Gas Station "Supplements", Steroids, & Other Lies

Summary

Good Guys Podcast Episode Summary

Episode Title: Gas Station "Supplements", Steroids, & Other Lies
Hosts: Josh Peck, Ben Soffer
Guest: Ben Greenfield (biohacker, longevity expert)
Date: March 23, 2026
Podcast Network: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into fitness fads, gas station supplements (especially dubious “dick pills”), celebrity steroid use, biohacking shortcuts, and the complicated relationship people have with both “mainstream” and alternative medicine. Hosts Josh Peck and Ben Soffer are joined by health expert Ben Greenfield for a wide-ranging, provocative, and consistently funny conversation that also touches on modern gym culture, happiness, and some listener conundrums about leftovers and shared cheese.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Contingency Plans & The "Simple Life" (00:03–04:00)

• Josh jokes about being "canceled" and how his backup plan involves moving to a second or third-tier city, living off investments, and doing Instacart gigs.
• Ben reflects on the appeal of a slower, rural life but admits he's addicted to the excitement and learning that comes from his work and entrepreneurship.
• Both agree: Fantasy retirement is often simpler and more appealing than their actual “dream” lives, but neither is sure they'd really go through with it.

Memorable moment:

• Josh: "I'd just get a kick ass house for 850 grand paid off and raise these kids, live that good life..." (01:21)
• Ben: "I'd have a garden, I'd definitely have a pet goat." (03:24)

2. Perspective on Work & Service Jobs (04:00–07:08)

• The hosts debate whether complaining about work (especially in retail or minimum wage jobs) is productive or just brings others down.
• Josh shares a story about experiencing rude entitlement from consumers during a promotional event, highlighting how difficult customer-facing jobs really are.

Notable quote:

• "People deal with this sometimes eight hours a day, and it's crushing." – Josh [06:54]

3. The Modern Fitness Obsession & Biohacking with Ben Greenfield (09:09–11:56)

• Ben Greenfield (guest) shares his routine: minimal but intense workouts (single set to failure), lots of walking, routine hot/cold therapy.
• Greenfield emphasizes quality and intensity over workout length, citing studies that short bursts of vigorous activity can have significant health impacts if paired with an otherwise active life.

Top insight:

• "Vigorous intensity exercise for 10 minutes a day actually won out [for lowering mortality] ... But if you have a sedentary lifestyle, you probably have to do more than like 15 minutes a day." – Ben Greenfield [11:02]

4. Celebrity Physiques, Steroids, and Performance Enhancers (17:21–23:36)

• Discussing Hollywood “superhero” bodies (Zac Efron, Chris Hemsworth, etc.), Ben Greenfield explains that beyond training, many actors are allotted significant time and often use hormonal/peptide enhancements (TRT, peptides, sometimes even dangerous anabolic steroids).
• Impact of illicit or “gray-area” supplements, especially regarding organ/kidney health and blood pressure.
• Both male and female performance enhancement discussed—with a focus on visible side effects in women (“cannonball shoulders, super strong jawline”).

Notable quote:

• "You get a really nice body and then like high blood pressure and kidney failure..." – Ben Greenfield [18:36]

• Discussion of reality TV “super athletic women” spawns a chat about how to spot steroid use in both genders.

5. Do Shortcuts Really Work? EMS & the Limits of Biohacking (23:36–25:22)

• Ben Greenfield discusses electrical muscle stimulation suits as a genuine time-saving “hack” for building muscle, effective but makes you very sore.
• Hosts debate if they even want to be more “jacked” or happier as they are. Ben notes the strangeness of gym culture given that movement used to be a necessary part of life, not something artificially added for health.

Notable moment:

• “For most of our lives...we gardened and hunted and foraged... [now] we have to fabricate this false environment to put our muscles under strain.” – Ben Greenfield [25:42]

6. Gas Station Supplements & Penis Enhancement Fads (28:06–31:23)

• Greenfield recounts a Men’s Health investigation where he tried every “gas station dick pill,” confirming most contain disguised Viagra/Cialis (prescription meds) plus massive doses of caffeine/ephedra.
• These “supplements” may cause dangerous side effects—basically like chugging four energy drinks with Viagra.

Memorable moment:

• "It's basically like having four energy drinks all at once along with a Viagra." – Ben Greenfield [29:42]

7. Medicine: Allopathic vs. Alternative – Can You Trust Either? (31:23–37:55)

• Greenfield and the hosts discuss the limitations of conventional medicine and the rise in popularity of alternative providers.
• Ben G. explains why insurance discourages “too much” preventive testing, and why high-quality diagnostics & individualized care are usually “out of pocket” (concierge).
• Warns audiences not to blindly follow underqualified naturopaths or extreme alternative practitioners who veer into anti-science dogma. Medicine and nutrition are both prone to “baby talk” and dogmatism.

Standout quotes:

• "A lot of medical education, unfortunately, is sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry...a drug first approach." – Ben Greenfield [33:13]
• "Anything related to health can be very dogmatic—medicine, nutrition, etc. The best approach is to step back... and figure out which professional is best..." – Ben Greenfield [37:46]

8. Moron Mail: Leftovers, Cheese Etiquette, and Food Waste (43:00–48:46)

• Advice to listeners:
  • Is refusing leftovers “crazy”? Ben and Josh agree that homemade food keeps better than delivery, and food waste is rampant.
  • How to deal with a roommate eating shredded cheese straight from the bag? Both agree—gross if shared, otherwise, let people live.

Notable exchange:

• "Your hand—look, you're making me uncomfortable. Hands and cheese...this is not sanitary." – Ben [47:27]

9. Pet Peeves: “What Are You, Nuts?” Segment (48:49–55:37)

• Josh rails against food influencers who make a brand out of trashing restaurants, especially mom-and-pops, emphasizing how tough the restaurant biz really is.
• Ben’s gripe: Daylight savings and why we should just pick the current (more sunlight) time and stick with it.

