Ben Safer (2:12)

Yeah, I absolutely love it. Was it a part of the deliverables to throw in a mention on the pot? If it was, it's fine.

Josh Peck (2:19)

It was not. It was not.

Ben Safer (2:20)

Okay.

Josh Peck (2:20)

I'm just. I'm just an inquiry. Incredible partner.

Ben Safer (2:24)

Okay, good. I mean, look, Keels, I don't need a deal, but a light gifting, not a light.

Josh Peck (2:29)

I want. We want A heavy flow.

Ben Safer (2:31)

I just. I.

Josh Peck (2:32)

Just a little.

Ben Safer (2:33)

Little bit of gifting. I love the hand. The hand cream.

Josh Peck (2:36)

The.

Ben Safer (2:36)

I think the creme de corpse, that's the. The hero product. My dad is a. Bruce Safer is the king of creme de corpse. You've no idea.

Josh Peck (2:43)

That's like moisturizing with Brie.

Ben Safer (2:47)

It is. It's so thick. Oh, my God. That is hysterical. Moisturizing with Brie. And it is that, like, off. Like, off white color. It's almost like a. It's Brie. You're right.

Josh Peck (3:01)

It's Brie.

Ben Safer (3:01)

It's Brie. Yeah, it's Brie. My God. All right, I don't want creme de corpse anymore. I don't want to moisturize with Brie. It's too thick.

Josh Peck (3:08)

What about too much? I'm butchering this. But there's a great moment with Zach Galifianakis in between Two Ferns where he's interviewing Brie Larson, and he goes. And he's talking about her parents divorce. He goes, did they break up because they named you after fucking cheese?

Ben Safer (3:28)

It's a really crazy name. Really crazy. Imagine you were Cheddar Peck. That's sick. Or Swiss Peck.

Josh Peck (3:36)

Swiss Swiss Peck. Munster Peck.

Ben Safer (3:39)

Munster Peck is good. Gouda safer.

Josh Peck (3:42)

Gouda. Softer is hot.

Ben Safer (3:44)

Right, Right. Or I'm trying to think of a more artisan cheese. What is. What are those. What are the packs that come in the triangles? What are the. Poly polio, laughing cow, Ashray, Sargento Peck. Oh, man. Josh, we haven't been able to talk about it on the phone, but my mom, the craftswoman that she is, she sent you guys some pretty gorgeous stuff. You got to see a little inside baseball. Avis offer.

Josh Peck (4:21)

What a gift from God your parents are. I mean, you really lucked out. And your parents sent my wife and I the most beautiful gifts for truly the entire family, which was probably the most thoughtful of it all, because she knew that not only were our kids gonna feel left out if only Meyer got a present, but it happens. Yeah, but she included my wife and I. This woman, she is a saint.

Ben Safer (4:47)

She really is. And it's funny. You have to appreciate. Like, some people don't appreciate a handmade gift, which those people. What are you nuts? Like, if anybody makes you something handmade, they actually spent time on it. Anybody can spend money. Okay, yes. If you can spend time, it's a different story. My mom called me the other day. She's like, I don't know what to get them. I'm thinking of making them passport cases. I'M like, you're gonna make them passport cases? She's like, yeah. And she, like, sent me. She's like, do they like basketball? Do they come like, Max likes basketball. They're like. She's like, what about Scheinmeyer? I'm like, I don't think that they know, like, where they are. So, like, you can put whatever they want on them. So she did, like an astronaut or something. And my mom, like, handmade passport cases for the packs and all. I have to say, mom, where's mine? I don't have one.

Josh Peck (5:35)

She goes, I sketch something on that tub of vodka sauce your father left a couple months ago. And be appreciative.

Ben Safer (5:45)

Yeah, she's always just. She's the most thoughtful person I've ever met.

Josh Peck (5:50)

Oh, they're amazing. Has she always been an artist and crafty or as a hobby or.

Ben Safer (5:55)

Yeah, so before I was born, she was like a full time painter and she would paint and she would sell her paintings. And then when I was born, she stopped doing that. She's now, like an art therapy teacher. That's, like, what she does. So she'll like, teach, like, special needs kids, like, through art. But she's. Yeah, she's an artist and a florist. Like, that's her. She's an artiste. She's an artiste, this woman.

Josh Peck (6:20)

These parents of yours. This is why you don't code switch for ads, which, by the way, is why we get the best feedback for your ads on the pod and in general, because you feel no pressure to put anything on.

Ben Safer (6:37)

It's so true. I haven't been able to. I really understand why that is. No pressure. It's them. No pressure. No pressure. Okay. You don't like my ad. Sorry, no pressure. But they do like them. They do. I just did an Applebee's one recently. It was so good. So good. I love the ads. I hope you guys like the ads. I have so much fun with the ads. If you're skipping these ads and you're jumping, because I know a lot of podcast people do that. Like, people listen to podcasts. They'll just, like, skip through the ads. You're missing jokes. You're missing inside lingo. Like, I make it as fun as possible. You should listen to them and listen to them again and use our codes.

Josh Peck (7:18)

People are stupid if they. They skip through our ads. I mean, yes, they're awful on every other podcast, but on ours they are. We're giving that extra bit of handholding in general, this podcast. And Ben doesn't listen to any podcast. I. No, I listen two, three hours a day because I don't want to be alone up here. These thoughts. No thanks.

Ben Safer (7:40)

Yeah, no, I listen to none. I listen to none. I listen to the toast like once a year. But other than that, no, no pods. Just this one. This is the only podcast I need. This podcast. You guys don't even understand how big we've gotten. Can we talk for a second about what we're doing next week? Just because I think it's cool.

