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Joe Rogan, Short Shorts, and Cowboy Caviar
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Mazel Morons! Today, Josh debuts his rugged new beard era (is he auditioning for a 1923 cameo?) while Ben absolutely refuses to grow one. From there, we dive into an unfiltered, surprisingly thoughtful debate about GLP-1s, diet culture, and why modern medicine might actually be… good? We also get into why crash diets don’t work (but lifestyle resets might,) the $500 award submission drama surrounding Joe Rogan, and the behind-the-scenes reality of TV wardrobe politics. Plus: dips on dips, cowboy caviar chaos, and a What Are You Nuts that will make you rethink your fridge rules forever. Leave us a voicemail here! Follow us on Instagram and TikTok! Sponsors: Head to livemomentous.com, and use promo code goodguys for up to 35% off your first order Earn points on rent and around your neighborhood, wherever you call home, by going to joinbilt.com/goodguys Head to Ollie.com/GOODGUYS, tell them all about your dog, and use code GOODGUYS to get 60% off your Welc...
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Two Jews, both big and tall. No subject too small for the Good Guys. A mother's dream premium podcast team. Make it your weekly routine. It's a Good Guys.
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And if you don't give us five stars.
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What are you nuts? What are you nuts? Yeah, we're the good guys. They're not the great guys. We're just the good of the good.
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Of the good guys.
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Mazda Morons. Welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. Josh.
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You know, I have to tell you, okay, I've seen the comments on Instagram. I've seen them all. And I gotta tell you, the world, including myself, is loving this beard.
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B
They love it, don't they?
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C
Is it too itchy or are you doing okay?
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B
No, I love it. It's been really good to me. And it's. My wife likes it. I'm trying it out. And then recently, the wonderful Fallon, my dear friend who cuts my hair, she was like, let me just get in there. And I said, say less, queen. And she came in and did like a nice trim up. It took like 15 minutes, but she really. And it needed shape and molding, and I feel good now.
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C
I wonder what this is going to do to your acting career. I think this makes you a completely different person.
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B
I think it'd be believable that I'd be on a Taylor Sheridan show right now, whereas before it was less.
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C
I think that it makes it like, I'll, like, see you, but then I'll do a double take and I'll be like, is that Josh in 19? What is it? 1918, 1927. What's the name of that show, the prequel to 19 something, 1900s. Is that really Josh on that big fricking Clydesdale? I think it's gonna do wonders. Okay, keep it. We all say keep it. And I read a couple of comments. They're like, ben, you need to grow some facial hair. No, I don't. Okay. This is Josh's thing. The longer my. If my hair even gets this long. Too itchy, it's gotta go. I can have light stubble. That's it. I can't deal with the itch and I'm not willing to wait it out.
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B
It's only a week of discomfort. But what would you look like if you let it go for two months?
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Terrible. I'll send you a picture of me during COVID I just look homeless. I was also like, peak fat peak Rosie o'. Donnell. Like, Les with a beard. I looked like the bearded lady from Greatest Showman. Like, that was literally me. And I just think that that's. I just wasn't built for a beard. I don't know. Even though my dad has been rocking this like he's had a goatee. He's a big facial hair guy. But, no, not me.
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B
Wow. Well, maybe in time. You do look thin as a fiddle. You look fit, fit, fit. Shout out Ro Company for hooking us up with our DLP1. We love you, Ro.
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C
And we do.
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I just want to. I just want to. I think. You think Roe, you think Serena Williams, you think Ben and Josh.
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C
Yeah, no, you should think Ben and Josh and then Serena Williams, because I. We can speak from experience. We are 1000% taking them. Okay. Serena. I don't know.
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She looks the same.
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She's always looked great. This. Okay, Josh, come on, come on.
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Wow. Gorgeous.
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Come on.
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You're perfect.
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This is authenticity at its finest. Okay.
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I don't like that people will sometimes comment on my videos and be like, oh, you know, he's got GLP one body. Or he's got this or that. I'll be like, honey, anyone who knows, who knows, knows. I lost this 20 years ago.
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C
Correct.
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But now I'm taking it for its longevity practices. And I don't mind that my appetite's slightly cursed. Did you.
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Did you see the Row commercial? Was it a Row commercial during the super bowl or was it just a glp? I think it was a RO commercial. There was a GLP commercial.
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B
Okay.
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That I really hope was ro. Regardless, whoever it was, I'm giving them their flowers. It was amazing. It was like, it was a constant game of comparing. It was like, if there was a drug out there that stopped you from being an asshole, would you take it? And it was just like all these celebrities, like, talking about, like, things that if you could stop doing and there was a magic pill for it, obviously you would take it. And this idea that we live in a world that can suppress a fatty's appetite and we shouldn't take it is nuts. Of course we should take it. Every single person, Every single person that was really fat and went on a GLP and is significantly less fat. Their blood tests are so much better. Everything is better.
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Everything.
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So, like, this. This stigma, I'm hoping that we're kind of, like, slowly getting rid of it. But the stigma and the idea that this exists and you shouldn't take it. Nuts.
