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The following podcast is a dear media production. Two Jews, both big and tall. No subject too small for the Good Guys. A mother's dream premium podcast team. Make it your weekly routine. It's a Good Guys.
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And if you don't give us five stars.
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What are you nuts?
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What are you nuts? Yeah, we're the good guys.
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They're not the great guys. We're just the good of the good guys. Monster morons. Welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. I'm in the middle of dming Todd Chrisley to come on the Good Guys.
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Ooh, that would be a great guest. I sorry. Chrisley Knows Best. What a show. What a show.
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A landmark.
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And because this is topical Thursdays, Josh, we're not going to talk about it yet. I just want everybody to know. I text this. We have a nice little. I don't know if you guys know this. We have a little group chat going between me, Josh, Paige, and Claudia, and we call it Ozempic Friends.
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Ozempriend.
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Ozempic.
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I thought of it.
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Ozempriends. And I wrote to them, I don't know, two days ago. And I was like, no homo. But I am so unbelievably invested in this season of Real Housewife of Beverly Hills. Like, I am a super fan. A super fan. And it's topical Thursdays, but Chris Lee knows best. Josh. Chrisley knows best. It's on. It should be on that Mount Rushmore. It was gone too soon. What a show.
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Spectacular it was. So you know what I've been reinvestigating too, is Gene Simmons Family Jewels. Do you remember that reality show?
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I do. Song.
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First of all, Gene Simmons Family Jewels.
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So good. So good.
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It's so good. And it's horrible because it is the most produced fake storyline show ever, which is why I love it. Like, Gene literally breaks down in the middle of the desert. I'm like, but you're being filmed. He's like, screaming in the middle of the street, like, what am I going to do? I'm like, ask the crew of 50 next to you.
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Ask if you can get in their car. There's something to do. It's very simple.
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Ask transpo. Like, I'm sure they have a car that works.
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Yeah, you're good, Gene. You're good.
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Okay, But, God, Todd, be a king on this show. Would any other show appreciate Todd Chrisley more than this show? I don't think so.
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No. No, I don't think so. We would welcome Todd in with open arms. Okay. We'd bring him into the fold. We'd lightly touch on some fraud and embezzlement. Light. Light, Todd, light. And most of the time, we'd schmooze. That's it. We'd schmooze.
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I'd say, todd, with the bod, what was it like in the shoe? You know what I mean? The hole, you know?
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Yeah.
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The prison holes. Not the other holes you're probably into. Sorry.
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What was it like, Todd? What was it like? Okay. Being the king of reality TV now disgraced. I don't know, Josh. I think that. I think it would be wonderful. I think we'd both need to be in person with him. I think we get a little handsy.
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It would be an honor, Mr. Chrisley. And I've just recently seen all of these social clips of him on other pods, and they were, like, talking about him in prison and how he was, like, getting food brought in for him, because I guess in federal prison, you can have food brought in. And he said, well, you know, at first I would eat my Culver's. He's like, and I want to enjoy my Culver's. I had never had it before then, and I haven't had it since I got out. And then, you know, Mondays and Thursdays, that. That was my chick Fil A. He goes, and one time I did Olive Garden. And I just. That was not for me. I did not like it. And I was like, you seem like a great time. We could eat, my boy.
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I'm laughing because you sound like a black woman, but it's also so close to Todd Chrisley. I'm now realizing that the Venn diagram of Todd Chrisley and black woman are really tight. They're like, it's him. It's him.
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He's the best. Wow. We love you, Mr. Christmas.
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If we went to prison, Josh, we would just have Bruce skatering nonstop every day. I'd get a call. There's penne alla vodka waiting for you outside your cell. There's chicken cutlets. There's matzo ball soup. There's gefilte Josh. Gefilte. Bruce would be catering for us nonstop.
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But prison is not other than, like, the forced, you know, canoodling that I wouldn't. Would be less interested in. It's not a threat to guys like you and I because I love ramen. I like a grilled cheese made with.
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An iron, and I love self reflection, and I love time to myself, and I love, like, can you imagine? Like, honestly, I don't think it would be that bad. Again. Agreed. I Don't. I don't want any forced canoodling. That's a problem. I also don't want to get beat up. Okay, that's also a problem. But like a nice white collar. We get to work on our tennis stroke. We get to read a little. We get to do push ups. We come out. I certainly am coming out stronger than I am now. I got nothing else to do. Okay. Or maybe do you think I'd get fatter in prison? No. Does anybody come out of prison fatter than when they went in?
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I don't know. I went to camp and came back fatter, and everyone was surprised. They were like, no one comes home from camp fatter.
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It depends. It depends. It can happen, Josh. It can happen. That's. Don't. Don't be down on yourself. It can absolutely happen. One summer I lost weight. The rest of the summers I gained weight. Because, look, you have these kids, they just smuggled in Lord knows how many Snickers and Twix, and it's like that scene in Heavyweights with the kid taking the salamis off his back. That's real.
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At the mess hall, we had all, you can have bug juice, dog. You could fill up your own fruit punch. So that was already liquid sugar going in my veins. And then our Spanish foreign exchange camper, Borja, he would get the ill packages from his parents. I'd be like, borja, are we having jamon? Like, this is amazing.
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My favorite was the kids that brought hot pots and would literally make wacky Mac in the back. Like you. You are literally. There's a full open kitchen where you are making me Kraft Macaroni and Cheese in the middle of the night. How am I supposed to. Of course I'm going to gain weight. Of course. My mom only let me have Diet Snapple. They have regular Snapple in the bunk, Josh. You know what a guy like me does with regular peach Snapple, regular lemon. I'm doomed.