Josh Peck (7:56)

Yes, but quickly, I want to say when you said that when I do an ad, it's like when people go, hi, I'm so and so and you're.

Ben Safer (8:04)

Watching Disney Channel, did that hurt your feelings?

Josh Peck (8:07)

No, no. I actually have an idea, but I think it would get the wrong kind of pickup for when I. That I want to do with Drake and I, that I wanted, wanted to do like a TikTok for us doing our version of that but for Nickelodeon and going, hey, I'm Drake. And I'm Josh and you're watching Nickelodeon and then just spelling out help.

Ben Safer (8:27)

That inspect. Unbelievable.

Josh Peck (8:30)

It's pretty good.

Ben Safer (8:31)

That is like a 10 out of 10 joke. I. It would go so viral. That is so funny, honestly. Yeah, you might have to lift it from this episode so nobody knows that it's coming because it's so funny.

Josh Peck (8:45)

The morons deserve to have the heads up.

Ben Safer (8:48)

They do, they do. Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, that is so funny. Yeah, that would do so. That would do so well.

Josh Peck (8:55)

I know. That would do so. So tempting. Okay, so what are we doing next week?

Ben Safer (8:58)

Tell the people. So next week, Josh and I were the only podcasts in the world approached to do a live taping of the good guys from the fricking US Open. Are you kidding me? We're doing a live taping of the podcast at the US Open. I mean, that's the coolest thing ever.

Josh Peck (9:14)

It's unbelievable. We're doing it with the great vital protein shout out. Which by the way, my family has been. Listen, this mother in law of mine, you know, she's Ava software coated. This is how good of a woman she is. This, this woman loves a potion. She loves a bits and bobs. She loves a supplement. She's like me. She's trying to optimize herself and so am I. She's been using, using vital proteins forever. I've been using it. I'm very excited to be working with this wonderful brand.

Ben Safer (9:45)

Me too. And does she love, does she love like extra gifting? Like you obviously get gifted way too much like, is she appreciative if you were to drop off loose gifting at her house? Because when I tell you, I would say that 99% of brands that send something to me straight to Ava. It doesn't even hit me straight to Ava.

Josh Peck (10:05)

Right?

Ben Safer (10:06)

She. She loves any and all of it. Any and all of it. Sometimes you get too much gifting. Do you send it to her or.

Josh Peck (10:13)

No, because these are civilians, Ben. They're not.

Ben Safer (10:17)

They. Yeah, they love it.

Josh Peck (10:18)

They don't get to taste the fine caviar of life that we. We're. We're getting sucker punched with caviar left and right.

Ben Safer (10:27)

We.

Josh Peck (10:27)

We get more of our fair share. But these women, these pillars, the shoulders that we sit on, they deserve some free element packs too.

Ben Safer (10:36)

They do. And they deserve more than that element. Should really exclusively be gifting mothers. We should put together a Mother's Day campaign. We need to find more than. We have four moms, right? Four, five moms. Barb. We need more. Maybe we like crowdsource. The last time I did this, I ended up venmoing people that didn't deserve the money. I'm off this. I'm off this train. I know Bobby Hoffman was on the podcast. I agreed to send venmos to people that were broke. I ended up sending venmos to people that probably had more money than me. I'm so easily scammed.

Josh Peck (11:05)

That's a problem because people do deserve it, but we can't vet them. So when I get a couple hundred DMs a day about, hey, can I get 900 bucks for my rent? I want to be like, yeah, but can you prove it? So I'm not giving you $900 to buy the new Nintendo Switch, which I want. And they're sold out everywhere, 100%.

Ben Safer (11:23)

You can't trust them. You can't trust them. So, yeah, we're going to do nothing for moms. Fuck em. And no, we love moms. Mothers are just. Mothers are just everything. Like, to watch Claudia with Ruby, it's so. It's so crazy. Unbelievable what women can do. I know. We talk about that every week and everybody's like, shut up already. We get it. But really, it's. It's so amazing. We could never. We think we're great. We could never.

Josh Peck (11:55)

Nah, we're great, Ben. You have no idea. We're a great woman, okay?

Ben Safer (11:58)

We could. We could do it.

Josh Peck (11:59)

We're fucking spectacular.

Ben Safer (12:01)

Okay? Thank you.

Josh Peck (12:02)

Men like us, we're rare. The reason why we're so great is how rare we are. So you. What you're saying is right. You're. You just happen to be listening to Two Exceptions, which is our next podcast, two Exceptions. How to. Yeah. How two quietly gay men are posing.

Ben Safer (12:20)

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Josh Peck (12:27)

Love it.

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Ben Safer (17:09)

Josh, can I tell you something about this past weekend? We took the beautiful Ruby to a carnival. Okay? A gorgeous. Benefiting the firefighters of the Hamptons. Every ride, every dollar, everything went to the fire department. Josh, this carnival was so fucking expensive. Oh, sure. I. No, I. I can't even tell you. I spent $500 at a carnival on. These are like the scariest rides ever. By the way. If you go to carnivals, don't let your kids go on these rides.

Josh Peck (17:44)

Nuts.

Ben Safer (17:45)

Okay? This is my. What are you nuts? I'm doing it early. These rides, they're going to die. They set it up this morning. They haven't QA'd the atomic alien in 250 years. Don't go on them. Way too scary. But I went. I did a couple of, like, the ring tosses. I did the basketball game where you can never get it in the hoop because they make the ball bigger and the hoop smaller. Josh. Three shots, $20.

Josh Peck (18:13)

Nuts.

