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Caroline
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Adam Gidwitz
Hey everyone, it's Adam Gidwitz from Grim Grimmer grimmest. On Sunday, October 26th, I'm going to be doing a special ticketed event live in Brooklyn. I'll be telling two grim fairy tales and we're going to invite kids to wear costumes. You can even get VIP tickets for an extra special meet and greet and Halloween costume showcase before the stories. Tickets are on sale@tinyurl.com a very grim story. That's tinyurl.com a very grimstory. I'll see you there.
Caroline
Pinna.
Adam Gidwitz
Hi, my name is Adam Gidwitz. I'm an author. I'm also a storyteller. I like telling all kinds of stories, but I especially like telling grim fairy tales. You may think you know Grimm fairy tales and you may think that they are sweet and boring, but listen, those tales you heard were the cute, happy little kid bedtime versions of the Grimm tales. The original Grimm fairy tales aren't like that at all. They're weird and sometimes gross and often scary. In other words, they're grim. And I'm about to walk into a classroom and tell one of the original grim grim tales to a bunch of kids. Do you want to join me? Do you want to hear a grim fairy tale? Let me help you decide. On a scale of Grim, Grimmer and Grimmest, this episode is Grimmer. Before they get better, things will get worse and bloodier for our brave hero. Caroline, if I get to a part of the story and you start to feel scared or uncomfortable, this is what you could do. You could turn down the volume and count to five. Then turn the volume back up. If it still seems like a part you don't want to hear, just turn the volume down and count to five again. You know how much weird and gross and scary you're ready for? You know what you need? Okay, I'm at the classroom door now. There are kids inside waiting to hear a grim fairy tale. So are you coming in Grim Grimmer Grimace?
Caroline
I'm just wondering, like, why is this story called the thirteen Tortoises it says nothing about the tortoises.
Adam Gidwitz
This story is called the 12 tortoises and we have not met a single tortoise. Not 12, not even one yet. Great point. The other thing to know about this story is that it is scarier than last time's story.
Caroline
What?
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Adam Gidwitz
This story is a continuation of the 12 tortoises. You'll remember that. It's by Franz Ksava von Schoenvert. So it's weird. As Caroline slept, the innkeeper's wife prepared a special stew. Once it was ready, she would throw Caroline in the stew, cook her until she was soft and tender, and then feed her to the hogs.
Caroline
Remember how I said that she was gonna eat her?
Adam Gidwitz
I do remember that.
Caroline
Our little bass come back to haunt us.
Adam Gidwitz
Yeah, totally. Caroline slept. And as she slept, she dreamed. She dreamed of the blue swan. And in that dream, the blue swan spoke to her. When you wake up, you will find a huge hog tied behind the inn.
Caroline
Cut off its head, then make your.
Adam Gidwitz
Way at once to the top of Glass Mountain. Your brother will be waiting for you there. The innkeeper's wife had finished chopping the herbs and carrots and potatoes for the stew. And it was all simmering on the stove. Now it was time for the most important ingredient.
Caroline
Now. Now.
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline. The innkeeper's wife turned toward the sleeping Caroline with a butcher's knife in her hand.
Caroline
She gonna cut the head off.
Adam Gidwitz
Ready to chop her head off like I said, and cut the meat from her bones. Suddenly, a voice came from the staircase. Hello? The innkeeper's wife turned around. The voice roused Caroline from her sleep too. Her eyelids fluttered and opened. Standing on the stairs was the innkeeper who looked like he'd just been woken from a 10 year nap. He had a long gray beard and he was frail and was trying to hide his eyes from the almost non existent light in the cabin. Why do you look so surprised? What are you surprised by?
Caroline
Because he woke up? Yeah. I just think that she might have set her husband to sleep too.
Adam Gidwitz
The innkeeper's wife hid the knife behind her back and said, oh, you're awake.
Caroline
Wonderful. Could I get you some hog's milk?
Adam Gidwitz
The innkeeper replied, mmm, yes. I'm very thirsty. I feel like I've been sleeping for 10 years.
Caroline
Oh, don't be silly. You've just been napping for a little while.
Adam Gidwitz
But Caroline realized that she had never actually seen the innkeeper the whole time she'd lived with the innkeeper's wife.
Caroline
Maybe she put him to sleep so he would not see what she was doing.
Adam Gidwitz
What an interesting theory. The innkeeper's wife poured some hog's milk in a dirty glass and the innkeeper drank it down. I'm feeling very sleepy again. I think I'll go back upstairs and lie down. Oh, you do that, said the innkeeper's wife. And then she turned back to Caroline and raised the butcher's knife over her head. Except Caroline wasn't there.
