Ariana Grande

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Good Hang with Amy Poehler: Ariana Grande

The Ringer – November 18, 2025
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Episode Overview

This episode of Good Hang features Amy Poehler in conversation with pop superstar, actress, and noted funny person Ariana Grande. The discussion is lively, vulnerable, and delightfully candid, revolving around Ariana’s comedic background, her family, career trajectory, love of musicals, “Wicked 2”, collaborations with icons like Mariah Carey, and her approach to both art and life. Regular guest and friend Bowen Yang also joins for a segment, giving insight into his friendship with Ariana and posing questions only a true friend could ask.

Tone throughout is easy, playful, and open, full of laughter, genuine admiration, and lots of behind-the-scenes goodness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bowen Yang on Ariana & Their Friendship

[03:00–09:31]

• Bowen details how he met Ariana during Wicked rehearsals and the uncertainty around his participation due to SNL.
• Ariana intervened directly with Lorne Michaels to help Bowen secure time for the film:

  "They were like, okay, I think we're going to deploy Ms. Grande to pick up the phone and call up Lorne and try to convince him to let me do it." – Bowen Yang [06:21]

• Their friendship blossomed organically, bonding over movies and games without forcing it.
• Bowen’s assessment:

  "I think she's someone who is strength in softness. She is, like, you know, incredibly vulnerable. And that is why people adore her." – Bowen Yang [09:24]

• Bowen poses two questions for Ariana:
  • What does she see as the throughline of her career?
  • What’s her favorite note to sing?

2. Ariana’s Comedic Roots & SNL Stories

[12:31–18:35]

• Ariana credits her love for Christopher Guest's Best in Show and SNL as formative.
• Family bonding centered on comedy, especially Jim Carrey and Adam Sandler.
• First memory of making people laugh came from impersonating an old man for her grandparents.
• Deep connection between music and comedy ("Both made me feel safe and like I could relate").
• On working with her best friend Liz Gillies and the joy of playing stupid or vulnerable characters.
• SNL behind-the-scenes tales: fighting for sketches, specific bloopers, and the anxiety of index cards moving during show planning:

  "I would never. But we were in Lauren's office, and we were going over the run of show... I was like, Lauren, I'm so sorry. Please, can we at least try it at... address?" – Ariana Grande [23:24]

3. Career Trajectory, Authenticity, & Following Instincts

[25:48–28:33]

• In answering Bowen’s "throughline" question, Ariana shares:

  "I just am feeling a lot more connected to myself and my art since I started doing different things... following those authentic impulses... feels like a really good idea." [25:56]

• Describes moving away from solely pop into choosing roles and projects based on what feels right rather than outside demands.
• Acknowledges privilege and growth in being able to make more deliberate, varied creative choices.

4. Favorite Notes, Music Theory, and Musical Theater Upbringing

[29:06–31:16]

• Discusses her favorite notes to sing—landing humorously on G and C, but mostly taking delight in the music-theory ride:

  "I did learn a lot about music theory today. Thank you so much, Amy Poehler, for my..." – Ariana Grande [30:01]

• Reflections on performing in Annie and other formative musicals as a child, the impact of those stories on her and women in her generation.

5. More SNL & Sketch Comedy Insights

[31:32–41:11]

• Recounts a wild SNL moment involving a chimpanzee grabbing her wrist and how nerve-wracking live TV can be.
• Details developing the "Game Night" sketch based on her actual family dynamics—a competitive, hilarious Italian family.

  "Sometimes life has to inform art... there's no reason that this happened if we're not supposed to use it." – Ariana Grande on sketch writing [20:11]

• On her mom’s pride and being the inspiration for the sketch.

6. Musicals: From Broadway to ‘Wicked’

[34:26–40:17]

• Amy and Ariana agree on the power and ridiculousness of musicals—when done well, they’re transcendent; when not, awkward.
• Ariana’s training for Wicked was deeply rigorous: daily vocal and acting coaching to find Glinda’s very different voice.

  "I trained my voice for months... retrain that falsetto, operatic area... so that by the time we were in it... that wasn't a stress." – Ariana Grande [35:23]

7. Voice Work, Mimicry & Gender Fluidity in Performance

[40:17–43:38]

• Discussing Ariana’s affinity for impersonations (Eugene Levy, Judy Garland), and her interest in playing more male characters.
• Amy praises Ariana's fluid masculine/feminine energy and her support for such exploration in both her own work and others:

  "You have a very interesting masculine, feminine energy that you're always playing around with it." – Amy Poehler [42:26]

8. Collaborating with Icons & Navigating Fame

[44:03–46:07]

• Surreal moments singing with Mariah Carey, whom Ariana still considers a peer and idol.
• On Mariah:

  "The vocals and the sense of humor... her pen and her producing ear... are just what make her, her, you know?" – Ariana Grande [45:04]

• Touches on Lady Gaga, Celine, Whitney, and the ongoing inspiration of sharing space with legends.

9. Upcoming Projects & Set Life

[46:38–49:32]

• Ariana currently filming "Focker in Law" (a new entry in the Meet the Fockers series), co-starring Ben Stiller and Robert De Niro. Her character is, comically, a triathlete.
• Shares stories of extremely active co-stars and balancing her own preferences for exercise (walking and Pilates over running).

10. On-Camera Female Friendships and Fighting Comparison

[49:48–54:42]

• Amy commends Ariana and Cynthia Erivo’s radical, supportive approach to their “Wicked” press tour—subverting expectations of female rivalry.
• Ariana shares their conscious decision to create a safe, supportive environment through the enormous project.

  "I want you to know there's nothing that we can't talk about. You don't have to face something alone... I am on your side already." – Ariana Grande [51:35]

• They maintained honest check-ins throughout the process.

11. Personal Traditions, Rituals, & Family

[57:27–64:11]

• Light-hearted "lightning round" touches on Ariana’s height (she’s 5’2”), baths as self-care, and favorite Italian food (pasta with marinara, like her Nona made).
• A sweet, funny story about her late Nona’s reaction to Frankie coming out.

  “Frankie, have you seen a pair of breasts?... Didn’t do anything for you? Well, you’re gay.” – Ariana retelling a family moment [62:21]

• Highlights the instant love and acceptance in her family, which she wishes for all kids.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Authenticity:

  "Following those authentic impulses... feels like a really good idea." – Ariana Grande [25:56]

• On Comedy & Music:

  "The thing that I love about both... music and comedy... they’ve always made me feel so, like, safe." – Ariana Grande [15:15]

• On Building Female Friendship Amidst Public Scrutiny:

  "If you need help with something, I am on your side already. I don’t even know what it is yet, but we’ll get there together." – Ariana Grande [51:51]

• On Impersonating Her Mom for SNL:

  "Since the wig... is your hair, you do have to know I’m you." – Ariana Grande [20:24]

• On Singing with Mariah Carey:

  "Every time I cross paths with her... I have to pinch myself... she's a wonderful, kind person." – Ariana Grande [44:29]

• On Family Acceptance:

  "What, are we going to love him any less? We got dinner reservations at Positano, let’s go." – Ariana Grande quoting her grandpa [63:42]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:00] – Bowen Yang on meeting Ariana; friendship origins during Wicked
• [13:46] – Ariana’s love for Best in Show; comedy’s role in her childhood
• [17:32] – SNL blooper stories and behind-the-scenes dynamics
• [25:48] – Bowen’s core question: what’s the throughline of her career?
• [35:23] – Vocal training and preparation for Wicked
• [40:22] – On mimicry and playing male vs. female roles
• [44:03] – Performing with idols like Mariah Carey
• [49:48] – Supporting Cynthia Erivo & navigating the press as women in film
• [57:34] – Lightning round: baths, bugs, nostalgia, and Italian family stories

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Final Thoughts

This episode supplies fans and newcomers with a refreshing, deeply genuine portrait of Ariana Grande. Listeners hear not just about her mega-successes but about the vulnerabilities, work ethic, relationships, and humor that fuel her artistry. Amy’s warmth and mutual respect frame the conversation, while Bowen’s questions pull out truths only close friends can. Altogether, it’s a good hang in the truest sense—full of laughter, heart, and meaningful connection.

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Transcript

[Amy Poehler]

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[Ariana Grande]

Bowen, hi.

[Amy Poehler]

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[Ariana Grande]

Oh, hi.

[Bowen Yang]

I love this print and this bow.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, my God. Thank you. I really was trying to think about what to wear for Ariana, and I wanted to go a little high femme.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

And this won't come as a surprise, but I don't have a lot of that in my closet.

[Bowen Yang]

You are the high femme. You don't need adornments for that.

