Sara Gilson: TikToker Murdered After Accusing Husband of CSA - H3 After Dark #88

Summary

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H3 Podcast (After Dark #88)

Sara Gilson: TikToker Murdered After Accusing Husband of CSA
Date: August 11, 2026
Hosts: Ethan Klein (absent), featured hosts: Kate, Harley, David

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Episode Overview

This episode of H3 After Dark takes a deep dive into the tragic murder-suicide of TikTok influencer Sara Gilson (Duffy), who was killed by her husband, Sean Duffy, after she accused him of child sexual abuse (CSA). The hosts dissect the timeline of events, examine abuse dynamics, discuss failures of protective interventions and gun laws, and explore the broader implications for domestic violence survivors. The show also features an extended update on a missing festivalgoer, listener engagement, and palate cleansers to balance the heavy subject matter.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

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1. Festival Survival Update: Caleb Waver (00:55–28:32)

Overview

The episode first revisits the case of Caleb Waver, a festival attendee who went missing and has since resurfaced. The hosts discuss her survival, social media reaction, and mental health aftermath.

Highlights

• Caleb reappeared after being lost for 3 days following a rave. She shares a detailed thank-you video and admits to still processing the trauma.
• Her powerlifting background and EMT knowledge likely aided her survival; she’s resumed activities like rugby.
• The group notes Caleb sounds "off"—possibly due to lingering trauma (Kate: "It almost feels like she has a TBI" [10:11]).
• Speculation over her missing period, community response, and whether her rapid social media return is healthy.
• Discussion stresses how challenging it is to recover mentally from such events, the vital role of supportive community, and the tendency of festival communities to trauma-dump.
• Caleb may eventually write a book or give a full account (Kate: "I'm interested to hear what her takeaways are, not just why it happened..." [27:42]).

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2. Main Case: The Murder of Sara Gilson (31:35–108:18)

Background: Who Was Sara Gilson?

• 43-year-old Oklahoma hair stylist, influencer (100k+ TikTok followers), and step-grandma.
• Promoted lifestyle and beauty content. Seemingly happy blended family with husband Sean Duffy.

Timeline & Escalation of Abuse

• July 11: Sara posts a TikTok cryptically foreshadowing future Netflix coverage of her "soon-to-be ex" after discovering he’s a "pedophile."
• July 20: Indicates cryptic farewell on social media.
• Days later: Sara and Sean are found dead—murder-suicide (gunshot wounds to the head); a child present calls 911. (Kate: "A child who lived in the home had made the 911 call..." [39:50])
• Sean had previously faced allegations of domestic violence. Sara tried multiple times to obtain a protection order but was often too intimidated to follow through.

Abuse & Protective Order Failures

• Patterns of domestic violence and control had existed for years.
• 2024: Sean reported a stolen handgun—potentially to avoid mandated firearm surrender due to abuse accusations.
• Ongoing history of DV, financial distress, and Sean’s pattern of threatening suicide and coercion.

Allegations of CSA and the Community Fallout

• June 10: Mother of a 15-year-old girl on Sean’s basketball team seeks an emergency protective order after he’s caught inappropriately touching her daughter (supported by another coach).
• Sean flees jurisdiction after allegations, making it difficult for police to locate/arrest him.
• Jurisdictional issues compounded by alleged abuse occurring on Cherokee land, requiring federal and tribal collaboration.
• Sara and the victim’s family both seek (temporary) protection orders.
• Protective orders are crucial but often dismissed or not enforced—systemic flaws discussed extensively.

Aftermath and Family Response

• Both Sara’s and Sean’s ex-spouses speak out on his long history of abuse and control, including marrying his first wife when she was a minor (15/17 years old).
• Neither his children nor Sara’s want Sean memorialized; his own kids refuse to hold a funeral or honor him (Kate: "His own children say that he doesn’t deserve a funeral..." [61:18]).
• Sara’s ex-husband fought to block any inheritance or benefits to Sean’s children from Sara’s estate.

Broader Issues Discussed:

• Red flag laws and why Oklahoma’s first-in-the-nation "anti-red flag" law contributed to the tragedy (Kate: "Oklahoma was apparently one of the first to create an anti-red flag law..." [79:50]).
• Statistics on intimate partner homicide and the prevalence of firearms.
• The all-too-common dynamic of male abusers killing women shortly after separation or accusation.
• Systemic lack of support: Even with restraining orders, about 20% of women who receive them are killed by their partner within a month (Kate quoting stats: [90:23]).
• Most domestic homicides occur without protective orders in place, suggesting fear, isolation, lack of enforcement, and social obstacles.

Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• On CSA & sports coaching:

  • Kate: "This is the real threat to girls in sports... grown men who are their coaches..." [65:44]
  • Harley: "If I had a daughter... and the coach is a guy, I'm not into it. No, I'm not into this." [100:54]

• On restraining orders and the system’s failures:

  • Kate: "You’re sitting around waiting for something horrible to happen so you can prove that something horrible has been happening..." [97:00]
  • Harley: "How’s it not just acted on? So crazy." [88:03]

• On survivor advice & mental health:

  • Kate: "It can set a boundary that shows that, you know, if they continue their behavior, then they could get arrested..." [91:31]

• On the tragedy’s cascading impact:

  • Kate: "Just think of all the people that this guy has killed. Not just like physically, but metaphorically. Like, these kids lives will never be the same..." [106:53]

Policy & Cultural Critique

• Severe criticism of Oklahoma’s gun laws and weak enforcement.
• Reminder that abusers almost always show patterns, and the system often ignores repeat warning signs.
• The real threat to girls in sport is male authority figures, not trans women—debate on moral panics vs. real risks.

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3. Listener Engagement & Community Support (108:18–145:46)

• Superchats and donations. Birthday shoutouts laced with signature irreverence and warmth ("Happy birthday Alyssa from my favorite gay Jewish David podcast..." [113:11]).
• Audience members share their struggles with restraining orders, echoing the episode’s central critique of system failures.
• Lighthearted banter, including running jokes about punctuality and podcast production.

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4. Palate Cleansers: Dogs, Bizarre TikToks & AI Comedy (116:36–136:34+)

• Multiple dog videos judged and enjoyed as palate cleansers ("I think pet palate cleansers are the best after true crime. Let's make that a rule." [129:09]).
• Miami influencer oddities: lampooning men’s outlandish self-promotion, bizarre hair choices, and social media antics.
• Absurd AI-generated dialogue and skits as tension relief.

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Concluding Insights & Recap

• The Sara Gilson case highlighted the grotesquely common intersection of domestic violence, child sexual abuse, legal loopholes, and ineffective intervention.
• The podcast stressed the importance of supporting survivors, fighting for stricter laws such as red flag laws, and stopping the cycle of abuser protection.
• On a community note, financial support efforts for Sara’s children are appreciated, but the tragedy’s human cost transcends any monetary compensation.
• The spoken tone was dark, raw, sometimes irreverent, but consistently pro-survivor and anti-abuse, with moments of gallows humor and strong language.
• The episode ends with thanks to listeners, repeated roastings of dangerous men, and a reminder to "hit the thumbs up."

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Section Timestamps Index

• Festival Survival Update (Caleb Waver): 00:55–28:32
• Intro to Sara Gilson Case: 31:35
• Timeline, Social Media Posts, Allegations: 33:33–41:12
• Murder-Suicide and Family Response: 41:42–63:19
• Protective Order/Gun Law Analysis: 79:43–100:18
• Wider Cultural Critiques on Authority and Sports: 100:37–103:12
• Listener Stories and Q&A: 108:18–115:04
• Palate Cleansers: 116:36–136:34
• Sign-off and Final Thoughts: 145:00–145:46

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Notable Quotes (Speaker Attribution & Timestamp)

• Kate [64:39]: "You don’t get to be a coach."
• Harley [101:01]: "If I had a daughter in soccer, gymnastics, basketball, and the coach is a guy, I’m not into it."
• Kate [65:44]: "This is the real threat to girls in sports... grown men who are their coaches."
• Kate [90:23]: "About one fifth of the female victims who had a restraining order were killed within two days... That is not good."
• Harley [106:36]: "So crazy. Well, yeah, they have their dad. So..."
• Kate [114:02]: "The words that come out of my mouth sound very different to different people. It’s very interesting."

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Final Message

This episode is a challenging listen: a necessary, unflinching analysis of domestic violence, child abuse, and the persistent failures of legal and social systems to protect the most vulnerable—delivered in the H3 Podcast's blunt, sometimes profane, and always critical voice. The closing tone is one of grief, solidarity with survivors, and a call for meaningful reform.

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Transcript

[Kate]

Introducing Meta Glasses. You have questions. They've got answers.

[David]

Hey, Meta, what's the capital of Peru?

[Kate]

Lima. How do you say where's the restroom in Spanish? Donde esta Alvano? Hey, Meta, is a hot dog a sandwich? Technically, no. Spiritually, yes.

[Harley]

Hey, Meta, what should I do with my life?

[Kate]

That's one of life's biggest questions. What do you think? Ask anything with the new meta glasses.

[David]

5, 4, 3, 2.

[Kate]

Hello, everyone.

[Harley]

Welcome to True Twos.

[Kate]

It's True Twos time. Sorry we're so late today, but we're here.

[Harley]

Yeah, it was my fault.

[Kate]

No, it was my fault.

[Harley]

Definitely not your fault.

[Kate]

It was definitely my fault.

[David]

No, it was definitely not my fault.

[Kate]

Shut up, David.

[Harley]

I'm. I was gonna say that it's David, but I didn't wanna because once I came, once I showed up late, then it was David. What were you doing, dude? That's all you, bro.

[Kate]

Yeah, David was all set up and then as soon as we actually needed to go live, everything, like, yeah, the

[David]

bed, everything was set up for 11 and 11am and then once. Once it got to 12:30, everything went stale and I had to start all over again.

[Harley]

I think if David. I honestly do think if David did the show alone, no one would watch. No, I'm kidding. It would be. It would be on time every time. I just have a feeling David's a guy that would. He would have it ready to go. It's me goofing around.

[Kate]

It's me though. I'm included in this.

[Harley]

I just. You. You just do. You actually do everything. So you might be juggling a bit. I feel like time punctuality. David, are you a guy that's always on time?

[David]

Not particularly, but I. I try to be. Professionally, I do. Personally, I'm not usually on time.

[Kate]

Guys, what if we blame Chat? Maybe it's Chat's fault because they've been blaming us this whole time.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

So way to go, guys.

[Harley]

I blame all the gay women in Chat.

[Kate]

Be very specific, gay gals. It was your fault. Somehow. Somehow you it up. Anyway, we're here. It's true Twos. And we have a wild story that is very recent about a tick tocker who made a post about her husband and then within two weeks, less than three weeks, she and he were dead. This all just happened in July, like just a couple weeks ago. So it's very fresh. But even with that, there's so much information coming out and so we have tons to talk about. Oh, someone said I'm glowing today. That's Because I have the new Teddy glow.

[Harley]

You are. You are going. I was gonna comment on your camera.

[Kate]

Oh, thank you.

[Harley]

But I guess it's your actual face.

[Kate]

It's my actual face. First of all, I've got the Teddy Fresh classics on. When I tell you, the tank tops, they have, like, a nice slinky weight to them, you know? I love that shit.

[Harley]

Me too.

[Kate]

Like it in my sheets, like it in my clothes.

[Harley]

Like it on my women's sleep shirt.

[Kate]

Hell, yeah.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

So it just, like, hangs really nicely. And then I did both the sunny and the peachy together. I did like the sunny and the peachy. Yeah. I did like, a line of sunny, a line of peachy.

[Harley]

AB Did a line of sunny. And Shambhala.

[Kate]

I bet he did. And I blended them together. Yep. So there's that. So shout out.

[Caleb Waver]

Hila.

[Kate]

I love it so much. And look, it matches my. My nails exactly. I wasn't even trying. This is, like, one of my favorite color purples.

[David]

Harley, your house is on fire.

[Kate]

Exactly.

[Harley]

Is my window open? Is my. What's going on?

[Kate]

It's the wildfires. It's the wildfire.

[Harley]

Are you guys getting this over there? Are you getting this over there?

[Kate]

Getting what?

[Harley]

All this smoke.

[Kate]

Oh, yeah, I'm getting it chewed now that I. I look outside.

[Harley]

Well, we do are out of control.

[Kate]

We did have downwind.

[David]

We did have some smoke. And then legitimately, we had, like, a crazy sun shower at the office. Like, for 20 minutes. It was pouring rain.

[Kate]

I was gonna say, what's a sun

[David]

shower where the sun's out?

[Harley]

I like sun showers.

[Kate]

And then you get, like, rainbows. That's nice.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah, I guess that's what that's called. I've never thought about it. I just know it's. It's rainbow weather.

[Harley]

I like the sound of rain hitting the roof of a car when I'm inside the car.

[Kate]

Oh, so nice.

[Harley]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

And the smell.

[Caleb Waver]

I used to.

[David]

The asphalt.

[Kate]

Yeah. I used to do. When I was working at a college, there was a parking garage outside of my office, and if it was raining out, I would bring a pillow and a blanket to work and whack off

[Harley]

at the parking garage.

[Kate]

You got it. You got it. But then after I whacked off, I would pull back, like, the. The COVID to my sunroof and then just, like, take a little nap while it was raining at work. Oh, it was so nice.

[Harley]

This is actually hilarious. If there was a whack off in the middle.

[Kate]

Yeah, took whack off.

[David]

Then you took a break after Pullback. I was like, pullback.

[Caleb Waver]

What?

[Kate]

Yeah, pull back then never mind. Yeah, me too.

[Harley]

I had something that I like, but I'm like, we're not going to do that.

[Kate]

So you pull back the hood. Now

[Harley]

pop the hood on this bad boy. Lift up that back under the hood here.

[Kate]

Rub it out. You still got like 45 minutes of like a nice nap in the rain, which is just so important. First, before we get into the real story of the day, we have a huge update on the girl that went missing from Shambhala. She posted a video, a long video. Did you see this, Harley?

[Harley]

I watched it. I watched it.

[Kate]

So we're going to watch it now. This is Caleb Waver giving us her update. Says a thank you message and update.

[Caleb Waver]

Hey everyone, thanks for taking the time to listen to this video.

[Kate]

Of course, girl.

[Caleb Waver]

As you all probably know, I'm Caleb Wavair. I.

[Kate]

She must be so, like, embarrassed. So sad.

[Caleb Waver]

Disappeared last Sunday night. I believe it was 26th or 27th. Last seen at a festival that I went to in British Columbia. And I was found that following Thursday night near the no way border.

[Harley]

That's wild.

[Kate]

That is. It was like a five hour walk, I guess. And it was how many days later?

[Harley]

Three.

[Kate]

Three days. Oh my God.

[Caleb Waver]

I was taking the care of British paramedics. British.

[Kate]

She still seems a little BC paramedics.

[Harley]

Well, that was my thought. Who am I to say? But.

[Kate]

Well, you have been through the experience.

[Harley]

Yeah, but something like this, I mean, I, I don't know. Most people that, that go through, through something, they're not, they're not on social media right after.

[Kate]

Right.

[Harley]

You know what I mean? Yeah, but like, who am I to say how someone's going to deal with whatever and she's free to do whatever she wants.

[Kate]

Listen, I am happy for the update.

[Harley]

Extremely happy. Everyone thought she was dead.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

Every, every hour and day that passed, more people thought the worst of it, of course. And then so when she popped up, it was such a major like, oh, thank God. Because that never happens. And someone had gone missing in a similar fashion. A woman four years ago. Yeah. And that that person was never found after, so. Oh, that's right. Yeah. People definitely worried about.

