Murdaugh Murders: Deep Dive & Latest News ft. Ethan - H3 After Dark #79

Summary

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H3 Podcast – "Murdaugh Murders: Deep Dive & Latest News" (H3 After Dark #79 — July 21, 2026)

Host: Ethan Klein
Guests/Panel: Kate, Harley, Dan, David

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Overview

In this episode of H3 After Dark, Ethan Klein and the panel embark on a comprehensive, darkly humorous deep dive into the chilling saga of the Murdaugh family from South Carolina’s Lowcountry. The conversation unpacks the notorious legacy of generational corruption, racism, and unchecked power that enabled the family’s crimes, culminating in the high-profile murder trial of Alex Murdaugh. The episode blends historic context, discussions of the murders, financial crimes, mysterious deaths, and the true crime spectacle that turned the Murdaughs into the subject of national horror—and fascination.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Setting the Stage: The Murdaugh Family's Legacy

• [03:16–06:00]
  • The Murdaugh family ruled Hampton County, SC, for a century, building wealth on slavery and later dominating the legal system as prosecutors and defense lawyers.
  • Quote [04:52, Kate]: “For nearly 100 years, in this region, these five here in this dark green, the Lowcountry was ruled over by one family—and that is the Murdaughs. A hundred years nonstop.”
  • The group jokes about the family’s inbred pinkness and literal and figurative incestuousness, tying it to the insularity of old Southern money.

2. Historic Corruption and Systemic Power

• [06:00–13:40]
  • The Murdaughs transitioned from slave-owners to unopposed District Attorneys, then added a lucrative law firm to control both sides of Hampton County’s legal system.
  • The podcast draws parallels to TV villains (Lannisters, Succession) and mocks the absurdity of their control.
  • [15:06, Ethan]: “There are a lot of local rumors about him [Buster Murdaugh, Sr.] taking people out...unopposed for all five of his terms as district attorney.”

3. The New Generation: Paul, Buster, & the Modern Murdaughs

• [17:09–19:23]
  • Alec Murdaugh, pivotal figure, is depicted as “disturbed;” young Buster as questionably competent but central to the ongoing family drama.
  • Paul—the “do you know who my dad is?” party kid—becomes the focal point of the story.

4. The 2019 Boat Crash: Privilege Unleashed

• [20:55–35:26]
  • Paul, underage and drunk, drives friends after an oyster roast, resulting in a deadly crash that kills Mallory Beach.
  • Harrowing details include security footage, Paul’s drunken alter ego, and dismissal of local laws.
  • The family reportedly tries to pin the blame on another kid, Connor, with grandpa and dad arriving to “fix” things at the hospital.
  • “Get that motherfucker away from me.” — Anthony, Mallory’s boyfriend on police dashcam, furious at Paul [35:26]
  • [38:22, Anthony]: “Y’all know Alec Murdoch? That’s his son... Good luck.” (After crash, noting the family’s power.)

5. Systemic Cover-ups and Local Corruption

• [41:04–49:57]
  • Family manipulates witnesses into amnesia (“Don’t remember who was driving,” they tell the kids).
  • They maneuver to get everyone the family's preferred attorney—Alec’s college roommate, Corey Fleming.

6. Justice Denied: The Legal Fallout

• [50:34–51:08]
  • The trial is repeatedly delayed; Paul remains free on a personal recognizance bond until his violent death.

7. Murders at Moselle — The Double Homicide

• [51:00–66:00]
  • Paul and his mother Maggie are found murdered in June 2021 at the family hunting lodge. Alec makes a frantic 911 call; the episode plays chilling real audio.
  • Alec’s initial alibi is contradicted by cell phone and Snapchat video evidence placing him at the scene.
  • [66:53, Kate, discussing Snapchat clip]: “Destroyed by his son’s own video—these guys that don’t understand it, the internet undid him.”

8. Motive: Money, Legal Pressures, and Family Annihilation

• [72:19–73:48]
  • Three days after the murders, Alec was due to disclose financial records in a wrongful death civil suit, which threatened to reveal “an insane story of embezzlement.”
  • [73:48, Kate]: “The walls were closing in on Alec Murdoch for things that were happening before Paul was even born.”

9. Grifting and Fraud: Crimes Beyond Murder

• [74:03–82:42]
  • Alec and Fleming systematically stole millions from mostly Black clients (wrongful death settlements), including their housekeeper, Gloria Satterfield.
  • The episode highlights the exploitative pattern and how it ties into broader Southern–American racism.
  • [80:14, Kate]: "They're all Black. And this is just a sampling. There were at least 10 clients, I believe all of them were Black..."
  • The money’s ultimate destination remains largely unknown—pill addiction, gambling, “other bodies...”

10. Other Mysterious Deaths: The Body Count Grows

• Gloria Satterfield ([75:48–88:14]): Housekeeper dies in a suspicious fall. The Murdaughs cash in on her insurance, never paying her sons.
  • [77:25, Kate]: “He took the settlement, gave it to his daughter, Alex, and he and Alec put it into a personal account.”
• A Botched Suicide After the Murders ([88:22–94:03])
  • Alec hires his cousin/drug dealer to shoot him in the head for a $10 million insurance payout to Buster. Survives.
  • [90:10, Kate]: “He wanted to die. So because there was a $10 million insurance policy on himself. So basically he was doing to himself what he had done to all these other people.”

11. The ‘Other Murders’: Stephen Smith and Possible Cover-Ups

• [104:07–114:35]
  • The unsolved 2015 death of Stephen Smith (rumored to be romantically linked to Buster Murdaugh) is discussed. Blunt force to the head, quickly deemed a ‘hit and run’ until, years later, the case is reopened as a probable homicide amid rumors the Murdaughs orchestrated the death to protect reputation.
  • [110:41, Kate]: “He was starting a relationship with someone...and the cops ... are alluding to rumors of a sexual relationship between Steven and Buster, which makes sense why the family would want to get him out of the way.”

12. Trial Outcome(s) and Ongoing Fallout

• [94:02–117:40]
  • Alec is eventually convicted for murder and financial crimes, given two life sentences plus 27 years, but his murder conviction is overturned due to jury tampering by the county clerk (Becky Hill), pending retrial (set for 2027).
  • [101:36–104:07, Kate]: “Her [Becky Hill] inappropriate contact with jurors ... led the South Carolina Supreme Court to overturn the murder conviction. Now there’s got to be another trial.”
  • He remains in prison for financial fraud.

13. Family Aftermath & Local Legacy

• [117:40–129:16]
  • Buster remains free, reportedly lives privately, retains some local support, and is named in several rumors but no criminal charges.
  • Discussion of bizarre Murdoch traditions, recurrence of family names, and residual wealth.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• The Scope of Murdaugh Evil
  [01:10, Ethan]: “The tendrils coming out from this case—it is like an octopus on evilness on 10.”

• Generational Power
  [11:14, Kate]: “Three generations controlling Hampton County … whatever they wanted.”

• Privilege on Display
  [29:39, Ethan]: “How many shots did you have in six minutes?”
  [31:29, Kate]: “On the boat he was slapping and spitting at his girlfriend.”

• Locals’ Fear
  [38:20, Anthony]: “Y’all know Alec Murdoch? … Good luck.”

• The Broken System
  [49:57, Kate]: “He doesn’t get cuffed—the lawyers stop him from getting cuffed. These guys just make up the rules as they go.”

• Portrait of Family Annihilation
  [60:53, Kate]: “Family annihilator...familicide.”

• Internet Justice [66:53, Kate]: “Destroyed by his son’s own video—these guys that don’t understand it, the internet undid him.”

• On the Judge
  [95:03, Kate]: “Black judge sentencing him here is confronted and confesses to having just generational revenge.”

• Racism and Fraud
  [80:14, Kate]: “They’re all black...there were at least 10 clients...”

• Panel’s Tone
  The episode is simultaneously dark, irreverent, and self-aware, with quick-witted asides, banter about Southern customs (“oyster roast”), and meta humor about the ongoing “content” generated by endless legal proceedings.

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Timeline / Timestamps of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Content | |:-------------:|:-----------------------------------------------------------| | 00:02–04:52 | Dramatic introduction; scope of Murdoch depravity | | 04:52–11:14 | History—slavery roots, rise to power in law | | 15:06–20:55 | Modern family members, corrupt control | | 20:55–35:26 | 2019 boat crash, Paul’s drunken recklessness | | 35:26–38:41 | Fallout after the crash; community see the fix is in | | 41:04–49:57 | Hospital cover-up: family coaches survivors | | 50:34–51:08 | Paul released, family manipulates the legal process | | 51:00–66:00 | Double homicide—911 call, Maggie & Paul’s murders | | 66:53–70:00 | Snapchat video evidence; Alec’s alibi collapses | | 72:19–73:48 | Looming financial reckoning as motive | | 74:03–88:14 | Financial crimes: stealing millions from Black clients | | 88:22–94:03 | Alec’s botched “suicide” for insurance; Buster’s status | | 104:07–114:35 | Stephen Smith’s mysterious 2015 death—possible Buster link | | 117:40–129:16 | Family aftermath (Buster now), possible bodies, legacy | | 129:16–end | Q&A, shoutouts, light banter |

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Final Reflections, Memorable Moments

• Kate’s True-Crime Mastery: Delivers historic context and chilling details, helping listeners untangle a multi-generational web of evil.
• Banter & Relief: Despite the episode’s darkness, recurring gags (the “pinkness” of the Murdochs, birthday jokes, Southern ridicule) prevent the mood from becoming unbearable.
• Audience Takeaway: Listeners get an unflinching look at Southern oligarchy, generational impunity, and how even the most insulated American families can finally see justice—albeit slowly, and thanks in part to the digital age.

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Useful for Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

• The Murdoch story is much broader than a whodunit—it’s the anatomy of small-town power, racism, and how technology (cell phones, Snapchat) finally made accountability possible.
• The criminal activities spanned slaveholding, legal manipulation, financial fraud, and ultimately, murder.
• The ongoing saga continues with retrials ahead; the H3 crew will doubtless revisit as new chapters unfold.

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Notable Signoff [159:22, Ethan]:
"Well done, Kate. It was a beautifully put together show, and I really enjoyed myself. So thanks everyone for watching. I’ll be here next Tuesday too, you know."

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For future true crime deep dives, H3 promises more content — both alarming and absurd.

Transcript

[A]

A tragic boat crash, a double homicide, a drive by shooting, and a young man's body in the road. Millions stolen from victims. Countless heinous crimes. One family, the Murdaugh family. Deep dive starts now on H3 After Dark.

[B]

Thank you, Kate, for that beautiful introduction to such a heinous and ugly crime. It really is. I've been actually following this story for a long time and this guy really is just one of the most evil freaks you're gonna find on this earth.

[A]

Yep, yep. It's a. It's a thick one today. It's a thick one. There's a lot going on. It's so much more than the murders. It's. I forgot the financial crimes are so insane.

[C]

Hold on a second, David. There's a lot of. A lot of dance music happening now. Oh, yeah, we're talking about. Talking about heinous crimes.

[B]

Am I, Am I confusing it? Or is his son the one that. In the boat crash that killed the.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Dude, it's crazy. The. The tendrils coming out from this case.

[A]

It is like an octopus on.

[B]

Of evilness on 10.

[A]

It's. It's insane and it. It goes back beyond before. Before the Revolutionary War, before the Civil War. Like this family's evil roots are so deep in the soil. And so we have all of that today.

[B]

Oh, fascinating. Stephen King. Couldn't write it better to be honest.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You know what I have?

[A]

What?

[C]

One with the screw top.

[A]

Sick.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Good job, Harley.

[C]

I just popped monster.

[A]

Just popped a monster.

[C]

Because, Ethan, it's still my birthday. It's the week.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Happy birthday. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

We do the week thing.

[B]

We do. We do. We do birthday weeks and it's not even a. We don't have to do the birthday week for Dan because it's his real birthday today.

[A]

Hey, happy birthday, Dan. Yay.

[B]

I don't even know if you can cut to him. No, you can't.

[D]

I can't.

[B]

He's raising his fist in glory. But just to. As a quick announcement before we get started, I'm here, obviously, and I'm going to be. I think I'm going to be trying and I think I'm going to be joining you guys every Tuesday because I love the true crime and I just think it's fantastic and I love Kate and Harley. So without further ado, guys, take us through the Murdoch trial.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So wait, hold on. So sorry, Kate. So sorry. I'm not. I want to ask. I want to show Ethan how we do things around here.

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[C]

I'm scared Did Ethan make you do this?

[A]

Did he make me do what?

[C]

No, I'm asking Ethan.

[B]

Did I make myself do this?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Cool, man.

[A]

Okay, sick.

[C]

Tell him I said thanks. It's gonna be sick. Wait to see what Kate's got in store for you.

[B]

Ethan's a real taskmaster. I'll tell you guys. I hate my boss.

[C]

Hey, hey, chill, dude. We don't do that here. I don't know what you guys do on the main show, but here we don't talk badly about him.

[B]

No.

[C]

So get that. Get that straight, pal. We're not.

[B]

Right. Tell them, don't ask. Don't. Then don't ask me, because I have nothing nice to say

[A]

before we get started. Today's episode is sponsored by Cozy Earth. Yeah, we love when After Dark has sponsors. We'll tell you more about the Cozy Sheets that we got a little bit later in the show. So, all right, let's. Let's dive into it. Like I said, this is a very deep hole. I'm going to do my best to get it, all right. And I have a lot of context that will hopefully be helpful. Helpful for folks as we navigate this. So, David, you can share the presentation screen, please. So this is where the story takes place. This is the low country of South Carolina. It is these counties along the southeast coast of South Carolina. And specifically we're talking about Hampton county, which is where the Murdochs have lived forever. The area was enriched by the slave trade. Slavery. Because of the ease with which they could grow rice. The rice fields, the indigo fields, were like the biggest crop at the time. And for nearly 100 years, in this. In this region, these five here in this dark green, the low country was ruled over by one family, and that is the Murdochs. A hundred. A hundred years non stop.

[C]

The Lannisters of low country.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I will. I will say about the Murdo Murdoch, Murdoch family, they are the whitest I have ever seen. Of course, they own slaves.

[A]

So white. Yeah, like. So.

[B]

He's almost pink.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Translucent.

[A]

Yeah, definitely. He's definitely pink.

[B]

Can you show my. Do you have the ability to show my screen?

[A]

David, can you show his screen? If not, I have a picture in here of him.

[B]

Look at this. He looks scared that he's so white. He's so white, he's scared of himself.

[C]

You see, I actually. I don't talk too much about it because that's literally my dad's. That's how my dad is.

[B]

Oh, for real?

[C]

My dad's. That color palette.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. Exact same Like I. Like I. I've been calling him pink his whole life.

[A]

He's a pink boy.

[C]

Yeah, just.

[B]

They look a little inbred too, eh?

[A]

Yeah. All right, so let's get. Speaking of inbred, let's. Let's talk about them. So way back before the Murdoch started going to law school, they still had wealth and influence because they were part of around 200 years of doing agriculture, quote, unquote, in the low country.

[B]

They were, you know what that means,

[A]

slave owners, and pretty wealthy ones at that. They. There's a whole article about their history of slave ownership that a certified genealogist did. And so that's what I was looking at. And so these brothers or this. This guy here is Josiah Putnam.

[C]

Haunting already. And his name's Josiah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Looks. His proportions are odd, eh?

[A]

Yeah. But he does have like, the beady eyes that, that Alec has.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He had eight slaves in 1850 and then 1160. Yes.

[C]

Is that a lot that.

[B]

I was thinking that's a modest eight slaves.

[A]

No, at the time, I think it was. I think most people had like, like, or had enslaved a couple people. But I think if. If you got up near like, the. The double digits, you were doing really well for yourself. I know that we all, like. We think about the big plantations, like in Gone with the Wind, with like, hundreds of enslaved people, but I think most average Southerners did not have a. Did not have a.

[C]

Okay, you guys get one. You take in a man or a woman. Think on it. Don't have to answer now, Think on it, answer later.

[D]

If you say one conversation.

[A]

Listen, we are not answering. We are not having a hypothetical slave conversation.

[B]

But I was.

[A]

Not the point.

[B]

Something about, you know, when you. When you read about it, you hear of how. How cruel the. The slave masters were, but it's like, I mean, that's a valuable commodity, you know, I mean, just being real, like, why not treat them nice? Why. Why damage the goods, to put it, you know?

[A]

Well, yeah, they weren't. Because they saw them as animals. Right. And so they probably were not treating their. Their livestock well either. It was just about burning through them. And they were really. It was very inexpensive to buy another enslaved person.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah. So apparently shout out to the Murdochs early on. Josiah's brother, though, had 23. Oh slaves. So, yeah, there was definitely some. Some. Some wealth very early on, like in the mid-1800s. And then this guy, Josiah Jr. Was elected as a representative to the Southern Rights association, which they basically tried to protect states rights and limit Northern influence on enslavement practices. So these dudes were not just like casual slavers, they were like pro slavery activists.

[B]

They're advanced slavery users.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And the genealogy.