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Was your camp. Was. Were the bunks of your camp a proper cabin?
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Yes, a proper cabin. Small, though. 14 kids in a bunk. Maybe more than that. Yeah. No, 12 to 14. So maybe seven or eight bunk beds. You'd have the counselor's beds that were not bunk beds. In the front, you'd walk through. In the back, there was the bathroom that I can still smell because you'd just, like, pee straight on the wood floor.
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Right?
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And that was the. That was. It wasn't any. There were no frills like that. I think that's where I grew a Dependency for my fan. Like, for the longest time, I needed that, like, white noise and fan right in my face. And that was if I didn't have my fan in camp. These bunks aren't air conditioned. They're hot as hell.
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Totally. We had a. I went to Camp Sloan in Connecticut for one year, and then the next year I went for four days and went home. But I went when I was nine. And I remember, I love my counselor, which I've always made men my father figure. And I did this to our counselor, Namdi, from Africa. And he was just a dream. He was a sweetheart and he believed in me. But as I said, some of my bunk mates, Borja, Simon, Henry, Kevin, and. But we were on, literally in old school, we were on a wood platform that was probably raised half a foot to, like, 10 inches. And then we had the frame of a cabin, but it was open. Like, there were no walls, right? So there was just an a frame. And then there was a canvas. It was canvas over it. So it was like one of those, like, mobile tents that you would see in the desert, but it was just canvas walls that we would roll up when we woke up. We would roll it up, strap them up, and then it was just an open air thing during the day, and then at night we could close them so there wouldn't be any bugs. But you still had to sleep in mosquito nets.
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Oh, my God.
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Sounds like hell. What the.
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What the hell is that? And I went to, like, a. I went to a very, like, not. I went to a very crunchy camp. This was not. Like, there are camps with air conditioners and there are camps with, like, all those frills. I thought I went to a no frills camp. No. No walls and mosquito nets is extra no frills. And honestly, it sounds amazing. Like, when you're in that, it's so fun. It's just fun to be a kid. It's fun not to have phones. It's fun to listen to music. You wake up, I'm sure you had the same thing. Nnamdi probably played his playlist, which eventually became your playlist. You're waking up to him just, like, pushing the beats, and you're like, ooh, what's that? And then it ends up on your mixtape or whatever. And, like, they never wanted to let me play Miley Cyrus, which is what I was into. Then they were like, no, we're listening to Red Hot Chili Peppers. I'm like, but seven things I hate about you by Miley Cyrus just dropped and it's great. You don't want to listen to that. You don't want that. You don't want that smoke. They're like. No, dude. Like Chili peppers. Is it. It was chili Peppers and maybe. And what's his name? And Talib Khuil. Khalil. Yeah. Pretty close, right? Pretty close.
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Talib Ali is quietly one of the, like, greatest rappers ever.
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Just to get by, Just to get.
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By, Just to get.
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Just to get by, Just to get so good. That's like a classic for me. That. That's camp, you know, that song is camp.
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You know who made that beat?
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Oh, let me guess. I don't know.
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This morning I woke up. Kanye, of course. Oh, it's so good. That's why it's good.
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My highs and my lows. Just stop smoking. I stop drinking.
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Talib.
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Well, man, I've been thinking.
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Yeah, you should go reinvestigate. Talib Kweli and formerly Mostef, now Kweli Kweli. Talib Kweli.
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Yeah, got it. Okay. I had my inflection wrong. I had Talib Kweel, but it's Talib. Talib Kweli.
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Yeah.
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Quail. Like quail eggs.
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Kweli. There's three guys outside of Bodega wearing fitted Yankee caps in Brooklyn right now. Her like, ow. Yeah.
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I'm hurting. I'm hurting them. I'm hurting them.
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I'm sorry.
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I. I know I'm causing you physical pain, and I apologize. I apologize.
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But Taleb and Yassin Bay, formerly Most staff, had a group called Black Star, which you should. If you like Taleb's early music, you should go listen to Blackstar, which was unfortunately, like, they were going to go retour and I bought tickets and then they, like, canceled it, like, a week before. I remember getting the email from Ticketmaster. I was like, I knew it was too good to be true, but Blackstar was incredible.
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Yes.
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I'm watching the Grammys last night. By the way, this is topical Thursdays, folks, where we get topical Grammys. I was watching the Grammys last night and they did the whole new artist thing, which I like, where you get to hear a little piece of each of the new artists. Let me just go on record and say, Addison Rae stinks. That was. Yeah. Oh, my God. I don't see. Awful. Okay. Then there was one more, and I was like, this is new music. This is what we have. This complete drek. And then all of a sudden, I noticed that face and I noticed that man. I'm like, wow, he sounds amazing. And it was Andre from Victorious. And I was like, I know that face from when I watched that. So, Leon.
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Incredible, amazing. Incredible, amazing.
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He's what turned the entire night around when it came to new music. Because then it was just banger after banger after banger. You had. What's his name? He used to be a viner, YouTuber. Alex Warren. He's so much more than that now. But that's in my head what I think of.
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Was he the guy who did the weird copy of David Dobrik?
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Yes, yes. But now he's an enormous, amazing singer. Okay, but the girl who won, Olivia Dean, Josh. She's killer, killer, killer. I was like, looking at her, I'm like, you kind of sound like. And I love that kind of music. Like, Norah Jones was like, oh, my God, it's Nora Jones reincarnated. Even though I don't think she's dead. It's new Nora. New Nora Jones. I loved her. I thought Olivia Dean was fantastic. And she just, like, was also kind of like Audrey Heberny. Like, it was just class I mean.
