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Ben Safer
The following podcast is a dear media production. Two Jews, both big and tall. No subject too small for the Good Guys. A mother's dream premium podcast team. Make it your weekly routine. It's a Good Guys.
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Josh Peck
And if you don't give us five stars.
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Ben Safer
What are you nuts?
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Josh Peck
What are you nuts? Yeah, we're the good guys.
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Ben Safer
They're not the great guys. We're just the good of the good of the good guys. Muscle morons. Welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. I'm sitting here with a guy who doesn't wear all black because it's slimming. It's because he's dead inside. It's Ben Safer, and I am here.
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Josh Peck
With a queen that needs no introduction. Jojo Siwa. The braid is braiding. Thank you so much for joining us. We're so excited to have you.
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JoJo Siwa
Of course. Thank you both for having me. When you text, I was like, absolutely. It's literally not even a question.
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Ben Safer
Hello, JoJo. You are. I just. Can I. Can I. Can I just have a moment?
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JoJo Siwa
Take your moment.
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Ben Safer
About JoJo.
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JoJo Siwa
JoJo siwa. Take your moment.
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Ben Safer
I'm so fucking bullish on Jojo Siwa, and I don't care who knows it. I am such a fan. You know when we were both doing YouTube years ago.
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JoJo Siwa
Yep. And rest in peace, that era.
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Ben Safer
God bless.
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JoJo Siwa
Take me back.
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Ben Safer
It was a good time.
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JoJo Siwa
Like, I think all the time, I'm like, what I would give to just have 2018, like, have all my friends teach me how to drive, like, do absolutely nothing again, like, oh, so good. Yes, so good. Take me back.
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Ben Safer
We miss the Adsense and so much. Oh, yeah. Let's talk money. Money's awesome.
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JoJo Siwa
Money's the best.
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Ben Safer
Let's get. Let's go in. We're. We're hype on money. And I remember we were. We were going to record a video together, and obviously I was aware of your greatness, but there were some kiddos in my life at the time because I didn't have kids, but our good family friends, their daughters were like, 6 and 9, and so they were, like, right in your demo at the time. And so when we were shooting the video, I said, jojo, would you mind, like. And I feel awful and weird asking. You made them a video. Their heads exploded when they saw it. It was so amazing and generous. You gave them a bunch of swag. You told me a line about your merchandise that haunts me forever.
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JoJo Siwa
What did I say?
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Ben Safer
You said, I have merchandise on every continent. Excep. There's no Walmart in Antarctica.
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JoJo Siwa
Yep. Yep. We're on. Six out of seven.
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Josh Peck
That is such a power move.
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JoJo Siwa
Isn't that crazy? It's wild.
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Ben Safer
That's.
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Josh Peck
That's crazy. Congrats. That's awesome.
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JoJo Siwa
Thank you so much.
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Ben Safer
But can we do a pop up in Antarctica? Because this don't sit right.
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JoJo Siwa
Like, we just need to go sell one. Like, I need to take it there manually, go door to door. Like, knock, knock, knock. I mean, there's like 40 people there total, but someone will buy it.
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Josh Peck
That's like a miss. That's like a Mr. Beast video waiting for you. Like, if you go to Mr. Beast and say, take me to Antarctica because I don't have any merchandise there and I want to sell it door to door.
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Ben Safer
It's.
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Josh Peck
It's a sponsorship waiting to happen.
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JoJo Siwa
Honestly, Joe, just to X Feastables is waiting. There we go.
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Ben Safer
Yes. Oh, my God.
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JoJo Siwa
Wow.
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Ben Safer
What? Let's talk. Let's get the big stuff out of the way first because I feel like you have these moments where you're just like, you know, whether it's a new song or you're crushing music, it's like you get really into this thing and it becomes your life.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
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Ben Safer
Like, where's life at right now?
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JoJo Siwa
When I deep dive into something, like, I'm committed. Like, I'm in. I embrace it and I make it. I almost like immerse myself in it. Right now. I'm immersed in my future music. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot. There's a lot of songs. I made a one file that has all my songs in it that are future. And It's a fun 45 minute file, 47 minute file. And so I'm right now so immersed in that world. I'm also immersed in the world of selling my house, which is a lot of fun, and buying a new house, which is a lot of fun.
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Ben Safer
So, like, we thinking take us through it.
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JoJo Siwa
Okay. So it all started because I found this beautiful home that I'm absolutely obsessed with. Like, would put the offer in on tomorrow. But I have my house and it's.
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Ben Safer
But you're like Buckingham palace is taken.
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JoJo Siwa
But.
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Ben Safer
But I can afford it.
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JoJo Siwa
Unfortunately, Garden Ridge, you can't have it. But so, no, this house, it's an Encino. It's beautiful. I have made the responsible choice to not have two real estate properties right now. I mean, look, I could and I could lease it out, but where I'm at right now, it doesn't make much sense to do that. So I made the responsible choice to sell mine first and then go buy after it sells. But we're literally like, this is like. I found out yesterday that we're staging it on Friday. So I found out yesterday, like get your out. Like it's. That's, that's been kind of immersed. My love life's great. I'm super personally happy. My family's great, they're happy, they make me happy. My friends, great. They make me super happy. I'm in like train mode right now where I just am like training left and right. I just got back from Australia with performances over there. So that's. That was a ball.
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Ben Safer
And what does that look like when you're performing in Australia? Are you doing like massive venues? What's the show look like? Take us through.
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JoJo Siwa
So right now it's actually like tiny festivals which are so fun. They're so intimate. It's like Pride Fest basically. And yeah, so we did one in Melbourne. It's. We did a seven song set. It's honestly, the stage is like as big as this room. Like it's tiny. It's me and my six dancers. I played the drums for the first time, which was really fun. There was like 3,000 people which like when I was on tour as a kid, it was 17,000 a night. So it's like, it's definitely much smaller. But it's like that intimate vibe is actually something that I love so much and like candidly, actually not candidly confidentially, but I'm saying it live on a podcast. Who cares? Being in Australia and doing that said performance, I did another one over there, TikTok Awards. That was awesome. It was TV TikTok. It was, it was fucking great. But the first performance, the Pride Fest one in, that was in Melbourne. Being in that intimate venue actually made me have an idea to create a show that I could do over and over again multiple times on a tour sort of thing. That isn't a big concert tour, it's something else. And it gave me this idea and we've been working through it now and I have my first like, hey team, here's what we're doing. Call on Thursday. So in two days from now, like I'm, I'm like, it was good. A clarifying trip and it like gave me some good ideas. Nice.
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Ben Safer
How big is the JoJo Siwa team?
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JoJo Siwa
It's actually fairly, fairly smaller than you would think. I have my mom, who's my right hand man, my publicist Bill. I have my management, my management team's pretty big. I'm with seven to four and so we got Kade, Larry, Claire, and then like, the group chat has like seven or eight people in it. Don't know everybody, but there's a lot of them. But Cade, Larry and Claire are the main ones. And then my agency, caa, I have my attorneys, my lawyers. We love them. And then I have my financial team, my financial advisors, and my videographer Cam, my choreographer, Richie. But really, that's it because, like, hair and makeup wise, I do on my own wardrobe. My mom does. It's like, it's. We keep it very Harry in house.
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Josh Peck
You don't need to hear from me how impressive you are, but, like, you are and like, just like, just like super cool, down to earth, but also just like a superstar. And, like, it's funny that you say that you like those smaller shows. That means that you're a great performer. Smaller shows are harder than bigger shows.
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JoJo Siwa
They definitely are.
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Josh Peck
Like, the bigger shows, you're not, like, looking at one person in front of you, right? Like, those small rooms, like, everybody's listening to you.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah, they're hard to satisfy too, because it's like if the vibes are just off, they're off. Like, you can't kind of change it totally. But I appreciate that. Thank you.
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Josh Peck
And this pivot into music, everybody's been fascinated by it. I'm sure that everybody asks you these questions, but, like, this is just. This is just your life's dream, right? Like, this is the passion project. This is what. This is what you've been gunning for.