Quotes:

• "I think it's super hypes restaurants almost to an extent where the restaurant could never live up to it, even if it is great...they don’t need your kitschy social media tearing them down." – Josh [50:45]
• "It's not seasonal depression. It's the fucking clock. The clock is causing your seasonal depression." – Ben [55:13]

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Notable Quotes and Timestamp Highlights

• On efficient workouts:
  "I do a lot of that single set to failure training...vigorous intensity exercise for 10 minutes a day actually won out."
  – Ben Greenfield [09:42 and 11:02]

• On celebrity steroid use:
  "You get a really nice body and then high blood pressure and kidney failure..."
  – Ben Greenfield [18:36]

• On dogmatic medicine/nutrition:
  "Anything related to health...can be very dogmatic. The best approach is to step back and say, what problem am I trying to solve?"
  – Ben Greenfield [37:46]

• On influencer negativity:
  "They don’t need you and your kitschy bullshit social media tearing their food down...No brand wants to work with someone negative."
  – Josh [50:45]

• On daylight savings:
  "It's the fucking clock. The clock is causing your seasonal depression."
  – Ben [55:13]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Contingency plan for getting canceled / slow life fantasy: 00:03–04:00
• Minimum wage/gig work reflections: 04:00–07:08
• Ben Greenfield fitness & workout routines: 09:09–11:56
• Celeb physiques, steroids, peptide stacks: 17:21–23:36
• EMS suits & making gym life easier: 23:36–25:22
• Gas station “supplements” exposé: 28:06–31:23
• Conventional vs. alternative medicine debate: 31:23–37:55
• Leftovers & food waste (Moron Mail): 43:00–44:53
• Shredded cheese etiquette (Moron Mail): 46:48–48:46
• Food influencer negativity rant: 48:49–53:38
• Daylight savings rant: 54:08–55:37

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Tone & Style

The episode is relentlessly conversational, irreverent, and laced with self-deprecation and sarcasm. Both hosts and their guest are unafraid to be vulnerable or poke fun at themselves—as well as at the absurdities of wellness, diet culture, and social media. Serious health and wellness advice gets filtered through real-world skepticism and comedy.

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Conclusion

This episode of Good Guys offers a unique blend of wellness mythbusting and hilariously honest takes on men’s health, gym culture, and how easy it is to go astray with shortcuts—from gas station pills to influencer diets. At its core, the message is one of moderation, skepticism, and finding what really makes you happy (in and out of the gym). Plus: always check who’s sharing your shredded cheese.

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For more:

• Guest’s website: BenGreenfieldLife.com
• Show notes and to send listener mail: goodguyspodcast1mail.com

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Transcript

[A]

Masomorons. Welcome back to the Good Guys podcast.

[B]

Josh, do you have a contingency plan for when and if you get canceled?

[A]

I 100% have a contingency plan for when and if I get canceled. And honestly, I'm looking forward to it. Go to the intro to Jews Both Big and Tall. No subject too small for the Good Guys. A Mother Stream premium podcast team. Make it your weekly routine. It's a Good Guys. And if you don't care, give us five stars. What are you nuts? What are you nuts?

[B]

Yeah, we're the Good Guys.

[A]

They have the great guys. We're just the good and good and the good guys.

[B]

Whoa. Well, I mean that I want to know.

[A]

My contingency plan is this. Thank God. By the grace of God, I have enough scratch in the bank to where I could kick off a low six figure number just from investments. It's called clipping coupons, my boy. H B H, we move to a wonderful second tier city. I'm talking Boise. I'm talking Little Rock.

[B]

These are not second tier Little Rock. Little Rock is sixth tier. I love Little Rock, but I'm a big Arkansas guy.

[C]

Love it.

[A]

I'm talking bulletin. I'll move near the Walmart headquarters and. And I would just get a kick ass house for 850 grand paid off and raise these kids, live that good life like. And I'd find some like gig work. I'm trying to think. My buddy does Instacart and honestly, it sounds fabulous. I love an errand.

[B]

So does that life that you just described. I'm thinking about it. Does that not sound like the ideal life?

[A]

Heaven kind of does.

[C]

So.

[B]

And why are we treating heaven as a contingency plan? Like, okay, we're done. You can stop working. You can live off of the land, meaning your investments. You can go and get a house, never see anybody again.

[A]

But here's. But let me flip this on you, right? Cause you and your beautiful wife Claudia could really do it, right? Only because you both podcast. The primary source of income for Claude is podcast. I hope I'm not speaking out of school, but it's a monster, you know, it crushes. And maybe if you sort of delegated the spritz stuff, the in person spritz stuff to someone and you just handled it on the phone and did the pod, you guys could do it too. Like tomorrow.

[B]

The thing is, we need to find something in the middle. I love working. It's a passion of mine. Like spritz society is so fun. It's like learning A new skill, like learning a new industry, building something new. Podcasting for me is relatively new. I think that's why I love it. I'm just continuously learning and doing so. I couldn't just be on a farm and never leave. I couldn't. I love the. This, like, whether. Whether that's a good thing or not a good thing. I love this, like, faster life. I don't know if I'm built for such a slow life. Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, maybe it's just because I've never done it. Maybe I would love it if I got into it, but at least for right now, like, thinking about just that. But you know what? I'd have a garden. I'd have my horses. I'd definitely have a pet goat.

[A]

You can go into town, dog.

[C]

Nah.

[B]

Who wants to go into town?

[A]

You don't have to stay on the farm. It's not the 1900s.

[B]

You can go to town, Nike, hang out with the peeps.

[A]

Okay, yeah, you can go to a Sam Goody, buy a cd. You could, like, hit up a UPS store and be like, what's up, Kareem? And he's like, nothing much. I hate my job.

[B]

Be like, yeah, I don't, I don't. And why'd you need to tell me that, Josh? Why does he need to tell me that he hates his job? Yesterday, I forget where I was. I'm like, hey, oh, I was at Barnes and Noble checking out. We got some wonderful toys for Ruby. And just like, a quick comment, I was like, what's going on? How are you? He's like, another day. I'm like, can you stop it? Okay, like, be happy or don't tell me that you're unhappy. I'm not gonna tell you that I'm unhappy. Right.