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Shout out Addison Rae. All I've ever seen of her I've liked, but I didn't see her perform. I didn't see her perform. So I don't know, have only ever heard nice things of her as a person. But Olivia D. It's so funny you bring that up because. Okay, let's jump around for a second. First of all, Leon has quietly been one of the great producers of pop music, but specifically like rap, R and B for like almost a decade now. And to see him really come into his own as like a solo artist, you should watch his NPR Tiny Desk.
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Baby.
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I'm a dog, I'm a mud. Oh man, I love it. He's real.
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He's really good. He's really good.
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He's been good. They're all, I, I, you know, I give like, he's really good. Liz Gillies from that show has an incredible voice, obviously. Ariana, Victoria, like they're all the, you know, they were quite the, the group, Matt. Super talented people. But okay, it's so funny because Paige and I get into it about Olivia Dean and I'll tell you why I'm all, I like Olivia Dean very much and I think her music is amazing. I think I just didn't get into it as much because her song got co opted by to me basic. Every basic girl on my timeline over the summer showing videos of their trips to Lisbon with their boyfriend and I just associated easy to love with people I hate and so I didn't get fully in and now. But she's incredible. Like, and I'm so glad to hear that you're a fan and I'm so happy.
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I get that. There's nothing worse than when a very basic group of people hijacks a song and then all of a sudden you're like, is it cool anymore? She's super cool. Like if you watch. Go back and watch because I know you think I'm being harsh. Watch Addison Rae's two minute performance and watch Olivia Dean's two minute performance and then let me know. And then let me know. Josh. Okay. There's a reason they put Addison Rae first out of eight and Olivia Dean last eight out of eight.
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Well, I mean I've seen, I think I saw her perform at BBC one, which I don't know if you watch any of those on YouTube, Ben. But they're like, for me, I love to see these people that I like on either tiny desk or BBC1 because it forces them to do more of an acoustic live thing and they get to really enjoy their voice and them, like, without any effects or whatnot. But you know who my new obsession is. And Paige makes fun of me for it. She's like, you're not super into Olivia Dean, but you're into this girl. And I'm like, yeah, Paige. And you just don't get it. And it's Sienna Spiro. You heard?
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I don't know.
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I don't know her.
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She's amazing.
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Okay, next.
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Okay, I'm in.
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You ready for this? You want to hear the qualifications? Besides being incredibly talented British Sienna Spiro.
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Okay. Great.
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British Yiddish.
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Really?
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Oh, yeah. Wow.
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Yeah, wow.
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We claim it. Can I make a start? Can I just. When we talk about a Jewish. When we talk about Jewish excellence, can I just go reclaim it and make a starry David?
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Yes. Yes. I love it.
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She's unreal. She performed at the. She got a standing ovation on Fallon a few weeks ago. She's obviously taken over TikTok. And she performed at the Blue Note in Hollywood over a week ago, which I wanted to go see her, but I want to go see her. She's going to be at the Troubadour in March. She's the next one. Shout out. Sienna Spiro. Big fan. Take that page.
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Why don't you go on a podcast?
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You can talk about Olivia Dean. Paige. No, I'm kidding. Love you. Shout out.
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Both of them.
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Queens, Queens, Queens. We are lucky to have wonderful music. They're incredible.
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I also. We can't mention Queens and not talk about. I don't know how she didn't win anything. Sabrina Carpenter, but every time I listen to her and every time I watch her perform, I'm just like, you are badass. Bad ass.
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She is.
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And I turn to Claudia and it's funny. I think I'm just, like, morphing into my wife slowly. I was like, she has the career that Olivia Rodrigo wanted.
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Wishes she had. But you're the biggest Olivia fan I know.
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But she's gotta put out new music. Pump it out. Okay. There's no new music. And when there's no new music, in this climate of Josh, we need music and music and music and music and music. You forget. So, yeah, I loved Olivia Rodrigo when she was pumping out the tunes, but now it's Sabrina Carpenter. I'm not trying to say that there's only room for one, but it kind of feels like there is. So I'm looking forward to the fist fight that goes between the two of them. But, yeah, Sabrina Carpenter's fantastic.
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And we have a Shared love of Miss Lady Gaga.
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Amazing. Amazing. And it's funny, I spoke about this on the podcast when I went to see her live in concert that she. I guess she was filming for her Netflix special or whatever they were doing on the tour. And they performed Abracadabra four straight times for camera. And so I had this song in my head. I'm like, stop it, stop it, stop it. And then, of course, she performed it. That said, it was like I was listening to it for the first time. She is just so talented, so theatrical. Like, thinks about the performance and the art just as much as she does the vocals. I want to hear your opinion on this, because I feel like we differ on this. That's my personal problem with Tyler the Creator. I see his stuff and I think it's masterful, but I can't get behind the music. I just don't think it's music. I watch it and it looks like. Like theater. Like, I don't know if you saw his performance last night. Super cool, just to me, not music. But Lady Gaga is able to do both. She does the theater. Maybe not to the level of Tyler the Creator, where he is. He's like, it's crazy what he does. But she's able to mesh just like this demonic, crazy, sick, twisted theater with sick vocals and Tyler the Creator. I just. I feel like he doesn't do the vocal part when I see him perform.
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I was once where you were, Ben.
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By the way. I like that. It's so me. I'm going to turn it to the Tyler the Creator's number one fan. You will tell me why. Tell me why.