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JoJo Siwa
It is. It's interesting. Like, we're at a point right now where I'm like, I'm literally doing it because I enjoy it. Like, I enjoy. I enjoy messing with the world. I enjoy singing what I want to sing. I do it all so I can perform on a stage. But it really, it really is my passion. Like, I just. I love it. And like, I recently had a friend come into my life that got to know me outside my career for a while before they saw me in my career element. And the second that they saw me on stage for the first time, they were like. I think they were saying, like, I'm going to be a little tripped out. Like, I know you as this, like, chill. Like, Joel Joe is my real name. And then they were like, whereas most people see you as Jojo, see when they get to know you as Joelle. And I was like, yeah, no, no. I was like, I'm excited to see, like, what, what you think. And it's funny, like, I came off stage and they were like, you are literally meant to be up there. Like, when you are on stage, it is so clear that that is where you are supposed to be. And it's a beautiful thing to watch. And that, like, I don't know, it melted my heart a little bit because I was just like, somebody else sees it.
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Josh Peck
I just. I think that you played it so right. Like, I remember when you, like, first dropped Karma, it was, like, so jarring. And if it wasn't so jarring, then you couldn't have made this pivot as seamlessly as you are. Like, if you just, like, slowly went into it, they would be thinking of the older version of you. And now we're just thinking of you in the moment.
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JoJo Siwa
Thank you.
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Josh Peck
Whether that was you, whether that was your team, whoever it was, I think it was, like, a genius transition. I was talking about that.
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JoJo Siwa
No, I actually didn't fight a lot of people on it. My team did not agree with me on it at the time. I was signed to a label, and they did not agree with me on it. And they.
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Ben Safer
What did they want you to do?
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JoJo Siwa
So they. So you know how Karma. They. There was another song that we had that they wanted to be released first, and I didn't. I was like, no, it's karma. Karma, Karma, Karma, karma. And they were like, no. I was like, yes. And then I was like, all right, then this was. This was two years ago at this point. Anyway, so then once I got the green light for Karma, I came up with the idea. I wanted to make the video. And they were like, we don't have the funds for this video. And I was like, great. All good. I do. And they were like, no. Like, don't put your money into this. And they were like, no. I was like, no, I want to. Like, I want to. And they were like, no, don't. And I was like, I am. Get on board or not. Like, it's all good.
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Ben Safer
Have you always been that strong and secure with your instinct?
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah. And, like, I don't know. I think I just. From being in it so young, I've learned from a young age, like, at the end of the day, like, I don't get a run away from being jojo Siwa. Like, everyone else who works with me goes home at night and, like, forgets about it and, like, has their life. But for me, like, it is my life. You know what I mean? I am, in the best way possible, stuck with it. And so I have to make sure that, like, when I fall asleep at night, I'm 100% satisfied. In the choices. And like, that. Doesn't that also something I'm really big on is that puts me in a position of power, right? And one thing when you're in a position of power is you can't abuse it. And I think that's where a lot of people go wrong, is they make choices just because they can or just because they want to be right. You know what I mean? But I've learned from a very young age, actually, my stage manager taught me. He said, I have the. I have the credential card. And I said, what does that mean? And he said, well, your face is on everybody's credential. So if you don't get what you want, you can say, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing the show. And then you'll get what you want, because we can do. We can do the show without anybody else. We cannot do it without you. And I was like, damn, okay. And so. But I've always known that I can't abuse that power because then it's. It's unhealthy. You know what I mean?
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JoJo Siwa
Hey y'all, it's Ken Yerik here from the Demer Blonde podcast and I'm here to talk shit and give advice that I probably shouldn't be giving. But hey, who's stopping me? I'm bringing you on the transition from farm girl to city girl. I'm here to talk about dating, friendships and everyday life as a 20 something year old in Austin. Whether it's a story time, you've heard me tease online to changes in my life that I haven't opened up about. This podcast has it all wrapped into one from friendships, ups and fun times. Come hang out with me every Tuesday to get high and say stuff we will probably regret. Spark that joint and saddle up for the stories that I have yet to bring to the Internet.
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Ben Safer
Was there ever a scenario where you listened to the suits or the team and you were like, I'll never do this again?
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JoJo Siwa
Yes. Twice in a row, back to back. Just now. And I can I say more? Yeah, I Mean, I definitely. Can I with. Ooh, what's the best way to word this? Cause, yes, I do. Okay. I'll actually, I. Can we just. We just released a song, iced Coffee, and right now. I just released a song, Iced Coffee, I should say. There's no. There's not really a Wii. It's definitely a me. It's all. It does all fall on my shoulders. I do have my. At the time, I was signed to the label anyway, so I wanted this song to come out. Boom drop overnight. It's a scandal JoJo hasn't been posting. Now this song's out. What the fuck's happening? And that was kind of the, like, idea behind putting out the song. But then, you know, no, because you got to do two weeks of tick tock promo before. And I was like, typically, yes. I was like, but in this case, no. And then, you know, I always say, like, pick the hill you want to die on. And the choice was either not release at all or do the two weeks of pre roll on TikTok. And I was like, it's just not gonna make a it when the song comes out. It's not gonna make the effect that it would have. And what do you know who ended up being right? I did. But it. In the end, like, no one knows. That's. No one knows or cares about that story that, like, I. If it would have. If it would have all happened at once, I think it would have had a little bit better of a chance of success. And I. I think it did great, and I'm super happy with how it did. And it made a little bit of a stamp, and it's funny and who cares? But I think at the end of the day, like, it would have. If we would have done it fully my way, and I would have stood my ground and be like, no, this is the plan. This is what's happening. I think it would have. It would have resulted better. Going back to karma, though. I actually like the suits, quote unquote. I love calling the suits the suits. The suits quot unquote wanted me to edit out the black beast, the, like, iconic karma look with the makeup and the black costume in the wild and that beast look. And they. After we got the video back, they said. They said that. That that look isn't pop star. And, like, that's not going to work. And I was like, hello? Like, that's the one thing that is going to work.
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Ben Safer
Yeah, like, you went to Vassar. What do you know about that look? Is pop star, dear? Like, hell like, that's my.
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JoJo Siwa
This is my version. Yeah. And so then whatever they actually, after then karma and that black beast look is what took off. And the dance is what took off. They actually did have a conversation with me, like, look, we were wrong. And like we're going to give you your flowers and we're going to say that we were wrong. And I was like, thank you. Thank you for acknowledging it. Like, I do appreciate that they're always wrong.
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Josh Peck
Right. Because they're always taking like a one size fits all approach to somebody who is naturally viral. Like, you're viral because you know how to go viral. You mentioned before in passing, like, you love sort of playing with the public.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
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Josh Peck
You love playing with the world.
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JoJo Siwa
Know it.
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Josh Peck
You know how to do that.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah. And I definitely. I have my own specific game. You know what I mean? It's funny, one of my friends told me because right now there's this. The trend of like ignoring. Right. On the Internet. Have you seen this trend?
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Ben Safer
No, tell me.
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JoJo Siwa
Okay, so basically somebody posted this. TikTok.
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Ben Safer
I'm on cholesterol meds. I don't know everything going on social media.
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JoJo Siwa
And honestly, lucky you. I know you would rather probably not be on them, but lucky about the social media, I'm a big fan.
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Ben Safer
Crest store.
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JoJo Siwa
Perfect.
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Ben Safer
When you.
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JoJo Siwa
When I need them.
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Ben Safer
When at the time. You know who to. Dax.
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JoJo Siwa
I got you. I got you. You. Me actually not pushing.
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Ben Safer
When you're ready.
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JoJo Siwa
Anyway, so this girl, this video, like, what if we just started to ignore celebrities and like, just see what happens? And that video blew up and all the comments were like, let's get JoJo siwa first. And so the point was to like, not like my video, right? Like, not like my videos. Well, I actually, I was able to use this to my advantage because I have the new song out. So I was like, heck yeah. Like, I'm gonna post the new song. Right? And in four days, it got 80 million views on TikTok. Now it got 100,000 likes, which is a horrible like, to view ratio. I mean, you're talking 80 million views. You're talking a hundred thousand likes. That's less than 1%. You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's essentially nothing. Is that math correct?