[Kate]

Very, very happy.

[Harley]

But I know if she was my friend, I'd be like, yo, next month, see if you post something, don't do it right away. Yeah. Let them know you're good. But like the freestyle on camera, you know, you just want. Yeah, you have, you know, there's like a reaction for yourself physically and mentally after something A thousand percent like that, you know.

[Kate]

But yeah, no, and I mean nosy me is like, oh, I'm glad we get an update from her and see how she's doing. But yeah, she probably maybe, I don't know, we can't say. Right. She does what she wants to do. She's a grown ass woman.

[Harley]

Well, you did you watch this?

[Kate]

I have not watched the full thing.

[Harley]

Oh, you didn't pre watch? I pre watched.

[Kate]

Oh God.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Okay.

[Caleb Waver]

Brought me to the hospital and trail where they took really good care of me there.

[Kate]

Good.

[Caleb Waver]

And then my family, who I'm so grateful for, flew from Ontario 3,000 km one way to help find me.

[Harley]

I was lost, happy.

[Kate]

I know.

[Harley]

Like we thought about it, spoke about it. You're like, that's terrible. And you for sure acknowledge it's terrible. And then time passes, you do, you do a million things, whatever. And then you think about it again. For her twin sister, she's a twin. They must have thought about it every second. Yeah, you must be awake all the time thinking about it. So yeah, yeah.

[Kate]

The unknown and oh God, had no

[Caleb Waver]

idea where I was lost until I was able to get information on the way, have some of an idea of where to go for help. But it made the biggest difference having my two brothers there helping search and rescue team. And I want to thank them so much for.

[Kate]

Okay, I, I don't know what she sounded like before all of this, but there, it almost feels like she has a tbi. Like the way she's talking. Like, I don't. What is that like a traumatic brain injury?

[Harley]

Oh yeah.

[Kate]

It's like she's like a little bit like delayed, but I don't know, maybe that's just how she talks.

[Harley]

But she seems like, honestly I, I heard this and it was a couple days after obviously and listening, I was like, oh, this. You have conversations with people that sound like this at Shambhala because they're blasted the whole time, you know.

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, there's just like a, like a, a little bit of a delay.

[Caleb Waver]

Putting everything aside to make sure that I got home safe. Same with the search and rescue team there. NBC and all the festival attendees and locals like the Shams farmly spreading awareness over social media, just getting the information out. Everything that would be helpful in locating me. I've been doing all right overall. Still fresh, still processing. Definitely in different ways than other people would process. You know, I've seen, I've been pretty active on social media still. I'm just trying to keep things as normal as possible. I've had one therapy session so far that was really helpful. Someone who I've been going to regularly relating to work and other personal stuff that I've been dealing with this past year.

[Kate]

Okay. So she's had some sort of distress before going. It sounds like there's something. Other things going on.

[Harley]

Well, she was a. A power lifter. Yeah, I saw. And even something like that, a sport like that, you are so strict with your calorie intake and what you consume to maximize lifting. I'm assuming if it's anything like bodybuilding competitions, you do something to maximize at the sport.

[Kate]

Right.

[Harley]

But food is such a tricky thing and what you. You know what I mean?

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Harley]

So if you're, you know, eating in a particular way to maximize lifting and then. And then partying, all of it together can add. You know, I'm just making up. I'm the big. I don't know anything.

[Kate]

God. I know we're all just speculating and very glad she's okay, but yeah, I

[Caleb Waver]

mainly just wanted to give thanks for all the help. Just wanted to express that in video form. Although I don't like doing this kind of stuff.

[Kate]

But you didn't have to, girl.

[Caleb Waver]

It's definitely more meaningful that way. The two hospitals, they took great care of me, made me feel safe. And yeah, I have a lot of support here at home getting therapy. I have food being delivered to my place.

[Kate]

Okay.

[Caleb Waver]

From people from my family's church. Okay. And I also want to thank for

[Kate]

the gofundme Love church. Good, good.

[Caleb Waver]

It's a lot of money. And 60 of the money went to travel expenses for my brothers to get to B.C. to make sure that I got home safely. And then all of the rest of it is going to search and rescue.

[Harley]

Mind you, something like that is a good thing to make a statement about personally.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah.

[Harley]

Because there was a lot of people that donated. So mind you, that is like somewhat of an important thing because in my head, when she was like, I don't like going on camera and stuff might. I was like, well, either you do or you don't have to do this. I'm not sure, but this is the type of thing I could imagine you. She must get a lot of questions, what's happening with this now? That. Or whatever. And so she could just. One shot clear everything up.

[Kate]

Yeah. I feel like she probably. This is just me. This is just an opinion. Feels like she should still be in some sort of an inpatient situation. Yeah. Like she does. She seems. She seems like, she still needs some rehab of some kind. Not like drug rehab, but, like rehabilitation. Yes, yes, yes.

[Harley]

Like, you were. You were lost. You were lost for a couple days. So I don't. Yeah, I don't think any of us could really imagine quite.

[Kate]

Oh, my God.

[Harley]

That would be like.

[Kate]

No, Especially if you were, like, on something. Like, how extra scary.

[Harley]

And then you come to and you don't know anyone. You don't know.

[Kate]

You don't know anyone. You don't know where you are.

[Harley]

Your phone is dead. It's, like, not a place that's near civilization.

[Kate]

You don't know which way to go to get out of the forest. Like, that's so scary. I. I just feel like one therapy session is not gonna do it.

[Harley]

Well, I don't know. We don't know if she was in the forest or anything.

[Kate]

Oh, okay. Okay. I was imagining it was, like, woods. I know they saw a video.

[Harley]

I pictured something much. I pictured something much worse. Like, pictured like. I pictured, like, a person taking her. Pictured someone taking her and trying to bring her somewhere. You know, I pictured something like that. There was also the thought because a couple years ago, apparently the guy had wandered into the woods.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

And disappeared. But what they were using at Shambhala is they have drones with thermal imaging.

[Kate]

Oh, right. Yeah.

[Harley]

Apparently some guy was passed out at his camp just outside his tent, lying there, like, just looking at the sky. And a drone came over, like, and then flew away. And a couple minutes later, the. The medic team walked over and they're like, hey, are you good? And he was like, yeah, I'm just tripping just looking at the sky.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Venmo Advertiser]

Cool.

[Kate]

All right, bye. Hey, have a good one. Okay. Oh, yeah. So I. I know there was like a. A speculation that she had been seen at, like, a Starbucks drive through with a guy, but I don't know if that.

[Harley]

I never took that. I never took that post seriously. I remember that post. And I was like, I don't know. This isn't enough of a thing, right?

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Harley]

Because also what's about it is just like, oh, everyone at Shambhala who is here reading, it's like, if you guys see anything, let us know. And it's like 10,000 people that have been doing drugs all week, and they're like, I'll tell you if I see anything.

[Kate]

She wrote off. She wrote off on a Pegasus. No, I saw so much, guys. I saw so much. Exactly.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah. My family said that they were great to deal with, very informative, and let them get involved in the search. Yeah. And in terms of me, I'm just taking it day by day. I don't want to share what happens yet.

[Kate]

You might be right, Harley. Definitely might be other people involved.

[Harley]

Three parts to the sentence.

[Kate]

Right.

[Harley]

The I don't want to share yet. And then the next part.

[Caleb Waver]

Like no matter how many times people ask me what happened, like it's not going to change when I decide to share that story. I know it's something I want to do. I know it's going to help people but.

[Kate]

Interesting.

[Caleb Waver]

I gotta process it still. Like it just happened.

[Kate]

Totally queen.

[Caleb Waver]

Like, I don't know. People are wild online.

[Harley]

Yes.

[Kate]

Like, okay.

[Caleb Waver]

For some people it doesn't seem like they see me as a person. Person who just experienced something extremely traumatic. Something I wouldn't wish anyone to ever experience. Literally. Like being by yourself. No one around you. Unfamiliar area.

[Harley]

Freaky. So not knowing.

[Caleb Waver]

So scary when you were going to find food next or a water source. But thankfully I was able to figure it out enough to.

[Kate]

She's a survivor for sure.

[Caleb Waver]

Survive until. Until I got help. And I'm also.

[Harley]

She's like 6 foot and a power lifter. And I'm not taking away that it's still a huge privilege to be a guy in this situation. But like she's strong person.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

You know. Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah. Thank God she was right.

[Harley]

Thank God.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

Literally.

[Kate]

Because you know, if she didn't have the. That about her then who knows what could have happened because who knows where she needed to use her strength and all of that like mental and physical. This poor girl.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah. You never really. I've personally never really been so grateful to be here and back at home.

[Kate]

Oh, this poor girl.

[Caleb Waver]

Because when I was out there, I did not think I was going to make it back home. There's a lot of people out there in the same situation still ongoing missing people. And just other terrible things that happen in this world, other reasons for people going missing and.

[Kate]

Oh yeah. And she's an emt.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

So she has like a lot of the survival skills that it probably took to, to power through that stuff. But still it's so traumatic. I mean you're. You're having a near death experience even though maybe you're not exactly actively dying.

[Caleb Waver]

Right.

[Kate]

Because like she said she had no idea when or if she was ever going to get food again. This is horrible.

[Harley]

You're. And you're also three days after a festival where you. No one's eating properly. Like it's not it. And then like I said before, she powerlifting you already have a very specific diet. Yeah.

[Kate]

So then you're probably crashing and yeah, you're.

[Harley]

You're off on a bad foot. They probably dehydrated everything in every sense.

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[Caleb Waver]

I'm hoping. I want to try my best to heal myself as much as possible to be able to start those conversations and. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. I just finished a rugby game. It was fun, girl. I'm just. Yeah. Just trying to keep things okay. So normal, but still letting myself feel and process.

[Kate]

Okay, so she's not like, you can't slow her down.

[Harley]

Dude, she's going to Base coast next weekend.

[Kate]

She's locked in. But. Wow. Yeah. I mean, it is.

[Harley]

If you wanted. I guess they're just like. They'd say, be normal. She's just for us. We're like, whoa, rugby, that's crazy. But that's her normal.

[Kate]

Yes. Right. She's.

[Harley]

If they're just like, hey, just. I don't know what the doctor's telling her or whatever or, you know, a therapy. But if they're like, yeah, try and just live your life normal right now.

[Kate]

Like, I'm gonna smash some.

[Harley]

Yeah, maybe rugby's part of that, right?

[Kate]

Dude, rugby girls are nuts. Like in a great way.

[Harley]

And crazier than roller derby girls.

[Kate]

Yes. And they're obsessed with rugby and they always want to be playing rugby and they want to play rugby until they die. Like so. And I totally get that. And it's like a huge community and I'm sure that those girls are. Are helping her and supporting her.

[Harley]

And I'm telling you, like, they're just like, yes, she's coming. Yeah, we're winning this one.

[Caleb Waver]

She's coming.

[Kate]

Exactly. You want her on your.

[Harley]

I wonder if at all she was like, I gotta get back. I got a game.

[Kate]

I got a game on Sunday. That's like driving her the whole time. No, but like, my. One of my friends had breast cancer and she could cannot wait to like be done with chemo. So she could like go to drink ups and stuff. Like, they're crazy. They're nuts. But yeah. Okay. So I'm glad that she has a lot. It seems like a lot of community around her.

[Caleb Waver]

I am going on stress leave.

[Kate]

Good. Obviously stress leave. Okay.

[Caleb Waver]

For the time being. And yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks again. I've met some amazing people. I've been talking to some amazing people since coming back home. I'll always be a part of the rave community. There are things I'm definitely going to change once I'M back in the scene.

[Kate]

Interesting.

[Caleb Waver]

It's not going to be for a while, which sucks, but it's for the best. But yeah, it'll be a good return once I do. Okay. And meantime, I'm just going to keep focusing on myself and what I need. Resting, other hobbies, more chill ones. Definitely going to go back to powerlifting. I've already talked to my coach. Shout out Adam Amali. I'm gonna get super jacked and strong again with all this extra time. It's gonna be weird not working, but

[Kate]

you got what it is. That's good, girl. Just take a little time.

[Caleb Waver]

My DMs are always open to talk about anything mental health related or really anything like. But yeah, like, I'm not, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna tell you what happened yet.

[Kate]

Yeah. Maybe don't say your DMs are open just because, like, you don't need to be absorbing other people's trauma. And I know that's what's happening. I know people are like, this happened to me or my sister disappeared and died. You know, Like, I think people are probably trauma dumping on her as well. So.

[Harley]

Yes, God, people, like once again, I, I said like, the crowd is a festival where people cut loose and have a good time. So mentally a lot of people come back, they need some time. And a story like this, they might just take a personal attachment to in some way write some crazy stuff. She might end up, you know, reading a lot of things when people are, are when they, when this is new.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

You kind of get caught up reading every single thing.

[Kate]

Exactly.

[Harley]

That's just, you know, a brutal, brutal to experience as well. And people just. The crowd that would be writing stuff, right. You know, they're like, they're all on their downers from partying and who knows how the brains are working.

[Kate]

Right. And her included. Right. Most likely just in that space. And it seems like she already feels bad that other people haven't lived and she did. Right. She's like, some, so many people are still out there, not found. Like, she's already thinking about like the universe of missing people. And so I just hope she's giving herself grace and breaks from the Internet and, and all of that because it's a lot to manage. What else does she have to say here?

[Caleb Waver]

So please chill about that.

[Kate]

Please chill about that. Be chill, everybody.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah.

[Kate]

I'm so glad she's alive.

[Harley]

I know.

[Caleb Waver]

Okay. That's it for now, actually.

[Harley]

A miracle. I, I, I, you know, when people go missing, the, the Chances that, you know, every day that passes. And this was like, four days or something.

[Kate]

That's. That's a long time. Well, yeah, because they're changing for her

[Harley]

life, changing for her family, I'm sure.

[Kate]

Right? They say like 20 the first 48 hours.

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[Kate]

Yeah, it's crazy. Plus, like, I'm just.

[Harley]

You're in the middle of nowhere.

[Kate]

Nowhere. Yeah. Like, there is no. There are no, like, touchstones. Right. There's, like, nothing you can see.

[Harley]

Just, like, wing it in the woods at night. It's surprisingly cold.

[Kate]

Right.

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[Kate]

Yeah, it gets really cold even in the summertime in the woods. So, yeah, I mean, that's. That's the update from Kayla. I'm glad that she's okay. I'm glad that she's taking some time off.

[Harley]

She didn't mention a. A book in this one. Did we cut. Did we watch it all? Because I think she mentioned that she was going to do, like, a book or something.

[David]

Really?

[Harley]

She was like, yeah, she wanted to save her story.

[Kate]

She should.

[Harley]

She was ready.

[Kate]

And then she should. Yeah, she said that. I didn't hear the book part, but I hope she does write a book now.

[Harley]

Reading sucks. I hope she goes to Netflix.

[Kate]

Someone said Zendaya will get her part. And I was like, yeah, that. That makes sense. That totally makes sense. So shout out to Kayla. I hope she keeps healing. It sounds like she knows what happened. If she's already back to rugby, we know that she didn't physically get hurt to any degree. Right. So that's good. And, yeah, it sounds like she has a good support system. So I'm. I'm interested to hear what her. What her takeaways are. Not just why it happened, but, like, how she. How she plans to, like, reintegrate into the community and what she plans to do differently. All that's very interesting to me. So.

[Caleb Waver]

So, yeah.

[Harley]

Yeah, there's definitely a warning in there for.

