Billie Eilish

Summary

Good Hang with Amy Poehler – Billie Eilish

Podcast: Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Host: Amy Poehler
Guest: Billie Eilish
Date: May 5, 2026
Episode Theme: The Role of Humor, Authenticity & Family in Billie Eilish’s Art and Life

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Episode Overview

In this rich, playful, and intimate conversation, Amy Poehler welcomes pop phenomenon Billie Eilish to her studio for an expansive discussion about comedy, authenticity, family, creativity, mental health, and what it’s really like to live in the spotlight from young adulthood into her twenties. The episode features a cameo Zoom from Billie’s brother and collaborator, Finneas O’Connell, and includes stories about their sibling dynamic, Billie’s creative process, and plenty of laughter. The two also dive deep into the power of self-soothing through TV, the challenge of letting oneself be “cringe,” and the role of pets (and escape-artist hamsters) in Billie’s life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sibling Dynamics and Creative Process

Timestamps: 02:35–13:51 (Finneas O’Connell segment)

• Finneas Zooms In: Amy, Billie, and Finneas share hilarious banter about LA driverless cars, comedy in their family, and being eldest siblings.
  • “I am much more blase about cutting off a car with no driver than I am about cutting off another human being.” — Finneas, 03:10
• On Sharing Their Process: Finneas talks about why he makes their behind-the-scenes creative process so public:
  • “…There’s kind of a magic and mystery in hearing a great song that makes it feel unattainable to me… When I see somebody break it down, I go like, oh, wow, I could do that. ...There’s no secret sauce.” — Finneas, 04:51–05:28
• Comedy as Creative Relief: Both siblings invoke humor to get out of creative ruts; for Finneas, making Billie laugh is a highlight.
  • “She cracks me up so much. When I make her laugh…that makes me feel so good.” — Finneas, 06:23
• On Being Siblings in Music: Finneas and Amy reflect on the eldest-child protector vibe, and the gratitude of working and growing up together.

2. Billie’s Relationship with Comedy & Family

Timestamps: 14:42–21:46

• The Healing Power of Laughter: Billie emphasizes how integral laughter and teasing is in her family.
  • “I literally live to laugh….There’s nothing that’s funnier to me than being made fun of. And making fun of someone else’s name.” — Billie, 18:57, 20:14
• Comedy as Family Language: Raised in a humor-driven home (mom was a Groundling), Billie calls brother Finneas a “comedic genius.”
• The Value of Self-Deprecation: Laughing at oneself is “one of the greatest joys…a sign of intelligence.”
  • “Having a sense of humor about yourself…especially when all eyes are on you…is super hard.” — Amy, 21:06

3. Cringe, Authenticity & Growing Up In Public

Timestamps: 21:55–36:58

• Embracing Cringe = Freedom: Billie and Amy discuss how Gen Z’s changing comfort with “cringe” is healthy.
  • “Embracing being cringe is literally allowing yourself to be happy and free.” — Billie, 21:55
• Self-Soothing with Comedy TV: Billie’s obsession with The Office as a comfort show (over 30 rewatches!), Parks and Rec, Ferris Bueller’s Day Off, and animated films.
• Aging Publicly: Billie is relieved to leave behind relentless “youngest ever” labels as she matures:
  • “I am so excited to age…and not change it… I want my kids to look at me and have my face look like their face and not be some botched version…out there.” — Billie, 30:44

4. Creative Decision-Making & Authenticity

Timestamps: 32:21–41:14

• Gut Instinct Over PR: Billie recounts resisting PR training at 14, choosing blunt honesty over image-sculpting.
  • “I…sobbed through it. I hated it so much…She would ask me a question…and be like, ‘No, no, you need to start saying this…’” — Billie, 34:24
• Balancing Sharing and Privacy: As her fame grew, Billie scaled back her oversharing but remains committed to authenticity for her fans.

5. Behind the Lyrics & Writing Process

Timestamps: 39:01–43:16

• Honest, Direct Lyrics: Amy praises Billie’s plainspoken writing (ex. “you made me hate this city”)—Billie confirms her songwriting is driven by gut checks for realness.
  • “It’s like you try on a lyric and you’re like, is that real?” — Amy, 40:11
• Discomfort with Writing: “I don’t like writing music…My love is singing. Singing is like my true, true soulmate. Singing is the thing that I love more than anything in the world.” — Billie, 40:43, 42:19

6. Unexpected Turns: Billie’s Dance Dreams & Ocean Eyes Origins

Timestamps: 49:13–53:29

• Early Dance Injury Pivoted Her Life: A hip injury halted Billie’s dance ambitions right as "Ocean Eyes" took off on SoundCloud—a “sliding doors” moment.
  • “When you think something is ruining your life and it’s really actually saving your life.” — Billie, 54:07

7. Pet Stories: The Tale of Tomato Bisque Soup

Timestamps: 63:42–72:52

• Hamster Drama: By Finneas’s request, Billie shares the wild story of her rescue hamster, Tomato Bisque Soup, escaping into her walls for four days before returning.
  • “I keep hearing like—she fucking crawls out of the wall and crawls right into my hand…she’s like, ‘What up, bitch?’” — Billie, 70:54
• Love for Animals: Billie reflects on her late dog, her reactive pit bull, and empathy for misunderstood pets.

8. Lightning Round & Pop Culture Loves

Timestamps: 73:02–78:44

• Favorites: Tarantulas (yes), horses (love), Survivor (obsessed—there’s even a “Billie Eilish Idol” in the game!), Kate Bush on repeat, love for sitting and matinee shows (“I hate standing. I just hate standing. I love to sit.” — Billie, 76:49).
• On Sleep: Now an early bedtimer, Amy and Billie share mutual appreciation for a good night’s sleep.

9. Mental Health, Tourette’s, and Intrusive Thoughts

Timestamps: 79:10–82:53

• Open about Tourette’s: Billie candidly explains vocal and physical tics, “suppressing,” and public misunderstandings:
  • “If you didn’t see me tic today, you’re not looking at my knees, which are ticking constantly under this table...I am really doing it this whole time as fun as—I’m having much fun as I’m having—I’m doing everything I can to suppress every single tic.” — Billie, 81:26
• Helping Amy & Fans: Amy credits Billie for helping her understand her own intrusive thoughts:
  • “You—having them in real time or talking about them or even just like softly joking about them…really helped me with that.” — Amy, 80:18

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Finneas on creative fun:
  “If I really have no control over whether something succeeds or not, I might as well just have the best time possible making the thing.” (09:44)

• On Sibling Support:
  “He is, like, just aside from how talented and incredible he is and how he is, like my best friend and he’s loves me so much. …He’s just the greatest brother in the world.” — Billie, 63:03

• On Aging & Authenticity:
  “I want my kids to look at me and have my face look like their face and not be some botched version of whatever the fuck is going on out there right now.” — Billie, 30:51

• On Self-Soothing with TV:
  “It’s a self-soothing, like knowing the end. No anxiety thing…All I do is rewatch the same movie, the same show, the same meal, listen to the same song…” — Billie, 27:44, 28:06

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Important Segments (with Timestamps)

• [02:35–13:51] – Finneas on creativity, sibling dynamic, and what he admires in Billie.
• [17:46–21:19] – Billie on growing up with laughter and teasing as her family’s “love language.”
• [22:57–36:58] – Billie and Amy on embracing “cringe,” the pressure of being cool, and maturing in the public eye.
• [39:01–43:16] – Detailed discussion of Billie’s songwriting, the role of authenticity, and the joy of singing.
• [49:13–54:07] – The hip injury that transformed Billie’s life path, leading to her music career.
• [63:42–72:52] – The escape and miraculous return of Tomato Bisque Soup, Billie’s hamster.
• [79:10–82:53] – Billie educates on Tourette’s, the nature of intrusive thoughts, and her role in destigmatizing neurodiversity.

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Final Thoughts & Tone

This episode is a masterclass in warmth, candor, and humor, blending Amy Poehler’s effusive, inquisitive style with Billie Eilish’s raw honesty and wit. Listeners gain a new appreciation for Billie’s groundedness amid her meteoric rise, her deep reliance on laughter for survival, and a vivid sense of how authenticity defines all she does—from her music, to her family relationships, to handling fame and mental health in public.

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Memorable Closing Exchange:
“You are a really generous person, Billi. You share what you’re feeling or what you’re going through. … We’re very lucky that we get to hear things from you…” — Amy, 82:50
“I’m really happy you did this. I’m such a fan… I love you so much. Thank you for…” — Billie, 83:05

Transcript

[Amy Poehler]

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[Billie Eilish]

Billie.

[Amy Poehler]

So great. Love her. And we're going to talk about so many good things. We are going to talk about how important it is to laugh. We're going to talk about intrusive thoughts, what to do with them. We're going to talk about how much she loves to sing and how lucky we are that she loves to sing because she's the best voice in the world. We are going to talk about how she saved an anim that was in her own walls. And we're going to talk about her new concert film, Hit Me Hard and Soft, coming out this week in theaters. So much to talk about. She's the best, Billy. And you know, we always like to do something on the show. We like to speak to someone who knows our guest and wants to speak well behind our guest's back. And who do we get? Phineas, of course. Finneas, her brother, her collaborator, an incredible producer and musician, writer, composer, who probably knows Billy better than anyone and very nice, is speaking to us while he drives his car in la. So let's get on, let's get, get on the Zoom with Finneas. Finneas. Hi. This episode is presented by Hilton. Guys, you know what vacation perfectionism is? It's the pressure to get your family's summer vacation booked and make it perfect and memorable. Stressful, right? Don't worry, because the team at Hilton takes care of what matters. So you can exhale and disconnect. They've over 9,000 hotels around the world, including amazing resorts and all inclusive options. So you'll definitely find the stay that you're looking for. When you want your summer vacation to feel like a vacation, it matters where you stay. Book [e-mail] Hilton for the stay. Phineas.

[Finneas O'Connell]

Hi. How's it going? Let me pull my car over. Hang on.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, my God, this is very LA that you're zooming while you're driving.

[Finneas O'Connell]

Yeah, well, the softball game, the park, the Saturday morning softball game just ended. Okay, cool. I'm pulling over. I'm taking this Waymo space. Here I go. I'm pulling over to really look you in the eye and focus. Here we go.