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Ben Safer
Yeah.
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Josh Peck
Yes, but like, but likes don't make you money.
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JoJo Siwa
800,000 would be 1%.
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Ben Safer
Exactly.
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JoJo Siwa
So it's. I mean, it's. It's a fraction of a percent.
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Ben Safer
Two child actors trying to do math. Hilarious. Carrie.
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Josh Peck
The three.
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JoJo Siwa
And no, it's like, it's like literally zero point.
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Ben Safer
Yeah. Not good.
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JoJo Siwa
1.4%. Like, it's like, literally nothing. Like, it's. It's very low. But. But what I will say is there's still 80 million views and there's still. The comments have hundreds of thousands of likes. The top comment had, like 600,000 likes. Like, there's. There's definitely a game being played right now. And it's funny because what somebody said is they were like, you love to play with the Internet, but the second that you backed off and said, I'm not posting anymore, all of a sudden the Internet made their own game with you because you weren't playing the game anymore with them, so they made their own with you. And I was like, that's an interesting perspective on it. But, yeah, I don't know. It's. I just. I. I'm definitely in a very unique situation, Right. Because I never played a character when I was young. Right. I always like you, for example, like. And also, too, like, they use your real name, which I think has to be such a trip because, like, you were playing a character. Right, sure. In a way, you were also using your own name, which was. That had to be kind of trippy as a kid.
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Ben Safer
No, I'm weirdly thankful for it now that when people do call me out on the street, they're like, hey, Screech. You know, they're not like, yay, Zeppelin. You know, like, that I am thankful for. But you're right, Screech. It was Rip, but it was a. It was a character that wasn't. And so, of course, people had an expectation.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah. And then also, like, from your perspective, you got to grow up and then be who Josh Peck was. You know what I mean? Like, you got to kind of break away from that character. Whereas in my position as a child star. Right. I never really played a character. I played a more elevated, more entertaining version of myself, but it wasn't a character. You know what I mean? Like, no one wants to see me sit in my car and be silent, but everyone wants to see me sit in my car and be like, you know what I mean?
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Ben Safer
Was that ever exhausting?
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JoJo Siwa
No, I. I mean, I loved it. Still do to the day. Like, I mean, yes, it's exhausting, but, like, not to a point where I didn't want to do it. You know what I mean? It was always me wanting to do it. It was never a team behind me being like, you have to post. It would be me being like, like, okay, stop giving me an idea. Like, I have it Myself, I have my next 50 ideas planned. Like, this isn't how this works. You know what I mean? Wow. Yeah. I was psycho as a kid.
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Ben Safer
And how, like, in a good way. Well, how do you manage that? Because to your point, when you are playing with the audience, there's going to be people that are your diehards, there are people that are going to love it. And then that equation only works where there are people who don't love it.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
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Ben Safer
And does this. Do you take any.
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JoJo Siwa
Interesting. Because right now I definitely have more of those. I have more people who are against than are for. And my thing is, like, look, I was put on this earth. I look at it from a couple different ways. There's a couple different perspectives that help me. And number one, I was put on this earth to entertain. Whether that means people like it or don't like it, they are entertained by it. It is. Whether it's a positive or negative, it is successful. You know what I mean? And I definitely. I like that, like, a lot of people say they don't like karma yet they'll come to a concert with the makeup on. You know what I mean? They know the dance, they can sing the song. And so it's like, thanks, babe. Thanks for not liking it. You know what I mean? It's like, okay. But then this. This also gets a little more morbid. But. But in dark. But it's. It actually helps me a lot. Like, I think that, like, say, Emily, right, is having. Emily's my imaginary friend from when I was a kid, so I always use her name. She doesn't care.
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Ben Safer
Is she here with us now?
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JoJo Siwa
Oh, she's always me. She's always here. Hey, Emily, we love you.
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Ben Safer
Olivia, no good.
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JoJo Siwa
Come on. She's, like, tucked in.
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Ben Safer
Very rude of us.
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JoJo Siwa
But, yeah, so say Emily, right, is bullying Susie at school. I don't know if Susie can handle it. Right. I don't know if Susie's going to be able to take that mentally. But Susie's not real.
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Ben Safer
Susie, I'm trying to get you.
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JoJo Siwa
Not real. No. Fictional people. Gotcha. But if Emily then all of a sudden is having more fun bullying me on the Internet. Have at a girl. Like, I know I'm okay. And so in a weird way, I kind of look at it as if, like, I'm saving Susie's life. You know what I mean? Like, I know I can fall asleep and wake up the next day, but I don't know if Susie can. And so if I kind of take, like, I'm down to take the heat off of other people.
- [23:53]
Ben Safer
When did you figure that out?
- [23:56]
JoJo Siwa
That helped me about two years ago when I was really going through it and I was like, the Internet, this hurts. But it kind of like, I was like, no, I can handle it. Some people can't.
- [24:06]
Ben Safer
What was that moment? Two years ago ago?
- [24:09]
JoJo Siwa
Let me be correct on my timeline. It. Yeah, it was. Oh my God. It was two years ago. Wow. I was going through, I was going through a public breakup. And that's, it's valid. We, it was our choice to make the relationship public. And so it was also inevitable that the relationship breakup was also public. You know what I mean? But the full story wasn't out there. And as, as, as fun as it was to throw shade from both ends, I'm guilty of it as well. The real stuff from my end was not out there. What really happened behind closed doors was not out there. And I did that because I don't, I don't need to. Right? That doesn't need to be out there. I'm not on this earth to take anyone down. I'm not on this earth to be the super inspirational whatever, whatever, whatever. I'm on this, like, to entertain and have a good time and make people laugh through an eight second video or a three minute song, you know what I mean? And so it got to a point where I was like, I, I don't want the real stuff out there because what happened to me actually hurts. Right? And I don't, I don't, I don't like it and I don't want it to be public knowledge. But also, people don't know what happened and they're destroying me because of what they don't know. And it, I don't know, it really, it really got to me also just like thinking that I could let somebody so into my life and then they could do something so horrid. It, it really scared me and it put me in a very weird place. But then I was like, no, I can't. Can. I'm good. Like, I can handle it, but some people can't. Like, and I'm, I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and I'm, I'm fine. You know what I mean? Like, I, I kind of just live by like an I'm fine mentality. Like, you're fine. The world's literally gonna keep on turning. You're literally gonna keep on living. You're all, all is gonna be good.
- [25:45]
Josh Peck
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JoJo Siwa
Thank you. I think that's a compliment. I'll take it.
- [29:05]
Josh Peck
It is. It is. It is a compliment because I consider myself religious. You do consider, like in the way that you, in the way that you speak about like the, the like juxtaposition of you and your audience, the way that you speak about. The world keeps turning. But things are larger than me. Like you. Are you a religious person?
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JoJo Siwa
I. I mean, yeah, I grew up, I grew up in the church. I, as I, as I got older, I just kind of like lost touch a little bit. Sure. And I think as, as people do and as. I also think the world is just a very different place. And I also think growing up in Nebraska, you know what I mean? You're surrounded. What do you do on a Sunday? You go to, you go to church, but then I think you're, you know, a 21 year old living in LA. What do you do on a Sunday? That's when you have all your Zoom meetings. You know what I mean? It's like, sure, it's definitely, it's just a different, different world that I live in now. But I think that one of the most important things to me is like whatever you believe in, you believe in it full heartedly. And like I do this, I do this thing with my dancers before we go on stage where I grab everyone's hands and we say like, we say our little mantras and whatever. But then I tell them, I said, look, I don't care what you believe in, but you believe in it right now. Said if it is your rocks and crystals and if it is God and Jesus, if it is a Buddha, if it is nothing, if it is anything, if is Santa Claus, you believe in it right now and you ask it for help and you ask it to get you through this performance and have fun. And so I think, I think for me when it comes to like religion specifically within Myself. It's. It's. Yeah. Like, I, of course, have my beliefs, but I. I also just, like, I think one of the most important things is just letting people do their thing.