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I was too, once where you were about eight years ago. I was in the car with the great Jordan Rock, Chris Rock's younger brother, great comedian, actor. And we were driving, and I said to him, I said, I like Tyler the Creator, but where are the bangers? Where are the hits? And he said, you just. You don't get it yet. And he said his albums will take you on a journey. And it's even bigger than the music. It's the world that he creates. But to your point, I will send you an NPR tiny desk of him performing, which is spectacular live. He's playing piano. I mean, he's. He's beyond. And there's some really good hits, some really catchy shit, but in general, he is, like, he's a true tastemaker. Like, from the fashion to the music to the attitude, like, the overall thing that he's giving us is such a gift. But I. And I Know, it's easy to say that and be like, right, right, right. But the music's not as strong. I'll. I'll give you. I'll give you five songs that I think you'll love.
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Send me the tiny desk. And I'm just envisioning just like a little desk, like, this big, and it's just like a little person. Just a little desk.
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Do you ever watch them?
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Tyler the creator? No, I've BBC Radio 1. I know from when I used to go deep in house. That's why I know those. Like, I'd listen to BBC Radio on Alesso at Tomorrowland. Like, that's like that. That's why I know that. But no, I don't know Tiny desk. So I'm excited for you to send it to.
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Oh, my God, dude, NPR tiny. It's so many people. You love NPR, tiny desk. It's in D.C. it's at the NPR offices, and they have the biggest people of the day. And back. Back when. Come and perform in this little office space, like, in the NPR office. And famously, like, Mac Miller did one, like, a year before he passed away. And it's like one of, like, if you were ever on the fence about Mac Miller, like, that's what introduced me because I was like, whoa. Like, this kid is a true musical genius.
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And I've never been on the fence about him. He. He's sick. Just unbelievable sick, but. But so Jewish.
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I'm excited to excellence. He is. Malcolm.
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He is. Oh, my God.
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Malcolm. You didn't know?
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No. Malcolm Millavich. I didn't know.
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I keep good tabs on our people. My wife can't stand it. I lead with it.
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Good. As you should.
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I love you, Paige. I must be insufferable.
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No.
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I'm so lucky that she stands me.
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Ugh. She's the best too. Tyler, the creator, though, is he not built for the Grammys, then? Is he not built to perform at the Grammys?
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I didn't watch it.
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Okay, so what you need to watch is Addison Rae, Olivia Dean, and Tyler, the creator, because Tyler, again, I'm gonna say it. Unbelievable art. I'm watching it. I'm like, this is an artist at work. This is the creative director of Louis Vuitton for a reason. I get it. I get it.
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I thought Pharrell was the creative director.
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He's the creative director of someone. Is he not of the Louis Vuitton? I thought it was that, but I want to fact check that.
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Probably something else, like French couture.
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Was Tyler the creator the creative director of.
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I'm sure it's something. So cool. Were the creative directors of dxl?
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I'm not sure. I couldn't find it fast enough. But yeah, that's probably. He's definitely the creative director of something. Okay.
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You should be the creative director of Rochester Big and Tall.
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Yes. Yes. I should be the creative director of Rochester Big and Tall. Yes.
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That'd be so fun.
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Oh my God, we do so good with it, Josh. We'd kill it. Okay, you'd need to come and do with me. It'd be great.
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So you take over and you have this big fancy fashion show. But you have to, you have to make the Runway shorter because how big the models are.
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We have to. We have to bring in cement for the, for the floor. The models.
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The models are on scooters.
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Oh my God.
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And now Ralph can be seen in a three piece suit. And the squirrel lark, I love the.
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Way he's matched his bow tie to his wheels.
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And he's wearing the maroon diabetes shoes.
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Sporting an Ozempic pen. Ralph is looking just amazing in his New Balance extra wise.
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That would be so good. Oh, I love it.
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We. We should just do that with AI. Can't AI make that? Like, can't they like show us what that would look like? I hate it. I hate AI. What? Did you see this thing over the weekend? Apparently like AI computers or like AI technology, like got together without humans and like made their own social network or something complaining about humans. Did you see this? No. We have to look up the story. It was like a very, very scary AI social network.
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And then we can, since we were talking about OZEM friends and see, like here's the problem with me and I think it's a nice thing, but it can become a defect. Assets becoming defects. The poisons in the dose. I. I get very passionate about things that I wanna share with people that I think are important and that I think that I might have access to that others don't. Right. Like certain movies, certain TV shows. So now I wanna send you 10 tiny desks. Cause I wanna share with you this amazing thing. I think we should talk on air that the wonderful Claudia Oshri, your queen, her and I are in a little bit of a feud right now about our boy Alex Honnold and her watching the doc Country Free Solo, which I can't get over that she won't watch and it makes me really upset.
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B
You know why she won't watch it?
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A
Why?
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B
Because you want her to. Like, like if she stumbled upon it by herself. She'd watch it for sure. But like, no, she's not the type. Like, you gotta watch this. She's like, do I?
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A
Right? That's just.
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B
That's just her. That's just her. But it also was really funny. She was. I was driving and she was. You and her were just like texting back and forth and she would like, say something and she's like, I know this is gonna really upset him.
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A
Good for her.
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B
It was really funny. But yeah, she. She just. She just. We. We watched it. I gave you all my stuff and then you educated me on him and all the stuff that he's done before this. But we're just like watching it and we're just like, your wife is there and you have a child at home and what's going on?
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A
Okay, so let's get into that debate because I think it's fascinating, right, Because Alex Honnold, who climbed the tower in Taipei recently on Netflix free, climbed it without any ropes or backup, did a documentary called free solo in 2018 that won the doc, or maybe earlier than that, but won best documentary for free soloing El Capitan in Yosemite, which is maybe one of the greatest physical feats to ever happen. So let me ask you this, because you bring up the wife and kid who, by the way, if you watch the doc, you realize that the wife 100% knew what she was getting into and knew because they meet through the doc and knew who she was marrying. This is not like a new interest of his. I assume they had. I don't know. Let's just assume that it wasn't a complete conspiracy that we landed on the moon and act like we did.