[Amy Poehler]

I have a question about the Waymo. A lot of people who don't live in California don't experience this Waymo, which is a driverless car. What do you think happens if you, if you hit a Waymo? What happens?

[Finneas O'Connell]

Yeah, I am much more blase about cutting off a car with no driver than I am about cutting off another human being. I know. Yeah, I don't care.

[Amy Poehler]

I think it's really interesting that we treat driverless cars like, with derision. Like we're, we, we're like, whatever, don't let the Waymo in.

[Finneas O'Connell]

But we kind of love the little shopping cart thing that rolls around. That is adorable.

[Amy Poehler]

Have you ever been in an LA Interse where the little robot delivery cart meets a Waymo at the same time and they just stand there together like they're in love, I assume.

[Finneas O'Connell]

I like that.

[Billie Eilish]

No, I haven't.

[Finneas O'Connell]

I look forward. That's going to be. That's going to be like, you know, a four leaf clover in a field.

[Amy Poehler]

That's going to be. Keep your eye out for that, for that. Meet cute. That, that. Meet LA meat cute. Okay. I guess my. What I. What I wanted to ask you before we get to your question, and I know you're literally pulled over on the side of the highway, so we won't keep you, but you have made a point of letting us in on your creative process a lot, which I really appreciate as a person who tries to make things. What do you like about letting people in on that? Because some people don't really feel like they don't like to do that. What do you get out of showing people how you make things?

[Finneas O'Connell]

I like it because it's become in the music production space, more and more popular. I would say that when I was 13 and I was scouring the Internet trying to find the kind of videos that we've made a lot of. I was finding some, but not a ton, and man, I find them inspiring. You know what I mean? I see here comes a fire truck. I'm gonna wait for a beep.

[Amy Poehler]

I hope it's a Waymo fire truck and nobody driving it.

[Finneas O'Connell]

Waymo fire truck? Yeah, nobody driving it. I find it so inspiring as a consumer to be like, oh, That's a laptop that I could buy at the Apple Store and that's a microphone. Like, there's kind of, there's a kind of a magic and mystery in hearing a great song that makes it feel unattainable to me. And I think that when I see somebody break it down, I go like, oh, wow, I could do that. And I think also I'm always rolling my eyes in the music space at people acting like they have some secret sauce, secret ingredient thing.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Finneas O'Connell]

And to me it's like, no, no, there is nothing. It's all just like, I had an idea and here's how it is. And it's probably simpler than you think it is, or maybe it's just more tedious or painstaking, you know what I mean? So that I love that quality. I love. And I also think that, like, it connects people to the, to the project more. Like I'm a DVD behind the scenes commentary of a movie guy. I love learning about the process of making the thing and I think it makes you love something more.

[Amy Poehler]

Any creative process. Like, they're all kind of similar. It's like a lot of trying things in real time and then like a lot of jokes to like, get your brain offlines because you're, you can't think anymore, which I, I, I can like. I love that you and Billie, when you work together, you do that a lot. You like, use comedy to switch yourself out of a rut or out of a mood or something. I've noticed.

[Finneas O'Connell]

Yes. Deep we are where she cracks me up so much when I make her laugh. Much like your laugh or like Conan's laugh or something. Like she has a laugh to me that I'm like, oh, like, that makes me feel so good to make Billy laugh.

[Amy Poehler]

That's such an eldest child. Oh, Penny isn't so nice because, okay, I'm the oldest, the eldest child. We have it the worst. I'm sorry, it's the hardest. We have a lot of weight on our shoulders and we're also really always trying to get our younger siblings to laugh, feel better. We're like that. We feel a lot of obligation. I don't know if it's different for oldest boys, but what do you like and not like about being an eldest child?

[Finneas O'Connell]

I guess the only thing I don't like is that on a good day when I feel like I'm really in the pocket, it seems like, oh, it must be cool to have an older sibling.

[Amy Poehler]

That's what I'm saying.

[Finneas O'Connell]

Like the period of time where I could drive her places and shit like that. I was like, this is awesome. So that's a kind of a con. Like, I wish I had a. A cool older sister or older brother or something. And then the pro is just having a younger sibling is awesome, you know, and. And getting to, like, roll your eyes with your parents about your younger sibling growing up being like, they're. They're being insane. Being the. Being the favorite. That's awesome. Who doesn't like being a favorite?

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my God.

[Amy Poehler]

I know. So you talk about, like, you know, liking the idea that you're Billy's protector, and you're also, obviously, so important in her life, in her career, and you guys are also doing tremendous things separately. And what I wanted to ask one last question is, how would you describe the way you like to work?

[Finneas O'Connell]

My fantasy is that you get in a place with somebody, and the prereq is that you go in there and you already think they're talented, even if they're not successful yet they've done something that you're like, I am attracted to that quality. I think they have an amazing voice or they're a great writer or whatever it is. So you already come in an admirer, and then you hang out and you make each other laugh, and you have a cup of coffee, and you let your guard down, and you talk shit about something, and then you're like, oh, damn. Like, we probably only have, like, 90 minutes before you have that flight back to New York. Do you want to try to make something really quick? And then you make something in this kind of, like, pressure's off, expectations have gone away, sort of a thing. And then when you're in that process, you get inspired and you get passionate, and you get the kind of feeling that we all get of, like, no, no, we want to make this the best it can be, but that it's all inside this kind of, you know, eggshell of like, we're just, like, you know, we're just having a blast here. We're just having a great time. And I don't think that you're a failure if you don't make something today. And you don't think I'm a loser.

[Amy Poehler]

I don't know if you've ever met Mike Schur, who's a showrunner and writer.

[Finneas O'Connell]

I have not met him, but I'm an admirer. I know who he is.

[Amy Poehler]

You and Mike remind me of each other a lot. And when I've heard you speak and. Because it's just basically this idea of, like, you can Decide that chaos is going to be the thing that's the agent that creates creativity. Or you're going to. Or you can decide it's connection and you.

[Billie Eilish]

It.

[Amy Poehler]

Sometimes there's a truly eccentric, chaotic experience that's like, holy shit, we made something. But for the most part, like, if it's chaotic and not connected, it's hard.

[Finneas O'Connell]

And also imagine, I feel like the real pivot for me was like, I was very ambitious as a 19 year old, 20 year old, mainly because I didn't. I didn't want the opportunity to go away. I felt like we had this great thing, I didn't want to lose it. And I was stressed. I was like, oh my God, like, I don't want to fail. And I think that then we succeeded in a bigger way than I thought we would. And then we've had sort of ups and downs as everybody does, and I was like, oh, okay. So then if I really have no control over whether something succeeds or not, I might as well just have the best time possible making the thing. Because the couple times in my life that I've been involved in making something that was unpleasant to make, I didn't really care if it succeeded. I was like, that was horrible to work on that. And especially if it's failed in whatever metric or capacity, I was like, oh, my God, what was the point of all that? That was awful to do. And then nobody even liked it. And now I work on stuff and I'm like, well, you can't take away from me that I had this amazing summer. I mean, it's part of the unfair thing about working with Billi, for me is I'm like, I'm expected to work with people that I love so much less than my sister. And you know what I mean? Like the year we spend about a year making a record and I'm like, yeah, that's a year I get to hang out with Billie like three days a week and have a wonderful time with her every time. And the idea of, like, getting in with somebody that's a stranger, it could lead to that, but it's like, unlikely that I'm gonna love somebody that much, you know?

[Amy Poehler]

So what do you love about your sister?

[Finneas O'Connell]

I love so many things about her. I think she's so earnest and sweet and hardworking, and I think she sees the world through a totally different lens than I do. And then there are things that we, you know, feel similarly about and we think the same thing about. I love disagreeing with her about stuff. Never for no reason, but I Love finding out why she feels differently about something. She's so competitive. I love that about her.

[Amy Poehler]

I love that about her, too.

[Finneas O'Connell]

I am not a competitive guy. Like, we lost this softball game. I do not care. Like, that is not a problem to me. And if Billy were at this softball game with me, Billy would be sitting here next to me, like Kobe, when Colby would lose the championship. Like, she is a. She is a fighter, and I love that. And that's lucky for me to be, you know, on the same team as. And, you know, and she's an amazing, compassionate, sort of loving person. She. She got all that from our mom. She loves animals of all kinds, and she's incredibly environmentally conscient, conscious. She's. She's learned so many lessons that I think take other people a longer time to learn if they ever agree. So I'm an admirer of all those things.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, thank you for saying that. So well said. And so to our last to let you get back on the road and honestly take a look at how you could have done better on the field, because that is important on your ride home.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

What?

[Billie Eilish]

What?

[Amy Poehler]

Do you have a question? Anything you think Billy would want to talk about or you know? Yes. Okay. You got one. You got one.

[Finneas O'Connell]

I do. I do. Okay, so I think the best way for me to phrase this is to not over explain it to you, because I think you learning it from Billi is funnier.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay.

[Finneas O'Connell]

I want you to ask Billi what tomato bisque soup is, and I want you to ask Billi how she lost tomato bisque soup.

[Amy Poehler]

Fantastic. Perfect. This feels like family lore. I can't wait to get into it.

[Finneas O'Connell]

It's shockingly recent. This is not some thing from 10 years ago. This is like. This is fresh.

[Amy Poehler]

This is Friday. Oh, my God. Awesome. Okay, Finnea, thank you so much for your time and doing this, and truly. Anytime you want to come in here and talk more, I would love it.

[Finneas O'Connell]

So I'd be honored. I'm a big fan. Thanks again. Have fun with.

[Amy Poehler]

Thank you so much. You're the best. Talk to you soon. Nice to meet you.

[Finneas O'Connell]

Bye. Nice to meet you too.

[Amy Poehler]

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[Billie Eilish]

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[Billie Eilish]

Billie. Okay.

[Amy Poehler]

I mean, you're a tiny. You're a teeny tiny, but you're a giant. But you're a teeny tiny. You're a teeny tiny lady.

[Billie Eilish]

What are you talking about?

[Amy Poehler]

You're a shorty.

[Billie Eilish]

Like, I am shorty. I am a shorty. This is true.

[Amy Poehler]

You're a shorty. How's your tiny shorty? Five two.

[Billie Eilish]

Five two.

[Amy Poehler]

And you are?