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Ben Safer
Yeah, I think. I think that's the right way to be. And I think.
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JoJo Siwa
And I also love, like, learning about other people's. Like, because religious can mean two things, right? Like, religious can sometimes mean, like, straight up, do you believe in God and Jesus? Or just, like, do you have something that you believe in, like, and you believe in wholeheartedly? And, like, one of my favorite things is to, like, learn other people's religions and, like, learning. I. I had a Mormon boyfriend for a time.
- [31:04]
Ben Safer
Ooh, what was that? Like, secret pajamas. Tell us everything.
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JoJo Siwa
Like, I mean, look, we were babies. It was very cute. It was a very sweet, innocent relationship. He was a very good family friend at the time. He was my first. First boyfriend. It was adorable.
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Ben Safer
What are we talking, like, teenager? Like, 16?
- [31:20]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah. I was 17. We were babies. Like, nothing. Wow. Yeah.
- [31:27]
Ben Safer
Love that.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
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Josh Peck
Right?
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Ben Safer
I'm just getting, like, you know, Salt Lake City vibes right now, and I'm here for it.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah, he did some with a baby.
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Ben Safer
I just love it. Bring him young. Shout out.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah, he was. He was. He was a sweet, sweet boy. And it was just. It was cute. Like, it was. But to learn about what they believe in and to learn about where. Where they think you go when you die, like, it was fascinating to me. And. And same thing with learning about Jewish religion and obviously, like, I have a Catholic background, and so learning about that growing up and then learning about atheists and then learning about people with rocks and crystals, like, it just, like, it's so fascinating to me. And it's like, you gotta be careful because it's. It's obviously a very touchy subject, but I think if you can have a conversation where you're. You're curious to learn with somebody, it can actually be one of the most beautiful conversations. Like, the simple question of, like, what do you think happens when we die? Like, yeah, everyone has a different answer. And it's so fascinating.
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Ben Safer
It just.
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Josh Peck
And no one knows which is what I love the most.
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JoJo Siwa
I literally said out loud to my best friend the other day. I was, like, not asking for it to happen. Can't wait to die. Can't wait to figure out what happens. Literally clip it.
- [32:36]
Josh Peck
But, like, no, I'm. I'm with you. It is the biggest.
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JoJo Siwa
Can't wait to die. Boom.
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Ben Safer
Confetti gun.
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JoJo Siwa
No, but, like, hear me out. Like, I'm so curious. Like, and I don't want to know anytime soon. I'm good. I don't need to. I'm. I'm good. I'm fine to find that one out in 90 years from now. Like, let me live till 111. That's great. But what happens.
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Josh Peck
I heard something recently, right? I heard something recently. I don't know who's right, but I heard something recently that, like, people used to see ghosts a lot. I don't know if you've seen a ghost recently. I haven't. And they're saying that it's because the afterlife is so good and here is so not good that people don't want to come back anymore.
- [33:23]
JoJo Siwa
Look, I will say. I will say whatever you believe in or whatever you don't. There is something, and I. I would stand my ground on this. I recently have had some experiences I did. I don't know if I'm allowed to mention this yet, but it's already done. So if they. If they filmed it, we filmed it already. So. Though it doesn't really matter that much. But I did an episode of Tyler Henry and I. I got talked to.
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Ben Safer
Tyler Henry, the pod.
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JoJo Siwa
There you go. And he. I mean, he sat down, he. We brought objects for. We were trying to connect to my grandma on my mom's side, and we brought one object to my grandpa on my dad's side. And he immediately grabbed that object and he picked it up and he started scribbling. And he said, does the name Joan or Mary mean anything to you? And we just started instantly crying because it wasn't like, oh, I'm getting an older man. Or, oh, I'm getting. Joan is my grandma who's still left on Earth. That was the first thing he said. And Mary is my grandpa's younger brother who also passed away, wife who's still on Earth. And it was like my grandpa and his brother were like, hey, we want to say hi to Joan and Mary. Like, clock it. There we go. Boom, bam. And it was like. Like, it was literally like, he. There's no way he would have known those names. There's no way he even was like, I'm getting a J name. Like, yeah, sure. My mom's name's Jazz. I'm Jojo. My brother's Jaden.
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Ben Safer
Sure.
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JoJo Siwa
There's probably another J name in our family, right? It was like. It was so spot on. It was so clarifying. And then even just recently, I had. I have a very good friend who. Whose best friend passed away, and it was his 32nd birthday, and I was like, I'm gonna go get. It was the friend who passed away birthday, and I was like, I'm gonna go get candles. Do you know, give you a little surprise. But it was all. Surprised I didn't tell them. So anyways, I'm going to the store and I'm in the store and I walk down the aisle and I never met this friend who passed away. And I'm in the aisle and like, we have this joke that, like, that friend, like, literally brought us together and. And all of a sudden I'm in the aisle and the. The. I need candles. Let's say three and two. And the row of candles only goes 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0. It's like, really? The three and the two are what's missing.
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Josh Peck
Wow.
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JoJo Siwa
Really?
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Ben Safer
Yeah.
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JoJo Siwa
Like, there's no. And I literally said out loud. I was like, good one. I was like, good one. I see you in here with me. You're testing me right now. This is good. Like, this is a good one. Like, I've. I've definitely had some, like, there's for sure an afterlife sort of experiences, and I'm selfishly so excited to mess with people. Like, be prepared. Y'all will be pranked. Boots like everybody in my life.
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Ben Safer
I love it. I will not. If there's an afterlife, I don't want nothing to do with this world anymore. I am gonna be so busy. For me, an afterlife is like everyone has just ozempic already injected.
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JoJo Siwa
Perfect, right?
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Ben Safer
Like, it's just. There's a resting ozempic and it's just access to like five course meals, and you get to talk to whomever you want.
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JoJo Siwa
Unlimited cows.
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Ben Safer
There's a great Yiddish word, as I'm sure you know, Jojo. It's called kibbutz.
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JoJo Siwa
Okay, Never heard.
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Ben Safer
And it's just a schmooze. It's just a fun little. What we're doing now. We're kibitzing.
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JoJo Siwa
We're kibbitzing.
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Ben Safer
It's a non stop kibbitz.
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Josh Peck
Say it again.
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Ben Safer
Kibbutz.
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JoJo Siwa
Kibbits.
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Josh Peck
I love it. Very good.
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Ben Safer
So good. It's like dog food, you know, my. My cocker spaniel eats kibbits. But I think kibbitzing and being thin is my dream.
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JoJo Siwa
We all have one. I'm happy that that's yours. Period, Period. Full stop. In Australia, they call a period a full stop. Stop.
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Ben Safer
Full stop.
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JoJo Siwa
It's full stop.
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Josh Peck
Yeah.
- [36:51]
JoJo Siwa
Oh, my God. You put a full stop at the end of that.
- [36:53]
Ben Safer
My son, British, who's 2, goes NAR.
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JoJo Siwa
No, keep him Australian.
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Ben Safer
Nor, I think, because he watches a lot of Bluey.
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JoJo Siwa
But for sure. Yes, for sure. Nar.
- [37:04]
Ben Safer
No.
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JoJo Siwa
That's interesting. Bluey is gonna have, like, such a. Yeah, yeah.
- [37:08]
Ben Safer
Pig.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah. Thank God.
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Ben Safer
God bless them.
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JoJo Siwa
Their accents are the best.
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Ben Safer
I. I'm always fascinated with someone, you know, with. Because we both came out of Nickelodeon, obviously, and like, both of our cheeky.
- [37:21]
JoJo Siwa
Little smirks at each other right now. We're like, I'm sorry. I'm sure without carrying out.
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Ben Safer
We need a handshake.
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JoJo Siwa
We could have a conversation.
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Ben Safer
Oh, my God. And we can't do it here.
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JoJo Siwa
Nope, we can't.
