. You know what?

[C]

You run pecans in 125 mile.

[A]

Just. I can't stand when people are impolite. It's just. It's just like, so It's. It's a. The waving in the car. I have allowed you in, and this is just a character deficiency you have. I've let you in. I give you the slight wave. You look at me and do not wave back after I've let you in. What are you, nuts?

[C]

What are you nuts?

[B]

So true. All right, give us your final. This is. You've kind of prepared us before, but this is. This is the big trick.

[A]

So when you turn the mirror around, make this impossible. I ask Joshua a question. I say, who's sitting at this table? In your mind, I've established the tone, but if I instead say to you, you get to come up with the question. You get to ask me the question. And I want to make sure that right now, if I say to you big. I want you to write this big. I don't want this on something small. I want it big. If I tell you write down question that I could not possibly know the answer to. If you write this down right now, in this moment, and you show it to Josh the question, do you think he will know the answer?

[C]

No.

[A]

Oh, he won't know the answer?

[C]

No.

[A]

He will not know the answer?

[C]

No.

[A]

So, okay. Because if I sometimes I'll say, like I asked you earlier, I said, like, if I asked you to think of your first crush when I walked in, I said, if you think your first crush. If you were mentioned on air, he's like, yeah, I mentioned. I mentioned. So I'm like, I can't do that. So we switched. I said, I'm not doing something that somebody will say. I just chat GPT you. So if you ask me this question out loud, do you think I could just guess it or Unlikely.

[C]

I think you could guess it.

[A]

So it's probably not who's my first crush? Because how could I guess that? So maybe this is more of like, what's my favorite or what's something. Right. It'll be something about him that maybe you could narrow down. How about this? Write the question. And you've never written this question down anywhere. Is that correct?

[C]

Correct.

[A]

No chance this question exists only in your brain?

[C]

Only in my brain.

[B]

Whispered it.

[A]

You haven't. You haven't typed it in your phone. You haven't done anything. All the skeptics go, there's no this question's nowhere. You came up with it.

[C]

Bam. Question's nowhere.

[A]

Okay, write down the question and show it only to Mr. Peck.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Ready? Make sure I'm not peeking. And I can't see anything. Just write the question. No answer. Do you want to use a different one? Use your own pen.

[C]

I'm just going to try. I don't even know if I can write with this.

[A]

It's very big. That's what she said. Never to me. Is this hidden right now? So I can't see it. Get a different marker. Might be too big. I use it. Just write really big stuff.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Write in a book. Okay.

[C]

Got it?

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Put it face down on the table. Do you think you know the answer?

[B]

No.

[A]

You don't know the answer? No. All right. Ready?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I Don't know.

[A]

I want you to ask me the question one word at a time. So it'd be like. Like if I said, who is sitting at. And then you'd stop me right there. Like, that would have been the question. Who is sitting at this table in your mind? Imaginary. That's how I would ask this question to you early. That's what I asked you to make up.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So I want you to slowly, one word at a time, ask me the question. Don't rattle fast because I want to see if I can try to pick it up as we go. So slowly, ask me the question one word at a time that you wrote down. Do you need to fact check it?

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay, one word at a time.

[C]

What's my next word? Favorite?

[A]

Stop right there. You don't think you know it? What do people say? They said, he did research on you. He did research on you before he got here. This guy's content, 95% food. I've seen his Instagram. Look how he just smiled. Look how he got nervous. Look at how he said to himself, why'd I do that?

[C]

Pick something else, loser.

[A]

So you know what?

[B]

You know what?

[A]

Instead of the truth, this is where I make it fun. You lie to me. So instead I tell you to make up, I would tell you tell me the answer, you tell me the question, you tell me the answer, and I guess the answer. But what if you lied? Right. The lie. What if instead of telling the truth, you lie? Nobody could know if you lied, because even if I researched you a million times over, there's only one truthful answer. There's a million ways you could have just lied. Are we in agreement?

[C]

Yes, we're in agreement.

[A]

We're in agreement.

[C]

We're in agreement.

[A]

Take the piece of paper off the thing. I now that he smiled and got so weird. We knew and he hit himself in the face. Loser. I know it's something to do with food. So I don't even care about the question.

[C]

I would like to know it anyways.

[A]

Okay. Or maybe is there something written still? Or maybe just give me one sheet of paper.

[C]

Or maybe I was tricking you.

[A]

No.

[C]

Maybe I.

[A]

Out.

[C]

Mentalist. The mentalist.

[A]

Ready?

[B]

Think of a number between 1 and 100.