[Billie Eilish]

I'm five three. We'll see. Whoa. Yeah, we'll see. Should we.

[Amy Poehler]

Should we height track people are five two. Like to say they're five three.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, you know what's interesting? I've been five three. I'm still saying that I'm five three because I feel that it's not true that I've grown an inch, but I did just go to the doctor and they checked my height and I was 54 suddenly. And I've been 53 since I was like, 12 years old. So I've been telling everybody that I grew an inch. I literally been going around and being like, guys, I grew in it.

[Amy Poehler]

Do you think, though, you have good. Do you think you have good posture or do you think your posture has gotten better?

[Billie Eilish]

I think my posture is better and I think my posture is generally good. I do have the phone, the iPhone bump. You know, the iPhone bump at the top of the spine kind of vibe. But other than that.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah, because you probably have, like, Alexander Technique dancer training posture stuff. Yes, yes. Well. But well done. I actually have been working on my posture because.

[Billie Eilish]

Is your posture bad in general?

[Amy Poehler]

It is pretty bad.

[Billie Eilish]

It's getting worse.

[Amy Poehler]

It's getting worse and it's getting worse.

[Billie Eilish]

Interesting.

[Amy Poehler]

I know.

[Billie Eilish]

Because of this. Because of working, because of sitting?

[Amy Poehler]

No, I think just because. Well, maybe because of computers and phones. Yeah. But it might just be like, age. Yeah. So I have to work on it. Okay. So Billie Eilish is here. We're working on our posture. You're a teeny tiny, but you're a giant. You're a giant in every industry. Okay, same to you, girl. How to not totally praise. So I'm going to take it slow.

[Billie Eilish]

Okay.

[Amy Poehler]

Very, very pumped that you're here. I'm such a fan of your work. I am such a fan of how you work. And you've been very generous to us, people who don't know you, but get to experience your art. You've been very generous in, like, showing us how you work. And I am, like, really blown away by how you approach your art and your work, because what I feel from you and I think is true is, like, you have this thing, and a lot of it comes from your family, the way you were raised, like, this kind of, like, the way in which your family, the people around you, made you, like, a citizen of the world that you're not. You don't feel above people I know. And because of that, it's like you're in it with us. Like, this whole thing feels like we're in it together. You're like. You're physically in it. Like, you're physically in the crowd. You're physically in the room.

[Billie Eilish]

Like, you put.

[Amy Poehler]

You throw yourself in. Sometimes I get nervous for you and then. But you also, because of it. That's why we feel, as fans, we feel so connected to you. And, my God, the other part of you that I love is you're so funny and you love to laugh. Comedy is so important to you.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, God. I was literally saying yesterday, I was with my friends, and we were talking about how we live to laugh. I just. I literally live to laugh. I said this to my friend because she was talking about relationships, and she was like. She was like, well, I just didn't laugh. And I was like, well, bitch, you live to laugh specifically. And I do, too. And so when you're not with somebody who makes you laugh anyway, she. The rest of the day, she kept being like, I can't get over you saying live to laugh.

[Amy Poehler]

She was like, I know. It's medicine.

[Billie Eilish]

It is medicine. Amy, thank you for saying all that stuff. Stuff. Oh, my God. Hell out of my face.

[Amy Poehler]

My God.

[Billie Eilish]

God. Also, you're like, us as fans, just using. Are you kidding me?

[Amy Poehler]

I'm such a fan.

[Billie Eilish]

Wow. Thank you very much. But, yes, I feel. I feel one with the world and the fans and all.

[Amy Poehler]

I think, like, the comedy part is important because it is like, you know, you can do so many things well, and you're. You're in a family of artists who do a lot of things, and you're doing a lot of things.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

But the comedy part, if, like, I'm curious where that. Where I'm curious, like, what your relationship was to comedy as a little Kid and a young person and like your family. Like, you guys laugh a lot.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

And you all have good senses of humor, like really sharp.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah. I mean, my mom was. Was my. Both of my parents. Gosh, this is amazing. I literally, like, have never talked about anything in this realm, which I'm loving right now already. I mean, my mom was in the Groundling, so she is just naturally very funny and very quick and witty and like, has so many characters. And so does my dad. My dad is like an incredible facemaker. He makes amazing faces. And he and I used to have like face making competitions when we were. When I was a little kid. And so I would always see them just be funny all the time and all they did was be funny and laugh and all. Phineas, I mean, Finneas. Phineas is like truly a comedic genius.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah, he has really good jokes.

[Billie Eilish]

Like, really funny. Like, and has been forever. I mean, when we were. I was thinking about this today randomly that when we were doing meetings with like labels and stuff when I was 14 and he was 18, he was just like cracking jokes for the, the whole thing and making everybody, you know, die laughing. So I don't know what it came from. I love to laugh so much.

[Amy Poehler]

And that's where it came from. Just as you said, like, you start to like, know what you see. And like the love language at your family was like laughter, laughter and a little bit of slight teasing, which to me is a sign of love.

[Billie Eilish]

That's literally my. I live for that. I like, there's nothing that's funnier to me than being made fun of. And making fun of someone else's name

[Amy Poehler]

is the greatest thing to me. It's like how I show someone that I love and that's how love is shown to me.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes, 100%.

[Amy Poehler]

And it is just like some families, it's wild. Some families don't do that.

[Billie Eilish]

I can't even believe that. Some people don't do that.

[Amy Poehler]

Some people don't do that. Don't do that.

[Billie Eilish]

Sometimes, like, I feel like people enter my life and I start to like, absolutely just go in on them for whatever thing I'm making fun. And they. And. And it's like I realize, like, oh, you. You don't do this. So it feels like I'm bullying you. Yes. But really I'm just trying to be.

[Amy Poehler]

I'm loving you.

[Billie Eilish]

I'm loving you. I'm loving you so much. Oh my God. Also, like laughing at your yourself as like the greatest, one of the greatest joys. And like, it Is.

[Amy Poehler]

And it's a sign of intelligence. But having a sense of humor about yourself, especially when you're all eyes are on you or when you're young person

[Billie Eilish]

super hard taking yourself too seriously is just the worst quality in the world.

[Amy Poehler]

It is, but. Is the worst quality.

[Billie Eilish]

But.

[Amy Poehler]

It is, but I understand, I have empathy for it because usually it comes from like, you know what, I saw it a lot at snl because you got people at their most nervous.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

And when people are nervous, like whatever is your shadow side comes out. Like either you get quiet or you get kind of mean to people or you get hectic or. And when you're nervous, like sometimes people just, they, they, they really tense up. They want to take things seriously because they want to do a good job.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

And you're like, I hate to break it to you, the secret is to be a big dummy and pretend that life is a dream. I know it's a hard lesson.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, it's like the whole thing that people talk about these days, which is so real, which is like embracing being cringe is, is literally allowing yourself to be happy and free. Like, like letting yourself be cringy or you know, you know when like, you know, a kid hits a certain age, like depending on the kid, like for me it was like probably 10 or 11 where they start going like, that's weird.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, that's weird. Why are you saying that? And you realize that they're, they're in. They're suddenly very of aware, you know, self conscious and aware and then thinking everything is weird and wanting to be cool and wanting to fit in in whatever way. I feel like letting that go is very hard and challenging and trying not to be cool.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

Is like so much cooler.

[Amy Poehler]

I know. But it's like you have to go through it to get there. And we've all been on both sides. We've been the 10 year old that's like, dad, don't pick me up at the mall. Like, don't come inside the mall. Please don't embarrass me.

[Billie Eilish]

But it's like sometimes the thing that might be embarrassing is like, what brings us the most joy of anything in the world. Like I was, I spent so many years when I started, you know, having this career that I wanted to like prove the kind of artist that I was. And you know, I wanted people to think of me in a certain way. And I feel like at a certain point I was just like, this is bringing me no joy at all. Like, this is not fulfilling to me in the Slightest at all. I mean, I wonder for you, like, at snl, because when I hosted a few years ago, I was. It. It is.

[Amy Poehler]

We're so good.

[Billie Eilish]

Thank you for saying that.

[Amy Poehler]

You actually did that?

[Billie Eilish]

Do you actually think so, Dude?

[Amy Poehler]

Yes, we. Okay, well, there are people that we hosted and that. And we're like, oh, like, they did a really nice job for them. Looks like they had a lot of fun. But you're genuinely funny.

[Billie Eilish]

Thank you. God. I mean, I mean, it was so scary. But my question to you, though, I mean, and like, I love snl, but the vibe was very intense.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

And the whole week leading up, I was like, why is nobody laughing at all? Because I was like, isn't this show about laughing? But it's so serious. And I think everyone is, like, wants to keep their job at the same time. Yeah. That show is, like, it's some serious.

[Amy Poehler]

A lot of people auditioning to keep their job.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

And it's like an emergency room. Like, sometimes the emergency room days are, like, fun, and you're, like, goofing around, and other days you're just like, oh, everybody's scrambling around.

[Billie Eilish]

And I like that you're conferences and emergency.

[Amy Poehler]

I mean, it's as fun as an emergency frontline worker.

[Billie Eilish]

They have fun.

[Amy Poehler]

Wait, but you, you are a huge fan of comedy, and you've talked about this a million times, but you have watched the Office Girl. How many times? For real? Cause is it. It says 30 times.

[Billie Eilish]

It's over that now. So what? Well, because I don't ever stop and I never have it on a living. Well, when you asked earlier, I meant to say to your question about, like, humor and grow.

[Amy Poehler]

How did you.

[Billie Eilish]

You know, a big part of that was the Office. I mean, I started watching the Office when I was like 11 or 12.

[Amy Poehler]

And that's what it's interesting about. Cringe. Because you're right. I mean, the, like, Gen Z, their relationship to cringe has been really interesting to watch. They were really afraid of it. Then shows embrace it. Like their favorite comedies embraced it. And they almost got to experience it vicariously through someone else. I mean, Michael Scott is the ultimate cringe journey.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes. 100%.

[Amy Poehler]

He's like, oh, my God, you're dying for him. And then by then, you're like, or he's like Buddha. Literally.

[Billie Eilish]

Or teaching himself to live. Literally. Like the most tender. I mean, that's what I think is so genius about the whole show and Michael Scott as a whole is that he is so awful. But you, you. He's so undeniably you can't help but love him and feel for him and see yourself in him weirdly and like,

[Amy Poehler]

kind of aspire to be. Aspire to be as open book as him. At the end of the day.