[Amy Poehler]

Wow. Thank you. She does bring out a feminine. A real, like, delicate feminine energy.

[Bowen Yang]

Daintiness.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes, a daintiness that's really nice to try to get into. Okay, we're going to talk to her today, and thank you for this time. But before we do, I just have to say once again, confess my love for not only you and all of the work that you do, but Lost culture, which congratulations on the award show that you created out of nowhere that I hope is very strong and lucrative IP for years to come. Congratulations on your podcast, which continues to delight, inform, and entertain me in all different ways all the time.

[Ariana Grande]

I love it.

[Bowen Yang]

The fact that. Thank you so much. I received that. The fact that I was watching my heroes, you and Kristen, name dropping us very casually in your discussion about Salt Lake City housewives. I leapt out of bed. I was supine in bed, maybe flirting with seasonal depression, and then y' all cured me right quick.

[Ariana Grande]

God.

[Amy Poehler]

Seasonal depression is a funny drag name for.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know anyone.

[Amy Poehler]

For me, Ladies and gentlemen, seasonal depression.

[Bowen Yang]

Coming to the stage.

[Amy Poehler]

By the way, before we get to the question, where are we right now? Are we in an office of yours?

[Bowen Yang]

We are in my home office. Um, and I feel like I'm a commentator on msnbc.

[Amy Poehler]

Well, I was going to say if we were on a Zoom right now, like a Zoom pitch or something, I would pin your photo, make it full screen right now, and I would look at everything. Do you not do that when you're on Zoom?

[Bowen Yang]

Listen this. If this were my podcast, I would go into an. I don't think so, honey. About blurring your background on Zoom. I get why people do it.

[Amy Poehler]

I don't like it. I think a blurred background is usually hiding a bed.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Unmade.

[Amy Poehler]

An unmade bed. And I remember those days of COVID where heads of giant film studios were talking in front of their unmade bed on Zoom.

[Bowen Yang]

Have some respect. Not for you, for me.

[Amy Poehler]

You have some respect for me.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't want to see that. I don't want to see a crumpled Duvet.

[Ariana Grande]

No.

[Amy Poehler]

Get in front of a blank wall, babe. Anything but a bed in the background. You're a grown man.

[Bowen Yang]

You're a grown. And somehow you're under lit. Like, fix it.

[Amy Poehler]

But I just. So congrats on your background. It's beautiful. I love it.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you.

[Amy Poehler]

So we're talking to Ariana Grande today. And, you know, I have been very heartened and not surprised by the relationship that you two have, like, talent, Talent loves talent. And the both of you feel like you have just become very genuine and warm friends. Is that the case?

[Bowen Yang]

It is absolutely miraculously the case.

[Amy Poehler]

When did you guys first meet?

[Bowen Yang]

We first met in rehearsals for Wicked. And this was after the saga of me maybe not being able to do the movie because of the SNL schedule. And it has always been. Was always in that time, like my top priority, our wonderful benefactor, friend, boss Lorne Michaels was like, you can't miss shows. Like, if you're going to fly back and forth to London, like, I just don't think it's going to work. And then on the Wicked end, they were trying to figure out how to make it happen. And they were like, okay, I think we're going to deploy Ms. Grande to pick up the phone and call up Lauren and try to convince him to let me do it. And I think that was the beginning of, like, sealing the deal of finalizing it. Right. It's like she, like just that imagining that conversation, like to be a, to be a wiretap fly on the wall for that phone conversation is, is really thrilling to me. Just like hearing the two of them talk to each other. I mean, they have a great relationship too, because she's been at the show she hosted the first time. I thought that was a Gangbusters episode, my time there. And so she really, like, she already, like, went to bat for me before I even met her.

[Amy Poehler]

And Lauren was like, ariana, Ariana, I get it.

[Bowen Yang]

Ariana, I get it.

[Amy Poehler]

I get it. It's that thing where you're trying to balance and.

[Bowen Yang]

Friendship and your dreams.

[Amy Poehler]

Are you going to Wimbledon?

[Bowen Yang]

Are you going to Wimbledon? You know, I was at Tom Stoppard's birthday.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

He's, he's, he's written some of the best plays ever. And I think, you know, Wicked is. I think Wicked's a play. Wicked is Wicked.

[Amy Poehler]

Would you say it's a play? But, you know, shout out to Lorne, he did not need to give you that time off, babe. He didn't need to give you the time off. And she closed.

[Bowen Yang]

Didn't need to. And she closed the deal. And then thus began this, like, really organic thing. And I was very. This thing that I've learned from working at SNL is like, you never see step on the gas if you want to, like, make any sort of genuine connection with the host. You never want to force a friendship or camaraderie. And so I went into that experience being like, I'm going to be boundaries king, mutually, like, respecting other people's and honoring my own. And I was not, like, forcing this friendship necessarily, but she was just so warm and inviting, and somehow within, like, a couple weeks, we were, like, watching Mommy Dearest together and, like, playing Rummy Cube and, like, baking cakes. And it just happened in the most unforced way, I think. And that also speaks to the tone of the friendship and sort of her personhood in herself. Like, she's just a very. I don't know. I think she's someone who is strength in softness. She is, like, you know, incredibly vulnerable. And that is why people adore her.

[Amy Poehler]

So what question do you have? A question that you think nobody ever asks Ariana or would be an interesting question for her to speak about or, you know, something that would be fun for us to talk about?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I mean, like, what does she think the through line of her work is? Like? I think she has had such a varied career, right? Like, start off Nickelodeon, or I'm sorry, you start off Broadway, you go to Nickelodeon, you go pop star, you go actor. And, like, there's like, fashion iconography on top of that, like, throughout. It's like, I want to see what the unifying theory is from her. She will kind of, like, squirm at that question. Because anytime I, like, want to, like, talk to her about, like, what her favorite album is, she's like, don't do that. Like, it's great. It's great. It's like, true front. She's like, I don't want. You're not like, Entertainment Tonight. Like, what are you doing? I'm curious to see how she would answer that. Through you. Through me. And also, the second question is silly, dumb question. What's the best note to sing? Ooh, what's the best note to sing?

[Amy Poehler]

That's such a good. It's so good. Because, I mean, I'm sure you are the same. I mean, I. I just love music and watching when the way singers sing. I feel that way about when dancers dance. Like, it's just like. It's just like, wow, how did you do that? I just can't. It Just feels like magic. And there's so many notes that she can sing, right?

[Bowen Yang]

She must have one that she must have.

[Amy Poehler]

Like, let's do. Let's do a B. Let's do an A. Let's do. Let's keep it in G. Keep it.

[Bowen Yang]

In G. Let's do G. G5, or whatever the octave is. It's like. It's like the letter and the number because it's the octave on the piano or whatever. Like, I don't. You know, I'm not a music theorist, but she. I'm sure she has a thought around that.

[Amy Poehler]

That's such a good question. It's like we've done B minor too many times. That old hacky note.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, that old chestnut. Ugh. Get that away. Get B minor away. I need to do major.

[Amy Poehler]

Well, I cannot wait to see you soon. Thank you so much for doing this. I know she will be thrilled that you did Bowen. I just adore you.

[Bowen Yang]

I love you so much. I'll see you very soon.

[Amy Poehler]

Same, same, same, same. Thank you so much for your time.

[Bowen Yang]

Bye, guys. Bye.

[Amy Poehler]

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[Ariana Grande]

I don't even know how to talk anymore. That was not.

[Amy Poehler]

It's okay. Did you just use an English accent?

[Ariana Grande]

No.

[Amy Poehler]

Do you? I feel like you're a sponge, though. I feel like you pick up on the way other people talk.

[Ariana Grande]

I think I. I've always loved to do voices. Like when I was a little girl, I loved to impersonate and do characters and voices and accents, and you're so good at them.

[Amy Poehler]

And that's kind of what I wanted to start with today. First of all, it's nice to meet you.

[Ariana Grande]

It's nice to meet you, too. I love you so much.

[Amy Poehler]

I love you, too. I feel like I know you as most people do, but I. I'm thrilled to meet you in person.

[Ariana Grande]

Me too.

[Amy Poehler]

And I was thinking about how to start today. And I was thinking, yes, we'll talk, of course, about the huge success of Wicked, and we'll talk about your music and we'll Talk about your life and all that, but I wanted to talk about you as a funny person, as a comedian, as a deeply, genuinely funny person. You're very funny. Thank you.

[Ariana Grande]

Coming from you, I'm, I am, yeah, I'm shitting. Like I've been saying since I walked in, but that's really how I feel. I, like, I can't. I adore you and I, yeah, I look up to you so much. I love snl. I'm.