[Kate]

Right.

[Harley]

And a takeaway.

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah, that'll be very interesting to hear. Right. And were there other people involved, like you were saying? Like, it's hard.

[Harley]

She made it seem quite dark at one point there. You know, she said she's not ready to talk, which I don't want to speculate too much, but she gave it something like that. There was something there.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Maybe something happened at the festival and she, like, ran away or who knows? We're all speculating. But yeah, shout out to her and her family. And I'm glad that.

[Harley]

To the family.

[Kate]

Shout out to the family as well. In Search and rescue and everybody. And I'm just glad that this had a happy ending because that. Well, we're not going to be talking about a happy ending for the rest of the day, so I'm talking about

[Harley]

a happy ending after work.

[Kate]

You got. You got good massage parlors in Montreal.

[David]

No, he's got the ultra blue.

[Kate]

That's too much of your own work, though. That's too much your own work.

[David]

You don't know. You haven't used it.

[Harley]

I had people over and they. They were going to the, like, someone's like, oh, where's the bad. Their bathroom down here. I'm like, yeah, there's a bathroom there. And then I was like, oh. And, like, ran. Because, like, my Ultra blows in three pieces. Like, drying out next to the sink.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

So I was like, hold on a second. I go. And, like. And then just threw it under the sink.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

Flush the toilet came on. I was turd sitting in there.

[Kate]

Sorry, guys.

[Harley]

I had to get rid of that.

[Kate]

Would an actual turd be more or less embarrassing? Thank you. The auto Blow people will be ultra blow.

[Harley]

You every. Anyone would be comfortable, I think into a hole where someone just flushed their.

[Kate]

Okay.

[Harley]

Versus in a hole while hole that they nutted in is right in front of your face.

[Kate]

But.

[Caleb Waver]

Okay.

[Kate]

But if it's in three pieces, could they have been able to tell?

[Harley]

No, and that's worse because they'll ask a lot of questions.

[David]

It's really hard to explain.

[Kate]

Talk about it.

[David]

An ultra Blow in three pieces, but

[Harley]

it's like, yeah, just a turd. Oh, it's kind of like, yeah, yeah.

[Kate]

Okay. Got you. A turd's a turd.

[Harley]

You know, exactly this. I'd have to be like. They'd be like, what is this, a flashlight? I'm like, no,

[David]

it's much more complex.

[Kate]

It's much worse, actually. Oh, God. All right, let's. Hey, I just Venmoed you for rent.

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[Kate]

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[Kate]

na do a hard transition here. Harley and David, have you heard about Sarah Gilson? Okay, so this just popped up on my feed a couple weeks ago. David, you can open the, the picture that I shared of, of Sarah.

[David]

Yes.

[Kate]

So Sarah Gilson is here on the right. She was a 43 year old influencer, TikTok influencer and a hair stylist. She lived in Oklahoma and she had over a hundred thousand followers on Tick Tock. Her whole account is just like buy this, buy this by this. She's an influencer, just selling tons of different stuff.

[Harley]

Top of the funnel.

[Kate]

Yeah, very, very much top of funnel. This is her husband at the time. His name is Jeremiah Duffy, but he goes by Sean. So this is Sean and this is Sarah. They were both previously divorced and had children from their separate marriages, their first marriages. And then they got together and got married. And she did have, she wiped a lot of the videos of the two of them. But New York Post was able to get some of the videos of them together. And so here, here's what the content was basically like. Just a lot of Aerie was like her main brand that she was hawking on TikTok. Actually I can just probably mute this because it's not going to show their audio. Just. And then this is, this is Sean helping her model things. Get your man right with this winter with this tracksuit. And here she is selling a little camera thing. Actually you can hear him in this one. You can hear them both in this one.

[David]

Showing off a mini camcorder.

[Caleb Waver]

I'm recording myself.

[Kate]

Recording you. Epic.

[David]

And reviewing a perk traveling duffel bag.

[Kate]

Now this one, listen to where he's going. You had a basketball tournament this weekend

[Caleb Waver]

and you got to take your new bag.

[Harley]

Basketball tournament.

[David]

One video on Instagram from January 2025 even chose Duffy. She's snuggling with the couple's pooch in bed.

[Kate]

She loves her daddy, but despite a. Okay, so that's them. That is Sarah and Sean. She was Duffy at the time and then went back to Gilson. She still misses Duffy on Instagram, but the last post there was 10 weeks ago. Also I did find this picture. Apparently her. Oh, do you hear me?

[David]

Whoa. You cut out for a second.

[Harley]

Am I? Hello? Can you hear me?

[David]

You're back.

[Kate]

You're like chopping. You're chopping in and out. You're chopping in and out.

[Harley]

Oh, I, I, I, I, I know. I just realized I know what this is. Let me, let me, let me fix my computer. I, I remember this story. Actually, it Popped up for me.

[Kate]

Okay.

[Harley]

But, yeah, you're doing great. I'm doing terribly.

[Kate]

No, you're not.

[Harley]

You're doing great, though, everyone. David, you too. I understand. I'm. I'm doing. Let me see if we could fix this. You keep doing. Keep doing the show. The show's great.

[Kate]

Okay, cool. Yeah. All right, let's go. Let's go back to this then. And I will. I will keep telling this story.

[Caleb Waver]

So.

[Kate]

Yeah, she was also a step grandma. One of Sean's older children had a baby recently. So he has five kids from his previous marriage. At the time, they were ages like 15 to 25. They were much older. And then she has two teenage kids.

[David]

Are you good?

[Kate]

Is he back?

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[Kate]

Nope. Okay. He'll let us know when he's back. I'll just keep going. So. Okay. They seem to the outside world to be a happy couple. And then on July 11th of this year, so just a couple weeks up, literally one month ago. One month ago today, Sarah Gilson, Sarah Duffy at the time, shares this video. Make sure it's muted. So she's doing that Netflix documentary trend. And it says, preparing for when Netflix drops a documentary about my soon to be ex husband who. Who I just found out is a pedophile. So she drops this video and then how far after this? Oh, then she posts this one on July 20th. So a little over a week later, she posts May, whatever the that was, never find me again. And so she's clearly. She's clearly going through it, right? She's clearly going through it. Her husband apparently is a. Is accused of being a pedophile, according to her. And then I think it was this one that has the. The full caption here. Here we go. It says, this is before we knew anything. This was June. June 20th. Thank you for the army. Your thoughts, your prayers and gift cards have meant more than you know. While I'm grieving and trying to process the worst thing imaginable, I'm solely focused on my children and their well being. Their safety and mental health is my only concern at this time. We are not okay. And I'm not sure I'll ever be the same. But God has been so faithful in this process, and I feel his presence in everything I do. Let's all remember to pray for the victim and respect her privacy. So this is before she posts about him being a pedophile. Clearly she's posting mostly for her local community. And then, yeah, so she posts this and then she posts a pedophile video. And then she posts Made whatever the that was. Never find me again. So what happened next? So her last tik tok was on July 20th, the one that I've. I've got here. Three days later on July 23rd. Three days later on July 23, 911 gets a call. I'm not sharing the actual call. What I'm sharing is the police and the dispatchers talking about the call that had come in. And so you'll be able to hear what the contents of that call were like without actually hearing like the traumatic shit that happened during the call. So here we go.

[David]

After she publicly accused him of being

[Harley]

a pedophile on her TikTok page.

[Kate]

Idol male that we were looking for a few weeks ago after you got caught kissing a juvenile. So already the dispatchers know who this guy is because he, he had been caught doing some stuff, which is why she said something. We'll get into the whole allegation after.

[David]

Here's what we know about murdered influencer Sarah Gilson and the shocking claim she

[Kate]

made about her soon to be killer

[Harley]

ex husband, Sean Duffy. Police raped.

[Kate]

Hang on, let me get to the rest of the audio here. Hello? Okay, here's the rest of the audio from the cops.

[David]

Loud BANG.

[Kate]

I'm trying to reach him back, but I can hear a female in the background screaming and crying. Some sort of loud bang in the background.

[David]

When Owasso law enforcement arrived at the

[Harley]

home, they discovered a sickening scene. A husband and wife were dead, both

[David]

with apparent gunshot wounds to the head.

[Kate]

So let's talk about what happened there. Okay, so we know that this guy has now been accused of being a predator of some kind by his wife at the time. But of course it's very complicated. So the night of July 23rd, Gilson, who's Sarah. So Sarah and Sean were both found dead with gunshot wounds in their home. A child who lived in the home had made the 911 call. Unclear who that child was obviously. And when the and the authorities arrived at the scene around 11:15pm and the law enforcement officials interviewed a family member. Again, unclear if it's the same child, but this family member was present at the time of the incident and they said that it was a murder suicide. So Duffy killed her and then killed himself. That is, that is what the people on the scene, the actual witnesses said. And as is usually the case, this was not the first incident. Harley, are you good? We back?

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Okay, cool. And you said you have heard about this?

[Harley]

I did, I did remember hearing about it.

[Kate]

Okay.

[Harley]

I just. Yeah.

[Kate]

So gross.

[Harley]

Yeah. Scumbag.

[Kate]

Absolutely.

[Harley]

Just. Just do it. Just. Just do you just do you. Smartest idea you ever had in your entire life.

[Kate]

Yes. If only you've done it before you did all the other. Gross. But also. Yeah, just. Do you just do you.

[Harley]

And like, just like, he's. He's got like. Just his. Just his face. He's got like shark. Shark eyes, you know?

[Kate]

Yes, definitely. Predator behavior.

[Harley]

Yeah, it's just up and. Do they have a kid? Was it their child?

[Kate]

No, they don't. They don't have any of their own kids. They just had a bunch of kids from different marriages. So he has five, she has two. They're teenagers and in their 20s. They're a bit older. Yeah. Yeah. So this was not the first incident. There had been a lot of ongoing violence and fear, like, over the last years. Sarah was still pretty close with her ex husband, and he's actually been a great guy through all this stuff. He's kind of a bright. A bright spot in this. Look at me. Complimenting a man and give me compliments

[Harley]

all the time after the show.

[Kate]

I do. It's true.

[Harley]

I was like, I didn't want to do it during this. You're like, I didn't want to do it during the show because I didn't want the audience getting the wrong idea.

[Kate]

Come on. I have an. I have a reputation to protect. Of course. But yeah, so Lyle Landers is her ex. And Lyle said that she had been stuck in a relationship where domestic abuse seemed okay. I had begged her for five years to get away from him. So this was not. This was not something new. Like I said, it rarely is. It's really rarely like the first time that they have an argument that something like this would happen. I had offered to help her in any way I could to get away from him, but he seemed to have some sort of control over her, and she couldn't seem to get away. And that's why there were, like, happy videos of them together. Right. Because there's this cycle of abuse and everything. So you know what? What was on social media was definitely not what was happening behind the scenes. She had tried to get two different protective orders against him, so restraining orders against him, but they were both dismissed because she didn't show up for court. Another. You know, he probably intimidated her out of going and actually getting the restraining order. So they had been having problems for years, and they were. They were estranged and got more estranged when the allegations dropped a couple weeks ago. But back in 2024. So two years ago, and this is a, a weird thing, Duffy. Shawn called the police department to report that his semi automatic handgun was stolen from his vehicle. Now to me, that is a way for somebody to get out of having to turn their handgun in because they are accused of domestic violence. Because in a lot of places that happens where if you have any sort of domestic violence record, they take your gun at least for a certain amount of time.

[Harley]

He said that. He said that.

[Kate]

He said someone stole his gun. This is in 2024. So according to him, he didn't have a gun in the house because it was stolen. To me, that's him preparing to use it in an illegal way, whether on her or somebody else who knows. He also filed for bankruptcy in 2024. Apparently they had. I think it was like $260,000 in debt, which is a lot.

[Harley]

Was his. What was his business? What was he doing?

[Kate]

I couldn't, I really could not find out. Like I was trying to find what his job was. Maybe if someone in Oklahoma knows, but she was doing. She was a hairdresser and influencer. I could not find what he did besides coaching, which is what got him into trouble. But I don't know if that pays to the degree that. And maybe that was like his only job. The only thing I could find was that he was. That he was a coach for what, a girls sports team. We will talk. We will talk about that because that is a huge piece of this story. He noted 6. A little over 6k for their combined monthly, monthly income. So I mean, he's not making a ton of money. And at the time of filing, he had $100 in checking and 300 in savings. But he also marked his gun as a part of the, the value. Unless this is a different gun. Glock 19 pistol valued at $450. So maybe he had multiple guns. I don't know. So there was clearly financial stress going on. There was DV already going $150. Is that a lot or a little? I feel like that's a little. You can buy guns.

[Harley]

450 bucks. You get to. You get like the gun. The policeman has like a revolver. Like, like a little. A little. A little budgeting. And you could actually make a wall.

[Kate]

Yes, you could absolutely have a wall of guns. Do they give them away here? My wife's. My wife's dad. My wife's dad. Yes.

[Harley]

Was a gun.

[Kate]

He was actually a gun. She is 50 gun.

[Harley]

She's a son of a gun.

[Kate]

He won a gun at a, at a.

[Harley]

Like he was at the carnival. Carnival just tossed the ball, knocked over three milk bottles, and they're like, here you go. A gun.

[Kate]

No, when you squirt it in the. The clown's mouth and he blows up, that's what it was.

[Harley]

Like, it's loaded. Don't go shooting it now.

[Kate]

Yeah, put it in your car. Maybe he, like, put in for a raffle at this, like, big sporting goods store, and he won, like, a full, like, hunting outfit and a real gun, like a. Like a rifle.

[Harley]

I'd be stressed. If I, like, want a gun and they're like, come get your gun. I'd be like, what? And just, like, like, put it. And then. And then put it in my car. And then trap man put it in my house. I would always know where it is and where the barrel is facing. Like, if it was in the closet all the way there, I'd be like, oh, yeah, I can't. And I would, like, duck under it. I. I stayed at a buddy's house who had a wall of guns, and all of the guns on the wall are mounted, pointing at, like, where the door is. So when you walk by, there's, like, a millisecond of, like, a wall of guns pointing at you kind of.

[Kate]

I don't like that.

[Harley]

And I'm like, every single one of them's got to be empty. And it wouldn't just automatically shoot the time that I'm walking by here. But God would be silly. I am a funny guy, and God could be silly sometimes. And this would be like.

[Kate]

Like a joke.

[Harley]

Yeah, yeah. So I would duck through. I would duck through it sometimes.

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harley]

Like, so I'm like, ducking under the, like, where they're pointing.

[Kate]

I. What. I was like that until I married into this family, and then I kind of got used to them, but I still don't like them. I still won't use them. And sick. They are locked away there. There are no gun walls in this family. Everything's in a safe with a lock.

[Harley]

I think my friend that drinks out of the garbage has a gun. A couple guns. He's got a couple guns.

[Kate]

I don't know if he should.

[Harley]

He's. He's not a person that is unsafe in all of his. It's all locked up, and he's got, like, that type of autism where, like, okay, everything is, like, the. The ammo and the stuff. They're all in separate places.

[Kate]

Yeah, that's what looks in different things.

[Harley]

Yeah, you got to do it. And there's, like, a zip tie on the Gun. So you can't even like if you had, you know. Yeah, yeah, he's good at it.

[Kate]

Does he like go to the gun range? Is he a hunter? What's his, what's the tea with him?

[Harley]

Yeah, he goes to the gun range. He likes to go to the range.

[Kate]

He just likes to shoot stuff.