Ben Safer (18:13)

I got a piece of corn. Corn on the cob. 12 bucks. The most expensive carnival that said benefited the firefighters. I'd love to see the receipts. I'd love to see the new fire engine that was bought, making sure that it didn't just line the pockets of the organizers that said, carnivals are fantastic. Josh. You go, you eat, you play, you, you ride. I ran into the fat Jewish Josh.

Josh Peck (18:37)

Love him.

Ben Safer (18:37)

He was there. He's the best. He's the best. We gave a nice hug, and in true Josh fashion, he said, come a little closer so our dicks can touch, because that's just him.

Josh Peck (18:48)

Josh is the best. And I'm going to. It's so. I'm so glad you brought this up because I almost forgot. I.

Ben Safer (18:54)

He's the best. He's the best.

Josh Peck (18:56)

So the fatuous Josh famously talks about that in the 80s, his mother had sex with Shel Silverstein.

Ben Safer (19:04)

Yes.

Josh Peck (19:07)

The famous kids poetry illustrator and book author for books like where the Sidewalk Ends and whatnot. So it was funny. The other day, I was at Barnes and Noble, which is one of my favorite places to go with my kids, and we were just going through the book section. I was Reading them Where the Sidewalk Ends and on the back. And give me a second. You have to see the back of the book and Shel Silverstein's author photo for a kid's book.

Ben Safer (19:38)

Okay, it's coming, it's coming. It's not here yet. It's still sending.

Josh Peck (19:46)

Mind you, this is on the back of a kid's book of poems. Shel Silverstein's author photo for where the Sidewalk Ends.

Ben Safer (19:56)

Oh, here it is. It came in. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Worth the wait? Absolutely. Google that. That is. I mean, that man definitely slept with Josh's mom. Like, no question. Like, he's. He's out there serving, not disturbing the fat Jewish. Oh, sorry, yes. The fat Jewish.

Josh Peck (20:22)

I don't know. Maybe Barb threw him one a fun time. They went out to Carnegie Deli.

Ben Safer (20:27)

Maybe. Maybe Shell's your dad too. Maybe. Who knows? I know. Can you imagine?

Josh Peck (20:33)

I've told you the story of. Oh, my God. My mom listens to the podcast. You want to hear the story of my conception?

Ben Safer (20:40)

Yes.

Josh Peck (20:41)

From what I know I'm going to leave a lot out because I don't want my half brothers and sisters to find me, but from what I know, my mom went, met with my dad for like a. Like a business, kind of like, he was like, come over, we'll chat, we'll talk business. So she went to his apartment, they talked business, they hooked up, went to the famous Carnegie deli after had pastrami.

Ben Safer (21:09)

Wow. Wow.

Josh Peck (21:11)

And then she didn't tell me this till I was in my late teens. They went back and did it again.

Ben Safer (21:18)

Oh, my. It's horrible that she told you that. It is horrible that your mom put that. Put that image of her stuffing your dad with Russian dressing coming out of the crease of her lip. That's funny.

Josh Peck (21:37)

Sex.

Ben Safer (21:38)

Oh, my God. That honestly is unbelievable. You think they used Russian as lube? Too much.

Josh Peck (21:43)

Gross.

Ben Safer (21:43)

Too much, too much. I'm sorry, Barb. Too much.

Josh Peck (21:47)

Can you imagine? She's like, hold on. Before we go back, let me down this cell, right?

Ben Safer (21:58)

Oh, my God. Legendary Carnegie Deli.

Josh Peck (22:03)

Not there. The famous gigantic sandwich deli of like, I mean, for many years that was like that and Katz's were the two marquee delis of the city, right?

Ben Safer (22:13)

Yes, yes. And now it's just Katz's and then you have the pastrami queens and you have the second Aves. But these are more low key now. Yeah, Carnegie was. Carnegie was up there and now Katz is. I know, we've spoken about them. It's Just so impressive how much pastrami they can sell. So much pastrami they crush.

Josh Peck (22:31)

So I'm thinking now, because we are doing the US Open, I'm flying in Monday night. I'm doing one of those, like, long hauls. Get in midnight Monday night, so I'm not away from the family long. Then we'll meet up at the US Open, 9am we're hanging out recording till like 2 now. You are bringing the wonderful Claudia and Ruby, which I can't wait to meet the young Ruby. But I'm assuming we're not going to be doing dinner at Parkside after now, because you're going to be hustling back to the old hamps, Correct?

Ben Safer (22:59)

This is a. This is. This is. Unfortunately, this is a business trip. We could meet at Parkside for breakfast. We could go there and have a quick spaghetti olive ongo at 9am if you want.

Josh Peck (23:16)

Can you imagine if we had linguine.

Ben Safer (23:18)

And clams at 8am I mean, sounds wonderful.

Josh Peck (23:23)

I agree.

Ben Safer (23:23)

The only thing that would be better is if we had sex before and then after. Oh, yeah. So the U.S. open. I have been thinking, you know, there are some just delicious bites at the US Open, and maybe we incorporate them. We'd have to get the approval of vital proteins, I guess. Or maybe not. Like, Codak has their chicken caviar set up again. Alex Guarnaschelli has a restaurant there. Maybe we bring the best bites of the week from the Open into the pod. Or maybe we just save that for our solo pod that we do separately.

Josh Peck (23:56)

That's hot.

Ben Safer (23:56)

That'll be fun. That's hot, right?

Josh Peck (23:58)

And what's a famous green drink that I'm not allowed to drink because it's alcoholic, but it looks delish.

