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Episode 405: Tali Edut: Using Astrology for Career Success and Work Styles + Why Your Moon Sign Matters
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Hi, guys. It's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it.
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All right, you guys, you're in for a treat. This is going to be a really fun podcast. Today we have one of the Astro twins. Her name is Tali Edut.
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Yes.
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B
Is that how you say it?
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A
It is.
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B
All right. And Tali is a celebrity astrologer. Astrologist. Is that what you say?
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A
Well, sure. I like each other, you know. Yeah.
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B
All right. She's worked with Beyonce. She's worked with Dua Lipa. Who else have you worked with?
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A
Alicia Keys. We did a reading for Carly Kloss, Emma Roberts.
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B
A lot of. A lot of ladies. Yeah, A lot of girls.
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A
Yeah. Astrology is its own. I hate the term, but girl math, you know?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It kind of is, though. Girls. All the girls I know love astrology. Including me.
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A
Oh, great.
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B
Yes, including me and her. So she. What's interesting about Tali is that she does this with her twin sister. That that's why they're called the Astro Twins. And the book is called. Their new book is called the Astrology Advantage. And, you know, they also did MyChart. But we're gonna learn so many things in this book. This book, like I said, is super fun. I'm not someone who typically will have astrologists on the podcast, but the reason why I really wanted to speak with you is because you do talk about how astrology can be helpful in productivity, in your career in lots of different ways, how you can apply it to make it work, which, again, I'm all about, like, taking something that and using it for actionable purposes versus just yammering on and just talking about it. So thank you for being here.
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I'm so excited, and thanks for giving astrology a chance.
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B
Oh, no, listen, I like it, like I said, in my. My. In my hobby, but now I'm bringing it to, like, the podcast, which I'm excited about. So. By the way, Tali from Astro Twins, she's, like, half of the astro. We do these shots on the podcast. They're called master masterminds. They're called magic minds. They're delicious, awesome. It's great for focus. It's great for just actually being alert. Productivity. And it's all really clean, good ingredients, and we do it all the time. So we do this. We open them up. Shake it, shake it, shake it. I've had, like, five today, by the way.
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A
Oh, my God.
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B
I know. It's crazy, but they're, like, all nootropics. It's like, matcha Cool.
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A
Nootropics.
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B
It's really good, like, really good ingredients.
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A
Cheers.
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B
Cheers. That's awesome. Let's do it.
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A
Yum.
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B
It's good, right?
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A
Leave it to a Virgo to have, like the best, like. Yeah, leave it to Virgo always have, like. Well, you know, they find the things, healthy things that no one else can find.
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B
Listen, thank you.
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This and my book together, you are going to be so damn productive.
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B
Oh, my God, I'm going to be so productive with all your tips and tricks. Oh, my God.
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A
Oh, my God.
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B
It's amazing. I like. You know what I love? I love because. I love this because you sit here for so many hours. You know what I mean?
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A
Really good. Oh, my God.
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B
Really good. Because it's. The ingredients are like, top, top notch. There's like ashwagandha, there's matcha, there's like turmeric.
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A
I have so many questions for you about business. I feel like we have to, like, hang out sometime because.
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B
Anytime.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay, good. We can. Anytime. Okay, now we're going to get into the podcast. So can you just say maybe in a few sentences, what is astrology?
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Absolutely. And literally anyone can learn it. You don't have to be a psychic to be an astrologer because there's a system to it that anyone can learn. I've actually taught it to hundreds of people at this point.
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B
Really? Because that was my next question. I was going to say, do you have to be kind of psychic?
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A
You really don't. I mean, I think we all are actually a little bit psychic. And it kind of gives you that code. So what it is, is a snapshot of the planets in their orbit at any given moment in time. So if we're looking up at the sky now, we obviously, we know the sun is the center of the, of, you know, the R universe here. But in astrology it says we get to look up at the sky. And it's as if the sun and moon and all the planets are orbiting around us. So if we freeze frame them in their exact, you know, at any exact minute in time, you have this map. Each one will be lining up with a different zodiac sign. And then astrologers know how to interpret that. So most people know their signs. Sun sign. They know where the sun was when they were born. I know you're a Virgo, I'm a Sagittarius. But we also have a moon sign, Mercury and Venus, Mars. And each one is in charge of a different area of your life.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah.
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B
So why do we all focus then? On the sun sign.
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Well, the sun really is the essence of your personality, and it's trackable. It's. It's based on your birthday during the same time every year, you know, But I don't know. I think that that's just where modern astrology has taken us. But the Greeks, the Egyptians, even back to the Babylonians, they looked at everything. Where was the moon? Where was Mercury? And it's really unique.
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B
Interesting. So then if we don't have. Okay, so you're saying it's the essence of our personality is in the sun sign. Okay, but then in terms of the moon and all the other pieces, do we not really get a clear, decisive indication if we don't know all the other pieces?
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Like, it really does round out the picture. So that's how I got obsessed with astrology. This was not my intended career. I went to the University of Michigan. I studied art and journalism.
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B
Get out.
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A
Yeah.
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Okay, so how. So you went to college for, like. For like, a different type of occupation? Absolutely.
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It was like. This was like, okay, hi, Mom. I'm becoming an astrologer now. Thank God. My mom's awesome. And a Leo.
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B
So your mom's. And a rabbi, which I thought was great. Okay, so then how did you go from that to now being an astrologist, you know?
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Yeah. Or is. Whatever, you know, it's interchangeable. While I was at the University of Michigan, I started publishing a magazine, A multicultural size pod positive women's magazine. It was a project that turned into an entrepreneurial life of its own. This happens to Sagittarians. We're like, hobby career. So that's part of my. But one of the things.
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B
Exactly.
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I'm sure you could really. Yeah. So the unifying language among this diverse group of us who put the magazine together was astrology. We started doing our charts, and that's when I found out that I had Astronomy, Scorpio, Moon. And it just. So the moon is your inner nature. And I started to learn one piece at a time. So while your sun sign really shows how you shine in the world, the moon is your private self. And that really does balance out who you are with your family and friends can be different than who you are out in public.
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That's so interesting. So for me, being a Virgo. Right. Yeah. That is so my. That's my sun sign.
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Yeah.
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What would be. So you're saying that who we are in our deeper inner self is our moon sign? To me, that's way more interesting and much more telling about a human being than what People's perception or optics are.
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Oh, yeah, your moon is in Libra, so mine is. Yeah. Libra's a sign of just of peace, of harmony, of, you know, you really can get emotional and people are being treated unfairly or things feel unjust. It's also about beauty and, you know, so aesthetics. Things. Like you have a good eye for things. Probably.
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I mean, not particularly, actually. Not for my own clothing, but that's besides the point. Not very fashion forward, but, I mean, maybe you're right. Like, I. What I'm good at is I can. I could. I can see it in somebody else, just not on myself, but emotionally.
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Like, you take good care of yourself.
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Yeah, yeah, I take very care.
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And that's like. That is kind of the Libra moon way. You do not like. You don't really like conflict, but you will get in there if you have to fight.
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If I have to. If you have to.
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But it's probably not your preference.
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Not my preference?
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Yeah.
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No. Is that really what is a. So what is like a Virgo, in your opinion?
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So Virgos are an Earth sign. So every sign is categorized as one of four elements, fire, earth, air, or water. And one of three modalities, Cardinal, fixed, and mutable. And so you are a mute. Virgo is immutable, which means it's very changeable and adaptable. But it's an Earth sign, which means it's very traditional and stable. So it's kind of a quirky sign to be. Because on the one hand, people. Virgos get such a bad rap, and this is the biggest lie out there, that Virgos are boring. That I cannot think of a less boring sign. But Virgos do like things to be sort of routine and disciplined.
