Josh (2:08)

Yeah, dog. A lot of fleece is made from recycled plastic bottles, but not all of it. Most fleece is made from polyester. Get rid of that statement, which is a plastic fiber. When brands say recycled fleece, they use plastic bottles that are collected clean, shredded, melted into pellets, spun into polyester thread.

Ben (2:29)

Got it. So fleece is plastic.

Josh (2:31)

I'm wearing a 24 ounce.

Ben (2:36)

You're wearing a 40 pack of Kirkland.

Josh (2:39)

This was formerly a Pepsi Bottle.

Ben (2:45)

Oh, man, I wonder. You know, we have the great Dr. Craig Conover on the podcast. He's coming in soon. So excited. Maybe we should ask him about the effects of microplastic being worn in a fleece.

Josh (2:58)

Totally. And our audience, of course, they're going to think it's Craig Conover from Southern Charm, who is a big, great, wonderful part of the pod. But no, this is an even different Craig Conover.

Ben (3:09)

And fascinatingly enough, this Craig Conover is also from South Carolina. He's also born in Delaware. Okay. But he is an md. Okay. A real frickin doctor. And he's been Josh's doctor. You're wondering. You're looking at Josh. Every day, Josh just waltzes on the podcast with another ninth muscle on his muscles, whatever the hell these things are. And we're like, God, you look great. Yeah. It's because he's being dosed by Dr. Craig Conover. And not only dosed, coached. Right. He's your life coach.

Josh (3:43)

I should wear. My body should be like a nascar. Okay. Right. And it should just have the patches of. Who is my sponsor? Dr. Craig Conover. RO CO. You know, trauma from Nickelodeon. You know what I mean? Just all over.

Ben (3:59)

That is so funny. If we had sponsor patches of people that guide us.

Josh (4:05)

Wow.

Ben (4:07)

Big Turmeric.

Josh (4:08)

Whoever.

Ben (4:09)

Like Nature's Bounty,

Josh (4:12)

Barney Greengrass.

Ben (4:16)

You just have Zyrtec in the middle with a big cross.

Josh (4:20)

Second Avenue Deli.

Ben (4:25)

Oh, my God, that is so funny.

Josh (4:27)

That's funny because I think Manischewitz Social reached out to me the other day and I said, you don't need a social media, Manischewitz.

Ben (4:39)

Was it the food, the food brand or the wine brand?

Dr. Craig Conover (4:41)

Food.

Josh (4:42)

It was food.

Ben (4:43)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've done a nice rebrand, though. Their stuff looks good. The thing is. Yeah. I don't think they need it. They don't need a social media. If you know, you know. Okay. It's honestly cooler that way. Either you know or you're probably not going to be interested. If you know, you know. And if you know, you know.

Josh (5:01)

What was your first sip of alcohol? Was it Manischewitz wine at Shabbat?

Ben (5:06)

Probably. I have to assume that it was wine for sure.

Josh (5:09)

Right.

Ben (5:09)

Even though. Yeah, but my parents were never big drinkers. It wasn't like. That's a great question. It had to have been wine. And then my second sip was seven. No, not 17 years old. 15 years old. I was that kid at the party walking around saying, alcohol is bad for you. You don't want to be drinking that. I had so many friends. And I fell asleep at a party because I was sober, and my best friend at the time, like, poured beer in my mouth, and I woke up with beer in my mouth. And that was my first. That was my drink.

Josh (5:42)

Wow.

Ben (5:43)

That was my first drink. Beer. Yep, yep.

Josh (5:46)

God, you had great parents.

Ben (5:48)

I mean, I did. I did. I'm. I'm very. Yeah, yeah. Bruce and Ava are the best. We'll talk about it on the next episode. But they went to see Jared Freed in New York, and, oh, my God. So they did the funniest thing. It's a cliffhanger, though. Okay, It's a cliffhanger because we. We. Look, we have Dr. Conover. Josh, we gotta let him in. He's knocking. I hear him. He's knocking.

Josh (6:12)

No, it's very exciting. Dr. Conover's coming on, and I was gonna ask you something really interesting about drinking and boozing as a baby, but I don't think I did. I lose it. I'm so hyped on Dr. Conover. And now Bruce and Ava, they're going and seeing. Oh, this is what I want to ask you really quick. Of some fun Judaism. Okay, so, you know, at Shabbat dinners and any kind of religious dinners that we do, we do something called the. The kiddush, the bore puri hagafin, where we honor the vine. The grape of the vine.

Ben (6:44)

Yes, yes.

Josh (6:46)

Now, growing up as a kid, at Shabbat dinner, the, you know, the master of the house, the father, would overflow the great cup of wine, and then he takes a sip and passes it around. First question, why do they overflow it? And secondly, did. Did they use wine or grape juice at your house? So were the kids getting a little sip of the vine?

Ben (7:10)

Yeah. So not everybody overflows the cup of wine. I think that might be a custom. And also, not everybody always drinks from the same cup. It depends on the household. Some of them will take their cup, they'll drink it, and then they'll pour them into this. This magical contraption. Have you seen one of these where you pour it down the middle and it spouts out into eight different little shot glasses? It's genius. It. It is genius. Honestly, they should have them in the fricking club, and you should be pouring vodka in the middle, and then you have eight shots. So you don't have these waitresses that are just pouring individual shots. It's nonsense. The Jews made it. They made a solution. My parents always do grape juice. I was. I was never, ever, ever drinking wine, but I probably would have been better off drinking wine because then I just chugged the entire thing at Kedem, which had like 450,000 grams of sugar. I loved grape juice. It was delicious. So, so good. And maybe if I just had a little sip of wine, I wouldn't have been so fat.

Josh (8:05)

My kids do mocktails almost every night, so they'll do 90%. It's so fun because they'll do like 90% sparkling water and then just like a 10% hit of juice. And I keep the kettam on tap, baby. And they are. Between the fact that they have such a taste for seltzer and then I'm doing the kedom. I'm microdosing Judaism into these kids.