Ben Safer (24:03)

Josh, this is the. If you were to break. Okay, maybe I do. Of course I'd tell you. Have a spritz Society. That said before that you have to have the Honey Deuce. Yeah, the Honey Deuce is the most delicious. Somewhere between. It's almost. It's in the spirit of a Shirley Temple. I think there's some grenadine in it, but it's honeydew flavored and it's a spritz. It's like a soda. I don't even know what the. What the liquor is. It's like a plum liquor, I think. Oh, this is. This is a delicious, fantastic, fantastic drink. The Honeydews that the US Open has, they sell so much honeydew. I wonder how much they actually sell. How much do you use? Chatgpt. By the way, I do it a lot.

Josh Peck (24:50)

I. I appreciate what a good friend it is.

Ben Safer (24:54)

I use. I haven't used Google in six months.

Josh Peck (24:58)

I like it. I don't. I try not to get it to do. You do menial tasks for me, like, write emails for me and whatnot. But it's so interesting, right? Because, like, I have, you know, like five or six things that I've written over the last, you know, couple years in different forms of finished. And when I've asked it to read, like, 30 pages from something I feel really good about and is good and done, and then 30 pages from something that's definitely a work in progress. And there will be a marked difference of ChatGPT. Like, ChatGPT will know it's always positive, right? It's always like, you know, it gives positive reinforcement. But one, it will be like, this is ready for people to see. Here's why this is all these things. And then the other thing will be like, the. Here are ways in which to possibly clean up some things that might be not working.

Ben Safer (25:54)

That is. That is a spectacular way to use ChatGPT. I have never thought of using it to read long form. I'm equally disturbed as I am astonished that it can do that. I shouldn't be, but considering they're literally using it to, like, for the Air Force, obviously you can read a script. It's just crazy to me. Okay, So I asked ChatGPT Honeydew sales at the US Open as of 2024, the US Open soldier over 550,000 cocktails. Wow. Since its debut in 2007, total cumulative sales have surpassed 2.8 million Honeydews. That's not dollars. That's units. Units. 2024 each drink price of 23 bucks. They did 13 million in sales on just the honeydew during the last U.S. open. I mean, it's. It's. Yeah. And they serve it in this gorgeous souvenir cup.

Josh Peck (26:56)

Josh.

Ben Safer (26:57)

You don't over. You don't pay more for the cup. It's priced in. I always hated when they do that. You go to a ball game and they're like, hey, do you want your Carvel in this sad cup? Or do you want the Yankee helmet or the Mets helmet? It's like, obviously, I want the helmet, but why are you giving anybody the cup? Just price it in. Only serve the helmet. Price it in. They price it in and they give you.

Josh Peck (27:17)

Josh.

Ben Safer (27:18)

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Josh Peck (32:13)

Let's rank melon through the Jonas Brothers. Okay. Watermelon. Joe.

Ben Safer (32:19)

Joe. Joe. Yeah, Watermelons. Joe. Yeah. I would say that. What's the most second most popular melon?

Josh Peck (32:27)

Cantaloupe.

Ben Safer (32:29)

Cantaloupe. Is there even a fourth melon, though? Like, I'm down for Frankie Jonas to be honeydew, but we need three.

Josh Peck (32:38)

Kevin is honeydew. Shout out honeydew.

Ben Safer (32:42)

And Frankie is like a passion fruit.

Josh Peck (32:44)

Shout out Frankie. Shout out the Joe Bros. Dude, my wife is like, about going to go see them when they come to la. Like, she wants to go. She, you know, I know you're going, right?

Ben Safer (32:55)

I told you. No, the concert that I said that I wanted to go to, that I obviously couldn't go to because I have Ruby was the one where they brought out Demi Lovato.

Josh Peck (33:04)

You saw those clips. That hurts.

Ben Safer (33:08)

I missed being a part of the cultural zeitgeist. That's a big word. I could have used that word there. I could have turned to my peers and said, we're in the zeitgeist. Yeah. You know, and they would have said, get out of here, old man.

Josh Peck (33:25)

Zeitgeist sounds like a very elite Nazi fighting force.

Ben Safer (33:29)

Like sending the zeitgeist.

Josh Peck (33:35)

That's huge. You know, my, I, I, I'm friendly with Demi Lovato. She's always been very nice to me. Like in, in our 20s, we hung out a bit and, and I'll never forget, you know, those just moments. I, I'd love to hear if you have one of these with Claudia. I have like two of these with Paige where obviously, like, I'm not, I don't think I'm that guy where like, I hype myself up. If anything, I, I feel at arresting pretty bad about myself at all times. But, you know, I'm dating Paige and we'd been together now it's like, I think we had already. Yeah, we had just gotten married, so it's like 2017 and I'm in Vegas doing a brand deal thing and she's there and she knew and I had mentioned Demi over the years, maybe two or three times. Like, oh, yeah, we've hung out a couple of times. Mutual friends, really. She's very nice. And so anyway, part of the brand deal was we had to go watch Demi's concert at, at the Hard Rock. So we go and it's not had to. We're excited and, and so we're there and I'm like, oh, I wonder if randomly I'll see her something. And Paige is Like, oh, wouldn't it be funny if. And I'm like, yeah, really funny. I'm like, I'm. I'm preparing myself to be completely forgotten and ignored, which would not be Demi's fault. That would just be natural for someone that famous. And now we're really close, right? We're like three rows away, and she's performing and crushing it. And then I don't know when it happened, but in the middle of one of her songs, she sees me and points to me and waves. And I was like, you see that, beige? A real celebrity.

Ben Safer (35:22)

You married big, big man over here, Page.

