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Josh
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Ben
And if you don't give us five stars.
Josh
What are you nuts?
Ben
What are you nuts? Yeah. We're the good guys.
Josh
They're not the great guys. We're just the good of the good guys. Benjamin, how the hell are you?
Ben
Oh, I am wonderful. How are you, sir?
Josh
Better now.
Ben
I went to the event of our dreams last night. I'm sorry that you weren't there, because this was just. Josh Hellman's rented out Katz's Deli. They shut it down.
Josh
Wow.
Ben
I go into Katz's. Okay, first of all, unlimited pastrami sandwiches.
Josh
Whoa.
Ben
Completely unlimited. Unlimited pigs in a blanket. It was just. It was unbelievable. Ok. All of a sudden, as if this night couldn't get any better. First of all, let me paint the picture. We're in there, small group, unlimited pastrami, unlimited ruglach, unlimited diet, Dr. Brown's, all the stuff. OK, what would be. They're playing Blink 182. Oh, my God, they're playing Blink 182. Josh. Unbelievable. And this. All of a sudden, I get tapped on the shoulder. I'm like, yes. He's like, I own Katz's Deli. It's lovely to meet you. I meet the owner of Katz's, Josh. Not only is he a fan, we could go there if we want to. First of all, we can get a reserve table. Okay. Second of all, if we want to do. I know we're thinking about doing our theme song music video in la, but we could do it at Cats'wow.
Josh
Unreal.
Ben
And then the last thing that I wanted to tell you about this evening is that he told me that they do. It could be in private information, but I'll share it anyways. Upwards of 2000 orders a week just in the mail.
Josh
Oh, I believe that all day. I've received it. My friend, David Manheim, Dave Manheim from the Great Dopey Podcast is. I think they're the head of all that for them. And he's. He's shooting out packages left and right.
Ben
This. This is a five generation business.
Josh
Josh Vazemeir.
Ben
How unbelievable is that? Five gens.
Josh
Send a salami to your boy in the army.
Ben
I'm going to get him to send you some stuff. This is quite the operation. Unbelievable. And yeah, Hellman's. Wow, Hellman.
Josh
And you're a Helman. You're Not a best Foods man. You've been a Hellman's king since Jump street, right?
Ben
I've been Hellman's since I made Russian dressing when I was 12.
Josh
Wow.
Ben
Hellman. Hellman's has always been my brand of choice.
Josh
Now you tell me when you're eating said sandwich. Are you only doing Russian dressing or are you considering a nice spicy deli mustard?
Ben
I'm really, really a big Russian guy, but I do love a deli mustard with a little bit of mayonnaise. I don't love the just straight mustard. I need some. I need a bit of cream. I need a bit of that cream filling. Spicy deli mustard is very good, but I don't.
Josh
Don't talk like that.
Ben
Need a little bit of cream. And.
Josh
You gave me, like, the shivers.
Ben
Whoa.
Josh
Oh, my God. I know Jasmine's gonna use this for the first 30 seconds.
Ben
I want to kill myself.
Josh
Shout out, Jasmine. Me first. Okay. Give me your. Can I start my perfect deli order?
Ben
Yes.
Josh
Sit down. For the table. For the table. We're doing an order of latkes, potato pancakes for the table. I'm talking sour cream. I'm talking applesauce. You know, just bites, bites, bites, bites, bites, bites. Then everyone's. Everyone's getting soup. You're not a soup person. You're getting soup. You're either getting a mushroom barley, you're getting a matzo ball, you're getting a crep lock, or you're getting something in the noodle, the chicken noodle family.
Ben
Okay, you know how good is mushroom barley?
Josh
Josh, you said it best. You said, it's the king of soups.
Ben
It's the king of soups.
Josh
It is.
Ben
It's the king of soups. Continue. Because this is fantastic. You must have soup because you must be sweating before the pastrami comes 100%.
Josh
You get a plate of pickles. What do. How do we do them? Ben, you say it best.
Ben
How do we want to do hundreds percent sour, one hundred half sours. Take your half sours and shove them up your keister.
Josh
Keister. Then with the main dishes, we're getting an assortment, right? Because what I want to. What I want to happen is you get turkey, you get corned beef, you get pastrami, you get brisket, and we all go, I'll take a little bit of yours. I'll take a pull of yours. I want to bite a brisket. I want to bite a corned beef. Right. Russian dressing. Overflowing. Russian dressing in squirt bottles, right?
Ben
Yes.
Josh
So it's Just like. Okay. And then for the table, thick steak fries, extra, extra crispy. Come on. What are we talking about?
Ben
Unbelievable. I forgot to mention that they had unlimited thick steak fries last night. So this, Josh, was. It was unbelievable. And you don't realize how big Katz's Deli is until you see it with all of the tables cleared out. It is enormous. It is enormous. The owner said he had his bar mitzvah there. The guy's name is Jake. There's a sign that says Jake's Bar Mitzvah. They threw his bar mitzvah there. I have another one for you, Josh. I don't know what it would cost. Our first Live Good guys were doing it at Katz's.
Josh
That'd be awesome.
Ben
That would be fucking sick. I would get fucking sick. The amount of pastrami. The Ozempic forced me to only have half a. I ate half a sandwich last night, Josh.
Josh
Oh, my God, Ed.
Ben
I know, I know.
Josh
This is.
Ben
But I had two pieces of raglah. Not Raglah. I had two pieces of thinly sliced babka.
Josh
Wow. This is the most Jewish centric podcast on earth. So good, this conversation. Can you enjoy this podcast without being Jewish? I'm not sure.
Ben
I think so. Katz's is beloved. Look, you need to. Here's the thing. If you're not Jewish, you just need to get with the program. Okay. Get with the cultural references. Yes. Okay. Do your research. We're welcoming. We're not going to change who we are.
Josh
We might change the weather, but not ourselves.
Ben
No, we're gluttonous. We're going to get out.
Josh
Oh, my gosh. Well, that sounds like a perfect New York night.