Ben (8:27)

You are. And ketam is so unbelievably delicious. It's so good. You know what else is? I'm sure that they've had this. I'm sure that you've had this. Have you ever mixed a little Josh diet Sprite with a little bit of blue Powerade down? This is the most delicious. It's kind of a mocktail, right? You go 90% Diet Sprite, 10% Blue Powerade. This drink, Josh, outrageous.

Josh (8:52)

Do you think if you mix Powerade and Gatorade, you'd come?

Ben (9:02)

I don't know. I'm down to try.

Josh (9:03)

It's a lot of aid. You know what I'm saying?

Ben (9:10)

Are you. Are you Powerade or Gatorade?

Josh (9:13)

I'm a Gatorade man.

Ben (9:14)

You know, I think I'm Powerade.

Josh (9:18)

You are a Pepsi brand, man.

Ben (9:20)

I just, I like a blue Powerade I think is better than a blue Gatorade.

Josh (9:25)

So you're blue guy?

Ben (9:27)

I'm big time blue btp. Big time blue. And I'm very anti orange anything. Miss me on orange. Okay, no orange Gatorade. No orange Powerade. I'll take a fruit punch, no problem. If you're out of the. Out of the blue or out of the glacier ice, you could throw a fruit punch my way. The lemon, also lemon lime, it's builds up a little reflux. I don't need that. But the orange, you can miss me. You're. You're a. You're a fruit punch guy.

Josh (9:55)

I love fruit punch, but I. I'm a big Gatorade guy. The fruit punch, you just have to be careful of the red because it does stain the mouth. My wife loves a lemon lime. I like some of the newer, more current flavors, like a glacier cherry, which. It's a white cherry.

Ben (10:11)

Never had a glacier cherry or the frost Frost Sounds delicious.

Josh (10:16)

I. When I was in the height of my using and total cliche, drinking and boozing and doing all of alcohol's cousins and brothers and sisters, the devil's dandruff, the book of Sugar, I. I would pack myself a lunch because I was not eating anything else. And so this was like my main sustenance. And I, A, I think it kept me alive and B, it's the food. I could probably every day I would eat two. I get two pieces of Ezekiel bread, like a quarter pound shaved turkey, cheddar cheese, mayo, mustard. That was like my lunch. And I would do like a 16 ounce Gatorade and a cereal bar from Trader Joe's, like a blueberry or a raspberry cereal bar. That was basically all I ate for two years. One meal a day. That was the meal.

Ben (11:07)

Dream meal.

Josh (11:08)

I love it.

Ben (11:09)

Like, fantastic. So yummy. And he of course had that Hellman's mayo in there. What do you guys say? You call it best foods over there, which is a shonda.

Josh (11:18)

No, Hellman. We're Hellman's here.

Ben (11:20)

We're give Hellman's. Hellman's.

Josh (11:23)

All right, let's get to the great, great conover. You guys are gonna love it and we will see you after.

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Elizabeth Endres (15:20)

Hi, I'm Elizabeth Endres, a wellness founder for nearly a decade. My passion for feeling really good and commitment to the deep inner work have led me here, where I'll be sharing all the modalities that have helped me and sitting down weekly for unfiltered conversations with healers, practitioners, founders and dear friends. I truly didn't believe emotions caused chronic symptoms until I started healing and realizing that my type A highly sensitive personality was very much linked to my skin and gut issues, pelvic pain and more. If you were the sensitive one in the family growing up, the Wellness Process Podcast is for you. You can listen to the Wellness Process Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. I am so happy you're here,

Josh (16:03)

Doctor Conover. Will you give the good guys audience just a quick background of your pedigree? I'm like a Jewish mother over here. I'm caveling over your achievements.

Dr. Craig Conover (16:12)

Oh, well, I appreciate that. Sure. I'm, you know, family medicine trained here in Charleston, South Carolina. I opened my practice in 2006. It's evolved into a wellness practice and so we use all the kind of high tech popular tools like peptides and nad and bioidentical hormones, especially lab testing, stem cells, exosomes. Fortunately for me, I've been doing this longer than most. So, you know, part of my practice is we see patients from all over the world who come to our practice and then I also train physicians and practices from all over the world just because I enjoy it. We do things differently and it's very positive. We really enjoy our patient base. You know, we try to make an impact where we can.

Josh (16:54)

Well, I think this is a good place to start. So in 2020 I was doing the landmark television show Turner and Hooch. I don't talk about it enough really. And the great Ben Greenfield, who's gonna come on the podcast another Brilliant guy in the health and wellness space. I reached out to him and I said, look, I'm playing the lead of this show. I wanna look good, I wanna look jacked.

Ben (17:18)

I don't.

Josh (17:19)

You know, at the time I was 32. I feel like I'm not sure I'm ready to get on the TRT testosterone train. A little bit of the roids shooting up in the back of a Gold's gym. But I would like to optimize, I would like a little help. And he said, sure. Talk to Dr. Craig Conover about peptides. So that's what started my journey. I feel like they're so hot right now. Will you tell us about peptides?

Dr. Craig Conover (17:44)

Yeah, I think they're super hot. I think 20, 25 was like the year of peptides. It like exploded. In simple terms, they're just, you know, all naturally occurring molecules, chains of amino acids that we put together novel combinations. They're small chains, so they're short molecules. I think of them as, you know, like signaling molecules. Very, very safe. Empirically, we use a lot of them with patients because the safety profile is so nice. We don't. We do. I mean, nothing's perfect. But by and large, they're very, very safe. And by and large, they're really effective for most people to help with sleep, recovery, cognitive function, body composition, burning fat, you know, building muscle, all the things people want.

Ben (18:26)

So I've been on. I didn't realize until recently that it was a peptide. I've been on GLP1s for the last three years. I've switched. I've gone from Ozempic to one that I think was made in the back of somebody's truck to now zepbound, which I've found the most effective. And that's just a peptide, right? That is just.

Dr. Craig Conover (18:42)

That is exactly.