[Harley]

Yeah, he likes to go the range. I think he likes to clean them and look at them and stuff. Yeah, I don't like that either. But it's funny because you have to get, you have to get a person to like be like, to vouch for you. Which he had plenty of people that he did. But like, I am one of his best friends.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

And he didn't come and ask me.

[Kate]

You were not gun vouch worthy.

[Harley]

I, I, I like, I, I just, he just would have had to have a talk with me and I just think he wanted to have the talk.

[Kate]

It's like, I'm not doing this with Harley.

[Harley]

Exactly. I have been like, oh, really?

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[Kate]

He's like, Harley's gonna tell him I'm not trustworthy. He's gonna ruin my guns.

[Harley]

I just thought, I'm like, I don't want to co sign anyone's gun.

[Kate]

Yeah, exactly.

[Harley]

And you should. I love, I love guns and wall of gun.

[Kate]

Wall of gun.

[Harley]

I never bought, I never bought gun or never committed to wall of gun myself and that. And then so I'm like, oh, so someone who's gotta go get a gun. I'm just like, really? Okay. I don't know, dude, tell me about, tell me about that. Write me, write me a 5, 000 word essay on why you.

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[Harley]

Why? Because it' to know what's up, why you have to buy this, you know?

[Kate]

Yeah, I know.

[David]

I,

[Kate]

I guess I have, I've carved out an exception in my brain for hunting. And so Liz has hunting rifles, like one for deer, one for birds. So they're different. But then I know people that have like assault rifles and handguns and like, like more guns than you could ever use and that I don't like more guns. Yeah.

[Harley]

Raining guns.

[Kate]

Yeah. Just so like multiple like guns on guns on guns that I'm like, why do we like this? What is the deal? But like, if you're using them for like a specific function, if you're a hunter, I'm like, okay, that's fine. And if you're safe about it, like, she's much safe. Her family's much safer than my dad was, who would go hunting like once a year but had a long Gun in the closet called Big John, like just hanging out, you know what I mean? Like he was reckless. He was reckless with his, with his gun for sure. But very glad that we never a horrible accident didn't befall us. Okay, so that's the guns,

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[Kate]

Oh, and the, the bankruptcy ended up being discharged a few months later. So I guess that didn't go through. So clearly he had a lot of terrible happening.

[Harley]

What does that mean? What do you mean it was discharged? It didn't go.

[Kate]

Does that happen? I thought it meant that it didn't go through. Let me see. Discharged bankruptcy meaning releases the debtor. Oh, oh, okay, then it was. Then some of it did go through. So I thought I had the wrong thought. So. Good question. So what is a discharge of bankruptcy? A discharge releases the debtor from personal liability for certain specified types of debts.

[Harley]

I typed in. What is discharging on a completely different answer from you.

[Kate]

I don't want to know. You're stupid. All right, so everyone get their sillies out. It's about to get really, really, really bad. Okay, so the problem, or, or the, the problem revealed itself the biggest problem on June 10, on June 10 is when a girl in the area or a woman in the area filed a protective order on behalf of her daughter against Sean. The Minor was a 15 year old girl who played on the youth basketball team Duffy coached. Now if you think back to the videos I showed, Mr. Duffy was going on a basketball tournament weekend and he was going to use his cool bag that, that Sarah was, was selling, right? So this was at least part of his job, was going to these like travel basketball tournaments. Allegedly he kissed and touched the girl and was caught by another coach. First of all, shout out to that other coach because if we think about, do you remember what happened at Penn State with the kids and how one of the coaches like walked in, saw a kid being abused and just walked out and didn't say anything like, I am so glad that this other coach actually did something with the information and went to the parents. And so the girl told the mother that Sean had engaged in other inappropriate behavior as well, outside of this one incident where he was caught, including sending her messages, inviting to her to his hotel room during a tournament trip and offering her money to keep her quiet. Total disgusting scumbag. And then the police also say that similar conduct by this coach toward this particular juvenile was reported to have occurred over an extended period of time in multiple law enforcement jurisdictions across multiple states. States prior to this specific incident. So he was looking At a lot of trouble. Potentially multiple cases in multiple cities or states or what. Wherever he was doing this. And the police actually tried to pick him up, it says, at the school where the allegations took place. So, I mean, this happened kind of quickly. It must have been around the 10th when it actually happened. And they were still at this away game, but he had already left. Like, he fled. And over the next 24 hours, police across multiple jurisdictions attempted to locate Sean by pinging cell phone towers. So this guy was just, like, in the wind after he got caught. And they also attempted to locate him by flying a drone near a tower.

[Harley]

I'm sorry. Well. Well, yeah, go ahead. So at this point, the allegations are out. The young girl made the accusation and backed by another coach. And at this point, he is. He is living with Sarah, or are they. Okay, are they. Are they married?

[Kate]

Yes, they are married.

[Harley]

So they're married. They're living together. And he. He there. He had history of domestic abuse before this.

[Kate]

Yep.

[Harley]

And. But they were still together, and she was, you know, essentially trapped. And yes, the allegations was the last straw. Yes, she posted about it. And this is all. This is all. So when the allegations come out, where. Where is he? Did he already.

[David]

Peace.

[Harley]

He peaced out when. When she made that video about it?

[Kate]

Yes. Okay, so the allegations happened on June 10 and June 10. So the mom of the girl files a restraining order. Sarah also files a restraining order same day. So she knows about it the same day. They both get their restraining orders approved, and this guy takes off.

[Caleb Waver]

He.

[Kate]

I mean, if they were trying to arrest him at the school, I'm. I'm assuming that he was away on a trip, this happened, and this coach immediately called the cops about it. And so this guy takes off. He has two pending restraining orders on him, and he, like, can't be found for the next 24 hours. And then they weren't able to do anything about it because the alleged crimes, the specific ones that they were told about that day or. Or that week, they took place on Cherokee land, and Sean was a member of the Osage tribe. And so the police had to refer it to. They referred it to the U.S. attorney's office in Tulsa, which is the organization that has jurisdiction over crimes on tribal land. So basically, yeah, it complicates things. It slows things down. And so. And so that's what happens. So then she has this restraining order, so he can't be home, so he is away. And then that's June 10, June 20. She posts the tick. The. The tick tock. Where she does the big. She does the big caption about, you guys are my army, you know, all that and saying, like, let's respect the girl's privacy and all of that. So she posts that 10 days after this all happens, probably because she's getting tons of questions about it, talking about her trauma and pain. And then two weeks later, she does the pedophile video. And then a few days later, or like, what, 12 days later, less than two weeks later, he kills her and kills himself. So that is where we are at now. And a lot of has come out since specifically from both of their exes who are on the same page and think this guy is a monster.

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[Kate]

Total monster.

[Harley]

Right, well, we know who he is now, but, yeah, they were. They just had warned people, but. Yes, yes.

[Kate]

Yeah, exactly. Oh, one thing that. That Gilson Sarah here mentioned in her restraining order request was that he had a gun, had threatened suicide, and went on the run. So he had talked to her enough for her to know that he was dangerous. So. All right, so they both got restraining

[Harley]

orders, and they got an emergency protective order. Yeah, I see her. And the court records showed she had sought protective orders in the past.

[Kate]

Yeah, and they were both thrown out eventually. Yeah, that was 2021. So it must have been really rough in 2021 when she was really scared for her life.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

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[Kate]

And then the. The allegations came out. But according to her ex, this was kind of an ongoing vicious cycle for the five years that they were married. Okay, so we find out after he dies. Well, after he kills her and kills himself. His own children say that he doesn't deserve a funeral, and they do not plan to give him one, because under Oklahoma law, Sean's children are the ones who are considered next of kin, and they get to decide what is done after his death. So instead of doing Any kind of garbage. Yeah, they could. They could do whatever they could do

[Harley]

that you could throw in the garbage.

[Kate]

Yeah, why not? Yeah, you don't have to do anything. So basically they didn't do any kind of services, any funeral, and they cremated him and now he's in like a family plot at the funeral home. Like, he's not even in like a. Like a cemetery with. With other people. He's like, in his own place. So, I mean, I would have just thrown him in the garbage. But yeah, people are weird about the afterlife and they think, oh, you can't be, you know, doing stuff like that because maybe it'll come back to you. But whatever. So we find out that. We find out that the kids who are, you know, like I said, teenagers to like mid-20s, some of them with children, they're like, this guy, what he did, he does not deserve any sort of peace in the afterlife. And we're not doing anything about it because they're.

[Harley]

They're teenagers. A couple of them, right?

[Kate]

Yeah. 15 years old. His youngest was 15 at the time, which is the age of the girl that. That he abused ongoing, probably for years. Disgusting and clear. Probably not the first one because, like, why are you coaching softball or basketball? Girls basketball. Like, what are you doing?

[Harley]

But just like, just like the vetting process, once someone has had sought protective orders because someone had engaged in threatening behavior. Also possessed a firearm, threatened suicide. But even just on the lowest, like, threatening behavior shouldn't be with kids.

[Kate]

You don't get to be a coach

[Harley]

like it should be. So that stuff is so.

[Kate]

Well, it sucks because all that stuff gets thrown out and then it's not on his record, you know, like.

[Harley]

Right.

[Kate]

It sucks. And I don't think that that'll change because then people will say, oh, well, people can just do like fake protective orders just to guys over.

[Caleb Waver]

Right.

[Kate]

Which is what they always say.

[Harley]

Yeah. Yeah. And that never happens, though. That never ever happens ever.

[Kate]

Not a lot.

[Harley]

No. Listen, it'd be opposite in comparison, right? It's not a worthy comparison.

[Kate]

Yeah, no, it's not.

[Harley]

But yeah, it just sucks.

[Kate]

Some crazy people that.

[Harley]

Of course.

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

[Harley]

But no, I. I agree when it comes to kids, I think it's just being less leniency on people's behaviors and stuff like that.

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[Kate]

God.

[Harley]

And just like, also, okay, you engage. Someone said you engage in threatening behavior and. And maybe it doesn't pan out like you. This isn't the end all be all. You can go work. Not with kids. Right.

[Kate]

Just not with kids.

[Harley]

Like, what's like is it's like such a calling to be with kids in this situation, you know? I'm just saying.

[Kate]

I know.

[Harley]

I don't know. I. Listen, I. I don't have kids, but I always try and put myself in the shoes and I'm just like. Like the stories I've heard. I'd be weirded out in a lot of situations. Like, I'm like, I. I never understood why my mom didn't let me have a sleepover at some friend's houses.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

And now I look back and I'm like, oh, yeah, that house is like, I thought it was cool because they have a super Nintendo. I have a super Nintendo.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah.

[Harley]

But I'm not picking up on all the.

[Kate]

That's going around house is not cool.

[Harley]

Exactly. And. And now I think about. I'm like, timely. My kid wouldn't sleep in anyone's house.

[Kate]

Dude. Yeah. Y.

[Harley]

You know what I mean?

[Kate]

My mom worked in the. In the court system, and she was very, like, very careful about places we slept over. Like, if. If there were. If there was like a single mom who had a boyfriend, she's like, no. She's like, who the is that? You're not.

[Harley]

Strange guy. No, of course. Strange guy.

[Kate]

Loose guy. We don't want loose guys.

[Harley]

No, loose men.

[Kate]

Yeah. And this makes me think about the whole Sophie Cunningham thing that's happening, of course, where this is the real threat to girls in sports. It's grown men who are their coaches, who are their trainers, who are their doctors. They are the ones who are abusing girls and also causing them to quit sports because of things that happen to them. It is never trans women. It is guys like Sha Duffy who weasel their way into travel sports teams and then end up finding ways to get alone with teenage girls after the game. These are the threats, and these are the same men that are, like, really adamant that trans women are trying to ruin women's sports. They don't actually give a. At all. So. Okay, so we find out that his

[Harley]

kids, Sophie, was the. The WNBA player who's like, I care

[Kate]

about girls and sports.

[Harley]

Did you see. Did you see what she posted the other day?

[Kate]

I see all of it.

[Harley]

You see all of it?

[Kate]

Yes.

[Harley]

You don't you see our secret link here?

[Kate]

Oh, let me see. Oh, God. What? Ew, I hate her so much. What is she saying? Can I play it or no?

[Harley]

Yeah, on mute.

[Kate]

Ew, I hate this. I'm not playing.

[Harley]

You believe that she.

[Kate]

Well, this is from April.

[Harley]

Well, it's new to me.

[Kate]

Here, let me just mute it and play it. This is what you wanted me to see.

[Harley]

No, I didn't send that.

[Kate]

Yes, you.

[Harley]

That's not what I sent. Why are you pranking me on the show like that?

[Kate]

Oh, my God, bro. Yes, you did. Oh, God. Yeah, so it's crickets. Like, someone said it's crickets from her on stuff like this. She's busy, like inviting anti trans activists to games and stuff.

[Harley]

But do you see all the. Do you see those losers? Those dudes, those losers that come? So like, bro, that guy, someone, he, he was in the NBA at one point or something like that, and he was like, oh, now I'm gonna join the WNBA because I identify. And it's just like, dude, what are you doing? The, the, the bit from 2020 that.

[Kate]

Yes.

[Harley]

Like a sneako viewer would do. But you're a grown man. Yeah, like, you're doing, you're doing it now. Like, this is like, this is like how a 14 year old comments on this discussion here. That's what people do. They, A lot of people muddy it up. Yeah, they muddy it up with, with nonsense and just fill, fill it trash. Like those guys just being like, oh, I'm gonna do it. It's like, shut up, shut up.

[Kate]

And also one of them, it's not

[Harley]

funny, not smart, not clever. That's like you are. You're 13 years old in the brain with that.

[Kate]

Yeah. And they were all also, as far as I know, both terrible at basketball. And one of them has like multiple charges against him relating to abuse against women.

[Harley]

Really? Oh, my God.

[Kate]

So, like, that's, that's the thing. Like, it's just so, it's just so stupid. And they're not. They clearly don't actually give a. About women's sports. It all just comes back to wanting to make fun of women, ridicule women, degrade them, make fun of our sports, make fun of our, our abilities and all of that. So.

[Harley]

Except for my boy. My boy that drinks out of the garbage. You saw how excited he was. He was talking about the Dallas Liberty Wings.

[Kate]

The Dallas Liberty wing.

[Harley]

He just, he just misspoke. He just misspoked at the. He misspoke at the end there.

[Kate]

No, it was so cute.

[Harley]

Like a Dallas Liberty. It's not, it's not, it's not a. The word that he said that. It's not a slur, you know, but it's like, it's. It's a borderline one. You know what word? You didn't watch the whole video.

[Kate]

Oh, my God, what did he end with saying? I don't remember.

[Harley]

He was like, oh. He was like, easy, fun. He's like, she's the best female player in the wnba. And I was like, who's the best male player?

[Kate]

Oh, that's right. Oh, that's right.

[Harley]

And then his poor old brain. We can't. We'll talk about it later.

[Kate]

I can't remember what he said. I remember he said something, but. Yeah, I actually thought he was gonna have a different answer, and I'm glad he didn't. I think.

[Harley]

Yeah, no, he's about it. He was going to the game with his sister and stuff. So he, like, asks me about it, and then I have. Remember I told you I have that buddy who's, like, a hater of mine? Not a hater. My hater of the w. Hater. Yeah, yeah. And he was like, hey, but. But also, like. He's like, caitlin Clark's the sickest in the league.

[Kate]

Of course they all hate. It's so where they hate women's sports, but they love Caitlin Clark. Isn't that so interesting?

[Harley]

Yeah. So when I told him, I was like. He was like, yeah, w. No one does watches. W. I'm like, ah, dude, the tickets are selling out. Me and Amir tried to get tickets. It was sold out in Montreal.