[C]

You need to push that on a stranger, Josh,

[A]

working for minimum wage is rough. Great rough. Ben, you've got the life, okay?

[B]

Like, do something about it. I don't know. I don't think it gets better by saying, like, another day, another dollar. I don't think that makes life better, Josh. I know plenty of very happy people that work at Starbucks. Like the lovely woman Starbucks. At Barnes and Noble that helped me with picking Ruby's toys. This was. This was a toy savant.

[C]

She knew everything.

[B]

She was amazing. Just saying, just saying.

[A]

You can choose your joy for sure, but it's. It's rough, brother. And you've never had a job like that, right?

[B]

A minimum wage job, like I have, but not. It doesn't count. Like, working in Working in a summer camp for minimum wage doesn't count. It's not the same thing. But, like, I have no. Or working for. I worked for $8 an hour for a dentist. It's, again, not the same thing, though, not working. Like, I didn't work at Starbucks. I didn't work at Barnes and Noble. I didn't work conversing with people like that for minimum wage, especially for years.

[C]

For sure.

[B]

I'm sure it is.

[A]

And you can definitely make it great. I told you this story on the POD before. My wife used to work for this jewelry and apparel brand. And the apparel brand, it was like, a sweater that would put, like, different sayings on them. It was called Shop Private Party. And so they did this big party. And the thing was, people were coming in and they would be able to customize the sweatshirt they were gonna get. And then when they left, we would, like, press it there. And then when they left, they'd get this sweatshirt. And so, of course, we got backed up because it was horribly set up. Like, we just didn't realize how quickly and how many people. And so I jump in to help. Cause that's me, right? But I'm also, like, whether I like it or not and whether I think I'm the most down to earth that one could be. A part of me is like, I'm Josh Peck. Not about not doing it. I want to help. I was reminded that I walk around with a certain level of, like, privilege of people's reaction to me because it was kind of dark and my hat was on, and I'm there helping. And when I tell you the amount of fucking mean, mean girls who are like, where's my sweatshirt? I'm like, bitch, this is free. Like, I'm like, we're backed up. But they were like, I wanna leave, and I want my free thing. And I was like, people deal with this sometimes eight hours a day, and it's crushing.

[B]

Terrible. Terrible. Yeah, yucky. Well, if you don't like your job, I hope you try and find a different job. I know you can't always do it, but I can hope. Josh, you know what I also hope? I hope that people love our. We have the great Ben Greenfield, popping in. Health expert.

[C]

Triathlete.

[B]

Mono athlete. No, that would be the opposite.

[C]

Whatever.

[B]

Quint athlete. He's done so many of the leets. He is a biohacker extraordinaire. And, yeah, Josh, he's just.

[C]

He's it.

[B]

I can't wait to talk to him.

[A]

He's a mensch. He's a fellow tribesman. Kind of. Not really, but he's been in my life. You know, I interviewed him on my first podcast on the Curious podcast, and then we stayed in each other's life. He gave me the great Craig Conover doctor that I gave you.

[B]

My God. So I owe it all to Ben Greenfield.

[A]

You owe it all? I gave you Craig Conover, M.D. you gave me Craig Conover. Sexy, sexy, sexy. That's right. You gave me the Southern charm reality star.

[B]

I did. Let me tell you, those shades look so fantastic. I know that you're working on your lower half. Whatever you're doing. Trampoline or you're working on your lower half. Me And Josh, formerly 300 pounders, we got legs. I bet you my legs are bigger than yours. I'm not. I don't do what you're doing. I'm born with these tree trunks. You want to see my legs? Look at this leg. This is called. This is called.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

You didn't really ask permission, carrying around £300.

[A]

What?

[B]

Can I show you? Does this work?

[D]

It's not often you get such a good waist down during a gym. Wow, look at that.

[A]

Look at this, look at that.

[B]

That's a good deep stretch.

[D]

All right, well,

[B]

Josh is naked.

[D]

Yeah, Josh. I can. I can. I can't even see. I can't even see tendons. I see tendons on Josh.

[A]

All joking aside, Ben s. Ben Greenfield would smoke us so hard in every physical. Let's start with this. Here's what I find fascinating. Tell me if I'm wrong, Ben. You do. You're. You are, like, less than 10% body fat. You're in incredible, brilliant shape, but you do, like, the shortest workouts ever, right?

[D]

I mean, it kind of depends on your definition of short, but, yeah, I don't. I don't, like, live in the gym as much as I'd like to, but you do.

[A]

Like, you. You said, like, what's a normal workout? 35 minutes? 30.

[D]

Yeah. So, for example, like, I'm a huge fan of single set to failure to training, where you do just one set, but you completely exhaust the muscle. And you can make a pretty good case for building strength and hypertrophy or muscle with that method. And I mean, the flip side with any of these things is there's no shortcut. Right? Because it's harder. I mean, you kind of hurt more during high intensity interval training than you do during an hour long run, but you can get a lot more fitness in the bank in a lot shorter period of time. So like, perfect day for me. I'm walking a lot, like on my treadmill right now. And then three days a week I lift weights and I do a lot of that single set to failure training. And then three days a week I'll do like a 20 minute, like hit cardio session. And then I do sauna and cold pretty much every day.

[C]

Love that.

[B]

That's my specialty, the sauna and cold. I skip everything else that you just said. I just do the sauna and cold. But Ben, people say, and by people, I mean TikTok that you can learn. What is it? You can learn an instrument by practicing it 15 minutes a day. Do you think that if you just worked out 15 minutes a day every day for the year, you would see a dramatic amount of improvement?