Ben (18:43)

It's just probably now the most mainstream, popular peptide would be a GLP1.

Dr. Craig Conover (18:49)

Sure.

Josh (18:49)

100.

Dr. Craig Conover (18:50)

Yeah. I mean, those have taken off in the last five years and that's become like the number one selling drug in the United States, maybe the world, but certainly the United states are the GLP1s. They're amazing. They're.

Ben (19:00)

They're, they're amazing. I'm over zoom. I probably look svelte. Let me tell you, if we met three years ago, you'd be like, who is this ballooned whale? Okay? And that's all because these are miracle drugs. They really are. And they, like. I'd love to hear your pov because they do get, I think, a bad rep often. You mentioned how safe peptides are. And again, not the ones that are maybe administered not by somebody who should, or created not by somebody who should, but these real marquee drugs, they're safe and effective long term.

Dr. Craig Conover (19:35)

Yeah, I mean, for sure. I mean, here's the problem, or a problem in this space is we don't have a lot of clinical studies to back that up. Because unless it's a pharmaceutical, there's no one going to spend the time, resources and money on a peptide, for example. So we're using animal based and smaller physiology studies. And then for me, I'm a clinician, so I'm observing my patients. I think I've overseen more peptide treatments than anyone on the planet. And so I have a lot of breadth in seeing, you know, when we administer these peptides, what happens, how to use them appropriately, how to dose them, when to dose them, who to dose them for. In terms of the GLP1s, I think they have gotten a bad rap for, you know, many flavors. Some people say, hey, it's a shortcut. You're cheating if you do it. Which doesn't make sense to me. And I mean, if it was so easy to lose weight and maintain weight, why are there 16 new diets every year? Why are we a country that's, you know, more obese than in shape? It's because it's hard, you know, and keeping up with things like that are really challenging. And I just think we should be more supportive. Like, who doesn't feel better when they look better? Like, why is that a bad thing?

Ben (20:39)

And feel better, lighter, like, yeah, I'm now in. It's funny, I've always loved basketball. I could never make my high school basketball team. I was too fat. Now in my early 30s, I'm in a great pickup run. All of the older Jewish guys have started to taper off, but I'm now at my slimmest Dr. Conover. I'm flying all over the court. And let me tell you, this is it. It's just you feel so much better when you're lighter. No question. So why shouldn't everybody have that? Look at Josh. Josh didn't even. He lost it the right way. And he's still fucking around with these because they're so great. Yeah.

Dr. Craig Conover (21:12)

No, and I think, I think people can overdo it, right? And I think that, that you do have to be careful. The way we do it in my practice is we start at a low dose, we go slowly, we take our time. There's no rush or urgency to get people to the sweet spot. We don't overdo it. We're very conservative where a lot of practices and physicians are really shotgunning. And this is where people get Ozempic, face, lose muscle mass. You know, they look like gaunt. They don't look healthy. Our goal is not to be thin. Our goal is to be healthy. So it's a different outlook.

Josh (21:40)

It's called titrating, Ben. Titration. Sorry, go.

Ben (21:45)

It makes it. No, it makes sense. And everybody that I've ever heard, they're like, oh, I'm so nauseous. It's like, what dose did they start you on? Like, sure, you'll experience a little bit of nausea, but if you have zero appetite, everybody laughs. They're like, ben, you're on, you're on Zepbound, but you just ate two pieces of cheesecake. It's like, yeah, I'm on, I'm on Zepbound. That works for me. Which means that I think daily I'm eating maybe 300 less calories a day than I would. But over three years, that's been £70. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Craig Conover (22:15)

We like people to lose, you know, £1 or so or less a week. We think that that's safe. When people are losing more than that, we run into trouble. So again, be conservative, take our time.

Ben (22:27)

Makes sense.

Josh (22:28)

And obviously you can't predict the future, Dr. Conover. But my gut instinct, as someone who's battled and had their own food journey since I was, you know, seven, eight years old, is my joke is always, oh, well, GLPs make you not hungry. And I always say, I never ate because I was hungry. Like I ate because I love it. And yeah, I know that these are supposed to be things that perhaps you're not on for life. My guess is over time, people are going to need to be on them for life. Does it look like that's going to be a possibility or right now we just don't know what those super long term effects look like?

Dr. Craig Conover (23:07)

I think both. I think you're right. I think it's playing out that people want to stay on them. And because they're so long acting though, we can change up the frequency. So, you know, once patients have lost the, you know, weight they want to lose, hit their goal weight. In our practice, we can talk about maybe you don't need to do it every week. Maybe you can dial down the dosage and do it once every two weeks or once every three weeks or once a month so you're not doing as much. But because it's so long acting it's staying in your system. But I also think so far the, the, you know, long term, again it's, it's more shorter term results seem very safe. You know, we, we know we've learned some things. I mean I just spoke to a patient who spoke to their doctor about, we were concerned about pancreatic issues with these peptides and this was a GI specialist who said we've debunked that now. So I think as we use them we're learning that they're very anti inflammatory looking like they help cognitively. So maybe helping with things like dementia, neurologic function. Again, I think it's too early to tell, but I think you're right. I think people are going to want to stay on them and feel good and as long as they're being monitored, people aren't going to overdo it. That's the key. I think so.

Ben (24:16)

I think everyone and their mother saw this Wegovy ad, this new Wegovy pill. They spent $1 million more than that on DJ Khaled. You've seen him in the boxing ring. Josh, have you seen this commercial? Yes. Where they're hawking the new pill. Does that work? Like do, like I just.

Elizabeth Endres (24:32)

Sure.

Dr. Craig Conover (24:33)

Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't think so. I think, I think what we're going to find out is probably it's not going to work as well. Right. Like we, in my practice, we're firm believers in bioavailability. That's why we've done, you know, IV nutrition, forever injecting peptides, injecting nad, because if you inject it, you bypass the stomach, you're getting it into the system. Anytime you swallow anything, you're going to lose absorption. So I think it's going to be a challenge. We'll, we'll see though. I mean it's going to be easier if people swallow a pill, but much easier.

