Jesse Metcalfe Stole Josh's Girlfriend

Summary

Good Guys Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Jesse Metcalfe Stole Josh's Girlfriend
Hosts: Josh Peck & Ben Soffer
Guest: Jesse Metcalfe
Release Date: March 12, 2026
Podcast Network: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

This lively and candid episode features hosts Josh Peck and Ben Soffer discussing food, relationships, and skincare, before welcoming actor Jesse Metcalfe. The hosts navigate topics like food ordering dynamics in relationships, the neuroses of shared dinners, and gendered expectations at home. They segue into a charming, self-deprecating story about Josh, Jesse, and an ex-girlfriend, setting up a funny and heartfelt reunion with Metcalfe. The conversation highlights Metcalfe’s career, experiences with fame and media scrutiny, and his new gender-neutral skincare line, Neutral. The episode closes with the popular “What Are You, Nuts?” segment on quirky food news and life gripes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Dining & Relationship Dynamics (00:00–08:43)

• Ordering for the Table: Ben rails against people unilaterally ordering for the table and describes himself as a food savant who only orders for others when requested.
  • “It's actually like my number one pet peeve. When somebody sits and tries to order for the table when I didn't want them to. I hate it. It's like demeaning. And insulting. I hate it.” (Ben, 01:50)
• Decision Fatigue & Gender Stereotypes: Josh discusses “decision fatigue” and how this affects meal choices with his wife, humorously referencing their different approaches.
  • “I really don't want to decide. I regularly have decision fatigue... When my perfect little wife is very, very hungry, it's time to order. ... I don't care. ... But that don't sit right. She don't like that.” (Josh, 04:49)
• Cultural & Generational Food Safety: The hosts reminisce about childhood kitchen lessons, like defrosting chicken and managing kitchen hygiene, poking fun at modern “hazmat” kitchen protocols.

Guest Segment: Jesse Metcalfe (11:31–34:30)

Jesse’s Career Highlights & Industry Real Talk

• Being Recost as the Iconic Gardener in Desperate Housewives
  • “There was a... another gardener... They had filmed the pilot and I was lucky enough to go in for that recast and book that role. ... I didn't really think the show at the time was going to hit as big as it did.” (Jesse, 13:28–14:11)
• Physical Expectations in Hollywood
  • “I was working out, constantly watching everything that I ate. Luckily, I was 25 years old, so it was a lot easier ... Maybe even the best shape of my life now.” (Jesse, 15:29)
  • He candidly shares about using “a little TRT and peptides” and how such supplements are commonplace in the industry. (16:04–16:09)
• Pop Culture Persona & Tabloid Scrutiny
  • Jesse opens up about how the mid-2000s tabloid culture shaped—and sometimes distorted—celebrity images.
  • “There was a lot of stuff getting thrown around there... certainly detrimental to my career... I think people are a little bit more sensitive, little bit more empathetic [now].” (Jesse, 22:52)

The “Stolen Girlfriend” Story

• Josh’s Longstanding Grudge (Shared with Humor)
  • Josh recounts discovering Jesse Metcalfe leaving a club with his ex-girlfriend via Perez Hilton shortly after their breakup:
    • “So about three weeks after we break up... I go on Perez Hilton, and there's my girlfriend leaving some fancy Hollywood hotspot with you, Jesse.” (Josh, 20:21)
    • Jesse expresses surprise and mock guilt but is given a heartfelt pass.
  • Years later, Josh and Jesse bump into each other again—awkwardly but amicably—on a plane years later: “Your nemesis.” (Josh’s wife’s text, 21:26)
  • “You were lovely to my son. ... when we first met officially, so thank you.” (Josh, 21:42)

Skincare, Authenticity & Business

• Neutral: Jesse’s Gender-Neutral Skincare Line
  • Jesse describes the philosophy and science (“collagen boosting,” “Matrixyl 3000”), pushing back against fads and unnecessary complexity in skincare:
    • “I wanted to create something that was simple—four step routine... just super simple that husbands and wives, boyfriends and girlfriends could share.” (Jesse, 33:46)
    • Hosts joke about Ben’s lack of skincare and brainstorm the tagline:
      • “Neutral or nothing.” (Ben, 33:16)
• Authenticity in Media:
  • Jesse and the hosts discuss how fans crave authenticity after years of tabloid exaggeration and image management:
    • “The public is starving for authenticity...” (Jesse, 30:14)
    • “I also have an inner narrative and story that I tell myself and it's not particularly positive at times.” (Jesse, 31:04)

Food News & “What Are You, Nuts?” Segment (39:50–46:54)