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It's all nuts. And it also. I take issue with this idea and absolutely the, you know, having issues with ultra process foods and so much of the fuckery that has happened because of hard body karate, capitalism with our, with, with drugs, with food is absolutely a worthy and right argument. But also this whole idea of like the carnivore diet, or let's completely avoid any of these incredible things that we've created over the last hundred years. I'm like, why that dog? You know, people like to make this argument that like, we're less healthy than ever. I'm like, I don't think that's true. I think if you actually look at like the, the analytics of the last hundred years, we're only living longer for the most part, and any momentary blips are sort of circumvented by long term, that we are just living longer. So I, you know, I see it a lot with people who resist taking some kind of antidepressant and what have you. And clearly everyone is specific. This is not medical advice. Talk to your doctor about it or a licensed professional. But I think that it can be a wonderful tool. In addition to eating better, living better, doing cognitive behavioral therapy, all these things for the right person, it can really be beneficial. And I hope those people, or at least in my experience I felt a big barrier to entry because I was afraid of, you know, what people would say, what I'd heard, how it would change me. And it really only changed me for the better in my experience. So I hope anyone who does need it and is open to it and doesn't feel the pressure of people being like, resist and reject all modern medicine.
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Yeah, and you bring up a very interesting point with the carnivore diet and these crash diets, and you start to think of the psychology of why a fat person, myself very much included, my whole family, include everybody. Okay? Like, the reason why we gravitate towards crash diets is the same reason why we can't stop eating. It's because we have compulsive behavior. Our brain is wired to need to eat. So then we rewire our brain to just need to eat this specific set of things, but we're still able to go all in. Like, that's why a carnivore diet, a keto diet, like the keto diet was. I loved the idea of it because somebody said to me, you can still.
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Eat as much as you want.
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Get sick, just get sick on fat fish meat, you know, and it's just, it's interesting. It doesn't ever solve. And then I swear, this isn't a commercial. We're just passionate about it. What GLP1s do is they solve that problem where it's no longer, I need to eat everything. And then the magic happens where it's like, oh, my God, Josh, I can fucking have a slice of pizza, okay? I can have a bowl of pasta. I can have anything I want and still lose weight because I'm eating in a calorie deficit, because my brain doesn't need to eat till it wants to throw up. That's the magic.
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And I totally agree with making medicine a last resort in all these cases, but my counter argument is don't make it the fifth time last resort. Like, don't try what you've been trying to. Five times it has failed before. And then finally, years later, going, I guess I'll try it. Like, do what you can within your own sort of power, you know, once, twice. But by then be like, maybe I should entertain something different. Because that's what I find. People, like, wait years and years and years. And I'm like, I just. There's too much evidence that says the way you've been doing it doesn't work or doesn't work completely.
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No, it doesn't work. These diets in general don't work. They don't. They don't. Because the second that you call it a diet, it's over. It's temporary. You're meant to lose, and then you'll try something new.
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What would you call it when I lost £100 between, like, the age of 17, 19, without any help from a.
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GLP, a complete lifestyle reset.
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That's fair.
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With. With incredible diligence, hard work. I wasn't there to see it, but you clearly transformed your entire life. You didn't call it I'm going on a diet. You probably said, I am changing my life forever. Like, the term diet to me. And diet culture is, I'm gonna try this fad and see if it works for me, and when it doesn't, I'm gonna try a different fad. And that's just what it is. You're jumping from one to the next and expecting just this magic pill. When diets are not magic pills. Lifestyle changes are magic pills. And most people cannot make that lifestyle change for whatever reason. I don't. I don't know why. Without something like an Ozempic, you were able to. But most are not. And if they do lose the weight, they 99% of the time gain it back.
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It's fascinating, but also right. Like, we have decided about so many things before this with modern medicine and just like the modern sort of innovations of the last few hundred Years that, like, there are many things that we had lived with for thousands of years that don't have to be reality anymore. So is now obesity that, like, yes, maybe for our kids generation or their kids generation, like, obesity will just be a illness of the past.
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I think it kind of becomes lung cancer, where of course you can get lung cancer from not smoking. But right now we know if you don't smoke cigarettes, your chances of not getting lung cancer are significantly higher. And it's the same thing. You don't have to be obese if you want to be obese. You can absolutely not take a glp. You cannot change your lifestyle. You can eat whatever the hell you want. You can be as gluttonous as you want, and that's totally fine. Right. Just don't be, don't be shocked that you're obese and that the diseases that come from obesity will probably happen to you. But I think that's what it's going to be. It's like we're going to look at somebody who is obese and no longer think like, oh, I'm so sad that he's obese. We're gonna think, oh, he really could have changed that. You know, it's the same thing. And I don't mean to not make light of lung cancer, but of course, when you hear that somebody got lung cancer because they smoked three packs of Marlboro Reds a day for 50 years, you have a very different reaction than somebody got lung cancer because they were unlucky.
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Sure.
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You know, and I think that's what's gonna happen. Do you agree?
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Yeah, I think it'll be. It certainly will be a choice, and obviously it's not for everyone, but I agree. I think in many cases it will be circumvented. And it was a thing that was like, basically like, you know, it was the thing that we were all in an uproar about for the last 30 years.
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My whole life, for sure. Yeah, yeah.
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And now it just doesn't have to be that way. So I think it's like overall a massive net positive. And not without some side effects, obviously. And things that come with all things.
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Look, I've never been more sure that we need to do everything in our power, Olivia. Everything in our power. Tell, dear media, tell the publicists, we need Dr. Nazardin. Yeah, okay.
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It's time.