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Totally. But boring I'm not.
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No.
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But that's so interesting because most Virgos I know are not boring.
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No way. Beyonce's a Virgo.
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Beyonce's a Virgo.
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I'm just saying, you know, like Virgo.
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But name some famous Virgos.
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Well, Kobe Bryant was a Virgo. Dr. Drew is a Virgo. Who else? Prince Harry, Blake Lively. Beyonce Pink.
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B
Oh, Blake Lively and Beyonce are too.
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A
Yeah.
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By the way, can you give us some, like, any kind of juicy gossip about what you found out about Beyonce or a girl named Demetria who works with us here is obsessed with her. So I'm doing this. That's a question for her more than for me, to be honest. But you're welcome, Demetria. She'll thank you.
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Tomorrow's her birthday, Beyonce. Oh, is its birthday? Yeah. So I mean, she was really. She was really cool. I mean, she's. She is as nice as she appears to be. She had no attitude. No, she's just like, present and real. And when we did the reading for. It was a long time ago when she first started dating Jay Z and we were doing readings at the Billboard Music Awards, and I was like, hey, do you want a chart for you know who, too? Because you can do a relationship chart.
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Oh, okay.
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When you put both side by side and you can actually blend the two charts together to find a relationships whole chart as well, that's another. That's. I know. It's fascinating.
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It is fascinating.
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So she. Yeah, she was. And she came back. We saw her in the next day. She's like, I stayed up all night reading this and.
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Because she's a Virgo.
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She's a Virgo, Exactly. That's what you do.
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That's right. That's what we do. Okay, so let's talk about a couple things. Let's start with the archetypes of these signs. You said there's three.
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So every zodiac sign is either Fire, Earth, Air, and water.
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Right.
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So the fire signs, should I go through them?
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Yeah.
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Okay. Fire signs are Aries, Leo and Sagittarius.
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Okay.
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So very creative, impulsive, dynamic. The big idea people. And then we have the earth signs, which are Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn. And those signs are more traditional, structured, stabilizing. They like things to go according to plan. And they're the ones you can depend on, too, for things. Then we have the air signs. So kind of the social butterflies. That's Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius.
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Okay.
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And then lastly, the very emo water signs. Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces. They're the nurturers, the powders. So then there's a second way that we group them, which are. Are cardinal. Those are the signs that start each season. So that is why we wrote this. Our book is kind of all about these groupings. So the cardinal signs are Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn. These start every season, and thus they have that quality about them. People born under those signs or who have those signs in their chart will be the ones who just get out there. We call them the innovators that we've given them new names.
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Okay, so this is the im, right?
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Yes, this is the IM system.
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Okay. This is the IM system. Okay, so I is the innovator. Go on.
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Yeah, that's someone who has mostly cardinal signs. I have that in my chart. So I've started a business since I used to crush up rose petals and try to sell perfume in Michigan to the neighbors.
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Really?
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I was like, what was I thinking?
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That's great.
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I love that. So, and then the fixed people have mostly fixed signs. These are the mid season signs. Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius. They're the planners, the traditionalists. We call them the authorities. And the ones who wind up becoming an expert on things. And in fact, that's your archetype. Authority.
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So I'm an a. I'm an authority.
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You're an a. You're an authority. And very much so, yeah.
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Really? But you're an Earth authority based on. Okay, so wait, let me get this straight, because this can be a little complicated.
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Sure, I know.
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Okay, it is. There's a lot of things.
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We just dove right in.
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Well, no. Yeah, because why not? Right? That's what we do. So it's the. You created this thing called the I am system. And it's the. I stands for innovator, A stands for authority, and M stands for the maven.
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That's someone with mostly mutable signs in their chart. Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Pisces. They're the ones who wear a lot of hats. These are the signs that end every season. They're kind of the ambassadors, the messengers. They. They pull us. They can go back and forth between two worlds, three worlds.
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But you said I'm an authority.
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You are an authority.
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But then it says you said I'm also a Maven.
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No, no, you're not a Maven.
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I'm not a maven. Yeah, because it says here in the Innovator.
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Well, okay, Virgo is a maven sign. But the way we calculate the I am is by taking your whole chart. We take your sun sign, your moon sign.
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Got it.
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This is all the planets from Mercury through Pluto and a couple other points, the rising sun and the nodes. So 13 points in your chart. And we kind of put them in a blender so that we can really distill the essence of your entire chart. Like I'd like to say astrology has a marketing problem. You know, it's like everyone loves it, but it's. They don't have time to learn it.
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It's complicated. That's the problem. That's why it's complicated. There's a lot of information, so it seems like it's complicated. Like you just said. Well, yeah, you're a Virgo because that's your sun sign, but really you're a Libra. Moon sign and then this. So, like, it's like, I can tell you.
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So just to, you know, you have Mercury in Virgo.
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Okay, wait, let's start with this. Okay. I think that's how we're gonna do it. So people are not going to be like, totally feel like they're like, I know.
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We just go all over. I know.
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Let's start with my chart. Let's go through all of it and then we can like, figure it out. So go with the. Yeah, so start with the.
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Okay, so your sun sign is in Virgo. That's the essence of who you are.
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Okay.
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And your main character, energy. So how you present in the world. Virgos are disciplined, they're organized, they're thoughtful, full of advice. Always, you know, very much. They're achievers, for sure.
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Okay, I can go with that. Yeah. All right.
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And then like we said, your moon is in Libra. So you're actually romantic too, at heart. Very much a, you know, a relationship. Girly, as they say. You like things to be even keeled, peaceful. Now, Mercury is the planet that's our. The messenger. It's our communication style, which you have in Virgo. So you need things to be precise. You need them to be exact. You want to know? Prove it. Very factual mind. You have an organized mind probably too.
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I'm a lot. The funny thing is I'm very disorganized.
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Maybe, but when it comes to like. Do you like to categorize things?
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See, I guess I feel like I'm super disorganized. Admit I can. I don't have a lot of, like administratively. I'm very disorganized, but I'm very meticulous in how things should be done. Like routine regimen schedule, stuff like that.
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And that's where Mercury comes in. It's like the data planet. So. And you're a great interviewer. And so Mercury and Virgo, like, knows how to ask good questions. You're very inquisitive.
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Because we're curious, probably.
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Yeah, yeah, totally. And wanting to know, wanting to put the puzzle together, probably.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Now, Venus and Mars are fun because these are the love planets. Venus is kind of how you like to be wooed. And Mars is like what you're attracted to.
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B
What am I attracted to?
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You are attracted. Well, so your Venus is in Leo and your Mars is in Virgo. So you actually, that's an interesting dynamic because you want to be. You want to be romanced, you want fun and play and you want to, you know, be. You want to feel like the queen. But you also like someone who's hardworking, maybe a little quieter and simpler and, you know, so it's like you have to find someone who knows how to. I just remember when I was on J date years ago, they'd be like, someone who looks as good as in a ball gown as she does in sweat, you know, like someone who looks as good in running gear as he does in a tux or something.
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B
Right. You need both. But who doesn't want that?
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I don't know.
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B
I mean, who. Who doesn't want a guy who can, like, be divert? Like, who can diversify like that?
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Yeah, but you def. You. You don't just want that. You need that.
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So I like diversification, so to speak.
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A
Somebody who can dress up and go and be, you know, just someone who, like, really knows how to give gifts, but also when it's time to hunker down and be practical.
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B
Totally. I like practical, for sure. But you're saying that. Does that say that I like Leos? And what's the other one?