• Best & Worst New Food Items
  • Magnolia Bakery’s banana pudding PB&J (Best Bite)
  • Reese’s x HiSmile peanut butter cup toothpaste (Worst Bite):
    • “What are we, dogs?” (Ben, 41:05)
• Dental Hygiene Real Talk
  • Discussion about fluoride, fads, and cavity uptick, backed by Josh’s dentist anecdotes.
    • “Dr. Hooper, what am I, some kind of asshole? Every day [I use fluoride]. ... 5x amount of cavities since this whole removing fluoride from your toothpaste thing has become popular.” (Josh, 41:52)
    • “Zero. Not one fucking cavity, okay?” (Ben, 43:03)
• Social Gripes:
  • Ben’s: People who say they're “not a dessert person.”
    • “What are you, nuts? Of course you're a dessert person... if you're actually not a dessert person, we just have nothing in common.” (Ben, 44:07)
  • Josh’s: People mythologizing celebrities’ “toughness” online.
    • “People like to always write under... any video of him [Shia LaBeouf]. They go, 'Don't mess with Shia. He about that life.' ... No, he's not. Nah, he's Shia LaBeouf. He's a guy from Transformers and Even Stevens.” (Josh, 46:10)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It actually feels demeaning. And insulting. I hate it.” (Ben on unsolicited food ordering – 01:50)
• “You were lovely to my wife. ... There’s no air to be cleared.” (Josh to Jesse – 21:42)
• “I wanted to create something that was simple... a four-step routine.” (Jesse on Neutral – 33:46)
• “What are we, dogs?” (Ben on PB cup toothpaste – 41:05)
• “What are you, nuts? Of course you're a dessert person.” (Ben – 44:07)
• “People are starving for authenticity.” (Jesse – 30:14)
• "I've definitely played a lot of roles that have given me a certain persona… but I definitely look to shed that persona... in my 40s here at 47 years old.” (Jesse – 21:59)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–08:43 – Banter: Food ordering pet peeves, household dining habits, generational quirks about food safety.
• 11:31–34:30 – Guest Jesse Metcalfe: Career, Desperate Housewives, body image, nutrition, the famed “stolen girlfriend” story, and skincare.
• 39:50–46:54 – Weird Food News: Magnolia Bakery x PB&J; Reese’s Toothpaste. “What Are You, Nuts?”: Dessert people, Shia LaBeouf meme commentary.
• 46:54–End – 5-star review reading & wrap-up (skip—housekeeping).

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The Tone & Language

Casual, humorous, and self-aware; the hosts complement each other with Ben’s fast-talking food obsession and Josh’s self-deprecating warmth. Jesse Metcalfe is earnest, candid about his experiences, and game for jokes at his own expense. The show mixes industry insider tales with authentic, relatable reflections on fame, wellness, and modern living.

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For New Listeners

This episode captures the “Good Guys” blend of sharp banter, pop culture commentary, and unexpected emotional honesty. You'll enjoy celebrity nostalgia, real talk about public image, playful product plugging, and stories that are both cringey and cathartic. And yes—actual skincare recs from Jesse Metcalfe.

Transcript

[A]

Mausa morons. Welcome back to the Good Guys podcast.

[B]

Josh, we're at dinner, okay? And somebody starts ordering for the table, okay? For me, that's a big no. No. Are you just going along for that ride or are you stepping in and saying, hold your horses? Okay, I don't want you ordering for me. I want to order for you.

[A]

I think that it needs to be pre qualified. It depends on how big of a waste the person. I think basically the new rule should be whoever has the biggest waist size at the table or orders go to the intro to Jews both big and tall. No subject too small. For the good guys, A mother stream premium podcast team. Make it your weekly routine. It's a Good Guys. And if you don't give us five stars. What are you nuts?

[B]

What are you nuts? Yeah.

[A]

We're the good guys. We're not the great guys. We're just the good and good of the good guys.

[B]

Whoa. And welcome back, Josh. It's not just about. I hate when people say this. They're like, but I'm paying. Who gives a shit? Who gives a shit? I'm not. I'm not your. Like, I'm not your puppet. I'm not here so that you can buy the meal and I'm just gonna eat what you want. No, I want to pay for my fucking food and I want to order it. That's me. Okay? There are plenty of people though, that to your point? Because I am a little bit less husky, but still properly husky, have always been husky and am a food savant. People ask me all the time. They're like, ben, you do the ordering, okay? But I only do the ordering if somebody asks. I would never just start ordering. That's crazy to me.

[A]

Do you do this thing of. Should we start with a couple things? Do you want me to order a couple things? Do you want me to do a couple things? Are we thinking.

[B]

I won't do that unless somebody says, ben, you take care of it. Then I'll go into that mode. Okay, so we'll do a tuna tartare. What do you want? You want something else over here? A burrata maybe, or I know you really like shrimp. You want a colossal shrimp cocktail. I'll do that for sure, but I will never. Because I hate it. It's actually like my number one pet peeve. When somebody sits and tries to order for the table when I didn't want them to. I hate it. I just. Maybe I over. Maybe I read too into it, but it feels. It's like demeaning. And insulting. I hate it. I hate it.

[A]

I found that more cases than not, people want someone to order for the table. Especially at a restaurant where people haven't been.

[B]

Yes, yes, right. Totally, totally, totally. I think it depends on the type of person maybe, and how the dinner came together. But I also have a weird relationship with food. So when I sit and I see a menu, I want to make sure I'm getting the things that I want to get. Otherwise, why are we even here, Josh? You know, I'm trying to be more

[A]

like that, except I don't. I'm trying to actually not care at all about eating for the most part, except for, like, a couple, like, marquee meals throughout the week. But if you're eating, let's say, three squares seven times over seven days, so it's 21 meals throughout the week, I would like to not care about 15 of them if I can. I think that's a better.

[B]

I think it's very healthy to do that. I think it's eating not for pleasure, eating for fuel, and I think that cooking at home allows you to do that. I'll probably go out to eat now. There was one point where I was going out to eat five nights a week, and now thinking about how precious I was about every menu, that's a sickness. But now that I go out to eat maybe once every 10 days or so, like, we're picking the place, I'd like to be involved in the decision making for ordering. But maybe you're right, because it doesn't. It really shouldn't matter, because when. Otherwise, I'm thinking too much about food, and then I'm gonna overeat.