Ben
It was. It was. So that's all. I just wanted to share that with you. So what's on the docket, Josh, for this week? What do we have to look forward to? How's Los Angeles treating you?
Josh
It's pretty amazing. I'm getting ready because my son has ski week, which is a week off from school in February. So we're going to go up to the beautiful state of Vancouver, Canada.
Ben
Nice.
Josh
Or as Donald Trump would say, America light. Donny d. Calls it. 51. And I, you know, I couldn't be more excited. We're gonna go for, like, six days, bring my little guy up, and my in laws are gonna come, hopefully. I think they want to come, but, you know, I spent a year up there making the show Turner and Hooch, and so it feels like home when I go back. And I made a show there last year. Yeah, it's just. It's a good. It's a good time. I wish I could take you around and let me tell you, the eating, the amount of Southeast Asian food that I'm about to just plow down my throat. I'm talking Indian, I'm talking Taiwanese. I'm just going to be in heaven, babe.
Ben
It reminds me, Josh, we both cannot go, but we were invited on quite the ski trip.
Josh
Yes.
Ben
I think we should talk about this because we were invited. Was it Sonos?
Josh
Shout out Sonos. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think we were invited.
Ben
We were. I think you were invited. No, Olivia's. One of those emails where they were trying to understand if we would be interested.
Josh
Olivia's like, are your names Claudia and Jackie?
Ben
We were invited. We were invited to the Italian Alps, the Dolomites. Who even knew? I didn't even know that there was a mountain that you could ski on in Italy.
Josh
Right.
Ben
We dodged a bullet, honestly. We would have gotten there and we would have been imprisoned. This is a fake trip.
Josh
Oh, for sure.
Ben
We're inviting you to ski in sunny Florida. I'm in.
Josh
Yeah.
Ben
Never seen again. But Vancouver, Vancouver. Does Paige ski?
Josh
She has skied before, but she's not a big skier. Her mother is, though, and she has requested that we spend a day in Whistler, which is about an hour 15 from Vancouver, so it's an easy drive and spectacular.
Ben
Now, does she bring her own skis?
Josh
No, she's a renter.
Ben
She's a full renter. No. Bringing her own helmet, goggles, etc. She's a renter.
Josh
I would imagine so, yeah. I mean, unless she's been hiding a helmet from me.
Ben
Yeah. I've never understood these people that bring. That bring these skis. I get it if you're like an Olympian, of course, but the people that own skis just rent them.
Josh
It's so.
Ben
It's just such a schlep. And by the way, if you're skiing, skiing is a rich man's sport. If you're trying to pinch pennies skiing by buying skis once so you don't have to rent every time, you're in the wrong field.
Josh
Sure. Well, but I do understand, right? Like, for instance, I took my son ice skating, and I love ice skating, but I don't own, like, I like hockey and stuff like this, but I don't own a pair of skates. And so I use the rentals and they're garbage. Like, yeah, what I would have done to have my own skates, but I just feel weird with them. You Know around my neck, walking in like Charlie Conway, Mighty Duck 7.
Ben
I'm getting you skates. That's your next birthday present.
Josh
No, don't Bowers. Hooking me up. Shout. Shout out, Bauer.
Ben
What size shoe are you? An eight and a half. How dare you.
Josh
I'm a size 11. Very wide. I have a splayed foot. It's like a duck foot.
Ben
That's a ski foot. I have.
Josh
But I'm athletes.
Ben
Honestly, as I was talking about not needing my own skis. I've never found a pair of ski boots that fit this wide foot. Of course. It's so uncomfortable. So honestly, I'm the person who needs them. Jews need ski boots.
Josh
We should not be skiing. Our people don't come from these places. We're sand people. We're people from. You know, we are desert people.
Ben
We are. We are.
Josh
This is why we do so well in Miami, why we do well in Palm Springs. Like this is it.
Ben
No, I'm kidding. Our feet were not meant to be put in these binders. That's what it really is. Ice skates. They're binding your feet. It's too tight. That's it. I love. I love ice skating. You ever go to Walman Rink?
Josh
Well, I broke my arm at Walman Rink.
Ben
Woman Rink is fantastic, isn't it?
Josh
Owned by Trump.
Ben
It is. It is still fun fact. I think so.
Josh
What if. What if Trump came out and was like, the presidency is nice. I'm most proud of my ice skating rink.
Olivia
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Josh
Yeah. No, skiing is. I wound up skiing for the first time in my life when I was doing this. This charity thing. And it was. Microsoft sponsored it. And it was this really beautiful thing with the Special Olympics. So this girl is teaching me how to ski. And I was like, I'm like 32 and this is not the time to pick up skiing. Because immediately I was like, this is so.
Ben
Wait, it was for the Special Olympics or you were being taught to ski by somebody that was a Special Olympian?
Josh
Both.
Ben
Okay.
Josh
Both, shout out. She was damn good, too. She kicked my ass. She was like, what. What are you so afraid of? And I'm like, everything. Like, I've had orthopedic surgery before. I tore my pec off of my arm. Like, I know what can happen if I twist. And it was over. I didn't enjoy it.
Ben
I'm sorry.
Josh
Do you ski?
Ben
Yeah, I ski. Really? I ski and I can ski. Yeah. Like, I'll do. I'll get up to the blues. Like, that's what I like to do. I've done, like a black. I've done these moguls. They're too scary. I just don't have any interest in being full of fear. I like light adrenaline for sure, but I'm not. I'm not an adrenaline junkie like that. I would never jump out of a plane. I'd never. Like, that's not. That's not what does it for me. A nice pastrami sandwich. That's what does it for me. But not this going steep, thinking I'm gonna die, going so fast. I like. I like going. I like going fast, but not so fast, you know? But I ski. I ski. I love it. I love just like the feeling of being free. That's one thing that you really do feel when you're skiing and on the mountain, you can't possibly access your phone. There's nobody around you. It's you and the slopes.
Josh
Yeah. Like, I like getting my adrenaline rush from, like, buying drugs in bad neighborhoods, you know?
Ben
Yeah.