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I mean, not necessarily. Venus in Leo also means that, you know, Venus in Leo is like how you dress, how you take care of yourself. So there's a glam side to you, too, even if you are sporty a little bit.
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B
I mean.
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A
I mean, your hair is done.
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B
You got your. Yeah, exactly. I have, like, my nails are always have to be on point. I do like my hair done.
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Yes.
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B
But even though I wear, like. Yeah, casual. I'm casual.
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A
Casual, Glam.
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B
Casual, glam. That's a good way.
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A
Because Mars and Virgo also shows like, Venus is the feminine and Mars is the masculine, if you want to get archetypal about it. And so we all have both in us. So Mars is also the way you motivate and move through the world. So your work ethic is, like, crazy. Probably on points. Yes.
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B
My work ethic is.
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A
I feel like, yeah, Mars and Virgo people are probably like, how do you get so much done?
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B
Yeah, but Mars. But wait, Mars is.
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A
Mars is also like what you need in a man. It doesn't mean you need to be with a Virgo, but you need to be with someone who has their stuff together, is also very disciplined themselves.
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B
So my best sign would be Virgo.
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A
You know, it's just the qualities. There's any sign because there's so much in everybody that it's hard to just.
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B
Say, but because people always say, like, Virgo does well with Capricorn or it's.
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Another Earth sign, or a Taurus.
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Taurus.
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Right. That's a very simplistic way. I really do think any two signs can make it work. Sometimes the weird matches are like Virgo and Aquarius can be good together and no one ever sees that. Yeah.
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B
Why?
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A
Both are like. When you're five signs apart from another sign, there's like a. The distance between two signs is also creates the chemistry and the tension. Almost like are you standing next to each other in an elevator? Are you standing across the room? So sometimes people do well with a partner who is so different than them that they're never bored. And astrology can actually show you that too.
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B
That's interesting. I always believe that people who have more in common with each other do better together, compatibility wise. And that's a myth. Urban legend or myth that opposites attract. I don't believe that. Really?
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A
Well, you have a Libra moon, so your emotional energy likes peace. You don't want that. You just want to be easy and relaxed and flow. So you can just be who you are. But someone with an Aries moon may like somebody who's more of a challenge.
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B
Yeah, I get that. I was like in my younger days perhaps, I guess. All right, so what else does it say?
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A
Well, the outer planets from there are more about how you are, are in the world. So Jupiter, which is the planet of luck and expansion, is an Aquarius for you. So that's very sporty. Very like. Aquarius is the sign of the humanitarian too. So that's a big deal. It also rules technology. So you probably do really well on YouTube and things like that.
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B
YouTube. I do terrible. Instagram. I do well.
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Social media, then I do well.
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And so TikTok, I mean, I do well in Instagram. I mean, I don't know about TV in general. Have you done any? I had a weight loss show for work a bit and then yeah, I used to do a lot of TV and now I do a little bit.
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A
For Jupiter in Aquarius.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Why?
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A
Aquarius is a sign that rules electronics, the Internet, tv. Okay. Every sign has its own domain. I know astrologers. We have neatly categorized every area of Life among these 12 signs. Once you learn it. And there's a progression. It is, but it isn't because there's a progression from Aries, the first sign, which is like the baby of the zodiac, to Pisces, the last sign, which is kind of the elder. So it really goes and builds one to the next to the next. And it has a flow that anyone can learn.
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B
It just seems like I want to know based on my Signs more than anything. What is the. What would be like, my best. Like, what would I. What would be best for my career? Tips for, like, said productivity. I want to know, like, how all my stuff actually could. Can it help me truly, like, be better or optimize an area where I'm like, deficient in. Because I'm not. I'm not using this chart properly.
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A thousand percent. And that's why we should move towards your authority, because you're. I am so taking all these things apart one at a time. We don't live like that. Yeah, we're not like, now I am emotional. What does my moon say? Yeah, now I. I mean, you will be expressing all these traits at the same time. And so that's why I love what we did in the astrology advantage, which allows you to use them all kind of at once. It kind of takes. It's the law of averages. It averages out your chart so you can really distill the essence. So when I look at your chart, you have two fire signs. So of these 13 placements, two are fire, five are earth, three are air, and three are water. So earth is really the most prevalent element in your Charlotte.
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B
Interesting. Now. Okay.
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A
And you're lower on fire, so sometimes being creative might be a little harder for you. You want to know? It's not that you're not creative, but.
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B
No, I get it.
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A
So much artsy. You're more of a. You're not arty.
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B
I'm not artsy at all. Like, I'll always say, like, they're like, oh, do you want to go see this? Do you want to go to this art gallery or this open. I'm like, not. I have no, listen, if you go and look at my house, my 9 year old does all my paintings and I'm perfectly happy with it. Art is not my favorite thing. That's for sure.
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A
As an art schooler, I, you know, I understand that sometimes I am not athletic at all. And I really wish I was.
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B
It's like, right, but it's like part of, like, who Our. It's our. It's our what we naturally are. Gravitate to.
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A
Yeah, exactly. And so for you with Earth, it's. It's family, it's tradition, it's a sense of comfort and security that you really like more than anything. Stability, you know, Earth is also really good with money, good with business. Now, when it comes to the I am, you have three innovator placements, six authority and four maven. So you have a bit of all of them. But the most prevalent one is authority. So. So the authorities are really also the traditionalists. So you're an Earth Authority and we call you the Provider. We wrote so. A dutiful, dependable person who takes a practical approach to life, acting as a frugal steward of their resources.
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B
Oh, my God, I sound so boring and so lame. Oh, my God. Okay. That's hilarious.
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A
You're not, you know, you're the provider, right?
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B
Am I? I don't think so. I mean, I know. I don't know. Maybe I am.
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A
Maybe you are.
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B
In what way?
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A
Like, well, if we. The. Actually, if I were to distill your entire chart into one zodiac sign, which the Earth Authority sign is actually Taurus. So if we could put your chart in a blender, even though you're a Virgo, if we put it all together, you would be. The energy of Taurus is sensual but sensible. I say yes.
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B
That would be a perfect way to describe. Okay, I like this. I think I'm more Taurus. Tell me what other things that Taurus are.
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A
They love to be home. They love to be around family. They don't like change all that much. They're very much. They're actually habits and hustle is there. Might as well say Taurus because it's this hard working, devoted energy. Habits are what Taurus loves. It's like, give me the same thing over and over again. Eat the same. Oh, my God, that's so funny.
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B
Right? So really I'm more of a Taurus than I am a Virgo.
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A
Yeah. I mean, it's kind of funny. But yes, at essence, when you use your whole chart, I mean, you're both, obviously, but that Taurus energy is really where your superpower is.
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B
That's interesting. I bet you then from what it sounds like, a lot of people may think they're one sign, but actually be a totally different sign if they actually did their chart properly.
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A
Yeah. We have a calculator on our website.
- [26:39]
B
Yeah. Tell us how this works.
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A
Astrostyle.com I am very easy. I am. And you just put in your time, date and place of birth. If you don't know your time, it might be off. One of the numbers might be off by one, but it's close enough.
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B
Okay.
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A
And. And then you get this archetype and you, you know, you don't need to know about the elements. You can just go with your innovator, authority and maven. And in the book, we have so many practical tips how to use that for every aspect of your life. And we've We've done, like, coaching groups. We've worked with hundreds of people. We've spoken to. You know, we've worked with teams at companies and. And really applied this.
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B
Like, how. Give me an example how you can apply it, like, for productivity.
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A
So every One of the IAMs has a specific way that they like to work, and they each have a time zone that they're in. So the innovators are the futurists. We'll turn every space into a satellite office. We need to move around. We need a lot of variety. We have to pick up and go. The authority has what we call the command station. They want their work in one place. Close the door, and then relax over here. They don't like to blend everything together, you know?