[Amy Poehler]

You're student of funny. Like, I, well, what is your relationship to comedy? Like, when, when you were growing up, what were you watching? What did you like?

[Ariana Grande]

My favorite movie was Best in Show. Yeah. From a really young age, I, which is so strange, you know, to be a child and to really love that. I, I, I don't know, I was really young.

[Amy Poehler]

Did you love that style of, you know, that like, mockumentary style?

[Ariana Grande]

I did, I, I did. I loved, like, dry humor and it made me feel so close to my family, like, laughter. My bonded over our favorite movies and.

[Amy Poehler]

What kind of, what's your dad's sense of humor?

[Ariana Grande]

We love Jim Carrey. We love, you know, all the Adam Sandler movies and, you know, that kind of thing. The Christopher Guest, of course, and snl. And that was just sort of how we bonded was through comedy.

[Amy Poehler]

Do you remember getting your first laugh? Do you remember, like, being in.

[Ariana Grande]

Getting my first laugh. Yeah, I actually.

[Amy Poehler]

Wow.

[Ariana Grande]

I've never thought about this in my life, but I was really little. I don't know how old I was, but I was doing stand up. I forget the name of my Persona that I had created, but I was doing stand up as a guy, as like an old, as like this guy, this old guy from my grandparents. And I got a laugh from them. And I just remember it felt so special. I don't know.

[Amy Poehler]

You were in their house doing it.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. And I, and I don't remember the name of the character, but it was full out. I was like, I had disappeared into this man.

[Amy Poehler]

I'm always interested in the character connection between musicians and comedians because I think they have some kind of love for each other. And I don't exactly know what it.

[Ariana Grande]

Is, I think so I think for me personally, the thing that I love about both so much music and comedy is that they've always made me feel so, like, safe and like I can relate to the person, you know? Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

And you learn a lot about somebody by what they laugh at.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes, you do. Yeah. And when you find someone who has the same sort of like ticklish spots as you. That's just the best thing. You know, when you work with someone and you find someone that tickles you the same way. My best friend, Liz Gillies. We look up to you and Tina so much because we are like, oh, my God, we should do things like that someday.

[Amy Poehler]

You guys are so funny together. Oh, my God. What I love about what I've seen of your relationship is, again, that kind of feeling of play. Like you know each other and you kind of rely. You're like being stupid, basically.

[Ariana Grande]

We love to be stupid. Yeah. What a gift it is to be able to play and be stupid sometimes.

[Amy Poehler]

I know. And I mean, I feel that when you do SNL is that you're not afraid to be stupid and you kind of like it.

[Ariana Grande]

It's the best.

[Amy Poehler]

It's the best.

[Ariana Grande]

And it's so vulnerable, but you can't be afraid. It's like. It's just the most thrilling thing. You really have to be down.

[Amy Poehler]

You do. You can't go in halfway.

[Ariana Grande]

No.

[Amy Poehler]

And it is. Whether it's you impersonating someone or you're doing some stupid idea, it's. I'm sure you feel this way, too. I bet it's similar to singing, which is you have to kind of push through to the other side and make sure you're committing to whatever you're doing.

[Ariana Grande]

Have to see it through. It doesn't matter.

[Amy Poehler]

And if you're on the. And if you're locked eyes with someone and the scene is. Cause you've done SNL a few times.

[Ariana Grande]

And their bald cap is sliding, and you're like, what the hell are we doing?

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. Or you're like, this scene's never gonna see the light of day. Like, this is not making the show.

[Ariana Grande]

We have to be safe with each other.

[Amy Poehler]

Totally. It really is. Where, like, love, love blooms.

[Ariana Grande]

It really is. It really is.

[Bowen Yang]

It's true.

[Amy Poehler]

It's true. Because if you. If you hang in there with each other, then you're kind of friends for life.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, it's true. Yeah, we've. We've kind of had some really extraordinary circumstances with slime and bald caps and things.

[Amy Poehler]

Did you ever have any things on SNL where. Where, you know, it's always fun, like the bloopers of that show, like, where things go wrong or you don't make your change or anything, like a stress dream come true. Did anything ever happen there when you were there?

[Ariana Grande]

First of all, I am dying for your stories. Can I return the question after I answer?

[Amy Poehler]

Absolutely.

[Ariana Grande]

Please. I have so many for you. Can we do another episode where I'm just asking all the questions. Please, let's switch seats. But no, I. Thankfully, other than breaking a couple of times, there was this sketch that did an air that we did with Taran Killam, and he was. He had this big, 70s hair, and he played this, like, weird musician person, and he wrote this song that was so long and so strange. And I don't think. I don't think, like, Lauren loved it at the end of the day.

[Amy Poehler]

Sure.

[Ariana Grande]

And the audience was like, I loved it so much.

[Amy Poehler]

You were fighting for it.

[Ariana Grande]

I think the audience was on our side as well. But it was cut for time. And that was kind of heartbreaking because it was just so ticklish.

[Amy Poehler]

I bet he still thinks about that and appreciates it. Because there's nothing better than when the host fights for something of yours, even if it doesn't make it. It means something that they do.

[Ariana Grande]

I cherish it. My dad watches it every day. That's Sketchy. It's on YouTube, and he watches it every single day without. I'm not kidding. He starts his days with Smile. I think it's. I don't remember what it's called, but I think it's. The song was called Smile, and he.

[Amy Poehler]

Was like a 70. So it made the show.

[Ariana Grande]

Smile too big for her face. And everyone's like. But we were. We loved it. We loved it.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, my God. I mean, one of the people that became a friend to you is Bowen Yang.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

Such a talented, nice person.

[Ariana Grande]

The most brilliant, the kindest, most caring, so. So ridiculously otherworldly, smart, and just so funny. I love him so much.

[Amy Poehler]

Well, we do this thing on POD where we kind of ask people. We have guests who know our guests to come on, and we speak well behind their back, and they give me a question to ask. And so we talked to Boen today.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my God.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes. Bowen was your person. Yes. And Bowen had such amazing things to say about you. And just you. That sketch when you two were together as the. That was your idea, right. When you were basically playing some version of your mom.

[Ariana Grande]

I was. I was a version of my mom.

[Amy Poehler]

So for people that don't remember, it was kind of like a game. A version. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, sure.

[Ariana Grande]

She's very proud of that, too.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. It was a game night that went wrong, basically.

[Ariana Grande]

It sure was.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. And you came to Bowen with the idea, which he said was like being handed a gift.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. Because sometimes life has to inform art. And this was one of those moments. I was like, bowen, there's no Reason that this happened if we're not supposed to use it. And it was.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

So what is your mom like? Tell us. Tell us what your mom is like.

[Ariana Grande]

Like, that sketch. Just sometimes. Just sometimes. That's. That's a side of her. She's a beautiful, gorgeous soul. I love her so much. But she was very proud of that, too. I warned her 15 minutes before it started the show. No, the show started that night. She was in my dressing room. She's like, break a leg, honey. I was like, by the way, sorry, I have to tell you, because the wig arrived, and it's your hair. I thought it was gonna be, like, a blonde bob. I didn't know it was gonna be your hair. But since it is your hair, you do have to know I'm you. And she was like, oh, I can't wait. And she loved it.

[Amy Poehler]

She loved it.

[Ariana Grande]

And I heard her as I was running to my quick change, being like, that's about me.

[Amy Poehler]

That's about me.

[Ariana Grande]

She's being me.

[Amy Poehler]

She loved it.

[Ariana Grande]

She loved it. She loved it.

[Amy Poehler]

That was great.

[Ariana Grande]

But we were having a family game night, and my brother's husband's brother was a guest. We were playing games. And, you know, my. My. I don't have the. I didn't get this thing that my brother and my mom have where playing games is. Really. Is really, really competitive.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay. I don't. You just want to have fun.

[Ariana Grande]

I love to have fun. I want to be with everyone. I love them. I'm, like, really thankful for the time that we get to be together. I'm like, yay, let's play a game. That's not how they are.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah, it's really important.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. And they're really grateful, too. And it's good vibes until, you know, someone's losing. And then. Yeah, my mom just said, like, under her breath, like, tiny dick syndrome or.

[Amy Poehler]

Something, and I was like, whoa.

[Ariana Grande]

Mommy.

[Amy Poehler]

Excuse me, Mommy.

[Ariana Grande]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Amy Poehler]

Mommy. Your inside thought went outside.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, ma'. Am. I was like, mom, you didn't just say that. And they were all, like, giggling, but, like, nervously. And I was like, this is. She's joking. She's doing a bit. And she was like, no, that's what that is.