Ben (25:02)

And I feel like the people who are afraid, there's probably a word for afraid of needles, but I, I feel like this is, this is now the, the miracle pill that to me seems like it, it just can't. I just don't understand how it works.

Dr. Craig Conover (25:15)

Yeah, I mean, I think it'd be the same mechanism. I think they're going to put something in the tablet to protect it from the stomach, breaking it down. Hopefully it gets into the small intestine where it starts to be digested, broken down, then absorbed. I think what's coming, actually what I've heard is we're going to be moving from once a week shots to potentially once a month shots to once a quarter shots to. Yeah, like extending that so people can do it less but have equal results.

Josh (25:40)

Would they be open to putting it into a salt form so you could snort it at the cliff?

Dr. Craig Conover (25:46)

I'm sure people figured that out.

Josh (25:48)

Yes, that'd be hot.

Dr. Craig Conover (25:49)

I'm sure.

Josh (25:50)

Yeah, by the club, I mean Weight Watchers.

Ben (25:54)

You just go under the bridge and all these junkies are just, just have zeppelin in their spoons.

Josh (25:59)

Oh God. What now, Dr. Conover? They dropped the GLP1, then they went to a GLP2 with tirzepatide and the Mounjaro Zepbound. And now coming on the horizon. I texted you about it six months ago. You said, josh, we're not there yet, but I got my hair to the fat streets Reddit glp 3. Your boy Andrew Huberman has been saying it's going to be the game changer of all game changers. What is that going to look like?

Dr. Craig Conover (26:31)

I'm not sure, you know, because we haven't used it yet because it's still research grade, so it's not officially approved for use. Lots of people are still able to access it from a research company. We don't use research chemicals. But what I've heard is it's. I don't think it's going to be the end all. Be all. I've heard from several different reports it can cause increased heart rate, increased blood pressure. So I think we're going to find out. I'm not as like hopeful that it's the silver bullet. I'm a little bit more cynical that for us, we like Tirzepatite or Mangerna the best, seems to be the cleanest and easiest to use. So we'll stick with that for now.

Josh (27:07)

The one positive I heard was that it, it protects your muscles, that they're seeing much less muscle loss with that one.

Dr. Craig Conover (27:16)

Yeah, but I mean the way we dose terzepatide, even semaglutide, we don't get muscle wasting because we start low, go slowly, that we warm people up. I think that happened initially where people were using bigger dosages. So they're going to lose weight, both fat and muscle in larger quantities up front. And that's where that fear and that reality came from. When you go slowly and you take your time, then you're going to make sure that people work out, eat plenty of protein, do all the things, you know, resistance training. I don't think we're, we don't see that in our patients that they're losing muscle. So I'm not worried about that.

Ben (27:50)

So what have you seen in a Manjaro versus a Zap bound that that's what you prescribe? At one point I was on Ozempic. I skipped. I missed the Manjaro journey, and then I went to Zepbound, which has been very helpful. I am definitely. You have one bad day a week. I'm not going to lie. The injection day is not a good day. You're tired, you're moody. I don't recall that necessarily from Ozempic, but it's very, very effective. I'm losing more weight, I think, on Zepbound than I was. But why, why, why Manjaro?

Dr. Craig Conover (28:23)

We like it. It seems to for simple reasons. Less side effects, meaning less nausea, less constipation, less heartburn, and faster to weight loss. And so I just think it's cleaner. Now, I do have some people who, you know, we go back and forth. If they plateau, say on Tirzepatide, we may want to switch them to semaglutide or Ozempic and vice versa. And I do think some people who started on semi aglutide like feeling. I know this sounds weird, but they like feeling some of the more harsher effects to be like, this is working.

Ben (28:54)

Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Without side effects, how do you know if it's working?

Dr. Craig Conover (28:59)

I understand a little bit of that.

Ben (29:00)

Yeah.

Dr. Craig Conover (29:01)

Yeah.

Josh (29:01)

So we have a huge female fan base. And what I'm hearing on, you know, the group chats with my wife, her dear friend Libby, and the gals are talking about the copper peptide, the GHK for skin, for hair. Can you speak to that?

Dr. Craig Conover (29:18)

Yeah. So ghk, copper. And it has this kind of blue tint to it, which is the copper. Yeah. It grew up in the wound healing space. And then we were using it for years and years and years for skin rejuvenation. So there's a quality to it that it helps with skin texture, skin tone, helping to increase collagen, helping the scalp and hair. I think that's all real. It also has a DNA repair effect. In October of 2023, the FDA banned us from our compounding pharmacies from being able to inject it. And so we haven't been able to prescribe it since that time. We can make it into a topical cream, which still can work, but not nearly as well as when people inject it. It's, you know, I think, though, what I've seen, because I get this question almost every Day. If I start copper peptide, do I have to continue Botox? I've heard I can stop Botox completely. That's not true. Like, I think that's going too far. Like, peptides are great, but I don't think they're the end all be all, you know, Right. So now. But it's a real thing.

Josh (30:19)

Ben, please give. Doctor. We have the great doctor here. Talk about if, If I may share with him, like, you have battled a bit of brain fog. A little bit of this. A little bit. Why don't you have a private moment with him and. And see. See what the great man can do for you.

Ben (30:36)

So a couple of things. The first is I did want you to fact check my findings. Okay. We're gonna start. Okay, we're gonna start with. And I don't. I don't know. I don't know if you'll be able to answer this or not. Does head and shoulders. Can head and shoulders dandruff shampoo cause baldness?

Dr. Craig Conover (30:56)

I don't know about cause. Yeah.

Ben (30:58)

No, I haven't heard with repeat use. We don't know. We're not often.

Dr. Craig Conover (31:02)

What's repeat. Are you like multiple times a day or what?

Ben (31:04)

Let's. Let's say that we used it twice a day for six months, thinking that we were hacking the system. Dr. Conover, that. How can I possibly get dandruff if I'm using dandruff shampoo? And why wouldn't I just have dandruff shampoo all the time? Right? It makes sense logically. Unless, of course, the dandruff shampoo is actually causing baldness when you use it at that regularity.