- [27:52]
B
Really?
- [27:52]
A
Yeah. Is that. Do you work like that?
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B
See, I'm a. I don't know. My situation is I'm kind of like. A lot of what you're saying does relate to me. However, I'm also, like, all over the place. I'm like. I'm very much a visionary person, not so much of an operator, which is interesting in terms of having everything kind of organized and scheduled and documented. And I'm just a squirrel. I'm here, then that's over here. So a lot of the Virgo things don't really apply to me, but then I am practical. I am sensible. I am. I have, like, both. I have a lot of, like. Like, yin and yang.
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A
Yeah. Virgos actually are, like, squirrely. You're immutable. Virgo is a mutable sign. So Virgos are collectors. They're like, I've got this. I got this now. I got, you know.
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B
Yeah. Oh, really?
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A
Curators who find all the things, like, they'll just get, like, 10 face creams to try, or. 10.
- [28:53]
B
Yes. That's what I do. And none of them work. But that's. That's.
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A
I know. Isn't it?
- [28:57]
B
Because they're all the same. Then you go to the drugstore and.
- [28:59]
A
You'Re like, damn it.
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B
Exactly. Okay, so tell us how we can be more productive while I look for the other question I have absolutely.
- [29:05]
A
You can set up your. You can own who you are. So authorities will go hard, they'll work, and then they need to clock out at the end of the day. Innovators need to, like, work and then take a break. Work and then take a break. The mavens are always wearing a lot of different hats, and they can get socially distracted, too. But they're great at, like, social media and being with people. It's Kind of like designing a life around your strengths is how you can use astrology. Like we can. You can be in any field, but as an authority, you know, you still need things to be regimented a certain way.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Whereas a maven can drop them anywhere and they're like, I'm just gonna go with the flow with what everyone else is doing that.
- [29:54]
B
Okay, so how about this? You say in the book, adults make over 35,000 decisions a day. So how does this I am system help on a daily basis with decision making?
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A
Yeah, it really answers the question, like, which path will be the most efficient and effective for me. Because at any time, we don't always have to do what our astrology tells us to. Although it's probably, you know. So if you want to optimize your decisions or even get like a reflect, like, in love, the innovator becomes the idealist, the authority becomes the attacher, and the maven becomes the mirror. They want someone who's always like, okay, I said this. You said that, like, understanding the other people in your life is also helpful.
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B
Like, totally.
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A
As an authority, you're an attach or in relationships, you want to know are they in or out. You're not probably a great dater. You're not like a play around kind of person.
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B
Me? Yeah, Opposite.
- [30:57]
A
Exactly.
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B
No, no, no, opposite. Like, I am a great. That's what I do very well.
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A
Oh, really?
- [31:02]
B
Yes, that's what I'm saying. A lot of these things do not apply.
- [31:05]
A
But when you. What makes you a great dater?
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B
I had a lot of. I mean, Mary now, but I mean, I had. I had a lot of boyfriends and a lot of dating. I. I mean, I was just saying that last podcast. I have so many. I. I'm very social in that way. So I have a lot of people, ideal date and friends and.
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A
But did you have a system for how you dated?
- [31:27]
B
No. No.
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A
You just went with it?
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B
I will not went with it. I mean, I had a particular kind of guy I would go out with. I was very focused on having a guy that was, you know, what girls like. I want someone who's successful and there you go, and cute and whatever and fit, like all the same things that any girl wants. But then I even had a. I put together, like, I created a charity for breast cancer where I would auction off all these eligible bachelors because I had so many. I literally had so many guys that I knew.
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A
Oh, my God, there's your Venus. And Leah, the queen of dating.
- [32:01]
B
That's why it doesn't make sense, because I literally, in fact, little side note, Lance Armstrong had his Virgo. He's a Virgo?
- [32:10]
A
Yeah.
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B
Oh, that's so funny. So he did this. He was one of my one year of my Babes for Boobs, which is the charity auction I do. He was my host. Or, like, we kind of gave him an award for raising so much money for overall cancer. And, you know, and so, like, we did. They were. They did a 30. 30 for him. And I was in the 30 for 30, like, kind of like showing everybody all the dating stuff, like, and it just came out, like, recently. So everyone's stopping me, like, oh, my God, you were just in this thing. But the point is that. Yeah, I have. Like, that, to me, is not an area that was. I am a dater, and I know that. So that doesn't really match.
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A
But you're. You're a successful dater.
- [32:50]
B
Yes.
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A
That's a t. So I will.
- [32:52]
B
Is that a difference?
- [32:53]
A
And look at. You're still friends with all the guys, right?
- [32:55]
B
I am. So there. Well, not all of them. There are some who don't like me very much. Oh, they don't have a lot. I can name a few.
- [33:01]
A
Good for high five, sister.
- [33:04]
B
But with that being said, so what makes somebody a successful dater versus.
- [33:10]
A
I don't know. Just like, I was a terrible dater. Oh, my God. It was like, why just be like. So. I hated it. I was so anxious. Well, yeah. As an innovator, the idealist. It's like, is he the one? Is he the one? Is he? You know, I'd always try to make everyone into the wand, and that was my. My worst. Oh, interesting traits in dating, I'd say.
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B
How long have you been married? You said 15.
- [33:31]
A
15 years? Yeah.
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B
How old are you?
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A
51.
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B
So you got married when you were 36?
- [33:36]
A
Yep. Okay, good math and.
- [33:38]
B
Yeah, Virgo. Right. Exactly.
- [33:41]
A
There's a calculator. Yeah.
- [33:43]
B
So let me. How accurate is all this information? Honestly?
- [33:48]
A
You know, I don't know. It's really. Sometimes it doesn't fit for people. But then what it can be used for in cases like that is an interesting reflection. Like, I always say, oh, take it or leave it. It's a. It's a gift that we have from the Ancient. You don't have to live your life by it. There's sometimes. We're always evolving. We're always changing. But it's such an interesting thing to have. Like, okay, when I found out I have Mars and Venus and Scorpio, I was like, well, I Better rare it up a little bit more.
- [34:24]
B
I find that there's a lot of confusion, right, Because I think there's astrology, there's tarot cards, there's all the things like what do you get from astrology that you don't get from tarot cards or vice versa.
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A
Yeah, astrology is a system. It's really, it's like, it's very specific. The time of birth is going to plug you into the sky. It's backed up by NASA data.
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B
Yeah, it's true.
- [34:49]
A
The moon was in the libra part of the sky. Like NASA will tell you that, you know, when you were born. Tarot is more interpretive. It's like a divination where it's like I'm pulling this card and I see the high priestess and now I'm going to interpret what that means. It's much more of a psychic thing.
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B
It's more of an interpretation.
- [35:08]
A
It's interpretive.
- [35:09]
B
And this is more data based.
- [35:11]
A
Yeah, it is literal and it's math plus myth. There's not really math with tarot as much, although there is within the archetypes when you learn them.
- [35:20]
B
So astrology is more, it's more, it's data based. It is, yeah, it's data based. And math, there's like scientific math behind it.
- [35:29]
A
Like the angles. Like you can get really nerdy.
- [35:32]
B
You can get super, super.
- [35:33]
A
Like the sun is opposite your MO during a full moon. The sun and moon are on opposite signs. Like you start to learn the angles of all. You want to teach women to love math, Just teach them how to read birth charts. Because we apply it, we're relationship oriented.
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B
It's so true.
- [35:48]
A
Self knowledge oriented. I know, it's amazing.
- [35:51]
B
And so tarot cards are much more interpretive than. Okay, how has astrology changed like in today's time versus when you first started like in the early 2000s?