[Billie Eilish]

I think that the amount of times at this point, I mean, I said 30, probably like four years ago. So I probably rewatched the whole series like three or four times a year. Sorry. It's up. It's. If not more. Sorry.

[Amy Poehler]

So Jenna took a little Adderall the other day and added up the. Added up the hours of what that is.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, God.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh. Do you know that it's like 92 days straight?

[Billie Eilish]

No.

[Amy Poehler]

I guess my question to you is, like, have you tried Parks and Rec? And do you.

[Billie Eilish]

I love Parks.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, God.

[Billie Eilish]

I love Parks and Rec.

[Amy Poehler]

I'd love for you to check it out.

[Billie Eilish]

Shows of all time. Get the hell out of here. I love Farks and Rec.

[Amy Poehler]

I would love for you to check it out.

[Billie Eilish]

You in Parks and Rec is one of the greatest performances in history and everybody knows it. And that is one of my top five shows. So moving on.

[Amy Poehler]

But I feel you. Well, getting back to the Office and just that I. Okay. Also, I would say that the idea that TV shows are like a comfort and a way to self soothe.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

Is really, really. I really relate. I think a lot of people relate, especially comedy, because there's something about the way in which there's a tiny bit of conflict. People aren't supposed to get along. They figure it out, they go on with their day, everybody's okay. And then if you rewatch it and rewatch it and rewatch it, you know how it's gonna.

[Billie Eilish]

Dude.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

100%. This is. This is my exact experience. Exactly what you're saying.

[Amy Poehler]

Because I'm soothing.

[Billie Eilish]

100. It's a self soothing, like, knowing the end. No anxiety thing.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

It's like. Yeah. Because I have trouble watching movies that are. I have trouble watching. Doing anything that's new. Watching entertainment that is new.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

Because I feel like it's like an adhd. I just. All I do is rewatch the same movie, the same show, the same meal, listen to the same song over and over in a way that like. Like, it's like a little bit over the top.

[Amy Poehler]

Well, it depends on how you frame it. Right.

[Billie Eilish]

If someone else was there, they're like, you know, but when I'm alone, obviously, it's the most amazing thing in the world.

[Amy Poehler]

What TV show do you watch? The Office. Over and over. What movie do you watch over and over? What meal do you eat? Over and over.

[Billie Eilish]

Amazing questions. The Office. Over and over.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

New girl. Over and over.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, my God.

[Billie Eilish]

Movie like Ferris Bueller's Day Off. I've seen an unbelievable amount of times. Over the hedge. I have seen so many times.

[Amy Poehler]

Wait, over the hedge.

[Billie Eilish]

Over the hedge. Steve Carell plays a squirrel.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, it's an animated movie.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, it's an animated movie. It's unbelievably amazing. I've forced so many people to watch it. Spirit. Unbelievable film. Have seen it so many times. Animated. It's animated. It's a horse.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, Spirit. The horse movie.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

You're a horse girl.

[Billie Eilish]

I am a horse girl.

[Amy Poehler]

And you prove my theory. Jennifer Lawrence was in here. She's a horse girl.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes, I know.

[Amy Poehler]

Horse girls have beautiful hair.

[Billie Eilish]

I did see you say that.

[Amy Poehler]

And you've got great hair. You always have. And horses. You're part horse also.

[Billie Eilish]

It was the year of the horse born. The year you were.

[Amy Poehler]

And this is the year of the horse.

[Billie Eilish]

That's true.

[Amy Poehler]

Fire horse. The fire horse.

[Billie Eilish]

You have beautiful hair, too.

[Amy Poehler]

Thank you so much. Do you like horses? I don't have beautiful hair. Thank you, though. I don't like horses. They scare the shit out of me. I love them.

[Billie Eilish]

Have you ridden them?

[Amy Poehler]

I. I reluctantly have ridden them. I. I rode one recently with my son in Iceland A couple years ago,

[Billie Eilish]

I was like, you know what? I'm gonna ride.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah, I'm gonna like. And I. The whole time, I was like, I cannot wait to get on. It hurt so bad. It hurt physically? Yeah, it hurt my.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, the who's. The who's and the ha's. It does hurt. My.

[Amy Poehler]

My inner leg, upper butt, front butt region.

[Billie Eilish]

Front butt. Dude, it hurt. Well, like anything. You get used to that.

[Amy Poehler]

That's true. And then you're a champion. Okay? You have had the phrase youngest used on you constantly. The youngest to reach 100 million Spotify streams, youngest winner, album of the year, record of the year, youngest person ever to win two Academy Awards in any category.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my God.

[Amy Poehler]

Do you. Is it kind of nice to reach your 20s and be a little bit away from that kind of young, wunderkindi like, vibe?

[Billie Eilish]

Dude, do you know what I mean? What's that?

[Amy Poehler]

I mean, you're still very young. Yes, but you're also not.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, I guess I never, like, thought that I would ever not be a teenager. Like, it's not like I, like. I don't know. I just was like, this will be me forever. There's no other. You know, I remember When I was like, 17, I was like, okay, and I am the person I will be forever right now. And it's just not how it works, obviously. And I am so excited to age, and I'm so excited for my face to age and my body to age and not change it, you know? And I want my kids to look at me and have my face look like their face and not be some botched version of whatever the fuck is going on out there right now. You know what I'm saying?

[Amy Poehler]

So, anyways, yes. And what's really wild about you being like, when I was 17, I thought I was the person I was you at 17. We, like, saw you get a cake when you were 17 right in the, in the dock, you know, like, happy 17th birthday.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my God. Yeah, you're right.

[Amy Poehler]

And so you. Not only are you figuring yourself out, but everybody's watching you figure it out. And there's, you know, I'm saying the obvious, but we all go through versions of ourselves privately. You had to go through versions of yourself publicly. And you also had to. Whatever change you decided to make that day affected a bunch of people. It's not like you were like, I'm gonna cut my hair now. And everyone's like, we gotta. The posters or whatever. Like, it becomes a thing where you trying new versions of yourself. Everybody else weighs in on that or has something.

[Billie Eilish]

How?

[Amy Poehler]

Because from minute one, Billy, from when I saw you to now, there was some kind of inner governor, a voice that you would, it felt like, check in with to make decisions. Who is that? Where is that? Where does that come from? Is that true? Is that how you make decisions? Do you go to your gut first? How do you make decisions?

[Billie Eilish]

Wow, these are amazing questions. Oh, my God.

[Amy Poehler]

Thank you.

[Billie Eilish]

You are absolutely.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, my God.

[Billie Eilish]

Eating it up right now. Wow. I feel like it is a gut thing. I think that weirdly, as much as it was a strain on my youth becoming famous at 14, 13, 14, 15, I weirdly do think that I had that element of teenage carelessness.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah, right.

[Billie Eilish]

Even though I was self conscious and very, you know, trying to be cool, I also was myself in a way that I look back on. And I'm like, so grateful that I was that way. And I think that, weirdly, I'm glad that it happened when I was so young, because. And I think that it is attributed also, I have to say, to just the person that I've always been since I was a little kid. Just very strong willed and very, very bossy. Extremely bossy and very needing Things to go my way. And also being very honest and blunt, I guess.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

And so I think when I started doing interviews or, you know, being asked any kind of question, I was just very, very honest. And I also. I did PR training when I was 14, and I sobbed through it. I hated it so much. It was literally, like, the scariest shit of all time.

[Amy Poehler]

What made it so scary? I was just like, what made you sob? I.

[Billie Eilish]

First of all, the woman who did it to me was like, I would. She know. She would ask me a question, because this is how PR training works.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay. I should. I should know this.

[Billie Eilish]

Did you do PR training?

[Amy Poehler]

No, obviously not.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, I only did one session, and it was, like, under an hour, and I sobbed and I left. And I did not follow any of the rules after that. Yeah, but. But basically, like, she'll. You know, they'll tell you what you should say or the kind of direction you should go, and. And then they'll ask you the question, like, pretending you're in an interview. And so I would start answering the way I would want to answer, and she would, like, kind of cut me off and be like, no, no, you need to start saying this, or, no, you should be saying this. Don't say that. Don't give them that. And it was important for me to learn, and I'm glad I learned it. But similar to learning to drive safely, it's good to know how to drive safely so that you can use your. The. So that then you can. This is really a bad analogy, but. So then you can bend the rules according to. Yeah, no, I hear safety, but, like, you know. You know, what is safe and good and. Right. But then I'm gonna go be, you know, precise about, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. Do you know what I mean?

[Amy Poehler]

Absolutely. It's like you're figuring out your own boundaries, like, figuring out within those boundaries how to play.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes.

[Amy Poehler]

Authenticity is, like, major for you. It's like. It's like what you're looking for. It's what you want to put out into the world. And, like, you feel it, and you just kind of can't fake it.

[Billie Eilish]

I know.

[Amy Poehler]

And it's probably a little painful when you're not being authentic. I hate it. Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

I hate it. And I think when things get more mainstream and then more people who aren't your fans are looking at you and hearing becomes scary. I mean, I feel, like, sad thinking back. Not even thinking back, just thinking about how I've definitely, like. Like 80, 75% come down on my. My. Not honesty, but my sharing of myself. I used to be literally, like 99 complete, like, over sharing with the entire world. Yeah. Which I loved because I also. I am a fan, and I've always been a fan. Like, my. My. I'm a horse girl, and I am a fan girl, and I always have been. And these are like.

[Amy Poehler]

And you were a believer.

[Billie Eilish]

I was a Belieber.

[Amy Poehler]

And you let everyone into that, like, tender place.

[Billie Eilish]

But I did it specifically because I knew that as a fan, I wanted my favorite artists to do that. I wanted realness and honesty, and I do that.

[Amy Poehler]

You make people feel that way. I mean, your lyrics make people feel so seen, Billy. Like, so, like, there's a reason why. Okay, I'm gonna praise and praise you again. Like. Like, when we're. When I go to your show. I went to your show and, like. And, like, everyone's singing, you know. You know, you make me hate this city. Like, you know, and everybody's like, those. Like, those. Let's take that song. Let's take that song.