Josh Peck (35:25)

You know What? I'm putting $20 on the blackjack table. There's more where that came from, honey.

Ben Safer (35:31)

It's just like, why seeing Demi Lovato. Did it make you code switch to being Russian? You see that page? Me and Demi, we are two peas in a pod. Oh, man, that's a great podcast name. Two peas in a pod.

Josh Peck (35:48)

That's gotta exist.

Ben Safer (35:50)

Does it? I don't know. It's pretty good.

Josh Peck (35:52)

It sounds like something that Dear Media would greenlight, and it's not. It's not in the green. They're losing on that one.

Ben Safer (35:59)

Who's starring in Two Peas in a Pod?

Josh Peck (36:02)

I don't know. Just some horrible influencer couple.

Ben Safer (36:06)

Some are terrible, just terrible.

Josh Peck (36:09)

Should we get to some stories?

Ben Safer (36:11)

We should, but quickly. Why didn't we get Demi Lovato on the podcast after this performance? I forgot that you were chummy. No shade on Chicks in the office. Wonderful, wonderful girl. Wonderful girls.

Josh Peck (36:23)

Love them.

Ben Safer (36:23)

They. They got Demi. We could have gotten Demi again. We're the biggest podcast in the world. Just under Joe Rogan getting literally live at the U.S. open. We should have had Demi. Just saying.

Josh Peck (36:35)

I'm going to put this out there. And here's the thing. We are as big as some of the biggest podcasts. But here's where we're different. We're fucking men, Chase. We are a good. The wonderful Isabella merced. We were DMing after she came on the show and she just said she had had a wonderful time on the pod. Because this is what we do.

Ben Safer (36:57)

We.

Josh Peck (36:57)

We honor our guests. We're so lucky to have them.

Ben Safer (37:01)

This is what we do. And you won't know it until you're a guest on the podcast, Sammy Lovato. But we give a wonderful gift bag to. Maybe there's a Rolex in there. Maybe there's just free snacks from Dear Media. You're never going to know unless you get here. Maybe it's a Fig Newton. Maybe it's a Patek. Who knows? But you won't know until you're here.

Josh Peck (37:19)

The problem is, is that we don't really have a proper booker to go get these figures.

Ben Safer (37:26)

No, we don't.

Josh Peck (37:27)

But the other problem is, is that in my business email, I get emails from these. And every time I'm thinking about getting one, I then get an email from one of them pitching me for me to be on one of their podcasts. And I go, this is what you get paid for.

Ben Safer (37:48)

We exclusively recruit a list talent. Josh, would you like to come on the pod?

Josh Peck (37:54)

A list.

Ben Safer (37:56)

So funny. You are a list.

Josh Peck (37:59)

No, I'm a good podcast guest. But, like, you know what we need? We need a guy who knows a guy. Like, we need somebody who's like, in the ear of a couple really cool people. And if they can, if they can deliver, we'll give you a thousand, right?

Ben Safer (38:15)

Jack Reed can't do this. This is the definition of Jack Reed. No, it's not Jack Reed.

Josh Peck (38:19)

I love you, Jack Reed, but I don't know.

Ben Safer (38:22)

He can't do this. He doesn't have. He won't.

Josh Peck (38:24)

We want Trey Kennedy.

Ben Safer (38:26)

No.

Josh Peck (38:29)

Shout out Trey Kennedy. Nice guy, but you know what I'm saying, We're going for the Lovatoes.

Ben Safer (38:33)

I'm not paying $1,000 for Trey Kennedy. And by the way, and Trey Kennedy wouldn't be offended by that. What do you think, Trey Kennedy? What do you think his Bounty is worth? 100?

Josh Peck (38:42)

He's a wonderful, talented young person. I'm a big fan. But we need some like, I mean, look, Taylor Swift's going on Travis Kelce's podcast. It's going to break.

Ben Safer (38:51)

Podcasting, by the way, that was so epic. I couldn't even believe it. I was looking at him like, are you real or is this a high.

Josh Peck (38:59)

Good for him?

Ben Safer (39:00)

She just like, she doesn't even. Oh, yeah. So good. So good. It's crazy. Yeah. No, that will end up being the most listened to podcast episode of all time. Taylor's just never done a podcast.

Josh Peck (39:11)

What's fascinating is as great as that is. And by the way, this is not a criticism of young Travis. This is a criticism of the artistic direction of GQ magazine. Did you see that Shunda of a GQ photo shoot? He did.

Ben Safer (39:25)

I think I did.

Josh Peck (39:26)

Again, to reiterate, big fans of him and Taylor. I love their love. And you know, he is an athlete, so I wouldn't expect him to have any input on the artistic direction. But whatever this was, and I can say this because I'm just never ever going to be in GQ magazine. This was wild.

Ben Safer (39:43)

Yeah, I saw this. I did see this. Insane, right? Yeah. What the hell?

Josh Peck (39:49)

It's just not serious. But it's also not.

Ben Safer (39:55)

Is this our first story? Because it should be. It is Travis. Travis Kelsey in gq wearing. I don't know what the hell he's wearing. On his head, holding an alligator even. What is that?

Josh Peck (40:08)

That one isn't bad. But I'm gonna send you just scroll through these. Like these five.

Ben Safer (40:13)

Oh, this one's terrible. Of him on the. What are they? Water skis? The hover, whatever the that's called. Oh, sweet Jesus. If you guys haven't seen it, Google Travis Kelsey GQ shoot. This is a must see. You know who would have done really great in this shoot instead of Travis Kelsey for gq?

Josh Peck (40:34)

Who?