[B]

Addicted.

[C]

They're addicted.

[A]

Addicted to everything.

[B]

Can't get enough. One is power.

[C]

One is enough. One is too much.

[A]

Too many. Too many, not enough.

[C]

23 is insane.

[A]

23 is a lot. 23 is a lot. By the time of the Civil War, the Murdoch family had been slave owners for at least a hundred and possibly even 200 years.

[B]

Jesus.

[C]

I think that's the most generation. That's the most. Is that like around the most you could do?

[A]

Yeah, because they arrived in the U. In the colonies in 1760, so before even the, the Revolutionary War happened. So they were here slaving, enslaving people very early on. They were like real innovators if you

[C]

have, if you chat with an uncle Ert. Let me, let me make something up for a second here. If you have slaves, you're doing well for yourself, like in the sense that you're probably financially thriving.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

You're completely taking advantage of human beings. So they were, they were just doing this, doing it for 100 years, just ruling over the lowlands.

[A]

This was their, this was their career. It was. They were called planters or farmers and it was. They were owning slaves and, and doing the rice fields and all that. Yeah, this was.

[B]

They generated so much wealth back then. It's kind of interesting to see, like, even in modern day, that slavery money continued to prop them up. And really only the best people were propped up by that. And we can see that in today's case, really good people give them lots of money and power.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It doesn't. It seems like it just. The tree was rotten to begin with and it just kept rotting and rotting all the way down. So sadly, sadly for the Murdaughs, slavery did end. Very sad. And they had to switch it up and they decided to go into another field where they could exact a lot of influence. And so they decided to go into law. So Randolph Murdaugh, who's a little advertisement here, was first elected in 1920. And from 1920 to 2006, the Low country was completely run by Murdochs. Like they were, they were the district attorney elected every single time, over and over again, no deviations, and most of them ran unopposed.

[C]

So you get the, the, the, the where we're at now today is generations of dudes that could do whatever the

[A]

heck they wanted, whatever they wanted.

[C]

Like just powerful white dudes running this town in every Single facet.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Not even just

[B]

in. In 1851, historians estimated that a man named Nathaniel Hayward of South Carolina. Once again, shout out. Owned between 1800-2300 slaves.

[A]

Holy.

[B]

And that. And that was the. The king that was the most slaves. One person owned 2300. And then number two, Joshua John Ward, he owned a mere 1100. Yeah, those are.

[C]

Those, like, how do you manage brokey.

[B]

Nathaniel Hayward. Hayward mogged Joshua's 1000 slaves quite, quite handedly.

[A]

So, yeah, those are those big, like, plantations on steroids. And how they handled it is they hired a bunch of overseers to, you know, whip everybody and. And threaten them and all that. And those overseers became the basis of law.

[B]

And they're actually in Senate today.

[A]

Yeah, so shout out. So shout out to the overseers.

[B]

They're creating laws at Congress right now.

[A]

Yep. Okay. So first they got into the district attorney's office. They were prosecutors, but that wasn't enough for them. That was enough money. That wasn't enough control. So then the Murdochs decided to expand, banned their legal grip into defense. They opened a law firm. They opened a law firm where they profited off of accidental injuries and deaths, wrongful death suits, specifically made a lot. Suing the railroads for accidents. Apparently

[B]

they pivoted from the most evil profession to the next evil profession. Lawyers.

[A]

Exactly. Ambulance chasers. So, yeah, then they were controlling. They were. They were controlling both sides of the law. They were controlling the prosecution and also the like going after corporations to get money that way as well. So these folks.

[B]

Man.

[A]

I know. So this is Murdoch here. This is Alex.

[B]

Oh, my God, that's him. Yeah, he definitely looks the most disturbed of the bunch.

[A]

Yeah, he's really scary. This is his dad here.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that guy killed someone for sure.

[A]

And this is his brother who still works at this firm, which has been renamed, but he's still. He's still kicking in there. This is Randy Randolph Jr. Yep, he's still there. So, yeah, they. They started this in 1910. It's over. 100-year-old law firm that's still going, but is trying to break its. Break its relation with. With Alex, at least if not both the Murdochs, because they gotten some pretty deep.

[C]

Do we know when this picture is from?

[A]

No, I mean, it's got to be like the. The late 90s, early 2000s, I would say, because he already looks old as. But not as old as he was.

[C]

He's a big boy, eh?

[A]

Oh, yeah, he's. He's a big boy for sure.

[C]

He looks like he's six, four or something.

[B]

Is that right?

[A]

Yeah, he's a big dude.

[C]

He looks big.

[A]

He's a big boy.

[B]

Let's do a height check.

[A]

So here are the modern Murdochs as we know them.

[B]

64, you called it.

[A]

Is it 64?

[B]

Yeah, 64.

[A]

Nice. So there were three generations controlling Hampton county in 2019 when everything unraveled. We have Buster, who's the grandfather.

[B]

Buster.

[A]

Buster. He was 79 when all this happened, and he ran unopposed for all five of his terms as the district.

[B]

This is a man that has known adversity in his life. He has overcome all obstacles, struggles.

[A]

Amen.

[B]

He has run unopposed five times in a. Incredible. He's how. He's held office

[A]

unopposed, like for. That's just insane. There are a lot of local rumors about him taking people out. He was tell you.

[B]

Run unopposed.

[A]

Yeah, that. There's a lot of. A lot of rumors about threats and all kinds of dirty dealings from. From Mr. Buster, which is.

[C]

There's got to be so many bodies tied.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? Like, he's probably. Look at. Look at him. He's a big goof. He's a buffoon. He would. He would get caught and bring the whole dynasty down. He's like. He looks like the black sheep.

[B]

Yeah. Look at him.

[C]

He looks like the black sheep.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

They're like, Buster's like. He's an idiot.

[B]

People are reminding me, this is true, actually, that Ethan for a moment wanted to name Sonny Buster. So that did happen.

[A]

Phew. Dodged that bullet. We dodged that bullet. Then we have Alec Murdoch. This is the son of old Buster, as we'll call him, because this is young Buster.

[C]

Your son. Your son's name was going to be Buster.

[B]

I thought about it, but obviously everybody immediately vetoed it.

[C]

And the only way it ends up working and if it were something that happened is I. I swear, everyone would call him Buster Klein. They would just go full. They would go full. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You can't just lean on the Busters too.

[C]

People would just say Buster Klein all the time. They would.

[A]

I would call them Buster rhymes. Anyway, that didn't happen. And we're glad. Sunny's a beautiful name.

[B]

Sonny's so much better than Buster.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. He's not. He's not even a little bit associated with this weird ass family.

[C]

20 times better, maybe.

[B]

And then imagine being a Buster and you're like, I. I love being a Buster. I need a Buster junior in the family.

[A]

This is like the fourth or fifth Buster.

[B]

This is Buster the fourth Eh, this.

[A]

Yeah, this is Buster.

[C]

Like Buster the fourth is so wild.

[B]

We be busting be Buster.

[A]

All the Randolph's, their nickname was Buster like as far back as I could see.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

So yeah, Randy Randolph is Buster iii. So he's the third and this is Buster kind of the fourth. Even though he's not really named after his grandfather. So the.

[D]

The.

[C]

Each one pinker than the next. Eh. Each one pinker than the last.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

Yeah, serious redheads. Like how do they. How do they keep that. That breeding. I know, I know how.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Incest and just general like extreme racism.

[B]

Can I say something? I think maybe kind of awful but. But apparently true is that at least it means that they didn't. They're slaves.

[A]

Well, we don't know that.

[B]

Yeah, we don't know that.

[A]

There's probably a lot of black people with the last Murdoch.

[B]

And so you're right, they didn't make. You're right, they didn't make the.

[C]

Pull it up.

[B]

The main. The main. Yeah, I'm gonna take that back.

[A]

Just look up Murdoch on Facebook and in Hampton, South Carolina. I'm sure we could find something stuff. Well, I remember putting it together when I was a kid. Like why are some button there.

[C]

Right?

[B]

I apologize for that, guys. I do have a button. I just let that one hang. Apologies. Sorry, Kate.

[A]

It's okay. I just corrected you. It's all good. We're good. Or did you say something else?

[B]

No, we're good.

[C]

Okay. Yeah, we're good for the next one though. For the next.

[A]

All right, sweet. For the next one. All right, so we have, as we said, we got Buster and then we've got Alec who is the center of this whole story right now. We've got young Buster here who won't. Won't be a real topic until late in this story, but he did get into law school, almost flunk out, and then apparently Alec paid $60,000 to lobby the Dean to adjust his GPA so he could stay in.

[B]

That's kind of a good deal.

[A]

That's kind of.

[C]

Yeah. Like the amount of slaves he had, I feel like he could have got him at 100k.

[B]

Well in California if you want to buy off a university, it's going to cost a lot more than that, you know.

[A]

Yeah, that's true, that's true. And this is lost.

[B]

Gotta buy like a wing.

[A]

Well, I mean cost of living is very different in South Carolina.

[B]

So you know, for. Just for. From the narrative perspective, it would be nice if they just varied up the names a Little bit in the family.

[A]

I know, but we got young Buster and old Buster. That's like as, as varied as we can make it, really young and old. And then we've got Paul, who's gonna be first of his name, pivotal in this. Yeah, I didn't see many Paul's in the family, but I'm sure it's also a family name. Paul is the, the youngest Murdoch son who was known as like the party animal, kind of the loose cannon in the family. He was very much the do you know who my dad is kind of kid. And then we have his mom Maggie, who was a socialite. And apparently they were living separately at the time of the murders. So there's that. All right, so let's get to the first horrible sad thing. February 23, 2019 in the evening, Paul Murdoch, the youngest son, uses his brother's ID to buy some alcohol. There is so much security footage of this night.

[B]

This is fascinating. I haven't seen this.

[A]

Oh yeah, watch this fucking dork. Hang on, let me full screen computer,

[C]

zoom in on this fucking dork.

[A]

He's such a dork. Watch me like, he's like, raises his hands.

[B]

He's like, yo, I'm surprised he didn't park in handicap.

[A]

I know, right?

[B]

There's the boat.

[A]

Yeah. Let's kill someone.

[B]

As you know, boating and being drunk is a legal and good combination.

[A]

And doing it in the middle of the night. It was the middle of the night. It's horrific. So they.

[B]

Only a Buster Murdoch could dream of such a safe and wonderful plan.

[A]

Yeah, this is Paul. But yes, you're right.

[B]

Yeah, he's a Buster to me.

[A]

Buster. Buster would have done it too. Let's be real.

[C]

This is an easy cleanup in 93 though. Oh, yeah, you just, you know, the ecosystem isn't really built for, for these, these types anymore because look, you get. There's just too much to ignore.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

It goes beyond their reach.

[A]

But yeah, I think that, I think you're right there though. I think that the Internet is a huge reason why these super rich dopes keep getting caught doing the things that they've done for centuries. Right. Like now they can't, they can't weasel out of it because the video exists and then it gets put on the Internet. It's not like they, it goes to the police officers and then gets, you know, thrown in the trash. It's like you can't deny it anymore. Right.

[B]

Yeah. And just the crime fighting technology, you're not going to get any Jack the Rippers these days. Because it's just the technology is getting so damn good. They're even catching people now from, like, 30, 50 years ago by match, taking the unknown DNA and matching it to their, like, distant cousin. It's crazy what they're doing now.

[A]

Yeah. So after. After this. This little pit stop that Paul did.

[C]

How old is he, by the way? Sorry?

[A]

He was. Let me double check how old he was at the time of this. 20. 19. He was 19. Everyone on the boat, it was like their first year of. Their first year of college. So six friends met at Paul's grandfather's river house, and they all got on this boat to travel to an oyster roast. This was Paul Murdoch and his girlfriend and two other couples, including Mallory beach,

[D]

who we see here said, like, the widest sentence ever.

[A]

Me.

[D]

They went to their grandpa's lake house to go to a oyster.

[B]

I. I never heard of an oyster roast. The whitest thing ever. I was gonna let that one go.

[A]

I've never been to an oyster roast either. And I grew up.

[C]

I. I was gonna ask you guys, and then I was like, I'll save my questions for things I give a more about.

[A]

No, I've never been.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We'll just let that one be. Those that know and those that don't, don't.

[C]

Yeah, someone put it on the Reddit. Someone put on the subreddit. Later, we'll see maybe what that looks like.

[A]

Yeah, it is interesting the way they talk about things. Like, they all. They all talk about it specifically as the oyster roast and then the boat case. They don't say the boat accident. Like, everybody in the. In the town that's on the. Maybe it's just like a Southern.

[C]

Like a control. No, they control the language.

[A]

They control the language case. The boat case. It's just so interesting.

[C]

You don't think it's. You don't think it's because they're. They're like. They don't want to say the wrong thing.

[A]

I think that that's possible.

[B]

It's a euphemism.

[C]

I mean, they're controlling the language.

[A]

Throughout all of my research, all of the documentary stuff that I watched, everybody said that these people owned the town, owned the county, they owned the. The judicial, the judiciary. They owned the cops. They own the medical exam.

[B]

Like,

[A]

this is as systemic as it gets, by the way.

[D]

Ethan, quick update. Dan did a little research. An oyster roast is a traditional Southern coastal gathering where oysters are steamed over an open fire beneath wet burlap sacks.

[B]

Why over burlap sacks? I don't know.

[A]

Underneath the sacks.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Is it in the ground, Dan?

[C]

I don't know, man.

[B]

It's steamed in the tears of minorities.

[D]

Even Dan's not white enough to know.

[A]

Like a clam bake on the beach. And they'll do that, like, underground. Like, they'll dig in the sand for that.

[B]

Why? Over.

[A]

I think it just keeps it hot. That's like how you steam it. It stays inside, but maybe. I don't know about an oyster roast, though.

[B]

We gotta steam them clams over a nice burlap sack sounds. What kind of sack you got burning over there?

[A]

Oyster roast.

[B]

Let's. I can't hear you, Dan.

[D]

Oh, it's on top.

[B]

What the.

[D]

This is so weird here.

[B]

Here it is. I got a photo for you guys. That's a nice burlap right there, boy. Brings lock.

[C]

Oh, it's really involved the sack. I didn't know it was really.

[A]

Yeah, keeps the heat in, I guess.

[B]

That's right. We like to sack it up.

[C]

Having that oyster roast burlap sack, like, hanging around. Oh, if I had that in high school, how many times people would get pranked?

[A]

Dude, that's what your pussy poncho smells like.

[C]

What I'm wearing to Shambhala smells exactly like that, Zach.

[A]

Like the oyster roast burlap people are gonna smell.

[B]

Harley coming. Is that heart? Is Harley here?

[A]

I smell an oyster roast. I smell it.

[D]

He's near.

[A]

He's near. That's scary. Okay, are we ready for the yes, ma', am. The bummer stuff. Okay, cool. So. All right, so they go to this oyster roast and then they also take the boat home at 1 o' clock in the morning up the river. And Paul and one of the other guys, Connor, decide to go to a bar for more alcohol.

[B]

Who is serving these children?

[A]

I know.

[B]

And by then he's probably pissed drunk too.

[A]

Already pissed drunk. Everyone said that Paul had an alcohol problem.

[B]

I'll be honest, at 19, to already have an alcohol problem is pretty hardcore. Pretty impressive business.

[A]

Pretty sad. Pretty sad. Yeah. Like he had an alter ego when he got drunk.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah, I think it was.

[B]

You guys know any.

[C]

You guys know anyone like that?

[A]

Yeah, they're alcoholics.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. And they. They like, have a person.

[A]

They have a name like, oh, this is Barbara. One of my friends says that I

[B]

have never seen that. That would scare the out I've seen.

[C]

I'll tell you, that person is so crazy different from the the other one. That, like. You understand the name thing, but yeah, it's like, what was that movie with. With the. The guy. He was all. The split. Split? Yeah, yeah.

[A]

No, I. I know a gay guy who's alter. Who's drunk and alter is named Barbara. And yeah, it's a very. It's a very different person, but it's also like a. An excuse to act like an. All right, so here they are, these obviously children who. Some of them look, they're like, want, like wobbling in underaged kids IDs. They must all have fake IDs. And then they get in there and they order shots.

[C]

This is like, everyone knows them already, right? Yeah. It doesn't even matter the id.

[B]

They know that this is. This is old, but this is old Paul Murdoch. We all know he ain't 21.

[D]

They see murder on the ID, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're good,

[C]

you're good, you're good.

[A]

Yeah, they don't question anything these people do.

[C]

Like, young Buster pulls up, gives an ID that clearly says old Buster, and you let him in.

[B]

Is not Buster Senior. So here's Paul having. Having a seat at the old bar top. Yeah, just a couple of kids having a few.

[A]

Now, some of the. Some of the kids said they didn't want to go, and they tried to talk Paul out of it, but he's like, no, I need a shot. So then they all went and this could have.

[B]

Who? I didn't have money for shots at 19.

[A]

Dude, the amount of money these people have is insane.

[B]

You know, the shots are expensive.