[Billie Eilish]

Hold on. Okay. Okay.

[Amy Poehler]

Hold on. I'm gonna sing the entire song to you.

[Billie Eilish]

Let's go.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay. But that moment. Oh, my God. This is not okay. I have to break some news. This is not my laptop. I forgot my laptop. This is Sam's laptop. And I'm completely stressed out, okay? And for those people watching, this laptop is bigger than my usual laptop, and

[Billie Eilish]

they probably already noticed that.

[Amy Poehler]

And don't write in no comments about laptop. I'm so old. I gotta read it. Okay, okay, but when you said. Okay, but when you were like. When you say, because I never treat me this shitty, you made me hate this city. I don't talk shit about you on the Internet. When you're singing it. When you're singing it and I'm singing it, you're making. You're. You're being like. You're speaking plainly, I guess, is the way to say it. You're not hiding behind some, like, objects or metaphors. And that authenticity, it's like. It's like a direct hit between the audience and you. Like, your lyrics are so fucking great. I guess my question is. I guess I have to give you a question. How do you write lyrics?

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, gosh, terrible question.

[Amy Poehler]

Forget it. Let's sing more.

[Billie Eilish]

Okay.

[Amy Poehler]

Cause that shit's embarrassing. I mean, that shit's embarrassing. It is, bitch.

[Billie Eilish]

It is. It really is.

[Amy Poehler]

That shit's embarrassing. You were my everything. Like, it's so real. Everybody felt that. Feels that.

[Billie Eilish]

Thank you. With your lyrics.

[Amy Poehler]

But I am genuinely curious. Like, do you write a lyric? And then you go, that's too. I feel the way about dialogue. Sometimes I'll write something, I'll be like, nobody talks like that.

[Billie Eilish]

Right, right.

[Amy Poehler]

Like, nobody's gonna say that.

[Billie Eilish]

I mean, dialogue to me is really impressive to write. Like, I don't understand how you do that. That to me, I can't, like, fathom writing a script at all. Like, I don't. Yeah, I don't know why. I think I just. I have a similar feeling to, like, how people act, talk to me who, you know, have never made music or are musical at all, where they're like, how do you possibly do that? Like, I can't begin to fathom how to write dialogue.

[Amy Poehler]

Right, so. But I've watched you write lyrics, and you've let us watch you write it, and it feels like you're doing a similar thing, which is like. It's like you try on a lyric and you're like, is that real? Like, you're asking yourself, is that a real thing? Even though it's not always about a real thing. It's just like. Like, does that lyric feel right in my head, like, singing it out loud?

[Billie Eilish]

Well, so my answer to this is interesting because I don't like writing music.

[Amy Poehler]

I've heard you say it, I have

[Billie Eilish]

said many times, and I have grown to like it so much more over the years. And honestly, like, growing up and becoming an adult and not worrying about being cool really has helped me write music, because a big part of making anything and especially music is allowing it to be bad before it's good. It's like, so many things. It's like, literally anything. And I think, like, it's so hard when you want to be good at something, and especially when you have the pressure of people seeing it and you're like, well, it has to be good. So I can't even. I can't let this be bad for even one second. It'll stop you from doing it at all. And so I, like, my love is singing. Singing is like my true, true soulmate. Singing is the thing that I love more than anything in the world. And having songs that I have written to sing is the goal. Like, that's what I love about writing music. And also when I am. Because I write everything with my brother, and I write alone every now and then, but it doesn't bring me joy when I write it alone. And also, I'm too critical, and I'm like, it's just frustrating for me. And when I Work with my brother. Like I was saying to somebody, you know, because somebody said, like, are you making an album right now because you want to make a new album or because you're required in your contract, too? And I was like. Like, I've never thought about that once.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And I feel that I'm lucky to feel that way because I don't care if it's because I have to. It's actually like, any excuse to hang out with my brother. I'll take.

[Amy Poehler]

Come on.

[Billie Eilish]

And we get to make music that we both love. And I think that what's interesting about not loving the process of writing music is I love the outcome so much.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

I love my music more than any other music. And I. I think that. That. I think that people hear that and think, like, what the heck? Like, oh, you're listening to your own music, and it's like, well, yeah, that's why I make it. I. It's like. It's like, similar to, like, I make my own perfume because I really like the smell of it and I want to wear it. Yes. You know, so I make music to listen to it, to enjoy it, and to sing it. It's my favorite thing in the world.

[Amy Poehler]

You're so good at singing. Than good that you like the thing that you're so good at.

[Billie Eilish]

Thank God.

[Amy Poehler]

No kidding.

[Finneas O'Connell]

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[Amy Poehler]

We just haven't found the steps yet.

[Finneas O'Connell]

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[Billie Eilish]

Enough.

[Amy Poehler]

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[Finneas O'Connell]

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[Amy Poehler]

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[Billie Eilish]

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[Billie Eilish]

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[Billie Eilish]

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[Amy Poehler]

I like to ask singers this. We had Haley, whatever friends we text. Whatever we're friends, we text.

[Billie Eilish]

Not a big deal. How I feel about her too.

[Amy Poehler]

Very cool and totally not. Don't make a big deal out of it. But I asked her this and I like to ask what, like, your first relationship to your voice? Like when you were like, I like my voice. Do you remember? You must have been a tiny one because you were singing at a very young age and you were encouraged to sing a lot. But that thing when you sing and you think like, whatever's coming out is like.

[Billie Eilish]

Is kind of good. Yeah, is good. Whoa.

[Amy Poehler]

Do you remember a feeling of that?

[Billie Eilish]

Well, it's so interesting because I have been singing for my entire life. Like, I don't. There was never a beginning. It was just I was singing and singing and singing and I grew up in a very musical household. Piano always being played, guitar being played. You know, my mom was a songwriter and you know, Phineas started writing songs before I did. He was older than me and so there was always music around and so I was very encouraged to sing. I think, you know, I was homeschooled. But in the homeschool community. There's, like, you know, DIY talent shows type stuff. There's, like, homeschool talent shows. And it was the only thing I looked for. I. Literally, all I wanted to do was be on a stage singing or dancing.

[Amy Poehler]

It was like a little baby Coachella that you were getting ready for. Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And the first song I sang was Tomorrow from Annie, of course. And I think I was like. Like, eight. Or. Wait, no, six. I think I was six. And then. Right. I don't know. I have a hard time with numbers. Ages, but that I remember. Like, I don't even think I did. But I loved it so much. And the feeling of the crowd cheering was just the greatest thing. But I think my relationship to my voice, like, I. This is gonna sound weird, and I hope it doesn't sound like, pick me. Cause I really mean it.

[Amy Poehler]

No more cringe. It's over. No more pick me.

[Billie Eilish]

No more cringe. No more. Yeah, you're right. But I never, like. I didn't think of myself as a singer. I just loved to sing. And then I remember, like, when I was about 11, like, Finneas would, you know, be with his friends and sometimes be like, well, my sis. My little sister has a really good voice. And I'd be like, what? And then he'd be like, billy, sing the beginning of Baby by Justin Bieber. And I would, like, be like. I would be like, whoa, whoa. And his friends would be like, oh, you know, she's pretty good.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And I remember, like, doing it once and, like, messing it up. And I was like. I was so upset because, really, I wanted to be a dancer. That was, like, my thing.

[Amy Poehler]

I know. And. And.

[Billie Eilish]

And they would, like, make me sing at, like, the dance sleepover. Like, they'd be like, billy, go up and sing. And I was too embarrassed. But then I would.

[Amy Poehler]

That. I mean, that's like the. You're, like, the athlete that, like, played basketball. And then, like, was like, I think I also like baseball. And you're like, win the World Series. You were such a good dancer.

[Billie Eilish]

I was barely a good dancer. I was, like. Loved dancing so much.

[Amy Poehler]

What was your thing? Were you ballet?

[Billie Eilish]

I started dancing because I loved tap dancing.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, come on, Billy.

[Billie Eilish]

So I was a tapper. What? Yeah, I was a tapper. And then once I started getting into tap, I was like, ooh, I like this cute. And then I started doing hip hop, and I loved hip hop. And then I would do contemporary, so those are my top three. And then, because I fell in love with dance I was like, well, now I have to do ballet to be part of the other stuff, because it was required. And then jazz and then lyrical.

[Amy Poehler]

And have you ever had a thing of, like, maybe I'll dance when I sing?

[Billie Eilish]

Right. When I started getting good, I got a horrible injury, and then I was not allowed to dance, and I never danced ever again.

[Amy Poehler]

Whoa.

[Billie Eilish]

What? Except I started dancing recently. Again, I'm in, like, a.

[Amy Poehler]

You did?

[Billie Eilish]

I'm in, like, a class every now and then. That's cool. Which is really cute.

[Amy Poehler]

That's very cool. What did you injure, if you don't mind?

[Billie Eilish]

I injured my hip, but basically that took me out. Whoa.

[Amy Poehler]

That's so intense and so interesting. Like, how life. Like, so that opens the door to the thing that you love doing anyway, right?

[Billie Eilish]

Well, dude, what's crazy about the timing of it is that I started getting really serious with dance when I was 12. No, 13. And I, like, I dyed my hair platinum white that year. And then Finneas was like, dude, should we make a SoundCloud page for fun? And, like, maybe make some songs and put them out for fun, like, for our friends to play or whatever. And so at the same time, as I was getting really serious about dance, we had this idea. We recorded, like, some little stupid songs. And then. And one of my dance teachers, Fred Diaz, said, and I've told this story before, but literally, the older I get, the more insane it is. He was like, billy, stay behind after class one day. And he was like, can you and Phineas make a song so that I can choreograph a dance to it and we can do it for the recital next year? And I was so excited. And I thought, you know what? Finneas just wrote a song that I think is called Ocean Eyes. Maybe it could be that one. I go home, I'm like, finneas, Fred wants us to make a song. Let's make it as, like, danceable as possible. We went home, we recorded Ocean Eyes, which he had written for his band, and he said it didn't feel right and he wanted me to sing it anyway. So we were already kind of gonna do that anyway. We went to put it on SoundCloud. It had a free download link up. Anyone could download it for free. And we only put it on SoundCloud to send an easier link to the dance teacher. And so we did. And then, like, that week, I was getting ready for competition, and then a week later, Finneas called me and he was like, billy, Ocean Ice has a thousand streams. A thousand and we were cheering and we were screaming, and I was like, this is the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me. This is all I could ever dream of. Couple weeks go by, it starts getting bigger and bigger. Like, Fred starts choreographing a dance to it. Competition is the next week. Things are getting bigger. It's like Hilly Dilly is posting it and, like, you know, New Music Friday or whatever, and, like, all these new. These new outlets, and we were getting reached out to by these labels and stuff. And then it's the last rehearsal before my first dance competition of the season. I have a solo in each combo. I was so excited. We were done with rehearsal. We were about to leave, and our teacher was like, wait, let's do one more just to film it. And so we did one more, and we filmed it. And in the middle of my little twerk, literally 12 years old, I'm like. My hip is like. And I got injured. And then I was, poof. Laying on the floor. Couldn't walk, couldn't dance. Definitely couldn't do anything and was basically, like, bedridden for at least a week. And then I was on crutches, and I literally never danced again.