[D]

There's a study that came out last week that showed that the biggest reduced risk of all cause mortality. That's like the risk of dying from anything. When they compared low intensity for a long time and moderate intensity for like 30 to 40 minutes and vigorous intensity for 10 minutes, that vigorous intensity exercise for 10 minutes a day actually won out. So kind of the short answer is yes. But then it's not like an excuse to sit on your ass all day. Like, if you have an active lifestyle and you're taking the stairs and whatever, parking farther away in the parking lot and maybe using a walking treadmill or, I don't know, you have a job like Josh does as a gardener or a construction worker. Yeah, of course, then you could get away with like a really short amount of high intensity exercise per day. But if you have a sedentary lifestyle, you probably have to do more than like 15 minutes a day.

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[A]

So for like the true Adonises, not just like Ben S and myself, but for like the Hollywood famous ones who are the and we have the wonderful Olivia here, our producer who are like the top Three archetypes. Is it Zac Efron? Are we talking Chris Hemsworth? What are we, what are we talking here? The guy from Jack Reacher, Alan Ritchson, like what's their secret sauce? A little bit of trt.

[B]

What are we thinking?

[D]

Oh, well, I mean there's, there's a few things going on when you're talking about like an actor or actress, A if they're prepping for a role, they're typically being allotted a significant amount of time to prepare for that role if there's a physical change that's necessary for it. So a lot of times you've got like an extra. I mean, gosh, I've worked with some people who literally have like three hours in the morning to be able to devote to just body composition changes. So time is a big factor. And yeah, like joking aside, trt, Andro peptides like Tessamorelin and Ipamorelin, like metabolic fat burning agents, like a lot of that stuff gets stacked and I like the one that I worry about most would basically be like a steroid, you know, like, you know, like nandrolone or something like that. Just because those are the ones that get you that really thick, like in the case of a guy superhero look really fast. And those are also the ones that can produce a lot of cardiovascular strain and make your blood thick and be super stressful on your kidneys so you get a really nice body and then like high blood pressure and kidney failure, you know, and risk of long term organ damage. So there's a little bit of a trade off.

[A]

Yolo. But are women doing that? Like, what about like, you know, there's plenty of female superheroes, like, can they have the same approach, taking steroids?

[D]

Yeah, I mean they're always. Men have more, what are called androgen receptors. So men are always going to be a little bit more receptive in this case to steroids, testosterone, anything like that. But women, I mean, they can still pack on muscle with the right approach. I mean a lot of women, a lot of women fear the gym. So like I'm get bulky. It's hard for a woman to get bulky even if you're doing like creatine protein. Creatine and protein and lifting heavy weights. But then if you do throw in, let's say like testosterone and some androgenic aid, you know, steroid. You, I mean, you guys have probably seen like bodybuilding shows where women look like they could just like shove your head into a trash can and they have a nice low, you know, like

[B]

a tenor voice that's my type.

[D]

Oh, like you can do it. You can do it.

[A]

Oh, man. The women's bobsled team.

[B]

Sorry, Ben, did you watch the season of Traders?

[D]

Trader Joe's.

[B]

So Traders is a popular TV show that Josh hates, but there is a woman on it. Her name is Natalie. Okay. Natalie was formerly on Survivor and this is the strongest woman I've ever seen. So if you don't know what she looks like, it's hard to answer the question, but I want to know what the fuck she's on.

[A]

Does she look like a crossfitter? Ben?

[C]

Yes.

[D]

The dead giveaway with steroids is. It's kind of funny. Like, I interviewed this guy on my podcast and if I give enough specifics, you could probably figure out who it was. And he had like this elastic band that he was selling and he was selling a 10 minute workout a day with. If you do just this one full body workout with the elastic bands and he's like, that's all you need, bro. But he had like cannonball shoulders, a really thick jaw, super furrowed eyebrows.

[B]

Liver King.

[D]

He was bald and. No. And good guess.

[B]

Is that guy still alive?

[D]

And basically.

[B]

Is Liver King dead? Can we pause? Is Liver King dead? Did he die?

[D]

Not yet.

[B]

I don't think he's alive anymore. Or he's swimming in IRS debt. I don't know what's going on over there. There's something with the Liver King that never.

[D]

I think he's still driving a tank down through Texas somewhere. But. But then if you look at women, so. So this Natalie Grive has seen her. But you can see a lot of the same things. Like super strong jawline.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Thread brow. Typically the shoulders are super round. And then like if you look at the abs, a lot of times the cut in the abs is super deep or there's almost like protrusion. Like, you ever see the bodybuilders and they kind of look like they're.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Pregnant. A little bit like from the side. That's usually like some kind of really high use of growth hormone or steroids.

[B]

So the show traders didn't. There was no bare midriff. We didn't get to see her abdomen. I did certainly see the shoulders. I did see that incredibly chiseled jaw. I did see the eyebrows for sure. She was on. Well, I need you to see a picture. This was the strongest woman I've ever seen. So it's good to know that she was on steroids. That makes sense now.

[D]

Yeah. She wasn't just ordering her salad without the croutons. And a little extra chicken. Yeah.

[A]

And the good news is, at my local Equinox, they call me Baby Shoulders, so I'm not on steroids.

[D]

There you go.

[A]

It hurts my feelings.

[D]

That or you just really suck on the steroids.

[A]

Ben takes steroids when he doesn't work out.

[B]

Ben suck. He was making fun of you, and then it hit me.

[A]

No, no, I don't mean to give you a stray. Remember you said that you're like, I want to do the steroid.

[B]

That's why I said that.

[A]

I.

[B]

Cold plunge and steam room sauna. That's all I do.

[A]

I feel like I've. And I'd love to hear what Ben Greenfield thinks should be the next. If we can use you as our, like, archetype, because you've done amazing and you've, like, you've lost so much weight and the GOP's, and you look incredible. And I would love to see, like, what Ben Greenfield thinks is the next frontier for you.

[D]

Well, have you ever tried electrical. Electrical muscle stimulation where you just pull on, like, a suit and you. You select your workout from the iPad and then it kind of. It kind of does it for you? Yeah.