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A
Oh my God. I actually started in the 90s, in the 90s even. And it was my sister's college boyfriend, Calvin gave her a chart like this with a 30 page booklet describing every planet and all the angles between them. And of course I wanted to read it because we're twins. So I was like, give me that. And I was like, how the hell does this thing know so much about me? I was, I was fascinated. And so I started, I don't know, weird things started happening. Like we got this piece of software and we started doing our friends charts. I just wanted to know why and how it worked because I'm, you know, skeptic too. I was like, how on earth? And I think people should be skeptical because it has not yet been proven. But like, when you think about what science is, it's like you're studying. You're looking at a data pool and you're drawing conclusions.
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B
Totally. Yeah, it makes sense to me.
- [37:01]
A
Yeah. So that's what astrology. That's what it is at this point.
- [37:04]
B
But has it changed and evolved since then?
- [37:07]
A
You know, it's just become more accessible because of apps. Snapchat, you can do your whole birth chart. There's an app called Costar that lets you find all your friends charts and match yourselves up.
- [37:20]
B
And there's also these apps. It was the one that I liked. What's it called?
- [37:26]
A
The Pattern.
- [37:26]
B
The Pattern. How did you know?
- [37:28]
A
I know. People love that app.
- [37:29]
B
It's because you know why? It's like, that's one that I would open and it says things and I'm like, oh, my God, that's so. To the. Like, to the T me.
- [37:40]
A
Oh, it's so good. And it is just astrology. It just doesn't tell you why. See, for me, I'm like, where do they get that? Oh, that's Saturn.
- [37:47]
B
Yeah, that's. How are they able to do that though, for an app like, you. You don't have an app, do you?
- [37:52]
A
I do have an app, but I'm. Yet. I'm still working on developing it because I. It's. There's so many apps out there. I'm like, oh, my God, I have a web. My website is very robust. You can. It is, yeah. Astrostyle.com so how does it.
- [38:05]
B
Like, how do they. Like, how did these apps even like generate all this information?
- [38:08]
A
Like, it's really easy. Like, the moon changes signs every two and a half days, but all the other planets and they can just take. Like, I could get the NASA data at any point. Like, they could. It's. It's out there. There are. It's called an ephemeris. It's like Benjamin Franklin even used to write them. So, like, really Astrologer?
- [38:28]
B
Yeah, he was.
- [38:30]
A
He was.
- [38:30]
B
Yep. It's.
- [38:32]
A
Yeah. All the founding fathers were like secret astrologers.
- [38:35]
B
So I guess it can also help with like hiring. Right? Because totally. If you are good at reading these charts and understanding, you can say, okay, I. This person doesn't seem like they listen. Like it's not like an exact science, but it's at least better than nothing. And you can say, this is telling me this person is going to. Could be a good leader. This person would Make a great, you know, worker be. Or this person will be a great operator.
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A
Or even in terms of what you need to get the best out of. Like, our team, our two operations people are both authorities, and they need to rest a lot. And they need. They work hard and rest hard because their brain, they need like a structure. Like, if I not rest in a lazy way at all, but they need to just like, not be keyed up too much. Authorities do not like to be stressed out or rushed at all.
- [39:27]
B
I see. This is another fallacy. I think not you. No. And most people I know who are Virgos.
- [39:33]
A
Like, Virgos are not the app.
- [39:34]
B
Yeah, no, we don't. I don't rest. I mean, I've never. I've never taken a nap in my life for the first thing.
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A
Okay, let me. Let me rewind that. Because they're not nappers and they work. They're always ready to be on.
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B
I don't mean like a napper, but I just mean like, I don't like. My problem is I don't rest ever. And most Virgos I know are the same way.
- [39:54]
A
Yeah, Virgos. No, now, we didn't talk about your past life sign, which is Scorpio.
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B
Oh, is that why, though?
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A
Yeah, the Scorpio.
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B
Okay, we did not talk about.
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A
Right. We didn't get to the north and south nodes of the charts. Yeah, we really have to talk about this. This is what Kabul Kabbalistic astrology. As Jews, we need to know.
- [40:12]
B
Yes.
- [40:12]
A
Well, you've been, like, slacking over here.
- [40:14]
B
I know.
- [40:14]
A
What the hell? There's just so much to talk about. I just went on a ride. I know.
- [40:19]
B
I just thought there was. My moon, was my Libra, my Virgo was my sun, my Venus and Leo are.
- [40:28]
A
My Venus is in Leo. Yes.
- [40:29]
B
Relationship thing.
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A
And see, look at that Virgo mind cataloging.
- [40:35]
B
Exactly.
- [40:36]
A
I got an astrologer in you.
- [40:37]
B
Yes, 100%. And now you're saying that I'm a Scorpio in my past life.
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A
Yeah. So the two points in the chart, the north and south nodes of the moon, these are where the eclipses were happening, these points in the sky when you were born. And the south node, which we say is kind of what you came into this life being naturally good at, or your gifts, is in Scorpio.
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B
What?
- [41:01]
A
You're moving towards your tycoon. Your correction is Taurus. Yeah. Your tikkun is Taurus. Which is funny, since that is kind of the essence of your chart. So that Scorpio south node is sexy magnetic. I heard your Story about Keanu on.
- [41:16]
B
Your talk that you did my TED Talk?
- [41:19]
A
Yeah. How you just magnetize.
- [41:23]
B
I don't think I magnetized him. I think I just harassed and was very bold about asking for his help.
- [41:30]
A
Yeah, that was great story. But no, just there's that, you know, really, that intensity of the Scorpio from the past life.
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B
That's so true. Well, first of all, I'm super intense still, though. This is why I don't. This is it.
- [41:44]
A
Yes. I have a Scorpio moon, Mercury, Mars and Venus. So anyone with Scorpio. I always am. Like, I love that.
- [41:50]
B
Really? I don't understand then how, like, I believe my. I'm probably more Scorpio than I am. Yeah.
- [41:57]
A
We can go all over the map with it, you know.
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B
So how does anyone. How are you able to really, like, drill in any information on how to be the most productive or how to be the most this or that? If you can read a chart and you can have in your chart Scorpio, Virgo, Taurus. Because, like, that could be anything you can. I can see myself with, like, I have some of the Scorpio in me, which make. Which would tend to make me believe I should go this direction, but then I also have a lot of Taurus in me, which would make me think I should go.
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A
Well, you actually don't have a lot of. You don't have anything. Your north node in Taurus is the only Taurus. The Earth fixed earth sign is Taurus. So that's just like, if we were to put everything together and smush it together, like the core essence, we mixed it all up would be like a Taurus flavor. But you're a Virgo. You are a Virgo, but your I am archetype is the authority. And that's going to help. Like, if you want to be most. Most productive, you should maybe try separating your office from the rest of. You know, like a simple. You don't need a lot of stuff in your line of vision. Any kind of chaos or mess will throw you off and make it hard for you to work.
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B
That's true.
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A
Yeah. Some people. Mavens can be in a mess. I mean, my husband's a maven. My God. It's just like, I have to close the door to a couple rooms.
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B
Yeah, I can't do that.
- [43:25]
A
Yeah.
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B
And how about an innovator?
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A
Innovators just turn everything into an office. Like, my sister and I, when we're together, it's, like, ridiculous. Like, let's go to. We went to the butcher's daughter or the Soho hat. Like, we could not even, like, sit still for long. We drove each other crazy.
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B
So.
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A
Yeah.
- [43:42]
B
Are you guys really close?
- [43:43]
A
We are, yeah.
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B
Because you're twins, right? Like, do you feel each other's energy then? For real?