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B
Okay, cool. Yeah, we did. We did for sure.
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A
And that Stanley Kubrick didn't direct it in a soundstage anyway. You are the spouse and the child of Neil Armstrong. Of Buzz Altrin.
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B
Yes.
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A
Do you say, how dare you go up to the moon? Neil Armstrong?
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B
It's an interesting comparison. To me, you do everything you can to test your spaceship. God forbid something happens. You have precautions in place. If the oxygen drops out, it's like on a plane, right? You lose oxygen. That thing. Oxygen falls ceiling and you put on your mask redundancy. And to me, watching Alex Honnold for the first time, it felt like he intentionally didn't have any of those. If he was climbing the building without, like with a little bungee cord or something. If there was something in place, God forbid he slips. It would feel a little bit closer, I think, to that comparison of Going to the moon. I don't think that they would go to the moon if none of those what ifs were taken into account. Does that make sense? Like, I get what you're saying though, and I, and I do still think that Alex and all of his achievements should be celebrated for being somebody sick. But I don't know.
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A
Some things are bigger than your wife and kids. I think so.
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B
Then why do you have them?
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A
Because I'm not him. I'm not great. I'm not that level of great. Let me, let me give. It's not like I obsessed on this all weekend. What about what, what about Tom Brady? What? Or I, I actually, let's not even be, let's not even say Tom Brady, right? Who's like one of the greatest or the greatest ever live. Let's say you are a professional football player or hockey player, which have the highest incidence of ct. You're a professional football player who's good, not great, but maybe you'll have like a 5 to 10 year career and make some good money. They all have 10 kids. You are almost guaranteed CTE. Almost guaranteed it. Is it selfish of you that you May in your 40s or 50s shut down and not be able to be there for your family?
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B
I think that it's selfish of a football player in their prime who's really, really busy or any type of professional athlete. I think you should have kids after you've played. I think that if Tom Brady, for example, doesn't have enough time to see his kids in a meaningful way until he's out of the league, I do think, and it's again, by the way, it's totally their choice. This is just an outsider's view.
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A
CTE doesn't develop till after, so remember that. So if you're going to later.
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B
Yeah, no, no, by the way, I think it's, I, I think it's, it. That's a, that's a tough one because you, it's important to be a provider and make a living. And this is what they're incredible at, right? So without, without that their children wouldn't have, have money. But yeah, I think, I think it's, I think it's a little bit selfish to be not a quarterback. I think like your, your chances of CTE are lower. But yeah, I think that like alignment. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a good question. I don't know if it's selfish in the same way, but yeah, I, I, I do think that, I do think that you want to be Present for your children and show up in the best way possible.
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A
So of course, of course it's tough.
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B
It's tough.
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A
It's why I, and I hope you do this with Ruby. It's like why my kids will. If, if humans leave this earth, my kids will watch it. If there is every rocket launch, if there is ever a feat of human greatness where we are pushing ourselves and our ability in which to grow as human beings. I want my kids to watch because these are the things that I think push us as the human race. Going to the moon, doing what Alex Honnold did, being this level of great. And I think there are rare occasions, one in a million, maybe one in a billion, let's, let's call it. Or one in 10 million, 100 million of people who put that before their family. And by the way as we know people put you know, stuff before their family that are all the time slow, so much less beneficial.
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B
Yeah, the guy at 7:11 puts things before his family too. Of course I'm not saying that he's the only person who like other people are other, other people put things before their family. I watch him and I just, I think to myself on two sides of it. One, why have a child if you could die today? Like how, like how much emotional wreckage does that cause for the kid? And then the other thing that I think when I think about Alex Honnold, to be totally honest is everyone that you're talking about, every single legendary pusher of greatness, is an aspirational figure, inspires people to want to do that. He shouldn't be inspiring anybody to want to do the things that he's doing if he's truly a one of one.
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A
But they're not. He's not inspiring people to free solo. He's inspiring people to climb. But what he's really inspiring people to do is, is to be the best, to be great and attain greatness. And look, here's the next example, right? Because again it's all about higher calling, right? Because you could say it about every firefighter and police officer, right? 100 they put on that uniform and they are putting something bigger than their family first. But they believe that what they're doing is virtuous. And I think for someone like Alex Honnold it's virtuous. I think it's, it benefits the human race more than if he was only a father privately.
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B
Yeah, I think I have a. I think I disagree with you on the comparison of the firefighter or the police officer because they're doing something for. In my opinion, something actually for others. I get your perspective that Alex is doing something for others by pushing us forward. I just don't see it in the same way. I respect it, but I just. I. I don't. I don't watch that and, and feel like I needed. I needed that. I. I just. I just don't.
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A
I think too. I. I'm in an age of. And I know we talked about this over text, but like in an age of TikTok stars, in an age of. I. I have such a resentment against that show Traders and how bad it is. I can't get over it. Like, when this is the major focus of 90% of the world, I think these outliers who are like, fuck that noise. You're all being hypnotized by this thing that's loosely entertaining but literally a waste of your time. I'm willing to go out there and climb the high heights and be great. I go. I get excited about, like, that's what I want to share with my kids because I think the majority of people are watching mediocre people be mediocre for tens of thousands of hours. And I think it hurts us long term.