[C]

Shots were always crazy. Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

I'd have been too scared to ask for a shot. Anyway. Beer, I feel like, is the. About six minutes later, the two order another round. So they're having multiple shots. Paul is driving the boat within six minutes.

[B]

Wait, for real?

[A]

Driving the boat? Yes.

[B]

How many shots you have in six minutes?

[A]

Well, he said they ordered a second round after six minutes.

[B]

Do I wonder if these bartenders get. Get in trouble? Because they should, right? They're supposed to.

[A]

Yeah, I know that. The package store or the liquor stores, you guys probably call it, the liquor store got in trouble. They were sued by Mallory's family, and they settled for like $15 million. I don't know about this bar, but.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's clearly not a new thing.

[D]

The bartenders are liable for overpouring, but I. It's not. They're not responsible for checking IDs.

[A]

The bar. It would be the bar, right?

[D]

The bar itself. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

In Rhode island, it's called a package

[A]

store, and The Paki in Connecticut too.

[B]

You're not supposed to say that word.

[C]

Do you. Can you hit the button?

[D]

Yeah, I got it.

[A]

No, it's just P A, C K Y. The Paki in Michigan it's called the Party Store, which I think is fun.

[B]

That's right, it's fun. No, you're right.

[C]

None of these, none of these, none of these are serious though.

[B]

So what did we just see, Kate? So, all right.

[A]

So anyway, what we, what we just saw here was Paul Murdoch, who was driving his boat, getting multiple shots, served him at 1am in the dark on February 24, 2019. This is mere. This is like an hour before the crash. Then we then see him on the dock because there's more security footage. Shout out.

[B]

This is.

[A]

We see him on the dock. These are all the kids.

[B]

He's that. Oh, that's him trailing behind. Like he's pissed drunk.

[C]

He's like the drunkest out of everyone

[B]

and he looks angry with his hands.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, this is his girlfriend who apparently on the boat he was slapping and spitting at.

[B]

Oh my goodness, what a well adjusted young man.

[A]

Everyone's trying to like get him to chill out. This is Mallory here. This is so sad.

[B]

They're so over his ass.

[A]

Yeah. Everybody just wants to go home.

[B]

Especially the two that died seem. Especially over his ass.

[A]

Just Mallory dies. But it's really, really.

[B]

Oh, she okay?

[A]

She's the only one that died. Yeah. So they walk back to the thing. They're all fighting with him. The girls are fighting with, with him. This guy's kind of holding him back. He's flashing. He's just being really antagonistic and drunk and gross. It's 1:13 in the morning and they're walking.

[C]

Maybe someone's like, maybe I should drive the boat.

[A]

That does. That does happen on the boat. Because once they get on the boat, he starts doing like donuts in the water. I couldn't, I couldn't find the video. But in some of the documentaries you can see it where it's like the security camera just catches the light like going around and around. They. He was just with them like off the, off the coast of or off the shore. And everyone's like, let me drive. Stop. One kid wanted to like, tried to get him to like pull over so he could get out and go and get an Uber because he was scared that he was going to die. Like he literally said that two of the boys tried to stop him and take over the wheel, but he was like, this is my boat. I drive my boat. And Then he was reportedly shoving, spitting on and slapping his then girlfriend just prior to the crash. And at some point, they kind of all surrendered to the fact that he was going to crash them. They. They like, hunkered down in the boat and like, held on for dear life on the floor of the boat. And then at 2:17am they crashed head on into a piling on this bridge here.

[C]

Holy shit. How do you do that?

[A]

Like, you know Archer's Creek Bridge?

[C]

Well, you probably can't see.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It was super dark. It was super dark. But I mean, going very fast. Probably not really paying attention.

[B]

Yeah. Being drunk, easy. Just boom.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And any idea how fast they were going?

[A]

It was very fast. From, from the. The video that I saw, it reminded me of the Mackenzie Shilla video where

[C]

she crashed, side of the building, same thing.

[B]

They were going to have the video of them crashing.

[A]

I couldn't find it online.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Let's see if I can.

[C]

They don't. They don't have a single universally agreed upon speed, but the GPS apparently said 30 miles per hour.

[B]

And listen, that's fast enough because they just got launched out and that is what.

[A]

That is what happened.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So they, they hit the bridge. Five of them came up, one of them didn't. Mallory beach was not. Did not surface with them. Let me go to the next page here. Yeah.

[C]

And she looked like she was done. It's so true. She looked like she wanted nothing to do with it. Walking there, it looked like her. Her boyfriend was consoling her. Like, just like, we're on our way home type thing, you know, it's what. It just. Yeah, Like, I've been that person. Everyone's been that person.

[B]

She looks sober, too. And it's always the sober people that die.

[A]

So sad. Anthony, her boyfriend, was really good friends with Paul. So I'm sure that that was kind of like the narrative of, like, let's just get home. Like, you know how he is. Everything's gonna be fine. Like, maybe one of us can drive. Like, it'll be okay. I mean, it's just so, so, so devastated. So. Yeah. This is 2:17am they crash. After the crash, there's the 911 call. They're frantically searching for Mallory, can't find her. She does not surface until a week later, five miles down the river.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

Yeah. But in the meantime, we did get dash cam footage from the cops at the accident. And you could hear Anthony, Mallory's boyfriend, who was so beside himself he refused to go to the hospital despite his injuries and insisted on staying behind to wait and look for her and. And wait for news. And you can hear him saying about Paul, who's approaching him. Get that motherfucker away from me. So here's that little clip.

[B]

We're on the main road. You won't miss us.

[A]

Get that right there.

[C]

Away from me.

[A]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[B]

We'll be here.

[A]

He'll say a little bit more here.

[B]

You talk about that one with no shirt on.

[A]

Hey, do not.

[B]

I don't want you getting in trouble. You hear me? Listen to me.

[A]

I think the officer's trying to calm him down. He says, I don't want you getting in trouble. He doesn't want.

[C]

Don't do anything stupid. Yeah, like the cop telling him that. We don't want to make him angry.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah. You can barely hear what he said.

[C]

He said, let me drive. I. I told them something. I told that. To let me drive. He said something like that.

[A]

It sounds like it's very quiet.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Like, God dang. I told that to let me drive. I have another clip here. I'm gonna.

[B]

I'm assuming he was totally unharmed from this crash, right?

[A]

Mostly. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, two of his. Two of the friends, One of them got, like, these horrible jaw injuries. Another, I think it was one of the girls. Her finger was all busted up like multiple kids needed surgery. Doesn't seem like Paul needed anything.

[B]

He needed.

[C]

Yeah, I did. I did. I was curious, and I. And I. I pulled up and. Yeah, he. He had relatively minor injuries. Connor had a. A fractured broken jaw.

[A]

Yeah, he. He's the one that tried to take the wheel.

[C]

Yeah, you'll. Yeah, you. I was gonna say you'll tell us what happened with that, but, yeah, he. And he's the one that made the call, which is interesting because he had a broken jaw.

[B]

That's how it always is, man. The drunk driver is always fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's horrible. So, yeah, then there's this little video, which it. It definitely gives you insight into the Murdochs running the town. This is. And again, this is Anthony, who is Paul's best friend. Right. And he had said, get this away from me, and now says this about him. All right, here we go.

[B]

You all know Alec Murdoch.

[A]

Y' all know Alec Murdoch.

[C]

That's his son. Oh, good. That's so crazy.

[B]

Good luck.

[A]

He said, yeah, that's his son. And then he said. Driving the boat. And he said, good luck.

[B]

Good luck.

[A]

All right, well, we're gonna pause there for the ad read.

[B]

You want to be. Hey, you Know what? Let's. You know what? This makes me feel like I want to get cozy for.

[A]

Honestly, after. After doing all of this research and it being so depressing, I would love.

[B]

You know what's the opposite of a cold, reckless, drunken drive on a boat? Cozy.

[A]

Cozy.

[B]

Maybe we could do like five more minutes, Dan, and then come. Yeah, we'll do five more minutes. Yeah, yeah. I've done this enough times to know that that's a good idea.

[A]

Do we want to, like, talk about something else for five minutes before we. Because it's not going to get.

[B]

Not necessarily. Not necessarily. I think it's okay. Go ahead. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. All right, so let's see. Oh, there's no. Okay, there's that. All right, sleepy. This. All right, so this show is brought to us by Cozy Earth.

[B]

Do it.

[C]

Wait, I thought.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

Oh, we want to do more of the show.

[B]

Let it ride.

[A]

Oh, I thought when you said let's do it, you meant the ad. Okay, okay, we'll just do it. We'll just do it.

[B]

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[A]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Let's see. All right, what's next?

[B]

I can't be losing a sponsors on my first. I don't care.

[A]

All right, so he says, good luck. All right, so at the hospital. Oops, let me pull that back up. We're at the hospital. All the kids have gone to the hospital except for Anthony while they're at the hospital. Mr. Paul is like out of his mind. He is having to like, be restrained by the medical staff several hours after the crash. He still has a blood alcohol level of 0.24, which is three times the legal limit. This is hours later. So the Lord only knows how high his alcohol, his BAC was when he was actually driving the boat.

[C]

It's funny that they like put him on ice to let it simmer down a little bit and it was still blasted beyond blasted. But they really. You said it was hours after.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

How do you not take it immediately?

[A]

Huh? Well, because immediately Paul calls Grandpa Buster. He calls Grandpa Buster, who comes to the hospital with his dad, Alec, after Paul has said on the phone to Buster that Connor was the one driving when they crashed. According to everyone in the boat. That's not true.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Wait, hold on. The grandpa and dad tried to pin it on Connor that these people are real sick. That's. That's next level.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Sick and probably. Probably normally would have been easy to do.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

It's just like that's how it is. And that's what we're gonna go with.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

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[A]

Does it sound good now? Okay.

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Oh, I heard about it on the main show.

[B]

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[A]

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Very good stuff there. Yeah. Yeah. And stuff that I never really browsed through.

[A]

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[B]

If only Paul had those.

[A]

Maybe better maybe we would have helped him.

[B]

Never happened.

[A]

Maybe. Maybe Ethan's trying to get us.

[B]

No, no, no. We just moved right along.

[A]

Fast.

[B]

Go. Hurry.

[C]

Fast. Get out of here.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[D]

So.

[A]

Okay. So he's out of his mind. He calls his grandpa and his dad. They come down. Not only are they trying to pin it on Connor, they are going around to every hospital bed and instead of being like, are you okay? They're saying, don't say anything to the cops. And if you do, tell them you don't remember who was driving.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So then the kids are on record saying, I don't know or I don't remember.

[B]

How do we know that's what they said?

[A]

Because they were deposed ahead of the

[B]

trial for Paul and somebody spilled the beans. Eh.

[C]

Also apparently Connor sued the Murdaughs eventually.

[A]

There's a lot. Yeah, there were a lot of lawsuits flying around and yeah, there's. There, there's a lot. So Alex and old Buster at the hospital. Oh, Buster. They also tried this. This is important. Okay. They. They also tried hooking up all the kids with a very specific lawyer named Corey Fleming. That's all I'm going to tell you for now. Corey Fleming was a friend of the Murdochs. He was Alec Murdoch's former college roommate and he was young Buster's godfather.

[C]

Remember this face, people?

[B]

That's a face I'm not going to forget. Although it does. It kind of looks like all the other ones.

[A]

I know the eyes.

[B]

He's got those eyes.

[A]

He's got those eyes. And Anthony Mallory's boyfriend was actually represented by him for a hot second until all the connections to the Murdochs came out. And then his parents are like, absolutely not. So this guy was. Was being pushed by the Murdochs. Like, yeah, kids use this lawyer, like, use him to, like, sue for, you know, damages from insurance. And they were pushing this guy. I wonder why. We'll find out. So, like I said, March 3, 2019, is when Mallory's body was sadly found five miles downriver. And then April 18, 2019. Oop, that's the next one. Mr. Mr. Paul was charged with three felony counts, including boating under the influence, causing the death of Mallory and seriously injuring two other passengers.

[C]

What a freaking head on this guy.

[A]

Yeah, he's got a big. A big Irish noggin for sure. He pleaded guilt, he pleaded not guilty and was released on bond. And here he is. Harley, will you look that up? I want to show this video what his bond was. I doubt it was very much. I feel like it was 50k. All right. But here he is. Before he. Before he made bond, they tried to cuff him to bring him back to the jail cell.

[C]

50K. You're right.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

That is not enough for a murder.

[C]

He did not have to post 50,000 in cash. A personal recognizance bond mentee was released based on his promise to appear in court. Subjected conditions.

[B]

So you didn't have to put money down. He didn't even, like, alone, according to

[C]

Hilton Head island packet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So there was no bond.

[A]

Essentially just the personal recognizance.

[B]

Yeah, I swear.

[A]

Go ahead. Yeah. He's like, I won't do it. I won't kill anybody else. And here's the. Here's the bailiff trying to cuff him

[D]

before.

[B]

Who's that old ass next to him?

[A]

That's one of his lawyers. Nice camera work here, but you'll see the. This is the bailiff here. Come over and Paul, let me see this ass look like. Who do you think you are? He's like, what? You're not cuffing me. Get a little sliver of him. Come on. There he is. He's like, ew. Not getting up for you. He's such a little. He's such a little. All right, so that's crazy.

[B]

He doesn't end up cuffing him. I want to see him get cuffed.

[A]

He doesn't get cuffed the lawyers stop him from getting cuffed.

[B]

Wow. These guys just make up the rules as they go, eh?

[C]

I would have hit him with a right now, get up now. All.

[B]

Yeah, but now you'd go home to, like a dead wife.

[A]

You're like, not even. Not even exaggeration.

[C]

You just keep counting because you have no power.

[A]

Yeah, you have no power.

[B]

95.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

96.

[A]

Oh, Paul, let's share this again. So the court case was dragged out for two years. Shocker. So the.

[B]

He's out the whole time.

[A]

Out the whole time. He got pulled, pulled over for speeding while he was out, but nothing else. So April 2019, he gets out the court case. Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen. And it probably. Probably would have dragged on longer. But then on June 7, 2021, he is fucking murdered.

[B]

Couldn't happen to a. To a nicer fella.

[A]

That's true. That's so true. So, yeah, he was shot and killed along with his mom. And he never saw any court or jail time.

[B]

He was murdered by his dad. So that's pretty tough.

[A]

Pretty bad. That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad here.

[C]

That's because his dad was like, you idiot. And your son's even dumber. Handle it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then he does this and he's like, you idiot.

[A]

Yeah, you can just tell. Old busters, like, just so disappointed.

[B]

It's such an amazing twist, though. It's almost. You really don't see true crimes like this because who would have thought that from this horrific tragedy, this Paul kid who's done this horrible crime, this horrible murder would be eclipsed later on in the story by his own dad and even more an arguably even more horrific crime.

[A]

Well, plus all the others that are coming. There's is so much. There's so much. And I'm hoping I got as much of it as I can. So we do have the 911 call that Alec Murdoch made the night that his. That someone murdered his wife and son. And so here is just a little bit of it. There might be some blood in the picture, so maybe don't show it, but you guys should be able to hear it, right?

[B]

If I play, I can hear it? Yeah. Yeah, go for it.

[A]

Okay, cool. All right.

[B]

You can show it. And if. And we can always hit the video button. It's too violent.

[A]

All right, Just show it then. I guess. My wife and child. Okay, I would hit the video button. 4000, 147. Mozart doesn't look like blood. Okay. You said 4147 Moselle Road analysis.

[D]

I hit it.

[A]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Stay on the line with me. Okay. All right, so that's a piece of it. I mean it's, that's, that's basically what it is. This is down at the kennels at their island and home. This is June 7, 2021. 10:07pm is when Alec Murdoch calls the police, frantic that his wife and son have been killed.

[B]

Kennels at their house? Like what the.

[A]

Well, it was like their, their hunting lodge. They have like hunting dogs. Yeah, the dogs like lived down there. Just so, so weird to me. I can't think of. Yeah, puppies. Just like living without people like that. It's just so strange.

[D]

Those kennels might have been passed down too, from.

[A]

Oh yeah, yeah. They've had like the hunting lodge forever and. Okay, so this is what the defense says happens. They say that Alec got home from work around 6:30pm Maggie and Paul were at the house and they all had dinner together. And they were all in. This is literally a quote. They were communicating in a very loving fashion because they're, they were like texting each other, but they're all in the same house. It's very, very weird.

[C]

Hey, son, just want to say I

[A]

love you while you're sitting next to me in the house.

[C]

Dad, I was just thinking about how we never ever wanted to kill each other or anything.

[B]

Do we have those messages?

[A]

Let me see if they have the, the final messages. I know there's. They, they have them between. Some of them. Between. Let me see. Paul and Alex Murdoch texts. They had some of the finals between.

[B]

Well, we could. We'll have some.

[A]

Maggie and Alex.

[B]

Yeah, someone can look for them as we continue on.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, if someone wants to do that, that would be fantastic. So, yeah, so they were apparently communicating and everything. After dinner, Maggie goes down to let the dogs out again. This is all what the defense alleges. Paul also left the house, but Alex doesn't. Alec didn't know where he went. And Alec laid down on the couch and fell asleep.