[B]

I certainly, in 2013, bought an apparatus that attached to my abs and that I didn't use either. It made me feel all icky.

[D]

Yeah, this. This is. This is an apparatus that attaches to your app. It's like a. Like a suit, and you pull it on like a superhero suit. Squeezes, and then it stimulates all your muscles, and you just kind of stand there, and sometimes you're doing, like, a certain movement, like pushing your arms up overhead, but you're not holding any weights. And it is shockingly that I'm effective at building muscle. And you can do it without a gym. And the only side effect is you get pretty sore because you use all these little muscles that your brain would normally not recruit, but it's actually, that's an example of something that you could do for, like, 15 to 20 minutes a day. And because it's full body and because it's working harder than your brain would normally make you work, it would be kind of up there as far as, like, a biohack to put on muscle pretty quickly in a short period of time.

[B]

I'm down. Let's try. I'm down. I'm sitting here thinking, Ben, I'm thinking to myself, do I even want it?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Josh is right. We talk about this stuff, I think, because I think it's funny and fun. I don't know if I want it. I think I'm very happy. I think that's where. When the rubber meets the road, I think I'm very happy.

[C]

I don't think I need it.

[D]

I don't know though, 20 years from now when you can't sit down in the toilet because your legs are so weak and you need help out of bed.

[B]

I walk. I walk like crazy. I play sports. Tonight I have my. Tonight I have my two and a half hours of pickup basketball that I have every Monday.

[C]

I just don't like the gym, Ben.

[B]

That's it.

[D]

Well, that's good. I mean, if you think about it this way, like we live in one of the few times in all of human history where anybody, except like a soldier or an Olympic athlete or someone whose career depended on some sort of like, body morphology would have stepped into like a makeshift box designed to pick up heavy things and set them down. Totally right. Because for most of our lives we just like, we, you know, we gardened and hunted and foraged and built fences and built homes and moved rocks from point A to point B. And then the post industrial era, which is great and that most ancient humans would have killed to be in, in terms of an era that's pretty comfortable, created this different scenario where now we're sedentary and we have a lot of comfort, but then in order to stay healthy, we have to fabricate this false environment to put our muscles or our cardiovascular system under strain. So it is kind of weird. But then, you know, if you do have walking and sports and, you know, some element of like picking up something heavy and setting it down every now and again, like you could almost get away without having to step into the chair.

[B]

So then my wife once a week will ask me to rearrange the living room furniture. I'm lifting couches, I'm moving frame TVs.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

I'm lifting. I'm groceries. Ben, do you understand how many Lacroix I'm lifting?

[A]

You're not helping the.

[D]

Josh, does your wife have you rearrange the living room every week?

[A]

No, she's got most. She puts the things together. She's a. She's a chick with tools, man. She knows how to handle it. I'm not, I'm. I'm there for. I'm a support system. I make some nice scratch, I make money, I'm great with the kids, but you don't need me cleaning out a gutter. I'm going to fall off the ladder and be paralyzed.

[D]

I would just be concerned about. I don't know, like, like bipolar ADHD or something in a partner who is asking for the living room to be rearranged on a weekly basis. But I guess if that's your excuse to stay fit, it's.

[B]

I'm not complaining that in the Lacroix. The lacroix are very heavy.

[A]

Speaking of our, speaking of our partners, then you did a landmark study where you took every gas station dick pill.

[D]

Oh gosh, you gotta bring this up.

[A]

Can we just do, can you give us a quick like, what was it like? Did you feel like you were gonna die? This was for men's house.

[D]

Yeah, I mean it wasn't just. The article wasn't just about gas station dick pills. It was for an article called New Year, New Dick where they wanted like this immersive, journalistic flavor foray into all the different things that a guy could do to enhance sexual performance. Or I guess for lack of better words like length and girth. And so they had me do like shockwave therapy and platelet rich plasma injections and digital penis pump and which by the way, don't use hands free cause my testicles got sucked into it. Once they did the gas station dick pills. And as a part of it, we were looking at what the ingredients were in the gas station dick pills. And basically it's something very similar to the active. Even though it has all these fancy expensive herbal compounds on them, what's actually in them is typically something very similar to the active component in Viagra or Cialis, which is sildelafil or tadalafil and then just massive amounts of ephedra or caffeine or some kind of central nervous system stimulant. And actually if you took out the caffeine in the ephedra part, like Viagra and Cialis or the equivalent of those is not a bad idea. I mean for like heart health and blood pressure and just as like a preventive health tactic with some beneficial sexual side effects. Like they're not bad, but the issue with the ones you buy at the gas station is that it's basically like having four energy drinks all at once along with a Viagra.

[A]

Now did you take, what did you take like black rhinos, big bears soaring fat. This was, I mean, I don't know.

[D]

I don't know. This was 2018. I don't know. I don't remember the names of the different compounds, but they, they all had. Yeah, usually some kind of like sub Saharan African animal combined with the color. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Oh, oh, the fun falcons. Those are my faves the yellow tiger

[B]

or whatever, the mad mongoose. What about mucine xd? Have you ever, did you ever have to take that, Ben, in the middle of the night? I had a 3 hour erection from taking Mucine XD.

[D]

I've only ever taken that for free diving to thin the mucus. That's interesting. I mean it's a vasoconstrictive agent, correct?

[B]

So correct,

[D]

yeah. So if you like had you combine it with something.

[B]

One dose of Mucine XD before bed, woke up and from 3 to 6 in the morning had it pitched a tent. Pitched a tent.

[A]

Ben's like, I combined it with soup. I was under the weather. I combined it with a nice mushroom. Barley

[D]

is combined with three strippers who are dancing from 3 to 6am in my bedroom. That's the only other one variable. So I don't know, can't figure it out.

[A]

One of the many things I love about you Ben is, is you're a, a titan in this space. But what I respect about you is that you, you have respect for allopathic traditional medicine and then you also embrace the other side of things where. I don't know, I, I think you

[D]

mean like the kooky hippie, hairy armpit, patchouli oil hippie side of medicine.