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He has. He's been. He's been on our list. I know. If you don't know Dr. Nazardin, he doesn't. The doctor of weight loss on TLC. Like my thousand pound everything. He's the guy, okay? And we the fact that we are too passionate about this Josh not to hear from the expert's mouth. He definitely knows why. The thousand pound sisters are 1,000 pounds.
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And I want to know why.
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I got to know. I had this moment. I was watching. I don't know what side of TikTok I'm on, but this woman was on there who is a. A dancer of the night. Let's call her. She's a stripper. And she was like. She's like, I'm gonna work five days straight this week. Come with me to see how much money I make. And she made a killing, right? Like more than a thousand dollars a night. I'm like, hell, yeah. Go. You like making that money? Amazing. She's like, it's been an exhausting week. I've had to deal with a couple weirdos, but I made over $5,000 this week. And I'm so happy. And I'm like, hell, yeah, girl. Get it. Yes. She goes, and I'm. I'm going to take all this money and put it towards my music. And I'm like, yikes, you lost me.
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I was like, God, oh, so funny and so sad.
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I was like, don't do that.
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You just worked so hard. Why are you wasting it?
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Yeah.
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Also, Josh, why would music cost you five grand? Well, if you have a good voice and a phone, isn't that enough right now?
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I don't know.
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Go on TikTok and sing.
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Olivia is a musician. She would probably have some insight into this.
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Yeah, I think when it comes to video time, that's where a lot of people will sink their money or if they want to be a musician, particularly in like, maybe like hip hop or, you know, a genre, pop sometimes where it's like it needs more of a produced track. Sure, you're not a producer, but you like to sing and write songs. Then you would probably be paying, like, somebody to create the track for you and then book the studio time, you know, be able to pay for a distributor, all that kind of stuff. And then, you know, some people really like to pour money into music videos and things, but you can do a lot with a lot by paying a lot less. Especially if you teach yourself, like, how to do stuff, which is kind of what I've done is just like, you know, learn I mean that's how I got into like audio engineering for podcasting was because of music. But yeah, you don't have to put $5,000 into it. Definitely.
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C
But can't you. I'm trying not to trivialize this. Like, we live in such a unique time, especially for a vocalist. It's different if you're not a vocalist, but if you, if, if, if you have a great voice, go on TikTok and fucking sing and let somebody find out that you have a great voice and then they'll pay for the studio time. Yeah, but like this idea that you're gonna like make a demo and go and bring it to a music production company, I'm pretty sure that they would tell you to go on TikTok. Like all that they care about is, is that not all that they care about right now. Social media, followers to drive streams.
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I actually one of my friends works at a Warner Music group and there's a guy who is from Cincinnati and he like blew up on TikTok over the past like year and a half, two years or so. And it was just because of one song that he had, he'd been playing in a band forever like back home and then they had all taught themselves how to record stuff. So they self produced this album. He put a little video on TikTok and it blew up and like I would play a sample of song. His name is Michael Marche, but you've probably heard it like shopping somewhere now. But he's like a serious artist and he just started. He was found on TikTok. It happens all the time.
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C
All the time.
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But don't you think too what we've come to find out with record deals and I'm sure they're a little bit better, but probably not much is that it's basically like indentured servitude. Like you are signing away in many cases some of the best years and work you're going to do. Now granted the record companies taking a huge leap of faith too in that they won't make their money back by putting all this money behind you for studio time, for touring, blah, blah, blah. But I think what I'm finding in this era of like self produced people where comedians are making their own specials and musicians are finding their audience on TikTok or Instagram for no money. It's like if you can get over that year to maybe it's two or three years of discomfort of not having that money fronted to you and you can figure out a way to survive and become big, it's like, I think in the modern era, the ability in which to not get an advance and using your power to negotiate a bigger piece of the pie. So that. Because that's how they get you, right? They're like, we'll give you a million up front, but you're going to get 5% if this thing ever blows up. And I think, like, I don't think that's necessary anymore. And I think long term, you'll make so much more if you can make a killer deal because you didn't ask for a bunch of money up front.
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100%, and you're not entitled to anything upfront. Like, I'll give a little inside baseball. Josh, our first podcast deal was nothing up front. We did it. We bet on ourselves. You know what I mean? Like, and that's. That's the way that it should be. Like, if you're. If you're going into something saying, I'm going to make money on my music. I say this all the time with people who are, like, talking about cooking on Instagram or, like, doing fashion on Instagram. Like, if you're going into it with the intention that I'm gonna use social media to make money, you're gonna fail. If you're going into it saying, I'm gonna launch a podcast and I'm gonna do it weekly with my best friend, because we have a lot of great things that we want to talk about. And after 52 weeks, we're gonna see what happens. But we think it's really good. And you go into it with, no, there's nothing, you know, there's no expectations. I just. I think you bet on yourself.
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Yeah, but I mean, if you're a singer, right, in theory, the record deal is going to have to write. What they're paying for is that producer who's going to cost 150,000 to produce your album. And then they're also paying for, you know, so maybe your album's 200. And then they get you a stylist for 75 grand to decide on what your look is for your debut. And then they're spending half a million dollars on hotels and travel for your, you know, couple dozen shows that you're doing in that year. So again, it's like, I. And this might sound insane, especially to artists who naturally don't have a lot of dough when they start, but it's like, if you can find a way to avoid that, because in exchange for all that, they're like, and in. For your next five albums, we get 95% of it, right?