[B]

Wait, hold on, hold on.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Alec fell asleep after the murders.

[A]

He fell asleep after dinner, which was

[B]

like at 6:30 after dinner. He's okay, man. He was like, listen, that's what I call my family. That's what I call indigestion.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

This is, this is a commercial for like PepsiD, you know, Toms.

[A]

This episode brought to you by Don't.

[B]

Don't go to sleep right after eating a meal. You'll wake up and kill your family.

[A]

Yeah. For real. So he also.

[C]

They were, they were dead by gunshots. Right?

[B]

Many, many shotguns even.

[C]

I've never eaten so much that I don't hear like don't get woken up from the shotgun blasts.

[B]

Yeah, but how many times have you been tried to be woken up from shotgun blasts, Harley?

[C]

I'm just saying I've never been out cold to the point that a shotgun blast wouldn't instantly wake me up.

[B]

You don't know that because, because maybe you've already slept through it and you didn't realize.

[C]

Well, I just, someone could come in and like turn off the TV and I wake up. So I assume a shotgun blast would.

[A]

Well, I think the, I think the, the kennel was at least a little bit of a drive away, like probably like a few acres away potentially, because Maggie had to drive down there. I mean they're, they have a lot of land. They had a landing strip, like a plane landing strip on their property.

[C]

For full size planes or for remote control planes. Like Tyler Perry?

[A]

No, like private planes. Which is another. Which is like a weird thing I didn't even have time to get into is like why do they have that? But yeah, so he, he says he's laid down and fell asleep. Woke up at 9, tried to call Maggie, no answer. And then he tried to call Paul, no answer. And then at 9:00 ish, he says that he left his house to go check on his mom who has dementia. Why does it, why is he checking on a woman in the middle of the night who should just be sleeping? The nurse's aide corroborated that he was there for 20 minutes. Then he drives back at 10 and discovers their bodies at 10.07pm so Ma lives with them, mom does not live with them. He went elsewhere. I think it was like a 20 minute drive away to visit his mom who, you know, has round the clock care for dementia. And then on his way back, he was, you know, still trying to get in touch with the. The family drove down to the kennel and then found them. Here's another little piece of the 911 recording.

[C]

And so, yeah, just because I was curious, the Moselle estate is their 1700 acre rural hunting estate.

[A]

That's where this all happened.

[C]

Yeah, that's where they were killed. But it's not the primary residence. The main home was in the town of Edisto Beach.

[A]

Yep. And Edisto is where Maggie was living at this time. So it's very weird that she would have just been at the Moselle house randomly. And we will see that she felt sketched out by. By some communications from. From Alec inviting her to the moselle house side.

[D]

1700 acres is fucking crazy.

[C]

Insane for a house that's planted in Canadian sized football field.

[A]

The wealth is. The wealth is crazy. The wealth is absolutely crazy. So here's Alec talking about the 911 call and him kind of like planting the seed that maybe this was a revenge killing. We're getting somebody out there to you.

[B]

What's happening? He's listening to his.

[A]

He's listening to his 911 call on the stand. Al,

[B]

we just heard you say I should have known.

[A]

What are you referring to? I said Paul, Paul, I should have known. What were you referring to you?

[B]

I was referring Paw got so many threats.

[A]

Pawa is Paul the son

[B]

didn't take serious. Think twice about.

[A]

I'm just telling him, Paul, I should have known. Yeah. Basically he's saying that someone from the boat case did it and he should have known that this would happen to him because he was getting all kinds of threats after. After the boat case. Which I'm sure is true. I'm sure is absolutely true.

[C]

You know what's really pissing me off like as an a family internal nickname for Paul?

[A]

Paw Paw.

[C]

It's a weird family.

[A]

It's like a grandpa.

[C]

If I heard that, I'd be like they're gonna. He's gonna. Yeah, someone. Yeah, that's. The whole family's weird. Just on that alone.

[A]

It's very, very.

[C]

Before we even get to all the. The killing and the. The hiding and covering up and so much. What's the word when you kill your own family? Isn't there a word?

[B]

There's patricide. I know. Once you kill your dad, I don't know what's called.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Your own son though.

[C]

I mean this is family annihilation. Jinx. Oh my God. We're so synced. I can't believe we said family annihilation together.

[B]

Wait, that's the official term for it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What is it?

[A]

Family annihilator?

[B]

Filicide.

[A]

That's killing a brother. Or is that just in general? Maybe.

[C]

Is it family annihilation? If you only.

[B]

That's not a word. That's like a whole ass sentence. Family. You might. You might as well just say, oh yeah. It's when you kill your whole family.

[C]

It's like a Mortal Kombat ending.

[B]

Like family is family annihilation.

[A]

Familicide.

[D]

By the way, Harley, side note, 1700 acres is roughly 960 soccer fields.

[C]

Interesting. And where'd you get your information from?

[B]

Oh, you do.

[C]

You do Canadian ones?

[D]

I didn't specifically do Canadian ones, but

[B]

I can get back to the drawing board.

[C]

I got.

[A]

I got.

[C]

I got. I got 12.

[A]

Yeah, buddy. Okay, so let's look at the actual injuries that happen. This is a good summing up of. Of what the injuries looked like with a. I think it's a ballistics expert. Maggie was shot, you know, five times and was found face down on a cement path. There were some things, though, that were really curious. Shot through the abdomen, and somehow it made it all the way up to her brain. And then also shot in the left wrist, left thigh, back of the scalp, and then the upper Abdomen. She was 30 yards away from Paul. She was shot with a rifle. And Paul, she was. Thought. Yeah, she was shot with an AR15.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

She was a lot of damage. Mm. And they think that she was running away, and that's how she got all the weird, like, trajectories. And then they. He'll say a little bit more about it. He was shot with a shotgun, also found face down. He was shot in the shoulder and the head, and he was also shot in the chest. So he was shot with a shotgun. So it's like the shot. All the. Like, the. I'm guessing it was buckshot and two different types of ammunition were used. That's just so confusing. Look at those two directions. One shot goes up, and the other one shot goes up another way. I want to bring in Joseph Scott Morgan. He's a certified death investigator. He's also a distinguished scholar of applied forensics at Jacksonville. This is not the guy. The guy in the documentary was what I was talking about. So basically what happened was Maggie was shot three times while she was apparently running away. And then they. Whoever it was, came up over her and shot her twice in the head with. With an AR15.

[C]

Like your own wife, your own son. And, like, something is everywhere to me and everything. Yeah, but he was an idiot. But everything. All this happens. All this happens. Like, if. If the son didn't have this thing happen with the boat, he's just happily ever after. It's fine. Or, like, was he. Was he. Like, I was waiting for a reason?

[B]

No, I think it. His life up. That his son got in this horrible accident. And it. His business up. His life up. He probably lost a shitload of money.

[A]

Well, yeah, there was. There was something happening three days after this shooting that gives the whole motive to why Alec did this. And we'll we'll talk about that. So that's Maggie.

[B]

And then someone said papa side. Yeah, but he shot. He shot his son in the face with a shotgun. That's like, that's crazy.

[A]

In like the chest and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. And the guy in one of the documentaries was saying that when you shoot at like close range, within like 10ft with shot like that, with a shotgun, all of the shot is together in one, like, blast. It doesn't go out like this like it's supposed to. So, yeah, he was, I mean, yes. Eviscerated. Horrible, horrible stuff. So, yeah, Paul was shot in the kennel at close range. We know Maggie was shot outside at a. At a distance. Here's. Here's what happened based on the actual evidence. So there was no dinner together.

[B]

Alex push murder without dinner first.

[A]

Sorry, Murder without dinner first.

[C]

That's cold.

[A]

Alex was at the Moselle house at the lodge and he pushed his wife to meet him there so they could travel to meet to. To see old Buster. She thought that was weird. She said that it was fishy and that he was up to something. Allegedly. This is what she texted to a friend. I tried to find that text and they. It doesn't. Everyone's just saying she allegedly texted this friend that he was up to something. It was fishy. They were living. Yeah, they were living separately. And she could have just met him at the hospital and said as much. She's like, I'll just meet you at the hospital. He's like, no, no, no, come here.

[C]

No, we. We got to meet at the, the kennel at 2:00am you remember? Yeah, I remember. I had, I told you I was looking for. For something. Oh, but I want to show you something here. Yeah, come.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it's really important.

[C]

Papa's already here. Yeah, Papa's already here.

[A]

So sad. So, yeah, it was as she was driving to the house to meet him, she texted a friend and told them that his behavior was fishy. The. The source told a magazine that was doing an article. Murdoch claimed that at the times of the killing, he had been with his mother, who had dementia. However, cell phone data, including video that Pawpaw himself shot, places him at the scene while he was allegedly with his mother. So what? The last thing Paul did was post a video of the dogs on Snapchat. And you can hear Alex voice in the video. And we do have one of Alex friends. So dumb. Destroyed by his son's own video.

[B]

Get it. Get back.

[A]

So that's Paul revealing a 58 second cell phone video recorded by Paul Murdoch, who's that good boy predicting Alec murder.

[B]

Yeah. What the. You know, like, what. What are they doing to those dogs? I mean, forget the family. Well, this is inhumane the way that they're keeping those dogs locked up. Yeah, I mean, shoot your family in the face, I don't care. But, Doc, you know, draw the line. You know, there's a. I just reminded me on the the Odyssey. I got upset only when the dog. There was a scene with the dog, and that's the only time I shed a tear.

[A]

We talked about that, too. Like, that was the only. That was the only moment. And for me, like, that's why the movie wasn't a 10, because I'm. I'm, like, pretty emotional and I cry pretty easily. Nothing got it out of me except that dog. And I almost felt like he was milking it a little bit with, like, everybody kicking the dog and stuff. I was like, okay, I don't think we need to do all that. I just felt a little manipulative. Christopher. Yeah, got me, too. Oh, this final little tail wags. Okay, so here is. Let's see if we can hear Alex voice on this minute before his wife and son were shot to death. In the video, you can see Paul going into a pen on the family's property to check on a friend's dog. In the background, you hear other voices. So that's Maggie.

[B]

Oh, who's that?

[A]

That's not.

[B]

Maybe that was. Maybe. Maybe it was unplanned. That was the final straw. The dog ate his favorite bird.

[A]

It's like you're all dead. Now you hear other voices. Hey, he's got a bird in his mouth. Oh, my God, there's a chicken.

[B]

I sound drunk. It's a chicken.

[A]

It probably is. He's always drunk.

[C]

Where's the dog? Lie down on the concrete.

[A]

I guess there's a chicken.

[B]

Is a chicken.

[A]

Come here, bubba.

[B]

What an idiot, bro. You're so caught.

[A]

So caught. Let's see if there's any more there. Now we all. But then we do have Alex friend testifying he's sorry.

[C]

He still didn't have any clue what Snapchat is. No, he's like, what is Snapchat? I thought. I thought it disappears.

[A]

And this is what undid him, right? Like. Like we were saying at the top. The Internet is these guys that don't understand it and can't move within it yet. Good. So here is. Here's one of Alex good old boys testifying that it's his voice on the. On the tape.

[C]

Did he say whether or not he had gone down to the kennels with Maggie and Paul before he left to go to Almeida after 9pm that,

[B]

that came up in one of the conversations and he specifically said that he did not.

[A]

He did not.

[B]

Did not.

[A]

Let me try to find that.

[C]

Recognize any voices?

[A]

Okay, here we go.

[C]

Want you to listen to it and tell me if you recognize any voices on this video.

[A]

Please, dude, don't feel guilty. You're doing the right thing.

[B]

Is he thinking or listening?

[A]

I think they're. They're queuing it up. Or maybe it's just not loud enough for us to hear. Oh, there we go.

[B]

Paul.

[C]

Papa.

[A]

Papa. Sorry. Yeah, you can already hear him in the back. You dumb ass. You know you did it.

[B]

It's a chicken.

[C]

Let him.

[A]

Let him what?

[C]

Have the bird in his mouth.

[B]

Yeah, I know he's in a cage. I mean, if he got found a bird in the cage, it's your fault.

[A]

Yeah, let him have it.

[B]

And he killed his whole family because of that.

[A]

He either he either killed his own family or he hired someone to kill his family and was there at that moment. Either way, I'm not sure which one it is.

[B]

I think it was him.

[A]

But like, either way, those were the final moments of his family and he was there. Like, that is so disgusting.

[C]

Yeah. Also, it'd be really pathetic to hire someone and cowardly.

[A]

Well, he is cowardly. Oh, he does hire someone later. Don't worry.

[C]

Because he should be there. He should have splash on him and like take a bullet to really sell it.

[B]

Yeah, true. Yeah.

[C]

Did you recognize any voices on that video? Mega Buster would have done it or whatever. His father.

[A]

Mega Buster. Mega Buster. Buster Tron.

[B]

Voices when all three get together. Buster Tron. The three voices on that video are the voices of Paul Murdoch, Maggie Murdoch and Alec Murdoch.

[A]

Sorry. How sure are you? How sure are you?

[B]

I'm 100 sure that a hundy.

[A]

See you later. See you later. So yeah, there. He completely lied about never being at the kennel. He was there moments before they were. They were shot to death. And the. The big question mark is why? Like, why did this happen? Why did he have to kill his family? There are lots of. There's lots of speculation. But one of the main things is that his massive history of financial fraud and embezzlement was about to be uncovered. The walls were closing in on Alec Murdoch for things that were happening before Paul was even born. Because June 7, 2021, the night that Maggie and Paul were killed, was only three days before a hearing for the wrongful death suit of Mallory beach, who died in the river. She was suing her family, was suing the liquor store and Alec Murdoch for a ton of money, tons of money for wrongful death. And basically, Alec had said, well, I can't pay my part of the settlement because I'm broke. So this hearing was to determine if he had to show his, like, financial records. And so.

[B]

Which hearing?

[A]

Yeah, so there was a hearing. There was a hearing for the wrongful death suit that was in process for Mallory beach, the girl who died in the river.

[B]

And when did it happen in relation to what we just watched?

[A]

That was going to happen? Hang on, let me go back here.

[C]

Before. Before his. Before they died.

[A]

June 7th was when they died. Nope. June 10th was going to be the hearing. So three days after their death, he was going to have to show all of his financial records already in three days? Well, no, they had sued the. The. The wrongful death suit started in 2019.

[D]

February.

[C]

He just killed them three days before because he ran out of ideas.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And he was like, I. I don't. I didn't do it because my family was murdered.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. So, all right. So, yeah, so he knows that he's about to have to show his finances for this wrongful death settlement that's been going for years now. This was three days before. And he knows that that is going to uncover an insane story of embezzlement that we are now going to look into. So we're going to go all the way back to 2018, a full year before the riverboat crash. And any of that happens, a housekeeper named Gloria Satterfield dies on the Murdoch's front steps. Okay? And Here is the 911 call from Maggie. So again, this is before any of this has happened. This is 2018. What's going on out there? My housekeeper has fallen and has head is bleeding. I cannot get her up. Okay, you said she saw him. She's bleeding from the head? Yes. Okay. How old is she? I'm not sure. Like 58 maybe. Do you know if she saw from standing or not? No, no. Where she saw from?

[C]

From the.

[A]

She fell going up the steps, up the brick steps.

[C]

She.

[A]

She fell going up the steps is what she says. Later on, Paul will say on the phone that the dog knocked her over. So there's already, like, confusion about how this happened. Did she fall going up the steps? Did the dog knock her down from the top of the steps? Either way, this woman bleeds out on the sidewalk of the Murdoch's house, the Murdochs. Alec Murdoch approaches her sons, Gloria's sons, at the funeral and says that he's going to take care of them. He's going to help them out. He's going to make sure that they get the money that they deserve for this. For this accident, this wrongful death. And they say, and he says, go see my friend Corey.

[B]

Old dead eyes. Old dead eye. Whitey.

[A]

Yep. They say, ghost.

[D]

He looks like a chomp chain.

[A]

A what?

[C]

Like the chomp chain in Mario. Like his head.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

The ball that's biting.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Smooth and round.

[A]

I see that. I see that. He does have a very round head. So, yeah, he says, go see my buddy Fleming, who we know was his former college roommate. He'll take care of it. He will file the claim for insurance, he'll sue the insurance company, and you guys will get a settlement. And it worked. He got them a $404.3 million settlement, but he never told Gloria's kids about it, which.

[B]

Who didn't tell him? This attorney who took the money. All dead eyes.

[A]

He took the settlement, gave it to his daughter Alex, and he and Alec put it into a personal account.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

He split it. He split it with his boy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What they did was they. All right, so they said, next level, they were going to put the money into a settlement management firm.

[B]

Oldest trick in the book.

[A]

Yes, exactly. Called Forge Consulting. Right. Which is like an insane name for this in the entire thing. What they did is on top of that. So they're like, yeah, we're going to put it all in Forge Consulting. They go to a bank where they know the owners, and they open a personal account just called Forge.