[A]

What do you eat, like, the most of? Would you say? Is there a meal you eat most of the sushi? No, no, no. I'm sorry. Something that you make?

[B]

Yeah. Claude loves chili. Claude loves taco night. She loves. I make this lemon, garlic, parsley grilled chicken. Cassoulet is like our roast chicken. She had, like, there's whatever she's in the mood for. So honestly, I do defer a lot for most of my meals. Whatever she's in the mood for, I'm gonna cook, and then I'm gonna eat it. And I do end up happy in that scenario. But, yeah, she. She picks the dinner and then I cook it. But we have, like. We have staples.

[A]

I'm a real thorn in my wife's side.

[B]

Okay, so you're. You're dictating what she makes?

[A]

Not at all. I have no opinion. I have no opinion. But here's the thing. And Olivia, feel free if I'm gendering this. Making dirty, crappy assumptions. Boo. Men. Sorry. Okay, tell me if I'm wrong here. Here's the thing. I really don't want to decide. I regularly have decision fatigue. I make a lot of decisions throughout the day. When my beautiful, gorgeous, perfect. Better than me in every way. I couldn't be luckier to be with her. When my perfect little wife is very, very hungry, it's time to order. We gotta go. But there needs to be an agreement. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. Now she'll finally pick. But here's the problem. I so don't care that if she picks a place I don't want, I'll just go, no problem. I'll make a bowl of cereal. But that don't sit right. She don't like that. Okay, Women don't like that when they're ordering and you go, no, no,

[B]

I'm you and your wife. I'm both of you. Okay? I'm both of you. I'm the one who goes to Claudia. What do you want? She's like, I don't know. Even though she does know. She's just waiting for me to throw out the 3,000th option. But I'm also the. Oh, if you're in the mood for something, she's the one who prompts it. She's like, I'm really in the mood for Italian. I'm like, okay, you know, I'm really in the mood for Thai. I'm just going to order a pad Thai. That is world ending if we're not eating the same cuisine. World ending. So we're the same. I don't know.

[A]

This is how sick I am. I go, I'll make a decision sometime throughout the day. I'll go, I don't know what. But I'm eating something from the freezer. Because I go, I'm going to clean out that fucking freezer. And so. And what. What's in there? Frozen chicken tenders, maybe like some delicious Trader Joe's meal that's been in there six months. I'm going to knock that out. And then when we have all this freezer space, she's going to thank me, right?

[B]

Let me tell you, Josh,

[A]

in old

[B]

sitcoms, it used to be the biggest deal when the mom would ask the children, can you defrost chicken for me? And they'd forget. And I never realized until now how fucking disrespectful that is. Do you Know. Do you know what a pain in the ass it is to take chicken out of the fridge, wait for it to thaw before cooking a meal? It's the easiest thing to have somebody who's not cooking and take it out at 9 in the morning.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Take. That's it. That's it. That's the one. The bane of my existence today is defrosting meat. Speaking of freezers, do you guys find.

[A]

And I find this with my wife and her sisters that growing up, we knew that chicken had E. Coli and that it could make you sick if not handled properly. My kitchen turns into a hazmat zone when raw chicken breast is being taken out of the bag. It's like it used to be just like, no, wash your hands after. Try not to cross contaminate. This is like we're putting down wax paper. There's gloves being used. I'm like, this is Instagram culture. Yeah, right?

[B]

That's so funny. Do you think it's because she's vegan or. No, like, do you think that it's

[A]

her mom do it too. Her mom does it too.

[B]

Okay, so then it's just a fan. It's a familial thing. I'm definitely. I used to be too loose, Josh. I was too loose with it. Okay. I would butcher my chicken on a plastic cutting board, which is like the worst thing you can do bad, ever. Ever. And no, not plastic. Wooden. Wooden. Because it seeps into the wood. You don't do that. It's yucky. You can't do that. And Claudia's better about it. She. She's worked me back to the middle, but I guess it's better to be safe than sorry, Josh. It's better to be safe than sorry when it comes to raw chicken.

[A]

So true. So true. Should we get to our great guest, Jesse Metcalf?

[B]

I was gonna say. Speaking of raw chicken, we have Jesse Metcalf.

[A]

More like raw beef. Sorry. He's so handsome, ladies and gents. He lives up to it.

[B]

Oh, my. Handsome. He's huge. You can tell from there.

[A]

You could tell from back there.

[B]