[A]

Think of the lie. Think of how you would have lied to me. Think of how you would have. If you would have asked me the question and I said, what's the answer? And you would have said, uh. And you would have lied like that. The, uh. The, uh. Is the best thing in my videos because it Shows you didn't know what you were going to do. Do you understand? It shows. It shows. There's no staging or setup because you. It's. It's very hard to act surprised. You know, as an actor, acting surprise is actually one of the most difficult things to do. It's kind of like acting drunk. You can fake it, but people can see the difference. Do you agree or no? Yeah.

[B]

What are you asking me about acting? I'm no actor.

[C]

No, yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, I agree. I totally agree.

[A]

Close your eyes.

[C]

Can you get your finger off my junk?

[A]

It's two words, isn't it? The lie is two words.

[C]

It's two words.

[A]

I think the truth is two words. You wanted to make them sound similar. I like that you did that. Think of the second word. Think of the second word.

[C]

That's not cool.

[A]

Think of the second word. Think of the first letter. Of the second one. Think of the first letter. Second words of the lie. Of the lie. The lie. And. Oh, we did it. Like, it's. It's not an S, is it?

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay. Okay, Quick, Josh, look. Look at what? He's gonna lie to me. Look at who's gonna lie to me. Look at what? He's gonna lie to me. Okay.

[B]

I already know.

[A]

You got it, right? I can't change. Open your eyes. Open your eyes. I can't change what I wrote down. What was the question? What was the question you were gonna ask me? Say, what's the question?

[C]

Say the question.

[A]

What's my favorite. Say it.

[C]

What's my favorite vegetable?

[A]

Okay. Okay. What's the lie? You just lied to me. Were you gonna lie to my face? You're a liar. Tell me what you're gonna lie and say. Right there. What was it?

[C]

Banana peppers.

[A]

Banana peppers. Wow.

[B]

Wow, dude.

[C]

How. How, How?

[A]

And the truth was just slightly crunchy, not too soft. Brussels sprouts was the truth, wasn't it? That's.

[C]

That's so unbelievably scary. This. This is much scarier. Because I thought. I thought I was tricking him.

[B]

That is so. You coded.

[C]

I thought I was tricking him.

[A]

And you. Maybe it's because we talked about the COVID being such a bright, beautiful yellow that I have inception to you.

[C]

All I know is that is really. Wow.

[A]

Tonight, under your pillow, when you go to sleep. Reach under. There will be a banana pepper. There. Good.

[C]

And a stack of cash.

[A]

And you'll be scared forever.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

How good are banana peppers?

[A]

Not my favorite.

[C]

What? You're not eating them, right?

[A]

Really?

[C]

What do you mean? You don't like them?

[A]

I didn't say. I didn't say I don't like them.

[B]

Let's end it on that awkward note. You guys just said yes so much.

[A]

Like, what do you mean?

[C]

Why didn't you just wait?

[A]

But these aren't your favorite either. You lied. I did.

[C]

But they're great.

[A]

They are. They are good.

[C]

They're.

[A]

You lied.

[C]

Give me the book. The great Oz Perlman reads your mind Proven habits for success from the world's greatest mentalist.

[A]

And if you want to find you.

[C]

Where can we get this?

[A]

So much time. Just go on Instagram or TikTok or YouTube or Facebook or anything and put in At Oz. Looks like Oz, folks. I know it looks like Oz, but it's Oz. It's Oz. Yeah, it's. It's a weird, you know, unusual name. I didn't make it up. At Oz the mentalist. It's At Oz the mentalist. Looks like At Oz the mentalist, but go there. I know you follow me. He's just. Watch all my videos. I see him. He's. He's just. He's just. Every single time goes, I see Joshua.

[C]

Peck go, what the f. Yeah.

[A]

Until now. And he finally experienced it. You and Criss Angel.

[C]

That's in banana peppers. How. Yeah, how?

[B]

Criss angel loves banana peppers. Oh, it's not for him.

[C]

Does Criss angel like banana peppers?

[A]

Well known fact. Well known.

[C]

Okay, okay. All right. Well, Oz Perlman. Read your mind. This has been. I mean, thank you.

[A]

Thank you very much, gentlemen.

[C]

It was absolutely fantastic.

[A]

I know what to get you.

[C]

Banana pepper sprouts.

[A]

Brussels sprouts. Brussels sprouts.

[C]

This episode's five stars. Otherwise. What are you, nuts? Listen to us. Wherever you get your podcasts, watch us on YouTube, share our clips on Instagram and TikTok Mondays and Thursdays, folks. We will see you next time.

[D]

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