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C
Yeah.
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Like, it's just a really rough deal, and it's not gonna. And that's how we benefited from the podcast, that it was, like, by us being willing to take nothing up front. When we could renegotiate, we were like, well, we have some power because we have a great fan base. The morons.
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C
The morons, exactly. And a great show.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Bet on yourself. I don't know. And we're living in such, like, a cool time to be a creative. Like, just go create. Don't think about anything other than creating. That was what I was trying to say. Wow. Love this episode. So deep.
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B
We're so deep. I also am late on this, but I wanted to ask your opinion, and I'm not any. You know, I find him as much of a Joe Rogan fan as anyone else of his podcast. Like a couple episodes. I love a couple episodes. I'm not into some of the things he says. I'm like, yeah, it's a good point. Some of the things he says, I'm like, what, are you, nuts? But I did think it was a fair point when I heard that there was a podcast award at the Golden Globes, which were a couple of weeks ago, which Amy Poehler won. Shout out. Much respect to her, but her pod's been around for a year. Rogan's been around for 15 years and basically created and changed the landscape of podcasts everywhere. And I do think it's crazy that he didn't win having the number one podcast in the world. He also said that he wouldn't give the $500 it took to register to be nominated, which I have heard you have to pay to be nominated. What do you think?
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C
So you have to. I'd love to know, in acting film, if you want your movie to be recognized, you have to pay. You have to submit it. Correct. And you have to pay.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It's like a college application.
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C
Yeah. So in the alcohol business, if we want to win any kind of an award, you have to try and. Like, there's like multiple. Like. Like, it's like a gold star for flavor or something. Like the San Francisco winery competition, There are a million of these, and you pay a fee, and then you figure out if. And sometimes it feels scammy. But I don't think the Golden Globes would be one of those things where I would think to myself, this feels scammy. I would think if I was Joe Rogan, that if I wanted to win it, which he obviously would have won it, I would have paid the $500 because it's worth more than that in legitimacy and publicity. Or he feels that he doesn't need that, and maybe he doesn't need that. But I don't know. I thought that I heard what he said and I think he obviously has the biggest podcast in the world, but these shows are subjective. Like, if. I don't know, I definitely think that the toast could have been up there. Like a show that's like. If you're thinking about like a cult fan base that's been there for a very long period of time. So to your point, Amy Poehler just came on. It seems like a fantastic podcast. I've seen great clips. I'm sure it's pulling incredible numbers. But just like any of these awards, it's subjective and we have yet another subjective award to give out. But I thought that it was an unbelievable net positive for the entire podcasting industry. Like, so legitimizing that old school media is finally recognizing it. So I don't, I don't know, I thought it was like, kind of weak of Joe, like, pay the 500 bucks or don't talk about it and don't care. Like, but you care enough to talk about it, right?
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B
I. Yeah. I mean, I've been nominated for silly awards before. Right. Like that aren't televised and they've said you need to register. Or like some have been like, you have to send a hundred bucks to be nominated. And it just like there's something, I guess, because I know how much these things make.
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A
Right.
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B
From the TV production, from the commercials, from the endorsements, you know, X Award show presented by Microsoft. Or like, you know, there's just so, I mean, it's the winners, the true winners of award shows are the producers who, you know, are making millions of dollars for this thing.
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C
Sure.
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B
I guess it's a barrier to entry. Right. So this way you're not getting a bunch of bullshit applicants to an Ivy League school if you have to pay $300 to apply or whatever. But I just always wonder where that money's going.
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C
Yeah.
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B
For.
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C
I think for school, you're right. It limits non serious people, non serious people from applying when, like, they're not like, oh, I probably wasn't going to get into Harvard, and the fact that I need to waste $300, I'm just not going to apply.
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B
Sure.
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Like, I think that makes sense. But for something like the Globes, where you're being told that your category is new at the Globes and you know, you have the biggest Podcast, just do it.
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B
You're right.
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C
Or don't talk about it. It's not like. It's very silly. I read that, too. I was like, joe, this is silly. Like, why are you talking about this? If you care, pay the $500. Cause you have a hundred, 200 million or whatever it is. And I know it's not about the money, but then what is it about?
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B
Yeah, it's fascinating to see what he cares about, because I actually feel like he hears and cares about much more than we realize. He just takes his time to reply, and he's thoughtful with his reply, but he always replies. He's got a.
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D
Wait for it.
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C
I'm just thinking, like, where does. And maybe it doesn't go further than something like the Globes, but in the movies, you have everything from the Academy Awards to a Sundance to a Tribeca to. It's not just one enormous award show, but there's the opportunity for indie smaller movies to get their flowers. Like, I wonder if that happens with these alternative forms of media, too.
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B
In general, I just think there's too many award shows. And so I think to the public, the award. Like, if you made award shows for entertainment like the World cup or the Olympics, and they were every four years, can you fucking imagine? I mean, publicists would throw a fit because they'd be like, I'm out of business, but could you guys imagine? Unbelievable.
- [28:17]
C
Unbelievable.
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B
And.
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C
But I'm just. I want to ask it maybe a different way. How in the world is a good Guys, a toast? These are not podcasts produced by studios. Right. Amy Poehler is a product of that machine. She's in that machine. She lived that machine. That's why she's nominated and won.