Josh
Like, bring the adrenaline here. You don't have to travel for that. Just go to your local bad neighborhood, look for someone shifty named, like, I don't know, Spider Mike. Shout out and, you know, and see the wares. And then, you know, and it's a mission. Right? Because it's like, you got to get it from them. You got to hope that there's not going to be, like, you know, someone's going to break down the door and there's going to be a raid, and then you got to get home and not die while doing it. It's a whole thing. It's fun.
Ben
The best is you text them, they come, and you're expected to get in their car. You're immediately filled with adrenaline before it even starts. That's a New York thing.
Josh
That's a New York thing, is it? Oh, yeah. I did that in New York when I was 20 years old. I remember distinctly being surrounded by four guys in a town car I should not have been in and thinking, this could be it for me.
Ben
I'm. Honestly, it's completely. I'm happy that you brought up that it's a New York thing. It's so common practice. Like, there was a time where, like, I would. I would pick up some weed. I wasn't necessarily a smoker, but, you know, people are coming over. It was something that I would do. I've been in at least. At least 22,001 Toyota Camrys.
Josh
Yeah.
Ben
Without question.
Josh
Or a Nissan Altima.
Ben
Or a Nissan Altima. Yeah. You get in, they're blasting music. It reeks. And you're like, are you not afraid of the cops? They hand you the stuff, you hand them your 20 and you go on your way. I didn't know that was a New York thing.
Josh
Yeah, that's really.
Ben
So. It's much scarier. So in Los Angeles, you have to go to their house.
Josh
Yeah, usually. Or they'll come to your house.
Ben
The going to their house would freak me out. Them coming to my. I don't know why them coming to my house is less scary.
Josh
Oh, I know why.
Ben
Because I guess so.
Josh
Because the DEA is probably not outside of your house, but it's definitely outside of their house. And it's just. Are you. Is it going to be. We. I had friends Growing up in North Hollywood, like, guys who, you know, they were addicts. And it was almost like you were always rolling the dice, and you knew eventually, like, your number was going to come up. Like, you'd be like, ah, Philip got picked up. And, like, you know, usually for a guy like that, you know, a buddy of mine who's, like, unfortunately very addicted and is going to go spend 50 or 100 bucks buying, like, he'd get out the same day, right, with, like, a notice to appear in court. But I just would never want to be in that position. That's really scary.
Ben
Really scary.
Josh
Yeah. Dude. I don't know. But I have another story. I remember once. I. I'll never forget how lucky I was. I remember I went to go pick something up from this guy's house, and he was, like, a nice guy. He played World of Warcraft, totally nerdy guy. And I'm like, you do not belong in this world. But he was. He was reliable. And then I remember my buddy had called me and was like, yo, like, I'm eating around the corner. Like, why don't we go get a bite? So I went to go meet him, and I just, like, walked to go meet my friend. Cause it was like a block and a half away. And then as I was walking back to go get my car, I see that the building where the guy lived is surrounded by police and tape, and a guy is getting brought out on a gurney from being stabbed. And then next is my World of Warcraft buddy coming out in handcuffs. Oh. Apparently what had happened was when I left, a guy showed up and tried to break down the door to, like, rob this kid, and he took out a knife and stabbed him, and he went to jail. The guy was, you know, didn't seem that serious. But, yeah, it was close.
Ben
It was close. My God, the only. Look, the World of Warcraft guy, I just want you to know what have protected you to. You would have been on his side. You wouldn't have gotten stabbed. You would have been protected by him.
Josh
I always paid on time.
Ben
Yeah. He was your friend.
Josh
Yeah.
Ben
Well, we should go see him. We should have him on the podcast. You think he listens?
Josh
I don't remember his name. And I'm glad all those people got deleted from my phone. February 15, 2008, by court order.
Ben
No, I'm kidding.
Josh
By that, I mean, my mother was like, I can't take this anymore. Yeah. I mean, it's so funny because, you know, God willing, it'll be 17 years sober on. On the 15th in February and, you know, because it's the 15th, people always ask, like, oh, like, what happened on Valentine's Day?
Ben
I was just about to say, what happened on Valentine's Day.
Josh
People think I, like, got my heart so broken that I was like, I need to get sober. And I'm like, dog, if you think that I was in any position to be anyone's Valentine the day before I got sober, you're tripping. Like, it just so happens that that was the day. But it was a couple wild years. I was still fun. I think you just. My friend once said it best. He was like, you know, Josh was still there. You just felt bad for him. And I was like, thanks.
Ben
Yeah, well, don't. Don't.
Josh
Don't give me applause. I appreciate it. It's, like, when people talk, I sometimes say this.
Ben
It's pretty fucking cool, honestly. We were talking about it on the episode with Kid David, just like you mentioned that his father gave you some wisdom about what a bar mitzvah is, right? And how bar mitzvahs, you know, they might not make much sense, but if you're able to get through it, it's something that you really. You have forever. And I know that I am the opposite of real. Like, when I say that I keep kosher, I don't keep kosher. I do my best. Right, Josh? You know this. I wish I could. I wish I could, but at the same time, sobriety is almost like your version of kosher. I know that you have to do it, but it's. I'm getting there with some. I'm getting somewhere with this.
Josh
We're. We're with you, Olivia. You on board?
Ben
It's this idea that, like, you. You have something that is constantly guiding the best version of yourself. And I think that's so awesome. That's all.
Josh
Thank you. You know, I appreciate it. And I've seen guys lament about. In sobriety, you know, lament about the trials and tribulations and the challenges that life presents in sobriety. And I. And I always want to tell them, like, oh, no. Like, getting sober didn't guarantee it was all going to be like, sunshine and lollipops. I'm like, what we got is a ticket to life, right? Like, on life's terms. Before that, we weren't even playing, you know, playing the game because we were too caught up. But, like, now we get to actually live life like every other human and, you know, experience the highs, experience the lows, everywhere in between. But that's the gift is the ability to Feel all of it.
Ben
And I don't mean to, like, sound like a boomer, but I think Everybody's addicted to TikTok. I'm definitely addicted to TikTok.