Caroline
What?
Adam Gidwitz
What?
Caroline
That's just crazy.
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline had snuck out the back of the inn while the innkeeper's wife was distracted with her sleepy husband. Behind the inn, Caroline saw the hogs in their pen. And one hog was about twice as big and fat as the others. And there was an axe for chopping wood wedged into the side of a tree. Caroline got the axe and raised it up over her head and closed her eyes and threw it down on the hog's neck. She heard a big squeal, and when she opened her eyes, she saw lying there headless and bleeding, not the hog, but the innkeeper's wife. Except her head was no longer attached to her body. Who can explain what happened? What was it? What is going on?
Caroline
I think the innkeeper's wife was the hog.
Adam Gidwitz
Somehow the innkeeper's wife was a hog.
Caroline
And that also explains why she cares about the hogs so much and she feeds them. Because if she feeds the hog, she's also like feeding herself.
Adam Gidwitz
I think that that's right.
Caroline
I think this is Hoga Yaga.
Adam Gidwitz
Instead of Baba Yaga. She's Hoga Yaga. I love that. It's so good. Inside the inn, the innkeeper woke from his nap with a start. He came outside to see what was going on. My wife. He shouted. But he didn't look so sleepy anymore. He looked angry. He started for Caroline, but she raised the bloody axe and he backed away. Caroline threw down the axe and ran. She ran through the darkest woods until she came across a man driving a horse drawn wagon. Please, Caroline begged the man, take me to Glass Mountain. The man hesitated. I never go to Glass Mountain. That's where the giants live.
Caroline
Please, I need to find my brother.
Adam Gidwitz
The man said, those giants are fierce, you know. They breathe fire and can roast a man quicker than you can say Franz Xava von Schoenvert. Caroline thought of her brother. If he was up there, she would go get him.
Caroline
She said, I'll take my chances.
Adam Gidwitz
And the man, for no reason I can understand, except maybe the determination and desperation shining in Caroline's face, gave a nod, lifted Caroline into his wagon and urged his horse to gallop at double speed, dragging the wagon up the treacherous road to the Glass Mountain.
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Soon trees and stones gave way to glassy ice and then just to glass. They rode on a slick glass road and the ground beneath their feet was transparent, just cloudy and glassy all the way down. They arrived at the peak of the mountain just before sundown. Caroline hopped off the wagon and began to thank the man, but he had already turned his horse around and was high, tailing it back down the glass road as fast as he could.
Caroline
Thank you.
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline called after him. The ground shook I think the monsters.
Caroline
Are coming, and they're going to see Caroline.
Adam Gidwitz
It shook again.
Caroline
Maybe she could just be a little quiet. Because what if she wakes up the giants and they come after us?
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline ran behind a large glass rock to hide. A giant was lumbering straight toward her. And a glass rock does not hide you very well. She looked around, desperate for a better place to hide. There in the side, the glass mountain was a small cave. She ran for it. The giant blew fire from his mouth, but she dove inside the cave just as the giant's fiery breath roared by. Caroline crawled deeper into the cave and deeper. It glowed a glassy blue, and after a little while, she didn't have to crawl anymore. The space became large enough that she could walk again.
Caroline
I think it's the swan that's in there. Because it's blue.
Adam Gidwitz
Interesting. Caroline walked into a large chamber, and there, waiting for her, were the 13 swans, and their wings fluttered softly when they saw her.
Caroline
Where is my brother?
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline demanded of the tall blue swan.
Caroline
You told me he'd be here.
Adam Gidwitz
The blue swan spoke solemnly. If you wish to see your brother again, you must face three trials.
Caroline
Haven't I done enough?
Adam Gidwitz
What do you guys think? Has she done enough?
Caroline
Yes.
Adam Gidwitz
It's like these trials never end, right? Poor Caroline.
Caroline
She had to kill someone.
Adam Gidwitz
She had to kill someone. Now she's got three trials. She had to work for a king. She had to sell a rose.
Caroline
She had to drink hog's milk.
Adam Gidwitz
She had to drink hog's milk.
Caroline
All I was thinking in my head, this whole story was a bro.
Adam Gidwitz
Like, bro, it's enough.
Caroline
Her parents literally sold their children for free. And they're broke, too. So, like, I might have had it.
Adam Gidwitz
Worse than any of our fairy tale heroes. So far. She just has got thing after thing after thing.
Caroline
Haven't I done enough?
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline shouted. And the swan said, nearly so. Caroline said, fine.
Caroline
Bring it on. That's a big one.