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Josh Peck
Yeah, you could. You could.
- [37:36]
JoJo Siwa
If we never want to see life again. If we want that death ticket. I know.
- [37:39]
Josh Peck
By the way, the afterlife is great. Why not?
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JoJo Siwa
We got to go find our unlimited ozempic path right now.
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Ben Safer
Could you imagine yourself as like a tele. Preacher? You could have a mega church.
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Josh Peck
I was thinking the same thing when I said that you sounded religious again. In a good way. Because I'm religious and I think it's a great thing to believe in something. Whatever it is. I was. I was thinking rockstar mega church. Writing some songs and making it the church of jojo.
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Ben Safer
Yeah. Reverend Siwa, Minister jojo.
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JoJo Siwa
Like, I love it.
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Ben Safer
I like that.
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JoJo Siwa
What's up, heaven? Please welcome the man himself, Jesus Christ.
- [38:25]
Ben Safer
That would be incredible. I'll play Jesus. He was doing sick.
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Josh Peck
Yeah.
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Ben Safer
Shout out my apostles.
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JoJo Siwa
Judas. My Lady Gaga starts playing.
- [38:37]
Ben Safer
Oh, big gay church. That's what you call it. Big gay church.
- [38:40]
JoJo Siwa
Big gay church. I love it.
- [38:42]
Josh Peck
Bgc.
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Ben Safer
What are you in? You in?
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Josh Peck
I'm in. I'm all in.
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Ben Safer
I'm in. I've already been in. The Internet's been saying I've been in for years.
- [38:51]
JoJo Siwa
Kill it.
- [38:52]
Ben Safer
And this is where I come out.
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Josh Peck
No.
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JoJo Siwa
Thank God. Welcome.
- [38:56]
Ben Safer
It's so good to be here. Speaking of that love life, you said it's great. You want to talk more, talk less about it? We don't have to.
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JoJo Siwa
No, I'm. I'm honestly just so content.
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Ben Safer
Yes.
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JoJo Siwa
I think it's such a good word. And I'm so patient right now, which is very rare for me. So I'm very happy to be so content and so curious, I think is another good word. Just curious. Content, Happy.
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Ben Safer
Just like meeting cool people.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah. Just.
- [39:22]
Ben Safer
Just interesting.
- [39:23]
JoJo Siwa
Just like I feel like I'm frolicking. Just like I feel so angelic and just like frolicking through and like with.
- [39:31]
Ben Safer
With how hard you work. Is. Is there room for a Mississiwa?
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JoJo Siwa
It's interesting because actually, yeah, like, there's because, because also too, I'm in charge of myself, so thank God I'm super self disciplined. But like, yeah, I honestly have a lot of time that I can dedicate to my personal life because, because my career is so much. But I know how to do it like no other. Someone once told me it's really hard work, but we're really good at it. And it's like, it's so true.
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Ben Safer
And did you say before, like, like, what if you met someone who was like, I love you, but I also love being a paralegal.
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JoJo Siwa
Sorry.
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Ben Safer
I love being a pharmacy tech at cvs and I can't go on tour with you because it's, you know, it's Z Pac season.
- [40:15]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah. I actually, I had a best friend who I definitely had feelings for. She had feelings for me. It was very mutual. We had a conversation and she is very hard because I felt very hard for this person. And, and we, and now, like, I'm, no offense, super happy it didn't work out because I'm in a way better spot now. But at the time, it was really hard and crushed me because she was very honest with me. Like, look, yes, I have feelings for you. Yes, I might even be in love with you, but I can't do your life. And it crushed me because I was like, like, it almost got me thinking, like, if she can't, no one can. And, but then I, I, I realized, like, look, life is gonna, life, the world's gonna do what the world's gonna do. And yeah, it's a very real thing. And dating me, there's a lot that comes with it. You know, there's, there's the part where it's like you're, you're dating A, the me that everybody sees, but then B, you're getting the part of me that nobody gets to see. But then C, you have to deal with the people that think you're dating the person they know. But you also have to convince yourself that you know another side. But not everybody gets to know that. So it's, it's very trippy.
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Ben Safer
It's like, like you, you talked about how you in, in your past relationship from a few years ago, like, you chose to be public.
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JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
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Ben Safer
And so, you know, you took on whatever that sort of added element was. But being as, as well known and famous as you are and prolific.
- [41:48]
JoJo Siwa
Right.
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Ben Safer
Is there any version where you could have a private relationship?
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JoJo Siwa
You would think. You would think. But the paparazzi will always get you. And that's. That's a conversation that I have very early on, right? And it's. It's. Look, listen, we can keep this as private as we can. However, the second we are outside of a hotel room, outside of. Honestly, even inside a car is hard. So I would say that outside a hotel room or outside a house, like, if. If you hold my hand, if you put your hand on my leg, if you look at me a certain way, not only paparazzi, but there's just gonna be people everywhere videoing, and it's gonna get out, and the world moves quick. And so it's just kind of a thing to be aware of with. With people in my life. And I. I always. I always say, look, like, I'm used to having a very public life. I'm used to everything being aired out, everything being out there, and it doesn't get to me. But. But on this, I'll follow your lead, because if something gets out, I want you to be a part of it getting out, but I also want you to know, like, this will happen. And it's. It's tough. It's tough because it's like you might just be first getting to know somebody, and then all of a sudden, it's out there everywhere. You know what I mean? Or you might just be out with a friend having a good time, and people might be like, oh, my God, new love. You know what I mean? And it's. It's definitely. It's definitely hard. But I. I'm very lucky that most people that I have been in a relationship with have actually, like, had beautiful souls. Of course, I've had a couple of. Of fouls, but, you know, you have to have the. You have to have the bad to have the good. And I think that I've definitely rounded a corner, which I'm very happy about. And I don't think I'll. I don't think I want to ever exploit a relationship. Like, that's not for me anymore. That was for me two years ago, and that was crazy. But I think. I think private, not secret, is my vibe. Wow.
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Ben Safer
Love that.
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Josh Peck
Love it. Me too.
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JoJo Siwa
It's intense. It's so intense. And those are very tough conversations to have with somebody. Like, it's. How do you talk about that? And it's like, I also hate talking about myself as if I'm famous, especially when it's, like, with a partner. But it's, like, kind of have to. In a weird way. It's. It's. They're not easy conversations. To have. But with the right person, they are very worth it to have.
- [44:02]
Josh Peck
I mean, you're talking to two guys that have been married forever with their spouses, like found the loves of their lives are very happy and lucky. And like, the way that you're saying it, you're going about it the right way and you'll find the right person. It's definitely like a. You gotta, you gotta weed out the bad to find the good. But I think, I think that approaching it the way that you are is the only way you can do it. And like, if somebody. And if somebody doesn't appreciate the whole you, then they're the wrong.
- [44:27]
JoJo Siwa
They're the person.
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Josh Peck
So.
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JoJo Siwa
Thank you.
- [44:29]
Josh Peck
Yeah.
- [44:30]
Ben Safer
What in those moments, like, for me, that's my joke.
- [44:33]
JoJo Siwa
I'm like, you get two of me and you have to like them both. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [44:38]
Josh Peck
You get two. You get, you get two of Josh too. He has multiple personality disorder. Yes.
- [44:42]
Ben Safer
I got my own Emily over here.
- [44:44]
JoJo Siwa
Emmett. Yeah. I'm literally like, hopefully you're in to monogamy or poly because there's literally four of me.
- [44:52]
Ben Safer
Would you be down for poly? Solid.
- [44:55]
Josh Peck
No, but you'll see Josh on the street kibbit, sing with himself, literally.
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JoJo Siwa
But if somebody else's. There's literally three of me that I can give you. So like, be my guest.
- [45:05]
Ben Safer
Totally one.
- [45:06]
JoJo Siwa
One shell, three people.
- [45:08]
Ben Safer
I'm not pro poly either. I don't see it for myself.
- [45:11]
JoJo Siwa
It's definitely for others and I can see where it is and respect. And respect journey. Definitely too jealous of a person.