- [43:48]
A
Oh, definitely.
- [43:49]
B
Really?
- [43:49]
A
We have another sister too, who's an innovator, so.
- [43:52]
B
Really? How old is she? Is she younger?
- [43:54]
A
She's five years younger. And she is a family constellation therapist. So we're all like, working with this, like, family constellation. What is more like, it's a. It's a. Like an ancestral trauma healing. It's like you kind of the ideas that different. You carry trauma from generation to generation and you do this work where you kind of. It's almost like a hypnotherapy visualization where you go back and kind of re pattern the family conversations and lineage. I know. You should talk to her. She's really interesting.
- [44:29]
B
That's super interesting.
- [44:30]
A
Yeah.
- [44:31]
B
Does she have a client list? Does she. Does she actually get.
- [44:33]
A
Yeah, she works with a lot of different. She does, yeah, she works of people. Family members come together and they just do this healing together. Yeah.
- [44:40]
B
Wow. It sounds very woo woo.
- [44:42]
A
It is very woo woo. Well, you know.
- [44:43]
B
Yeah, it's very.
- [44:44]
A
What I do isn't woo woo.
- [44:46]
B
No, it's funny.
- [44:46]
A
Well, she's. I'm less woo woo. Even though I've worked in a woo woo field. I'm very practical.
- [44:51]
B
You seem very practical. So that's interesting. So that's very. She would be very interesting. How did you. I mean.
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A
But yeah, my sister and I. My twin Ophi and I are always like. I mean, not as soon as I leave, I'll call and she'll be like, how was it?
- [45:07]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys are very, very close. Yeah.
- [45:09]
A
She was bummed she couldn't be here today.
- [45:10]
B
I know. I'm bummed I couldn't meet her. Okay, so wait, what are the other things that I. Okay, so AI and all that and like Chat GPT and all that. How does that affect your business now? Or does it not?
- [45:22]
A
You know, I tried to see if Chat GPT could write a horoscope for me because I was like, well, that'll make my life easier.
- [45:29]
B
That's right. Exactly. You know, but.
- [45:31]
A
And you know, it's getting better at it. I test it periodically, but you have to know what to ask. You have to know what to direct it in. And even if I'm like, oh, please rewrite this for me, I still have to go in and polish it. So. But I feel like, so there's no getting. AI is here to stay. My prediction is not shocking at all. But Aquarius is the zodiac sign that rules technology, rules the future, rules progress. And Pluto is the planet. It's still a planet in astrology. That is the alchemist, it's the transformer. Wherever it goes, it takes a very long time. It takes 250 years to go through all the signs. So it returned to Aquarius last year in 2023, for the first time since the 1700s. And so the last time I was in Aquarius, we got the Constitution, we got the French Revolution, the Haitian Revolution, we got the US Mint, and yeah. So then now it's back in Aquarius and we have all these disruptions and all these Aquarian. Like, Pluto is like, this is why I can get obsessed. You can get obsessed with astrology because you can track these cycles. Like, Pluto comes in and it. It creates this destruction. But then it was Pluto until last year. Pluto last year moved out of Capricorn and into Aquarius. So it was in. Let me back up.
- [47:08]
B
Holy shit. Okay, this is so confusing.
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A
So we can also look. The planets are always moving, so where they are in the sky is also how astrologers make predictions. So because Pluto stays in a sign for 15 to 20 years, you can see these cycles.
- [47:24]
B
So we were in Pluto up until.
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A
Last year, we're in Pluto, and Pluto is always in a sign. Pluto was in Capricorn from 2008 to 2000. And it's finishing it up. It's like this year for a little bit. But why that's interesting is because Capricorn is a sign that rules banks, the government, the economy, 2008, we get a black president, life, you know, historical. We get the crash and all the bank bailouts. So when Pluto changes signs, it's a big deal. So Pluto moved into Aquarius last year? Last year for a little bit. And then we got the Hollywood writers strike because of AI and like, AI is very Aquarian. It's very sci fi. So also just social justice. All the campuses and the protests and what happened, you know, like, whatever your feelings are on it, it's just a hallmark of Pluto. And Aquarius is very like, ah, all this intense stuff happening with the campus activism. Like what's. Do people know what they're doing here? Do they know what they're talking? You know, so Pluto, it really messes stuff up when it changes signs. And so we're in this, like. And so it was in Aquarius and then literally September 1st, it moved back to Capricorn, where it will be for the rest of the election. So it's finishing out. We started with Obama. I don't know who we're gonna end with. It's just people are like, who would you predict is gonna win? I'm like, I have no freaking idea.
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B
Right. You don't make predictions.
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A
You know, we do, but I can't with this one. I could not even tell you why. Because there's so much Aquarius and Capricorn. There's, like, progressive and old guard, like, are both, like, this swirl that is just like. I don't know. I just can't. I'm not picking up anything. And like, this is.
- [49:17]
B
What predictions have you made that came true?
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A
Well, we actually predicted an assassination attempt of Donald Trump. We didn't say who, but in our book. And we predicted a third party candidate disrupting the election. And I actually predicted in July that RFK would support Trump.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah. I have it on my Instagram on July 11, so.
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B
Of last year.
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A
Of this year. But. So it wasn't that shocking. But still, it was like, people were not expecting that. So.
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B
So because he came on board to supporting Trump when, like, just like, August 22nd. Yeah. Like, six weeks in advance.
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A
Yeah.
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B
How did you figure that one out?
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A
I looked at his chart and I saw. Cause he's a Capricorn. I saw Pluto was gonna be over his son, and I was like. Cause this is where astrology gets. We can see where the planets are now versus where they are when you were born. And I was like, oh, he's. He's got some things hidden there that he's not. I don't know. It's more of a. He was gonna go where the power was or where he felt it was, and it was just, like, interesting.
- [50:22]
B
So do you then believe that he's not as sincere as he claims to be?
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A
Yeah, I think there's. Yeah. I mean, I think that nobody really knew what was going on. Yeah.
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B
So I was blown away by that.
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A
You were?
- [50:37]
B
Yeah. Well, just because I'm like, wow. Like, this is. He was so anti.
- [50:41]
A
Right, right, right.
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B
And then all of a sudden, he's like, I'm promoting, like, I'm supporting Trump. Huh?
- [50:45]
A
I know. That was like. It just didn't.
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B
It didn't. It was not. There was a disconnect for me. Yeah.
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A
And so as an astrology, I mean, you know, without. I'll probably. Probably already confuse the heck out of everyone pro.
- [50:56]
B
They're probably like, are they on acid? Are they on, like, I Wish. Yeah, exactly. Tell me other predictions that you've made that came true.
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A
We actually predicted a Black Swan event and in 2020, so we write a book every year and with predictions, I predicted the Trad wife. The trad what? The trad wife trend. Do you know about that?
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B
No.
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A
The traditional, like a couple years ago, there's like this I am a traditional wife thing going on. It's like it stands for traditional life. Like these younger women who are like, I cook and I clean and I'm the perfect, you know, wifey, 1950s housewife, ballerina farms kind of thing. But I saw that happening because Jupiter was going into Taurus, which is this very conservative energy. And I was like, this is going to. I look back at past historical cycles and you see these patterns. That's what's so crazy. It's like what happens repeats itself. That's why I'm like, are we all in a Sims? And I'm going to sound like I'm on acid, but whatever, I'm not. But maybe we're just all in a Sims game, you know, here on this planet, you know?
- [52:06]
B
So then what happened? That. That Trad's wife became like a whole thing?
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A
Yeah, I was like. I was like, shocked. It was kind of like this backlashy.
- [52:14]
B
Is it except for wives a little.