[Amy Poehler]

You missed the whole competition.

[Billie Eilish]

Every single competition. I didn't get to do one.

[Amy Poehler]

Billie, I have chills right now, because

[Billie Eilish]

then that week, I went to all these meetings in my crutches. I met with Interscope. I met with all these different booking agents. I had my crutches. I was like. And I was so sad. I can't believe I missed a competition.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, my God. I mean, there's people listening to this right now who are gonna be, like, having just missed something that they think is the biggest thing in their life.

[Billie Eilish]

In their life. It's pretty wild. They're gonna be like, I have chills, too. That's.

[Amy Poehler]

So that is why I've chosen my own story. The universe decided in that, like, sliding doors moment of, like, we're gonna. We're gonna stop. We're gonna interrupt this program. And there's no deeper, like, sadness of then thinking, I. I'm not gonna get to do the thing that's right in front of me that I'm supposed to do. And then, like, this little hey, over here kind of thing happening.

[Billie Eilish]

Whoa. When you think something is ruining your life and it's really actually saving your life.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes. And I like that you're dancing again, because there must be a little bit of trauma, honestly, around all of it. So, like, you're just. You're coming back as an adult going back and being like, okay, maybe I can do this again as like a version that feels good to me, like, where I can revisit it.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, it's been really nice.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And it's so non pressure, you know, it's just. Well, we do need you to compete

[Amy Poehler]

because we need you to do that. We need you to finish that routine.

[Billie Eilish]

You're right.

[Amy Poehler]

I mean, that would be. The movie is like, you go back

[Billie Eilish]

out there competitions to Encore in Las Vegas with all the other teenagers.

[Amy Poehler]

And I mean, I know we all, like, all of our stuff comes from our family, but it is all of our stuff comes from our family. And I imagine in that moment, I'm like really feeling for your mom in that moment. Right. Like she's got the saddest kid and both your parents.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

Like the saddest Billy who's missed this

[Billie Eilish]

brokenhearted little and in pain.

[Amy Poehler]

And then also your brother being like, hey, let's do this, sister. And then it catching on and watching your family dynamic and again, I don't know. But having the privilege of getting to see you interact with each other, I feel like the way in which you all kind of see support those moments, like the big moments and the low moments, like, that's very special.

[Billie Eilish]

I know.

[Amy Poehler]

Very special.

[Billie Eilish]

It's really special. And I feel so. In hindsight and present day, so, so grateful for that because I think I didn't. I didn't even realize what I had because I already had it. And so I didn't know there could be another option. And I think that seeing, you know, sometimes like some other people who maybe didn't have that support, having to go through all of this stuff alone is really. It really. I just really feel for them. And I feel like, thank God I had my mom. Thank God I had my brother, especially thank God I had my dad and the home that we. That I grew up in, you know, and like my dog, you know, like, these are all things that really.

[Amy Poehler]

I like that you bring up your dog a lot.

[Billie Eilish]

I love dogs.

[Amy Poehler]

Do you still have your dog?

[Billie Eilish]

Like, she passed away a couple years ago, but she was old as all hell. She was so old. God damn it.

[Amy Poehler]

Her.

[Billie Eilish]

Her legs were. It was like this kind of situation.

[Amy Poehler]

What's. What was her name? And tell us about. Your name was Pepper.

[Billie Eilish]

And she lived to like 16. She was old, as I'm telling you. Yeah, she was a mutt. She looked just like Petey from the Little Rascals, which I loved. I loved Little Rascals as A kid, she had like, she was a pit bull mix and she had like a circle around her eye. If I didn't have, you know, a dog with reactive issues, I would literally have 17 dogs. Like, I have a dog. He's the sweetest boy in the whole wide world. His name is Shark. He's the sweetest boy. He loves people, he loves his dog friends. He just has, he has a lot of reactive issues. Yeah. And he has since, I mean, I had him since he was five weeks old. So it's interesting. Like, I always thought, you know, a dog is the way they are because of how they were raised. And to an extent that is true. But they're like people also. And we are the way we are no matter what anybody does. And he just has, like, he's just really anxious. He's very, very anxious. And when he sees a dog that he doesn't know, he sees it as

[Amy Poehler]

a threat or something.

[Billie Eilish]

But, you know, if I introduce him in the right way to other dogs, then it's all perfect.

[Amy Poehler]

But of course, like, of course you would be a person that would be able to handle something like that and understand that.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my God. Yeah. But I think the difference is, like, he's, he's a big gray pit bull mix. And so the difference in having a reactive, bigger, stronger, more marginalized breed when they have anxiety and reactive behavioral issues is there's so much more of a stigma against them. And people already like, the, the, the stigma against the bully breed and everything within there is, is so messed up. It's like, you know, someone can have like a little tiny Chihuahua. I love Chihuahuas. I love all dogs. But like, someone might have like a little dog who's like literally biting everyone. And like, and it's like. And it just kills me, like my reactive dog owners out there. Yeah, you are seen. You are loved. It's a lot of work. But I have like, also, also, you know, I think it's like I have such a love for animals.

[Amy Poehler]

It makes sense to me that you're an empathetic, creative, open hearted person living in a family that tries to be that way too, that you're trying to pay attention to that too. Also, if I may, and I'm sure you get this projected on you a lot, but the specialness of your relationship with you and Phineas, like, it's, it's like, it's really delicious because it's kind of like every, it's like watching a healthy, it's like watching healthy siblings and watching like just a man Support a woman that just even that, like, I know. Forget them being related. Just like a very, very talented, self possessed.

[Billie Eilish]

I know.

[Amy Poehler]

Self actualized man. Being very happy for a woman's success is already just like, we're all like

[Billie Eilish]

really hungry for it. I know.

[Amy Poehler]

Like, and just like speaking nicely about women. We're all just like looking for. And then the way that you guys speak about each other.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah. It's truly a magical gift that I've been given by who knows what, you know, my parents.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

Something else.

[Amy Poehler]

But you work a little differently.

[Billie Eilish]

We do.

[Amy Poehler]

Is it hard when you're working differently? Do you argue?

[Billie Eilish]

We argue, but we. But it's very. It's not like real argue. It's not. I, like, don't know how to put it. I think we go through periods of, you know, being not on the same wavelength. Like, we're in different periods of our lives and that's when we can kind of butt heads a little bit. But even then, I mean, like, we got into like, nothing. Like something that was so didn't need to be an argument. And like, literally we sat there and I said, can we go make music now? And he's like, yeah. And we went downstairs and we made a song and it was. We were laughing and giggling and talking. And I was just thinking that day I was like, it is truly amazing that we can do that. Totally. And it's amazing that, that you know. And I know all siblings have different relationships and that's a rare thing to have with a person, especially like a sibling. And you work with them, but it is kind of the blessing of working with your sibling because you can't. You can't break up with your sibling. It's not like, yes, this is true. But I guess, I mean, like, the arguing. It's like you can say something so hurtful.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

Especially like a little sister. I can say something insane to Finnean.

[Amy Poehler]

You. You have.

[Billie Eilish]

And I have.

[Amy Poehler]

I sure have.

[Billie Eilish]

And.

[Amy Poehler]

And also it's like sometimes I bet the challenge is to make sure you're not. You're like, not too rough on each other.

[Billie Eilish]

Yep. For sure.

[Amy Poehler]

Because the more familiar you are, the more thinking of that amazing scene in your doc work in the kitchen where Finneas is like, I think we should just finish the record. And you're like, the record is bad. This sucks. And your mom is like, or. Right. I think you can learn from each other, you know, like, perfect mom. Like, I think Phineas has something that you need building.

[Billie Eilish]

I know. Bless her heart.

[Amy Poehler]

And your dad is Like, I'm gonna go outside and fix the car. And you're all representing the voices in, like, a creative process.

[Billie Eilish]

Basically.

[Amy Poehler]

You're all representing that you're. And you're all those things at once. And you would probably not say to someone you were working with, like, that was bad. That sucks.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

It's not good. It's lame.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah. Or like, anything that I say to him, it's like, we can. We can literally jump all of the, like, yes. Polite greatness. You know, we don't have to be, like, saving feelings. And, you know, I can literally just be like, God, that's stupid. You know, that's such a stupid idea. And he's like, well, you. You know, it's like, it's. It's. It. It just works like that. And I feel like I'm also just, you know, in another life, the life that we didn't have this happen to us, I would have maybe gone to college and moved away or moved away in general. And what would, you know, I talk to friends or see online people talking about how they don't live with their sibling anymore and they don't get to see their sibling. And it's like, you live completely different lives. And I just feel so grateful that I get to live a life where my brother is a constant part of my life.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And that I don't have to live in a different state than my brother and that I don't have to, like, never see him and not have, you know, And I think that's usually how it goes. And I just. I feel really lucky in that way. And like you said, his. He is, like, just aside from how talented and incredible he is and how he is, like my best friend and he's loves me so much. I know Billy. He's just the greatest brother in the world. And the way that he has looked

[Amy Poehler]

out for me, he's a big time protector. So he wanted me to ask you a question.

[Billie Eilish]

He did?

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah. And I feel like it's a. It's a. It's a fake. I feel like it's a funny story. It's a fake question. Okay. What is tomato biscuit soup? And how did you lose it?

[Billie Eilish]

Wow. Okay. Wow.

[Amy Poehler]

Let's hear it.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, you know.