[Kate]

Yeah, they had a big.

[Harley]

He was like, amir. And I was like, bro, Amir knows more player names than I do. I just know which ones are.

[David]

Are.

[Harley]

Are. Are.

[David]

Are.

[Harley]

Are. WNBA reality show.

[Kate]

Exactly. Exactly. Thanks. Thanks to me. And we love that. That's good. Yeah. Let's get one of those before we get back to this. Oh, someone asked Kate. Someone asked Kate, what did you think of Dijon's ejection after the so Sophie incident? Well, there's actually footage doing that Same thing to J.C. sheldon two years ago when she was on the Sun. Exact same play. Sophie just got a common foul for it. So that's what I think of that. I think it should have been a common foul anyway.

[Harley]

Was this the white thing?

[David]

It should have been a foul. I didn't see anything.

[Kate]

That's right.

[Harley]

She got all ball.

[Kate]

All ball, all ball.

[Harley]

Was this the white privilege tweet moment? Is that what is. Someone got ejected from a game and then they tweeted white privilege from the locker room.

[Kate]

Oh, I don't know about that.

[David]

Yes, that was.

[Kate]

Yeah, that was. Dijon tweeted white privilege. Yeah, and then she tweeted 8 23, because that's when they're playing them again, which I love. She's Such a.

[Harley]

That's how you do it. That's how you. That's how WWE does it.

[Kate]

All right.

[Harley]

That's how you do it. That's how you do it.

[Kate]

Build. Build the drama, girl.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Build the drama.

[Harley]

They know what they're doing. Yeah, but what was the end of that Sophie video? What was she saying at the end there?

[Kate]

I don't. What? She didn't say anything. She's just dancing.

[Harley]

Oh, okay. Weird.

[Kate]

Was that the video you meant to send?

[Harley]

Is that what you. I. Were you trying to watch that?

[Kate]

No.

[Harley]

Okay, so.

[Kate]

Okay, great. Whatever. Okay, back to the story. Back to the story. Okay. So we find out his kids obviously hate him. They don't want anything to do with his piece of funeral or anything. Like, he doesn't deserve that. For his actions against this girl, for his actions against our stepmom.

[Harley]

He's like a piece of five times over. I wish he just handled himself. It's so.

[Kate]

That's what I'm saying.

[Harley]

Like, it's just. I don't know.

[Kate]

Why must we kill other.

[Harley]

I couldn't imagine what it'd be like being their kids, you know?

[Kate]

So awesome being there.

[Harley]

It's just. Yeah, I, I, I'm at a loss. Words because. Just so up. And, and I said it before in the group chat where I was just like, if you're gonna do it, just do you just do you just do you.

[Kate]

That's the thing I'll never understand.

[Harley]

I don't want to like, do it outside. No one should even clean it or anything.

[Kate]

Just walk into the ocean. Leave everyone alone.

[Harley]

No, seriously, that's, no, actually, that's a, that's it. Like, right.

[Kate]

Put rocks in your pockets.

[Harley]

Shout out to dogs. By the way.

[Kate]

Shout out dogs.

[Harley]

You know when dogs. Because when they're, when they're gonna die, they get up and they're like, ah, I'mma head out. Yeah, walk away and go die to not bother anyone. Wish this piece of did that.

[Kate]

Yeah, you should have just walked into the. Walked into the ocean. All right, so more information comes out from his ex wife, the mother of those kids. And it paints a bigger picture about what a dirt bag he was. Because of course, Sarah was not the first woman that he abused. Apparently Sean repeatedly threatened suicide throughout their marriage.

[Harley]

Oh my God.

[Kate]

They had five kids together. And claims that he often warned her that he would take her out with him.

[Harley]

Oh, my God.

[Kate]

So I imagine he was also forcing her to have sex with him. That's just my own everything.

[Harley]

You're a. No, I, I Agree the same. You're a prisoner.

[Kate]

Yeah, exactly. Because, like, why five kids with this guy? According to Stephanie, who is the wife, she believes his mindset was always, if he couldn't have her, nobody else could. Which seems to be the same thing. And also, and also, she was only 17 years old when they got married. They started dating when she was 15 and he was 20. So he has been a pedophile forever. She said in a small town, it didn't seem weird at the time, but now in context of the other allegations, it definitely has a different shade to it. And I mean, back in the day that wasn't that weird. Right. Because girls were just seen as like more mature. Right. That was the, the kind of arguments to, you know, allow creepy older men to date children. And in a small town, I'm sure that had been happening for generations. Right, but this is why you don't let your kids date older people, because there's a reason they're not dating people their own age. Also this week, Sarah's ex husband. So now we're going to go back to Lyall, the good guy in this situation. So Sarah's ex husband, Lyle, they share two kids. He filed to block Sean's beneficiaries from receiving any payouts. And that would be his kids. That's, that's Sean's kids. He's like, you guys, sorry, you don't get any money from this guy. He said that they. Oh, when he talked about Sarah, he and Sarah. So this is Lyle. Lyle and Sarah divorced about seven years ago. But they had been like friendly in parenting, co parenting, very successfully it seems. And I'll show, actually I can show you Lyle, Zoom this out. So this is Lyle here on the right. Shout out to him for being a good guy. This is Sarah and their kids back in the day. And in Lyle's filing to block the payouts, he said that because Duffy intentionally and feloniously took the life of Sarah, his beneficiaries should be barred from inheriting any of her assets. Now I don't know what kind of assets she had because of like the bankruptcy stuff from a couple years ago. But yeah, apparently there's a stipulation.

[Harley]

So he's just saying, yeah, the kids that were not her kids would not have the money. Right?

[Kate]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[Harley]

Only his stuff, like it's also. Those kids are victims now and now they gotta go deal with a court thing. And I know he's just looking out for his own and probably feels away and doesn't have a connection There and. But like, it's just rough for them. Like his. His kids just gross.

[Kate]

Yeah. That's like seven children that have now been traumatized. Right. Seven kids that have lost two parents. Because it seems like this was, you know, like a. Somewhat of a blended family. And there were kids in the home when this happened. Who knows how many. And then in. Let's see. Okay. And then Lyle said that he remembers Sarah as a mom, a daughter, a sister and a friend. She was always a beautiful person inside and out. She was a wonderful mother and would die for her children. In fact, her trying to protect. Protect children is what ultimately led to her death. And it was a brave thing to come out and publicly say that he was a pedophile because I'm sure he would not have wanted to do that. Clearly he went on the run. He was not going to take responsibility for it. And so she made it known. And unfortunately he was a.

[Harley]

And that wasn't like. That was something that made him do this. The guy said he was going to do it multiple times.

[Kate]

A thousand percent put it.

[Harley]

Putting it out like he was already on the run, already had lied about having a gun. He was gonna come and do it.

[Kate]

Already said he was suicidal.

[Harley]

No part of it that was like this made it, you know. But that was probably some. He said, I am to try and

[Kate]

just make it, oh my God, you ruined my life. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, I'm sure that he of course, tried to make this her fault in, you know, those final days, which is horrible, disgusting. Say so. Then Stephanie Ramsey, who I could not find on the Internet, shout out to her for burying herself in that way. That is Sean's ex wife, the one who met him when she was 15 years old. She's also a hero in this story. She says, we're aware of Lyle's filing. However, I'm focused on our kids at the time. My children don't want anything of Sarah's. Haven't asked for anything of hers and never expected anything. So they're both on the same page, which is great.

[Harley]

You just have to still go through.

[Kate]

Yes, you gotta do it.

[Harley]

You just have to do it. You have to go through the motion of it.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

And exactly.

[Kate]

Yeah, got you. Instead, Ramsay says her kids simply want the personal belongings that belong to their father. They want their dad's things that have sentimental value. And the little left he left them after passing. And apparently most of it, most of his stuff was sold in the past six weeks by Sarah. So she was, according to Stephanie, like selling off all of his, I think, since the allegations dropped. And so they were. They're just trying to like, recoup what potentially might be left. And Lyle here on the right, he also stepped up and covered all the funeral costs for Sarah and said he promised her parents that he would give her the funeral, the services that she deserved, which we love. So we love that for him. Thank you. Thank you, Lyle, for being a good dude in this situation. This is fucking horrifying. And I just wanted to zoom out a little bit and talk a little bit more about domestic violence in this situation. So nearly half of all women who are murdered in the United States are killed by a current or former intimate partner. And more than half of these intimate partner homicides are by firearm. And in the most horribly ironic way, Oklahoma was apparently one of the first states to create an anti red flag law law. Red flag laws keep guns out of the hands of people like Sean Duffy. They've been passed in more than a dozen states across the country. And they allow police or even family members to remove firearms from at risk people who might present a violent threat, either to themselves or others. But back in May 2020, the nation's Oklahoma bragged about being the nation's first anti fr. Anti red flag law. Are having the first one on the books, which is just so weird to brag about because Right in their. In their description of. Clearly shows what the issue could be like. Literally. This is what I just said. Remove firearms from at risk people who may be a. A violent threat to themselves or others. Dom, who was the senator who sponsored the spill, said these types of laws are a serious abuse of constitutional rights. But there has to be a point where my constitutional right to be alive is more important than your constitutional right to be an abuser. And someone with issues who could shoot me with their gun. Right.

[David]

No, guns are more important.

[Kate]

Okay, thank you. That's.

[Harley]

You should just get like, honestly, like psycho psychological re evaluations on a somewhat consistent basis if you have a gun. I wish guns. More guns. Bigger guns.

[David]

Stricter.

[Harley]

A stricter. Yeah. Stricter barrier of maintaining them, not just like renewing a license. If someone is like, it's worth it. If someone has accusations like this or they're going through that, then, you know, having having someone evaluate that. A face to face with that person. Something, you know. You know, people are gonna. People are gonna scam it anyways. Like he. Sean, he lied about having a gun.

[Kate]

Exactly.

[Harley]

So he lied about it.

[Kate]

Exactly.

[Harley]

You know, and people are gonna do that. It's just. You Know, but some, it just feels like not enough is happening ever. Like, and this guy's like, this is constitutional right. It's like, bro, it's a crazy man with a gun. What are you talking about? About like, crazy man with a gun who works with children and you know, people, multiple people have sought protective orders. How's it not take him seriously, Take his gun. Take his, take his gun while you sort it out.

[Kate]

Really what it, that's really what it is. It's almost like, like if, if kids are in a violent, a potentially violent situation and CPS removes them for like temporary custody. Right. Like, figure it out just in case it really is that bad.

[Harley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kate]

Because isn't it better to be safe? Right. Safer than safe instead of sorry. Like. And I, I just can't believe that. Right. In this thing they talk about why these red flag laws are so important and then immediately say, but yeah, that, that. And, and you know, I just think about all the other, the other people that have been in these situations that could have benefited from a red flag law in Oklahoma who are now dead.

[Harley]

Well, it's just confusing when they like pass something where it's like, yeah, if you're a crazy person, you can't have a gun and you're a gun owner and then you also happen to be a police officer and going for psychological evaluation and it's like you, you have a gun as a job. You know what I mean?

[Kate]

Yes. Oh, and the cops, I mean we can. I have a thing about the cops too, because a lot of times police officers, like, I think they did a, they did a survey of police a few years ago and 40% of them admitted in the survey that they had committed some form of domestic violence.

[Harley]

Love the honesty.

[Kate]

And that's just. Yeah, Exactly. That's the 40 that actually admitted it. Certainly not all the people who committed it admit that sort of thing. Right?

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

And so that is like an insane, insanely high ratio for a profession.

[Harley]

It's. It like it in my brain, I'm like, that can't be right. But I've heard that before. I've heard that like it is a known statistic that the likelihood of domestic abuse or domestic violence is higher with that job.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

But yeah, the number is always freaky high. And I like, I just always in my head I'm like, that's really.

[Kate]

It was self reported. Like, it wasn't even just like putting data together of victims. Like, this was a, a survey of actual cops, which is crazy. Let me see what else I Have. Oh, okay. So regarding anti red flag laws, research shows that There is a 23% reduction in rates of intimate partner homicide when individuals convicted of any violent misdemeanor. So not specifically domestic violence.

[Harley]

This is a good stat.

[Kate]

This is a good stat.

[Harley]

Why don't they operate on that though?

[Kate]

Because our country is rotten to the core when it comes to guns. When, when. When people with any violent misdemeanor are prohibited from accessing firearms, which is the case in, in some states, but not many. 23 reduction in deaths of, of partners.

[Harley]

How do you not just like run with that? Like, that's like exactly it. It just. Lives saved instantly.

[Kate]

I know.

[Harley]

What's the problem? Always like, someone's money is getting with somehow somewhere, and then someone's getting paid for it. It's always a thing like that.

[Kate]

The gun manufacturers, they make so much money. They make so much money off of this stuff and then they are just allowed to stop people from doing research like this. Like there isn't a ton of research on firearms and, and the deaths and the, the destruction they cause in this country specifically because it's all blocked. Like the lobbyists get together and they make sure that the Senate blocks that kind of. And so it's, it's. It's insane. And people like Sarah are the ones who suffer. Right. Like she was stuck in her relationship. Clearly he was sought a protective order.

[Harley]

Stable, like sort of protective order. Yeah. On someone who. On someone who had already had someone else. Someone else had sought protective orders. So now it's multiple people.

[Kate]

Yep.

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[Harley]

Over an extended period of time. How's it not just acted on? So crazy.

[Kate]

Especially when she filed one in. In June and it, it stuck. So they knew and they didn't do any. They didn't do enough to protect her after that, clearly, because he was sort of in the wind. But then he eventually shows back up. So, like, why wasn't his gun taken away from him? And then I looked into restraining orders because I was like, how effective are they? Because what I always hear is that a woman gets a restraining order and a guy just walks through it and kills her. Right. So I was like, does this happen as frequently as it sounds? And it says that restraining orders are important, but they aren't perfect. They do protect people. They definitely protect a lot of people.

[David]

I mean, it just gives you the option that if they break the restraining order, you can call the cops and then they'll get arrested, but it doesn't really physically stop them from still coming and harassing you.

[Kate]

Right. And if they kill you, it's over. Right.

[Harley]

If I were a woman and I had a situation like that, I would get a gun. I would get a gun for sure.

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[Harley]

I would learn how to use it. And yeah, if we're doing guns, and that's. That's pathetic. And that is.

[Kate]

But what are you.

[Harley]

No, it's true. I see it every time people say something, their stories, you know, they report it. It gets reported. And then, yeah, the next one is the one they. That's when he finds out that there's a restraining order and then escalates his behavior.

[Kate]

Exactly. You know, Exactly. Yeah. So according to. This is one of the. One of the articles I was able to find one of the studies, restraining orders among victims of intimate partner violence. This. This stat was better than I expected. So only about 11% of the 230 women, 231 women killed by male intimates had been issued a restraining order. About one fifth of the female iph victims who had a restraining order were killed within two days. Oh, wait, no, that's not good. I thought that was a good stat. That is not good. So only 11 of them actually got restraining orders. Because I think a lot of women like me feel like they don't do anything right.

[Harley]

Or you just reporting it as a whole thing in itself.

[Kate]

Yes.

[Harley]

How many, you know, like how many times do you go through with it? And, you know, they're like, that's. It's not enough. Or it's not.

[David]

Yeah.

[Harley]

That we can't do anything about that.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

There's a lot of. When you people forget that, like, especially a job like police officers, I've learned there's an enormous amount of discretion involved in that job. Like an insane amount of discretion. And it seems like up until the body cam era, the discretion could just be whatever which way they wanted.