Ben Safer (40:36)

Josh. The fat Jewish. The fat?

Josh Peck (40:38)

Yeah, the fat Josh. Not this Josh.

Ben Safer (40:40)

Sorry. No, you would have looked at a place. Josh, the fat Jewish would have looked perfect in all those shots. Travis Kelce. You gotta just like throw him in, I don't know, vineyard, vines.

Josh Peck (40:55)

Let him be handsome.

Ben Safer (40:56)

He's a good working kid. Exactly. Yeah. Let him be handsome. Instead of this, like grungy. It was weird. Very weird.

Josh Peck (41:05)

Like if they had. You're so right, Ben. If they had done like a New Mexico shoot, like proper Ralph Lauren. Ralph Liff shits in Taos, New Mexico. Gorgeous double rl Some car heart. Like. And like.

Ben Safer (41:19)

He's clean. Just clean.

Josh Peck (41:21)

Normal.

Ben Safer (41:22)

He's clean. He's clean. It should have been Tom Ford. Tom Ford for Travis Kelce. Put him in a sick suit. Would have looked great. No, this is too much. No good. They were trying to go viral. Too many, too often are brands trying to go viral. Okay, stop trying to go viral. It'll happen or it won't. Just because you try doesn't mean it's going to happen.

Josh Peck (41:42)

I was thinking about doing a sketch about the American. What's it called? The Sydney Sweeney campaign.

Ben Safer (41:49)

American Eagle.

Josh Peck (41:50)

American Eagle. So now like the head of American Eagle, the CEO is like, okay, so we crushed this one. We got to top it. What do we got? And just an ad exec goes, okay, next level. Sydney Sweeney's got great jeans. G E N E S. And it's just guys named jeans. She's just hanging out with dudes named Jean in full day. It's good, it's fun.

Ben Safer (42:11)

Love it. It's fantastic. And then they get most of them. Most of them will be 95 years old. Alta Cocker Jews but you'll have a couple. You'll have a Gene Simmons. You'll have. Who else? Who? Other genes.

Josh Peck (42:24)

Gene Simmons.

Ben Safer (42:25)

Jean Smart. Gene Smart. I love it. I'm in. Is that not amazing? Yeah, it is. Instead. Yeah, it's. American eagle has great genes and it's just a bunch of genes. That's good, Josh. That's really good. And American Eagle, if you steal this, okay, just acknowledge that we came up with it. Okay? We don't need money. Scratch that. We need money and we need recognition. It's a fantastic idea. American eagle has great G E N E S and they're a bunch of genes. So good, Josh. Well done. Well done.

Josh Peck (43:01)

Thank you. I know. Should we get to a speak pipe?

Ben Safer (43:04)

We should.

Josh Peck (43:05)

If you want to ask us a question, get some advice, go to speakpipe.com goodguys don't give us your. What are you nuts? Is. They're not great. Keep it brief. Brevity's key. Let's hear from Eliana.

Sif Heider (43:18)

Hey, good guys. I'll keep it brief because I know brevity is key, but my family and I are all obsessed with you guys and I want you to come to my wedding. With that being said, my fiance and I both have last names that are super Jewish and both end in man, just three letters apart. I always thought I'd keep my name like my mom did, but mine's a pretty basic Jewish last name and now I'm torn. So this question is really for Ben. How did that conversation go with Claudia when she decided to keep her last name? Was it a thing or was it a non issue? Love you guys. Thanks.

Ben Safer (43:53)

I think it's a little bit unique because my wife is super famous. Like, I would never want to do anything that would hurt her, like recognition in her career. I think that when Ruby goes to school, like we've always discussed that, like, she'll be like, it's like Mr. And Mrs. Offer coming in for parent teacher conferences. So, like, she's not formally changing it, but she's going to use it when it matters. Ruby's last name is. Is softer. Like, I think it's more. It's more career driven than anything else. That said, if you want to keep your name, I think that the. The tougher conversation for the guy, or at least for me, would be if she. If you don't want your children to have your husband's name, that would be a much harder conversation for me. But personally, I don't care. Like, if you want to go by Claudia Ashrae or Claudia Ashrae Safra or Claudia Safer? It doesn't matter to me. So I think it's just more what matters. What matters to him. I don't know if you feel differently, Josh, but.

Josh Peck (44:54)

I think it's a case by case. I feel no need for it. Funny enough, I have Paige and my phone as Paige o' Brien because it's the way that I met her. And so it makes me happy when I see her name come up. It reminds me of when we first met, that I never changed it, but when we got married, she got rid of her middle name, made her last name her middle name. So she's Paige o' Brien Peck. So it's like, that's a good medium, too.

Ben Safer (45:19)

Yeah, totally. So I think it's. It's whatever feels comfortable, but I think that if you want to keep your last name, you should keep your last name. Like, if it's something that makes you feel really sad that you're like, losing a part of yourself. Yeah, don't lose it. I actually really like what Paige did. Like the. The hyphen. Hyphen. It's essentially a hyphen.

Josh Peck (45:38)

It's a joke.

Ben Safer (45:39)

You could replace the middle. Yeah. But, yeah, whatever makes you feel comfortable. You shouldn't feel like you're losing something just because you're being with somebody else. Sorry, did it sound like I've a frog caught in my throat all of a sudden? I'm having like an allergy attack.

Josh Peck (45:54)

Take two Zyrtec, quick.

Ben Safer (45:56)

I took one this morning. Hello. Hello. That's better. That's better. That's better. That's better.

Josh Peck (46:01)

Next question from. I must stash you a question.

Ben Safer (46:05)

Pretty good.