Dr. Craig Conover (31:28)

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, if you're going to be, you know, I'm going to take your word that that happened to you. So then I'm going to say the head and shoulders twice a day for six months contributed to your baldness.

Ben (31:37)

Excellent. You mentioned before peptides for cognition, though, and Josh and I are always trying to get our brains right. Okay. Brain mouth. We podcast for a living. It's very important that our brains are working. What is the best peptide for cognition and what do you recommend?

Dr. Craig Conover (31:57)

I mean, there's different peptides, but actually, to sidestep that question, the best compound, I think, is methylene blue, which you may have read about, heard about, which interesting history, was the first prescribed medicine in the United States in the late 1800s.

Ben (32:12)

Wow.

Dr. Craig Conover (32:12)

It's this blue dye, and it works at the level of the mitochondria, similar to nad, although they work at a different hub. But I found, you know, personally and professionally, most people who take methylene blue, you can take it orally, you can take it as a capsule sublingually, you get a nice cognitive burst. So great for pre workout before a podcast, great for studying whatever people really like. Methylene blue, very safe as well.

Ben (32:35)

So this isn't something, though, that you take every day. This is something that you don't need to. You don't need to.

Dr. Craig Conover (32:40)

Well, I think it. Because it, it lasts in your system. So what I tell my patients, for most of them, when it's appropriate, you know, a lot of times, three times a week is enough.

Ben (32:49)

Wow. Josh, we should try. Have you heard of methylene blue, Josh? Have you tried it?

Josh (32:53)

I've done. I've taken the methylene blue. I'm also a big NAD fan, which I've taken in injection from Dr. Conover or I've also done the patches from ion layer, which are great.

Ben (33:04)

Yeah, I do.

Josh (33:06)

And sort of the, the consequence or one of the side effects of nad, especially when you get it through IV is you get stomach discomfort. And it's true for me it's, it's interesting, right, because it's not nausea and it's. It feels like gas pain to me. Like.

Ben (33:21)

Oh.

Josh (33:22)

Like where it's just kind of. Yeah, I got a tummy ache, you know, I get. And so sometimes it just. I'm like, I'm over this. But when I want to tough it out, I find it's. It's pretty unbelievable.

Dr. Craig Conover (33:35)

Yeah. And I think that's a good statement. I think it's across the board. People get like butterflies. Feels like their stomach's flipping upside down a bit. Everyone gets that with nad. We're not exactly why, sure why that happens. But nad, like methylene blue, both work at the level of mitochondria to increase cellular energy. And seen, you know, both. I think methylene blue, more so than nad, helps cognitively, but both are working on positive metrics for the nervous system, for sure.

Ben (34:02)

And does creatine help with cognition?

Dr. Craig Conover (34:04)

I mean, some people, I mean, I think the thing with creatine for people to know is it's best dissolved in hot liquids or hot water. So, you know, I put some coffee in the morning, it's tasteless. You could mix it in tea, but then it's going to be a, you know, absorbed in the liquid. Better get into your system easier. Some people will say it's great for jet lag. Some people will say, hey, it's great for them thinking clearly. I can't really tell the difference. I don't know.

Ben (34:31)

I was hot on it for like a couple of weeks that I, I loved. Not you, but my brain. And I loved it for my brain. And then, you know, I started to think maybe my brain's fine with that. If whenever I go off all of my supplements and I go down to nothing, I feel better.

Dr. Craig Conover (34:46)

So there you go.

Ben (34:49)

So, all right, methylene blue, Josh, we're, we're adding methylene blue. I'm going to try that. What else, what else do I. What else should I try?

Josh (34:55)

Well, this was. I, I would Love to hear Dr. Conover, what you think, because this was a bit of contention between Ben and I, but he's done amazing and dropped all this weight and looks incredible. Was, you know, when he was really into the supplements. Like, I, I think a lot about when Gary Breca came into Dana White's life, the, you know, the CEO of ufc, and he really felt like this guy had changed his life health wise. And basically he said the core components were he made him go keto. He started to really work out regularly. He dreamt about, he dropped a bunch of weight. And then the other part was red light therapy, hydrogenized water, all these things that were like, crazy expensive and different. My thought is, and what I want to say to everyone is if you get on a great diet and you work out every day, that's 95%, maybe you don't have to spend the hundred grand on the red light bed. Right? Like, isn't it?

Dr. Craig Conover (35:50)

I agree.

Josh (35:51)

Okay. Of course.

Dr. Craig Conover (35:53)

I totally agree. And I think even if you then get even more specific for a modified keto diet, you know, because most people, you know, just simply won't eat too much food.

Josh (36:03)

Right.

Dr. Craig Conover (36:03)

If people can learn to put the fork down, that gets us most of the way. There's but two. If we then get specific about what we're eating, it's probably eating too much carbs and simple carbs and sugar. So if you go to a keto diet where you're burning fats and not sugar, most people seem to have an easier time losing weight, having more energy. It seems like good fuel for the brain, the nervous system. I think that alone gets you most of the way there. And then figuring out how to move, they say the best workout's the one you do consistently. Right? Same thing with diet. I agree with you. I think that the, the interesting part, though, is most people aren't able to do that. Right? Like, they can't complicated, but they just you can't.

Ben (36:40)

You can't.

Dr. Craig Conover (36:41)

No, but they just don't.

Ben (36:42)

I. I did the keto diet. I coined keto season. It was a big part of my life. Maybe Josh. What, four months I was on keto. I gave myself mercury poisoning. So that was, like, a sad ending to it because I was eating so much raw fish. But look, eat. It was amazing. It's not sustainable. At least for me. It wasn't sustainable. It was like any other crash diet where it works. You lose weight because you're eating less calories, and there's just so much raw salmon one could eat. So I probably ended up consuming less calories. It wasn't sustainable. But you brought up, I think that the magic idea, which is, can you get in the gym and can you find something? Can you do it? And the answer for me is not really. Like, sometimes I get in these grooves where I'll go for six months or I'll have a trainer and I'll do it. But can we make. Is there something that we can take the same way that I've made it so that I'm not hungry anymore by having a GLP one? Is there a peptide that could make your brain want to go to the gym? Is that plausible?