[C]

So you went. He literally went to the Murdoch at the bank, the Murdoch that runs the

[A]

bank, the Lafittes, who are like their friends at Palmetto Bank. And he opens this account called Forge and just drops 4.3 million into this account. Made it look like the money was being deposited into, like, the real Forge Consulting to anybody who might look at a glance and know that Forge is like this company. But really it was just like this private, private account. Like a personal account for the two of them. And so eventually, he is arrested for fraud and misappropriation for this case, Alec is arrested, and this guy.

[B]

It was a perfect crime. How could they have been caught for like two seconds? It's actually so dumb. It's actually such a dumb cry. It's kind of stunningly simple minded crime.

[A]

Extremely simple minded.

[C]

Yeah. But if you don't get in trouble. You could just do it.

[A]

But they would get them in trouble. Who would get them in trouble? Well, this is after over a decade.

[B]

It took a decade. Okay.

[A]

To clients.

[B]

Oh, this lawyer is doing it to other clients.

[A]

Yeah, you know, that's what happened to

[B]

Beverly Hills housewife Erica Jane's husband. Yeah, that's what he got for in the end.

[A]

So I want, I. I'm going to show you guys some of the other victims of these financial crimes. I want to tell me, just tell me if you notice anything.

[B]

Well, let me see.

[C]

A lot of men and I. I do, I find that's what's like men can be prey more often than not. Is what I'm gathering from this sample.

[B]

Well, there is one woman. I see two athletes.

[A]

That's about it though, right?

[B]

Yeah, that's the only commonality.

[D]

I see two bald guys.

[B]

What did you expect me to say?

[A]

So these are some of the other clients who sued for wrongful death.

[B]

Anyone listening? I guess we say for anyone that's listening. They're all. They're all black.

[A]

They're all black.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is just a sampling. There were at least 10 clients, I believe that all of them were black. If not like 8 out of 10, 9 out of 10 were Black who came together and sued under a different lawyer after. After the 2018 case was exposed.

[B]

It'll be funny if the lawyer they used was another one of his roommates that kept the money. When they won, they just.

[A]

They just shell game it back and forth.

[D]

Keeps going.

[B]

He split it with Alec again.

[A]

Fucking insane. Fucking insane. So we have Hakeem Pinkney, who should have gotten almost a million dollars. He was in an accident. He was already deaf. He was in an accident, became a quadriplegic and then was. Ended up dying. And so his family was robbed of over a million dollars. We have Jordan Jinx, Elise Mallory. Jordan Jinx was in an accident and he was actually a friend of Alex from childhood. And Alex, they look like they both

[C]

played on the Red Devils.

[A]

He's the guy in the, the top middle is, is Jordan Jenks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

How much she's screwing?

[A]

Mallory? I think it was all. Let me see, let me get the exact figure.

[B]

This guy really has no, he has no moral fight. Like he is just a complete psychopath.

[A]

It's disgusting. It's so disgusting. Elise Mallory on the right, her daughter was killed in an ambulance crash and that was like over a hundred thousand dollars that she was supposed to get. Let me see what Jinx was so yeah, these are. These are just some of them. And it's. He preyed on poor people, on black people, on people who were less knowledgeable about the law. Okay. Jinx is $150,000 as well. And so, yeah, over time, over a decade, he stole about $10 million from clients.

[C]

Like, how he existed was other people's money.

[A]

Yes. It was all just moving their money in. And it was all just like a Ponzi scheme, essentially.

[B]

What do you think? He's like, I'm going to get away with this. I'm going to get away with this forever.

[A]

His whole family did forever, you know,

[B]

I mean, yeah, 10 years. Long time to get away with something so brazenly dumb.

[A]

Isn't it? So bad.

[C]

I just keep repeating it.

[A]

When your family's the prosecution, when, you know, all the lawyers in town and all the cops and everybody is. Is too scared to say anything about you, you get kind of cocky and you get kind of messy. And I think that that's what happened. What we don't know is besides his opioid addiction that he started blaming everything on, we don't know where this money went. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Oh, Alec was shooting up.

[A]

Serious pill. Serious pill problem. Serious pill problem.

[B]

Sick.

[A]

But we don't know where all this money meant because, I mean, 10 million, like millions of dollars. You don't need millions to sustain that. So people don't know if it's gambling, if it's, you know, mistresses, secret families killing people. Killing people. It could be any of these things. It's unclear and we may never know. And I wonder if the, the, the landing strip at their house, the airfield, plays a role in all of this as well. So Gloria, sweet Gloria, poor Gloria, the housekeeper. Her case was reopened as a criminal investigation in 2021. So three years later, when all of this stuff started bubbling up, her family went and pushed for her body to be exhumed and for them to start.

[B]

Now, what happened with that? Because the wife called it in. Does that mean she was in on.

[A]

Could have been an accident, but then they took advantage of it. But I don't know, because the wife says one thing. Maggie says she fell up the stairs. But then Paul's testimony is that. Or what he said to 911 is that the dogs tripped her. Like they jumped up and tripped her and she fell and, and cracked her skull. So that is also unclear.

[C]

There must have been also, like, signs also if that Alex, I don't know, was violent or was something, but I don't know. It's Crazy if someone was killed on the doorstep and, you know, you were aware of it and your husband was like, oh, Mimi. And at the dog kennel, I want to show you something over by the gun rack and bring. And bring my least favorite son. Also,

[B]

you remember embarrassment. Remember where we buried the last housekeeper? Meet me over by her grave.

[A]

No funny business, I promise. I promise. Yeah, I mean, she may have been. She may have been either a witness who saw stuff and then had to be. Had to be killed, or it's something like she knew where the. Either literal or figurative bodies were buried. As all of this stuff was bubbling up, it's. It's unclear why, really, why either of them had to die. Except, I mean, you know, people talk about the financial crimes, but also maybe he was going to do to them what he had done to everybody else. Take the insurance money on him, you know, like, he didn't seem to give a. About anything.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So was there any updates with her

[A]

case or with her case? Let me see. Let me see. Let me search my document here to see if I missed anything. It was mo. It was. It was reopened September. I know that he was charged with the. The civil suit of. Oh, no, wait, he was. He was charged with her case and the others, the financial crimes in November of 2023. So he went. He's. He's got a huge. Let's see. He pled guilty in 2023, in November to embezzling insurance money from clients like Gloria and was sentenced to 27 years in prison for his crimes. This is separate from the criminal investigation into him killing his wife and. And son. And Mr. Corey was indicted alongside him. So he is also in. In jail. He is in prison for 13 years.

[B]

I wonder if he got that same dumbass smirk on his face in prison.

[A]

Shout out. I sure hope not. I hope.

[C]

I wonder if he has Internet and he watches H3.

[B]

If you're watching this, buddy, you, dude, you suck.

[A]

You.

[B]

You're a loser, dude. And you suck. Later.

[A]

All right, here's another weird thing. So we were talking about how Alex should have, like, hired someone or it would be cowardly for him to hire someone to kill his family, right? Well, turns out he did hire someone for something else. September 3, 2021. So this is. I know there's a lot of dates. Things have been happening for a long time

[B]

regarding her. This is the newest update. The strange part is that Murdoch later admitted he invented the story that his dogs caused Gloria's fall to obtain the insurance payout that. That exposed insurance fraud. But it did not establish that Gloria was murdered. South Carolina investigators reopened the death investigation in 2021 and obtained permission to exhume her remains in 2022. However, no homicide charge or definitive public finding about precisely how she fell has followed. So the financial conspiracy was solved and prosecuted. The suspicious circumstance surrounding her actual death remains publicly unresolved.

[A]

The criminal cases? Yeah, pending or. I don't even know if they're going to do anything with it. But yeah, they did. They did exhume her.

[C]

So.

[A]

Okay, so June 2021, the boy and mother are killed September 2021. So three months later, Alec is shot in the head. Oh, Alec is shot in the head on the side of the road. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

[B]

Wait, why was he not in prison?

[A]

Well, he wasn't a suspect yet.

[B]

Oh, Seems like he'd be the obvious first suspect he blamed.

[A]

Well, not in that town, not in Hampton. He had blamed the, the boat case people and like the parents and the vengeance of people in town. And you know, also he was an attorney and, you know, all these people might hate him and have reason to kill him. So they were moving real slow on making him a. A suspect or even a person of interest. So as they're starting to investigate that crime scene and, and the murder and everything, this gets shot in the head. He says that it was some young guy who just came up while he was. While he was changing a tire and basically did like a. A drive by shooting. Just shot him and, and kept going.

[B]

Who says that? Wait, Alex did survived? Oh, yeah, he survived getting shot in the head. Dude, I'm telling you, the demon. Demon time is working hard, like keeping this guy alive after getting shot in the head.

[A]

Well, it's because the guy on the left, Curtis, Eddie Smith, who was the actual shooter was Alex Friend that he hired to stage a murder in order to get an insurance payout.

[B]

He paid someone to shoot him in the head.

[A]

And the guy it up.

[B]

Oh, he wanted to die.

[A]

He wanted to die. So because there was a $10 million insurance policy on himself. So basically he was doing to himself what he had done to all these other people.

[B]

So who is he trying to benefit?

[A]

His Buster, the son that was still alive.

[B]

Oh, he did it all for Buster.

[D]

He must have really passed on the legacy.

[B]

He was the only one he ever truly loved.

[A]

So I'm gonna kill your mother and brother, and then I'm gonna kill myself. You're gonna be alone, but you're gonna have $10 million. And it's not the most Important thing

[B]

it might be that Buster's the real puppet master in all this. Think about it. I don't know.

[A]

I don't. I don't see puppet master and Buster, but maybe, maybe. So he was.

[C]

He could have that. He could have the last, the surviving evil Murdoch gene.

[A]

Well, there's. There is a Buster story in which he could be very, very evil. And, well, that is still a case that is open.

[C]

And I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. But I can't wait to hear it. But I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.

[B]

He's innocent.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's never done anything wrong. All right, so free my boy. So according to Eddie. Who's this guy on the left? Curtis? Eddie Smith. He is Alex's distant cousin. Alex, distant cousin and a former client who was also his oxy drug dealer. So this guy was just like a one, a one stop shop for him. Did a lot of different things for him. I imagine he's probably shot other people for Alec, if I were to guess.

[D]

Well, I mean, look at him.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. If someone was like, oh, I gotta pull up here for a second. I'm meeting my oxy dealer. And I was like, okay. And then they were playing on the phone and then this guy just like, was walking, I'd be like, hey, I think it's your boy. Yeah, I think that's your guy over there.

[A]

Hey, that's. I think that's him.

[B]

You know, he looks just like the rapscallion from Game of Thrones who fought for Tyrion. Just like him.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, he does.

[B]

That's him. Although that guy would have got the job done. Tell you.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, he wouldn't have missed.

[A]

He. He flipped on Alec and he told that basically Alec had asked him to kill him because he didn't think his insurance policy would pay out if it was a suicide. And so, yeah, he was trying to defraud.

[B]

And what did he pay him? What did he pay his. Kill him?

[A]

I don't know what he paid.

[B]

Obviously, that's all up front. You can't do half after.

[A]

Yeah, that's true. Or maybe he was gonna get a

[D]

cut of the first half before second.

[B]

Yeah, that doesn't work that way.

[A]

Let's see. Oh, this is all right. It says, why did alec Murdoch give $155,000 in check to Curtis?

[B]

And checks. How many checks did you write?

[A]

Well, he was also his drug dealer. Oh. It looks like total 2.4 million over their friendship.

[B]

You write a check.

[A]

Seven checks.

[B]

What do you write on that memo, huh?

[A]

My pills.

[C]

That's too many pills.

[A]

Murder, medicine, whatever you want, it's gonna be.

[C]

It's gonna be what? AB Brings back receipts from Shambhala for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Burger medicine.

[A]

Get ready. So, yeah, he. He blamed his pill addiction on this whole thing. Alec did. And said he was gonna go to rehab.

[C]

The pills killed my son.

[B]

You're gonna go to rehab.

[A]

Who gives a. Yeah, no one cares. No one cares. So, all right, so this is September, a month later. Duh. Murdoch is be. Is finally considered a person of interest in the murders. So this is like what, five, six months later? And then in 2023 or March 2023. So the following year, he is convicted and sentenced. And we have.

[B]

Looks good in orange.

[C]

Yeah, looks cold.

[A]

Skinny Queen, too. And here's. Yes, here's one of my favorite parts. It was a nipple's.

[C]

Hard as hell for sure in there.

[A]

Black judge sentencing him here is confronted and confesses to having just generational revenge

[C]

over a half a million dollars. Black Friday client.

[A]

And this lady can't. It looks like she's about to laugh, which I love. She's enjoying it.

[C]

And he has a tiger like Mark Tinsley on his tail, pursuing discovery in the case involving the death of Mallory Beach.

[A]

So that was the discovery of his finances that he was scared about the three days before or when he shot his kid and his wife. They were going for discovery for those finances in the wrongful death suit.

[C]

I get a lot of black judge when I'm at a hotel and I, like, put the tv.

[B]

Oh, yeah, like Judge Joe Brown. Yeah, Joe Brown.

[A]

Shout out.

[C]

There's more.

[A]

Oh, who else?

[B]

There's more. Okay.

[C]

There are others.

[B]

You mean like in America on the tv, on tv.

[A]

Oh, hey, if it ain't black judges. There's a woman holding it down.

[B]

Shout out.

[A]

Shout out. So here he is reading him. Reading him for a little bit.

[C]

And having a father for the most part on his deathbed. I could imagine. I really can't imagine,

[B]

but I know

[C]

it had to have been quite a bit.

[A]

He's so chill.

[C]

Going through your mind on that day.

[A]

Speed him up.

[C]

It's like 1.75 on this.

[A]

South Carolina. Talks so slow

[C]

that my wife and son and I were out just enjoying life.

[B]

Not credible.

[C]

Not believable. You can convince yourself about it, but obviously you have the inability. He didn't convince anyone else about that. So, yeah, if you made any such arguments as a lawyer, you would lose

[B]

every case of that.

[A]

Like that buster. I think this is Uncle Randy here.

[C]

Argue anymore. Except perhaps. Have you guys watched Succession?

[B]

No, I kind of peripherally watched it because either watched it.

[C]

Oh yeah. This just makes me think of that. But like even bruter. Yeah, exactly.

[B]

A bit more just dysfunctional and.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Except like just stressed out rich white people more pink. Yeah.

[B]

What happens when white people get stressed out?

[A]

Exactly. On Apple TV all night.

[C]

Anything further?

[A]

Sentence this.

[B]

Whose stupid head.

[C]

Anything further?

[B]

You can see Buster in the top right? Eh?

[A]

Same head. Same head.

[B]

It's the same head, right.

[C]

They can communicate telepathically. He's like, worry not, father.

[A]

His haircut is so bad.

[C]

It is very bad.

[A]

Yeah. They're big. Their brains are throbbing at each other.

[C]

Department of Corrections, on each of the murder indictments in the murder of your wife Maggie Murdo, I sentence you for term of the rest of your natural life for the murder of Paul Murdoch, whom you probably you love so much.

[A]

Get him. Get him.

[C]

Sentence you to prison.

[A]

Get him for murdering him. Crazy.

[C]

For the rest of your natural life. Those sentences will run consecutive under the statute.

[B]

Dumb.

[A]

This guy says, yeah. This guy says, yeah. Watch this prison.

[C]

That guy's been been beefing with the Murdoch. His family's been here the whole time beefing with the Murdochs.

[A]

Look at him under the st. She's about to laugh. I love these people.

[B]

You really think she's about to laugh? She looks sad.

[A]

No, she's like holding her mouth like

[B]

I don't think anybody's feeling like laughter in that courtroom.

[A]

Maybe that's just how she holds her mouth. But she looks like she's trying not to.

[C]

I can see how it looks like she's trying not to. To like smile.

[A]

Smile.

[C]

But it could also be sadness.

[A]

Really.

[C]

Could also be holding in a yawn.

[B]

I think she just really focusing in here. She got.

[C]

That's me. When I'm slowly. When I'm slowly eating a yawn instead of releasing. Sing it.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

I don't think there's any gig happening in that courtroom, to be honest.

[C]

If you were in that courtroom, would you giggle?

[B]

I would, yeah. Cuz I'm irreverent and just so silly.

[C]

Giggly guy, eh?

[A]

It be hard not to.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Corrections.

[A]

All right, wait.

[B]

She's a cop.

[C]

Carry forth.

[B]

She's a b. Oh, I didn't even realize. I thought she was sitting in the audience.

[A]

Oh no, no, no. She's stand. She's one of the bailiffs.

[B]

She's like I'm going to the smiling and the guy smiling and y.

[C]

Are Both are. Both possible.

[D]

Hey, look, full, full circle. He has to leave in a burlap sack now.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

There's probably a trail of sludge behind him.

[A]

I just love that it's all black people putting him away after. It's like poetic justice. All right, so then, as I. I referenced before, in November 2023, he is also hit for his financial crime. So he's already in jail. He's already in prison serving for the murders. And then he gets hit with all the financial crimes tied back to Gloria Satterfield and the, like, the 10 plus people that. That sort of came out because of that question. Yeah, go ahead.