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B
So that I agree with. It's legendary. Not only was it legendary entertainment, but it was a legendary move to be the best at something and not a reality star or junk TV or all of that. It's the same exact way, though, that I feel about sporting in general. So I just don't think that Steph Curry has the same chances of dying. From the viewer's point of view. Totally, totally different one to me, that is totally fine to and not selfish to your children. It just feels to me like at any moment he could slip. And I know you've told me he can't. I know you've told me nothing can happen. It's just watching him scale Taipei. I'm like you, you have a child at home. And what if you get. What? I don't know. Any. Anything can happen. You're scaling a building with nothing.
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A
It could happen. But if you are in the NFL today, you will almost surely have CTE and be living with a deficit in 20 years.
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B
Like, almost so by the way, guarantee I. So I'm down to say that those positions that are sure to get cte, which are typically linemen bashing their heads against each other or a running back, is an incredibly selfish position to play if you plan on having a family.
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A
And then. But then we're saying all hockey, huge incident rates of concussion Some soccer players who are doing headers, all of mma, all of combat sports. Again, I just think it's a slippery slope to start condensing people trying to do the rare things that most of the human race can't accomplish because there's an inherent danger in all of it.
- [39:19]
B
But you can have that inherent danger and not have children.
- [39:22]
A
But then you football players will never have them because again, it doesn't come to lighter.
- [39:27]
B
I, yeah, I, I, I hear you. I think that there's, I think that there is a stark difference between climbing a building with no ropes and playing football and getting cte. Some of the CT is horrible for sure. Not all of it is I shouldn't have children. That said, for the sake of this conversation, I would argue that anything like that, where you need to put yourself first, yourself first, your children can wait. And if you have such bad CTE that you're going to have children and you can't be present for them unless your wife really wants them, then you're having them for her. But in Alex Honnell's situation, if he dies, it's, you know, I just, I, I don't think they're apples to apples, but for the sake of the conversation, I don't think that they should have children.
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A
He even, it's so funny because him being so great, he addressed this question he was asked by a reporter and he literally said, well, like, you know, his wife, he's like, my wife and my kid are well taken care of if I'm not here. And honestly, she's four, so I think this would be much less traumatic than you're making it out to be. Like, she wouldn't remember me. He's like, she'd get over it quickly. Like, I was like, yes, yeah, he.
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B
He'S just a different breed. He's just, he's, I get it. And again, just I think the breed that probably whatever it's, I hear you, I hear you.
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A
Even if you went through the list of dangerous jobs, right, we're not going to get crab, Ben. That means crab fishermen can't have kids.
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B
But they, but they have to do it to work. This is different. Like, like those jobs, you'd say coal mining. If we really want to do this, they had to mine. Of course they're going to get the black lung and die. But they had to work, they had to make a living. Obviously a guy is fucking genius. Is Alex Honel, who could figure out like, he's obviously a genius mathematician, physicist. Like in order to understand, take into account Wind conditions, timing. He's not just physical, he is mentally a genius too. Obviously. He could have done anything. He could have made money in anything. The coal miner couldn't. They're coal miners.
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A
I don't know. I don't know if. Look, I don't see Alex Honnold working well with a boss. I don't see.
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B
No, he'd be his only.
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A
Where's the spreadsheets, Alex? And he'd be like, what are spreadsheets and why do they exist?
- [41:59]
B
He feels. He would have figured it out, Josh. He would have figured it out.
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A
This is it. This is his. Because remember, it's a physical gift too. It's funny you talk about coal mining because you're really setting me up beautifully here. What do you know about nuclear energy?
- [42:13]
B
Tell me. Please tell me.
- [42:15]
A
I'll tell you in the next episode. This has all gotten a little bit too long winded. What should we get to some stories or more on mail?
- [42:24]
B
I have a story for you, Josh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's an old story, but I have a story for you. Okay, are you ready for this? First and foremost, I'm still in Florida. We're hanging out, we're having a great time. It's cold as fuck. Okay, what does that mean? Yesterday was 23. That's really cold for Florida.
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A
23 degrees Fahrenheit.
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B
Yeah. Yes, yes, yes.
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A
No.
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B
And it woke up. Yes. And it woke up with a real feel of like 13. Yesterday. Really cold.
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A
Aren't you in shorts right now?
- [42:55]
B
No, I'm in a sweatshirt and pants.
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A
Are you, is it, is it part of the polar vortex that the northeast is getting it?
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B
It must have been delayed because last week everybody got snow and dumped on Florida was like 60s and we're like, huh, missed us. And now it's, it's just, it's cold. Wow. But I was on a call this morning and the guy I was on a call with is like, did you, did you see any of the iguanas on the ground? I'm like, what do you mean iguanas on the ground? He's like, iguanas in the heat live in the trees. But they're warm blooded. And so when the temperature drops below, they literally fall from the trees and they look dead on the ground.
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A
You mean cold blooded?
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B
They're not dead. What did I say? Warm blooded? Yeah, cold blooded. They drop from the trees, hit the ground and they look dead, but they're not dead. They're just like, they're just frozen and movementless. But the second the Temperature goes back up. They're fine. They're alive. They're grooving. And he said, do you remember that story of the guy who took frozen iguanas and put them in his car? I'm like, what? Ready for this?
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A
Yeah.
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B
This is in 2020. Here's the title. Florida man fills car with frozen iguanas. They wake up. Let me get to the. Let me get to the meat of the article.
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A
That's nuts.
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B
In an NPR statement, the host talked.
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A
Sorry, this can be your. One of you. Nuts.
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B
Oh, man. Man filled up his car with frozen iguanas. He was bringing them in because their meat apparently is a delicacy for this guy. Whatever. And while in the car, they all thawed out because the temperature rose attacked him. He crashed and died.
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A
Good, good.
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B
He. He gathered, I think 100 iguanas. Can you imagine? Is there a bigger nightmare in your eyes than being in a car with what you think are a hundred dead frozen iguanas? And they all wake up while you're driving?