Adam Gidwitz
It is a big word. The swan warned Caroline. These trials are no simple feat. They may seem deadly, but remember why you are here. And trust that no matter what, you'll be taken care of. The swans vanished. But the blue swan's final words echoed in Caroline's head. They reminded her of something.
Caroline
That's what the mom and dad said. I think the mom and dad are the swans.
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline waited alone in the glassy blue darkness. Before long, the first of the challenges arrived. The ground trembled as the giant's face appeared at the mouth of the cave, his fiery breath heating the air. I know you're in There, little human. The giant roared, his hot breath burning the rocks and plants outside. Caroline's heart pounded, but she held her ground. If you won't come out, I'll just.
Caroline
Roost you in there.
Adam Gidwitz
The giant blew fire straight into the cave. The flames rushed toward Caroline, and she didn't move. She let the flames engulf her, and somehow she did not die.
Caroline
What?
Adam Gidwitz
The giant breathed his fire again and again, and each time the flames engulfed Caroline, but they did not harm her.
Caroline
Because everything was else magic. And now she is magic. Maybe like was connected to, like you always be taken care of. Maybe it's like how she thinks of her brother and how she loves her brother and wants to get her back.
Adam Gidwitz
So her brother, her love for her brother protects her. Yeah. Finally exhausted, the giant stomped off, and Caroline realized that, miraculously, she had survived the first trial. But just as she had begun to relax, a massive snake slithered into the cave, its emerald eyes gleaming at her. Again, Caroline stayed calm. The snake coiled its muscular, rippling body around Caroline. It squeezed tighter and tighter, but Caroline.
Caroline
Just thought, no matter what, we'll take.
Adam Gidwitz
Care of each other. The snake's grip constricted, but Caroline imagined that it was her parents wrapping their arms around her. But the snake squeezed harder and harder, and Caroline felt certain that her body could take no more and that in a moment, she would be crushed to death. And then the large snake loosened its hold, slid away, and disappeared into the shadows. No sooner had the snake vanished than the ground trembled once more. This time, 12 enormous tortoises, each the size of a bathtub tub, lumbered into the cave.
Caroline
Finally.
Adam Gidwitz
Finally, the tortoises showed up. The tortoises, filthy, cracked shells, were covered in mud, trailing a sour, swampy stench that filled the air. Caroline wrinkled her nose, recoiling from the sight. She waited for them to trample her or snap at her or something. They did nothing. She stood up.
Caroline
What on earth am I supposed to do with you?
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline circled them. They were revolting. She tried shooing them out of the cave, but they stubbornly refused to budge. She lay down, trying to encourage them to trample her. They didn't even flinch. Frustrated, she muttered, what do you want?
Caroline
A hug? A kiss? Yeah.
Adam Gidwitz
As soon as the words left her mouth, she knew she had to try. With determination outweighing her disgust, she stood and walked to the first tortoise, wrapped her arms around its filthy, muck covered neck and kissed the top of its head.
Caroline
Ew.
Adam Gidwitz
And just as she did, the tortoise shimmered and its swamp covered skin and shell transformed until before her stood her own mother.
Caroline
Then her dad, then her brother.
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline's arms closed around her, but Caroline pulled away and ran to the next tortoise and squeezed its neck and kissed its stinking head. And instantly it transformed into her father, gazing down at her with pride.
Caroline
I think the last Hortex is gonna be the boy. The second is her father.
Adam Gidwitz
Very interesting. I have a question. What is it with the stories so far this year where it's like you just have to keep kissing reptiles and amphibians or something?
Caroline
How is this possible?
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline asked, breathless. But then Caroline looked at the 10 other tortoises.
Caroline
Who are you?
Adam Gidwitz
She ran to the next tortoise and threw her arms around it and, well, she kissed its head too. It shimmered and expanded and transformed not into her brother, but into a regal woman.
Caroline
Ooh, okay, I guess I just kissed a stranger.
Adam Gidwitz
But that didn't stop her. Caroline wrapped her arms around tortoise after tortoise, each time hoping the next would be her brother. But with each transformation, she found only another random person. Doubt crept in. What if none of these tortoises were Elias? Finally, she reached the last tortoise. Caroline's heart pounded against her ribs. Would this be her brother? She had kissed a lot of strangers now, albeit in the form of very dirty tortoises. Which maybe made it better. Or maybe didn't. Anyway, she really hoped this was her brother.
Caroline
Please be the brother. I can't handle this kissy stranger thing. It's disgusting. I think it's gonna be her brother. Cause who else would it be? Another stranger?