Dr. Craig Conover (37:48)

It may not be a peptide. I mean, now we're getting into the arena of testosterone and tapping into dopamine, and that's a real thing where people lose motivation to want to be fit or want to move. You know, for people, particularly men who are low in testosterone, and then you put them on testosterone replacement therapy. That's a common denominator, is, like, now I want to work out again. Now I'm interested in taking care of myself in ways that they weren't.

Ben (38:13)

Yeah. Because for me, it was always just like, can you fit into the clothes? That might sound vain, but, like, now I fit into the clothes and, like, I don't. I'm a big guy. I'm six two. I don't need to be Muscles McGee. But some I'd like a little more. But the consistency is just not there for me. It's not.

Dr. Craig Conover (38:31)

Well, maybe, though, think about it in terms, just to throw this your way. Are you able to do everything you want to do? Right? Like, if you had to, like, carry luggage, can you do it easily? Can you take the luggage and put it above your head? Can you lift heavy things? Can you run fast?

Ben (38:46)

I cannot lift the luggage above my head. I can't. But I don't know when I. Yeah.

Dr. Craig Conover (38:51)

So looking at, like, everyday life and as you Plan out your day, your week, your month. That's another way to look at physical fitness. You know, this guy work out with doing kettlebell sweats. We talk about just being ready as opposed to being fit. What about just being ready just a different way? Yeah, that's fair.

Ben (39:07)

Because anybody who's been morbidly obese has tree trunk legs. Like, I can, I can deadlift and I don't, I don't go to the gym, but I, I can deadlift a nice number when I go to the gym because my legs are so big, but it's my upper body that I, I, I can't even do a push up. Yeah.

Josh (39:23)

If they want to have a peptide that motivates you to go to the gym, they should create a peptide with Chuck Norris's voice, you know, and it just, it's in your brain, it just goes, you can do it, buddy. Now this is the word on the streets. Shout out our dear friend of the podcast kid, David. Hot off the presses right now. Not that I have any interest. They're saying that taking a quarter or a micro dose of Viagra every day for men can be a heart healthy option because it helps with blood pressure. Any thoughts?

Dr. Craig Conover (39:51)

I think, I think it's probably more of Cialis or Tadalafil versus Viagra. You know, Viagra is like generation one. Tadalphil is a little bit further down and you will get a vasodil dilating effect from Viagra. It's a little bit stronger than like Tadalafil. Cialis. Cialis also seems to have some unique properties for men. Helps to keep the prostate in check so your prostate doesn't get too enlarged and that's a consequence of getting older. And two, it's also a mitochondrial enhancer. Mitochondria, just like NAD and methylene blue are working on the battery of the cell. So I do agree. I mean, we have a lot of male patients who take a small dose of tadalafil every, you know, whether it's daily or a couple times a week. I totally agree with that.

Josh (40:35)

Can you say that again? And I'm going to send this to my wife.

Ben (40:38)

No, I'm kidding, Josh. Should I ask, speaking of erection, should I ask Dr. Conover about the side effects of Mucin XD and why I'm amongst the 0.01%?

Josh (40:49)

You can.

Ben (40:51)

I took Mucine XD, I had a very bad cold and I woke up in the middle of the night with a three hour erection.

Dr. Craig Conover (40:55)

Oh, was it the, was the d, the Sudafed component.

Ben (41:00)

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Craig Conover (41:01)

Constrictor. Yeah, yeah.

Ben (41:03)

What, what is, what's up with that? Why is that? Why does that happen? And, and what does it mean if you're Amongst the, the, the 1% or the.01% that have these reactions like in. Is that consistent? Yeah, I'm special. Definitely special, that's for sure.

Dr. Craig Conover (41:20)

No, I mean, so if you take anything systemically, it's going to affect everything. Right. So if you take Sudafed, which is a vasoconstrictor, you're taking it, or people are taking it to constrict the, you know, nasal passages so you're not as congested. Well, it's also going to work on other blood vessels in your body. That makes sense, right?

Ben (41:37)

Yes, it does.

Dr. Craig Conover (41:38)

And you're special, so.

Ben (41:40)

And I'm special.

Dr. Craig Conover (41:41)

Don't we know it does come together.

Josh (41:44)

So, last question. What are you bullish on and what are you bearish on in the current health landscape? What are you excited about over the next year or two and what do you like? I think we've done that enough. It hasn't quite lived up to the hype.

Dr. Craig Conover (41:56)

That's a really good question. I think I'm excited about figuring out how to use exosomes. Exosomes similar to stem cells, but they're non cellular, so they're non DNA cells. They're like advanced peptides. And figuring out how to use that best with clients and patients, whether that's, I mean, there's a variety of ways people can use it, whether it's intravenously or injecting and making sure we're staying compliant, doing it the right way. But I think from a academic perspective, that's really interesting in terms of things. I don't think there's any one thing that kind of grows out of style. I think it's just kind of meeting the patient where they are and understanding what they need. Some people, they need a push and motivation just to eat better. Some people need to figure out how to work out more consistently. And then some people are more advanced and they're training for a movie and they need to be dialed in completely or they're a professional athlete, you know what I mean? And they need tons of strength or endurance and we're just trying to figure out that for them. So. Yeah, yeah.

Josh (42:56)

Listen, Ben, when I tell you, and I remember this distinctly, I was on sort of this muscle gaining fat loss peptide mix. Tessamorelin, Ipamorelin. This was in 2020. That and BPC 157 at the time when you could prescribe it. This was back in 2020 that I got it from Dr. Conover. I remember my gym buddies, they were like, what are you doing? I was like, you couldn't handle it, brother.