- [28:39]
B
Sure.
- [28:39]
C
So I guess my thought is like, we the basement yard or like these podcasts where we're just, like, scrolling through TikTok, we see hilarious clips. They're huge shows with huge fandoms. I wonder if there's somehow a system that can be put in place to give those shows their flowers too, because they're actually the ones that people are watching and listening to. Not saying people aren't watching and listening to Amy Poehler. I'm just saying there are other shows that, again, didn't go through the same system.
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B
Yeah, Olivia. The Independent Podcast Awards. I love it. The ipa, it's so hoppy.
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A
It is.
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D
I do it so hoppy.
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C
I love it.
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A
Actually, the 2026 iHeart podcast award nominees, they've been going on for a few years now, but I see that the toast was the first comedy podcast they.
- [29:26]
C
Did, which is fucking sick.
- [29:27]
A
Alongside the basement yard. He couldn't hang a couple other ones, but hell yeah. Yeah. So I think that's where I see a lot more like shows kind of in smaller shims to get a chance to get their flowers. Like ones that are maybe reporting on more business or things like that. But yeah, there's that. There's the Ambies and there's the Levy Awards, which kind of touch everything and I guess the stream is. But yeah, iHeart's have the biggest. Yeah, I think iHeart and the IPAs are the biggest. Like podcast awards and the IPAs have.
- [29:55]
B
Been gone on for long.
- [29:57]
C
Have. Has iHeart given an award before for podcasting or. This is the first year.
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A
Yeah, yeah, they've been doing it for a few years now. I want to say. Let me find out how long it's been going on.
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B
I don't think it's been going on that long.
- [30:09]
C
It hasn't, right?
- [30:10]
B
It can't be right. It's not like we haven't been nominated ever. And it's been around for a long time. Right?
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C
Oh, my God, Josh. I forgot to. I forgot to pay the $500. That's why this is so rogue and coded of you.
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D
Shit.
- [30:29]
C
I forgot to spend the 500. Four years we would have been nominated.
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B
We've only been around for four years, so I didn't spend the. What?
- [30:38]
C
Okay, I at least should have been holding a phone. I'm literally looking at an invisible phone.
- [30:45]
B
That's nice object work. That's my work.
- [30:48]
C
I thought so. I thought so. This episode of the Good Guys podcast.
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B
Now tell me this. I was listening to the comedian Jade Catapretta on the Jim Norton pod, which is fantastic podcast, and I don't know if you remember, but she's a comedian, really funny, Brazilian, and she, she took over for Joel McHale as the host of the Soup for a year or two.
- [35:29]
C
Yep.
- [35:30]
B
And she told this story that made me livid while listening to it, that she came in and like most shows, the producers, you're the new host. The producers were pretty heavy handed, I think. And Jade, who's a wonderful looking person, they were like, oh, we want you to wear these, like really short shorts on one of the episodes. And the designer who. And like. And Jade Said, I. I had worked with the designer, and we'd come up with, like, kind of a wardrobe that I loved and felt confident about. And then the wardrobe stylist just one day came in and said, okay, here's your shorts. You know, they want you in these. And she was like, no. She's like, I don't want to wear that. And basically said, Joel McHale didn't have to wear those. I don't want to have to wear them. And she said that her agency called her and said, hey. She's like. And it was like an all hands on, like, phone call. And all of her agents go, hey, just want you to know, like, the show's coming out next week. The network's really excited, but, you know, they just want you to know that you can be replaced. And I've heard this before. I've heard a threat like this of, like, just so you know you can be replaced. And it made me apoplectic. What would you do in that scenario? Now, granted, and. And in Jade's defense, like, I've so been in that position where, like, you feel powerless. You feel like this is a job that's going to change your life, and you just, like, have to get it on air and do what you can. Granted, thankfully, she didn't have to wear the shorts, but, like. And, Olivia, please feel free to weigh in. But I was like, ooh. Like, at this time in my life, I would say, message received. Let's not do this. I would call their bluff in a second and make their life miserable. Ten years ago, I wouldn't. Well, what do you guys think?
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C
I think it's something that comes from. From time and experience to what you just said. I think that if I felt like it was a big break, that would change my career. I'm the type of person that 100% bends the knee, and I'm like, cool, okay, I'll wear the shorts. Because I see what's after the shorts. I'm not saying that's right, but that is something that I would have done. I would say that now, having seen some of that stuff and knowing that it's probably not it. Like, not to be a jerk about it, but whenever you feel like this is your big break, after this, it's gonna be everything. You do that thing, and it wasn't it. Sure it wasn't it. It's gonna be the thing that you never saw coming. That is it. So if you feel really uncomfortable by a demand and you're told that you can be replaced, I Love what you said. Replace me. Because, by the way, you will have such a worse show. If within a week you have to try and replace me, it will be significantly worse. And then my contract will be broken. I will tell everybody why, and it'll be a PR nightmare. Like, I wouldn't say any of that. I would just say, okay, replace me.
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B
Totally, Olivia.
