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Pain can deepen us. It can make us more compassionate, thoughtful, and ready to care for others walking through their own valleys.

In Part 1 of Greg Laurie's conversation with Chuck Swindoll, they talk candidly about grief, calling, preaching, and the lessons God teaches through it all. Watch the rest of this episode on The Greg Laurie Show.

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