[Amy Poehler]

And I was, like, coming down the barrel so hard.

[Ariana Grande]

And I was like, excuse me, guys. Bowen. Hi. Something has just happened, and at some point in our lives, we have to use this.

[Amy Poehler]

You were so funny in it. I mean, you're so funny in so much stuff that you did. I mean, that you're. You're Singing off key in Domingo, which is hard to do. I meant, was it hard to do to sing off key?

[Ariana Grande]

It was fun. It was really fun. And I liked that it got worse every time I came back to the mic. It was like, as I started, really subtly. Yeah, but, but no, but with Game Night, I, I, I had to fight for that one. Like you said, sometimes it's the most gratifying when you fight for it and then finally people believe in it. I was so happy.

[Amy Poehler]

I feel like I get a sense from you that. And you've been working long enough now to know that. One of the things I think that's nice about getting older is, you know, what you're good at. Like, you're like, I think I can do this. Well. Like, that isn't always the case when we're figuring ourselves out, like, what we can actually deliver on. But I feel like that's what I mean about the confidence. I feel like, you know, what you can do well comedically.

[Ariana Grande]

That is so such a generous and nice thing to say.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, my God. I hope this is okay.

[Ariana Grande]

Sorry that I'm here. No, I'm good.

[Amy Poehler]

But, like, But I feel bad about you.

[Ariana Grande]

I know what tickles me, and I know that I, I know how it feels like with the players, like, to experience. And if it has that, like, carbonation, that ticklish thing, it's. Then there's a chance, you know? And I am not one to, you know, I would never. But we were in Lauren's office, and we were going over the run of show, and he kept moving Game night over. And I was like, lauren, I'm so sorry. Please, can we at least try it at. Can we please try it? Address, Please? I'm so sorry. Like, I promise I owe you forever. Can we just try it? Address.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Ariana Grande]

And he moved it back.

[Amy Poehler]

I mean, people don't know that. What's so cool and terrifying about the SNL system is it still uses just index cards.

[Ariana Grande]

I love the index cards.

[Amy Poehler]

And you have these index cards with your scenes, and then it's just very, like, high school play. You walk in and everyone looks up to see if their card made it into the show.

[Ariana Grande]

This is so special. It is.

[Amy Poehler]

It's really old school, and it is. I have a little bit of PTSD when I see index cards. When you just said moving the index card that I just had a moment of, like. Cause I remember many times where the index card was in a safe zone, and then you come in, you're like, where did it go?

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, no, wait, do you have ones that you want to share about?

[Amy Poehler]

Well, you know what's also fun about those index cards is there is always kind of a collection at the bottom. Cause the show often runs long and, you know, sometimes things have to get cut on the fly, as people know. There'll be, like, two index cards fighting for the bottom. Right. There'll be two scenes that are in the bottom. And you're like, see on the mat. Let's see which one makes it.

[Ariana Grande]

And you don't know until you don't know.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. It really does kind of build your, I think, your tolerance for rejection.

[Ariana Grande]

Right.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

Just kind of like you get used to thinking, okay, this isn't my last good idea. I have to try again next week. I think that's good.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. But I feel like, well, Bowen was so great talking about you because, you know, he's such a friend and also loves talking about how easy it is to talk to you. And then his two questions were really funny. One I don't really understand. One was kind of like, I'm scared. His two questions? No, they were. But one was like, what would Ariana say is the trajectory of her career? What is the unifying theme?

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, wow.

[Amy Poehler]

I know it's kind of might be hard to answer this early in the interview, but.

[Ariana Grande]

No, I feel it feels clear, actually.

[Amy Poehler]

She's ready to answer.

[Ariana Grande]

It feels as clear as incredible. Yeah. I don't know. I think I just am feeling a lot more connected to myself and my art since I started doing different things. I think, you know, I spent so much time only doing pop music, but I grew up as a girl who loved musical theater and comedy. So I think the thing that will be. Be, like, best for my soul and also for my art and for what I'm giving myself to is if I'm chasing things that sort of feel just very right in the moment, even if it's spontaneous, if it's something different, like, I am doing a movie right now because it's a role that I read the script and I love it and it's funny and I love the cast, and I'm so excited. And then I'm going to do a small stint of shows next year because that is, like, something that authentically sounded good to me.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

And then, you know, from there, there are other things that are different. And I think following those authentic impulses feel. It feels like a really good idea, like a. A good thing. I think.

[Amy Poehler]

I think it's a sense of, like, getting older and getting understanding, like, listening to Your own body. Like, figuring out. Yeah, figuring out. Asking yourself, what do you want first? Which isn't always the case. When we're doing a lot of work, we're sometimes doing things because we have to do them or we should do them. And then when you take even a second to say, what do I want to do? What feels right.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, yeah. That's something that is learned over time for me. When I, you know, sort of came into all of this and my pop career sort of took over my life in a way, I didn't have that at all, you know?

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

And I think that is. I feel very, like, privileged and grateful to have learned that. That there can be room for. For different creative endeavors. So that's been a really beautiful thing. I think it will change a lot. I think the first, the last, you know, 10 or 15 years will look very different to the ones that are coming up. And I don't want to say any definitive things. Like, I do know that I'm very excited to do this small tour, but I think it might not happen again for a long, long, long, long time.

[Amy Poehler]

Sure.

[Ariana Grande]

You know, so I'm gonna give it my all and it's gonna be beautiful. And I'm so grateful that I think that's why I'm doing it. Because I'm like, one last hurrah.

[Amy Poehler]

Perfect. Because for now, never say never.

[Ariana Grande]

No, no, no, I'm not.

[Amy Poehler]

And like, when you're able to step away from acting or music or writing, then you really appreciate it when you get to go back to it so.

[Ariana Grande]

Much more and, like, you are able to do better by that art form because you're appreciative and really able to feel present in it.

[Amy Poehler]

Well, this leads me to Bowen's next question. Which was what is your favorite note to sing?

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my God. My favorite note to sing.

[Amy Poehler]

I know. Okay, I'm gonna play you note. You tell me if you like it. Okay. Because we gotta get. I mean, I. I just got nervous when I just named the note G because I was like, that's a note, right?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, I know that G is. Is a note that I. That was the highest note of my ad lib that I sang in 13.

[Amy Poehler]

I think G is pretty high.

[Ariana Grande]

It was something that I sang in 13. I know that. That's a nice one. Can't tell you, but I love it.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay, let's do another one. What about.

[Ariana Grande]

Is this what I'm supposed to do?

[Amy Poehler]

Here we go. Here we go.

[Ariana Grande]

Here's a C. Oh, beautiful. A C have never sounded Better. Gorgeous.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay, so, Bowen. We don't know. We don't know the answer. We don't know.

[Ariana Grande]

But I did learn a lot about music theory today. Thank you so much, Amy Kohler, for my.

[Amy Poehler]

One of those notes reminds me of Annie, which I know you were in, which is one of my favorite musicals.

[Ariana Grande]

Tomorrow.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes. What is that note?

[Ariana Grande]

I don't know. We'll never know.

[Amy Poehler]

We'll never know.

[Ariana Grande]

I'll never know.

[Amy Poehler]

But I do know that's a hard one to hit.

[Ariana Grande]

I hear the relation. I hear the. I know why you thought of that.

[Amy Poehler]

One of my favorite songs in any musical is maybe and Annie. I love maybe. That is such a good song.

[Ariana Grande]

Sad one.

[Amy Poehler]

That's a sad one.

[Ariana Grande]

Now. That'll do it.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. That'll get you going.

[Ariana Grande]

That'll get you going.

[Amy Poehler]

And was that fun to be a little kid and Annie.

[Ariana Grande]

It was fun to be a little kid and Annie.

[Amy Poehler]

What a part.

[Ariana Grande]

What a big part. It was really a huge undertaking at that age.

[Amy Poehler]

It's true. I was talking to Rachel Dratch. We were talking about musicals that, like, shaped us. And for women my age, I'm in my 50s. Like, Annie was just. It was kind of like. It was just like. It was about us. Like, it was like a musical for us. It really was. It felt like the. It was not about us. We were not orphans thinking, wait, wait. But it was for us.

[Ariana Grande]

Annie was for you.

[Amy Poehler]

It was a young. It was a. She was the same age as us.

[Ariana Grande]

Right.

[Amy Poehler]

Like, that part was, you know, just to have a young girl be the lead of a Broadway show. And it's named after her. It's not called Daddy Warbucks and the Little Girl. It's called Annie.

[Ariana Grande]

It shouldn't be called that.