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A
It infuriates me, first of all. Good. It makes me so angry and it's such a double standard. And like, as a woman, you know, you get put in. It's like, okay, so I'm not. I'm not gonna be a great host unless I look, like, super sexy on camera and wear these, like, tiny little shorts. Like, like, I'm glad that she didn't end up having to wear them. But to be threatened after that is like, it's just such horseshit, in my opinion. And I think that, you know, maybe a few years ago, kind of similar to Ben, I probably would have, like, just, you know, said I'm like, really? Okay, like, granted, merit. I'm a people pleaser and I probably just want to, you know, have that big break. But I think these days, I would like to think that I would not and that I would push back a little bit more and take the. Okay, yeah, you want to find, you know, somebody else, go right ahead because I'm not going to, like, compromise my. My just who I am and my morals and. Not that that has, you know, shorts are a morality point, but you know what I mean? Just like the principle of it, I guess.
- [39:28]
C
Yeah, I completely agree. And I think that's much easier when you've changed your mindset to this isn't my big break. And they don't control my big break. They have way too much power in that scenario where it's like, wear the shorts, otherwise you're not going to be.
- [39:44]
B
Famous and it's a bad long term bet. And. And I will say, like, I don't. Privilege isn't the right word. Resource is the right word right now. Like, thank God, knock on wood. I make a living outside of the traditional entertainment system, so I would feel comfortable walking away. Whereas 10 years ago with my livelihood depended on every next gig. Of course, like, I would have been in the same position to say, like, God, I guess I have to do this and that's not right. But can we talk, Ben, about. We haven't talked about it. About Claudia on the Masked Singer.
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C
Yeah, I mean, if it's something, I'll just flag it. If it's. Let's Start to talk about it and like, if it's not something that I can talk about, I'll just tell you.
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B
But yeah, you know, I'd love to talk about the whole thing because it's fun. But like, what I give Claudia a lot of credit for. And I think, you know, everything I heard from you guys and I know some of the people worked on the show, like, they were amazing. But I think Claudia and I give her so much respect and applause for at a certain point going like, this is a lot. I've got basically a newborn and we're away from our support system and I'm gonna have to bow out. Like, that takes so much, you know, self respect and guts. And I just give her so much credit. And I give Matt Singer a lot of credit for being like, we will find a creative way to honor you in that.
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C
Me too.
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B
Right?
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C
Yeah, 100%. And it's similar though.
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D
She.
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C
It's funny, if I was in her position, which I could never have been. Cause I can't actually give birth to children, but if I somehow was in her shoes, I don't know, I'm a more immature people pleaser and maybe I would have done it. And she is just like a badass that knows not only her worth and her. Her limits, but also knows she just handled it so incredibly. Like, she went on, she sang two unbelievable vocal.
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B
She sounded so good.
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C
Got her community, like really excited about it, Got flowers from the judges and then was like, bye. Like, I don't need more than this. I've done everything that I set out to do. I'm sorry if it's not within your system and to your point, the Masked Singer people were lovely. They were so great and understanding. And so it's like a polar opposite experience of what you just had said. But yeah, again, that just comes from knowing, I guess, knowing your worth and knowing when enough is enough.
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B
Yeah. One of our close friends is a producer on the Masked Singer and she's one of the great people. So I'm not surprised at all that they handled it perfectly. And what I am surprised about is how in the dark our friend who was a producer and Ben and Claudia made me and Paige because no one was saying nothing. We had to be surprised like you, the lemmings, the public, the morons, we're elite. We want to know things before it happened. I remember Ben calls me, he goes, guess what? Connie and I were moving out to LA for six weeks. And in the back of my head I said, no, they're not that's never going to happen. But I was like, okay, I'll play along, Ben. And he goes, yeah, we're going now. You know, Claudia's doing a show. It's really exciting. I go, great, what is it? Ben says, can't say. I go, benjamin, this is insane. You tell me. He goes, josh, I haven't even told my parents. He goes, these lawyers have scared us so bad. He's like, I cannot. I said, what's the network? He goes, none of your business.
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C
You ever heard of Nunya?
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B
So unfair.
- [43:29]
C
I wanted to so badly. It just. Yeah, we told no one. It was just 100% under wraps. And it was one of the hardest secrets I've ever had to keep. And it wasn't even my secret.
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B
And then he comes down. It's so great to have Ben and Claudia here. And they come to the wonderful shy's birthday. It's like, what a gift. It's like we finally live on the same coast in the same city and you know, and we have three amazing in person podcast episodes and Ben and I are like, we're going to shoot all this Patreon content and all this behind the scenes stuff and you know, and I'm like, great. Like I'll start like, you know, setting stuff up for the next couple of weeks. Eight days after Ben arrives, I get the call, Bubby, we're leaving. I go, I knew it. And I understand.
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C
Yeah, we had to go. But those eight days in LA were great. I had a great time. Like it really, it was, it was lovely. The weather was weathering and it was lovely. It was lovely. I hope to do it again one day. Even though I probably won't. But I hope to do it again one day. This episode of the Good Guys podcast.
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D
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B
You know, it's funny, the last thing I'll say about all of it to close to booking the Jade Catapretta story. You know, it's funny when you start a show like when I was on grandfathered or any, you know, how I met your father, all the shows I've done, the crew or more producer writers will make this joke. They say, you know, in the first year the actors work for us, in the second year we work for each other. And then in, in the third year and everything subsequent, we work for the actor. And I think that's like a shitty. I'm like, yeah, because you started it and it doesn't have to be that way. And granted it takes some really smart and forward thinking executives and actors who can be viciously annoying and the worst, yes, it takes too smart people to be like, if we don't start this as a, as, as close to a quasi partnership as we can, whoever wins in this scenario in a year or two from now is going to make the other pay for it.