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A
That's nuts.
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B
Nice, Mayor Fuel. I was like, oh, so, yeah, I don't know if that's topical Thursdays, considering that happened in 2020, but we're doing our thing.
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A
And, you know, their little mouths are like Rubies and Myers. Just like teethless little.
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B
I hope they're teethless. Iguanas are, like, the least threatening but still most scary. They, like, look like little dinosaur. They're. They're spooky.
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A
That people who have those iguanas are like, this is my bearded dragon. I'm like, brother, get a new hobby, freak.
- [45:43]
B
Yeah, definitely keeps that as a pet. A freak. A complete freak. Freaks. Absolute freaks.
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A
Well, should we close Topical Thursday on a happy note and talk about the Epstein file drop?
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B
No.
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A
I think we should.
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B
If you really want to.
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A
Here's. Here's what I'll lead with. And then feel free to, like, you know, bring us down. If you think you out there, if you have any level of political hierarchy, superiority. My side's better. No, my side's better. My side. My side. They're both fucking dirty. Dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty. This is the biggest takeaway from the Epstein files. They're all guilty. They're all to blame. We're not safe anywhere. Thank you.
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B
Facts. Facts. And they want to distract you.
- [46:45]
A
Say more.
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B
This has been going on for a very long time, and I just feel like it always gets hot when we need something to distract us from the other things going on. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. I know that whenever I hear about the Epstein files, I have a visceral reaction because this should have been taken care of. We've had them. It's done. It should be done. No more. We found this. We found this. Didn't you find it, like, five fucking years ago? Hasn't he been dead forever? Did he kill himself? Did he not? It's been happening forever, okay? And the reason it won't go away is because it's a distraction. And I don't know what it's distracting us from. I know that whenever I hear anything, I think it's a distraction. Anytime that you. Anytime that you hear anything, there's a reason you heard it, right? That's at least the way that my brain works. It's like, oh, you're telling me that you're gonna buy Greenland. Why? Why do I know that? Why didn't you just buy it? Why didn't you just work that out behind the scenes, right? Are you trying to tell me that because something else is happening that I should actually be paying attention to?
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A
Yeah, like maybe you're really buying Iceland.
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B
I don't know. I don't know what's happening.
- [47:56]
A
Fucking think, Ben.
- [47:59]
B
I'm just saying, if we're playing a game of Scrabble, I'm not telling you the pieces I need, right? Okay? I'm not telling you I need an A to complete my word, okay? Otherwise, you hold the A. I'm trying to buy Greenland. Please. Please.
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A
It's messed up, man. But here's like, the worst part of. Of of it is seeing these supposed, you know, brilliant, highest of high, high society people, you know, so wealthy, so educated. Their emails are a joke. It's like. Like, literally they're writing him going, hey, had fun in our in quote party last night? I'm like, dog, why don't you give yourself away? Like, these are clearly people who never text. Like, I don't write anything on text message that I wouldn't want the whole world to see because why would you put anything in writing? Especially something so, you know, devious and horrible.
- [48:58]
B
Nuts. Completely insane. Completely insane. Oh, can we also, while we're talk. While we're topical and while we went here, can we just quickly talk a little bit about the Grammys and this virtue signaling? Because I can't.
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A
Can I close with this? Have you thought about what Epstein's island would be if it was ran by women? Homegoods island. Okay, go.
- [49:21]
B
Homegoods is so good. Shout out all those places HomeGoods, TJ Maxx, Marshalls. Yesterday I went to the rack. Josh. I went to the fucking rack. Nordstrom Rack. This place is sweet.
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A
Nordy Rack. Okay.
- [49:33]
B
Unbelievable, love. All that I want to say about the Grammys is first and foremost, because I already went there with Addison Rae. Sorry, Addison. You're probably a lovely shout out.
- [49:40]
A
Please come on the pod. We love you.
- [49:42]
B
Yeah, but the music's no good. She's not coming on the pod, Josh.
- [49:45]
A
Sorry I burnt that bridge.
- [49:46]
B
You know who else isn't coming on the pod? Trevor Noah, who is so not funny. He's so not funny. Way before. I just want to clarify here. Way before he made his Trump jokes, way before he made anything during the Grammys, he was not funny from the get. Everything I've ever seen him do. Trevor Noah is not funny. That's just like the first statement. He's so political always, which. I want to watch the Grammys to listen to music. I totally understand you having a huge platform and you want to go up there and you want to make the most of it. So go up there and make the most of it. I don't know if you heard any of these speeches or you didn't. Billie Eilish's speech was a crime. And she's standing there with her. Her pin when she could be saying so much more about ice. You have something to say about ice, say it. Don't just wear these stupid fucking pins. Everybody knows that. Last year there was a group of people that got together and they said, wear this Free Palestine pin. Now it's wear this ice out pin. It's like, I'm not saying that you can't have an opinion. It's just these. It's. It's so. It's so thoughtless. It's so brainless. And then you get up there and you just say divisive shit that just like, gets you collapsed in a room of just people that are so stuck in their bubble, that aren't thinking about anybody else, like, they're just. They're only thinking of their circumstance. Billie eilish, with her $200 million and her security and her access and her. It just. It drives me up a wall. And the proper way to talk about it is if you go and you look up Bad Bunny's speech. He also spoke about ice. He said, lead with love, not hate. Regardless of what side you're on, lead with love. Because if you go in with hate, this is how we have these problems. Go in and lead with love. And I know that Might sound a little bit Frou Frou, but I liked that. We're human beings. We should be empathetic. There's clearly. There's something terrible going on. There's something terrible going on in this country. Terrible. Lead with love, not with hate. That's a beautiful statement. Not nobody is illegal on stolen land. That's what Billie Eilish said. Nobody is illegal on stolen land. That is such a catch. All that makes people angry. It's like, are you trying to just create a divide? Are you trying to imply that there should be no immigration law? Are you trying to, like, zero? Do you live in a doorman building, Billie Eilish? Do you live in a gated house? Do you have security? Do you have a lock on your door? Or do you not need any of those things? Do you not need any of them because you're living on stolen land and thus it doesn't matter. It's a free for all. Anybody can be anywhere at any time. And if you want to say. There's no. If you want to say that, you don't have to have any rules because we're on stolen land. That is the world. Every single country, modern country, was conquered by war or taken. It stinks. It's not nice. It's why we pay reparations. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't have law and order.