[Kate]

Yes. And it would just that they controlled the narrative completely.

[Harley]

Right. So now, like, when you go in and you have an issue, a restraining order, you know, it's so sad. But, yeah, you'd have to consider what you're wearing, what your composure is, how you go in there. Because you're going to go to some dude that's going to have. He's going to determine what, you know, he's going to judge this moment. You know what I mean? It's just, just. And I'm only basing this off of the fact that I've heard of so many people who have sought a protective order or got a restraining order and still end up getting killed. Something like that or deeply hurt.

[Kate]

Yeah, no, it happens a lot. And. And I. The. The stuff that I was reading, I think. I think the organizations who are, you know, talking about protecting victims, they don't want people to see restraining orders as ineffective. So a lot of them were saying they aren't perfect, but they do help. And, you know, it can set a boundary that shows that, you know, if they continue their behavior, then they could get arrested, they could get in trouble. But we're also seeing here that this says about one fifth of the female Iph victims, it's intimate partner homicide, who had a restraining order were killed within two days of the order being issued. About one third were killed within a month. So I think it just. The restraining order itself is not the issue. It is. These men are just gonna do it. Restraining order or not, that is just what they are going to do. Nearly half of those with a restraining order had been protected by multiple orders. Victims killed in a shared residence had lower odds of having a restraining order. That makes sense. And that is. Was the case with Sarah Gilson, at least in 2021. Because they were living together.

[Harley]

Yeah. And you're like. It's. People be like, you got to get out of there. They warned her, but she, like, the kids have to go to school tomorrow.

[Kate]

Right, Exactly.

[Harley]

You can't just, like, get everyone out and then go to a hotel and the money doesn't. Like, there's no way to do it without, you know, how could you possibly just move life out of. Away from this person? You can. You guys are tied up together.

[Kate]

Right? There's.

[Harley]

There's got to be something that can be done in such a situation. But I honestly don't have the solution.

[Kate]

I don't.

[Harley]

I do understand how someone like her. Her hands are tied. So then maybe you try and appease this person. Walk on eggshells around them.

[Kate]

Yeah, exactly. Like, they count on that. And it was interesting. They said, like, rural versus urban. Like, women in rural settings are less likely to have a restraining order in rural. Is that what it says? Victims from rural counties?

[Harley]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Harley]

I feel like that would make sense because, like, everyone knows each other, Right. You kind of know each other around town a lot more. I feel like it's a. I don't know. I. I just. I'm basing it off shows, movies and stories like. Yeah, small town. Like sheriff, you're. What? It's his nephew.

[Kate]

Exactly.

[Harley]

Here talking about from his neck.

[Kate]

You don't want everyone to know his business and all that. And this says most female victims did not have a restraining order when they were killed. So does that mean that if more had restraining orders that they would be more effective? Or does it just. If someone's that psychotic and, and abusive, they're just going to do it? It's hard to know. And it even says here like, that we need more research to understand like, what exactly can protect women and other victims at this point. But yeah, only 20% of survivors, according to this. This was very helpful. And this is domesticshelters.org which actually I think is a Canadian site. But this, this source, our restraining order is really the best option. It said that only 20% of. Of people get restraining orders. Like 20% of the victims had restraining orders. So there's, there's 80% of people experiencing domestic abuse. And it's completely legal. Right. Because there, there's no oversight at all. It's just what's happening in your home and nobody knows what's going on. And also another, another reason that protective orders don't seem to be that helpful is that it says, where's my notes? There it is. In a survey, when survivors were asked what happened when you obtained an order of protection, over half of the respondents said the protection order was violated. They reported it and nothing happened to the abuser. And so like, what are we doing?

[Harley]

Did we watch it? Was it on this show? Or was I like on my couch sleeping, watching another. But it was a guy. Someone had made an accusation about the guy. And then he went to the cop and the cop was like, h. You're, you're, you're cool, dude. No, I know. She's crazy. She's. Yeah, you seem like a normal guy. And the cop was just very. It was a much older cop. The cop looked like he was in his 70s and he kind of just clear. Okay. He like cleared. It was some show. They're so stupid.

[Kate]

Their show sucks. But he wasn't 911. Right.

[Harley]

It may have just been a body paw patrol for boomers.

[Kate]

Yeah, exactly. It wasn't that, right?

[Harley]

No, no, it was like a real case. Yeah. And the guy was just like, ah. Yeah. She seemed like she was crazy. And he was like, right, dude. And it was just like, like something like that. Yeah, you can make a complain. The guy's like, nah, he seemed like a cool dude. Really didn't try. He didn't try and didn't try and sexually assault me. And I was in the room alone with him for hours.

[Kate]

Yeah, I mean, she's totally of it. Like, that's, that's that's the thing. Like, let's not go on our gut instincts, brothers. Like, if there's a paper trail, at least can we please investigate it? One of the people who ran the survey said no one enforces the restraining orders. Police won't even, won't even do anything. If you show them the paper, they say the abuser has to physically hit you again before they will enforce it. Which is insane to me because they always say something has to happen before you get a restraining order. So then you're sitting around waiting for something horrible to happen to you so you can prove that something horrible has been happening to you. And then you have a restraining order and the cops say, oh well, he didn't hit you hard enough for us to actually arrest him. Like, they're so concerned about not putting these abusers in jail that they're just letting their partners be killed. Another survivor told the survey, I've had one, but didn't feel it would protect me from him. He would use his friends to spy on me and tell him, cool friends. What cool guys. Yeah. And so it just seems like women don't trust law enforcement when it comes to stopping the abuse. And so you kind of just feel isolated, not just within your home, but also within like the criminal justice system. And there, I'm not going to leave you on just like this really sad, desperate note. There are ways to protect people or sort of like complement a, a restraining order. And so this, this site, domesticshelters.org said working with an advocate is key as they can help survivors safely plan and connect them with other resources in the community, such as safe housing and legal help. Unfortunately, taking steps to hide from an abuser may be a survivor's best bet at staying safe if the abuser is not behind bars. And like that's what you're saying. Like there's school in the morning, right? Like what, what do you do with.

[Harley]

You have a whole life. You have a whole life. You know, like money. This person might be controlling the money. They might be controlling the money.

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[Harley]

You know, he can show up at

[Kate]

the kids school at any time. Like it's, it's so complicated. And they count on that. They count on that, like enmeshment of all of your stuff. So it makes it too difficult for you to actually make a move. But apparently domestic violence advocates are very helpful when it comes to that stuff. Survivors can hide their new location through address confidentiality programs. They can also consider changing their Social Security number to prevent financial abuse. Yeah, this is all stuff that you need a professional, an expert to help you with. And advocates say that while protection orders aren't perfect, in many cases they can send a clear message to abusers that there will be consequences for their actions. And so, yeah, I mean, I think we gotta get to the point where we're taking guns out of these people's hands. It clearly would not have saved Sarah Gilson's life, which is unfortunate because he lied about his gun being stolen.

[Harley]

And then they're always good. There's, people are always going to find a way.

[Kate]

Yeah, but that's no reason to just not do it.

[Harley]

For sure, for sure. But also like he, he doesn't need a gun. There's like, you know, it's the, it's the thing, it's the situation. Like even I, I, I like, I, I played sports my whole life and you know, I love men. I think men are awesome.

[Kate]

Great.

[Harley]

They're the best, especially the white ones. Maybe the Asians. I'll decide later. That's not important.

[Kate]

Okay, we'll do a tier list later.

[Harley]

I had, I'm looking at you. You bumped the whole average up big time, David.

[Kate]

That's right, David.

[Harley]

Yeah. But the thing is like, I, I, maybe it's crazy to say and I don't, I don't know, I can't. If I had a daughter and she was in soccer, gymnastics, basketball, and the coach is a guy. I'm not into it. No, I'm not into this. Just like I'm not, I'm not, I'm not into it. There's, you know what I mean? And, and I've, I've played sports my whole life and I know it's the same. Yeah, I know it could be the same with a son, but, but is, it is much higher.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

And I know, who knows, there could be some reporting, a reporting mismatch there as well. Who knows? But I'm just saying, like, I have a hard time with that and you know, I never had that thought before.

[Kate]

I know.

[Harley]

And I know the news likes to bombard us with one thing. And so it has changed my mind to an extent. But I know there are some people out there have life changing coaches. A man coach. Exactly. And some people have a life changing experience with a coach. And it's, I've had good experiences with good coaches. All of them were men. And you know, like, so I, it's rough, but I'm just like, like I'm at a loss. So I'm like, I don't even know what to do. So I'm just like, I shrugs me the wrong way.

[Kate]

Well, it's tough because I don't like it. Like, I think, like, police policing the wrong people are drawn to the job. Right. Because they see vulnerable people that they can have control over. And like, that's why these like. Like the guy at Penn State, what's his name? Sandusky, Right?

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

He, like, started a whole channel.

[Harley]

Ashton Kutcher. He was on Twitter. He was like, not Sandusky. He's my boy or something. No, and it was like one of his last tweets ever. He got destroyed for it. Got destroyed for it and like, left Twitter and never came back, I don't think. But then he was like one of the first celebs I followed. Yeah. Then they posted to back their boy, Danny Masterson.

[Kate]

Danny Masterson, Yeah.

[Harley]

They were alive.

[David]

And he was like, at every P. Diddy party as well.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Caleb Waver]

Was.

[Kate]

Oh, God, of course. Yuck. Yeah. So I think, like, the wrong people are drawn to jobs where there are vulnerable people at. At stake. Just trying to have a good time. Right. So I don't know what we do. I don't know what we do, but I. Yeah, it would be. I mean, I'm gonna be looking carefully at the. The coaches on my. Of my niece and nephew's teams, like, because they're going to be in sports their whole lives, I'm sure. Alien percent, you know, and like, right now their dad is helping coach, but, like, what happens when they get into school? Like, no travel ball. I'll tell you that right now. We're not doing hotels. That clearly is. Is something that I think creepos are attracted to.

[David]

I feel like that whole thing is insane too. Anyway, me too. I. I so much know a couple people whose kids are in it, and I'm like, yeah, how do you afford this? Like, you're just. What is traveling travel ball?

[Harley]

It's called travel ball.

[Kate]

Well, it's like you're. It's a travel team outside of like, your school team. So it's like, usually more elite players.

[Harley]

I know, but you go to like, other states and stuff or do like

[Kate]

insane tournaments every single weekend. It's big. I mean, I guess it's big everywhere, but especially, like, down south. There's a lot of like, big softball, baseball stuff, but every sport has it now. And it's such a cash cow. And then if you don't do that, then you're kind of on your back foot trying to get scholarships and things like that because you're not playing as much as these other kids. And then it's just. I don't know, it feels so stressful. And now they're. Now that I'm thinking of it, there's this layer of, who are these coaches that have their cell phone numbers and are texting them to come to their hotel room? But then, like, do you go with your kids to everything? Do you have to coach?

[Harley]

All right, girls, come in, girls, bring it in. Take a knee. All right, we got game tomorrow, so everyone check your Snapchats for messages from me.

[Kate]

Exactly. Like, what are we doing?

[Harley]

The fuck's going on?

[Kate]

Yeah, I'll give you guys the lineup for tomorrow on. On Snap. Just discuss disgusting shit. And it's. It's scary. And I think, speaking of Pervert park and other things, like, the number. The sheer number of people who are found to be guilty of this stuff is scary. Like, what. What do we do about that? How do we stop whatever cycle is happening from creating these people? Like, I. I don't know. I don't know what to do. So I wanted to end with this. I'm not saying that anyone has to give, but I think it's just good news that Sarah's kids. There is a fundraiser started for them via. Well, Lyle is part of it, and they've raised almost $35,000 for the kids. Not that that is going to bring back their mom, but it might help.

[Harley]

So he had to do the. The court jumping through hoops to make sure that his kids, her kids, get all of it. And also here, for the other kids, let's raise some money for them. Okay. And. And his. Their.

[Kate]

This is his kid still. This is his kids. I don't.

[Harley]

Oh, I thought it was the other. Oh, it was for the other kids. Oh, yeah. Because they have their whole life now.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

With no mom, no dad.

[Kate]

It's so sad. Well, yeah, well, they have their dad, so.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Yeah, these are.

[David]

He has.

[Harley]

He has a whole other family right now also.

[Kate]

Yes.

[Harley]

So I wonder what's going to happen to the kids. Do they. Are they going to go live with him or what's going.

[Kate]

Probably.

[Harley]

That's so crazy.

[Caleb Waver]

I know.

[Kate]

But I'm just glad this, like, small community was able to. To raise some money for these poor kids. It's so sad. Like, why. What was the need for this? And the GoFundMe says Sarah was an incredible mom. Her children were the center of her world, and everything she did was for them. She loved them fiercely, worked hard to provide for them, and dreamed of giving them the best life Possible. So, yeah, they have. The whole family has such a long road ahead. I mean, just think of all the people that this guy has killed. Like, all the. All the lives. Not just like, physically, but metaphorically. Like, these kids lives will never be the same. So many people's lives will never be the same, all because of this guy being disgusting and having to do what he did. So you. And I wish that you weren't such an abusive coward and that you would get to face. Face these people in. In court and actually go to prison for what you did. But unfortunately, there will be no justice in that sense. Very, very sad. Oh, God. Let's do some super chats to break things up, and then we'll just end on a little. On a little palate cleanser.

[David]

Hello, everyone. Thanks for being here with us on Tuesdays. Let's see. Right off in the beginning, Chell's buck sent a milestone and said, I know this is all David's fault. He won't read membership donations. Makes them late. What are we going to do with David? Well, here we are, and I read your milestone, and I wasn't the reason we're late.

[Harley]

What are you gonna do?

[David]

So what now are we gonna do next month to respond again?

[Kate]

Congratulations on being a man. Be me for another month. Yes. Rest in peace, Sarah. Oh, God.

[Harley]

Absolutely. It's terrible. I feel for her family, even the community. There's like, it's. It's such a small comparison to what her kids are going to go through, but there's an element of, like, a community, like, you know, neighbors like you. Every time you drive by the house, something like, you know, like. And you're like. You just think, oh, it's been happening Right, right, right there. Yeah. You just think back, I could have helped or done something. This guy, this guy awful. Him to hell.

[Kate]

Oh, him to hell. I wish I believed in an afterlife and that he was being punished. Maybe I'll pretend just for him. Yeah, I can do that.

[Harley]

You like that?

[Kate]

Yeah, I like that. He's roasting on a spot. Spit like a.

[Harley]

You can go to church and pray. You can go to church and pray that he's in hell.

[Kate]

Okay, I'll do that.

[Harley]

Like, hey, guys, me again. I know it's been like 20 years, but just. I'll be quick. I hope this motherfucker's burning.

[Kate]

Yeah, if he's not.

[Harley]

And if he's not. That's on. That's on y'.

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[Harley]

That's on y'.

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[Kate]

He did plenty. He did plenty.

[Harley]

No, seriously, I I. I just. Yeah. Do you? Do you, dude, yeah.

[Kate]

Just do you hell.

[David]

Shout out Smiling Sushi for sending five podcast gift memberships.

[Kate]

Thank you, Smiling Sushi. We love that.

[David]

Too thick to quit said. All H3 hosts do is be late and lie.

[Venmo Advertiser]

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[Kate]

Wow, wow, wow. Not wrong today. Not wrong today I will. But that's okay.

[Harley]

I have nothing to say on the matter.

[Kate]

We have nothing to say.

[David]

If you speak your name, big trouble.

[Kate]

Exactly.