Josh
Yeah.
Ben
And I have to say, I think that it would do me a lot of good if I could somehow delete that app, because it really is just like you. Talking about missing. I'm missing two hours a night.
Josh
Wow. I get it.
Ben
Every single night. I'm missing two hours a night now. Perhaps that will change with a child. I'm not going to be on TikTok with a baby.
Josh
Yes, you will. It won't change.
Ben
Maybe eventually, but not, like, not in the beginning.
Josh
Within a week, someone with two kids in the third on the way.
Ben
I love you, but, like. But, like, I just.
Josh
It's a good tool, dude. Like, you'll get up in the middle of the night and you will be so dead dog tired, and you'll have that beautiful tatula in your arms, and you'll be feeding him because you're a wonderful, attentive husband. And that light from the screen blasts your face, and suddenly you're not so tired. You know, this sucks, but this algorithm is incredible.
Ben
I just. It's so good, and it just keeps me there and it knows what I need, but I just, like. I wish I could just read a book, but I can't. I don't want to.
Josh
It's so funny, because now that I've.
Ben
And by the way, I don't mean to trivialize your sobriety by relating it to me being addicted to TikTok.
Josh
No, I get it. Look, now that I've upgraded to my new Samsung S25 Ultra with a stylus, but because I upgraded to a new phone recently, I can't. If you have a new phone, you can't download the TikTok app.
Ben
Oh, yes.
Josh
So I'm not. I have TikTok on my old phone. So, like, if I go home and it's on WI fi, I can kind of look at it, but I can't just be constantly scrolling while I'm walking around or whatever. And I miss it. I do miss it. That algo is good stuff.
Ben
It's fire.
Josh
Olivia, you like this TikTok. You like this fine app?
Rachel
The algorithm is so good. My, it's so weird. The, like, randomized nature of it. It's like the dopamine hit you get from that is like no other. It is dangerous, but it's so good. Beautiful.
Olivia
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Ben
A beautiful rabbit hole of Taylor Swift collaborating with Gracie Abrams. This Gracie Abrams, Josh. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
Josh
You brought her up when we had the great Matt Matthews on the show because he was talking about how in love with, with Chapel Roan he was. And you were like, you think that's good? How about Gracie Abrams? And he was like, never heard of her.
Ben
And you said, okay, she is unbelievable. Yeah, unbelievable. Hard pivot here, but I have a story for you, Josh.
Josh
Wait, I want to. I do want to hear the story, but may I ask one more thing?
Ben
Yes, you may.
Josh
I listened to the great Pivot podcast with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway and they were saying that. And I hadn't thought of this in the moment, but they basically said, look, the government can't agree on lunch, but this bill that was enacted six months ago was agreed upon by like 70 plus senators, 350 plus Congress people. It was, you know, ratified by the president. Like all of these things came together. A bipartisan bill to ban TikTok. And then at the 25th hour, when it was time to do it, we blinked, right? Like it was put up or shut up. And we said, you can have an extension. And I'm sure it was sort of exacerbated by having six months of this app to feed us all these videos of like, can you believe it's going away? This isn't fair.
Ben
Totally.
Josh
So, you know, they basically. And this was Scott, a quote from Scott Galloway. He said, it makes us look unserious. That when we make a decision, when it really comes down to things, we blinked. What do you think?
Ben
I agree. I agree. And, but it's, it also, it is strange that we were all as a country aware of how much time we had, like, it 100% should have been private information that there were six months, because if one day the app just went away, sure, there would be some hysteria. But you're 1,000% right that the lead up and the buildup and the time of your life, Green Day style videos of looking at TikTok at a glance, like, it made it all too real and very sad. And then it pivoted to. Everybody's making so much money. You're taking away people's money, the creators and all this stuff. And. Yeah, no, it. The way that the whole thing was incredibly poorly executed. And I agree, it makes us look incredibly weak.
Josh
What can you do? Okay.
Ben
Pivot hard. Pivot. Okay. I had a very, very embarrassing moment this week, Josh.
Josh
Good.
Ben
Very embarrassing.
Josh
Yes.
Ben
With our good friend Chris DiStefano.
Josh
Oh, no. Oh, boy. Ouch. Ouch.
Ben
So he posted a TikTok or he posted a video on Instagram, a reel, and it was of his standup, which is super funny. And in his standup, he's talking about his father in the past tense. He's like, yeah, my dad did. My dad was past tense. Okay.
Olivia
And I look in the comments, and.
Ben
I'm like, people are writing like, I didn't know your dad died. So I reached out to him and I. I was like, you know, I. I didn't see you talk about it, but I'm really sorry if you're. If your dad died. Like, that sucks here for you. To which he wrote back, dude, my dad's alive.
Josh
So good.
Ben
And so, like, am I an asshole or. I'm like, I. Like, I had to say something. I can't just go by and see that, like, a friend's father could have passed and not say anything. Right.
Josh
Here's my question. You got. I don't consider Chris the Stefano a friend. Like, and I introduced you guys, like, friend, light friend. How close are you?
Ben
We exchange one DM every two months.
Josh
That's right. Like, I.
Ben
Light friend.
Josh
I listened to the great History Hyenas podcast with Giannis Pappas and Chris DiStefano. It's so good. And I heard Chris talk about that he was finally getting married officially to basically his wife, but his. The mother of his kids, his wonderful, longtime girlfriend, Jasmine. So I text him, you know, mazel, babe. Like, on the nuptials. That's awesome. And he was like, thanks, dear. But, like, that was it, because I also. I've tried to be friendly with comedians that we've had on the pod before. They. They're not Very reciprocal.
Ben
So basically you're saying that next time I just. I just should pretend that I didn't hear anything.
Josh
I wonder, do you think you really felt that, or was it your desire to have more intimacy with Chris, to be closer?
Ben
I am 1000% sure that it was because I thought maybe his dad died. But now that I'm thinking about it, he was very strange of me. I'm very embarrassed by this story. I should not have reached out to him.