Sif Heider (46:05)

Hey, good guys. Huge moron here. I have a question for you. My husband has decided that it's the year of the mustache. He's like fully grown it out, handlebars and everything. He's obsessed with it. He spends like all morning grooming it and everything. I personally prefer him without a mustache. He's usually, like, clean shaven, but he likes it. Whatever. My question is that my brother's wedding is coming up and he's decided he's going to keep it until the end of the year. So he's going to keep it for the wedding. I'm just wondering, do you guys think this is, like a trend that's going to fade and you might look back and regret it, or should he just stick with it? You know, it's kind of hard to tell without seeing his face, but people are kind of like 50, 50 split on whether they like It. But he listens to pods, so. Just wanted to know your thoughts on this mustache trend and what to do in a big event like a wedding. Love you guys.

Ben Safer (46:58)

You're gonna look back and think you looked so dumb. Like it's, it's like, it's like, it's like me during COVID I tried to grow out a beard. There are some people that are built for beards, just like there are some people that are built for mustaches. Mustaches don't just come. Okay. You're built for a mustache or you're not built for a mustache. You're built for a beard or you're not built for a beard. I tried to grow up my beard during COVID Claudia would say, can you shave? Can you shave? And I'd say, no, I'm growing out my beard. What do you mean, should I, Why should I shave? I look great. I look back, I look like literally homeless. Like, I can't, because I can't grow a beard the way that people can grow beards. Some people, they grow in really nice and thick. Mine was all patchy and just like so yucky. If your mustache looks truly amazing, your wife would know that. I think so. For a wedding where you're going to take pictures, I think you're going to look back in five years and wish that you didn't have it. Josh.

Josh Peck (47:55)

I agree. I think unless you're a pilot, a bounty hunter, or like the CEO of an Indiana based company, I think it's probably going to be hard to pull off the mustache. I know, it's fun. Here's the thing. Those photos are forever. And you won't regret being clean, classically shaven, and then bring the mustache back. But my issue with mustaches and facial hair in general is like, don't make it your fucking personality king unless you're born that way.

Ben Safer (48:28)

Do you know what I mean? You're either born mustache man or you're not. There are like six people that are born mustache man. You walk into a bar and you meet an old Texan with a handlebar mustache.

Josh Peck (48:38)

Sure.

Ben Safer (48:39)

He came out that way in the fucking womb, ok? He didn't decide. One day I'm going to grow out a mustache to piss off my wife. That's not the way that it works. He was born with facial hair.

Josh Peck (48:49)

100%, that's all.

Ben Safer (48:52)

Were you born with facial hair, bub? I don't think so.

Josh Peck (48:55)

You gotta pick.

Ben Safer (48:55)

Shave it.

Josh Peck (48:56)

You gotta pick and choose. I remember I was when I did that cold weather western in Romania, we Had full beards. The timber, you can see it, it's not great. And me and my, my friend James, the other actor, he was like, oh, you know, I'm gonna go to Istanbul with my girlfriend before I fly back to la. You know, it's only an hour flight from here, we should go. And I said, great. And so I went and we had these big bushy beards and so we both decided to just shave a mustache in for our trip to Istanbul. And it's the best decision I ever made.

Ben Safer (49:31)

Wow. Wow. Yeah.

Josh Peck (49:33)

Walking around the Grand Bazaar. Me, a half Sephardi Jew, walking around Istanbul with a mustache. I felt like I was in the Mossad.

Ben Safer (49:41)

Yeah, it's the best if you can do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I look really dumb. Really dumb. Meanwhile, Bruce safer without his goatee. He looks naked there. He looks fantastic with it. He was born to wear a goatee. Me no tea.

Josh Peck (49:58)

Some are goatee.

Ben Safer (50:00)

No tea.

Josh Peck (50:01)

Next one is from Lizzie.

Sif Heider (50:04)

Hey guys. Big moron, big toaster. Probably one of your few Canadian non Jewish listeners and love you guys so much. You're my comfort podcast. I just really appreciate everything you guys do. Always bring a light heartedness to my day that is much needed. I'm gonna get right into it now. I am a friend of Bill, so I am sober. I stopped drinking when I was 24, I'm 28 now. And my dilemma is a lot of my friends I met after my addiction or wasn't really close with during my addiction. So they treat me like I'm some holier than thou goody two shoes. Like that they have to hide a part of them around me. Like they have to hide their drinking stories, have to hide when they're hungover, have to hide if they had a big night and I'm like, hey, I can hang. I used to drink more than all of you combined. I love it. That was the problem. So I just want to be like not awkward or dumb to feel not awkward around me. Sometimes I'll offer to not drink or they won't drink when they're around me and I'm like, hey, like it makes me more awkward that you're not drinking, so please do. And they always decline, even though I know they want to anyways. And so just any advice on how to handle that situation would be amazing. And Ben, I would love to hear your input too. Love you guys and bh, love you.

Ben Safer (51:22)

What a. What a wonderful woman. Bh. You wanna go first, Josh?