[Amy Poehler]

All right, I'll tell you.

[Billie Eilish]

I'll tell you exactly the answer. I. Okay. How far do I go? Well, I actually haven't talked about this. I was thinking literally last night how I haven't. Nobody knows this is happening. It's cute. It's very sweet. It's an innocent, sweet thing. For my birthday, I was given a little hamster. And she was a rescue from a house, a hoarder house that had 60 loose, free roaming hamsters everywhere. Being just in shit and like in stuff.

[Amy Poehler]

And she was rescued, won the lottery. And she is so cute. What's her name?

[Billie Eilish]

Her name is Tomato Bisque Soup. And wait,

[Amy Poehler]

this story's taking a turn.

[Billie Eilish]

So tomato, as we call her, she's a little dwarf hamster. She's literally this big. She is so goddamn cute, you wouldn't even believe it.

[Amy Poehler]

But she's used to being on the street. She's used to running around.

[Billie Eilish]

She's used to being on the street. Free roaming.

[Amy Poehler]

She's free.

[Billie Eilish]

She's wild. Not wild, but like living her life in her condition of tough. Yeah. So I, I got her on my birthday, which was December 18th, and I got her, like, I must have spent, you know, lots of money on like random, like, little, like, like I got her, like, little because they have to have enrichment. So they have a wheel and they have to have different levels. And I do it all myself. I'll show you. I will literally show you. Her house is insane. She lives in a mansion. Her house is so big. It's like literally like, like her house is like this big and this tall. Nice. And it's wooden, but so there's these little vents in the top corners of the house that are like this big. They're holes so they can breathe.

[Amy Poehler]

Even I know that hamsters can get through those holes.

[Billie Eilish]

It was a hamster house. Yeah. You think for a hamster.

[Amy Poehler]

You're right. You'd think that they would know that.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, and also it's up high, right. So they can't even. They can't climb up the wall. That's. We haven't met Tomato.

[Amy Poehler]

This.

[Billie Eilish]

So Tomato's wild little freaky self. So it's like a month since I've had her. I get home from a trip. I went on a little trip and I had, I had put her seeds out. And they're also nocturnal, so you usually don't see them in the day. And also they like to burrow. So like, sometimes I wouldn't see her. She's like, barely. You can't really. You're not always seeing her when she is there. But she loves pumpkin seeds, seeds so much. Like little pepitas. She loves them so much. And so I know that she's very happy if I put her pumpkin seeds and she immediately comes out. So before I had left, I put out some pumpkin Seeds. And then I came home many days later, and the pumpkin seeds were still there. God damn it.

[Amy Poehler]

Damn it.

[Billie Eilish]

And I thought, you know what?

[Amy Poehler]

And you pulled back a little cover, and she had made a little dummy, like, like, welcome to Alcatraz. She.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, my gosh.

[Amy Poehler]

She had escaped. It was like in Shawshank bodies her. And she pulled it to the side. She made a little tunnel.

[Billie Eilish]

I am. I pictured. I just thought, like, oh, she's. She's dug herself into a cute little tunnel. She's sleeping. Four days have gone by since the last sight of her. So anyway, one day.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, no.

[Billie Eilish]

I'm like, you know what? I'm going to look for her because I want to make sure she's there. Of course, obviously she's there, but I'm just going to make sure. So I fucking go. Where I keep her house is in my closet on this, like, shelf that's, like five feet up. And I take all of her houses out of her house. I take all of. There's these things called sprays, which are these, like, long plants that for enrichment. And I take them all out, and I.

[Amy Poehler]

No sign of her.

[Billie Eilish]

There's no sign of her. And I'm like, oh, what's going on? But I'm like, okay, but I still have to, like, dig through the bedding. Cause she likes to crawl into the paper bed wedding. And I'm, like, starting to, like, worry a little, but then I'm like, am I gonna find a little. A little body? And that was really freaking me out.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

But I'm like, I'm not. It's fine. She's gonna be in here. She's sleeping, whatever. And so I take everything out. It's only her bedding leftover. And I'm literally, like. It's like looking through a lake for a dead body. I was, like, literally, like, doing, like, one of these, like. Yeah. Fingers through everything. I take everything out, and she's nowhere to be seen. Gone. The bitch has literally vanished into th. There.

[Amy Poehler]

And your VCR was missing.

[Billie Eilish]

No, I'm kidding.

[Amy Poehler]

I'm just kidding, right?

[Billie Eilish]

The night that she was gone, I'm like, texting all my friends, like, she's gone. RIP. Love her so much. What the hell? One month of having a hamster and I already lost her into the walls. Like, what the hell? Yeah. And she could have gone anywhere. Like, truly anywhere. And I'm like, just as a Hail Mary, there's no way this is going to work. But I'm gonna put her wheel on the ground, and I'm gonna put her favorite seeds on the wheel, and I'm gonna put her little mushroom house on the ground, and I'm gonna put her bedding in it, and I'm gonna put her seeds in it. And, like, maybe a miracle will happen and she'll appear, she'll reappear. Of course, I don't think this is actually gonna happen. I go to sleep.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, my God.

[Billie Eilish]

I'm, like, looking at videos of her and. And we wake up, we're talking about, like, this is so sad. How did we do this? How could we do this to her? We failed her. We are horrible people. We lay in bed for an hour talking about, I can't believe we've done this. And I'm like, I'm gonna go get dressed. Also, like, let's go check on the sad little seeds we left out, right? I go into my closet, the fucking seeds are gone.

[Amy Poehler]

Gone. Dang.

[Billie Eilish]

And her bedding has been pulled out of her house that she. And that's. I know that that's like, a thing she does. She pulls out her bedding, her seeds are gone. And I'm like, dude, her seeds are fucking gone. Is she here? And I take some more seeds and I go, tomato. And I have a voice that she always comes out to. I go, tomato. Excuse me. Excuse me. Tomato. And I hear, no in the fucking wall. It has been four days that she has been missing. I hear this, and I take the seeds and I, like, lay them all around. And I literally keep hearing like, she fucking crawls out of the wall. I have literally chills. She crawls out of the wall and crawls right into my hand, and she's eating the seeds, and she's like, what up? Like, she's like, what up, bitch? Hey.

[Amy Poehler]

She's wearing a little sombrero.

[Billie Eilish]

She's been living in the walls of for four days with no food and no water, waiting for me to look for her and find her. Can you believe the story?

[Amy Poehler]

She's incredible.

[Billie Eilish]

She's amazing. So since then, I have gotten her a much bigger house with very thin.

[Amy Poehler]

I don't think she's been. I don't think she needs to be congratulated for escaping. Like, this is. This is like, supporting bad behavior.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, I know. You're right. She gets a bigger house. She got a bigger house. I felt bad. I felt like, oh, no. Did you not like living in this small house now? She's so happy. She literally, like, her life is amazing really quick. And then I'll shut up forever. Look at her house. Her house is insane. Wait, I just cleaned it up.

[Amy Poehler]

Yes. That's my worst nightmare is that I get a rodent and it goes into the walls.

[Billie Eilish]

So, okay, here is Tomato's giant mansion house. So, like, if you look, here's. So she has different level. She has her little tunnel where she

[Amy Poehler]

has a lot going on. Listeners. It's like there's a.

[Billie Eilish]

There's like.

[Amy Poehler]

It looks like a aquarium but with like outdoor seating. Oh, there's almost like a fire pit. Like if she had guests over.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah. Because I give her different bedding such that she has different textures.

[Amy Poehler]

It's really nice. Really nice textures, right? Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And then it looks like a beautiful la. She's spa. I mean, it is. Here's her on her wheel. Wait.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, she's really cute.

[Billie Eilish]

She's so freaking cute. And then here's me show. I bonked my knee. You can actually hear it happening.

[Amy Poehler]

She's running really fast.

[Billie Eilish]

Look at how nice this. And then here's the knee. This is what happened to my knee. So there's Finis's answer. That's Finnice's question. I'm glad he asked.

[Amy Poehler]

Asked.

[Billie Eilish]

There we go. Incredible story. And scene.

[Amy Poehler]

And scene. Okay, we're going to finish lightning round.

[Billie Eilish]

Finish.

[Amy Poehler]

Wait, but b. There's so much to talk about.

[Billie Eilish]

There's so much talk about.

[Amy Poehler]

We're going to get into a lightning round. Okay, go. Here we go. Just quick thoughts on these things. Tarantulas. Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes. Are you afraid of spiders?

[Amy Poehler]

I mean, I'm not afraid, but, you know.

[Billie Eilish]

But it's a spider.

[Amy Poehler]

It's okay. You know, I'm. I'm down, but I don't want to touch it or anything. But I'm glad you like it.

[Billie Eilish]

Uhhuh.

[Amy Poehler]

Horses. We talked about love Survivor. The show Survivor. Yes.

[Billie Eilish]

The show Survivor. I want I. They have my own Billie Eilish.

[Amy Poehler]

Just heard n they named the immunity idol after you.

[Billie Eilish]

It's a Billie Eilish idol. So basically, like, I wrote a letter to the contestants being like, like, here's your secret idol. If you use this idol, you can. You know, it's like what? You know, have you seen Survivor? You know, they have.

[Amy Poehler]

What do you love about Survivor?

[Billie Eilish]

I love imagining that I could one day do it.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

But I am so bad with like, like the math. Part of the problems are the things that I couldn't do.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

Like I could do the. I feel that I could do the physical stuff. I mean, I say that. Which.

[Amy Poehler]

Sure.

[Billie Eilish]

Who knows? Because it's so hard seeming. But like when they have to like solve the, you know. Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

I wouldn't be good at like, when people like, I have a little bit of like def. So if they were like, you have to do tooth. I'd be like, I don't have to do anything. I quit. I quit.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, I have the same thing.

[Amy Poehler]

I quit.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, I have the same thing.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay. Music you're listening to right now.

[Billie Eilish]

Honestly, I've been listening to Kate Bush this week.

[Amy Poehler]

It's me.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah, dude. Well, that just, it's. I just love the spooky whimsical of it all.

[Amy Poehler]

Isn't she incredible?

[Billie Eilish]

She's amazing. I like, didn't even know she was so amazing. I mean, Army Dreamers is so good. So good. Wuthering Heights. Oh my God.