Josh
Hold on. Let me just check one thing really quick on the embarrassment scale. Check. Okay, good. Got my stylus out.
Ben
Well, while we leave, I'm gonna check and make sure he still follows me on Instagram. I'd say it's 50. 50.
Josh
So, yeah, it's a tight rope that we walk with celebrities, quasi celebrities, versions of celebrity. Because it is it. You just. You never know, like, who. That's, like, the thing too. With, like. And I know I talk about it. Oh, no. Did I scratch my ultra? It's. Let me give a kiss to the stylist. You know, the thing about it is, is, like, that's why I always say, like, my relationship with John Stamos, that we're actually, like, real friends. And I can depend on him, and I hope he can depend on me. Like, is mind blowing because that should never have happened. Only because you don't meet people that are, like, famous and well known like that and have lasting things. It's so rare. Rare.
Ben
So rare.
Josh
Right?
Ben
Fumbled.
Josh
It's fine.
Ben
Come on, let's hard pivot to something else.
Josh
Yeah, let's hard piv, baby. Okay. I was thinking about a fun game the other day recently. I was. You know me, I'm the donut king over here. I love a good donut. I could just. I get about four or five, and then I eat about a quarter to a half of each. So to me, I'm like, it's not crazy. It's like, total, maybe 2. 2.5 donuts in total. It's a little bit of an indulgence. And I get to, like, I get to try, I get to test, I get to sample.
Ben
Yes.
Josh
So I recently went into a donut store that I love, and I guess that they. Because they had opened up enough chains, now they have to display the calorie content of said donuts. I'm just going to. First of all, I got a chart for Dunkin and Krispy Kreme doughnuts. So I thought it could be fun to guess the calories of Dunkin and Krispy Kreme doughnuts. I will just say at the donut store that I was at. Take a wild guess for what? The apple fritter. The brick of donuts. Take a wild guess what the calorie count is on that honker.
Ben
I think that the. And we're talking about a regular sized donut.
Josh
We're talking about a fritter.
Ben
We're talking about a fritter. A fritter. Okay, so a fritter obviously has some, like, cinnamon apple chunks in it, but it's probably covered in some type of vanilla glaze. Of course, if they did it right and the whole thing is deep fried, I'm going 375.
Josh
Okay. We're talking an apple fritter, which are usually quite big. Like, they're usually like the size of two donuts. And it's the whole thing. I don't. First of all, I'm upset that you're this far away from understanding what an apple fritter.
Ben
750. If it's double, I was thinking it's smaller. 750.
Josh
It was 990.
Ben
You know what the problem is? Krispy. Somebody. Somebody once told me their Krispy Kreme donut is 250 calories. I thought that was light. Were they lying to me?
Josh
No. So this was not Krispy Kreme, but let's go there. Okay. Okay. Let's guess the calorie count. Olivia, feel free to play the calorie count on a Krispy Kreme regular glazed. A Krispy Kreme regular glaze.
Ben
I think a Krispy Kreme regular glaze from what I've been told is 250, but that sounds light.
Josh
Olivia.
Rachel
I'm gonna go 325.
Josh
You're both wrong. 190.
Ben
Yeah. See?
Josh
Yeah. 190.
Ben
I don't believe it. Josh.
Josh
Oh, I do. It's so white. It's a pill.
Ben
It's so good.
Josh
Oh, my God. Listen, those. If you didn't have six, you're like, it's child's play.
Ben
So good.
Josh
Oh, my God. You microwave it for 11 seconds. You just black out and think about.
Ben
I can't believe that you're your father. I mean, what, You've brought donuts home. Donuts never make it to my house. By the time I literally. I'll get a box of 12, I'll eat eight of them walking and throw away the other four in disgust.
Josh
Totally. Okay.
Ben
They don't make it home with me.
Josh
What do we think a chocolate iced Dunkin donuts donut is calories on that.
Ben
225.
Josh
225 for a Dunkin chocolate iced Olivia?
Rachel
250.
Josh
It's 270. Coming in at a 270.
Ben
Okay.
Josh
All right. Jelly filled. Jelly filled at Krispy Kreme.
Ben
425.
Rachel
Going to say 430.
Josh
270 at Krispy Kreme.
Ben
What kind of jelly are they using?
Josh
It's light, Babe.
Ben
Jelly is so caloric.
Josh
We're talking.
Ben
I want to investigate. We're putting an investigation in a Krispy Kreme.
Josh
Okay. A coffee roll slash cinnamon bun at Dunkin. Coffee roll slash cinnamon bun.
Ben
Like. Like a Cinnabon. Like a swirl.
Josh
Mm.
Ben
350.
Josh
Mm. Olivia.
Rachel
445.
Josh
390. Right in the middle, guys. Okay, Is this our new game show instead of the Price is Right? The calorie is right.
Ben
I love it.
Rachel
Yes.
Ben
I love it.
Josh
And you don't win a showcase. You just. You get to eat whatever you want. Okay. How about just a glazed donut hole? The little munchkins, the little popums. 50, Olivia. 55. 70 calories for one. And you gotta pop. Five minutes.
Ben
Okay, okay. Now I'm calling bullshit on the whole thing. Okay. 75 for a donut hole. Josh, how many donut holes make up a donut?
Josh
I would say three to four.
Ben
Two, three, four, five, six. I think at least eight.
Josh
You're nuts. I don't trust your. Your bargaining at all.
Ben
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
Josh
You're crazy. That's so not true.
Ben
It's probably not true.
Josh
We could do Chick Fil A. You want to do Chick Fil A?
Ben
Sure.
Josh
Okay. Or should we save Chick Fil A for next week? We'll do one.
Ben
Save Chick Fil A.
Josh
We're saving Chick Fil A. Let's get to a story real quick, and then we'll get to.
Ben
Wait. Do you have it? Do you have info on the Boston cream? That's really what I wanted to know. Yes.
Josh
Are you kidding me? And happy to share. Boston cream coming at you. What do you think the calories are on The Boston cream?
Ben
600.
Josh
Mmm.