He is from back here. He looks like a fucking tank. He said he's 47, Josh. Yeah. He looked 26 from here. He's gorgeous. And it's all because of his new skincare line, which you'll hear all about. Neutral. Jesse Metcalfe, folks. Was it Jesse? Come on in. This episode of the Good Guys podcast is brought to you by our friends at IM8. Folks, it's always when you stop doing something that you realize how much it mattered. I'd been taking imate for a while, feeling great. And then life got busy. I skipped a couple of days. I got in my head. Big mistake. Big mistake. My energy dropped. My focus was gone. And it reminded me just how much it had been helping keep me together. Folks, Im8 is fantastic. It's a daily ultimate essentials drink that brings together 92. You heard that right. 92. Really high quality nutrients. Things like vitamins, minerals, adaptogens and all those good gut supporting pre pro and postbiotics plus clinical doses of CoQ10 and MSM. It's doing a lot of the heavy lifting behind the scenes. You have nutrient gaps. We don't know what they are. Okay. We don't know what they are. Ima can possibly fill those gaps. What's wild is that it actually replaces 16 different supplements instead of juggling a bunch of pills and powders. Who wants to do that? It's just one simple drink that gives me everything I need for full body health. And I love that. It's not all hype. It was actually co founded by David Beckham. How handsome is he? And developed with experts from Mayo clinic, Cedars Sinai and even a former NASA chief scientist. NASA, folks. NASA. And this product won't break the bank. It only costs $2.96 a day. That's it. $2.96 a day, folks. I love a morning routine. I I love filling nutrient gaps. Imate is a fantastic way to do that. Give your body what it deserves. With iM8, go to im8health.com goodguys and use code goodguys for a free welcome kit. Five free travel sachets plus 10% off your order. Seriously, this is one of those offers you'll wish you jumped on sooner. That's im8health.com goodguys and use code goodguys for a free welcome kit. Five free travel sachets plus 10% off your order. Iamaathealth.com goodguys code good guys Disclaimer these statements have not been evaluated by the food and drug administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any diseases.

[C]

Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

[B]

Jesse. We have a long history as well.

[C]

Do we?

[B]

Everything. Everything you've been in. Now let me tell you, like this is like, I guess it's desperate housewives. My wife picks the TV shows and let me tell you, I've seen every episode. So just, oh, wow, you're great. You're great.

[C]

You really Give her a lot of you just hand over the remote, by

[B]

the way, I would say too much power, but no, she doesn't have enough power. When she makes a decision, it's better when I make a decision, it's not good.

[C]

That's fair.

[B]

My first question, and then, Josh, I want to go into your story, Josh, but first question, is there something with the name John? We have John Tucker, we have John Rowland. I'm sure somebody else has asked this question before.

[C]

Someone else has asked this question.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, it makes me feel very, very basic. Yeah, I just played a lot of John's, you know, I. John's actually said this on the VI Files, you know, they kind of brought up that I played a lot of John characters. Yeah, yeah. Just a coincidence.

[B]

Just a coincidence. Okay. There's nothing deep.

[C]

I'm not pursuing only John roles. Yeah.

[A]

What was, was the Desperate like? Because these are like massive sort of landmark moments, especially in pop culture and whatnot. Like, what was the bigger life Change. Change. Desperate Housewives or John Tucker on it?

[C]

Without a doubt, Desperate Housewives.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, say more. I love, I love when we don't have to be civilians anymore. I love it, Love it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, Desperate's obviously iconic show. You know, I think iconic probably in the top 10, you know, maybe top 20. I don't know. Of best, most iconic television shows ever. Ever created. And yeah, I was, I was very lucky to get that role that was a recast, actually. A lot of people don't really. There was a. There was another gardener, you know, who was supposed to be having that illicit affair with Eva Longoria's character, Gabrielle Solis.

[A]

Had. They filmed with him.

[C]

They had filmed the pilot.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah, they had filmed the pilot and I was lucky enough to go in for that recast and book that role. It was a pretty, pretty stressful process. You know, back when you were auditioning for the network, in the studio, we had an initial audition and then you'd come back for the producers, then you, Then you'd test for the network in the studio. I mean, now I feel like they cast people off one tape. You know, it's not, it's not so much of a arduous process, but, you know, I didn't really think the show at the time was going to hit as big as it did because I came from soaps. I did five years on, you know, a soap opera that no longer exists right now called Passions.

[A]

Great.

[C]

One of my favorite Passions. Yeah, it came, Came on before Days of Our Lives, and I was I was hopeful that I could get, you know, break into prime time. And I did a full pilot season, and the opportunity to test for Desperate Housewives came at the end of that pilot season. And, you know, I was super, super excited, super nervous, and they, you know, they saw fit to give me the role.

[A]

And this is like the mid 2000, so maybe they could still get away with this. But, like, in the audition where they were, they like, take your shirt off or can we see you in a tank top?

[C]

You know, they didn't.

[A]

Good.

[C]

They. They didn't.

[B]

Because they probably could have gotten Josh. They knew. They knew.

[A]

I don't have to ask me in the waiting room. They're like, we can't do that to pack. They. I was asked once and I was like, here's where I lose the job. And I did. I lost.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

And then when you're.

[C]

Well, a lot of those storylines, you know, and that subject matter wouldn't fly, you know, Right. Right now either. Yeah, it was a different time, for sure.

[A]

Totally. Yeah. And what about when you're. But, like, when. At that. Especially at that moment, I mean, obviously you're in incredible shape now. Like, was there a pressure then to, like, you know, you got to be fit, you know that, like, you are going to be sort of displayed to the world?

[C]

Yeah, no, it was a lot of pressure.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I was working out, constantly watching everything that I ate. Luckily, I was 25 years old, so it was a lot easier, you know, to. To maintain, you know, when I was 20 years younger. Yeah, it's a little more challenging now, but I'd like to think I'm. I'm in pretty decent shape these days. Maybe even better shape. Maybe even the best shape of my.

[B]

You look huge.

[A]

You look.

[B]

At least from here, you look bigger. Like, much bigger.

[C]

Definitely.

[B]

What are we on?

[C]

I'm definitely bigger. I'm definitely.