Ben (43:21)

They say that to me too when I go to the gym. What are you doing when you're on

Josh (43:25)

the bands, Dr. Conover? Where can people find you? What would you like them to go to? Paul, Plug away, please.

Dr. Craig Conover (43:35)

No, I appreciate it. I mean, it's very straightforward. Our website's, you know, Conover Wellness. So K O N I v e r wellness.com Same thing on Instagram. You know, we just enjoy kind of helping people from all different walks of life figure things out, optimize again. We've been doing it a long time, so we've got a lot of experience doing this. No, but I love talking about these things. I really appreciate you. How you guys having me on, it's

Ben (43:59)

going to be the worst thing he ever agreed to do. But Josh, connect me and Dr. Just in case. Methylene blue, maybe a little tea. You never know. You never know.

Dr. Craig Conover (44:09)

You never know what you need something.

Ben (44:11)

Something's wrong, Something's wrong.

Dr. Craig Conover (44:13)

I like working with special people.

Ben (44:15)

Well, that's me. That's me.

Josh (44:17)

And I think it's just really. Sorry, last, last question, but a lot of people are buying peptides off the Internet. And to your point, Dr. Conover, you say we don't use research grade. Obviously you're an md. You're able to work with certified compounding pharmacies. Talk about the importance of that, because I think people can really risk hurting themselves.

Dr. Craig Conover (44:37)

Yeah, I mean, I think most people don't know. And so it's confusing for the public because, you know that we are limited as providers and physicians what we can prescribe, and that's based on what the compounding pharmacies can use to compound into. And that list has shrunk. Do the FDA oversight, which happens with things like this, is the job of the fda. But there's a lot of providers and physicians who are getting these peptides from research labs where the vials will say not for human use. And that's like a loophole where they're not regulated. And because they're not regulated, we don't know what's in. I'm not going to say it's all bad. I'm not going to say it's all dangerous. But this is the gray market. It's kind of the wild, wild west where, you know, both people are selling things they don't know what's in it, and then people are buying things, but as an individual, they can go on their own accord to these different websites, purchase it. There's going to be no recommendations on dosing, how to mix it or anything, but there's a lot of information on the Internet that people can find. But I always advocate working with the provider who's experienced, who can help guide you, and then who is only working with compounding pharmacies to make sure the quality is the very best. I think what's confusing for a lot of people is they think that these compounding pharmacies are, like, working out of a garage or, you know, side alley. And that's just not true. They are all regulated. They're all inspected by the board of pharmacies in every state, by the fda. High, high, high regulation, and they're done very well.

Josh (46:06)

So love it.

Ben (46:07)

Yeah.

Josh (46:08)

Thank you.

Ben (46:09)

Love it. Thank you so much.

Josh (46:10)

So much, Dr. Conover.

Dr. Craig Conover (46:11)

Of course. No, thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it very much. Love talking about this stuff.

Ben (46:17)

Oh, my God, What a guy. Are you kidding me? Dr. Conover and Josh. Okay, look, okay, I know I say a couple of outlandish things sometimes on this podcast, but I. Okay. Josh got two checks, Two checks from Dr. Conover. One on the dandruff shampoo. Even though I think he was just agreeing with me, he was using me as his case study, not his lady. I still think he gave it to me. He gave it to me. Okay. Head and shoulders causes dandruff. Boom. Zyrtec causes brain fog. Boom. That's it.

Josh (46:53)

That's a wrap.

Ben (46:55)

And we're going to take methylene blue. And I might be taking testosterone, so if you see hair starting to grow on my forehead, you know who to blame.

Josh (47:04)

I'm excited for you that you are now going to have Craig conover in your DMs or in your texts.

Ben (47:11)

I can't thank you enough. This is a wonderful connection that you have made. It's absolutely fantastic. This is why Josh looks so good.

Josh (47:18)

Thank you.

Ben (47:19)

He's been whole. Hey, look, he mentions it from time to time. He's like, yeah, Dr. Conover this, Dr. Conover that. But I didn't realize they go deep. They go really deep. And so, look, if he's made you the man that you are today, I'm excited to see what he can do for me. And maybe I can do something for him. What can I do for him?

Josh (47:37)

Maybe he likes an aperol spritz in a can.

Ben (47:40)

Yeah, that's. I. I Think that's. I'm just gonna make him a booze hound. I'm gonna send him all my stuff. We'll see what he likes. Yeah, I'm sure he'll love Spritz Society. Maybe he'll put some in the office.

Josh (47:50)

Yeah, maybe you can get some of those. I don't know if he does this, but you can get some of those Special K nose sprays. Academy nose sprays, man. You could start self dosing. I'm just kidding. He doesn't do that. I told you.

Ben (48:05)

I've told you the story about the one time that I did ketamine, right?

Josh (48:08)

No.

Ben (48:13)

Okay. I. I didn't even mean to. I. I've definitely told you this story

Josh (48:16)

in the bathroom, and you wound up in the bath. Okay.

Ben (48:19)

Yes. Yes.

Elizabeth Endres (48:20)

Okay.

Ben (48:20)

But I'll retell that story.

Josh (48:21)

Yeah, do it.

Ben (48:22)

Just in case. Just. Just in case. We have new listeners that haven't heard it, but this is probably, I don't know, at least 10 years ago, and I'm at a table with one friend, four people that I don't know, and this guy pulls out. It looks like a pack of gum. Josh. Okay. You know when you just, like, push it out and you can pop out the pieces? There's, like, the aluminum foil, and he pops out a piece and he puts it in his mouth, and I'm like, what's that? He's like, it's ketamine. I get prescribed it for my back. I love it. It's amazing. It just. It makes me feel good. It's a really low dose. I barely feel it. Like, really? He's like, yeah, you should try it. Like, you. You want to try it? It's no big deal at all. Like, I don't even feel it. I'm like, sure. Like, if it was prescribed to you by a doctor and it's sitting in a beautiful package, I'm gonna trust it. I took it. I went to the bathroom. I came back an hour and a half later. I must have fallen asleep on the toilet. Everybody was gone. Whoa. Everybody was gone. Gone. I don't remember anything. I remember nothing. And in retrospect, of course he didn't feel it. He's a fucking drug addict. The guy is just, like, casually at a meal, just popping ketamine because his back hurts. Go get an injection or have an Advil. What are you, nuts?