[Amy Poehler]

Shouldn't be called that.

[Ariana Grande]

I don't like that title. Wait, so what are your. What are your.

[Amy Poehler]

Well, it's funny with. Oh, my SNL or my musical.

[Ariana Grande]

Your snl.

[Amy Poehler]

Like Bloopers.

[Ariana Grande]

Blooper. What's one of your favorite blooper moments?

[Amy Poehler]

One thing that comes to mind is one time I was doing a sketch where I think Jason Bateman was the host, and there was a monkey in the sketch. Like a. I would say maybe a chimpanzee. Like a formidable animal actor. Yes, an animal actor.

[Ariana Grande]

How do you feel about.

[Amy Poehler]

I don't like them.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, not good.

[Amy Poehler]

I don't like them. And it's too stressful for me. And it was like a young chimpanzee. And I'm going like this because I just want to show how strong it was.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

And I walked past the chimpanzee and it reached out and grabbed me by the wrist.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, no.

[Amy Poehler]

And wouldn't let go. Oh, fuck. In the middle of a quick change, I think it was like the blonde hair or my vibe, and I started screaming.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, that's really traumatic.

[Amy Poehler]

And chimpanzees are very strong.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, I like, famously.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. So that was one where I was like. And I couldn't get it to let go of me and I had to. Yeah, it was all fine. It was all fine. But that wasn't. That was. Would that be considered a blooper?

[Ariana Grande]

I don't. I don't know. I think that's like ptsd.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah, that's ptsd.

[Ariana Grande]

That's like a different colder. But I love it.

[Amy Poehler]

I'm glad.

[Ariana Grande]

I know.

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[Ariana Grande]

Of course I do.

[Amy Poehler]

I like them very much. I do. I like them very much. I feel they are.

[Ariana Grande]

I can also admit they're ridiculous.

[Amy Poehler]

Well, what I love about them is when I feel transported. To me, that is the best feeling ever when I watch anything. But it's harder for me to get transported in musicals than in other things. And I get like, you know, it's kind of like improv. There's a vulnerability in that moment. And if it's good, you're psyched. And if it's not good, it's tough. It's tough.

[Ariana Grande]

It's ticklish.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes. How do you. When you've done many musicals, you're currently making a film about probably the most famous musical, Wicked. Like when you have that moment right before the actor sings, it's just like jumping off a cliff kind of. You have to stay in the acting moment and then switch into song. Do you know what I mean? What do you do in the preciousness of that moment?

[Ariana Grande]

Well, for Wicked, thankfully, I do feel like it's really well written for the characters and for the moment. So it feels like they have to sing the next thought, you know, But I think so that it can be as honest as possible and feel like it's just acting and like the singing, whatever. It's vocal training way long before you get there so that it doesn't even feel like a thought. Like, I trained my voice for months, months before my first audition because Glinda's voice is so different than mine. How did you train it? I trained with my vocal coach, Eric Vitro, and it just takes muscle memory. So for weeks and weeks and weeks, I'd go every day. I was. I was a coach on the Voice at the time and I was going in the mornings to Eric and then my acting coach, Nancy Banks, and we would work on random things, not even Glinda related things, just to sort of get the muscles moving. And I hadn't acted in a long time and I. It was important to me to get ready for the audition. And, you know, I just spent every day going to retrain that falsetto, operatic area of my voice because I wasn't using it for a long time. And you can hear the quality change if you look through, like the voice notes from way back then. Like the first week I went, there was so much air seeping out. And then slowly but surely, like week after week, there was more purity and more clarity to it.

[Amy Poehler]

When you get higher, does there have to be less air? Like everything has to be tighter in the vocal cords?

[Ariana Grande]

No, I think it just sounded. I guess what I mean by that was that you could hear more rasp in my voice. So the same amount of air, but just the quality became clearer and more pure as time went on.

[Amy Poehler]

And Glinda doesn't have a rasp.

[Ariana Grande]

She's so.

[Amy Poehler]

Does she.

[Ariana Grande]

No, I mean, unless there's like an emotional break or something like that, it can be imperfect. But she has a purer tone and it's more classical. And I trained really hard so that that could not be a thought on set. So that by the time we were in it and had to move seamlessly into the songs, hopefully, you know, that wasn't a stress, that wasn't a thing no one was worried about. Are the notes going to come out right? And if they didn't, it probably made sense emotionally. You know, there are moments where, especially in the second one where we have breaks and we have like choked up and you can hear it and that's kind of like, like the beauty of being able to do it live on set because you get to honor what's happening in the scene. Yeah, but it's Wicked. And I get what you're saying where, like, maybe if it was something else, it might be. I don't know. It's like that back and forth is so hard to do. But, you know, thankfully these songs felt so intentional. Every single song in Wicked feels so purposeful. Yeah. For the arcs of the characters and for. For what's going on.

[Amy Poehler]

Did you speak in a different voice as Glenda?

[Ariana Grande]

I did, yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

A higher voice so you could stay there when you sang?

[Ariana Grande]

I did. It was kind of. So on days when I'm singing, I'll. And also most of the time this is kind of where my voice sits is like here. But sometimes it'll move lower and then sometimes it'll move higher. For Glinda, when she's younger, it was a little bit pingier. And in the. When she's older, it's a little more grounded, a little more lived in. She's like a public figure now. She's supposed to, you know, she has this like responsibility. So it's a little more. And she's been through more, so it has a slightly different tone. But then when she's with Elfie again and having fun, there's more pep and.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

I feel like people.

[Amy Poehler]

Incredible that you tracked all that.

[Ariana Grande]

It was important.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

Thank you. But you know, it felt really important and helpful because we were shooting both films at the same. Same time.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

So just making sure. I also, I. I kept track of all of that with color coded sticky tabs so that I could like take a peek at which color so that I could bounce back and forth. And then, you know, there were a lot of little tools that helped with the mind set shift between both films. But that was one of Them and singing voice and speaking voice feeling a little different. That was a really fun thing to sort of figure out some of her songs. In the second movie, you get to hear her open up a little more. Whereas, like, everything in the first movie is so controlled and prim and proper and bubbly. Yeah. You get to kind of, like, peel back so many different layers. She grows a lot in the first movie. Her arc is. She has a big arc in the first movie, and then in the second one, there's a lot more to go.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah, because you're so good. You're such a mimic. You do men's voices very well.

[Ariana Grande]

I am working on it because I'd like to do more male drag and more male voices.

[Amy Poehler]

Your Eugene Levy was amazing.

[Ariana Grande]

How did you see that? How have you seen that?

[Amy Poehler]

From my laptop. Everything is here.

[Ariana Grande]

No one knows about that.

[Amy Poehler]

Can you do a little Eugene Levy tv? Can you? Do you remember?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, I, you know, I, I. The thing about that day is I had. I went to a place that I've never gone before, and I don't know if I'm able to access. I also had put my gum in my Invisalign.

[Amy Poehler]

Ooh, that's helpful.

[Ariana Grande]

We had teeth, but they weren't, like, working. They weren't sticking. So I put gum in my Invisalign, which really hurt.

[Amy Poehler]

And you were playing the character he played in Best in Show.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

Not Eugene.

[Ariana Grande]

It was.

[Amy Poehler]

Eugene is very sophisticated. Not this character.

[Ariana Grande]

Jerry Fleck. I was playing Jerry Fleck, and he was sort of like, hold on. I have to, like. I have to, like, relax my body. I don't know how to drop into this.

[Amy Poehler]

Eugene.

[Ariana Grande]

I'd like to think that Cookie and I. It's not as low as I'd like today. I don't have my basement today.

[Amy Poehler]

It's so good work as a team.

[Ariana Grande]

So I do nothing. She does all the work with Winky. Back to, I don't know, back in the day when I was at Ponce de Leon Junior High. Well, I wish you could.

[Amy Poehler]

I wish people listening could look at Ariana's face.

[Ariana Grande]

It's really bad.

[Amy Poehler]

What is it doing?

[Ariana Grande]

I never have any idea.

[Amy Poehler]

It's transforming. It's really good.

[Ariana Grande]

I never have any idea.

[Amy Poehler]

But you have a. You have a way to get pretty. You can get pretty low.

[Ariana Grande]

I sometimes can. Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

And you do have up that. I mean, I. I love. I. I love. I want. I want, like, I feel like there's a lot of men's voices you could do.

[Ariana Grande]

Well, oh, my God.

[Amy Poehler]

Because you're very, you're very, you're very high femme, as people like to say. I don't know. And high femme, I think, and, But.

[Ariana Grande]

I think we both are.