- [52:17]
A
Bit or just these younger women who are kind of going back to these very like, traditional, traditional housewife values.
- [52:25]
B
Is it still happening?
- [52:26]
A
It is happening still right now. I don't know if you've heard of Nara Smith. She's like, my husband wanted gumballs, so I decided to make them. You've got us. These are fascinating. I don't, you know, I'm a rabbit hole. Yeah. She is a Instagrammer and she's. Her and her husband were both models. They're in their 20s, they have like two or three kids. Very good looking couple. But she just like makes the most ridiculous things like that you could just go to the store and buy, you.
- [52:54]
B
Know, she makes gumballs.
- [52:56]
A
She made gumballs. She makes these elaborate dishes, but also the most random things.
- [53:02]
B
Really? Yes, I know. This is like a rabbit hole that I'm like fascinated by. So you make. You. You have a whole thing on predictions then.
- [53:10]
A
Yeah, we do do predictions. We predicted the Bieber baby too, at the beginning of the year.
- [53:16]
B
Really?
- [53:17]
A
As well. Oh, we predicted the Benefruit breakup as well.
- [53:19]
B
You did?
- [53:20]
A
Y. My book right here.
- [53:22]
B
This book?
- [53:22]
A
Yes.
- [53:23]
B
Okay, guys, the book that she's referring to is not the book I'm holding.
- [53:25]
A
I know this Is this is.
- [53:27]
B
She has the astrology advantage that's coming. That's out with her sister. But she also has another book that's called horoscope 2024.
- [53:34]
A
Yeah, I'm working on 2025. Getting it off to the printer now.
- [53:38]
B
So are you telling me this entire book is all predictions? No.
- [53:42]
A
The beginning. Yes, it is. For each sign, it's like the five themes every sign needs to know for the year.
- [53:49]
B
Why, by the way, this is like literally the pink elephant. Like the red herring. Why? Or not the red. The. When the. You're burying the lead. I should say. So why are you not telling me about this book? You're pitching and talking about the other book.
- [54:02]
A
Well, we should. I'll come back on and talk to you about 2025.
- [54:05]
B
This is interesting. So, okay, so make some predictions that on this. On this podcast, we predicted electric cars.
- [54:12]
A
Picking up mid year too. And the Rivian is doing really well. Saul. And we've looked at the trend report.
- [54:16]
B
I actually heard that the Rivian is in big, big trouble.
- [54:19]
A
Is it okay? I thought their stock went way up.
- [54:21]
B
When can we check? Can we check that? Yeah, we can check right now. I want to know because someone told me that they're not doing so great. Yeah, I'd like to know.
- [54:29]
A
And by the way, I'm not always right.
- [54:31]
B
You're not always. I was gonna say thank you for being honest.
- [54:34]
A
I just tell. I mean, I know how the planets in astrology work, but can you tell me? We have free will. We don't always. You're not gonna just always be an authority?
- [54:43]
B
Of course not.
- [54:43]
A
Yeah.
- [54:44]
B
So how often are you right and how often are you wrong?
- [54:48]
A
You know, I try to stay away from writing too much stuff that's right and wrong and just give people a lot of inspirational content. But I don't know. I have to think about that actually.
- [55:00]
B
So since this is a book on Virgo. Wait, hold on a second.
- [55:04]
A
Well, it's a book on all the signs.
- [55:05]
B
I know, I know, but I'm saying a book on my. I'm just talking. I'm very narcissistic today.
- [55:09]
A
Venus and Leo. Hello. Now we see it.
- [55:12]
B
I was saying like in the Virgos. Well, can you predict anything for Virgos this year?
- [55:19]
A
Yeah, so Virgos are having a little bit of a challenging year because Saturn is in your opposite sign of Pisces, Saturn is opposite your sun. So everything just may feel a little bit heavy. You may find yourself drawn to being, you know, doing things that are a little more. More serious than normal. And maybe getting pushback from people's results.
- [55:43]
B
Like, interesting.
- [55:44]
A
It's not really a popularity here. It's. But I'm. You know, it's like, Blake Lively is a Virgo, for example, and she's getting kind of like, why is she getting slammed by the.
- [55:54]
B
I'm still confused by it. What happened with her?
- [55:57]
A
Apparently she has. And God knows she's probably done so many more interviews. I don't know her. So I know what people are saying is that she is traditionally, like, a rude and a bully to reporters who interview her. Like, she makes inappropriate jokes. So she was in this movie about domestic violence, and people are like, well, what should people know? And she was like, grab your girlfriends. Wear your florals. Like, And I don't get it.
- [56:26]
B
What do you mean, grab your girlfriend?
- [56:27]
A
Like, she was making it kind of. She was trying to promote her tequila, like, her drink, and. But it was like, a serious subject. Like, reporters were asking her about domestic violence and what she would tell people. And she said something like, I don't know, like, should I give them my name, my ad, my address, my location tracker? Like, kind of making these weird.
- [56:49]
B
Why would she say that?
- [56:50]
A
I don't know. She does that. She makes, like, weird jokes. And maybe it's a nervous thing, you.
- [56:55]
B
Know, But I saw there's, like, so much stuff on that I could. But I couldn't decipher. I know.
- [57:00]
A
I just had to decipher it the other. I was like, what the heck is going on?
- [57:03]
B
I'm confused by. I'm still confused. So, like, she got pushed back that people thought that she was rude and just tone deaf to the situation.
- [57:10]
A
Yeah. And a reporter said. Interviewed her when she was, like, eight months pregnant, said, congratulations on your little bump. And she says to the reporter, congratulations on your little bum. But she wasn't pregnant, so it was like, a fat shame. And the reporter wasn't even. You know, so she just makes these weird.
- [57:28]
B
Maybe she's just quirky and strange.
- [57:30]
A
I think she is. But it doesn't land. It doesn't be funny. But it just comes across as is, like, inappropriate. Yeah. And then she just like. But she's also. She has been rude. Like, after that, she was with Parker Posey, and they just talked to each other and ignored the reporter. So she's done that a few times, too.
- [57:49]
B
So I didn't know that. You know what's so funny about life is that a. I'm living under a rock. But besides that is that it's interesting how I never heard any of this Stuff. And now because one thing went kind of like viral all of a sudden. Now she's like the worst human being alive.
- [58:05]
A
Well, then Pluto in Aquarius, like people can really be destroyed by social media with Pluto in Aquarius, I think we're gonna have to have a reckoning around that.
- [58:15]
B
So right now. So I'm in a year, I'm gonna make a little note.
- [58:18]
A
You're in a little bit of a tough time with Saturn opposite your sun. It's really forcing you to maybe work harder. You said you're exhausted, you're probably more tired. You don't have the, like, you have to work harder to get your energy source up right now.
- [58:33]
B
Yeah. And then. Okay, so where am I in relation? Where is Virgo? Not me, whatever. Virgo in relationships.
- [58:42]
A
Thankfully, Pluto is ending this like 16 year tour through your romance house, where it's been. I feel like things for Virgo, like Saturn. Yeah. Relationships have also been a little bit heavy though, because Saturn is in your marriage and partnership house. So it's just kind of like needing to make the time and space for relationships, but not totally having the energy or the desire to.
- [59:07]
B
So if I go into this book right now under Virgo, what would it say about relationships?
- [59:13]
A
Probably that there's. I haven't looked at it for a while because I'm working on 2025, but I wrote this in 2023. No problem. If you go to the Virgo part.
- [59:23]
B
Would it say that we have a hard. Would it say Virgos are having a hard time this year?
- [59:28]
A
It would say that relationships might be an area that feels heavy for you. It would say, I think, what did I predict? But careers now there's some good career stuff happening since May.