[B]

What are we on, Jesse? What are we.

[C]

I mean, I. I take a little supplement stack, you know, I mean, good.

[B]

I don't.

[C]

I don't have. I don't have anything to hide. I take a little trt. I take some pest hides. You know, I'm. You know, I'm 46 years old and I'm. And I'm happy to. To share that. I mean, there isn't a person in this industry that's not on. On some supplement or on some peptide and the trt things getting, you know, I mean, every guy over. Over 40 seems to be on. On. On testosterone.

[A]

Is that.

[B]

Are you aware. Are you aware that you're On a pro supplement podcast. Just.

[C]

I had no idea. Although I did notice there was a lot of supplements in the waiting room. I actually had some collagen. I hope. I hope you don't mind my college.

[B]

Not at all. As long as. If you break out. If you break out, we have nothing to do with it. But if it's good and you don't see a breakout, I won't hold it. You can enjoy it.

[A]

Your skin really is incredible. I'm looking at it from here. Right? I'm jealous. Thank you. And I know you have a skincare line called Neutral. Is this all from Neutral? How good you look?

[C]

Well, I take pretty good care of myself. I'm definitely very health and wellness focused.

[A]

But tell me about the skin.

[C]

Well, that was part of the genesis of the skincare line.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, and, and speaking of collagen, you know, this is a collagen boosting skincare line. Incredibly Anti aging. We have an ingredient called Matrixyl 3000 in our anti aging under eye serum that boosts collagen by up to 350%. It's a cell signaling peptide that signals the fibroblast cells in your skin to produce more collagen.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe if you had known about this, you wouldn't have needed this surgery. Tell Jesse.

[A]

I told him I had my under eye. You know, I had a lower blf. This is my truth. I've had eyebags since I was 19, but I know I need a little. I need a little.

[C]

I. I get eye bags myself. I'm like super sensitive to sodium. Like, you know, if I have a couple slices of pizza the night before, the next day, it looks like I've been up for three days.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I, I get it. And I, and I'm. You know, I haven't had as any invasive procedures like, like your, Your lower blf, but I'm not. I'm not opposed to it. You know, I mean, I, I've had the. Probably the most invasive skincare procedure I've ever had was one CO2 facial. I also get accused of using Botox, which I've never actually used.

[B]

No way.

[C]

Yeah. I've never done any Botox.

[A]

Your skin tight.

[B]

Yeah. But, you know, by the way, it's. That's, it's the greatest compliment. It's the greatest compliment being accused of having any kind of surgery or using Botox. People say to me all the time, ben, did you have something? No, this is just. This is just perfect skin from Jesse's skin care line.

[C]

No, I, you know, Page Six ran a really nice article about me and my skincare line. And, like, you know, so people were coming out of the woodwork with all kinds of wild accusations about surgeries and, you know, and whatnot, you know, so I can, I can set the record straight here, you know, on Good guys.

[A]

That's unbelievable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I. We have a connection.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. And as you know, forever people have called me the ugly you. Right.

[C]

That is terrible. I am so sorry.

[A]

And they're right, Jesse. Seeing you in person, it confirms it.

[B]

And

[A]

so I'm 19 years old. Let's go back.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Dating my first girlfriend, lover, great person. We sadly break up. These things happen, Jesse. You know, they do. So about three weeks after we break up, and again, I'm walking around town, they go, hey, there's ugly Jesse Metcalf. I'm like, you better believe it, boss. You know, I'm at my local bagel place. And so about three weeks after we break up, my best friend's girlfriend calls me. She goes, oh, I'm so sorry. I said what? She goes, go look at Perez Hilton. So I go on Perez Hilton, and there's my girlfriend leaving some fancy Hollywood hotspot with you. Jesse.

[C]

This is supposed to end up in my favor.

[B]

This is supposed to end up in my favor.

[C]

This makes me look like a terrible person.

[A]

No, it doesn't. You didn't know we were broken up. You're an awesome person.

[C]

Wow. I feel terrible.

[A]

Here's the best part. Cut to 15 years later. I've been telling this story. Thank you. Because I've been telling this story for 15 years and people love it. And, and, and I'm. I'm in Vancouver, Canada, filming the great Turner and Hooch over Covid spent eight months there. We're finally flying home. We couldn't leave because, you know, everything was. The borders were closed. We were there for eight months straight. And I'm with my wife and my son Max, and we get on our plane back to L. A and who's sitting there? Jesse Metcalfe. Wow. Next to my wife, And all I see is. I see a text message coming from my wife saying, omg, your nemesis.

[B]

Wow, he did it again.

[C]

Well, listen, Josh, Josh, I don't need any more enemies, all right? I. I am so glad I. I'm here today so that you can share this story with me and we can clear the. And we can clear the air.

[A]

No air to be cleared. You were. And I got to say, my two year old son was having a hard plane ride. You were Lovely to him. You were lovely to my wife. And when we were. We recently went to a cool Porsche thing, and you couldn't have been lovelier when we first met officially, so thank you.

[C]

I really appre.

[A]

Yeah, I. This is. I hope this all looks poorly for me.

[C]

I mean, you know, I've definitely played a lot of roles that have given me a certain Persona, a certain reputation, if you will, you know, and I. And I, you know, maybe played into, you know, some of those stereotypes at certain points, you know, in my life, but I definitely looking to shed that Persona, you know, in. In my 40s here at 47 years old. You know, I. I don't want to be looked at like. Like. Like the real life John. So.