[Amy Poehler]

I, I, I didn't think I was, but Bowen told me I was.

[Ariana Grande]

I think you are. But you also have such comfortability, doing great male voices and characters.

[Amy Poehler]

Same. And I, and, you know, and I think what I love about you is the way in which you're very, like, open and supportive of the way that gender is its own fluid experience and expression in the way you live your life, and also the way you support people who are expressing that fluidity. But I think you have a very interesting masculine, feminine energy that you're always playing around with it. And it's cool to see it.

[Ariana Grande]

It's so nice.

[Amy Poehler]

It's cool to see it.

[Ariana Grande]

That's so nice.

[Amy Poehler]

You have a wide range of how you can play around.

[Ariana Grande]

That is so nice. Yeah, I'd like to play more men.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. Okay, America.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, we should have worn mustaches for this.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, I love a mustache. I love a mustache.

[Ariana Grande]

I love a mustache as well. For Jerry, for my performance as Jerry, I had these big eyebrows and no other makeup and big, the, yeah, the Invisalign on my teeth. It was really fun.

[Amy Poehler]

And then you can do that really breathy, you know. And also, Judy Garland is up in that world. I know you love Judy and she. And you have. You can do. I just, I mean, I'm just.

[Ariana Grande]

That's so nice.

[Amy Poehler]

I'm pointing out your range.

[Ariana Grande]

Coming from you, I feel like I am dreaming.

[Amy Poehler]

I don't know if anyone's told you you're very talented.

[Ariana Grande]

That is very kind.

[Amy Poehler]

You're very, very talented.

[Ariana Grande]

And so are you.

[Amy Poehler]

I don't want to say that. Well, I mean, I mean, and, you know, you, it is pretty. It's so fantastic to hear your name up with. It's like Celine, Whitney, Mariah. What are you talking about? You're in that sentence. No. Yes, ma'. Am.

[Ariana Grande]

No, no, no.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes, you are in that sentence. And what?

[Ariana Grande]

That's crazy.

[Amy Poehler]

It must be, I guess, because I'm talking about people that you love, study, and completely like, are, you know, a huge fan and you're also their peer and you're singing with them. Who is someone that you sang with that you had to just kind of, like, keep looking over and being like, oh, my. Oh, my God, Like, I can't believe I'm singing with them.

[Ariana Grande]

Mariah.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

Every time I'm. I cross paths with her, which has been like a Handful now. And that feels just like such a dream. I have to pinch myself. And the best part is how kind she has been to me and how she's embraced me and just. She's a wonderful, kind person. I. I really love her and it's very surreal.

[Amy Poehler]

What was it about Mariah's music growing up that spoke to you? What was that special sauce about her voice?

[Ariana Grande]

The vocals and the sense of humor? I think her. Her. Her pen and her producing ear. I mean, yes, she's the greatest vocalist, of course, but the. The other pieces are just so. Are just what make her. Her, you know?

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

Talk about, you know, she's the greatest singer. So many people sing beautifully, but her. Her point of view and her sense of humor and her wit in her songwriting and. Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

And she.

[Ariana Grande]

Talk about male dress.

[Amy Poehler]

Why did she do that?

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. What did she do in the Obsessed video?

[Amy Poehler]

Let's look it up.

[Ariana Grande]

You have to see it.

[Amy Poehler]

She dressed. She. And. And Lady Gaga also does that as well, so. Well.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. Oh, my God.

[Amy Poehler]

And I.

[Ariana Grande]

And I mean, I love these divas. I love. She's another as well, who is just so. I love so much. Sweetest in the world.

[Amy Poehler]

You. That rain on me is so good.

[Ariana Grande]

Well, thank you.

[Amy Poehler]

And I loved seeing you two together because it just felt like 2. To professional super talents. Like, I could just.

[Ariana Grande]

We're theater nerds. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

Okay.

[Amy Poehler]

Obsessed. Mariah Carey. Oh, she's dressed as a. She's at the limousine. She's a limousine driver. She's obsessed with herself. She's playing a. Wow, I never saw this. I'm.

[Ariana Grande]

She's one of us.

[Amy Poehler]

That is so cool. Who are you seeing in music, in film? And who. Who are you saying? Like, who. They're doing something really exciting, inspired by them.

[Ariana Grande]

I have to say. I'm sort of. I'm on set right now. I'm filming this movie. I'm filming.

[Amy Poehler]

Can you talk about what you're filming? Or is it.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes, I'm filming Focker in law. I'm having so much fun. I know it's crazy.

[Amy Poehler]

It's great.

[Ariana Grande]

The fourth Fockers movie. But it's like. It's such a treat and it's such a privilege. I'm learning so much and working with Ben Stiller and Robert De Niro and everyone that is in this cast, I'm really enjoying my time with. And it's such a.

[Amy Poehler]

Who's directing it?

[Ariana Grande]

John Hamburg.

[Amy Poehler]

Who? John is awesome.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, he's wonderful.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah, he's great.

[Ariana Grande]

And it's just so great. To sort of experience a new. A new journey and, like, learn from those around me. And I'm very inspired by my cast. I love. And Beanie Feldstein is in it, and she's incredible. I love her so much.

[Amy Poehler]

So funny.

[Ariana Grande]

So funny. So wonderful. And, yeah, I'm learning a lot from my castmates. And. Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

And it's probably like a of lot, lot less physical. It's probably a lot less physically exhausting than Wicked, which must be not.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding.

[Amy Poehler]

I don't know if I'm allowed to.

[Ariana Grande]

Say this, but I have to say it because you're going to laugh your ass off. My character is a triathlete.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, no. So you're always running.

[Ariana Grande]

I spent yesterday doing Burpee is in High Knees with Robert Dairo. And. And he's like, good job, Olivia.

[Amy Poehler]

Good job.

[Ariana Grande]

And it's like the craziest, most.

[Amy Poehler]

I'm like, what is this movie?

[Ariana Grande]

What are we doing?

[Amy Poehler]

But I'm having a blast.

[Ariana Grande]

It's really special. But no, it's.

[Amy Poehler]

Bar.

[Ariana Grande]

It's not. It's not. Yeah. She's a lot of things, but a triathlete is one of them. There's also a lot of biking in this movie.

[Amy Poehler]

Like, a lot.

[Ariana Grande]

A lot, A lot, lot, lot.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, no.

[Ariana Grande]

Ben Stiller is so.

[Amy Poehler]

He's so Olympian. He runs like, a couple miles a day. Yeah. Before. Yeah. It's too much. I mean. No, it's. It's too much.

[Ariana Grande]

I feel like I'm on the set of the Avengers between him and Bob. Mr. De Niro. I'm like, yeah, you guys.

[Amy Poehler]

But Bob. Bob's not running in the morning, is he? Oh, my God.

[Ariana Grande]

At like 4. At like 3:30. I love them.

[Amy Poehler]

They gotta stop. That's not okay.

[Ariana Grande]

But I do love a good morning Pilates moment. I do.

[Amy Poehler]

Here's how I feel about running.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. Yes. You prefer. I prefer walking.

[Amy Poehler]

I prefer walking. There we go. And when people are running, I'm like, too much running.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

What are you running from? I. I hear it's too much running, but I just. I just assumed that Wicked is just so much physical because also the outfit.

[Ariana Grande]

It is.

[Bowen Yang]

It is.

[Amy Poehler]

It is. Outfits are a lot of like. Like wearing an outfit is. Is heavy. Like, that's just. And the.

[Ariana Grande]

Well, every day was corseted only. The only looks. The only looks that I had that weren't corseted were my pajamas. But it was. But it was helpful.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. It kept you feeling.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. I was so eager to get into my corset.

[Amy Poehler]

And her shoes.

[Ariana Grande]

Because I wanted to, like, find her posture immediately and, like, her weird stiffness. I wanted to jump into that. Yeah. So I had a rehearsal corset and rehearsal shoes, and then it was, like, fine. By the time we, you know, it was. It was great.

[Amy Poehler]

And John Chu seems awesome.

[Ariana Grande]

He's the best person in the whole entire world.

[Amy Poehler]

You can just kind of tell right away. I mean, I have to say, in general, the press that you and Cynthia did for the tour was so exciting to watch, because there isn't like a. You know, there is this thing that one always has to push against when you're a woman in the business, which is people are of kind, constantly comparing and asking each other. Like, there's just, like, a little bit of an electricity in the air that people are looking for conflict. And what you and Cynthia did over and over and over again was so radical, which is you kept getting ahead of it, speaking to it, and then in the moment, really reminding everybody about how you made a commitment to each other, to support each other through the project. It was really cool. And in doing so, you commented on the bigger idea of, like, the pressure women feel constantly to be compared to each other and have conflict with each other. Did you two make that pact together? It feels like you did. Did you say it to each other or was it just unspoken?