[David]

Kelrazer said. Kate, I know you said you weren't going to cover the Lindsay Clancy case, but evidence is pointing to her husband tried to un alive her and the kids, but she lived. Please, Kate, I only trust your true crime breakdowns.

[Kate]

Oh my God. I. I will say I saw that. And that is an interesting twist because I remember when it happened. If anyone isn't familiar, it's a story in Mass, Massachusetts, I believe, or New Hampshire, somewhere nearby, where a woman apparently went into postpartum psychosis, took the lives of her children and tried to also take her own life. But now in court, her defense team is poking holes in that and pointing to her husband, as David said, having something to do with it. I have not been following it closely, so I don't know how reasonable that stuff is, but if it's enough to get her, not enough to save her from a conviction, I'm kind of okay with it because I don't even think she should be on trial. Like, if this was a postpartum psychosis thing, she should not be on fucking trial. She should be in a hospital. Like, that's. That's just me though. That's just me. I don't. I do not see why she's having to go through this whole trial, but maybe there's something else. I don't know. Anyway, maybe I do want to look into it, but I. I don't want to talk about dead children on this show, so we probably will not cover it.

[David]

Okay, well, shout out Ms. LA RAW who said first super chat in forever. I love what you all are doing with the show. Kate, I feel so seen as a lesbian. Harley, you're hilarious. David, you're crushing production. You all make my day. Thank you so much.

[Kate]

A thank you so much. That's really kind.

[David]

Jorge Perla said. Hi guys. Today is my wife Ashley's birthday. We both love watching you so much. Would to love to give her a bday shout out. Especially from Harley, who makes her laugh more than anyone, including me. I've made peace with this.

[Kate]

That's tough.

[Harley]

She said she wanted a BJ Shout out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out. Shout out. In them lips. No. Happy birthday from everyone at After Dark.

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

And from your husband Jorge. Shout out. To Liss May, who sent five podcast gift memberships. Thank you.

[Caleb Waver]

Hey. Thank you.

[Harley]

Shout out. Shout out. Shout out.

[David]

And they also donated $20 and said, Today's my 28th birthday and all I want is a happy birthday, Alyssa from my favorite gay, Jewish David podcast. Please. I don't have any friends. Xoxo. I love you guys.

[Harley]

Happy birthday, Alyssa.

[Kate]

Hang on one second. It's okay if her husband is wrongfully convicted, if that gets her off the trial. Kate just said that.

[Harley]

No, you wouldn't say wrongfully convicted.

[Kate]

He would not get convicted. He is not the one on trial. The point of this is that if they can show reasonable doubt, then she will get off. This has nothing to do with him.

[Harley]

I don't know anything about the story of the details, but I do know that you did not say thank you. That's all I know really, about, like, a different.

[Kate]

Different frequency where I am just misinterpreted.

[Harley]

Why are you yelling at me, dude? I was on your side. Why are you yelling at me, kid? I was on your side.

[Kate]

It's just crazy.

[Harley]

Is she being mean to us again, David?

[Kate]

The words that come out of my mouth sound very different to different people. It's very interesting,

[Harley]

by the way, when you guys aren't here, she hits us.

[David]

She digitally hits us.

[Kate]

Poor Harley. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[David]

But yeah. I mean, anyone who knows how an actual court system works and doesn't just watch, like, dramas about it. You can't just magically then make someone else guilty who isn't even involved in the trial.

[Kate]

Arrest him right now.

[Harley]

Yes, I can and I will.

[Kate]

It's like how in, like, rom coms, they'll be like, oh, wait, we don't want to get married anymore. Let's make it these people's wedding. Like, that's not how it works.

[David]

Right? Like, do you remember the. The case that we covered where the. The cop died and they all tried to pin it on his girlfriend and then.

[Harley]

Yeah, she didn't get convicted.

[David]

They didn't magically then convict all the other cops that were involved in it.

[Kate]

Right? It's just doubt. It's just doubt. That's all it is.

[David]

Anyway, Rosie Hay says, hey, head fam. I got my first jury summons for next month, and I'm actually looking forward to it. H3. Oh, that. That's a. That's an emoji. Do you guys have any experience with jury Duty. Love you.

[Kate]

I wish.

[David]

Convict anyone?

[Harley]

We have a juror David was just talking about.

[Kate]

Remember the gay juror?

[Harley]

Yeah, he had a nice smile.

[Kate]

The rural juror.

[Harley]

Yeah, we had one. We got a juror.

[Kate]

We had a juice.

[Harley]

We got two jurors.

[Kate]

Firmly. Firmly.

[Harley]

Shout out. Firmly.

[Kate]

Shout out.

[David]

Shout out firmly. And shout out. Butchie Wean. Who's wanted to shout out dogs and cats.

[Kate]

Shout out.

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[Harley]

Good, good, good.

[David]

I have some palate cleansers, and two of them are dog involved.

[Kate]

Oh, yay. We love that. Yeah, we love that. Okay. Is that. Is that it?

[David]

I mean, no, but we can. We can.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[David]

Let's do the palate cleansers and then do a few more.

[Kate]

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[Kate]

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[Kate]

Na, let's do. Let's cleanse pallets. We had a return of the braid fade guy. This is one thing that I wanted to show. If you guys remember one of our very first episodes, we almost. Well, we thought that we were just going to get fired because we played a weird old man. What white man who had gone white man?

[Harley]

Was it the Dominican Republic white man?

[Kate]

He had gone to the Dominican Republic and gotten cornrows. And he.

[David]

An old school braid fade.

[Kate]

An old school braid fade, if you will. And so he, at some point in there, said the N word very loud with a. With an A, not a hard R. But still, as a white guy. That's not a word for us. As for us white guys. And so we all laughed and we were panicking, and it was. It was horrible. But this guy came up on my feed, and now I know why. It's because Harley follows him and comments on every single reel. But this guy is Miami promoter Nate, who he's with, I believe. That's right. And he showed up again. And at first I thought he was Rolo Tony, but then I was corrected by my friends. So here. Here is the state of Miami Influencer dudes on the street today. Don't come to the club.

[Harley]

I don't want ugly drugs.

[Kate]

He said if you're ugly, don't come to the club.

[Harley]

No, I believe he said, don't come to the club. I don't want ugly girls.

[Kate]

I have a good personality in office, working for me. I don't want you on a boat. I don't want you in a club.

[Venmo Advertiser]

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[Kate]

And I definitely don't want you in bed. Look at your hair. Who are you talking to?

[Harley]

This is my Tony Hawk American Wasteland custom character that I built. He looked like that and I made his face Maddale just because I was being crazy like that.

[David]

Because why not?

[Kate]

Oh my God. Did you summon him from. From the depths.

[Harley]

Oh, hey, you know Jack Doherty? This is Jack, 40 plus plus 20 years old.

[Kate]

Wait, let me see if it's here. Why isn't it here, Harley?

[Harley]

It is. It is there. There's. There's someone there. It's some somewhere there.

[Kate]

Harley wrote it's Jack40 on this guy's thing and I thought that was so funny. He's like, yeah, thanks. I write that on all of his posts.

[Harley]

Is that his page? Is it his page there? We're sticking to him, yo.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah.

[Harley]

Good picture. What's his most.

[David]

Same picture.

[Kate]

Okay, these are pinned. Oh yeah. Guys, why are we cold scrolling on him again?

[Harley]

Not, not, not this one. Not this one.

[Kate]

I see what he's doing. He's flexing on us.

[Harley]

Don't let him flex on us. Why are we so happy? That's not my dad. So happy.

[David]

My bad time just pulling up the button.

[Kate]

I. I mean, you do look like you're climbing back from the dead. From the dead. Get there. This is Tuesday. This is so embarrassing. So yeah. Oh, here he is. It's the same day.

[Harley]

Stock is like seeing how your woman moves.

[Kate]

Stock is like seeing how your woman moves.

[Caleb Waver]

What?

[Kate]

How does this man have money? Can someone explain to me how this man has money?

[Harley]

Is real

[Kate]

massad for sure. What is that hair?

[Harley]

I know a massage psy up when I see one.

[David]

Also hair between two posts. He cut it all off.

[Kate]

Yeah. What the.

[Harley]

And also those pants have shown up too many times already.

[Kate]

Yeah, this is like the same day, right?

[David]

They're like skin tight.

[Harley]

What's that? Marketing mood 1 6K.

[Kate]

This one marketing model.

[Harley]

Right on my comments there. Dude, where are my comments, bro? I write it all the time. I do.

[Kate]

Oh, that's got P I M P behind it. Nice. So you're just saying you're pimping this girl out a model for my business.

[Harley]

Oh, yeah, this. Oh, yeah, it is on this one. I commented on this one.

[Kate]

Well, where is it? Harley, we're friends. Why isn't it showing up? Or are you lying? Don't hate me. Join me.

[Harley]

I swear. Oh, my God.

[Kate]

What a. What are you doing in your drawers?

[Harley]

Why is he. Why is he doing that? Stop moving like that, bro.

[David]

Stop making that.

[Harley]

Don't hold us like that. Don't hold us like that.

[Kate]

I'm pissing at the. The Swim up bar right now. What are you doing?

[Harley]

So

[Kate]

the. Did you just call me he? Someone said he doesn't. He's in crippling debt. I hope that's true. Jackie O. Bob. Yeah. What is this hair? Dude, look at all your sunspots. You're a thousand years old.

[Harley]

Yeah, dude, we're gonna. We're gonna beat you up.

[Kate]

Yeah, join me. Don't hate on me.

[Harley]

Did he just say, join me, bro? Yeah, go enjoy yourself, dude. You don't need us there.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

What are you doing?

[David]

His tax and IRS strategies.

[Kate]

Oh, absolutely.

[Harley]

Fixing IRS problems.

[Kate]

God damn it. Oh, no one cares. What is his job? Oh, God, I'm sorry. You're loaded and you're at Planet Fitness. What's going on? Oh, God.

[David]

Yeah, you played yourself there. You cooked yourself. Gotta be an equinox if you're gonna have this.

[Harley]

Yeah, you gotta be an equinox. Dude, you're so stupid.

[Kate]

You're not an equinox or, like a private sesh. Honky tonk women. Dude, shut up.

[David]

Planet Fitness in Florida has got to be crazy.

[Kate]

I know. Yeah. Look at him just being creepy in the pool.

[Harley]

Always just elsewhere, pissing.

[Kate]

Yeah, right. He's always pissing.

[Harley]

He's always, like, literally doing, like, little kicky feet in the water there.

[Kate]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

He's always in, like, the. Whatever the cuck position is in a pool.

[Kate]

That's where he is here in four feet, it's like. So what's your dad.

[David]

What are you doing?

[Harley]

Get this knob out of my face. I do have a wide facial, so we have a lot of.

[Kate]

Look at the pool stance.

[David]

It's like that Willem Dafoe picture.

[Kate]

Oh, my God.

[David]

But underwater.

[Kate]

Dude, what are you doing?

[Harley]

Look what he's doing in the water. My nephew, he's in the pool talking. Watch my handstand.

[David]

Watch me. Want to play Marco Polo? Want to play colors?

[Kate]

Nobody here wants to talk about taxes with you and your Mary Lou Bob. Like, what are you doing? Shut up.

[David]

I miss the old school braid fade.

[Kate]

I know. I miss it too. All right, and then we have three puppies or two puppies?

[David]

Two puppies. And then a. An AI Video.

[Kate]

Okay, Harley, this is the highest. About the puppies or about the AI?

[David]

Both, both, Both.

[Kate]

Both of them.

[David]

Highest jumping golden retriever in Ontario.

[Harley]

Is this Ontario, Canada, or Ontario, California?

[David]

I don't know.

[Caleb Waver]

Look.

[David]

Look at the back for context clues. What do you think, my super dogs?

[Kate]

Let's see if this dog's Canadian. This is Harley, the highest jumping golden retriever in Ontario, here to show you what he can do. Let's make some noise. Noise for Sir Chunks a lot. Sir Chunks a lot.

[Venmo Advertiser]

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[Kate]

Is this a joke?

[Harley]

I don't think it was meant to be. Yeah, they're doing a bit. They must know. They must know. He never had a chance.

[Kate]

Dog was not getting up. There's no. I love that.

[Harley]

Do you know that? You ever see that dog, Bower? He's a golden retriever. You might see it next time you see a gold retriever online. He's eating, like, crazy fast, like a nutcase. And his name's Bow right now because his owner's always yelling at him. It's like, chill. And like, he got home once, and it was like, there was all this food, dog food on the floor, and he had, like, each dog sitting in front of. He was like, did you do this? And, like, one of his dogs, like, literally, like. And he's like, another dog. Did you do this? And every dog is normal. And then he's like, bauer, did you do this? And it cuts to Bauer, and Bauer's like, on the ground, like,

[Caleb Waver]

going.

[Harley]

Going crazy. Like, I've never seen a dog. Like, he's gonna. He's gonna hurt himself like, this one day.

[Kate]

If next time you get a Bauer video, send it to me about a video. All right? Rage baiting my fat dog. Oh, my God, this is mean already. All right, let's go. Oh, he limping. God, beagles are so microphone tape. Yeah, we didn't need it. Honestly, we didn't need it. Oh, give it to him. Oh, miss it. Miss it. Oh, you're gonna get your hand bit. Oh, yeah.

[Harley]

He's so pissed.

[Kate]

He's so mad.

[Caleb Waver]

He's just.

[Kate]

Stop being a dick. Oh, give it to him.

[Harley]

He keeps getting got by it also.

[Kate]

Yeah. Oh, that's mean. The fake throw is. Yeah, that's what he's really. He's embarrassed. God damn it. He got me again. Oh, maybe he doesn't have teeth.

[Harley]

He is old.

[Kate]

Give it to him. What is it? And Then missed it. Good job, buddy.

[David]

Okay. No. Go for it.

[Harley]

No.

[Kate]

What?

[David]

I don't want to go out.

[Harley]

David has something to say.

[Kate]

Where'd you put it?

[David]

You're the host, David.

[Harley]

I'm gonna say no. But it's your show.

[David]

No, but it's yours. Please.

[Harley]

It's not my show.

[Kate]

Please.

[Harley]

Okay, Kate, you go.

[Kate]

Well, I have another video from Harley.

[David]

She picked Harley over me.

[Kate]

Well, what am I supposed to do? What did you have? Nothing, I'm just talking to dog videos.

[David]

I was just gonna say, this reminds me of when you give dogs, like, sparkling water and they don't realize and they, like, go to drink, and then

[Kate]

they're like, I've never seen that.

[David]

Oh, it's really funny.

[Kate]

Well, that's interesting. I gotta see that.

[David]

I have seen this video, and it's incredible.

[Kate]

Okay.

[Harley]

He's a good dog. This dog is a good one.

[Kate]

This is Bauer. Oh, I probably need to.

[Harley]

No, you can have volume. You can have volume.

[David]

Okay.

[Kate]

Oh, did you do this? He said no. Are you responsible for that? Papa's love their shredded cheese.

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Crazy.

[Harley]

He's like, that's crazy. Who did that?

[Kate]

No. I'm saying no. I would never. Are you sure? What a good he? Cute. Oh, my God.

[Caleb Waver]

Another one.

[Kate]

Did you do this? Is it all huskies?

[Harley]

Not our boy, though.

[Kate]

Is that you? Him say no.

[Harley]

Oh,

[Kate]

I want to put him in a bag of ice. Are you sure it wasn't you? He what a good. Those are good dogs. That is not what my dogs like.

[Harley]

My dogs instantly start attacking each other. They're like, I need all of this. You die now.