Adam Gidwitz
She wrapped her arms around the wrinkly neck and as she did, she kissed the top of the tortoise's muck covered head. The creature began to glow. Just as before it transformed. And at last, before her stood Elias.
Caroline
Yay.
Adam Gidwitz
Finally, as they embraced, tears of joy streamed down their cheeks. Finally, Caroline turned to her parents and demanded an explanation.
Caroline
How did all of this happen?
Adam Gidwitz
Her father said. When we left you at the inn, your mother and I were on the brink of freezing to death. Suddenly the blue swan appeared and in a flash we were swans too. Her brother Elias added. The blue swan took me from the inn because otherwise the. The innkeeper's wife was going to feed.
Caroline
Me to the hogs.
Adam Gidwitz
Because you lost the game, said Caroline. And Elias said, right.
Caroline
And soon I became a swan also. And then after you were swans, you became tortoises.
Adam Gidwitz
She brought us here and yes, we turned into tortoises. Caroline said, that's weird. Elias agreed super weird. Then Caroline asked, but who was this blue swan?
Caroline
And where is it now?
Adam Gidwitz
Caroline's parents looked at each other, and then they looked at the other people who had first been swans and then tortoises. And everyone shrugged. No one had any idea. Caroline had one more question. She marched up to her parents and stuck a finger in their faces.
Caroline
You said, no matter what, we'll take care of each other. But you gave us away to the innkeeper's wife. Why? Why would you do that?
Adam Gidwitz
Her mother said, isn't it obvious? We didn't want you to starve.
Caroline
We would never sell you to anyone. But we hoped that if we gave you away, you would live. We were taking care of you as best as we could.
Adam Gidwitz
Elias walked up to Caroline and took her hand. But you took even better care of us. You saved us. Caroline replied, you saved me, too. A couple of times that was true. They had all taken care of each other, no matter what. And they lived happily ever after. The end.
Caroline
That's a good story, Lily.
Adam Gidwitz
You want more?
Caroline
Yes.
Adam Gidwitz
As Caroline slept, the innkeeper's wife prepared a special stew.
Caroline
No. What's a soup?
Adam Gidwitz
Yes, a soup. Did you predict that there would be a soup?
Caroline
Never.
Adam Gidwitz
Yeah, you totally did. You said that there was gonna be a soup.
Caroline
Why? The beginning of the story, like the lay was gonna treat them like soup.
Adam Gidwitz
Oh, she was gonna treat them like soup.
Caroline
Yeah. Like eating. Yeah, because technically, killing soup gets dead because people eat the soup. There's soup in my belly. Right.
Adam Gidwitz
Well, she might treat Caroline very much like soup right now.
Caroline
Yeah, like not nice.
Adam Gidwitz
You know what I mean?
Caroline
Maybe the soup is very poisonous or might give you a heart attack.
Adam Gidwitz
Or maybe kill. Or maybe Caroline is gonna go in the soup.
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Grim Grimmer Grimmest is a Penna original production created, written and narrated by me, Adam Gidwitz, author of A Tale Dark and Grim, co written by Ali Horne produced and edited by Kaelin west associate producer Rebecca Cunningham field recording by Julia Martin casting and voice direction by Rebecca Cunningham sound design and mixing by Kalyn west executive produced by Carly Milori production support by Devin shepherd characters voiced by Tria Leong, Laith walshlager, Rob Moreta, Tyler Keys, and Charlotte Wilson Langley. Special thanks to all the kids who joined us in Staten island and Brooklyn for our storytelling sessions. You guys are awesome.
Host: Adam Gidwitz
Date: October 9, 2025
Episode Level: Grimmer
In this thrilling "Grimmer"-level episode, Adam Gidwitz continues his retelling of the obscure fairy tale “The Twelve Tortoises” to a group of insightful and witty kids. The story picks up with Caroline—a resilient young heroine—on the run from the murderous innkeeper's wife, and it quickly escalates through magical dreams, shocking animal transformations, and tests of courage, love, and endurance. The classroom group actively unpacks the twists, injects humor, and digs into the odd logic and deeper meanings behind the classic fairy tale tropes, making for an engaging and unpredictable storytelling session.
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“The Twelve Tortoises (Part II)” delivers a classic Grimm tale with signature twists, magical transformations, and the raw, relatable reactions of its young audience. The episode stands out for balancing macabre fairy tale elements with insightful commentary and unexpected humor, all capped by an emotionally resonant message of family, endurance, and mutual care.
For more fairy-tale weirdness, humor, and lively feedback from real kids, keep following Grimm, Grimmer, Grimmest!