[C]

So, like, if you're in prison for the rest of your life and then you have this, who cares? Are you like, yeah. Are you like, I'm not doing it, dude. I'm just gonna stay here and play chess. I don't care. Give.

[B]

It's kind of chill. Like, you get out of prison, it's like a new. It's like a whole new kind of environment. Yeah, you get like.

[C]

You get like Burger King. And you're like, I was in a car.

[B]

Because you're already. You're already like 100.

[C]

Yeah. So are you happy to, like, leave and go in the car?

[A]

Probably, yeah. It's probably like a little bit of a treat.

[C]

Get to go for a ride. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

He has money still that he's using on, like, his commissary that they're gonna take. I don't know. Probably.

[D]

Someone said maybe she's a constable.

[A]

Yeah, maybe, maybe. All right, so he is he sentenced to 27 years in prison for his financial crimes. And also alongside him who is indicted is Corey Fleming, who we talked about going all the way back, remember? So Corey was the one who was offered to Gloria the housekeeper's family. He's also the one who was offered to the boat crash families.

[B]

He was gonna actually take the money from them. That's awesome.

[A]

He was gonna take the money from Mallory's family after his kid killed her. That was the plan.

[B]

He saw an opportunity in that moment, decided.

[A]

Disgusting. Disgusting.

[C]

Saw money sign Murdoch F. Murdoch legacy foul.

[A]

Now, unfortunately, this is not the end of the story because this dumb got the murder conviction overturned.

[B]

Wait, who's that, a lawyer?

[A]

No, this is a court clerk, county clerk in Colon, where the trial took place. Her name is Becky Hill, and she decided to write a book about the trial that she was the county clerk during and made a lot of comments to the jurors influencing their vote during the trial. As she was writing the book, the jurors say that she had an inappropriate contact with them, saying things like, watch his actions and watch him closely when he got on the stand. And the juror, another juror told the court that these comments made it seem like he was already guilty. Further, another juror said that Hill told them not to be fooled by the defense's evidence. So she was, like, fully manipulating the jury toward a guilty verdict that was probably going to fucking happen anyway.

[B]

So hold on. You're saying it got overturned because of what she did in the trial? But. So that. That was just Murdoch's lawyers trying to find a excuse.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Dismiss it to appeal there.

[A]

So they were. They appealed a few months after sentencing because this information came up. The book was called behind the Doors of justice, the Murdoch Murders. And, yeah, I guess she was writing the book and allegedly talking to jurors, encouraging them in a certain direction, according to. According to the jurors. Who knows if they've, you know, been influenced by the defense now. But another juror said that Hill said the day of Murdoch's testimony was important and epic, and to watch his body language just talking to the jury, like, a lot. And Murdoch's lawyers argue that a guilty verdict would have been better for her book, and that's why she was putting her thumb on the scale. She denies that the conversations happened, but unanimously in May, just a couple months ago, the South Carolina Supreme Court overturned the murder conviction. And now there's got to be another trial.

[B]

So he's still in jail, though, for the.

[A]

For the financial crimes.

[B]

Yeah, for all the other billions of other crimes. He's.

[A]

Yeah, all the other crazy shit that's happened. So there's that and the other final loose end, which has to do with baby Buster, potentially young Buster, is the murder of Stephen Smith.

[B]

What?

[A]

There's another one? There's another one.

[C]

I wanted to say something, so. But I knew you were gonna get around to it.

[A]

You think I'm gonna miss the gay.

[C]

No way.

[B]

There's killings, people. Now, potentially. He was supposed to bring balance to the Murdoch name.

[A]

I know.

[B]

He was the chosen one.

[A]

It's unclear. It's unclear what happened, but this is. Now he did it. This has been reopened. Okay, so in 2015, 11 years ago,

[B]

how old was Buster at 11, 19 years old.

[A]

He was 19.

[B]

Just like his little brother.

[C]

Same age?

[A]

Yeah, same. Yeah. Right. They all act up when they get out of High School.

[B]

19. When you get your first killing.

[A]

Yeah, apparently. Oh, my God. What if that was true? Oh, God. What if they all have to kill someone when they're 19.

[B]

That's right. You got it.

[D]

I mean, at this point, this family is so.

[B]

I know.

[D]

It's like I knew nothing. I knew nothing about this. I was like, holy. Another person died. Like, it just keeps going.

[A]

Yes. Okay, so 2015, way before any of this happened, the middle of the night, Stephen Smith's body is found in the middle of a rural road, his car three miles away. He has blunt force trauma to his head. And almost immediately, the accident or the. The death is ruled a hit and run.

[B]

Why are we showing pictures of Stephen Smith?

[A]

Wait, what.

[B]

Whose is that?

[D]

You.

[A]

What's going on?

[B]

Why are we showing pictures of Stephen Smith? Okay, he got murdered.

[A]

What's happening?

[C]

I think Stephen was.

[A]

Oh, okay, so Stephen Smith's body ends up in the middle of this road. What's happening?

[B]

Don't worry. Dan's. Dan is.

[D]

Dan saw Stephen Smith and was pulling up pictures of Stephen A. Smith. The.

[B]

The sports commentator Dan is derailing.

[D]

I just look over.

[A]

He's looking up.

[D]

Stephen A. Smith, RIP.

[A]

Oh, he's like, oh, he died. No, sadly, this is a different Stephen Smith. So.

[B]

No. Why sadly, you want the other guy to die?

[A]

I don't want anyone to die.

[B]

You said, sadly, I don't want Stephen A. Miller to die. He's funny. I don't know whoever that guy is.

[A]

No.

[B]

Steven something something.

[D]

Stephen A. Smith.

[B]

Yeah. Keep. You want him to die, Kate?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay, just clarifying.

[A]

Okay. I don't want any Steven Smiths to die.

[B]

There's got to be one that deserves it.

[A]

Maybe I'll change. I'll change my argument when I meet him.

[B]

Okay, so I want one Stephen A. Smith to die, and I'll let you decide which one that is.

[A]

Okay, perfect. I don't know what this guy's middle name is. I hope it doesn't start with an A, because he is dead. He is very dead. This was in 2015. He was found in the middle of the road. His head was smashed in. The cops very quickly called it a hit and run. Very, very quickly. It was. It had the. It had the prince of Murdoch all over it because the Murdoch show up to the scene before anybody else really knew about it. Like anybody in town, they had sort of been tipped off. They knew all the cops. They were, you know, all. All up in the situation. But then there were some cops that were like, this is not a hit and run. The kid's shoes were still on, both of his shoes. His body had none of the injuries that would Come with being dragged or rolled down the street after being hit. And also, the blood pattern was just in one spot. Not as if he had been hit by a car and again hit with

[C]

a hammer or something.

[A]

And they're, like, dropped out of the car.

[C]

Yeah, and they're like, yeah.

[B]

How did they explain why were the people on scene?

[A]

I mean, they. They're just everywhere. And this is back in 2015 when no questions were being asked.

[B]

So they just showed up. His son wasn't implicated. They were just there on scene.

[A]

Yep. They were just there on the scene.

[B]

Makes sense.

[A]

And the mom said it was, like, within hours of him being removed from the road. Like, before anybody really knew the Murdochs were there. And then the Murdochs, like. Like they did at the hospital for the boat case. They found Stephen's father and started demanding that Stephen give them. Or demanding that the father give them Steven's phone, which was on him at the time of death. And the. The logins for her social media accounts to help them. Trying to help the family, you know, Just give me Steven's phone.

[B]

Why are they trying to help them do what?

[A]

They weren't really trying to help them. They were trying to erase.

[B]

I know, but incriminating evidence. What were they. Under what pretense could they ask for the phone?

[A]

I really don't know. I think this is just, like, they just know how to work distraught families even.

[C]

They definitely hit them with a, like, give me that. And they probably have some sort of celebrity status in the town. They're like, oh, everyone knows who they are. Remember how the cop said it on that video when he was like, you know whose kid that is? Good luck. So, well, and.

[A]

And it might have been another case of will help you get justice. Right? You know, we know everyone will hook you. Hey, we'll hook you up with Corey Fleming. We'll get you a great lawyer.

[C]

What is that beverage there? What is that?

[A]

Yeah, what you got?

[B]

It's just a. It's a ice blended frap, extra cost.

[C]

Is it good? You like it?

[A]

I've started doing iced. An iced coffee or a decaf iced latte made with the vanilla sweet cream. Oh, my God, it's so good.

[C]

You know what? You know what I. You know what I like for a nice boost?

[A]

What?

[C]

The monster where you screw off the top of the can because then you can screw it back on later. And it's got like, two. Two. It's like two cans.

[A]

Two twos.

[B]

That honestly makes sense because those cans are way too big to commit to.

[A]

Oh, Yeah, I could never. I could never drink that much in one.

[C]

And that's why you won't ever meet me in ranked skill based matchmaking. Not hardcore gamer like I am.

[A]

I feel like if I drink half of that, my heart would just like explode.

[B]

I like, don't drink anything that's like Panera Lemonade.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, lemonade or whatever.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I can't. Okay. Anyway, back to it. So they tried to like really weasel it at the beginning. And then all these little rumors start coming out and the parents start remembering things. Days before he died, Stephen had said to his mom and his sister that he was going deep sea fishing with a prominent person in town and that he had been messing around with a prestigious man in Hampton county and that his family would be totally blown away if they knew who it was. So he was starting a relationship with someone. And while we're hearing that information, the cops who are like investigating this on the side, the highway patrol is investigating it on the side because they don't agree that it was a hit and run. They're interviewing all these people in town who are alluding to rumors of a sexual relationship between Steven and Buster, which makes sense. That why the family would want to get him out of the way. They were trying to basically line Buster up to follow in Alex footsteps and be, you know, the head of the law firm. And who knows, maybe they had their sights set on.

[C]

We thinking this is an Alex body. We thinking this is an Alex body. He did it.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, someone beat him to death, it sounds like. Yeah, yeah. So I mean.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But I was wondering if like, if the dad was like, I told you. Yeah, knocks are straight.

[A]

Yeah. We got to take care of it. I could see Paul doing this. Paul was a psycho, but he was like a.

[B]

He was a baby. Yeah, he was probably.

[A]

He was much younger.

[B]

If anything, Alec probably hired someone to kill him.

[A]

This is another higher thing and probably.

[B]

But he's done. We know he's done before.

[C]

So he hires him and then witnesses it. He goes there and watches and watch firsthand.

[A]

Oh God. I can see him pushing Buster to set this kid up, you know, to say, like, meet me here at this time or whatever.

[B]

And then you think Buster's too soft to do it himself.

[A]

Yeah, he was probably like, from what

[D]

I've seen, basically told, no, you can't be gay, probably.

[A]

Oh, for sure.

[C]

In what I'm making up in my head. That's all. All. Everything you guys are saying is exactly what's going on.

[A]

Right. So it's completely unclear. I don't know if we'll ever like, know exactly what happened, but they have reopened this as a murder investigation. It was reopened in 2021, which was six years after the case. So the Murdoch Alex shooting, his family members really brought everything surface. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, they were. Steven and Buster were classmates, like they were just out of high school. Tons of people reference them potentially having a sexual relationship. And then the weird thing that would happen is the highway patrol guys that were looking into this, anybody they talked to who said this, which they say, Buster's name was brought up over two dozen times. The people they talked to left town, would go away on vacation, would be completely unresponsive. And so people think obviously that, you know, the Murdochs paid them off, sent them on vacation.

[B]

Something worth mentioning, Flower Bay said that Buster's been suing people for defamation. So just to be clear, this is all, this is all alleged. This is speculation of other people. We don't know anything. It's very possible that the official story is what happened. But also it is should also be noted that Buster is part of a family of prolific murdering psychopaths. Yes. And that is not defamation. That doesn't, that's not alleged.

[A]

Doesn't. Doesn't mean he did it.

[B]

The dad and his bro. His dad and his little bro are, are like definitively murderers.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah, the case was reopened in 2021, pretty quickly after. After Paul and Maggie's murders. So that makes people wonder what was found in the investigation into those murders. Did something come up? Was, was there something linking Stephen to the Murdochs found at the, at the lodge, the hunting lodge, in the cars. It was what happened in that investigation that made them think that. And another, like just a small tragic thing that happened is Steven's dad was so beside himself and he would say to anyone that would listen, the Murdochs killed my son because he was gay, because he was seeing Buster. And his dad passed away of a heart attack three months after Stephen died.

[C]

Oh my God.

[B]

So that's another body.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

So, so sad.

[D]

This literally reminds me of like Ozark, right? Minus the, the drug smuggling part, but like, literally just like drugs. I. I own this. Like, like I own this area and I can do whatever I want. Like, Well, I mean, 1700 acres. They should dig up that entire place and see how many bodies are around there, like selling drugs.

[A]

So I mean that, I mean that they have that piece of it too. Curtis and, or Eddie and Alec were trying to procure drugs to sell as well. There was like, drugs charges, laundering charges. Like, there's all kinds of. It just goes on and on and on.

[C]

Smith and Curtis. Eddie Smith. No relation, by the way.

[A]

Yeah, they were not related.

[D]

So what's like the dorkiest looking family too? And they're just running a town.

[B]

Oh, my God, they're creepy.

[D]

They're passing on a name named Buster and they're doing this.

[B]

Gross. If you were watching, like a really good season of True Detectives, this would be like the fan, the cree. They're so creepy. Like, imagine this guy in a dark lit room and you, you're cuffed to the radiator.

[D]

Yeah. Someone sassy skeleton donated said alec looks like Mr. Krabs without his shell. And it's very true.

[A]

Mr. Krabs, he just looks anemic.

[B]

Yeah, I see that.

[A]

Extremely.

[D]

He just looks like he's melting.

[A]

Yeah, well, especially since he's lost weight. Right. So what happens next? The next hearing for the retrial of Alec Murdoch for the murders of Maggie and Paul Murdoch and is August 14th, so in like a month. And then the tentative new trial date will be April 5, 2027. But obviously that's going to change probably a zillion.

[C]

Does this erase his previous sentencing?

[B]

Yeah, on the murder.

[C]

So he only has one. He's getting. He's getting a mulligan.

[B]

Oh, no, he's still in jail. Yeah, for the fraud keeps.

[A]

The financial. Yeah, the financial crimes are separate. Those he keeps. But this will be a whole new trial just for the murder. Interesting to see. Yeah.

[B]

So that's, well, the good, I would say. You know, I feel bad for the family. It must be traumatizing for them to relive the trauma. But he killed them all.

[A]

That's true. They're all dead.

[B]

I guess it's all good.

[A]

They're all dead. Yeah.

[D]

Except for Buster.

[C]

Yeah. What's Buster doing day to day? Does he have Instagram? Is he posting?

[B]

That's a really good question. What is Snapchat?

[A]

I doubt he's. I doubt he's on social media. I hope.

[C]

Oh, he's live on Twitch right now.

[A]

He's live on Rumble.

[B]

Dude, get a load of this. Red.

[D]

He's playing Hitman.

[B]

This is like the, like, bro, how do you even walk around looking like this? Like, he does look like this.

[A]

Instagram, but it's private.

[B]

Look at this.

[C]

I know this is gonna make me sound like I'm a Murdoch, but I would love to see his skull.

[D]

That's a hot.

[A]

It's a high skull. It's a Lot. There's a lot of room in there.

[B]

You want to see it from the inside or the outside back?

[C]

The. The top back part's very heavy.

[B]

Look at this. Look at this happy family.

[A]

Oh,

[C]

I don't like how. Why they all look like they're holding their breath.

[B]

Ned. Dead. Dead. Maybe killed someone. And definitely gay. Just kidding. Not definitely. I don't know.

[A]

That definitely may be gay.

[B]

I'm just kidding.

[D]

Definitely.

[C]

Allegedly.

[A]

Maybe shot in the heads a lot for Alec. I mean, he was just grazed by a friend.

[B]

Okay. I didn't know that. The extent of it.

[D]

It was like when Trump got shot in the air.

[A]

Yeah. He had. There was, like, basically no injury, literally, so. So that's that. I'm sure that I left things out. Missed a couple things, but I don't like them. Yeah, me neither.

[C]

I don't like those. Those Murdoch boys.

[B]

Is it possible. I'm not afraid to say, maybe it's possible they're misunderstood.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

They've missed the. The former slave owners have been misunderstood for.

[B]

Well, they didn't.

[C]

I don't like. I don't like their shape. I don't like their shape. And. And. And their color.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Careful, they might get clipped out of context.

[B]

Three of the four people in that photo have been shot.

[C]

Yeah. By three out of the four people in that photo. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

One of the crazy.

[D]

And one of them had back shots.

[B]

Nasty. That's up. That's homophobic, I think.

[A]

I don't think it's. It sucks because even though. Okay, so even though she didn't want

[B]

to touch on that.

[A]

Paul. No, Paul was.

[B]

No, no, I'm just kidding.