[B]

Yeah, Josh, all I have.

[A]

All I have to say is Shai

[B]

looks a lot like J.

[A]

It's my middle son. You hold your tongue. No, you're. I. And you know what? I don't. I think that's so healthy to. Because I'm as much a victim of that as being. Having. Spending my 20s and 30s in. In the public eye. Like, we're.

[C]

It was rough when we came up.

[A]

We're growing.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, that was really. That was really the beginning of, you know, online tabloid media. So, I mean, it was like there was a lot of stuff getting thrown around there, you know, that was not necessarily helpful, you know, or certain. Certainly detrimental to my career, you know, during certain periods. So, you know, it's a different time now, I think. I think people are a little. A little bit more sensitive, little bit more empathetic. But, you know, that. That early to mid 2000s, that mid 2000s period was, you know, I mean, they would. They would just say or write anything. Oh, yeah, they really would. It was brutal.

[A]

It's. I mean, look, we see it with Nancy Guthrie. You know, a ransom letter comes in.

[B]

They're like.

[A]

They don't vet it. They just said they broadcast it. Meanwhile, where is she?

[C]

I know.

[A]

Jesse knows. He's the first person. Babe, you were going to ask something.

[B]

I was just gonna say, like, what's the worst thing collectively that the tabloids have ever said about either of you?

[C]

It's hard to pick, like, one thing out specifically, but a lot of falsehoods, you know, and a lot of partial truths and a lot of exaggerations. And, I mean, the toughest thing is you try to be a normal human being and, you know, have a personal life, and the media is not privy to every detail. You know, it's almost like. Like, when you get out they don't know anything. They don't know anything. You know, when you get out of a relationship, when you get into a relationship, you know, and, and you don't want to be one of those celebrities that lives their lives in the media, you know, basically feeding the media information so that something, you know, so you can try to avoid anything negative being written about you. You know, I've never really played ball with the media like that. I'm not a huge fan of the media. You know, I honestly think it's, it's really all about ratings and clicks and they don't really care about people's actual lives and the damage that they do. But I've definitely been, you know, embroiled in some controversies, you know, during my career. There's no doubt about that. You know, most of which were around my personal life.

[B]

And how much of that, like depending on who you're dating, you would, you would assume or hope that nobody would ever read something and knowing you as a person, believe somebody that obviously doesn't know somebody that's writing something for clicks or person in the world.

[C]

There is, you know, that I'm not an expert on by any means, but I feel like one. If you're succeeding in life, there's a certain type of person that wants to believe anything negative said or written about you.

[B]

Sure, sure.

[C]

That's number one. Number two, I think that people do have a tendency to believe what they read. I mean, if you see something in print, you kind of half, half believe it. At least we're still doing it, you know, we're still scrutinizing every slight misstep in every possible interview for everybody, especially for, you know, bigger celebrities. Even, even the stuff that's in the, in the media right now about Timothee Chalamet, you know, criticizing opera and ballet. Like they're going at the guy so hard. It's like, yeah, I mean, deeply dumb

[A]

thing to say, but who cares?

[C]

Yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's pretty benign.

[A]

Yeah, it.

[C]

Totally dumb. Yes. But does it really matter? I mean, it's, it's shout out to me.

[A]

Yeah, he's another. He's like the three of us, you know, versions of. Of Metcalf.

[B]

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[C]

You know what's interesting about what we're talking about is now I now I think, and this, this sort of speaks to why I admire you, Josh. I think that, you know, the public is starving for authenticity and I think

[A]

we have to be. It's hard because we live inside of ourselves, right? And so we carry that because like from my wife and her friends to my buddy Luca, who's a big fan, as soon as your name got brought up, it was like, I want a skincare. I love listening to him on Jeff Lewis. I'm obsessed with his Hallmark movies. Like, so it's just like, it's hard because we carry a lot. We had a front row seat to it.

[C]

It's nice to hear just those small compliments from your group of friends because, you know, I also have an inner narrative and story that I tell myself and it's not particularly positive at times.

[A]

Well, you know, this is a podcast for you. This is called Radio K F ck.

[C]

The skincare lines direct to consumer. It's direct to consumer. It's called neutral skin. Nutrl skin.com Right now there's only four products. They're incredibly clean. No silicones, no parabens, no fragrances. They're lab grade products. I formulated these products. I developed this entire brand. The brand's only been available since April of last year. We're doing incredibly well. People love our, our serums. Also, you know, I mentioned our anti aging under eye serum, the Matrixyl 3000, which boosts your collagen. It also has argireline in it, which is often referred to as natural Botox because it instantly reduces muscle tension and the appearance of fine lines. So that's that's, it's. It's one of those sort of under eye serums that, you know, just instantly makes you look younger, but. But not one of the ones that sort of like glues your eye, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Open to where, like, it feels unnatural or awkward. And people are really responding to the product line. It's, it's selling, you know. We're also a subscription model. We're stacking subscribers. Our retention rate is great. I've had the support of a lot of beauty influencers that I'm friends with. We've had multiple television appearances on Good Morning America, the View, Tamron Hall. So it seems to be moving in the right direction.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. Amazing. Well, your skin looks amazing. I'm going to take it. And then all of a sudden my skin's going to look too amazing. How can you. And then people are going to be.