[Kate]

It's time for you to die.

[Harley]

Are you sure it wasn't you?

[Kate]

I think pet palette cleansers are the best after true crime. Let's make that a rule. We need to clean it up. Golden retrievers are so beautiful. Oh, my God. How many dogs. Oh, did you do that? Was that you?

[Harley]

Goose is still, like, just loves. People are new. So he's like, did you do that, Ghost?

[David]

Would you like to tell me who did that?

[Harley]

This is a different one, I think, actually, that I saw, but it'll be the same result.

[Kate]

Here we go. Was this you?

[Harley]

The one I saw was a. It was a different food, and he was much more aggressive. Impressive about it.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah.

[Harley]

You can, like, hear his running around the corner, like, sliding on the ground, like, drifted around the corner. Initial D and, like, that's a follow.

[Kate]

Are you responsible for this mess?

[Harley]

And if you go to the account, there's a ton of power.

[David]

Good dog.

[Kate]

Oh, my God. He's covered.

[Harley]

Was it you?

[Kate]

Look at his tail still going. No. Oh, my God.

[David]

All right, this one, the last one I sent is not dog related, but it's still funny.

[Kate]

Okay, wait. I want to see him attack this guy. Watch this. Help.

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[Kate]

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[Harley]

That dog's too smart. He's like, why are you wearing, like,

[Kate]

what are you doing?

[Harley]

He's like, why are you wearing that? He's like, my dogs would freak out as, you know, spirit hoods. The furry ones with, like, hats. Like, the, like, hipster weirdo was worn, like, 2010. I put one of those on and, like, crawl on all fours. My dogs do not see me as who I am.

[Kate]

Oh, my God.

[Harley]

They're literally like, oh, it's the biggest dog I've ever seen. Oh, they, like, get scared and I just like, I want a video. Yeah, I'll do it. I'll do it.

[Kate]

I love that.

[David]

We need that for tomorrow.

[Kate]

We need it.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Kate]

You guys need to figure out what's going on tomorrow because I am not here tomorrow. So you guys need to figure out what. What you're gonna do for tomorrow.

[Harley]

David's gone.

[Kate]

You gotta help me.

[Harley]

Just like you tune in to see other shows doing. Playing Call of Duty.

[Kate]

Listen, Help me.

[David]

I'm done down here.

[Harley]

Imagine.

[David]

That'd be crazy. That'd be crazy if we did that. That'd be so crazy if we did that.

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[David]

That would be crazy, right? We just play Call of Duty for two hours.

[Kate]

No, you gotta play Everest. So Ethan actually lets you Suddenly. We love EverQuest here. Nope. They are. They are too. Oh, I like that pool. No.

[Caleb Waver]

Oh.

[Harley]

Maverick.

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Help.

[Kate]

M. Help. Help.

[Harley]

This guy's got too many dogs. I know. Get to Bow.

[David]

I love. I love the dog.

[Harley]

You can't fast forward this.

[Kate]

Help me.

[Venmo Advertiser]

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[Kate]

Help.

[Caleb Waver]

Help.

[Kate]

No, he just wants to play.

[Harley]

He's just playing. He doesn't even see the alien thing.

[Kate]

Yeah, no, he just sees you. Oh, help me, Goose. Help.

[Venmo Advertiser]

Who's Goose?

[Kate]

Got me the baby. Look how leggy he is.

[Caleb Waver]

So cute.

[Kate]

He's like. This is a giant chew toy.

[David]

I just want to see him get up by Bauer.

[Caleb Waver]

I know.

[Kate]

I want G. Bower to shred him.

[David]

It better be.

[Venmo Advertiser]

Thank God.

[Kate]

Immediately, immediately.

[Harley]

D When I see dogs like this, by the way, I. I get them so hyped up.

[Kate]

Look, he's already breaking it. See? Bow might steal all your food, but he's save you. He's going to save you.

[Harley]

So he's going to eat. He's going to that out. I know these dogs, they eat like socks. They'll eat a whole sock and it out.

[Caleb Waver]

Yeah.

[Kate]

This is Chief.

[David]

This is Chief right here.

[Kate]

Some dogs are just special.

[Harley]

The most beautiful dog in the world.

[Kate]

So beautiful and so sweet.

[Harley]

And so you have to choke them out sometimes.

[Kate]

So cute. I think I have a picture, a video of you not choking him out, but you're playing them like the bongos.

[David]

Oh, I love slapping a. I love slapping a dog belly.

[Kate]

Right?

[Harley]

He's a good slappable dog belly.

[Caleb Waver]

He is.

[Kate]

Yeah, he loves it. All right. So this is Saikuno.

[David]

Yeah.

[Kate]

AI helps me negotiate the price of corn. Okay, corn seller that sells corn and I'm really shy, so could you please negotiate for me? I'm trying to buy one for only a dollar.

[David]

The video is frozen.

[Harley]

I'll definitely try.

[Kate]

It's frozen.

[David]

It was like.

[Harley]

What? It was working for me.

[Kate]

Oh, weird.

[David]

Now it's working.

[Kate]

Oh, but okay, corn and I'm really shy, so could you please negotiate for me? I'm trying to buy one for only a dollar.

[Harley]

I'll definitely try my best.

[Kate]

Oh God.

[Harley]

Let me talk to them.

[Kate]

Hey, it's me, the corn seller.

[Venmo Advertiser]

Hey.

[Harley]

So I was looking to buy one of your delicious corns.

[Kate]

Corns.

[David]

How much do you sell one for corns?

[Kate]

Well, today you can buy one for only $10,000.

[Venmo Advertiser]

Oh. Oh my.

[Harley]

That is quite a bit for corn. I was looking to buy one for a dollar.

[Kate]

Oh my.

[Harley]

What is that?

[Caleb Waver]

$.

[Kate]

Okay, well, how about this?

[David]

Looks like Google.

[Kate]

I could sell you one for only 7, 500.

[Caleb Waver]

Good.

[Venmo Advertiser]

Goodness.

[Kate]

Why did it do that? What did they.

[Harley]

How did they do that? What did they run it? That's so crazy.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

Must be some good ass corn.

[Kate]

Pull that. Damage good ass corn and pull that. They're also plant based, but I'm feeling generous. They're plant based. I can give you one today for $5,000.

[Harley]

I really appreciate you for being flexible, but unfortunately it's still way out of my budget. Surely you can go lower than that.

[Kate]

All right, how about this? Final offer. Final offer. $500.

[Harley]

Amazing. Thank you so much for that. I will gladly buy one of your corns for a measly $500.

[Kate]

Excellent, bro.

[David]

Don't know corn prices.

[Kate]

Thank you for your business. I will hand you back to your friend. I will buy your.

[Harley]

All right.

[Kate]

Hey, it's me again. How'd it go?

[Harley]

Good news. I was able to get you the coins. Corn for just $500. What a.

[Kate]

So you're telling Me? You bought a singular. You bought acorn for five. Acorn is so funny.

[Harley]

They said they're plant based.

[Kate]

Hey, I want this.

[Caleb Waver]

That is so good.

[Harley]

What an idiot. What a loser. Idiot.

[Kate]

Those were good palate cleansers.

[Harley]

Go cure cancer, Dumbass. Get off the phone.

[Kate]

Go cure cancer.

[David]

Stop.

[Harley]

Stop writing music and stop making my thumbnails. Go, go, go. Go cure something, dude.

[David]

Yeah. Stop harassing corn sellers.

[Kate]

Yeah. Well, do we have more soupies to read?

[David]

We have a few more.

[Kate]

I can. I can wrap.

[David]

Yeah, blast through them real quick.

[Kate]

Blow those soupies. David.

[David]

Yo, yo, yo. Hugh, Jeff and Cock. Shout out said unrelated. Oh, what's up?

[Kate]

Oh, who was that? Ab.

[David]

That was AB Unrelated.

[Harley]

But I wanted sham Batty.

[David]

It was your Shambala baddy.

[Harley]

Nice.

[Kate]

Do you miss him?

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Yeah.

[Harley]

He must be so miserable without me.

[Kate]

Probably. Hey, girl.

[Harley]

What up, dude? How you been?

[Kate]

Oh, he's building things.

[David]

I will say he was in a. He was in a quick walk out and you said Shambala Batty. And he stopped in his tracks and turned around. Shout out.

[Harley]

Didn't f. Still shout out. I didn't him though.

[David]

I don't know. The more you see.

[Kate]

What are you guys going to do tomorrow?

[Caleb Waver]

Question.

[Harley]

Tomorrow?

[Kate]

Yeah, what are you guys going to do?

[David]

We're going to play Call of Duty. We said.

[Kate]

Okay, sick. Continue.

[David]

We're going to do the origins Easter egg on Call of duty. Black Ops 2 zombies, whatever the that is.

[Harley]

Yes, good.

[Venmo Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Okay, cool.

[Harley]

We're gonna start. We're gonna build the office in Minecraft.

[Kate]

Oh, I like that.

[David]

Yep. Anyway, shout out to Hugh Jeffencock who said unrelated. But I wanted to request coverage of Wallace Sousa, presenter of the crime show Canal Livera in Brazil, who allegedly orchestrated violent crimes to exclusive get footage of them to boost his ratings. That's crazy.

[Kate]

Oh, that's crazy. That is crazy.

[Harley]

Gotta look into that.

[Kate]

Yeah. Wallace Souza.

[David]

Yeah. Thank you, Brook. Said. Harley, Kate, it's my 29th birthday today. Can I get a happy birthday and some wisdom from my last year of my twenties? Thank you for everything getting. Thank you everything getting head for life.

[Kate]

Do you guys even happy birthday?

[David]

The Last year your 20s was so long ago. Do you guys still remember

[Kate]

David?

[Harley]

Fuck you, David.

[Kate]

Fuck you, David.

[Harley]

Fuck you, David.

[Kate]

I will give you advice. First of all, happy birthday.

[Harley]

Well, happy birthday. We'll give you advice. David can. He lacks the wisdom.

[Kate]

He lacks the wisdom to help you. I will tell you what my mom told me and it's that you do not have to have everything figured out by the end of your 20s. I think a lot of people feel like they need to and they rush to hit arbitrary deadlines and if they don't, they feel bad about themselves. But my mom told me that your 20s to her are called your try on 20s. We're trying different things on trying to figure out what you like, what you don't like, who you like, who you don't like. So don't feel pressure to have your whole life figured out by 30 because guess what? 30 is gonna just turn your life upside down. It's just what happens. That's just what happens. So enjoy being in your 20s and then in your 30s you'll really start building and figuring yourself out. So there you go. That's my advice. Shout out Harley, any advice?

[Harley]

Same.

[David]

And get an old.

[Harley]

You're gonna be old soon. Yeah, you'll be old and then once you are old, you'll be the youngest old. And being the youngest old is quite enjoyable. See, David is the oldest young right now.

[Kate]

Terrible.

[Venmo Advertiser]

Yeah.

[David]

I was called sir for the first time a few months ago by like a teenager and I was like it

[Kate]

happens to us all.

[Harley]

Did you get him back with like a broski? So he knew you were young and chill?

[David]

Yeah, I was like get out of here whippersnapper.

[Kate]

Like yo skibidi something. I know.

[Caleb Waver]

Thanks

[Kate]

David. Did you get your 40x tickets? Did you get your 40x tickets to Cocomelon yet?

[David]

No, I do not want to be sprayed and assaulted by babies.

[Kate]

Spray some wild.

[David]

I will say though if there is a 40x coca melon experience we all have to go to that cuz that yes deal that low key sounds like it's insane.

[Harley]

I was going anyways.

[Kate]

I'm sure they will have it. Kids would love that. They'll all get shaken baby syndrome by the end of it though.

[David]

Anyway, shout out Danny Fl who said I'm five days post Tony and would love to get a. Get a well shout out. This is painful as for 35 but making it through through with hydrocode Hydrocodone. Love you.

[Harley]

Yep.

[Kate]

Be careful with those.

[Harley]

Yeah. And yeah. Get well soon hard parts over. Yeah, gotta you know the only way out is through. You got it baby.

[Kate]

You got more room back there now for activities so. We're so helpful. I like that game. That was fun.

[David]

We had a couple people donating about their experiences with restraining orders. Slam dance said even with the restraining order, my stalker found ways to harass me by posting my personal information on adult websites while I was pregnant saying I'm down to that's ew

[Kate]

what's wrong with people? I'm so sorry that happened. Him.

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[David]

Molly also said I tried getting a restraining order because my ex kept breaking in and stealing things. And the one time I caught him, he got away before the cops got there. And they said someone could have let him in.

[Kate]

That doesn't mean why.

[Harley]

Yeah, yeah, but they still committed. That's the discretion where they just have control.

[Kate]

Yeah, they just don't want to do their job.

[David]

So someone let them in and then he still stole things. So what about that part?

[Kate]

Yeah, someone would not say that about their own. Like if. If that cop's own home was broken into. They wouldn't say that. Like that's right. That's the issue.

[David]

It's like this murder happens. Like, but what if someone let them in to do the murder?

[Kate]

Dumb, dumbass, dumb. It's not like a vampire.

[David]

Said, can we cold scroll through David's reels and hit the button? If things go crazy, we'd be always hitting the button.

[Kate]

That's a good Russian roulette game for us to play.

[David]

Yeah. And the only losers is the audience because they can't see what happened.

[Kate]

Russian roulette.

[Harley]

Hey, we're doing it.

[Kate]

Yeah, do that. I like that.

[David]

Shout out. We're doing that tomorrow.

[Kate]

I like that. I with that.

[David]

Fenis Punji said. Highly recommend every 90 seconds. Are common cause Ending violence against women by Anne P. Deprince. It explores how society can stop violence against women. Wonderful eye openening read.

[Kate]

I have an idea.

[David]

Oh, I get it.

[Kate]

I have an idea of how to stop violence against women.

[David]

Boogity said. In Ontario, passports are not taken by cops despite flight risks. The accused have to take it to the station. This is how my my what? Artist fled the country and skipped prison. He's been free for four years now.

[Kate]

Oh my God.

[David]

That's crazy.

[Kate]

Yeah, that is awful. Him?

[David]

Yeah, him. Shout out. Mystic King. Who said I'm 22 and I needed to hear that Fire. Thanks, Kate.

[Kate]

Oh good. Yeah.

[Caleb Waver]

Dude.

[Kate]

I really thought like I need to be married and have kids and everything by the time I am 30. And because of that I married the wrong person because I was just trying to hit all the checkpoints. Don't do that. Marry the right person. It doesn't matter when it happens. Which I did for the second time. Shout out.

[David]

And that's all. I think that's a good place to end.

[Kate]

That's a beautiful place to end. Well everybody, like I said, I won't be here tomorrow. So have fun boys. I'm sure it'll be a great time. Whatever it ends up being, I will definitely catch it afterwards.

[David]

Ultra Blow Off Live.

[Kate]

Ultra Blow Off. I love that idea. Yeah. Have a wonderful evening, everybody. Yep.

[Harley]

Everyone, thanks for hanging out.

[Kate]

Yeah.

[Harley]

Hit the thumbs up button on the way out.

[Kate]

Yeah. Make sure you like the stream. Oh, thank you. I look so good with my tank top and teddy glow. Thank you so much. Yeah, Go get those. Look at. I look tan from them.

[Harley]

Yeah.

[Kate]

Go get you some. Go get you some. Run. All right, we'll see. I will see you Friday. The boys will see you tomorrow. Have a good night, everybody. Bye.

[Caleb Waver]

Bye.

[Kate]

Thank.

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