[A]

Yeah, I mean the everything. Like I don't know, I think there's like in general and tell me maybe I'm wrong here. I think it has become cool to tell doctors to fuck off and I think it's a bad idea overall.

[B]

Can I give an example, Josh? Cause this is important. I have a regular doctor. I then got introduced to the great Dr. Conover by Josh. We had a meeting. He sent a mobile phlebotomist to my house last week. She took my blood and he's testing for more markers than anybody's ever tested for ever. So to question do I think that my primary care doctor is a bad. No, I think he's amazing. Why though? And this is where my brain goes, why isn't every primary care doctor, if they're just as amazing, testing for all of the things that could make my life better.

[D]

Right. But guys like you and me and Josh are maybe in like 1% or less of the population who is going to pay the out of pocket fees that insurance won't cover for a doctor to actually do that. Because insurance will cover tests that might be used to figure out some kind of disease you have, but not for.

[B]

But nobody ever. But nobody even mentioned that to me. That's more my question. Like the system doesn't even tell you that that's a possibility. Like I was never told, regardless of means that you weren't testing for things that you could be testing for that could help me learn more about my body and make me feel better on a daily basis.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. In their defense, one thing that a lot of doctors are taught in medical school is to avoid extensive or unnecessary testing that would drive up the cost of medical care in America. And so that's why, you know, you have to seek out and often pay out of pocket for like a full body MRI or like a genetic test or gut test or some fancy micronutrient test that goes beyond a basic blood panel. And then some doctors, like Dr. Conover, they choose to branch out and just do what's called concierge medicine, where they're like, yeah, you come to me, you pay me cash. Maybe your insurance won't cover this, but I'm willing to do the digging that a lot of other doctors won't do because they're kind of taught not to comma. A lot of medical education, unfortunately, and some of the post education experience is sponsored and funded by the pharmaceutical industry. And it's in the best interest of the pharmaceutical industry to use a drug first approach, not a extensive diagnostic testing first approach, not a peptide or nutritional approach. You guys probably saw some of this is changing because RFK announced like yesterday or the day before that 50 plus different medical schools are actually introducing a pretty extensive series of weeks of nutrition education, which shockingly, doctors haven't even been getting for decades in the medical education industry. And so now they're at least learning about one aspect of this, how a diet can affect health. You know, believe it or not, more than a pharmaceutical in many cases makes sense to me.

[B]

I don't know if that was your question, Josh, or if I hijacked it, but I just, I just find it interesting. I'm not, I'm so pro doctor. I love doctors and.

[A]

But, but you. The one thing though is the Conover thing. I totally agree, except it's a little bit of a tough example because Conover is an md, right? He's just a little. He's embraced the other side. I think there's a lot of people who are going towards. I'm going to my naturopath, I'm going to my functional chiropractor. And these people have become extremely opinionated and even present. They're cosplaying these people with a much higher accreditation than they have. And I think these people are definitely Paying out of pocket because insurance isn't covering. And I'm not sure they're always being guided in the best way.

[D]

Yeah, you are right. That you see just as much bias on the other side. Like, no, we cannot use a drug for this issue. There must be a natural remedy. We have to go with an essential oil instead of a prescription. Because all of allopathic medicine and the pharmaceutical industry is evil. And it's just baby talk. You see baby talk a lot in the nutrition industry. I mean, like the, the carnivore diet. It's like, yes, you know, an all meat diet can be really helpful for gut issues or autoimmune issues, but you can also, like, eat a higher meat diet with a whole bunch of, like, fermented vegetables and some green tea and some coffee and some other things that. That would normally be just like forbidden in a carnivore diet. And like, get the best of both worlds, right? Like the meat and then also all the benefits that you get from some of these plant compounds. So, you know, just like a lot of things in our lives, medicine can be very dogmatic, but anything related to health is. Can be very dogmatic, right? Like medicine, nutrition, et cetera. I think the best approach is to step back and say, what problem am I trying to solve? And how is this professional that I'm looking at from a medical standpoint uniquely positioned to solve that problem? And if they're not, you know, should I introduce another person into my lineup to make sure I've got all my bases covered? And, you know, then. And that's obviously something that takes a little bit of work and a little bit of self education to do. But yeah, like, if my son, let's say, like, has the allergies, you know, like the seasonal allergies or whatever, I probably would consider sending him to an acupuncturist or a naturopathic who's like, local and has a good knowledge of local plant biology and natural remedies before I might send him to an MD who might just prescribe an anti allergy medication, right?

[B]

And then all of a sudden he has brain fog. Josh.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Am I saying if my same son breaks sponsored by one band, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna send him with a broken arm to like the. The naturopathic doctor so she can rub some, like, stinging nettle on there or whatever.

[A]

You know what's great is that Ben Greenfield has a Jewish name, and they've tried to recruit him for Jewish outreach, but he goes, I'm sorry, guys.

[D]

The Israeli Chamber of Commerce flew me over twice before. I think. I think they finally figured out that I'm not a Jew with the name Benjamin Greg. But I got a lot of, like, hummus and, and like, stay in these fancy, like, spas by the Red Sea. So, yeah, I lived a great life for a couple of years.

[B]

So. Good.

[A]

You know, the, the, you know, the

[D]

minister is a fake Jew.

[A]

The minister of, of. Of commerce is walking Ben Greenfield around going, you ever seen a Jew like this? You ever seen one like this? Show him the abdomen, Ben. You haven't seen this.

[B]

Such a vagus nerve,

[A]

Ben.

[B]

Thank you.

[D]

If you look at this,

[A]

Ben, I want you to tell us where. What do you want to. What do you want to plug. Talk about the pod? And you got to come back. We love having you, man.

[D]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I mean, I have a website, BenGreenfieldLife.com. it's got some good information, a podcast on it. So if you want to geek out, it's a good place. Good, good place.

[B]

Beautiful, beautiful.

[A]

Appreciate you, dude. Love you, man.