- [45:17]
Josh Peck
Yeah, dog.
- [45:19]
JoJo Siwa
No, no way. But I will say poly and monogamy have a difference and there, that's actually a fascinating difference to learn about. And I think that, like, I don't know, I. I think for me it's very important that like the love and the commitment is one to one. I think that to me and like, I don't know, I'm just, I'm very. I'm very. That's for me, right? Like, that's for me. But then monogamy versus non monogamy, it's something I'm a little more loose on. Like, it's just kind of like I'm. I'm not into it. It. I don't want to. But learning about it, I'm like, it's kind of cool that you can kind of experience whatever you want to experience, but you always end up coming back home. Like, I don't like go out, have.
- [46:04]
Ben Safer
A romantic interlude, like do your big.
- [46:06]
JoJo Siwa
One, but then like come home to me like that.
- [46:09]
Ben Safer
Do you think you could be okay with someone you were dating doing that?
- [46:12]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
- [46:13]
Josh Peck
Wow.
- [46:13]
Ben Safer
Good for you.
- [46:14]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah, it's. It's definitely a hot take, for sure. But I think the thing that's important to me is that, like, love and commitment. And I think because I'm a lesbian, that's way more emotional than it is physical and. Yeah. I don't know. I just think. I think with the right person, anything can kind of be right. You know what I mean?
- [46:36]
Ben Safer
As long as my wife didn't hook up with anyone from the Disney Channel, all good.
- [46:39]
JoJo Siwa
You know, like, all good.
- [46:42]
Ben Safer
No, like, enemies. But other than that. No, I'm kidding.
- [46:44]
JoJo Siwa
All good. If it's a Nick kid, fine. I'm not gonna ask that.
- [46:51]
Ben Safer
Finish that bot.
- [46:52]
JoJo Siwa
What would you do if you found out your wife hooked up with a co star?
- [46:57]
Ben Safer
I mean, that's. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Let me think about some of my co stars recently.
- [47:03]
Josh Peck
With Helen. With Helen.
- [47:05]
Ben Safer
With Miranda.
- [47:06]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
- [47:07]
Ben Safer
Paige and Miranda. That be.
- [47:10]
JoJo Siwa
What would you do if Paige came to and she was like, hey, like, I've been having gay thoughts about Miranda.
- [47:16]
Ben Safer
Oh, my God. I can't, first of all, clip it. Secondly, it'd be too. Miranda's like my. My sister.
- [47:25]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah, but she's beautiful.
- [47:26]
Ben Safer
She's a beautiful person.
- [47:28]
JoJo Siwa
She's hot.
- [47:28]
Ben Safer
We've literally grown up together. I know that part I could not handle.
- [47:33]
JoJo Siwa
But what if Paige was like, I.
- [47:35]
Ben Safer
Don'T want to hear from my wife. I don't want to hear from little pump. Shout out, little pump. You could probably beat me up. But I don't like to hear anybody making passes at my Miranda.
- [47:43]
JoJo Siwa
Like, I just wanted to find a nice age gap.
- [47:46]
Ben Safer
Seven, eight years or.
- [47:47]
Josh Peck
Okay.
- [47:47]
Ben Safer
I think she. Maybe she's 31 7, but I was 14. She was eight when she started on the show.
- [47:53]
JoJo Siwa
Wow.
- [47:54]
Ben Safer
So I just feel very protected.
- [47:56]
JoJo Siwa
Babies. Yeah, I'm a little older.
- [47:59]
Ben Safer
I started on Amanda show when I was 13.
- [48:01]
JoJo Siwa
Wow. Yeah.
- [48:03]
Ben Safer
Insane.
- [48:03]
Josh Peck
Wait. I like this. Wait, I like this game. What if Paige, like, really wanted to have, like, a romantic encounter with crazy.
- [48:09]
Ben Safer
Steve that I'm here for? He is a tall drink of water that I get. I cannot give her that. That.
- [48:16]
JoJo Siwa
How old were you when. When Drake and Josh. Hello? Drake and Josh ended.
- [48:20]
Ben Safer
19.
- [48:22]
JoJo Siwa
Damn.
- [48:22]
Ben Safer
Yeah.
- [48:24]
JoJo Siwa
That's crazy.
- [48:26]
Ben Safer
And we only made 60 episodes, but because there's no residuals, they can rerun it forever. And I think that's why people feel like it's just like, we did 200.
- [48:36]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
- [48:37]
Ben Safer
Because they've just seen it so much.
- [48:38]
JoJo Siwa
That's wild.
- [48:40]
Ben Safer
It's wild. It was a time wild.
- [48:43]
JoJo Siwa
Y'all were always on my house.
- [48:45]
Josh Peck
Jojo, same.
- [48:47]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
- [48:48]
Ben Safer
Too good to me.
- [48:48]
JoJo Siwa
It's crazy because like, that's something that's so surreal to me now growing up and like having friends like you having friends like Raven. I could never call myself friends with Miley, but I've met Miley. I watched a rehearsal of hers. I've talked to her.
- [49:02]
Ben Safer
Incredible.
- [49:03]
JoJo Siwa
Like, that's actually. Miranda was one of the first people too, that that came up to me and was like, oh my God, you're Jojo. See why I love you? Like, she was one of those first people.
- [49:11]
Ben Safer
She's the best.
- [49:12]
JoJo Siwa
She's the best, sweetest angel. But like growing up watching y'all create like literally my childhood and then like now being older and like, like there's like eight year old me is like, what the, like literal. What the. Like, hello. Like, it's like, it's so surreal. It's really cool. I think that all the time when I'm with Raven, I'm like, you're literally my best friend. But also like, like I remember waking up scared because like I saw your eye in the middle of the night on my tv. Like, hello.
- [49:41]
Ben Safer
Like, yeah, Raven is the greatest.
- [49:45]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah, we love them.
- [49:46]
Ben Safer
When you, when you get Raven with like a drink and a half in her fucking best, no one can shit talk like Raven Simone.
- [49:54]
JoJo Siwa
I love Raven.
- [49:56]
Ben Safer
She is the greatest.
- [49:57]
JoJo Siwa
Like, just hilarious.
- [49:59]
Ben Safer
I remember once we grew up in, we lived in a similar apartment complex in North Hollywood when we were kids and we went out for sushi one day and she was like, have you ever had fried matcha tea ice cream tempura matcha tea?
- [50:14]
JoJo Siwa
Guaranteed she has.
- [50:15]
Ben Safer
And I was like, no, I haven't. Raven, she's like, let me turn you on to something that's going to change your life. And we just shared a tempura ice cream.
- [50:23]
JoJo Siwa
Was it good?
- [50:24]
Ben Safer
It was a game changer.
- [50:26]
JoJo Siwa
It was so one thing about Raven is Raven will never tell a lie.
- [50:31]
Ben Safer
God love her.
- [50:32]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
- [50:33]
Ben Safer
Is there ever things that you see of like the next gen of like kid stars where you're just like, be careful. Like as far as just getting too hyped on themselves or any of those pitfalls.
- [50:43]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah, all the time. I also like, because I think a lot, a lot of kids stars now are coming from social media, right? And so it's like, what's that gonna look like in 10 years? We don't know. But even just working closely with kids, like I have a lot of friends that are. Have kids or a lot of friends that are. Are kids, just because over the years we've worked together, and they're great and they're fun and whatever. And, like, there's kids, like, a little girl named Everly, two twins, Tatum and Oakley. And I don't know Halston as well, but I knew Tatum and Oakley very well. There's a little boy named Titus. And all of. All of those kids, it's like, anytime I've worked with them, I've been like, yes, like, you got it. Like, you, You. You are. You are not only so entertaining and so likable, but you also have it like, whatever said it is, whether that be the passion behind it, whether that be the supportive family, like, what. Whatever the concoction is to make it work, you have it. And then I've been around some other kids where I'm like, stop working immediately. Go to school. Like, find a firefighter academy, like, anything.
- [51:49]
Ben Safer
But this and get out.