[C]

How can you look?

[B]

I don't know. I really don't know, Jesse. I don't even moisturize. There's nothing on this. Wow.

[C]

That's all natural.

[A]

But he's also like. He's also like 28. No. Zippo.

[B]

Zippo. 33. 33. Almost 34. Zippo.

[A]

Start now. You got to preempt it. That's why I started taking cholesterol medicine.

[B]

Preempt now. If I'm going to take anything. Yes. I'm going to take neutral for sure.

[A]

Are you really not going to put on a moisturizer because I just told you to?

[B]

I wear nothing. I wear nothing. This skin, it's. It's great. Neutral or Nothing because you're 33.

[C]

Good tagline.

[A]

No, Jesse.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Neutral or nothing. That's fucking right.

[A]

Yell at him, Josh.

[B]

What? Do you own a competitor? Neutral or nothing.

[A]

Put on neutral and put my moisturizer. Everyone looks good at 33.

[C]

Okay. I love it.

[A]

Open your phone.

[B]

Go buy it now.

[A]

In front of.

[B]

I'm using the under eye serum, Josh. That's what I'm starting with.

[A]

I don't know who's giving you all these compliments. You look so good.

[B]

I don't. Okay. You want me to take everything all at once?

[A]

I want you to put on a moisturizer. It's like the easiest thing ever.

[C]

That's what's great about our line, actually. And really the ethos behind the line, why I created it. I wanted to create something that was simple.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That sort of cut through the noise of the skincare market, which is insanely just like, over complicated, you know, Everything's about, like, marketing drivers. It's like it's style over substance, you know. So I, I created a four step routine that was just super simple that, you know, husbands and wives, boyfriends and girlfriends could share so you didn't have to have 50 products on your, on your bathroom counter. I don't know what your bathroom counter looks like, but mine, mine can get pretty, pretty cluttered. You know, I get gifted a lot of products and you know, my girlfriend loves to try this and loves to try that and I sort of wanted to just, you know, pare it down a bit and make it a little bit more accessible for men.

[A]

Jesse, thank you for coming on, man. You're the best.

[C]

Of course.

[A]

Ben, if you don't moisturize, I'm gonna beat you up.

[B]

We'll get you started by the way. I'm starting with the under eye serum and we'll go from there. Put on my face.

[C]

What do you want from me?

[A]

It's so easy. So dumb. Thanks, dude.

[B]

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[A]

You know what I'd say, though, and I know this is the ultimate of segues for you with your new, exciting announcement. Isn't Keels kind of androgynous?

[B]

Kiehl's is androgynous. I've never heard them say directly that they are gender neutral, but you're absolutely right. They do still make products for men and women separately. But overall, if you use one of their products, anybody can use their products. Their face creams, certainly. And yes, Josh, you did team me up perfectly. But I really made this product for you. I don't know if you know that today or really. Yesterday, we released a limited edition collab. We. By we, I mean Spritz Society with Kiehl's. It is ultra Berry Hydration. 10 calories, no sugar, no alcohol. It is our sparkling hydration drink. We're talking electrolytes, Josh, coconut water, all the things. So you can drink it, you can enjoy a Spritz Society. And yeah, I just am very, very excited about it. We've never done a non alk before. Kiehl's was amazing to work with. So, yeah, Kiehl's spritssociety.com you can shop it today. Limited edition. The limited edition non elk collab with Kiehl's Ultra Berry.

[A]

Should we get to some weird news?

[B]

Oh, my God. Yes. Yes. What's going on in the world? Is a woman raising an alligator?

[A]

I actually have some fun food news.

[B]

Ooh. I have a.

[A]

We have a best bite and a worst bite. The best bite seems to be Magnolia Bakery's famous banana pudding meets PB&J. That's right. Magnolia Bakery's banana pudding now will have a beautiful jelly spread in there. Ooh, a little peanut butter. I cannot wait to try this.

[B]

My God.

[A]

Magnolia sent to us.

[B]

I am a banana pudding from Magnolia Whore. And the idea of combining that with peanut butter and jelly. Holy shit.

[A]

Sick.

[B]

That sounds unbelievable. Unbelievable. And what's the worst bite, Josh?

[A]

Well, funny enough, the worst bite is that Reese's and High Smile debut a peanut butter cup toothpaste. There are brand collabs, and then there are brand collabs that make you pause mid scroll. Reese's has teamed up with oral care brand High Smile to launch peanut butter cup toothpaste. And if you checked your calendars right now, no, it's not April Fool's Day yet. Yucky. No.

[B]

What are we, dogs?

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

That's for a dog. Like. Like, I don't even understand. Like, the whole point is, unless you're. I don't. Know, Olivia, are you gonna want to smooch the great Ethan if his breath smells like peanut butter? No, we're looking for minty fresh. You want a good freaking collab? Hello. Smile. Do it with Big Red. Oh, baby. That's a good collab.

[A]

Yeah. Hot tamales.

[B]

Hot tamales. That would be delicious. Me, Maybe even a Mike and Ike. Yeah, Okay. A nice green peanut butter. What are you nuts?

[A]

I guess the good news is it does have fluoride in it. Because, Ben, wait till I tell you about my recent trip to the dentist.