[A]

Clearly, Paul had. I'm just trying to push forward. Clearly, Paul had an alcohol problem, a rage problem, an entitlement problem. I don't think he deserved to be killed. His mom either, obviously. So it is sad.

[B]

Paul didn't deserve to be killed. Yeah, no, he did.

[A]

Okay. I. And I. I feel most sad for Stephen Smith's family and the families of the. The kids from the boat crash. Like Mallory's family.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

In one of the documentaries. It was, like, only a couple years after it had happened and they had her parents on, and that was, like, so awful. So awful to watch.

[B]

But the crazy thing is that Alec, whose son killed these people's child, was immediately like, I can make money from this as well. I can. I can. I can steal from them as well as kill.

[A]

Their job that night being like, hey, have you heard of my friend Corey Fleming?

[C]

Yeah, like, it's still there. The body her body is not found. She's not recovered. They're missing someone, and he's, like, lining up the next scam.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He's like, yeah, baby. Thank you, Paul. He goes, thank you, Paul.

[A]

Yeah, I needed. I needed another cash infusion.

[B]

Well, there you go.

[A]

I wonder, like, how many times. How many times has this happened? Like, we know about the. The wrongful death suits that they were. That they were embezzling from, but, like, how many other Just, like, random murders, accidents, other bodies that are. That are unclaimed have. Can be tied back to this family in that area for 200 years?

[B]

Stephen A. Smith, is he okay or is he dead?

[A]

He's okay. And Stephen A. Smith's okay. He's alive and well, as far as I know. Yeah, not Stephen A. Smith, but that's it. That's. That's the story on these guys. So we'll know more in a month.

[C]

Guaranteed prison time.

[A]

27 years for the federal. I mean, for the. For the financial. Okay, that's what we have so far. He was gonna get two consecutive life sentences for the murders, and now we're gonna have the retrial. We'll see what happens.

[D]

He's 58, so he's gonna spend his life.

[A]

He's. He's. For sure.

[B]

Well, I mean, at the very least. And I say this admittedly, cynically, but it is true. We're gonna get some more content out of this thing at least. Eh.

[A]

You know, a whole new trial.

[B]

I mean, these people are all dead. But, hey, the silver lining is. Or content.

[A]

Choose it. We're gonna do. We're gonna juice.

[D]

We're gonna do a whole another episode just on the airstrip.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God. That is so weird to me.

[C]

Yeah, you should send ab to the Moselle estate kennels at night. Break in. Go through the kennels at night digging. Yeah. Flashlight.

[D]

Yeah, like those videos that, like, I. I swam to Epstein island and they filmed it.

[C]

Like, same thing.

[A]

I think they. I think they sold the estate. So who the bought that? Buster was. Buster was tasked with unloading a lot of the assets after.

[B]

That's not the only thing he was tasked with unloading. Am I right, David?

[A]

Yo,

[B]

but Rip, he's gay. He's unloading on other men.

[C]

He's. I saw here.

[B]

Oh, I mean, allegedly. Sorry. Not act allegedly.

[A]

Allegedly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're gonna get a lot of content when Buster sues us.

[B]

I don't want Buster. Please.

[A]

Please, Buster. No.

[B]

That's the last thing I need. But, Kate, what's Weird about the airstrip. I mean, don't leave me hanging. I guess it's.

[C]

Well.

[A]

Well, I don't know what's weird, because it was just kind of mentioned in a couple of the documentaries that they're. Big hunting lodge property has its own airstrip. Like, that's not a normal thing. So who is he flying in and out? And then with the whole, like the, the drug addiction and the money laundering, like, is it all connected to that? Are there other crimes that are happening in other places and they're using private jets to get there? Like, with all this money. Just the. The airstrip to me is like a huge question mark. And I don't. I don't know if we'll ever know what it was being used for, but

[C]

built by Barrett Bulware, previous owner who was a pilot.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[C]

Thank you. But it is a really interesting point.

[B]

That is interesting. So it was there already, but there

[C]

was no evidence connecting it to the murders. But a lot of people find it just weird.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Because it's super private. You could just take planes in and out with really, like nothing.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

1700 acres.

[A]

Fly out and drop out.

[B]

Can you have to take off uncontrolled?

[C]

That's what they're saying here. This, this one looks like you could have got away with just taking off.

[B]

Can you just take off in an airplane and not notify? Like, the.

[C]

This one is written here as it's uncontrolled. Specifically, it says private and uncontrolled.

[A]

So I guess so. And they were close to the water, so who knows what they could have dumped out of those airplanes. You know, I. I just. My brain just goes.

[C]

New owner demolished the old hangar and the dog kennels. So we. We can't send Ab to the kennels as he should.

[B]

We still can to still dig it around.

[C]

This is where the kennels were.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

It's like a patch of grass.

[B]

Big Amy.

[A]

This is what they are.

[D]

Sendavy to dig 1700 acres.

[B]

Just holes, holes, holes.

[A]

I'm digging 1700 acres.

[B]

I went to the Murdoch Estate and dug 1000 holes until I found a bone chip.

[C]

Yeah, you should do every Mr.

[A]

Beast.

[C]

You should do every Mr. Beast video ever. He should do them all.

[A]

Let's do that.

[D]

Honestly, Mr. B should have bought it. 1700 acres, new complex.

[B]

I just built a big old commune on Alex Murdaugh's old estate.

[D]

Isn't he in that area? Isn't he in the Carolinas somewhere?

[A]

Yeah, he's North Carolina. Right.

[B]

See, the North. North Carolina is Where we like to respect the law. We're on the good side of the Dixie line. Right? North Carolina was on the good side of Dixie line. No, we was on the bad side of Dixie line. He's all on the bad side.

[A]

Fully in the Dixie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So never mind this.

[C]

I. I had to look it up. There's nothing. Unfortunately, Buster has got still enough pull to be completely private. Even though it's been so public, the case and everything. He's very successful at being private here. Nothing about his. His day to day. I just want to know what it. What a day. A day would look like for him. He is married.

[A]

Is he?

[B]

I have an idea. Kate. Buster. Colin exclusive.

[A]

Buster bridge. We can do Buster calling busting a

[B]

Knot with Buster McDowell. This guy know you're gay?

[A]

God, I'm sure he would take us up on that.

[C]

Yeah, let's get. We can get him on the horn.

[A]

Yeah, get him on the horn. Anyone know anyone in the low country?

[B]

I promise I will not ask you about the murder you're alleged to have participated in.

[A]

Yeah, why would we ever do that?

[C]

Big meal time. I feel like you've seen epic meal time.

[B]

Honestly, probably.

[C]

I feel like the whole family has.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, he. He's from that era, right?

[C]

I know. The demo. Buster. Buster murders the demo.

[B]

Maybe he wants to cook a meal with you at Harley. I'll do our epic meal time with you.

[C]

Guest at your house.

[B]

Sure. Bring Buster over. Someone said, honestly, he's part of the fam. Bring him over.

[A]

Yeah, Put him in the fella.

[C]

Maybe, like in this town.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Someone said he's married and he has a son named after Alec. Whoa.

[B]

Why would you do that? Why would you name your son after your dad that killed your brother and mom? The hell?

[C]

It was tough. I didn't know if I wanted to name him after my brother who was killed or my father killed him or my great grandfather.

[A]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[B]

Allegedly. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That's a good question. David. Was the child born before or after Paw killed Paw? I don't know, cuz, like, how old is his son? Do we know?

[C]

Pulling it up right now.

[B]

Do some math.

[D]

Wasn't there a video, like he got interviewed and he was on like, his dad's side or something, right?

[A]

Oh, yeah, he's definitely still keeping for his dad. Someone said Buster lives in Hilton Head and hangs out at bars a lot. Oh, Hilton Head is like another. It's like right on the water near. Near Ish Hampton. My mom has seen him at the grocery store a number of times. Okay, so he's just like living his life. He should. He's not accused of anything. Right.

[C]

So child was born in early 2026.

[B]

Oh. Oh, that's recent. That's very recent.

[C]

So.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I mean, he thinks his dad is innocent, so he says. So I guess it makes sense.

[C]

Richard Alexander Trip. You don't name your son Tripp when you have history of someone dying from being Tripping.

[D]

Tripping.

[C]

And you know what I mean, that was. That was.

[D]

That was homage to Gloria.

[A]

Wait, is Trip his new last name?

[C]

It's like. It's like it's. They've given us a built in nickname. Richard Alexander Tripp.

[D]

Like he's a baseball player.

[A]

Buster is Richard Alexander, too. And that's what. That's Alex. Full name is Richard Alexander.

[C]

This is Richard Alexander Trip Murdoch iii.

[A]

Oh, Trip. Like the third triple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[C]

Oh, my God. That's what Trip means.

[B]

Oh, that's kind of.

[C]

That I never knew that's what it is.

[B]

Wait, here's an interview with a Buster murder. Breaks his silence. God.

[A]

Pull it up.

[B]

Let's see what they said. Let's pull it up. Yeah.

[C]

So if you have this son and you name him the same name as you. He's Junior.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Automatically he's a junior.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But then if he names it the same after him.

[B]

Second.

[C]

Then that's a trip. A second trip, though. Oh, Second. So you're done.

[A]

Second is Junior. They're the same, right?

[B]

Yeah. You'd be Trip.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You'd be tripped.

[B]

Four. Whatever. Who cares?

[C]

Quadric on that. We're thick on that.

[A]

The fourth.

[B]

I need some audio. Oh, that's my bad.

[A]

Hold on, bro. Poor guy.

[B]

You feel bad for him because of the way he looks?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Do we have any. Has he done anything? Do we know?

[A]

As far as we know, he's accused of nothing. He's just part of this psycho family that.

[C]

Oh, I was roasting his skull. I wouldn't have done that.

[B]

Kate just called him hideous. I mean, essentially all I said.

[C]

But she's. She's gay and he's a man.

[A]

Yeah, I'm allowed. Are we gonna play it?

[B]

Well, I don't know. Am I? Are we?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I. I could look at him for a long time.

[B]

Okay, here we go. There you go. Clicking.

[A]

It happened.

[C]

Sure. One of the main reasons I wanted to do this is because there's been an awful lot of, you know, negative publicity.

[B]

Talking about, you know, a little bit of negative publicity about a couple things about a Murder and all that kind of nonsense.

[A]

I felt that.

[B]

No, it's based on what they told

[C]

me, my family, and also about myself.

[B]

Negative publicity is kind of an insane way to describe your media family members being murderers. And, I mean, your brother's not even contested he done that.

[A]

After this. Oh, hang on. After this. I do have some insider info. Someone from Hampton DM'd me and told me a bunch of. So we can watch this, and then we can wrap up with the. The insider tea here.

[B]

Excellent. All right, let's take a look.

[C]

And I just want to be able to give a truer perspective and let people understand that some of the things that are out there might not be exactly the truth.

[B]

Okay, what, such as

[C]

you're gonna hear

[B]

Fox News or Fox Nation really clearly on his side setting the tone here. Yeah. Stormy. Lightning. Evilness.

[C]

Death.

[B]

It's not what you seem. It's what it seems. It's worse.

[C]

Some of what was going on in Alex Murdoch's life leading up to that day. Stuff that happened that very day, stuff that was leading up. Crate storm that was gathering, much like the storms that are coming outside today.

[B]

Oh, that was like a Nathaniel Klansman move.

[A]

It's very like To Kill a Mockingbird.

[B]

Storms are gathering outside, your honor. Do you hear the crash? Pow. It's not lightning. It's the blast of a shotgun in the face of his own son. I wanted the jury to really understand

[C]

that this was all coming to a

[A]

head and it was falling apart. When you listen to the prosecution, they built the argument that killing Paul and Maggie would buy him even more time. It would turn sympathy on him at a moment when a lot was about to come down. What do you think about that?

[C]

I was thinking that I don't know what or how bad everything was going to get or how bad everything had gotten for him. But I do know that I do not think that his justification and his out of whatever storm he can come concocted was to kill my mother and brother. I remember we approached the main entrance to Moselle. We can see all the police cars and the. And the lights shining through the trees.

[A]

It's horrible. I can't even imagine. You get to your home where your family lives, and you've spent all this time and it's crawling with law enforcement. Did you go over to the kennels at all? No, I did not.

[C]

People did tell me not to go down there. The crime scene had been, like, cut off. And they sent everybody. Sent everybody over to the house.

[A]

And what'd you say to Your dad.

[C]

I didn't say anything to my father. I walked inside and I saw him, and it was utter silence. It was a. It was a big embrace. He immediately broke down crying. I started crying, crying. And that was what that was. I mean, it's difficult to relive these.

[B]

These.

[C]

These tough circumstances.

[B]

That's all they did for him. He's like. He's like, I'm going to change everybody's mind. It's not exactly the way it is. Anyway, here's one minute of a recounting that is literally a little bit. Okay, that's it.

[C]

All right.

[B]

That's your whole. What the was that?

[A]

Yeah. So he's still. He's still caping pretty hard for his dad. Here. Here is what someone from Hampton County, South Carolina, from the place where all this happened had to say. Thank you so much. This all just came in last night because they heard that we were doing a true twos on it. Okay. So they say Paul was always. Paul, the younger son was always a big asshole. This person grew up with Paul. So they're the. They're the same age. Paul was always a big asshole. Even before the boat crash, he was known around the area as an angry drunk kid. And he once allegedly threw a beer can at my friend's head while out at a sandbar. Not sure if this is in your notes, but he was extremely abusive to Morgan, his ex. We talked about that, about him spitting and shoving and all of that. Paul's mug shot when he got arrested for the boat crash was taken on an iPhone in the courthouse right before his arraignment. Because of the special privileges he got. Yeah, he didn't actually have to sit in a jail cell at all. They did his whole booking in the courthouse. A lot of the locals believe that Alex wasn't the one to actually commit the murders, but rather hired someone to do it, which I can believe for a long time, especially because the two different guns, although there might be two people there.

[B]

Listen, if he's got. Having money problems, I mean, it's a budget situation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do it yourself.

[A]

For a long time before all of this stuff, he was allegedly in with drug traffickers in the area. And a lot of people theorized that it was some sort of revenge hit or he hired someone to cover his ass right before Paul's trial. As far as Buster, I'm convinced he has something to do. To do with Stephen Smith's death. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. There are so many police reports of people saying the Murdoch brothers were involved. And as we Saw they had so much influence in the area. Queer people were not treated great where I'm from. So whether it was Buster or one of Buster's friends involved with Steven. Right. Because there were other rich kids. Right. I think. I still think Buster knows something. He's just chilling now though, which is he lives. I'm not going to say the rest of that because that's sort of doxy. Alex Murdoch's dad also helped cover up multiple rapes in the area. Allegedly. So the moral precedent in the family is very low. So that's. Those are the main stories there. That's the tea coming from Hampton County. Word on the street.

[B]

Well, shout out Buster. Dude. It's a Buster.

[C]

Big Buster and Lil Buster. Baby Buster.

[B]

Baby Busting Busters.

[C]

Let's play Murdochs. I'll be Baby Buster. You be big boy Buster.

[D]

Are there any other Murdochs left other than Buster?

[A]

Randy. But Randy Murdoch, who is the brother, who's Alex brother who still works at the law firm that was renamed to take Murdoch out.

[B]

It was changed to not Murdoch llc. Yeah.

[A]

It's like don't worry, we're not the Murdochs.

[C]

Let's say names. Let's say names Murdoch names and who they are and we'll just make them up and see. Then we could cross reference and see if it's right.

[B]

Bubba.

[A]

Wait, what?

[C]

Yeah, exactly. Bubba Murdoch.

[A]

Definitely a Bubba Murdoch for sure.

[C]

He actually is the only one that had a promising football career. He was an alignment.

[B]

Jeremiah.

[C]

Jeremiah. Jeremiah Murdoch.

[D]

Jebediah.

[C]

He killed the maid.

[B]

He did do that. Everybody knew it.

[A]

Hang on. Pause for a second. Someone. Someone in chat said, Kate, I went to Steven's funeral. He had a gunshot wound in his head that was covered up. I know that Steven. Steven's the kid who was found in the road. I know that his sister fought for there to be an open casket. I don't know why I'm just all pixels right now. So I. I don't know about the. The gunshot wound. Apparently some people think there was also a gunshot wound, but yeah, there's that. All right.

[C]

In case you guys can't take her seriously because of the resolution. Yeah, she was saying that it. Was he saying that it wasn't a gunshot wound? It could have been.

[A]

People think that it was a gunshot. Some people think that there was a gunshot wound in his head and they were able to see it at the funeral.

[B]

Well, that seems like. That seems maybe a little far fetched if the coroner report then list it and. Well, I mean listen, at a funeral though, it's like. I don't know. It seems.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Seems a little far a fetch, but I know.

[A]

Well, yeah, so who knows? Well, the coroner was kind of allegedly owned by the Murdochs because they said. Yeah, yeah, it was a. It was just a hit and run. And they were.

[C]

That was. That was P.D.

[A]

murdoch, who's like, what tells you that it was a hit and run? And they. And the. The coroner said, oh, the body was in the road and that was it.