[Ariana Grande]

Well, we did. You know, it was. It was really. First of all, thank you. It was really hard work, you know. Yeah. Not to commit to that, but to kind of take care of each other. Firstly through this incredibly huge thing that was making Wicked. You know, I really wanted to be safe. Yeah. In each other. You know, I wanted to make sure that she knew immediately. Like, I. I am a cancer. I jumped in way too fast. I was like, hi, time.

[Amy Poehler]

You were, like, ready to cry.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. I was like, hello.

[Amy Poehler]

Shall we cry together?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. Let's start with the, like, the darkest. No, like, you know, I really did want to. Want to establish that. Right. Right away. And I kind of said, hey, we're getting to know each other. I. You know, we're going to learn a lot about each other very quickly.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

You need to know. I want you to know there's nothing that we can't talk about. You don't have to face something alone. If you need help with something, I am on your side already. I don't even know what it is yet, but we'll get there together. This is a huge undertaking. Yeah. And I want us to stay connected as much. Much as possible, every step of the way. And you know, there were so many challenges in the making of and that we checked in and we always stayed honest, you know, you did.

[Amy Poehler]

And we got to see it. It was really cool because you have to deal with a lot of people's energy when they're talking to you about the stuff that you made and the way, and also you guys just physically checked in. Like, it's really sweet how you touch each other. You like to, to.

[Ariana Grande]

In a, in.

[Amy Poehler]

A non sexual way, in a loving way of like supporting each other.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

You like to hold each other's like hands and, and be there. It's very sweet.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

You like to do that with people. Am I wrong?

[Ariana Grande]

I do that.

[Amy Poehler]

I do.

[Ariana Grande]

I, I am very, I, I, I channel a lot of energy through my hands.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

And so, yeah, I'm always holding a hand. I'm always like squeezing a, something as you flirt with. I'm always reaching for something. Something.

[Amy Poehler]

We have so many things here that you can squeeze fake food if you want.

[Ariana Grande]

That's one. No, but it's often, it's often like who I'm with and you want. Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

It's like I, I like to channel support and energy and like, whatever. I didn't even notice that it was a thing about me until that thing happened.

[Amy Poehler]

And then you're talking about when you grab Cynthia's little finger. It was so cute because I didn't.

[Ariana Grande]

Know what the was going on. Sure. And, and you're like, and you just.

[Amy Poehler]

Reached over a little teeny tiny grab.

[Ariana Grande]

I knew it was gender and sincere and beautiful and I just wanted to be supportive. I was like, oh my God.

[Amy Poehler]

And it was so sweet and it felt sweet. It felt again, a great example of in a awkward or confusing moment, you guys kept turning towards each other.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. And I think that's something that we've worked hard to maintain. And you know, there's a lot of time that passes between the wrapping of the film and then the press tour happening and then, you know, it's a check in here and there when you can. You know, we're both so busy, but we do our very best to stay connected in that way and to take care care of each other. Let's all take care of each other so that we can honor the project as much as humanly possible and do great work. Is like the best lens ever.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

And I'm so lucky that John Chu is the king of that exact thing that we're talking about.

[Amy Poehler]

I mean, the fact that he was at his baby's birth and not at Wicked premiere.

[Ariana Grande]

Well, I mean, thank. Thank God.

[Amy Poehler]

I know, but there's a few people that would have made a different choice.

[Ariana Grande]

I know, but he had three. Over the course of the whole film, you know, I think he had three.

[Amy Poehler]

Three babies.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

Well, let's. Let's be clear. His wife had three babies. Yes. Yes.

[Ariana Grande]

First baby.

[Amy Poehler]

Had three babies.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

But. But.

[Ariana Grande]

But that's how long we've been working on this.

[Amy Poehler]

Wow. That's a lot of babies.

[Ariana Grande]

Isn't that crazy?

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

Wow.

[Amy Poehler]

No twins.

[Ariana Grande]

No twins.

[Amy Poehler]

Shit. Okay. All right. Okay. I have a lightning round for you. Okay.

[Ariana Grande]

Okay. Okay.

[Amy Poehler]

So I have to disclaim.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm really bad at lightning.

[Amy Poehler]

Take lightning. Doesn't have to be fast.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm like, in the middle always. Because ptsd. I build a case for both answers. Y. I'm like, very indecisive due to things.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay, got it. So I want you to know that this is. You don't have to worry about being fast because I also don't ask the questions fast.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, good. Thank God.

[Amy Poehler]

So it's a slow. We're on a slow round. A really slow landing, like where you kind of see it in the sky, and it comes down really slowly and it hits the ground really slowly.

[Ariana Grande]

Okay. Turtle round.

[Amy Poehler]

So the first thing I'm going to ask you is kind of a gotcha question.

[Ariana Grande]

Okay. Give me.

[Amy Poehler]

Give me it. And this gotcha question is you say you're five' three.

[Ariana Grande]

I don't say that.

[Amy Poehler]

That's what the Internet says.

[Ariana Grande]

I say I'm five' two. Well, the Internet says a lot of things. True. But I'm five' two.

[Amy Poehler]

That was the question.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm five' two.

[Amy Poehler]

Are you five' two?

[Ariana Grande]

I'm five' two.

[Amy Poehler]

Is it five' two on your license? Do you have a license?

[Ariana Grande]

I haven't used it in a long time.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm in New York.

[Amy Poehler]

Do you have a current driver's license?

[Ariana Grande]

Think so. She thinks so.

[Amy Poehler]

I'm kidding.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm joking. I do. I do. I'm not driving, though.

[Amy Poehler]

Do you like being five' two? What? What's the pros and cons of being five' two? I asked cuz I am also five' two, but my license is five' three.

[Ariana Grande]

I. Oh, does it?

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

Was that a choice?

[Amy Poehler]

No. It. They measured me or somehow someone put.

[Ariana Grande]

It down a tall day. You were having a tall day.

[Amy Poehler]

I was having a tall day.

[Ariana Grande]

I get it.

[Amy Poehler]

And I got. I got. I got, like, excited. I was like five, three. I was like, okay.

[Ariana Grande]

And then.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. So, five, two. So what do you think about being a tiny, A tiny person?

[Ariana Grande]

I think it's fine. I think I'm enjoying my time. Things. I wish I could reach more. Yeah. I wish I could reach, like, the water more. I wish I could reach it.

[Amy Poehler]

Is there anything that you think you wish you had height for? Like just, I guess, reaching?

[Ariana Grande]

No, I mean, just reaching. Yeah. You know, the highest book, the highest water, the highest whatever it is. But I, But I do. Are you. Do you?

[Amy Poehler]

I mean, I know, I know no other way.

[Ariana Grande]

I know no other way.

[Amy Poehler]

I know no other way. I mean, I have heard that shorter people live longer. But not to brag.

[Ariana Grande]

I don't know why. I hope so.

[Amy Poehler]

I hope so.

[Ariana Grande]

Well, I hope we all live long. I don't know what I'm saying.

[Amy Poehler]

We can't all live long. Let's give it to the short people.

[Ariana Grande]

I hope everyone lives a beautiful long life.

[Amy Poehler]

Of course. But let's have short people live longer.

[Ariana Grande]

Let's have something. Yeah, let's have something.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay, moving on. Lightning round. Do you think you had a past life? Have you ever felt like you've lived before?

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, God, you're going to here. That's so not lightning. I do feel like I've lived before, but I don't know who.

[Amy Poehler]

What, who was she?

[Bowen Yang]

He.

[Amy Poehler]

What was. Where did you live? Do you have a sense?

[Ariana Grande]

I have no sense, but I, But I do feel old. So that's what people say.

[Amy Poehler]

They say like an old soul.

[Ariana Grande]

I, I, I'm not calling myself an old soul.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay.

[Ariana Grande]

I think I'm just tired, actually.

[Amy Poehler]

Whoever you were was tired.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, I think it was tired. And I think, I think they might have dropped. Drowned. Ooh, Sorry. Sorry. I just have a thing with, like, when people hold their breath underwater. I don't like that.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay, very good to know.

[Ariana Grande]

I don't like that at all. Great. But back to the thing when you said, is there anything you wish you could do? I just have one more, and if I don't get it out. I wish I were a person who, like, had entomology, endless entomology knowledge. And I could look at a bug and be like, ah, Lepidoptera pieridae. You know that kind of person.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes, I do wish I had that. Who could classify insects, different insects?