[B]

Just tell me and think about this,

[A]

because I sure have. She says to me, she goes, you using a fluoride toothpaste? I go, Dr. Hooper, what am I, some kind of asshole? Every day. Every day. She goes, you know, I can really tell. No cavities for you. She goes, josh, when I tell you the uptick in cavities that I'm seeing here, she's like 5x amount of cavities since this whole removing fluoride from your toothpaste thing has become popular. And I'll meet her at this. It's only great for her business. So why would she have any aversion to it other than she has a commitment to oral health care?

[C]

Right.

[A]

The money is in no fluoride, and yet she still tells you to use it.

[B]

I love to hear this, because I've been. I forgot that I was nervous about it, but I got a fluoride treatment, Josh, when I was little.

[A]

Oh, you grind my gears. Suffer. You grind my gears.

[B]

I got a fluoride treatment probably in kindergarten, okay? And let me tell you, Josh, this guy. You know how many cavities I've gotten?

[A]

Zero.

[B]

Zero. Wow. Not one fucking cavity, okay? And these people have gotten in my brain. They're like, oh, my God. Am I messing with my brain with my fluoride treatment? Oh, my God. Am I gonna. Da, da, da. No. That's it, Josh. That's all we needed. Me, you, and Dr. Hooper. Okay. It's great. I feel great about it. We're all in. We're all in. Now, what we should do, Josh, Reese's should come out with a collab. Fluoride. Reese's. Okay. That's what we should do. Put the fluoride in the Reese's.

[A]

I want my. From the Mars Bars Corporation.

[B]

That's where I want it. That's where it belongs. Put it. Don't take it out of my water. Put it back in everything. Put it in more.

[A]

Yes. Betty Crocker. Throw some fluoride in it, would ya?

[B]

Sure. Rice.

[A]

I'm in a Roni the fluoride Frisco tree. Ben, you got a what of your nuts?

[B]

Our what are you nuts? Moment is our gripes with people, places and things both big and tall, whatever's sticking in your craw. Do I? Yes, I do, Josh.

[A]

Great.

[B]

Oh, do I have a what are you nuts? Okay, we're at dinner, me and you. Okay, Maybe it's a group. Maybe it's eight of us. You turn to somebody and you say, should we order dessert? And they say, you know, I'm not really a dessert person. What are you, nuts? What are you nuts? You could have said to me. I'm trying to cut back. I don't want dessert. It's not for me. It's not for my current lifestyle. I don't feel good after it. I don't want to order dessert.

[A]

That's.

[B]

I'm not a dessert person. What are you, nuts? Of course you're a dessert person who's not a dessert person. And if you're actually not a dessert person, we just have nothing in common. Somebody said that to me recently, and I was like, are you crazy? You're not a dessert person. It's just because you're on 10 milligrams of Zepbound. You're a dessert person. You just don't. Maybe you don't remember. Okay, but you're a dessert person.

[A]

Some people are really savory. People. Like, Paige isn't a big dessert person. She's not like a big, sweet scout. She'll. She'll fucks with some gummies. She'll. She'll. She'll do it. But some people are more savory. She's not savory either. She doesn't like eating. But.

[B]

No, I just know that if I'm at dinner with your wife, okay, maybe we go to the beautiful Catch. Maybe they have somehow switched cuisines, and they have a beautiful banana creme brulee. If I say, should we order the banana creme brulee? She's not looking at me and saying, ben, I'm not a dessert person.

[A]

She's not.

[B]

She's making something up. She'll make something up.

[A]

Oh, she'll say the phrase.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She's not saying that. Who says that?

[A]

Not a dessert person. There was a TikTok, a meme. Or. I think it was a. There was a TikTok of a guy, and it was, tell me you're a white guy without telling me. You're a white guy. And it's just him trying to dessert and going, oh, I like it. It's not too sweet. So good.

[B]

You got one.

[A]

Josh, my Woody nuts moment of the week is you know the great Shia LaBeouf, a buddy of mine, a great dude. Love him. One of our great actors and certainly, you know, having his moments, going, going through it a little bit shout out. But the thing about it is, is that people like to always write under his any video of him. They go, don't mess with Shia. He about that life. Because you grew up in east la. Don't mess with shy about that life. No, he's not. No, he's not. Nah, he's Shia LaBeouf. He's a guy from Transformers and even Stevens. He was a theater kid. Do your research. Okay. Like they're great artists and they're not about. Maybe they were once bout about it, but they bout it no more.

[B]

By the way, the person commenting it. The person commenting it also isn't bout it. Just so we're on the same page. Okay. If you're commenting on Instagram, he's bout it. You're not bout it. You like how I shortened it about it bout it.

[A]

My favorite rapper, Bow Wow.

[B]

Let me tell you who's certainly not bowed it. Me.

[C]

Okay,

[B]

I'm not bout it. But Josh, you know what? I am bout giving this episode five stars. Okay? That's what I'm fucking bout. Listen to us Mondays and Thursdays, wherever you get your podcasts. And once a week, okay, look, rate this podcast five stars. Not four, not three, not two, not one. Rate it five, okay? And if you rate it five once a week, Josh is gonna hand pick.

[A]

Sure am.

[B]

Okay, like the star that you are. The five star review and read it aloud. Josh, what do we got? Anything? Great.

[A]

I'd love to tell you something that from Amy Jo 0914. If I could give six stars, I would. I'm working on my way through the back catalog on my commute to work. Let me tell you, I'm healing my inner child one episode at a time. Love laughing with you guys on the daily.

[B]

Yeah.