[Amy Poehler]

Have you heard the Peter Gabriel,

[Billie Eilish]

the

[Amy Poehler]

song she sang with Peter Gabriel. Don't give up.

[Billie Eilish]

No. How does it go?

[Amy Poehler]

Hold on. I'm sure you've heard it.

[Billie Eilish]

Do you think they were.

[Amy Poehler]

I hope so. God, I hope so.

[Billie Eilish]

I just feel like this shoot where they're in a hug the entire song.

[Amy Poehler]

God, I hope so.

[Billie Eilish]

That's amazing.

[Amy Poehler]

It's, Isn't it so good?

[Billie Eilish]

Wow. Yeah, I don't, I'm not, I don't. Did not know Kate Bush was like that.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

Amazing.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay, we're gonna finish with two things. You have a big movie coming out and it is. I forgot that it's a concert. It's a movie about your. It's a, It's a concert movie.

[Billie Eilish]

Yes. So it's a, it's a concert film. Mainly there's like some behind the scenes, doc type type stuff. But specifically it is very cool. The show, the Hit Me Hard and Soft tour, filmed in 3D, which is awesome.

[Amy Poehler]

Really, really cool tour.

[Billie Eilish]

Really cool. Thank you. It's. I agree. I loved it so much. I just, I, I, A, I had the best time and B, it's like the best show I've ever made. So good. I just, I felt, I, I felt proud to call that my show every single night that I did it.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And I, I, I mourn the end of that tour and I'm excited for the next tour, but I am also like so, so grateful that we have it filmed forever. Like I will be able to watch it whenever I want forever in 3D. Feel like I'm there. And same goes for everyone who watches it. You know, people who didn't get to go to the show and they get to experience it or who did and want to re experience it anyway. Very exciting.

[Amy Poehler]

And what I love about that is, I like, I like to watch things. Things in my home early in the afternoon. Or like, I don't like to, like, shows are too late. I don't like to go out.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[Amy Poehler]

Shows are late.

[Billie Eilish]

Shows are super late and like, loud. And then you stand for so long.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And I like, I hate standing.

[Amy Poehler]

I hate I can't see anything.

[Billie Eilish]

I hate. I just hate standing. I hate the feeling of it. I love to sit.

[Amy Poehler]

Would you ever consider doing an afternoon show for people who like. That's a really good.

[Billie Eilish]

It's so funny. I've, like, never even. It's just such a. The thing you do. I never even thought about it. That's what's great about, like, music festivals, honestly. That's like, kind of what I miss about being on the earlier side of the. The lineup. Because you get to get. You get to go out there and the sun is out.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And like, it's beautiful. And then you get a night after. It's pretty nice.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

Maybe I'll do that someday. A little matinee.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh, my God, a matinee tour.

[Billie Eilish]

What's your bedtime?

[Amy Poehler]

Well, last night I had a fantastic sleep. Not to brag, but what did you get? What? What's your sleep? I'm very worried about your sleep.

[Billie Eilish]

Why?

[Amy Poehler]

You're a young person. That's true.

[Billie Eilish]

I used to be terrible with sleep. I. I never slept for some reason since last summer when I was in Europe for tour. Like, I had three different tour legs where I was gone and then home and then gone in Europe each time. But so because of that, I was like, really getting. Becoming an early bedtimer. And so since then, I've kind of. Kind of kept that up. Like to go to sleep before midnight every night, which used to be. Love this for you. Couldn't. I used to go to sleep, like, earliest 2:00am yeah. Usually three, maybe four.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

And now I'm like, if I can get in bed at like, 10.

[Amy Poehler]

Oh. I mean, can you believe that I can do that?

[Billie Eilish]

It's amazing. And.

[Amy Poehler]

And also sometimes, like, the, like, happiness is just one sleep away. Like, it just really is sometimes like the thing. The reason why my day is so bad, I love. Because I haven't slept one.

[Billie Eilish]

I love it. Honestly, like, when I got this aura ring, and this is not sponsored. I just. I love this aura ring, dude. And since I got it, I've been like, I. I really don't play about my sleep now. I really need my sleep.

[Amy Poehler]

Let me. As we finish up Because I know we've kept you, but, girl, I don't

[Billie Eilish]

have anything else to do.

[Amy Poehler]

Same.

[Billie Eilish]

Wait, I was just gonna say.

[Amy Poehler]

Okay, we gotta wrap this up.

[Billie Eilish]

Oh, I, I, oh, I'm. I feel like when I'm at a concert and people are talking really loud, loud. I will turn around and say, please shut up. Yeah, please shut the up. Or just like, be quiet, you know, like that, That I, I will do.

[Amy Poehler]

Yeah.

[Billie Eilish]

100. Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

Or a movie, not so much.

[Billie Eilish]

I'd be talking through a movie.

[Amy Poehler]

I'd be talking.

[Billie Eilish]

I know. Billy, I have to comment. I just.

[Amy Poehler]

That is your gen. You guys chat through everything. I have to watch.

[Billie Eilish]

This has done to me so much so many times. Has someone who I love dearly gone.

[Amy Poehler]

Right.

[Billie Eilish]

Because I can't shut the fuck up. Also, like, I'm a reactor.

[Amy Poehler]

Like, I will re.

[Billie Eilish]

I react audibly.

[Amy Poehler]

Let me remind people, like, I, I realize as I'm talking to you about this that, like, you have Tourette's.

[Billie Eilish]

Well, I was just gonna say that. I was just gonna say that I do have Tourette's. And, you know, I have vocal tics. But luckily for me and for everyone else, I. They're mostly just noises and I can keep them pretty quiet. Yeah, I go through phases of words becoming tics. But, you know, there's a thing called suppressing, if you ever heard of it. And you know, when I'm in an interview, I. I'm doing everything in my power to suppress all of my tics constantly. And as soon as I leave the room, I have to let them all out with whatever, you know, you have

[Amy Poehler]

helped me a lot, honestly, I'm realizing now as I'm talking to you and getting to know you, meeting you, you've helped me a lot with my own intrusive thoughts, which I didn't really know. You know, I didn't have that term growing up. I didn't quite know what it was.

[Billie Eilish]

Right.

[Amy Poehler]

And your, you having them in real time or talking about them or even just like softly joking about them. Like, the getting all the way full circle back to the idea of what we talked about the very beginning, which is like, coping mechanism and your self soothing, all that stuff and the way that you like, like that you feel like comedy is important for life, like we are living to laugh. It felt that way when I would have a thought that I just thought, like, this is a really bad thought. Yep, this is really bad. And this is. This one I'm gonna really never, ever, ever share, right? Like, ooh, this is. And it and it took me so long in my adult life to realize those were intrusive thoughts.

[Billie Eilish]

What?

[Amy Poehler]

They were. And you really, really helped me with that. Really? Yeah. Thank you for that. You really did.

[Billie Eilish]

You were an example. I just. I know it so well. God. Now imagine those intrusive thoughts, but your mouth has to say them loud.

[Amy Poehler]

Right.

[Billie Eilish]

And that is Tourette syndrome.

[Amy Poehler]

Right.

[Billie Eilish]

And I think what's troubling about the way that people do not understand what Tourette's is, like, when people are like, you know, if I, like, start having, like, a tick attack or whatever, like a lot of ticks in a row, and people are like, are you okay? You know, it's like, yeah, this is very much normal. Yeah. Like, you know, and also, like, well, I didn't notice. It's like, if you didn't see me tic today, you're not looking at my knees, which are ticking constantly under this table, and my, you know, elbows that are, like. I'm clenching my arms the entire time, and I'm. I'm doing this for the entire. And it's because I'm currently. Because I'm on camera and I'm having a conversation, and I'm trying not to be distracting. I am really doing it this whole time as fun as. I'm having, much fun as I'm having. I'm. I'm doing everything I can to suppress every single tick that's visible from the top of my head to about right here, you know, and that's like, how we as people with Tourette's pretty much spend our days. And some people don't even have the privilege of getting to suppress them at all in any way. And the not understanding of that is really frustrating as a person with Tourette's.

[Amy Poehler]

I bet. Thank you for. Thank you for educating me and us for real, because it's. It is. It's like just yet another example of what you do so generously.

[Billie Eilish]

Yeah.

[Amy Poehler]

You're really. You're a really generous person, Billi.

[Billie Eilish]

You.

[Amy Poehler]

You really, like.

[Billie Eilish]

So are.

[Amy Poehler]

You share. Thank you. You share what, you know, what you. What you're feeling or what you're going through. You share it with us. Like, we're very lucky that we get to hear things from you and hear.

[Billie Eilish]

And I'm really happy you did this. I'm such a fan of yours, and I am so beyond excited to be in this room with you and do this podcast. I love you so much. Thank you for.

[Amy Poehler]

Don't be weird, but I need to get your cell phone number. Let's Go. Thank you, Billie, for coming. Oh, my God.

[Billie Eilish]

Love you. I love you so much. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Good hang.

[Amy Poehler]

Thank you, Billie Eilish, what an amazing person and what a great conversation. Love talking to you and for this polar plunge. Look, it took everything I had not to sing Billie's songs back to her. I know that can make things awkward, but I just want to remind everybody of the perfect lyrics that are in Billie's songs. Specifically, happier than ever. Okay, because I just want to remind. Okay, I don't relate to you. I don't relate to you. No, because I'd never treat me this shitty. You made me hate this city. And I don't talk shit about you on the Internet. Never told anyone anything bad because that shit's embarrassing. Saying you were my everything. And all that you did was make me fucking sad. So don't waste the time I don't have and don't try to make me feel bad. Okay? Okay. This is the end of the. We gotta go, genius. Thanks for listening, everybody. Billy, you're a genius. Okay, bye. You've been listening to Good hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna White Berman and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by the Ringer and Paper Kite for the Ringer. Production by Jack Wilson, cat Spillane, Kaia McMullen and Aleah Zaneris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles. Your next chapter in healthcare starts at Carrington College's School of Nursing and Port Portland. Join us for our open house on Tuesday, January 13th from 4 to 7pm you'll tour our campus, see live demos, meet instructors and learn about our associate degree in nursing program that prepares you to become a registered nurse. Take the first step toward your nursing career. Save your spot now at Carrington. Edu Events. For information on program outcomes, visit carrington. Edu Sci.