- [59:45]
B
Since May. Okay, so it says top five themes for Virgo in 2024 is broaden your reach. Why GoPro?
- [59:54]
A
GoPro? Yes.
- [59:55]
B
GoPro like, like GoPro like become like a hooker or GoPro like wear a GoPro?
- [60:03]
A
No, it means Jupiter, the planet of abundance is at the top of your chart in your career house. So it's like professionalize everything that you do, which you've already done.
- [60:13]
B
That's actually a very good point. I like that. Be fluid with relationships.
- [60:18]
A
Yes. Okay, so Saturn in Pisces and Neptune. Yeah. Like you may not be able to control every aspect of relationships right now and you have to let yourself flow with it. Yeah. And maybe some new structures are needed.
- [60:34]
B
I love this make green glamorous.
- [60:37]
A
That is about echo chic healthy eating, which you do already, but bringing some glam to It. Yes.
- [60:44]
B
God knows I need that. Manage your resource, your resources strategically. Like that. Money.
- [60:50]
A
Yeah, money, investment, time and energy too. Like your physical resources as well.
- [60:56]
B
And what did you say brought in your reach was for?
- [60:59]
A
That was. Jupiter and Uranus were together in your international 9th house in the first part of the year. They made this really rare connection and could have brought some global things. Well, of course you're going to Israel and doing all this work that. Oh, that's start.
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B
That's actually interesting.
- [61:16]
A
Does it start in April?
- [61:18]
B
I went to Israel in May. Okay.
- [61:21]
A
April 20th was this big.
- [61:23]
B
May 4th.
- [61:24]
A
Okay, well, right around there. Yeah. Of course this global interest is coming. Yeah. Your international work is kicking up since then. And Jupiter and Uranus are the humanitarians.
- [61:37]
B
I wonder if this is interesting. Okay, so then you're. So you make. So can you make a prediction? Forget about me. I mean, I mean, I'll ask you when we off this computer, off this podcast, but can you make any predictions now that you haven't made before? I want something fresh that I can share with my audience.
- [61:58]
A
Yeah, let me think about that. I was, you know, I've been thinking about that. Next year is really interesting because the outer planets, which don't change signs very often. Like, it can be like 7 to 20 years sometimes all of them are moving forward, one sign for a little bit of time and then moving back. So next year is like this, you know, like, I feel it's going to be a very disorienting year for us all where we're like, I think we're going to have some event that occurs that really forces us to get serious about climate change. Like climate active, like working together, like as, as a, as a human race. In the middle of the year, sometime between April and October, like the middle of the year, there's like this really, like.
- [62:57]
B
Yeah, really could be more specific.
- [63:01]
A
It could be. It could be another Hurricane Katrina type thing. It could even be a nuclear event. It could be something like shockingly getting washed away or, you know, like, like.
- [63:15]
B
A big, not a weather thing, but like a big world.
- [63:18]
A
Yeah.
- [63:19]
B
Like, what would you call that?
- [63:21]
A
I mean, not necessarily a pandemic again, but like a cataclysmic kind of event of sorts. I don't mean to be apocalyptic, but.
- [63:29]
B
It could also be like between April and.
- [63:31]
A
Or it could just be this disruptive technology that comes in even beyond AI that just, you know, let me actually reframe it in a positive way. There could be some groundbreaking technology that comes in that helps us reverse some of the Impacts of climate change. I think we're going to see a lot of incredible innovations and next year could bring one that just like completely changes the way we do things the way the Internet did.
- [64:00]
B
Interesting. Okay, can you be more specific with something else? Like I want something much more. I know specific. I don't like.
- [64:06]
A
Give me a minute here.
- [64:08]
B
Stuff I'd like to know. I want hard.
- [64:10]
A
You're putting me on the spot here.
- [64:12]
B
Yes. That's what we do around here. Okay. And I'm looking here.
- [64:15]
A
Let me think about that for a minute. It's funny, I'm. That's literally this is the time of year that I'm going to be doing that. So yes, cloning next year is going to be a thing. We're going to see a weird intense developments around cloning. Whether it's AI cloning or actual cloning.
- [64:37]
B
Yes, cloning of people.
- [64:39]
A
Could be cloning of people. We may figure out how to do that. Uranus, the science sci fi planet, is moving into Gemini for the first time since 1941-49. And we're at a point with, you know, Gemini's assigned to the twins. So we're gonna. It's gonna be interesting. I might not be the only twin in town.
- [64:58]
B
I was gonna say, is there gonna be another Jennifer?
- [65:00]
A
I already have a clone. It's not so bad actually. That's kind of handy. They can write for you.
- [65:05]
B
I was gonna say it can be very beneficial in a lot of ways.
- [65:08]
A
Let me think if there's any. Let me think about other stuff. Well, there will. I think that unfortunately there's going to be more war next year too. Let me think of some good news stuff. But it's.
- [65:19]
B
No, I want. I want the truth.
- [65:20]
A
Oh, I have a prediction for next year.
- [65:22]
B
Okay.
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A
And I know I heard Jerome Powell say that the interest rates are going to go down, but on June 9 next year, Jupiter, which is abundance and luck, is going to cancer. That rules residential real estate. So I think we're going to see things opening up in the residential real estate market again.
- [65:40]
B
Opening up in house, more people being.
- [65:42]
A
Able to afford housing more. You know, a lot of boomers aren't selling their houses. You know, there's like.
- [65:50]
B
So you're a limit.
- [65:51]
A
Like there's not as much inventory available. So I think we may see some, I don't know, just people wanting to sell and especially when interest rates go down.
- [66:03]
B
So you're saying that the housing market will open up and when after June.
- [66:08]
A
Of next year, middle of the year, second half of the year if you want to. And it does. It does dovetail with when interest rates are going down.
- [66:18]
B
So you're saying interest rates will go down then, too?
- [66:20]
A
I do. Yes. I do think so. But that's also what Jerome Powell did say that. So he said second half of the year, and I was like, oh, how interesting, because. Yeah.
- [66:30]
B
And so if someone wants to buy a Rivian, would you suggest they buy a Rivian if the stock is going up? Even though I don't think it is, I would just. I would lease it. I would.
- [66:39]
A
I would. Or I would just buy stock in it while it's low. Right now, it might go up.
- [66:44]
B
Have you bought stock in it?
- [66:45]
A
I haven't, but a friend of mine did, and after my prediction, she said it went up, but I guess it's gone down now.
- [66:51]
B
So this is so interesting. Well, maybe you'll just come back and tell me about your 2025 stock.
- [66:56]
A
Yeah, I'll have. I'll have a whole trend report written.
- [66:59]
B
Oh, perfect. Okay. Well, guys, her book with her twin is called Astrology Advantage, and they are the Astro Twins. And this is Tally, and her other book is called the astrology guide to 2024. She's now writing her 2025.
- [67:14]
A
Yep. The Astro Twins 2024 horoscope. Yep.
- [67:17]
B
Yes, you heard it here first. And you can also follow them on Instagram. What's your Instagram?
- [67:21]
A
AstroTwins. Yes.
- [67:23]
B
I love that. Okay, thank you so much for being on the podcast. So fun.
- [67:26]
A
I also do readings.
- [67:28]
B
You do?
- [67:28]
A
You can book a reading from Instagram.
- [67:30]
B
Yeah, amazing.
- [67:31]
A
Because if someone wants their whole chart done, we can go through it just like we did for you.
- [67:36]
B
I know we haven't even finished it, by the way, but I don't bore everyone with all the details here. But thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
- [67:42]
A
Oh, so fun.
- [67:43]
B
So fun you. So good to meet you. Bye.