Josh Peck (51:26)

Sure. So in case anyone's wondering. Bill Wilson is one of the founders of Alcoholics Anonymous, and it's sort of our little code in. In the world that if you say, oh, I'm a friend of Bill's, or sometimes you might hear it, like, on a plane or. Or. Or an announcement made, like, oh, is anyone here a friend of Bill's? If someone's struggling with their sobriety, and you can kind of say, like, hey, how can I help? Yeah, look, I think it's just a really clear and honest conversation, like, set the record straight. So going forward, you know, that if they still act like, you know, and God bless them for being almost too empathetic and too sensitive that they want to honor your sobriety, I think that's like, a net positive. But when it gets a little bit overdone, I think you can just set the record straight. And then if they keep going overboard with it, you kind of go, it is what it is. I've clearly communicated where I met and what my needs are. Conversely, I mean, people have really funny reactions to it. I remember my buddy Brian, for years when I was sober, he would be like, one day, bro, I'm gonna have to get sober. And he did. And I remember being like, I hope it's sooner than later, bruh. And he's doing great. I've also had friends, me and my buddy Len, who are both sober. We've been around especially, like, Russian cats going to parties and stuff. And they'll be like. They'll, like, you know, like, they want you to drink, they want you to do drugs, or at least the crowds that we hang out with. And. And when you say, like, actually, bro, I'm sober, and then you say, like, I have some substantial sobriety, they'll be like, bro, no. Had no idea, bro. And then they'll pour a shot and go, I want to toast to your sobriety. God bless you, homie. I'm gonna do a bump in the bathroom to honor your 10 years, homie. Okay, thanks. And then it becomes a lot cool. Don't let this fool drink. Give me his drinks. This fool is sober, dog. Pretty good.

Ben Safer (53:32)

That is so funny. I have a slightly different thought, which is. I guess it depends on the environment, but, like, when we go out to dinner, have I. Maybe I've had a drink once, and that's not because I. I don't want to drink alone.

Josh Peck (53:51)

Sure.

Ben Safer (53:52)

Like. And maybe that's just, like, me not having issues with drinking. I'm a very social drinker. I'll never drink. I don't Drink in my house. I don't drink alone. I'm not. I just. That's not fun for me. Like, what's fun is I'd love to go to that party with that guy and take a couple of shots of whatever $1 vodka. He's not Stoli. What's the. What's that classic Russian vodka.

Josh Peck (54:16)

Stoli. Stolich now.

Ben Safer (54:18)

No, no, there's a cheaper one. I don't remember the name. Like, burns like gasoline. There's like a classic plastic bottle Russian vodka.

Josh Peck (54:26)

Oh, is it something nav.

Ben Safer (54:29)

I could probably ask Chatgpt. But you know the bottle that I'm talking about college and I. Yeah. So I think that it's. No.

Josh Peck (54:39)

Okay.

Ben Safer (54:41)

No. I don't know the name. But look, moral of the story is like, if. If all that your friends want to do is drink, they might not be the right friends for you right now. But I think that great friends have fun. Not drinking always was just my only comment. Like, I. Just because I do drink doesn't mean that we can't have fun when I'm not drinking. You're not real friends if you only have fun when you're drinking, you realize like, once you come out of it, I'm sure you have this. Like, you had your party friends. Even me not being sober, I'll look back 10 years ago, and I drank a lot more and went to clubs. Like, I had people that I only spoke to when I wanted to party. And you misconstrue party friends for real friends. And then you realize, like, your real friends, you can like go on a walk with. With your kids or go to a game or go to dinner. And it doesn't have to revolve around drugs and alcohol.

Josh Peck (55:34)

So true. Should we get to our Woody Nuts?

Ben Safer (55:37)

We should. Even though I gave mine earlier, but I'll double down on it again.

Josh Peck (55:40)

Our Woody Nuts moment of the week are gripes with people, places and things both big and small. Whatever's sticking in your crop.

Ben Safer (55:46)

Ben, I just. These carnival rides, ok, these carnival rides, first of all, you go to like a Six Flags Josh, you go to a Disney World, they have height limits, weight limits, age limits. These people, you give them 10 bucks, you bring in your newborn to this thing, it doesn't matter to them. Like, the second that you step foot in there, there's no liability anymore. Like, these rides are so scary. These rides are so dangerous. It is a complete. What are you nuts? To let your children on these rides? Sorry. Do not let your children on local carnival rides. Even the Ferris wheel gives me a little bit of the heebie jeebies because you're so high up. And they put it together today. It's a traveling carnival. What if they missed a screw? Like, it's not like it's erected. What a strange word. And sits up there for years. Right, right. Like it's not. Like, at the end of the night, Josh, at Disney World, they take down the Ferris wheel. It's there. Imagine packing it up and putting it back together again. If I ask you every day, Josh, for the next 365 days to build a Lego, break it down, put it back together again, you don't think you'd lose a piece?

Josh Peck (57:01)

You lose.

Ben Safer (57:01)

I do. I think you'd lose some pieces.

Josh Peck (57:04)

Okay.

Ben Safer (57:04)

And what. And what if that piece is literally what's keeping you in the air? Don't. Don't. You're going to die. Okay. Don't. What are you nuts?

Josh Peck (57:14)

Okay, my Woody Nuts moment of the week is the other day. I saw a license plate holder on this car, and it said, Guam, where America's day begins. Because I would imagine on the date line that Guam is the closest to the date line and thus America, because it is an American territory, the day begins in Guam. To which I'd say, wow, sick.

Ben Safer (57:49)

So dumb.

Josh Peck (57:50)

Oh, damn, I didn't know. Like, okay, Guam.

Ben Safer (57:57)

What are you nuts?

Josh Peck (57:58)

Like, this is nothing to be proud of.

Ben Safer (58:00)

Nothing at all. This is nothing at all. Completely nuts. You know what else I love, Josh? This podcast.

Josh Peck (58:06)

Yes.

Ben Safer (58:06)

And if you don't give it five stars, what are you, nuts? Listen to us. Wherever you get your podcasts, watch us on YouTube, share our clips, Instagram and TikTok Mondays and Thursdays. See you next time.

Sif Heider (58:24)

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