[C]

Side note. You know about this?

[A]

No. What's that? What is that?

[C]

Just a square that you could squish and stuff.

[B]

It's a fidget.

[C]

You get this at five below. Dude, get that at five below.

[B]

How much was it?

[A]

Five below.

[B]

How much was it?

[C]

This is a fiver. They got. They got it. They got a bigger one, though. I got a bigger one upstairs.

[B]

That's five for that.

[C]

No, this is below five. Yeah, the other one is five. It's bigger, though, but this is a better size.

[B]

Listen, well, that. What a fantastic.

[C]

Wait, I want to show you another thing before. Before.

[A]

Welcome to After Dark.

[C]

Ethan, you could actually. You could take this into Kate David, but you can check this out.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And you know what? Audience. You can check it out also. It's a friend. Got me copy this for. For Shambhala to hang up.

[B]

It's Pizza Hut and Finn. Oh, it says Finn.

[A]

Pizza Hut logo. I like that. You just gonna drape that last show before you leave? I didn't realize.

[C]

He's gonna wake up. That's how I'm gonna wake Ab up.

[B]

Did you ever say what you were on in that photo?

[C]

There was. I. I know exactly what I was on. Ketamine. And just the thing is. Took a while to get there because you have to do it very slowly. You can't, like, do it all quick. You got to go slow.

[B]

And you're talking about ketamine specifically.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. You can't. Well, most drugs, you don't want to just jump right in there, but. So it took a long time to get there because you're going a little. Little brick by brick.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then the silliest thing was a friend of mine gave me something like, I guess, like for later or whatever. I don't know what it was, but he. When it went in my hand, I was like. And I don't. And I know what it is. I know what it was. It was mda, mdma, which is. No, it's the sister. There's a sister.

[B]

So MDA is more like speed, right?

[C]

It's more A hallucinate.

[B]

Like euphoric and more.

[C]

I think it's the one that made my eyes go outwards.

[A]

Yeah, the generational blast off, as you call.

[B]

Like, we couldn't. We couldn't afford the. The extra m. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Harley. I can't wait for the content from. From Shambhala.

[C]

It won't be like that.

[B]

Why do drugs?

[A]

Do drugs.

[B]

Well, anyway. Yes, sir. No, I'm just saying. I'm saying just do what you would usually do, I guess, is what. Okay.

[C]

You take out a Paulus.

[A]

Take out a policy on Harley.

[B]

I already did. What do you mean

[C]

by fire, bro?

[B]

Yeah, that's covered. Yeah, of course. I have a life insurance policy on all of you guys. And me. I'm the only beneficiary to it.

[A]

Like a good boss should, you know,

[B]

like a good neighbor. Ethan has life insurance on you.

[A]

Plan B is a backup birth control option that's there for you when things don't go according to plan. It specifically works after unprotected sex and before pregnancy occurs by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is available nationwide at all major retailers and through delivery apps like DoorDash, no ID prescription or age requirement. It's the number one OB GYN recommended brand of emergency contraception and it won't impact your future fertility. That's freedom to be use as directed. Yay. Do we want to read some soupies?

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Before we head out.

[B]

That sounds like a marvelous idea.

[A]

Ethan, thanks for sitting in with us. This has been great.

[B]

Oh, yeah, it was really fun. And thank you for putting together such a wonderful journey. Well, not one, but, you know, like.

[A]

Yeah, I know, but it's. It's a lot. It's a lot.

[C]

David, also, thank you for sitting in with us.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, you're very welcome, Dan.

[A]

Thank you for weighing in a little bit here and there. Thank you, Dan.

[D]

He's not at his desk, but shout out Dan. Happy birthday to Dan.

[A]

Hey, happy birthday, Dan.

[B]

Happy birthday, Dan.

[A]

All right, let's ride.

[D]

Hello, everybody. Thank you for all of the generous soupies. Right at the top. Marlino sent $50. Said already said already placing bets on the following. Ethan making fun of Alex's looks. Kind of did that. Ethan showing off his watch to the ad crew.

[B]

Didn't happen.

[D]

Ethan and crew ordering food. Didn't happen.

[B]

Kate and Harley. No, we did get coffee.

[D]

Right. Okay, all accounts, but Ethan and crew. Kate and Harley asking if they can order food and then Harley not expensing it because he's too afraid to ask.

[A]

That sounds about right. But it didn't happen. Didn't happen.

[C]

It was close, though.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

You saw when I was asking about the coffee and stuff, it was close. I was like, yeah.

[A]

Oh, we hit 11k. Thanks, everybody for being here. Someone said that in chat. Thank you. Thank you.

[D]

Shout out. Let's see. Rainbow Bright said Shambala bound. I better see y' all at Fractal Forest. Rainbow Bright's gonna be out there.

[A]

Mobbed. Y' all are gonna get mobbed. It's gonna be so fun.

[C]

I did, I did say to Ab that I think he would be recognized quite a bit there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Because I, I, Someone gifted me an H3 thing like last year, and I had been on like two episodes or something, like a couple. You know what I mean? It wasn't. But people were like, they were locked in. And so I said that. I was like, yeah, maybe something to like cover your face or something like that. But then classic Ethan, he was like, yeah, Ab's gonna be there.

[B]

So.

[C]

Yeah, I think he's gonna get. I think he's gonna get.

[A]

It's gonna be great. Is that a place, Is that a place for crowd surfing?

[C]

I've never seen that.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Until now.

[A]

I can't wait to know. I can't wait to understand what the vibe is there, you know?

[C]

Yeah. I'll do my best to capture it. It's really, it's really weird. It's like, really? Because one of those things where it's not. Doesn't just. It doesn't. You can't cap, you know, of course. So the best thing I could do is capture maybe Ab experiencing it and through his eyes.

[A]

One might, you know, through the newbies eyes. Yeah,

[C]

I'm going to bring him back different.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I'm expecting. We. You're not going to bring back AB, you're going to bring back CD. CDs. Nuts.

[C]

That's AB. This is BB. Okay.

[D]

Hey, shout out to Smiling Sushi for sending five podcast gifties. Thank you, thank you. We had a couple donations because we were late. Rivendell said, take your time, Ethan. We appreciate everything you do for us. And the chat is going to be super normal and patient.

[B]

Wow. So nice that you guys did that for me. Me?

[C]

Dude, wasn't it sick the other day when I came on the thing and I showed how to access the bits? How many people gave UNCLE alerts?

[B]

Yeah, we. Yeah, yeah, that was.

[C]

We've been getting popped off there, eh?

[B]

Yeah, we've been getting uncle shout out

[D]

to the uncle un.

[B]

I had known that they were given bits, but I didn't know they were just sitting in your wallet.

[A]

Yeah, pretty sick.

[D]

Yeah. Give them to us.

[B]

Give them. Hand them over. Hand them over. Yeah, Give me your bits. Yeah.

[C]

You show me and David those bits.

[A]

Yeah. Whip your bits out for us. All right, David, Keep going.

[D]

Oh, four Loco with knife says not to. Not to detract from the crimes. But y' all got to talk about that Reddit post saying David needs to his get throat sphincter Botox so he can burp.

[B]

Good.

[A]

I messaged him. I said we should do it on the show. He can gape his sphincter for us.

[D]

Yeah, I'm gonna get Botox on this.

[B]

You want. You want. You want David to gape on the

[A]

show his throat sphincter cuz he can't burp?

[B]

Should we have you gape? I can probably get Howe in for that throat gape.

[D]

Not the other gape.

[C]

The tool that we use, can I keep it after. That's probably a needle to what to

[A]

G. I thought it was like shoot it with Botox. They shoot your spin.

[D]

You mean like the.

[C]

Oh, I think we're on different pages right now.

[A]

Well, we're not. Yeah, we're not gaping. We're not gaping. That one. You know what I mean?

[D]

Hey, shout out El Kleiner67, who said it's so nice they let Tamara's grandpa be on the show today.

[B]

I know you're not talking about me,

[A]

Pea.

[C]

Papa Ethan's the oldest on the show right now at this exact second.

[B]

I know y' all not talking about me. Not even going to respond to that.

[D]

Marlino said, ethan, we love you. Without you, we wouldn't have head. Now get yourself a dope detective outfit for these true twos.

[B]

We wouldn't have.

[D]

Yeah. H3 after dark.

[B]

Oh, okay. I invented head.

[A]

You did?

[B]

I'm the first. I'm the first person with the idea for it.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

You gave us head. Yeah. You're the very first person you gave us all to ever do it. Sure did.

[C]

Thank you for the head, Ethan.

[B]

So welcome.

[D]

Annie. Annie Vans Creative said, I'm from around here and underage drinking is the norm. There isn't much to do. So kids start drinking slash drugs at a young age. Breeding grounds for alcoholics.

[B]

Yep.

[D]

Shout out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's how we do around here, boy. Must do around these part. We just crack open a cold one and kill some of our friends.

[A]

Yeah. When you're super rich and your daddy bails you out all the time, you

[B]

don't want to take a boat ride.

[A]

You just escalate.

[B]

Imagine that. Imagine Buster, because he's the only one still alive. But one night, Buster's like, y' all want to take a boat ride? A couple beers and a boat ride.

[C]

If you were Buster, how much would you joke about it, though, around town?

[B]

That'd be fun. So funny. Who wants to go on a boat ride? Ah, I'm just kidding.

[A]

Just kidding. Hey, he wants to go down to the. Down to the kennels. Just kidding.

[C]

You keep your keys on, like, a huge floaty thing. Those big. Those floaty things on it, but you're just like, very noticeable floating boat keys.

[B]

If you want to threaten someone, like, jokingly, hey, don't make me take you down to the kennels. I'm just kidding.

[C]

No, I'm kidding.

[B]

I'm just kidding.

[D]

Br Woms said my alcohol alter ego's name was Dumb Barb. Not proud of her, but I am now. Four years. I have four years of sobriety this year. Shout out to you.

[B]

That dumb.

[C]

Shout out.

[A]

Her.

[C]

Shout out. Dumb Barb, too. She probably got down.

[A]

Where does he go?

[D]

Who knows?

[C]

I was happy.

[A]

You never know. We never know.

[D]

Shout out. Dust busting. Who said hi? Family. My sister Leah and I are going on a road trip to Furniture Bernie, British Columbia, while Harley and Ab are at Shambhala. Harley, make sure Ab gets to try some BC British Columbia fruit while he's there. Best cherries in the world.

[A]

Oh,

[B]

Shout out.

[C]

He tries British Columbia fruit.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Shout out. Ali Fawn said, hey, Kate, do you remember watching me as a baby?

[A]

I'm not answering that.

[C]

He is a baby. Familiar with me as a baby?

[D]

Ethan, are you. Who's.

[B]

Me's a baby?

[C]

Mia as a baby?

[A]

Yeah, me as a baby. You don't know who that is?

[C]

Me as a baby.

[B]

Mia's.

[C]

Me as a baby.

[B]

Who is that? I don't know. Is that a name?

[C]

It's like a. It's like a magical. It's a name. It's like a magical entity.

[B]

Mia's baby. I've never heard of that.

[C]

Me as a baby? Yeah, but it sounds like me.

[B]

What's the question?

[D]

Do you remember me as a baby?

[A]

If you're seeing me as a baby.

[B]

What's their name?

[D]

Their name's irrelevant.

[A]

Have you seen me as a baby?

[C]

The name is me as a baby.

[A]

It's who's on first. We can't do this again. We can't do this.

[C]

No, but he should see me as a baby anyways. Just in life as a baby. Yeah, it's a good one. It's cool. He's like a little entity, warlock, spirit,

[A]

kind of a wizard.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Mia's. You're talking about me as.

[C]

Yeah, me as a baby.

[A]

Like, me as a baby.

[C]

And you'll see him, he's like a wizard. You've probably seen him before. He's very famous. Yeah, they're very famous.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, baby.

[C]

Across the. The. The grass blades and cast spells.

[B]

Mia's a baby. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Stumps and things.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

Mia dances on mushrooms.

[D]

No, no, it's not Mia.

[A]

Me as.

[C]

We can.

[B]

We can move on.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I'm gonna show you when I'm in your home.

[B]

Thank you.

[D]

Shout out. Lily Catherine said. Hey, guys, today is my golden birthday. I'm 21. You love the show. Happy birthday.

[B]

21's golden. Oh, yeah.

[D]

Well, it's 21, cuz today's the 21st and they're turning 21, so that's.

[B]

Let me give you some advice. Stay off those boats if you're drinking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or don't. I don't know.

[A]

No, definitely.

[B]

I mean, no, no, don't, don't.

[C]

Don't drive it.

[B]

I don't want to tell you what to do.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't get in a boat with drunk people.

[B]

What if the driver is so. What.

[D]

What?

[B]

Have you never been on a booze cruise? What kind of rule is that?

[A]

Oh, like, no, I. I have been on a boat with someone driving drunk, and it was not fun.

[B]

So the driver shouldn't be drunk.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is. I wanted to get off every second.

[B]

If you find yourself on a boat with a drunk driver, jump off the boat.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I was thinking, like, they should have just jumped.

[A]

He could have hit them, though, in

[C]

the water, like your phone.

[A]

It was also February, by the way.

[C]

Oh, yeah. They were wearing jackets and stuff.

[B]

Jump ship, I'm telling you.

[A]

And they were all really drunk too. It was all really, really sad and bad. Oh, Lord.

[D]

Well, hey, troublemaker Baker said. I love Ethan's Southern accent. It's really his best. I mean, that doesn't say a ton, but he really does do a great Mitch McConnell impersonation.

[B]

Well. Well, thank you, David. I appreciate that.

[A]

I feel like it tips into Elvis, which I also like.

[B]

It's. Well, let me say for something here. Okay. Doesn't sound like Elvis law. I think that man's a devil. His sexual dances and his hips are thrown all around. I can't say that I much identify with that man.

[A]

Thank you, Mitch. Thank you. Are you alive, Mitch? Just yes or no.

[B]

I don't know, frankly.

[A]

Okay. Hovering between worlds at the moment.

[C]

Ask him if he's seen me as a baby.

[A]

No. How many more do we have, David?

[D]

We have a few. Like three more. Okay, great. Mega hands.

[B]

Who's me? All.

[A]

Go, David.

[D]

Mega. Megahan said. Please do Dr. John Schneeberger for the next case. Canadian case. And as a true crime junkie, it blew my mind how crazy it was.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

You know about John?

[A]

I'll write it down.

[B]

No, John's a baby.

[A]

For sure.

[C]

John's a baby.

[A]

We need to see John as a baby.

[C]

Johnny's a baby.

[D]

Oh, Dan sent us. There's a live death watch clock.

[B]

Yeah, I got Mitch McConnell. Pull that up.

[A]

Oh, sick. I love that.

[B]

Where is Mitch McConnell? An ambulance was called to the home of Mitch McConnell on the morning of June 14th. Just before 9am Photograph of Mitch of McConnell and his wife in the hospital was released by his team July 12th. However, he has not been seen in public since his fall. It's now been over a month since EMS was called to the senator's home. One month, seven days, five hours, 24 minutes and 21 seconds. That obviously has changed now, right? Where Ambers? Where am I? Sorry. Go ahead, David, you'd have to slow down for me.

[A]

No, you're good.

[D]

Jessica. Jessica B. Nixon said. Kate, I just finished last week's tutus and I was so happy to see that you were in the CHX/ Potoski area. Next time you're here, Petoskey. Next time you're here, try the Argonne and City Park Grill Speakeasy frequented by Ernest Hemingway. Love from Northern Michigan.

[A]

Thank you. I did know that he had a house there. I'll definitely check that stuff out next summer. Thank you.

[D]

And finally, your dad's favorite said. I just wanted to say thank you guys for what you do. I recently lost my cat in the flooding in Missouri and you guys have helped me so much with the situation and just putting a smile on my face.

[B]

I'm so sorry about that.

[A]

I'm so sad. Well, I'm sorry, but I'm glad that H3 is helping a little.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That sucks. Pets dying sucks.

[B]

Shouldn't happen. Ever.

[A]

Shouldn't happen. God isn't real, you know all that. Well, that's the show. Ethan, I'm so glad you're joining us on Tuesdays now.

[C]

Yes, David, I'm also glad you're joining us.

[B]

Yeah. It's so nice to sit back and just just chill. Take. Let you take the range there. But just pull Harley.

[C]

Yeah, our pleasure, dude.

[B]

I know, it's so. It's so nice.

[D]

Yeah, we got you. All three of us got you.

[B]

But well done, Kate. It was a beautifully put together and I really enjoyed myself. So thanks everyone for watching. I'll be here next Tuesday too, you know.

[A]

Hell yeah. Yeah, we'll see you next Tuesday for true choose. We'll see you tomorrow for a normal after dark.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Gas leak. Wednesday, baby. So we got H3 and then AD right after tomorrow. We got two shows back to back.

[B]

Go ahead all day. Can't get me enough head. No.

[A]

Bye, everybody.

[B]

Bye, everyone.

[C]

Yay.

[B]

Yay. I have to pee so bad.