Rachel
525.
Josh
The Boston cream's coming in at 370.
Ben
No, no, no. Josh, it is so creamy.
Josh
This is the second time you've brought up cream on this episode, and I'm over it.
Ben
It's so creamy.
Josh
But these are. Remember, these are Dunkin and Krispy Kreme. This isn't like your local donut shop that, like, it's giving out big honkers.
Ben
Imagine sticking your dick in a Boston cream.
Josh
Yes, I'll call that a Boston bombing. Am I right?
Ben
No, I'm kidding.
Josh
Jesus Christ.
Ben
Disgusting.
Josh
It's so bad, that boy. Well, did you know that Kenan Thompson reacts to Pete Davidson's SNL low salary reveal? You got to pay your dues. So I guess Pete Davidson was asked what he did with his first check and he was like, what do you mean? Snl we get paid like three grand a week. I think I bought dinner. And Kenan Thompson said, nah, you got to pay your dues. What do we think about that?
Ben
I think that Kenan has had a very long career because he clearly is very good at playing the game, it would seem. Seems like he doesn't like to. Which I, I totally respect. Why would you want to upset the network? He's, his life is cushy. It's not worth responding to this, like, stuff in any other way if, if you value your job. I think it's a smart play. What do you think?
Josh
I mean, I think there is a nature. I'm not. Not that they're ever looking for good old jpeg, but the SNL thing has never appealed to me. Like, I just, I think people not only love the show because obviously it's had some brilliant things over the last 50 years, but it as an institution, the idea of have. Do you. Are you aware of what the audition process is?
Ben
No. Tell me.
Josh
So for snl, you send in a tape, a six minute tape, three impressions and three characters. So any three characters that you've like, basically created, and you can also send in a writing packet. And from that they then decide whether or not they're going to bring you to New York. So you show up to 30 Rock and you get sat in a waiting room and they basically tell you you're going to go in onto the stage at 30 Rock where they say, like, live from New York, it's Saturday night, like the place dead center, and whomever the head writer is and the rest of the writers, so you know, Colin Jost and Michael Che and a couple other writers and Lauren are going to be in the audience. Do not expect them to laugh, don't talk to them, don't react. If it's quiet, just do your thing. So you go up and you perform your six minutes and you leave. And what happens from there is you wait to hear and then what happens is that they call you and they go, Lauren wants to see you. And they might give you the job, they might not still. And I've Heard it can last from anywhere to 30 minutes to hours where Lauren keeps you waiting in the waiting room of his office to just kind of see if you have, like, enough, you know, if your desire is enough, that you're willing to, like, sit around for a while.
Ben
Too much control.
Josh
Interesting, right?
Ben
Very interesting. Very fascinating.
Josh
I mean, I'm not. Look, I'll never do anything as spectacular as what they've done with that show and what Lawrence achieved. So I don't want to criticize. It does seem odd to me. I don't know why you'd have to do it. But you know what? He wants to see what you're worth.
Ben
And I feel like they didn't do that. Maybe they did. They always do that. Or do you think that's, like, newer? Like, old SNL was obviously way better. Everybody says that. The characters were better, the actors were better. Like no shade. Besides, Keenan, who I love, and Pete was good for sure. But, like, other than that, honestly, I turn on. If I. If I ever turn on snl, it's to watch Kenan and Weekend Update.
Josh
Sure.
Ben
Otherwise, I don't care about any of these other people. And I just wonder if that's because of the process you just outlined, that maybe it's not producing the best talent because the funniest people are not fucking waiting three hours for something. They're not.
Josh
No, they are. Look, clearly there's brilliant people that have come from it recently. Bill Hader and I mean, I think.
Ben
Is it recent? Sorry, I agree with you, but I don't. Bill Hader was on snl.
Josh
I'm just saying, like, every decade you have, you know, four or five that really crush it. So anyway, yeah, it's just like, an interesting process. So I get it. I think, like, you know, you want to have the name. You want to be a part of this thing. And if you get paid three grand a week and after taxes and representation, you're clearing 1200 bucks, what can you do?
Ben
Visibility. It helps launch a career. I just want to go on record. I would take it.
Josh
Yes, Same here. Should we get to a Speak pipe?
Ben
I don't know what I would do, but I would take it. Yeah, let's listen to a speak pipe and then what? Are you nuts?
Josh
Oh, I love it. Love it. Okay, this first Speak pipe, if you want to leave us a question, get some advice, and don't give us your Woody nuts, it's probably not great. Go to speakpipe.com goodguys. Keep it brief. Brevity is key. Let's hear From Rachel from South Jersey.
Chris DiStefano
Hi, Josh and Ben. I'm a moron, I guess, forever. I hate saying that, but I listen to you guys every week and it always puts a smile on my face and. Yeah. So I just wanted to tell you guys about a dating app experience that I've had. Maybe share some advice to any guys listening who are on the apps. So I've been seeing this guy. He said he was 58 on his profile, and it came up in conversation. And he again, reference that he was 5 8. And a few dates later, he helped me put up this closet thing for my new apartment. And he was the same height as a piece of furniture. So when he left, I looked up how tall the piece of furniture was, and the measurements said that the piece of furniture was 5 6.
Josh
It was an end table.
Chris DiStefano
Anyway, it's really weird to lie. It's awkward to lie. We're 28, and I just thought that we were past all that. But, you know, maybe one day I will find my tall Jewish man, the hbhbh. And we'll have a beautiful family. So anyway, my advice here is just don't lie about your height. Why? People insist on lying. That would be great, too. Okay, bye, guys.
Ben
I don't know what's more. It's far more nuts that you looked up the height of furniture that you thought was the same height as your boyfriend and came to the conclusion that he was exactly 5, 6. Nobody's the exact height of a dresser. And how big is this thing? 5. A 5, 6 dresser.
Josh
An armoire big. An armoire?
Ben
Yeah, I guess an armoire. All right, look. Why do people lie about their height? Because they're insecure and they wish that they were taller. You're with a 5, 6 guy. I'm not going to judge, but by the sounds of. You're probably five foot. So what's the problem?