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A
It.
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B
So let's not set it up that way where I hate you from jump. Because if the show is a success, I'm going to make you pay for it. And that's when you hear about actors who are in renegotiations and don't show up to set because they're not at the number that they want to be for season five. It's like that behavior is unacceptable too. But they're like, you beat me up for three years, you made me feel like I could be replaced. So now that I know I can't get fucked up and that's not cool.
- [49:23]
C
Yeah, right. It's tricky. It's just like, I think like you're being paid to do a job. Like it's, it's so I know that it's not apples to apples. Even though it should be. Like if you have a job and your job is you're paid $100,000 a year and if you don't show up to work, you don't get paid and some offices, there are dress code requirements. Like you can't wear. I'm even thinking of baseball. Like in baseball with the Yankees. The Yankees are known. You can't have facial hair.
- [50:01]
B
You can now, but you couldn't before.
- [50:02]
C
Okay, okay. So you couldn't though for the first, whatever hundred years.
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B
Right.
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C
And that was the thing. If you want to be a New York Yankee, you have to shave your beard. It's obviously not the same thing as asking a girl to wear shorts. But there is something to the employer employee agreement. And I just think that we should all figure that out. There should have been options, of course, but do you get what I'm saying? And I don't want it to be, like, misconstrued that I'm not on the side of women not needing to wear something that somebody told them to wear. But I am also just thinking about Broadway. Like, if you are trying out for a part and you get it, they tell you what to wear. It's a costume, right?
- [50:49]
B
Yes, but you know that going in. So each party agrees to those terms.
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C
Agree, sure. So then that's it. So then it needs to happen earlier. Like, we need to treat these things as if it's theatrical.
- [51:02]
B
Well, but it's, you know, again with like, when you're hosting something like that, you are uniquely. You aren't playing a character, you are a version of yourself. And they're asking you to bring all of your things. Like, it would be if, you know, I'm sure Colbert, you know, the late night people, like, they have a closet of suits that they wear that they're comfortable in. And if an executive came down and said, I want you in a vest, and they said, no, like, that's not what I do. And we agree, and these are the suits that I wear, then, you know, it's something you could bring up during a renegotiation and say, we've polled and data shows people love vests. So if you want another 20 million a year, you gotta agree to the vest. That's where you bring it up. You don't bring it up and say, this is happening.
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C
I agree. And I think that it's a perfect fine tuning of what I was saying that these are. You're not playing a part, you're playing yourself. So if you're playing yourself, it's actually, it's funny. And then we'll move on. But like, when a brand will reach out to me, I'm sure they do the same thing with you and they'll give you a creative brief and they'll say, we want you to make content just like this. There are two things that you can say, which I always say. One is, of course, you're the client. I will do it. That said, it would do much better if you let me do something that was a little bit more authentic to me and my audience.
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B
Right.
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C
And it's just funny that the brand or the studio doesn't see that if talent is comfortable, they're gonna do better versus if they're uncomfortable in what they're wearing. Imagine being on TV uncomfortable in what you're wearing. I'm uncomfortable walking into a room, feeling uncomfortable in what I'm wearing. Going to dinner tv. You're gonna put me in something that I don't feel good in. I'm gonna purpose perform worse.
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B
Horrible.
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C
So just fascinating.
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B
God, such good.
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C
Fascinating.
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B
Such good guys.
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C
We are. What are you nuts?
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B
Yeah, sure, let's do it.
- [53:10]
C
What are you nuts? Are gripes with people. Places and things both big and tall. It's Josh. Seb's. Whatever's sticking in your craw.
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B
So true, Josh.
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C
Super Bowl Sunday is a. What are you nuts?
- [53:22]
B
Tell me.
- [53:22]
C
It should be Super Bowl Saturday. That's it.
- [53:26]
D
Great.
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C
It just great. I don't care that Sunday football is a thing. 6:30pm I'm eating my weight in food that I slaved over all day to cook. I'm having people over. By the time they leave, it's 10:30. By the time I finish cleaning, it's 12:30. And you want me to show up to my desk in the morning? What are you nuts? Put it on.
- [53:48]
A
Or.
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D
Or.
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C
Monday needs to be a holiday. Make it so that Super Bowl Sunday is always on the Sunday before President's Day.
- [53:55]
B
Right.
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C
And then Monday is a national holiday.
- [53:57]
B
Exactly right. You're.
- [53:59]
C
You're one week removed. Just do that. No problem. But you need to give people the day off. It needs to be a weekend or a national holiday after something as big and national as the Super Bowl.
- [54:13]
B
So true. Wow. My witty nuts is so dumb. I the other day.
- [54:21]
A
Wow.
- [54:22]
B
Wow. No, no. I was thinking about it. I'm like. But yeah, but then like, would they be worried that people would be away on three day weekends and then not able to like sit with their mishpah? Probably, but you're right. Then just make it Saturday.
- [54:34]
C
Just make it Saturday.
- [54:35]
D
Why not?
- [54:36]
C
Or even Josh. Make it Thursday. Make it Thursday night. Make it Thursday night.
- [54:41]
B
Afternoon.
- [54:42]
C
At least people could have a slow Friday.
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D
Don't do any.