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A
Well, I think. And this isn't addressing necessarily, it's addressing famous people in general, but this happened to actors and producers and not to musicians. But the turning point for me was at the Oscars when everyone sat there and watched Will Smith slap Chris Rock in the face and then gave him a standing ovation when he won the Oscar an hour later. Like, this was the clearest moment to say, okay, like, if you're. I. You know, if you're ideologically and you are. You are virtuous and you are someone of high moral fiber who does the right thing when given the opportunity. Here's a guy who committed a crime in front of you, right? An unacceptable, violent crime. Super famous, and everyone's watching. Can you do the right thing? You know, can you walk up and be like, get the fuck out of here. Like, what. What did you just do? You slap that guy. You slap that dude in the face. Television. You embarrassed him in front of everyone. And now you're sitting back down and just chilling and screaming at the stage, cursing. And then I have to listen to you give an acceptance speech where you talk about how, like, Denzel was giving you a pep talk after Nah, dog, Not tonight, boss. Take a walk. It's done. Like, but nobody did that. So at that moment, I went, gotcha. Like, maybe these people are not going to direct me morally.
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B
Yeah. That's why Bad Bunny, to me at least, was such a breath of fresh air, because he had.
- [54:35]
A
I love Bad Bunny. I love him, love him, love him.
- [54:37]
B
Yeah. He had an issue with ice. He didn't wear the pin. And he spoke about it from his own experience. Like, I. I don't. I want to be. I want to, like, set the record straight and be so unbelievably clear so that nobody can twist my words. I'm not saying that what's going on in this country isn't a problem and something that we should. No, it's deeply unacceptable and talk about it. I'm saying that when somebody hands you one way to talk about something and says you have to talk about it, you have to wear this pin, you have to rile people up. It doesn't make anything better.
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A
Right.
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B
It's just divisive. I don't know. I'm lost. I hate those award shows because I love them. I love watching live performances. What's better, Justin going to a concert. What's better than watching an award show with Sabrina Carpenter and Bruno Mars and Lady Gaga? The acts are amazing. And Justin Bieber. We didn't even talk about Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber performed in his underwear. An incredible vocal performance. It was great.
- [55:32]
A
I'm attracted to chaperone. Okay, should we get to our Woody and nuts moment of the week?
- [55:41]
B
Yes, we should. All right.
- [55:43]
A
Our Woody nuts moment of the week are gripes with people, places and things both big and tall. Whatever. Stick it in your craw, Ben.
- [55:50]
B
Josh, you know what's sticking in my craw? I'm a little bit sick, okay? You saw me drinking tea. Josh, you ever go and try and get a cup of tea that isn't scalding hot?
- [55:59]
A
Too hot.
- [56:00]
B
How about you give me a cup of tea that is drinkable? Okay? I ordered the tea. Not so it would be a normal temperature in 20 minutes. Not so that the plastic lid that's sitting on top of it will 100% melt and fall into my tea. Okay? I want to drink my tea now. Can you put it at a temperature that will not burn the roof of my mouth? Not burn my tongue? What are you, nuts? How do you even get water that hot?
- [56:25]
A
I agree. Couldn't agree more, Josh. Mine is my. One of your nuts is the word crumb. Hear me out. It's A fucking dumb word. This is spelled stupidly. What are you nuts? The great Max Tech is seven years old and we're working on his spelling. So we go on walks and I throw out words for him. And sometimes I throw out words with silent letters because I'm like, this one's going to trap him. And I said, okay, Crumb. And he goes, C R U M. And I go, mm, mm. And he goes, C R U M. And I go, there's a B at the end. And he looked at me and I looked at him and we both said, what? Are you nuts? Like, yeah. For what? This is not necessary. Crumb.
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B
Crumb.
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A
Not good.
- [57:14]
B
No, no. Silent letters are completely unnecessary. Why? If it's a silent letter, why is it there? Okay, why?
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A
It's like Lil Wayne said, I move like. I'm like. I move like a G. What? What did he say? He said. That's what he's.
- [57:32]
B
That's what he said, Josh. He said I'm like, move.
- [57:35]
A
No, he said like lasagna. A real G moves in silence.
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B
Okay, that's a great line. And you know what else, Josh? This episode. This is five stars.
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A
It is.
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B
Otherwise, what are you, nuts? Rate, review and subscribe. Folks, that's what MrBeast told us to send. So rate, review and subscribe. And every week, every single week, we're gonna read one beautiful, positive review. I have this review up from Jane123. Ben is incredibly handsome. And Josh, I absolutely love your beard. Love listening to the podcast. Five stars. Josh, this review. This is a five star review.
- [58:18]
A
It's that easy.
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B
Go on, give us a compliment and we'll read it. Okay? Rate, review, subscribe, and we'll see you next time, Mondays and Thursdays. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.