Josh
Totally. Right? But it's taller than you.
Ben
He's your tall Jewish king. Would he be mine? No, he'd be a squeak. But to each their own.
Josh
Listen, Ben and I, we throw him into a ceiling fan because we're full grown, this squeak. You know, we toss them around a little bit, throw them around in the pool, sticky to five, six Jewish men, and be like, here, Ben, you hold him. Olivia, what is it with men in height? And it's insecure for us, but I also think it really does matter to a lot of women.
Rachel
It definitely does matter to a lot of girls. And I think that that is unfortunate. I can. I can say for one, Ethan is is a tall king. He's over six foot.
Ben
Shout out, but a glass of water.
Rachel
I, I just, I feel bad for the short kings. There's plenty of midgets.
Josh
There.
Rachel
I feel, I feel bad. I think it's an unfair stigma to hold. But also, don't lie about it. Like, if you own it and you're short, I think that is much more respectable and cool because the confidence will read versus if you're lying about it. That is just a major turn off, I think, to anybody.
Ben
By the way, two inches though, is within your right to lie, I think.
Josh
I agree.
Ben
He, he didn't say that he was 6 foot 58 and 5 6. My dad's been walking around on his driver's license, says 5:10. This man is no taller than 5:7.
Josh
Well, he just had scoliosis surgery.
Ben
Yeah. Actually, now it's a good question. Maybe he is taller now. I haven't, I haven't measured him post spinal reconstruction, so perhaps he's gained a couple inches. You're right.
Josh
But you know what I think it is, is that we all, we want our level of attractiveness to be for the table. And by that I mean we want it to be for everyone.
Ben
Yes.
Josh
We don't want to be fetishized. And so there's certainly people who are into shorter guys or shorter girls or whatever. But like, you don't want to be like, oh, I'm attractive to one people and their thing, their kink, their, you know, whatever you want to feel like, oh, in most scenarios, someone would find me traditionally nice looking. So I get that. And I under, you know, it's such a guy thing because like, I'm 6ft. And by that I mean I'm 5 11. We all round up and it was, which is definitely average, A little above average. If Most guys are 5 10, you're tall. But I remember we went to see the great Joey Commasta and Pat at out and about, and they are like, like between Joey, Pat and Ben. It was like, you know, a basketball team at the, you know, at the LGBTQ center. No.
Ben
At the ymca. Yes.
Josh
It was incredible. But you know, pat is like six seven. Joey six four. You're six two is. He is. Joey's pretty tall. No dip.
Ben
There's no iPad. Six seven.
Josh
He's a big kid. He's a tall.
Ben
I don't remember, I don't remember him being 6 7.
Josh
He's like Baron. Baron adjacent, big body Baron.
Ben
I think Pat actually is six four. I think Joey is six two. And I'm six one.
Josh
You're like six two two. And I remember there was a photo of all of us, and I look like the squeak. And I didn't like it. I did not like it. It rubbed me the wrong way. Who's six seven? Brian Kelly's six seven. At least he's a big kid.
Ben
He's. He's huge.
Josh
Yeah, big kid. So handsome kid.
Ben
Oh, yeah. Number one.
Josh
Love him. Shout out his new book, which, by the time this comes out, it'll be out. We're gonna have him on the show. We're gonna promote it. Get Brian Kelly the points.
Ben
Shop it. Shop it.
Josh
Should we get to our what are you nuts?
Ben
Yes. Oh, my God.
Josh
Our what are you nuts? Moment of the week is our gripes with people, places, and things. Go, Ben, go.
Ben
Yeah, I have a Woody announcement from this week. So I get a call from my dad. I'm on a work call, so I don't pick up. I get another call from my dad. I text him on the side. I'm like, on a call. Call you right back. I get a third call. So by the third call, I'm thinking, okay, there's a problem. Three straight calls. And look, my dad is known to call me frequently, and nothing is ever a problem. But you gotta pick up the third call just in case, right? So I pick up the third call, and he says, ben, I have a huge problem. Like, what's wrong? Are you okay? He's like, I'm okay. I've been looking everywhere for somewhere that I can order your mother a half a pound of chopped liver. Can you please help me go on one of the apps to order this? Dad, what are you nuts? Three straight calls for me to Uber eats you a half a pound of chopped liver. Are you crazy? Like, I just like you. This is not. This isn't right. And, mom, stop ordering chopped liver. Like, it's too much.
Josh
So good.
Ben
It's too much. Ugh. I know, but, like, my mom, she'll, like, show up at the movies. I'm like, whose cat died? She's like, they're eating her chopped liver.
Josh
Ew. Eating chopped liver to the movies?
Ben
Yeah, she'll bring chop liver anywhere.
Josh
Ava, that is unacceptable.
Ben
You'll bring chopped liver anywhere.
Josh
Like, can you imagine? You're trying to watch Wicked and you're like, do you smell liver pate? And you know she's eating it with crunchy pita chips.
Ben
It's awful.
Josh
God bless her.
Ben
Awful.
Josh
God bless.
Ben
Yeah, she'll have a little container of, like, half a pound of liver and like, a couple of pieces of rolled up deli meat in a Ziploc.
Josh
It's a Jewish cliff bar.
Ben
She'll just alternate in the movie.
Josh
Oh, my God. Well, my. My Woody nuts is. I was watching a video the other day for a plastic surgeon, and he was like, you know, I'm so into the work, into the artistry of the nose job and how perfectly I want the nose. Like, I don't think about it. I don't. I don't. I don't even know how much we charge for that.
Ben
Them.
Josh
To be honest, I just care about making the perfect nose. What are you nuts? Of course you know how much you charge for them. Plastic surgeons in general have a hustle where they never talk money, and then they leave and then the head of their office comes in and goes, that'll be 50k. Right? It's the same reason why we have agents and managers. They're the middlemen so that they can be the tough guys for the artist. But, like, what are you, nuts? You know, you set the prices. You just wanted to seem all weird and artsy. Fart. Give me a break. What do you.