- [51:51]
JoJo Siwa
That's a very hard thing because, like, like, you can't tell the parent that. Right? You can't. You can't. But you just have to trust that, like, the world is gonna world and, like, the kid will find the right path. And I always make it very clear to any kid that I ever work with, like, look, if you ever need a helping hand out, I got you. You know what I mean? Like, if you ever need. Because I think that's one thing, and I didn't want the out, but I think I didn't really realize that when I turned 18, I could have said, I'm done. I want to go be a nurse. You know what I mean? I could have if I wanted to. And, like, I didn't understand that. I could have. I didn't want to. I don't want to.
- [52:25]
Ben Safer
I. I couldn't identify more with what you're saying.
- [52:28]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah. It's like, now that you're older, you're like, oh, my God, I literally could have 100. But in the. In the moment, you're like, no, I can't. I have to keep going.
- [52:35]
Ben Safer
Like, But I. And no need to answer if you don't want to. Also, like, I supported my family.
- [52:41]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
- [52:42]
Ben Safer
So If I at 18 said, you know, bye, mom, then she. And she was older, she was in her 60s. She would have had to figure out.
- [52:49]
JoJo Siwa
Out how to live again. Yeah. And it's. It's tough because it's like, I think when you're in that position, you can't see that that Decision would be okay.
- [53:00]
Ben Safer
That's right.
- [53:00]
JoJo Siwa
Right. But when you're out of that position, you can look in hindsight and be like, okay, no, like we could have had money to live off of while everyone found a job. And like, maybe wouldn't have been living lavish with the millions, but like, we would have been able to put food on the table if you would have gone to work, you know what I mean? Or if you would have figured it out or even go into investments or remote work or there's. There's options. Right. But I think that when you're so in it, you don't see that. And so that's why, like one of those conversations that. And I haven't had to have them yet with the kids because they're very young yet. I mean, Everly's 10, Titus is maybe nine, Tater Oakley are eight. Like, they're all really little. But when they are 15, 16, 17, like, I, I will make sure that I have those conversations with them being like, look, look, in, in your position that you are in right now, you can leave it in your childhood. And like, it was also your parents choice to quit their life for you. And so now it's gonna have to be your choice to decide if they have to go back to that. In hindsight, like for you. Right. 13 years. Right. You were 13 years old.
- [54:04]
Ben Safer
Yeah.
- [54:04]
JoJo Siwa
In hindsight, it was five years, essentially, that their life was dedicated to you. You know what I mean? It can correct me if I'm wrong on that. But like, they made their living before then, they can go back to it after then. But in it, you don't see that. You don't see that at all. Like, I didn't see that my mom could have gone back to being a dance teacher, my dad could have gone back to being a chiropractor. And like, all good.
- [54:25]
Ben Safer
And that people in a good way will move on from you.
- [54:30]
JoJo Siwa
Yes. Like, that's what I didn't see either. I thought, like, I was like. Like I realized, like, if I would have just turned 18 and like gone away and like, literally stopped and left it in my childhood, people would have. People wouldn't bug me in Target. You know what I mean? And it's right. You think, like, oh, that'll never happen, but like, no, it will. But where I'm lucky is like, I want it. Like, I want to keep going. Like, it's my passion, it's what I love to do. But I think that it's important for the people to know if it's not Your passion, you can literally leave it.
- [54:57]
Ben Safer
I also sometimes when people ask, because they always love to ask that question, you know, especially because I have kids, like would you want them to get into the business?
- [55:04]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
- [55:05]
Ben Safer
And I always say, you know, I think if they enjoy performing they should go to every acting class and do every school play and do, you know, I'll support, support their passion no matter what.
- [55:13]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
- [55:14]
Ben Safer
But the difference between starting at 13 and at even 17 is four years. But if you start at 17, you're not a kid actor.
- [55:23]
JoJo Siwa
Right.
- [55:24]
Ben Safer
You're just basically a grown up.
- [55:26]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah.
- [55:26]
Ben Safer
And people won't look at you with that moniker, which can be a little bit of like a blessing and a curse.
- [55:32]
JoJo Siwa
Yeah, it's, it's interesting. It's like I think any, any life path has its pros and has its cons, right? You look at that. Some child stars. Look that when they started as a baby. Right. Some child stars. Raven is a great example. Raven started she 6 months old. Like baby, she doesn't know anything else. And then you look at some that started. I mean I started when I was nine. You said when you were 13. And there are some that start when they're. You know what I mean? Like it's someone like artist wise, like Chapel Roan. Right?
- [56:04]
Ben Safer
Yeah.
- [56:04]
JoJo Siwa
She started making music 10 years ago. She was. Megan actually is a better example because I can tell. Talk highly of Meghan Trainor and knowledgeable in Meghan Trainor's world. Like all about that base came out when Meghan Trainor was 19. Like that's when she rose to fame, you know what I mean? And so it's, it's like interesting like what age makes a difference. And I think for me honestly fame is so much easier because I was a child star and like I kind of grew slowly. I think if I actually in my case, if I had a whole life before just say karma came out, I would be like, what the fuck is this? I can't handle people being mean to me. I can't handle this. Why is everyone looking at me? Why are people wearing my makeup? Like. But because people wore my bows, it makes sense why people wear my makeup. You know what I mean? Like it all. And like my friend, my friend Tyler Cameron who's like literally my family, he always says like you because he grew to fame when he was mid-20s and he had a full normal life before then. And he's like, you navigate being a 21 year old really well publicly. Like these are your years where you're supposed to be a Train wreck. And, like, you actually handle it really well. And so, like, it's. It's kind of interesting.
- [57:12]
Josh Peck
Tyler's the best.
- [57:13]
JoJo Siwa
Y'all know Tyler?
- [57:14]
Josh Peck
We do. We're really close with him. That's our. That's our connection. Tyler's the best.
- [57:19]
JoJo Siwa
Is literally the best.
- [57:21]
Josh Peck
I'm literally sitting here. I just want you guys to know, listening to the best podcast ever, like, that last 10 minutes, I was just, like, in the audience and, like, listening to the inside baseball. Like, sometimes it doesn't translate. Like, we've had guests where it doesn't. Like, that was. That was awesome. And, like, it's just, like, it's just such, like, a unique perspective. Like, you don't realize that you can get out. And, like, as people that aren't child stars, like, we decide what we want to be when we're 18.
- [57:50]
JoJo Siwa
That's another interesting thing.
- [57:52]
Josh Peck
Or really when we're 22. Like, if you go to school, you have so many much time to figure it out, but there is a benefit of being thrusted into something also. Like, you sort of had. If you can see it that way, you had an opportunity to have a career before anybody even started thinking about having a career and trying things.
- [58:10]
JoJo Siwa
And I'm also like. Like, specifically to me and not to talk about me, me, me, me, but I'm a very unique case. Like, I. The more you get to know me, the more you're like, yo, your brain's being studied when you kick the can. Like, because what is different in there? Like, it's. And it's something that I don't try to, like, prove to people that my brain's different, but it does work in very different ways. Like, even back in the day when I. I did go to school, like, I. I used to, like, buy. This started when I was in, like, sixth grade. I would. I would buy sixth grade, right? It was online program, and I would click the first math lesson, and I would, like, scan the lesson and be like, okay, I'll figure it out. And I'd go to the questions, and I'd get 100 that. So then I jump, and I do, like, the sixth lesson, I go from one to six, and then I would just go straight to the questions, and I would know how to do it. And then I would be like, all right, well, I'm just gonna try to take the end of the year test and, like, see if I can pass. And I would know how to do it all. Like, it was, like. It was very strange. Then I would buy seventh grade and then eighth grade, and then that's how I graduated so early is I just kind of like breezed through, through it all, which is like crazy. Like, I. I definitely though now, like knowing people and like having a girlfriend at the time who was in high school when I should have been in high school, but I was already graduated. She did this math problem and she was like, answer this. And she tried to make a really hard Albert Einstein problem, and I did it. And she was like, how'd you get that answer? And I was like, well, I just did. Like, I don't. I don't know. And she was like, well, show me your work. And I was like, I mean, no. And she was like, well, that's what you have to do. And I was like, okay. Well, fine. Okay. So I showed her how I did it and she was like, I've never seen someone solve a math problem like that. And I was like, but did I get the answer? She. She was like, yeah. And I was like, great, can we move on with our life? And she was like, yeah. Like, it was like. It was a very strange conversation. And that's kind of like my work mentality too. Like, it's very different, but in like a. I guess a good sort of way.