[C]

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[B]

Josh, before we wrap should we do

[C]

a little moron mail?

[B]

Please? Moron mail.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

We had some really, really great ones this week.

[D]

Good.

[B]

Let me just pull them up again. It is goodguyspodcast1mail.com. That's where you write in Goodguys podcast1 email us. They remain anonymous, but this is a much better system. Whoever wrote to us who was a mean speak pipes stopped doing the speak pipes.

[C]

God, were you right.

[B]

Sometimes you just need something a little mean to break through. Okay. Hi, Josh and Ben. Longtime listener, first time moron mailer. I need to know if I'm the crazy one. My boyfriend refuses to eat leftovers. He says once food has been in the fridge, it's dead. Not bad. Not spoiled. Dead. Because of this, we end up throwing away tons of perfectly good food each week, and he won't buzz. Am I crazy for thinking this is insane? Josh, are you a leftover guy?

[A]

I am, but it's just because I have a scarcity mindset and I can't let anything go. I'll take the salt and pepper packets.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. My mom will do the same thing. She will take one piece of sashimi to go, and she will have it for breakfast tomorrow morning. Look.

[A]

Damn that rice when it's so dry.

[B]

Yeah, it is. It is.

[C]

I don't.

[B]

I go back and forth on this. If you ordered in food, it depends on the type of leftover. If I ordered in sushi, it's never touching my fridge. It's not. It won't be good tomorrow. I'm not a fan of pretending that I'm gonna eat something tomorrow when I'm not. That's very. A couple of years ago, Ben. Couple of years ago, Ben puts everything in the fridge and a week later ends up throwing it all away when it has mold. Now I only keep the things that I'm definitely going to eat, and that's cuisine dependent. So do I think your husband is nuts? I honestly don't. I think this is a big personal preference thing, and I think that collectively we need to stop ordering in too much food.

[A]

And.

[B]

And we should just start ordering in enough so that we stop food waste because we're wasting too much food.

[A]

I think we're always wasting too much food. That's 100% it. And I also think that food delivered doesn't really keep, but food made tends to.

[B]

I completely agree. It's very, very rare that we throw away anything that was made. We'll have it the next day for lunch, for dinner. Your portions are also not usually that off. It's not like you have enough for three days. You'll probably have enough for like another meal, somebody's lunch or something.

[A]

But.

[B]

Yeah, I totally agree.

[A]

Could we talk Epstein real quick?

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Ooh, which one?

[A]

Don. Don Epstein, Your neighbor.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he's great. I mean, John, he collects baseball cards. Like, what do you want to know about him?

[A]

How many Epstein's do you think there are out there now who just have to go like, hey, I'm Rick Epstein, no relation.

[B]

A lot, a lot, by the way.

[A]

A lot, a lot. I was thinking about this. You know what's been revealed? That it's so sad because we all loved him so much. This is great. Bill Gates allegedly might have contracted an STD from one of the Russian girls that Jeff. Yep. Hooked him up with. And do you think. I don't know why I feel like he was such a nerd that he was probably walking around like Microsoft headquarters, like, talking to his boys like, yo, dude, like, guess what I have? And they're like, what? And he's like, chlamydia. Like, I wonder if you thought that was a L. Like, bro. Like, I've been.

[B]

Badge of honor. That's funny. Like, had a dog tag or something. It's dark. That is dark, dude.

[A]

Like, yeah. Oh, man.

[B]

Oh, my God. I wonder if he'd be. There's no way that Bill Gates is keeping leftovers. Josh, should we do one more moron mail?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

What are you on?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Where? Oh, this one's good. Hey, guys. Writing in with a roommate situation. That's starting to really bother me. He eats shredded cheese. What is this Claudia writing in? He eats shredded cheese straight out of the bag and then puts it back in the fridge. No bowl, no plate. Just handfuls. I didn't care at first, but now every time I see it, I can't stop thinking about it. How do I say something without making it weird?

[A]

You gotta go. You gotta go at that head on. Don't dance, don't dance, don't dance. Straight up.

[B]

Your hand. Look, you're making me uncomfortable. Hands and cheese. This is not sanitary. This is not good. The thing is, I do shit like this all the time, though. Like, I definitely do that. I don't know if Claudia sees it. She probably does. She probably does. The other day I took these. I got the most. The greatest gifting. Josh, you have to get on Partanas. I'm gonna get you on their gifting list. They make unbelievable olive oil olives they stick to. Josh, I would love that these pitted green olives, I was eating them straight from the jar I was having. I took a spoon. I was eating them straight from the jar. Then I took a sip of the olive juice because it was so delicious. Look, this is just me. She's never touching olives. That's why I did it.

[C]

But I see this guy.

[B]

Is it his own personal cheese or is he sharing the cheese? Because if he's not sharing the cheese, it's none of her fucking problem. Now, if they're sharing cheese, that's when this becomes completely out of whack.

[C]

You can't do that with shared cheese.

[B]

Right, Josh? But if it's not shared, I think let the man live.

[A]

Yeah, let the man live. Let him enjoy his shredded cheese and caking agents. Cause as we know, it's smothered in caking agents and you have to wash your shredded cheese. Gross.

[B]

It's also so yucky.

[A]

That's a texture play.

[B]

You don't want to eat.

[A]

I don't fuck with that. I don't fuck with it.

[B]

I don't fuck with it either.

[A]

Should we get to what are you, nuts?

[E]

Yuck.

[B]

Our what are you nuts? Moment? Gripes of the week, both people, places and things. Both big and tall. Whatever's sticking in your craw, Josh, you got one.

[A]

Speaking of food, what's been killing me recently is that there's been this new category of food influencer where they just go to restaurants and shit on them, and I'm really against it.

[B]

That's terrible.