Ben
Nuts. Nuts. Nuts. Absolutely nuts. Okay, we know you're in this for the money. Yes. That's why you're a plastic surgeon. You're in it for the money, for the cash, for the moolah.
Josh
Oh, and by the way, just side note, do you ever wear Vuori?
Ben
Am I a fan? What'd you say?
Josh
Do you ever wear Vuori?
Ben
Do I have a roe. Vuuri?
Josh
That and the Athleisure wear Viori. You know it.
Ben
For whatever reason is going in and out. I cannot hear you.
Josh
Okay? Just send the show. God damn it. Anyway, this is a Vuori shirt and I love it. Thank you, Viori. And I'll get you some too, Ben.
Ben
Goodbye, Viori. The shirt. Yes, I would love one. Love it, love it, love it. I got you this episode, folks. If not five stars. What are you, nuts? Listen to us on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts. Watch us on YouTube, watch our ticks on. Watch our tics. Watch our clips on TikTok. Because you're an addict. Watch our clips on Instagram as well and share them with a friend Mondays and Thursdays, folks. We will see you next time.
Josh
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Podcast Summary: Good Guys – Episode: Deli Shivers, Chopped Liver and Ben’s Embarrassing Celebrity Text?! Release Date: February 6, 2025
In this lively episode of "Good Guys", hosts Josh Peck and Ben Soffer delve into a mix of humorous anecdotes, personal experiences, and engaging discussions that cater to both Jewish-centric themes and universal topics. Below is a detailed summary capturing the essence of their conversation, complete with notable quotes and timestamps for reference.
[00:37 – 05:50]
The episode kicks off with Ben sharing his exhilarating experience at a private event hosted at Katz’s Deli. From the outset, Ben paints a vivid picture of the night, emphasizing the endless servings of pastrami sandwiches and other deli delights.
Josh’s curiosity is piqued as Ben recounts the serendipitous encounter with the deli’s owner, unveiling opportunities for potential collaborations, including the idea of filming their theme song music video at Katz’s.
They also touch upon the deli’s impressive operation, handling upwards of 2,000 orders weekly.
[02:36 – 04:20]
A spirited discussion ensues about their favorite condiments for a perfect deli sandwich. Ben advocates for Russian dressing, reminiscing about his lifelong preference.
Josh: “Now you tell me when you're eating said sandwich. Are you only doing Russian dressing or are you considering a nice spicy deli mustard?” [02:36]
Ben: “I'm really, really a big Russian guy, but I do love a deli mustard with a little bit of mayonnaise.” [02:47]
Josh humorously teases Ben about his passion for Russian dressing, highlighting the playful camaraderie between the hosts.
[06:32 – 09:03]
Josh shares his excitement about an upcoming ski trip to Vancouver, Canada, during his son's ski week.
The conversation shifts to the logistics of skiing, including equipment rentals and personal preferences.
Ben: “She has skied before, but she's not a big skier. Her mother is, though, and she has requested that we spend a day in Whistler.” [08:55]
Josh: “I'm a size 11. Very wide. I have a splayed foot. It's like a duck foot.” [10:05]
[13:02 – 19:56]
Josh recounts his first skiing experience during a charity event sponsored by Microsoft, which intertwined with his challenges related to sobriety.
He reflects on past experiences in New York, discussing the dangers associated with illicit activities and the constant presence of law enforcement.
Ben empathizes with Josh’s experiences, emphasizing the unpredictability and risks of such environments.
[20:36 – 23:43]
The hosts transition into discussing modern-day addictions, particularly focusing on TikTok. Ben humorously admits his struggle with the app.
Josh relates this to his own experiences with upgrading his phone and the challenges of limiting screen time.
Olivia and Rachel chime in, agreeing on the platform's addictive nature and its impact on daily routines.
[27:02 – 32:01]
Ben shares an awkward encounter involving their friend Chris DiStefano, who mistakenly thought his father had passed away based on a misinterpreted social media post.
Josh reflects on the rarity and unpredictability of genuine friendships within celebrity circles.
[39:12 – 41:34]
Josh provides a detailed explanation of the Saturday Night Live (SNL) audition process, highlighting its stringent and enigmatic nature.
Ben and Josh discuss the current state of SNL, questioning whether the audition process affects the quality of talent.
[32:52 – 38:23]
Injecting some fun into the episode, Josh and Ben engage in a playful game where they guess the calorie content of various donuts from Dunkin and Krispy Kreme.
Josh: “What do you think the calories are on The Boston cream? … it was 990.” [37:01]
Ben: “I think the Krispy Kreme regular glaze from what I've been told is 250, but that sounds light.” [34:47]
Their humorous attempts and corrections highlight their differing perspectives on indulgent treats.
[48:24 – 51:44]
In their signature segment, the hosts share amusing gripes with various people, places, and things.
Ben: “I get a call from my dad… he’s looking to order a half a pound of chopped liver. Can you please help me go on one of the apps to order this?” [48:30]
Josh: “Plastic surgeons in general have a hustle where they never talk money… What are you, nuts? You set the prices.” [50:36]
Their exaggerated complaints add a layer of comedic relief to the episode.
[51:44 – 52:19]
The episode concludes with light-hearted banter about clothing brands and a reminder for listeners to rate the podcast.
Ben: “This is a Vuori shirt and I love it. Thank you, Viori. And I'll get you some too, Ben.” [51:38]
Josh: “If not five stars. What are you, nuts? Listen to us on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts.” [52:19]
This episode of "Good Guys" masterfully blends humor with heartfelt discussions, providing listeners with entertaining stories and relatable topics. From indulging in classic deli experiences to navigating personal challenges and modern-day addictions, Josh and Ben offer a blend of laughter and insight that resonates with a diverse audience. Whether you're a deli enthusiast, a ski aficionado, or someone grappling with digital distractions, there's something in this episode for everyone.
Note: This summary excludes advertisement segments and focuses solely on the content-driven parts of the episode, ensuring a seamless and informative overview for those who haven’t tuned in.