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C
The worst possible thing is to put.
- [54:48]
B
It on a Sunday. Oh God. And did I get after it? And I thought I was going to go work out after because I ate my face off.
- [54:55]
C
What'd you eat, Josh? What'd you eat?
- [54:57]
B
All right, so this was the day of dips. And my mother in law, this genius, she made a spinach artichoke dip. She made a queso with ground beef dip.
- [55:07]
C
Okay.
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B
I'm dipping and ripping Baby, I'm moving and grooving. She made a bell pepper wheel that looked like a car, and then she stuffed the bell pepper wheel with. With crew today. Okay. And I'm crew today. Sorry, Sorry. I. And so we're crushing that. Then she makes dogs. We're doing tri tip. Amazing. Pasta salad. All the salads. It was so good. I, I, I went ham. What about you?
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C
You know how long it took her to make that? Like, bravo.
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B
She's unreal.
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C
Okay, so we did, like, a combination. We did it at Jackie's house. We did a combination of, like, ordering in some stuff, which, like, I just wouldn't do again. Ordering. It's just not it. Okay. No, I wanted to make everything, but it would have taken me way too long. I made. I made a bunch of stuff this week, but the best thing I made this week was cowboy caviar in a honey chipotle vinaigrette. Cowboy caviar, Josh, is just. It's a vessel. You can turn it into anything. It's literally like beans and chopped peppers and corn and whatever it may be. I made a Greek version. So delicious. This was it. And then we had, like, boneless wings, which were meh. And we had deli, which was a little dry.
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B
You made a Greek version. It was the same cowboy caviar, but you just put a diner set around it.
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C
I love gyro. Oh, it would have been great with some gyro in it.
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B
The Greek version of the Foo Fighter song. There goes my hero. Watch him as he eats.
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C
There goes my hero. Oh, that's good. The Foo Fighters need to come out with a hero shot.
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B
The Food Fighters. The Food Fighters. There goes my.
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C
Oh, my God. The Food Fighters in the Euro.
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B
Or if you want to do a wonderful Latin version, I can be your G O baby Enrique Glacias. It'd be amazing.
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C
The gym class gyros.
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B
Oh, that's good.
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C
That is. You got a lot of, you nuts.
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B
Yeah, my woody nuts is okay. I'm so stupid. So I, you know, I make the kids lunches in the morning, and so we usually do, like, a little fruit section. So I was, like, rinsing off raspberries and blueberries, but, you know, I do it in the carton, and so a lot of times I'll leave them in the sink because we have, like, a grate that lifts it above, and it'll just like, kind of like, I'll leave it there for, like, an hour just so that the water kind of evaporates, and I'll. I'LL shake them a little bit. But anyway, I forgot to get the berries out of the sink that I was going to put in my kids lunch. And so I wake up the next morning, I go, oh, my God, the berries have been out all night. And I thought, fruit lives outside. What are you, nuts?
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C
What are you, nuts?
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B
Who cares?
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C
Who cares?
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B
The fruit is fine.
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C
The fruit's fine. It lives.
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B
It was born outside.
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C
It was. It was born outside. Yeah.
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D
Put it back in the fridge.
- [58:25]
C
It's fine. If it's a little bit too soft, maybe toss it, but it's probably fine. Josh.
- [58:30]
B
Sure.
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C
Oh, and before we close, I went to a farmer's market this weekend. We'll talk about it on another episode that said I was just, like, picking things that looked gorgeous. The most beautiful produce.
- [58:41]
D
I thought, these are such cute little peppers.
- [58:42]
C
I bought six of them because they're so cute. I asked everybody, do you guys know what these peppers are?
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D
Habaneros.
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C
What are you nuts?
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B
Too hot.
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D
Too hot.
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B
Orange. You didn't know? The little oranges are always habanero.
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D
I thought they were just, like, cute little.
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B
Oh, no, they're dangerous guys.
- [58:56]
C
Danger. Dangerous.
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B
Scovilles. Scovilles.
- [58:59]
C
You know what else is dangerous, Josh? Not giving this episode five stars. That's dangerous. What are you, nuts?
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B
Listen to us.
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D
Wherever you get your podcasts, rate, review and subscribe to the pod.
- [59:11]
C
Okay? Give us a five star review. Give us a five star review.
- [59:15]
D
And let me tell you, we are.
- [59:16]
C
Going to read a beautiful, positive review every single episode. But we're not talking four stars. We're not talking three stars. We're talking five stars only. And let it be a compliment. Okay? Say something nice, maybe even mention a moment. Okay. That you loved about the show. And we are going to read it aloud. Josh, do you have one for us?
- [59:38]
B
Of course I do. This one's for code name Tiny Shoes. 5 stars. Nice to find good guys. A rare find, actually. Good guys. And they make me laugh and make each other laugh. They are topical without being political. They touch on pop culture without being gossipy. I look forward to every episode. Thank you so much. We love you. And I say next episode, we roast all of the bad speak pipes we got which are. They were abominable this week. That's why there were none today. And I think we need to show the people what are the ones that are being rejected that we say we love. Thank you for sending them, but they're not great. And you're about to get roasted.
- [60:17]
C
I love it. I love it. Let's roast them.
- [60:19]
B
Roast them up.
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C
We're coming for you Mondays and Thursdays, folks.
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D
We'll see you next time.
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A
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