Josh (49:41)

Heavy.

Ben (49:41)

So, yeah, that's heavy. That's the one time I accidentally did ketamine. It wasn't accidental. That's the one time I did ketamine. But I didn't realize. Josh. Okay, I thought this was no big deal. Let me tell you folks from experience, big deal.

Josh (49:55)

He said Special K. I said, I've got my bowling spoon, you know.

Ben (49:59)

Such a good cereal. By the way, those dehydrated strawberries, delish.

Josh (50:03)

My kids love them.

Ben (50:05)

They're delicious. They're delicious. Are they covered in sugar?

Josh (50:08)

No, I, I'm a big cereal guy. I know some people are anti cereal, but I'm down to clown with cereal. Love it.

Ben (50:14)

I love cereal too. The strawberries though, those delicious strawberries. You just think they're regular dehydrated strawberries.

Josh (50:20)

I think they might, you know, add a little razzle dazzle to the flakes. I think those aren't, they're not straight flakes. I think you're getting a little, maybe a little sugar in there. But overall a delish cereal and pretty

Ben (50:31)

calorie conscious cereal is so good. Delicious.

Josh (50:35)

You won't find me being anti cereal.

Ben (50:37)

I used to get Reese's puffs back in the heyday. Back in my heyday, I would get huge bowl like one where you're marinating like four rib steaks and I would fill it with Reese's puffs and probably an entire container of milk. And I would just go to town. Josh, on a Saturday morning watching Hannah Montana. Oh my God, the dream.

Josh (51:02)

Okay, cut to your parents in the kitchen. Your dad speaking to your mom.

Ben (51:08)

Ava.

Josh (51:08)

Ava. He took the metal mixing bowls and he filled it with cereal again. Ava, what you need to do. He's watching his gay shows and eating 2,000 calories. We need to do something.

Ben (51:19)

AA.

Josh (51:22)

He's too far gone.

Ben (51:23)

He's watching his case shows. Oh my God, that's funny. Should we get one of your nuts?

Josh (51:36)

Yeah, let's do it. Our one of you nuts moment of the week are our gripes with people, places and things both big and tall, whatever sticking in your craw. Let me go find mine. I like to write them down during the week.

Ben (51:48)

I'll go first.

Josh (51:49)

Josh.

Ben (51:49)

Look, we got to keep it in theme with Dr. Conover. My what do you nuts is the fact that I see something on TikTok from somebody that's unverified talking about some random supplement and I think it's going to solve all my problems. It's not. Okay? It's absolutely not. We have some wonderful sponsors that sell some wonderful researched supplements. For example, a momentous. Okay, I feel great going on momentous website and shopping. But if you hear about something which they're all over TikTok I know. I bought saffron from some, some guru. I never even took it. What are you nuts? Like, what am I nuts? It's too much, Josh. It's just. It's too much. I'm going to talk to Dr. Conover. I'm going to get right. That's it. Okay, what am I nuts?

Josh (52:39)

My woody nuts is. You know, parents really create problems for themselves. You grew up going to school in New York like I did, but I also lived in Florida and California, so a lot of schools have these things called bungalows. Parents hate bungalows. And it means that if they can't add on to the school because naturally 10, 20, 30 years later, there's just been a big population increase. So they need more teachers, more schoolrooms. So they build these big bungalows in open space either. Sometimes they're in the parking lot, sometimes they're in the schoolyard, whatever. These things are beautiful. I was just looking at the ones at my kids school the other day. They're air conditioned.

Ben (53:19)

They're.

Josh (53:20)

They got electricity. These are rooms, they're just standalone. They're not in sheds. Don't be so anti bungalow parents. What are you nuts? You should hear the threads of these parents. They're. They're learning in a bungalow. Can you. Bungalows are sick. We're pro bungalow here.

Ben (53:38)

As long as there's ac. Who gives a rat's ass, okay? Who cares? I'm with you. I'm pro bungalow. Build me a bungalow.

Josh (53:47)

I'm pro bung holio. Which is Beavis and Butthead.

Ben (53:50)

Sure.

Josh (53:51)

Do you remember that?

Ben (53:52)

Pro bungo.

Josh (53:53)

Do you remember?

Ben (53:54)

I never got into. I never. I never got into Beavis and Butthead.

Josh (53:58)

It was I am bungholio. I need TV for my bunghole. It was so good. Shout out Mike Judge. Genius.

Ben (54:10)

Oh my God, Josh, this episode is five stars, okay? Otherwise, what are you nuts? Stop listening to the show. If you didn't think this episode was five stars, you should stop listening to the show. That said, if you enjoyed it, which I'm sure you did, rate us 5 stars because once a week, Twice a week, Twice a week, Mondays and Thursdays, we're going to be reading a beautiful review. But only 5 star reviews. No fours, no threes, no twos, no ones. Just five stars. Okay, Josh, we got a good five star review.

Josh (54:43)

We really have a great five star review. And it's from Jillum 1030. I never wanted to be Jewish so bad in my life. I've been a Christian obsessed with Yiddish words and Jewish traditions for a long time. And listening to Benny and Joshi on Mondays and Thursdays makes me love them even more. I've even started a list of Yiddish words that I didn't know thanks to you two. Hilarious, fun to listen to, and also you have me humming your theme song on this Monday morning at work. Excited for many more years of listening to you and many more morons to come. BHBH Jordan, not the river. Do you see?

Ben (55:21)

Josh, look. That's a beautiful review. Don't you feel better? I feel better. We need more positivity, folks. That's forgiven. Doses of positivity. Mondays and Thursdays, folks. We will see you next time.

Elizabeth Endres (55:42)

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