[Ariana Grande]

I know you, you know the people who do that with birds. I have the bird app, the Merlin app. Do you have that?

[Amy Poehler]

No.

[Ariana Grande]

It's fabulous. You record the sound of the bird and it quickly pops up what it is. They can tell by their tone of Voice. I love that.

[Amy Poehler]

I feel like you would also probably be able to impersonate a lot of birds.

[Ariana Grande]

I think you have a lot of faith in me. They're being really kind to me.

[Amy Poehler]

Best Halloween costume you've ever worn.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, well.

[Amy Poehler]

Or one that you've worn.

[Ariana Grande]

I think. I think my favorites are the best in show. Stuff that I did with Liz that we did together, that's forever my favorite. And I was also the pig face from Twilight Zone. That was like a fun.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes. That's an old classic.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. I love Halloween.

[Amy Poehler]

For people that don't remember, there was a Twilight Zone where a woman woke.

[Ariana Grande]

Up from the eye of the beholder.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes. And it was. She woke up from what was like plastic surgery and everyone started screaming. And her face looked beautiful.

[Ariana Grande]

Gorgeous. But they were all pig faces. Fabulous.

[Amy Poehler]

Chew on that.

[Ariana Grande]

Fabulous episode.

[Amy Poehler]

What about best bath product? You love taking baths.

[Ariana Grande]

I love lush. I'm a lush person.

[Amy Poehler]

You're like a bath bomb.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm a bath bomb.

[Amy Poehler]

So you love a fizz?

[Ariana Grande]

I love a fizz. I love the smell. I love, like, salts and a bath bomb and a trickle of oil, like essential oils.

[Amy Poehler]

And do you take. Do you have one of those things on your bathtub, like where it goes across where you can put your phone? Do you take your phone to your bath?

[Ariana Grande]

I do. I take my. I also take my laptop. I get a lot of work done. I'm not kidding. Okay, so I have to talk about this because I'm a big bath person. Did someone tell you?

[Amy Poehler]

Tip you off? Yes. We heard you're a big bath person.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my God. I'm a big bath person. I like, like, it's like a.

[Amy Poehler]

It's like an office ritual.

[Ariana Grande]

It's a. Yeah, it's a ceremony. Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

And I talk us. Talk us through the ceremony.

[Ariana Grande]

I have my. Like, I have my. I'm in the bath and I have my coffee here.

[Amy Poehler]

Got it. Do you have a tray?

[Ariana Grande]

No, it's just on the edge of the thing, and I.

[Amy Poehler]

That's scary.

[Ariana Grande]

I know. But it's okay. It's always fun time. And, you know, I push the bubbles back so they're not in the way. Because this is what this is. This is when I have time to do, like, my approvals of stuff before I go to work.

[Amy Poehler]

Ah, that's good.

[Ariana Grande]

So I'm able to look at the.

[Amy Poehler]

Links of stuff in the water.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. Look at it.

[Amy Poehler]

And yet afraid of drowning.

[Ariana Grande]

I know, but that's the thing. So I'm in control. In the back, there's Big control that we're working on. And I'm in control in the bath.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

And I'm a cancer, so I'm very. I'm very aquatic. I love the water. I love to be submerged. But the drowning thing.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. Favorite Italian food.

[Ariana Grande]

Ooh, I have to say pasta.

[Amy Poehler]

What kind? So many kinds.

[Ariana Grande]

Marinara.

[Amy Poehler]

Just simple marinara.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. What my Nona would make.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes. I'm sorry about the passing of your Nona. She seemed amazing, Marjorie.

[Ariana Grande]

She was amazing. She was so funny.

[Amy Poehler]

Tell me about her.

[Ariana Grande]

My favorite Nona story is Frankie King coming out to her. And so, Frankie, you're. My brother is Frankie. He is gay, and he. He is very gay. I don't know if you know, and he. And he came out to us, and, you know, my first question was, like, do you have a boyfriend? Who is he? I want to meet him. And, you know, Nona was just trying to figure it out. You know, very accepting, very loving, very celebratory. But she was just trying to figure it out because she couldn't believe it. And, you know, in her mind, she had plenty of, like, boyfriend. I. He had plenty of girlfriends and whatever, and. And so she goes, frankie, have you seen a pair of breasts? And he was like, yeah, yeah. None. I've seen breasts. Yeah. And she goes, didn't do anything for you. He was like, no, no, no. And she was like, well, you're gay. And Matt was like, yeah, I know. He was like, I wasn't asking for you.

[Amy Poehler]

She was like, time.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Amy Poehler]

Before you leave, can I just tempt you one more time? Have you seen all of them?

[Ariana Grande]

She's like, I just want to know if you know what you're. What you mean. It was just so funny.

[Amy Poehler]

Before you go, I'd like to remind you what you're missing. And Frankie was like, I'm okay. Yeah, I'm good.

[Ariana Grande]

I know. I've already asked this question. I promise.

[Amy Poehler]

She seems amazing.

[Ariana Grande]

She seems amazing.

[Amy Poehler]

Your family seems like they're, like, a really funny, like, tight group. Like, you seem really connected to your family.

[Ariana Grande]

I mean, we are. We are.

[Amy Poehler]

I mean, are you a typical Italian family?

[Ariana Grande]

I think think so. I think so. I think, like, I. That's how we kind of grew up in the loud Italian household. Sunday dinners and cards and. Yeah, you know, I learned poker, but like I was saying way before I should have, probably. And yeah, I was. It was beautiful. I do feel like I am so right smack in the middle between my mom and my dad. Like, I think Frankie and my mom are, like, very similar. And Then I like, kind of in the middle of it all. But yeah, they were amazing. And my grandpa was the best ever.

[Amy Poehler]

What was he like?

[Ariana Grande]

He was the best.

[Amy Poehler]

And what did you call him?

[Ariana Grande]

My grandpa.

[Amy Poehler]

Grandpa.

[Ariana Grande]

I called my Nonna, Nona and my grandpa grandpa because he thought Nono sounded too. Sounded too negative.

[Amy Poehler]

No, no, no, no.

[Ariana Grande]

He didn't like it.

[Amy Poehler]

He was like, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, but he was incredible. Yeah. And he didn't. And when Frankie came out to him, he was just like, what the hell? Who cares? What, are we going to love him any less? We got dinner reservations at Positano. Let's go.

[Amy Poehler]

Perfect. It's like that's what you wish for every kid. You wish for every kid that they have that kind of like loving, teasing, instant acceptance. Instant love.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

And just like being seen right away.

[Ariana Grande]

We need it now more than ever.

[Amy Poehler]

Amen. Amen.

[Ariana Grande]

I wish that for all the kids.

[Sponsor/Advertisement Voice]

Same.

[Amy Poehler]

And you, do you provide that for.

[Ariana Grande]

A lot of people?

[Amy Poehler]

Ariana, you're just so great. I just love, love you so much too.

[Ariana Grande]

I was so nervous and excited because I adore you so much.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you.

[Amy Poehler]

Is there anything we didn't talk about? I don't think there.

[Ariana Grande]

Okay.

[Amy Poehler]

Thanks so much for doing this. It means a lot. And congrats on Wicked 2, which is going to be out this week. And I'm sure this little indie film is going to get a lot of people talking. No, but congrats on the huge success of it and I can't wait to see all the stuff that's coming up for you. And I'm just such a fan, so thanks for doing this.

[Ariana Grande]

Me too. I love you. And thank you for having me.

[Amy Poehler]

Thank you so much. Thank you. Our Mariana. It was so great to have you and so great to hear you talk about all of the good things. And it is time now for the Polar Plunge. Today's Polar Plunge is presented by Visible. When your phone plans as good as Visible, you've got to tell your people. Unlimited data, just 25 bucks a month. Join [e-mail] so to plunge into the. Into the interview today, I just want to say that Ariana talked a lot about game night and how. How much fun she has playing games and how some members of her family get competitive. And I just. I wanted to just kind of do a public service announcement to remind people that a competitive person at game night can ruin a game night. But as kind of a competitive person myself, don't come if you're not ready to win. So walk the line. Be care and try, but don't be so awful that you make everybody go quiet. It's a fine line, but I know you can reach it. So today's Polar Plunge was presented by visible. It's one line wireless on Verizon's 5G network for $25 a month. That's a top tier network at a budget friendly cost. Tell your people and make the switch. Terms apply. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. Thank you so much for listening. See you again. Bye. You've been listening to good hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by the Ringer and Paper Kite. For the Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, cat Spillane, Kaia McMullen and Alaia Zaneris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.