- [59:59]
Ben Safer
Can you imagine Jojo in a remake of Goodwill Hunting at the top? I'm optioning it right now. I'm a producer. Don't boot me from being a producer. Jojo.
- [60:12]
JoJo Siwa
I mean, look, it was your idea, so I can't take it from you.
- [60:14]
Josh Peck
Are you.
- [60:14]
Ben Safer
We all heard it here. Okay, so our final segment is called what do you nuts? Ben and I will start. We'll give you time to think. Our what do you nuts? Moment of the week are gripes with people, places and things. Things big or small, whatever's sticking in your craw, anything dumb, huge, or anything in the middle that's just like, what are you nuts?
- [60:32]
Josh Peck
Like, it just make you usually funny. Like they're light hearted. You can take it wherever you want.
- [60:37]
Ben Safer
We'll give you an example.
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JoJo Siwa
What are you nuts?
- [60:40]
Ben Safer
Yeah, so like, something in life that makes you want to say, what are you nuts?
- [60:44]
Josh Peck
You're walking down the street.
- [60:45]
JoJo Siwa
What are you nuts? Like, are you a psychopath? Okay, okay.
- [60:49]
Ben Safer
Yeah, sure.
- [60:50]
Josh Peck
Yes. So straight people.
- [60:54]
JoJo Siwa
Yes.
- [60:54]
Josh Peck
Okay, good.
- [60:56]
Ben Safer
Finally someone said it.
- [60:58]
JoJo Siwa
Okay, give me your examples and then I'll think.
- [61:01]
Josh Peck
Okay, so I'll go first. So I was in an Uber recently and the guy was just drenched in cologne. And I'm sure you've gotten into a car like this before. Where the driver just wearing so much cologne. And it got me thinking to myself, like, why are you wearing cologne? Are you trying to make out with me? Like, are you trying to make a pass at me, the passenger? Yeah, because otherwise, I don't understand why you're wearing cologne. Is it, like, what is the purpose? Like, you're. You're. I can't breathe back here. And, like, the purpose of cologne is to, like, send a signal to somebody. So I don't get it. What are you nuts? Stop wearing the cologne. If you need to, you can take a shower. That's totally up to you. But dousing yourself in cologne is not good for me. It's not good for you.
- [61:42]
Ben Safer
It's not.
- [61:42]
JoJo Siwa
You nuts.
- [61:44]
Josh Peck
It's a confined space. I don't need to choke on your cologne.
- [61:47]
Ben Safer
My Woody Nuts moment of the week is me. What are you, nuts? And when I am nuts, it's always good. I don't mean to brag. I have a membership to Sky Zone Trampoline park for me and my son. For you, I'm doing well. I don't want to talk about it. And so we go there, and of course, we have our own socks with the stickies on the bottom.
- [62:08]
JoJo Siwa
Absolutely.
- [62:08]
Ben Safer
We're regulars. And so we forgot them. So we went and I said, what kind of price gouging are these people gonna do now? I said, this is where they make their money. I go in and I say, yes, I'm gonna need two sets of socks for my son and I. And they go, oh, no problem. Those will be $18. Okay, maybe 14.
- [62:34]
JoJo Siwa
I'm not sure.
- [62:35]
Ben Safer
18 sounded better, each or. No, for two pairs. Okay, but these are, like, throwaway. Like, you know, you can't them, right. You can't reuse them.
- [62:43]
Josh Peck
It's not that bad.
- [62:44]
JoJo Siwa
It's like you're either in the mental hospital or you're in Sky Zone. There's no other place to use sticky socks.
- [62:54]
Ben Safer
100%. So I'm like, this is. This is nuts. And I was like. And so I'm giving a whole dissertation to the woman behind the counter. I said, you know, they really price scouts with you. This is how they get you. Yeah, and they know you're gonna forget they know it. So she goes, yeah. So I buy the socks, and then all of a sudden, I hear on the announcement as we're, like, you know, playing, like, trampoline dodgeball. All socks. All socks. Revenue is going to the St. Jude's Charity for children. What am I, nuts? Sky Zone, an incredible company. I'm an idiot. Shout out St. Jude's oh, that's.
- [63:39]
JoJo Siwa
That's good. That's good. That's good. That's really good. That's funny. That's really good.
- [63:45]
Ben Safer
You got one. It can be really minor. Straight people's pretty good.
- [63:50]
Josh Peck
Straight people was a good one.
- [63:51]
Ben Safer
It's amazing. If you want to elaborate, you can.
- [63:53]
JoJo Siwa
Straight people. Straight sex. Okay. No, actually, I do have one. I do have one. This is to actually. The first gay person. Listen, I don't know who you are. I don't know when you were. I don't know where you're from, but I want to know who was the first person to look at the same sex and be like, let's try this. That's nuts. What are you nuts? Like. Like, think about it. Somebody for the first time and like, yes, yes, yes. Hit me with the technicals. Like, animals haven't gave before. Y. Hit me with the technical. Like, who knows how humans were even developed? There might have been two females first. Like, who knows? Yes. But, like, just stick with me here. Just say there's a man and a woman for the first time. They made they have a kid. They made they have a kid. They made they have a kid. The kids have kids. Like, we're all just whatever, somehow related. But who was the first person that was like, I got an idea. Or, this is so bad. This is so bad. This is so bad. Who was the first person that was like, I wonder what that tastes like. What are you nuts?
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Ben Safer
Yeah.
- [65:12]
JoJo Siwa
Is that. No, the first.
- [65:14]
Josh Peck
The first. The first. The firsts are all nuts. I think about this all the time. The first person that ever found out that you could drink cow's milk. What? He just put his mouth on the udder.
- [65:23]
JoJo Siwa
Nuts.
- [65:24]
Josh Peck
For fun. Nuts.
- [65:25]
JoJo Siwa
Go. Simple. First person that decided you can eat an apple, but you have to peel an orange. Who was the first person that bit into an orange? A fucking nut.
- [65:34]
Josh Peck
Jojo.
- [65:35]
Ben Safer
Not spectacular. What a showing. Absolutely.
- [65:40]
Josh Peck
Jojo. What can you plug? Anything to plug on this enormous podcast.
- [65:44]
JoJo Siwa
Do we know when it's coming out?
- [65:46]
Josh Peck
In the new year.
- [65:47]
JoJo Siwa
Oh, fun. Okay, so, yeah, new music's coming out. Might be doing a really fun TV show in April. Stay tuned. Hopefully that happens. And if it doesn't, it's all good. We'll be doing music then instead. I'm going to have a really fun announcement having something to do with live shows very soon.
- [66:03]
Josh Peck
Ooh.
- [66:04]
JoJo Siwa
Oh, my God, there's so much. It's all music based, so, you know, follow me everywhere. It's Jojo. Siwa. Hearing me talk about how nuts people doing things for the first time doesn't make you want to follow me anywhere. But in case it does, follow me everywhere.
- [66:16]
Ben Safer
You're the best.
- [66:17]
JoJo Siwa
Thank you. Thank you for having me. Appreciate you guys.
- [66:19]
Josh Peck
You are the best. This look, this episode is 5 stars. Otherwise, what are you, nuts? Listen to us on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. Watch us on Josh's YouTube. Follow us on TikTok and Instagram Mondays and Thursdays. Folks, the great Jojo Siwa. We will see you next time.
- [66:33]
JoJo Siwa
Love y'all. Thank you. Please note that this episode may contain.
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Ben Safer
Paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services.
- [66:50]
JoJo Siwa
Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products.
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Ben Safer
Or services referred to in this episode.