[A]

I think, you know, understandably, food culture and food and food influencing has become so big that I think it super hypes restaurants almost to an extent, where the restaurant could never live up to it, even if it is great, right? Because you just hear about it so much. I remember there's a famous bagel spot in LA that was, like, beyond hyped. And when I finally tried it, I said to a dear friend of mine, the great Max Shapiro from the Mad Food podcast, I was like, it was pretty good. Like, it didn't blow my mind, but it's good. And he looked at me and said, how could it have lived up with how much we've all talked about it? It just couldn't have. That being said, speaking, knowing you, Ben, knowing the great Bruce Safer caterer. So I know you have firsthand knowledge. God knows I do. The restaurant business is the most impossible business on earth. It is so hard to turn a profit. It robs you of your whole life. And it's truly in the best version Run by people who have a great passion for food and trying to make people happy with food. They don't need you and your kitschy bullshit social media tearing their food down. And by the way, what's the long play here? No brand wants to work with someone negative. Like, even if you get a following from it, you're not going to get brand deals because their fear is you're going to turn on them next. Everyone's fear to work with you is going to be like, why would I trust you when your whole thing is shitting on people? What are you, nuts?

[B]

So it's rare. Look, it's rare that this. What are you nuts? Sparked such a conversation. But we have to talk about it. I completely agree. There are a couple of things here that I want to touch on. The first is you should have to make a minimum amount of money for you to have negative press against your business. There should be like, I'm thinking the New York Times, for example. Cause I was thinking to myself, there have been negative food reviews forever. People would write negatively about a restaurant. People write negatively about a movie. Like people, critics. It's not positioned as negative. It could be negative or positive depending on their experience. But it's very rare that a New York Times food critic is going into a mom and pop shop that's just trying to build. They're going into a three Michelin star place and saying that it sucked. And believe me, it's not hurting. And if it is hurting their business, okay, they've had a really great run. I really don't have a problem when somebody shits on a really established business. You want to go into Cheesecake Factory and say that you had a shit meal, no problem. But I completely agree that when you go into a smaller place, it's terrible. Now where do we draw the line, though, Josh? If I went into a mom and pop shop and I was served a fettuccine Alfredo and in there I found a mouse tail or a rat's tail or a bug. That's different.

[A]

100%. But if it was just bland, your bad review is not talking about it at all.

[B]

100%. And nobody needs to hear your opinion, your negative opinion on your local Italian place.

[A]

But a lot of them are trashing places, to your point, that have a, that have a legitimate following and like, have become popular on social media and whatnot. But again, I just think if, if you have a bad review, one of 10 where you're like this place in particular, but when your whole theme, your whole niche is Just one bad review. Yeah, I just think in general and like, even those restaurants that are having a great year, maybe a great debut, as, you know, next year, it's not the case. It's over and it's not going to. And it probably isn't because their, I don't know, their biscuit didn't live up to the hype.

[B]

Yeah, it depends on the calorie of restaurant. Like, I saw somebody give a terrible review of Don Angie and it just reminded me to go to Don Angie. Like, sometimes you're so big and even when you see a bad review, you still want to go to the place.

[A]

Right?

[B]

But yes, if you as an influencer have made it or creator have made it your business to only give negative reviews, you've also lost all credibility because then we know that you didn't even like, you obviously like some food, otherwise you're just going everywhere and hating every meal. Maybe you don't like food. Like, I no longer consider you a credible source to review things if all the meals you have are bad.

[A]

Like if you go to Din Tai Fung, right, Like, and you go, this sucks. Compared to my bespoke, you know, 90 year old grandma spot in my neighborhood where like they've been making this one dish for like the last hundred years. Like, no, like, just give it a baseline. Din Tai Fung is always pretty good. Is it going to be as good as that mom and pop bespoke place where they do one thing perfectly? Maybe not, but you don't have to be like, this is horrible. Din Tai Fung's never been horrible.

[B]

Yeah, I completely agree.

[A]

And it's pretty darn great. Go Ben.

[B]

God, Josh, what a great what do you nuts. So provocative. My what do you nuts Moment. I'll keep it short and sweet. It's daylight savings. I've had enough.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

Okay? I've had enough. Because when you have young children, Josh, you're gonna say, what, are you nuts? To me? Because I'm telling you that this is a problem. Ruby slept an hour late today, okay? We woke up, we scrambled. He always wakes up at 7:15. He woke up at 8:15. And I have to tell you, waking up at 8:15, it was a shock to my system. It just like. I just didn't need it. I didn't need it. I felt worse having that extra hour. I now had an extra an hour less to do all of the things that I needed to do this morning. Ruby was rushed. He has a schedule. His nap is gone. He didn't get to Go to his music class. It's early in the morning. I just don't want it anymore. I don't want it. I want one set time. And let me tell you, Josh, this is the superior fucking time. Obviously we want more sunlight. We're human beings. We want it to be 7:30 and it's still sunny outside. We do not want. The reason people love to call it seasonal depression. It's not seasonal depression. It's the fucking clock. The clock is causing your seasonal depression. Okay? Because at 5 o' clock in New York, it's pitch black and you're cold. Okay?

[C]

That's it.

[B]

What are you nuts?

[A]

But this is giving you more, more sun.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

That's why we need to keep this. Oh, keep this, Keep this one.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.

[B]

Flopping back and forth. No boy, no good. Keep this. This is the one, folks. This episode's five stars. Otherwise, what are you, nuts? Rate, review and subscribe. Five stars only. No fours, no threes, no twos, no ones. Just five stars. And if you leave us a five star review, Josh is gonna read one of the plentiful, beautiful five star reviews that we get from our real fans. Okay? Real ones know Josh. We got a good one.

[A]

You guys rock. You guys always make my day. Just two relatable, funny as hell guys. Rather listen to you than call her daddy. Any. Sorry, sorry. Call her daddy. I didn't mean to hit you with a stray, but that's from Paige H89. Call her Daddy. Great pod. Marshall works there. God bless Marshall. We love you guys.

[B]

Please, Josh. There's no reason to lie. Mondays and Thursdays, folks. We will see you next time.

[A]

Alex Cooper.

[B]

I'm a big fan.

[A]

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