Episode 446: Kris Gethin: The Truth about Fiber + Biohacks That Actually Reverse Aging

Summary

Podcast Summary: Habits and Hustle – Episode 446: Kris Gethin: The Truth about Fiber + Biohacks That Actually Reverse Aging

Host: Jennifer Cohen
Guest: Kris Gethin, Founder of Unmatched Supplement and the Dramatic Transformation Principle
Release Date: May 2, 2025

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1. Introduction to Fiber Importance

Timestamp [00:01] – [02:37]

The episode opens with Kris Gethin addressing a critical nutritional gap in the American diet: fiber deficiency. Highlighting that 95% of Americans are not getting enough fiber, Kris emphasizes fiber's essential role in gut health, digestion, energy levels, and weight management.

"Fiber is key to our gut health, digestion, energy, and even our weight management." – Kris Gethin [00:01]

Kris underscores the often-overlooked importance of fiber compared to the prevalent focus on protein in dietary conversations.

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2. Protein vs. Fiber: Gut Health

Timestamp [02:38] – [04:13]

Kris discusses the pitfalls of the protein-centric diet popular in America, pointing out that much of the consumed protein is from processed sources like hot dogs and burgers. These sources can lead to protein fermentation in the gut, causing digestive issues.

"Fiber should always come first... you don't have to have such a huge amount of protein just to be satisfied for muscle gaining purposes." – Kris Gethin [04:13]

He advocates for prioritizing fiber intake to ensure proper digestion and nutrient absorption, suggesting that fiber enhances the body’s ability to absorb protein more efficiently.

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3. Reversing Biological Age: Overview

Timestamp [04:13] – [05:35]

Jennifer Cohen steers the conversation towards aging, expressing interest in Kris's methods for reversing biological age. Kris shares a holistic approach, emphasizing lifestyle modifications alongside advanced biohacks.

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4. Specific Biohacks to Reverse Aging

a. Peptides and Rapamycin

Timestamp [05:57] – [06:46]

Kris introduces epitalon, a peptide known to prevent telomere shortening, which is pivotal in aging. He recommends taking epitalon twice a year and discusses its benefits compared to other substances like metformin and rapamycin.

"Taking epitalon twice a year will help with the prevention of the shortening of your telomeres." – Kris Gethin [05:57]

He also mentions rapamycin, advising a dosage of 5 grams per week, while noting its fringe status and comparing its invasiveness to gene therapy.

b. Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT)

Timestamp [07:09] – [09:10]

Kris highlights the benefits of hyperbaric oxygen therapy, which aids in the recuperation and healing of organs. He credits HBOT as a significant factor in reducing his biological age.

"Hyperbaric oxygen really helps with the healing of all of our organs." – Kris Gethin [07:09]

c. Meditation Retreats

Timestamp [09:16] – [12:22]

A pivotal moment in Kris's biohacking journey was attending a 10-day silent Vipassana meditation retreat. This intensive meditation practice profoundly impacted his stress levels and biological aging.

"Attending a Vipassana silent retreat was probably the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do, but it significantly lowered my stress levels." – Kris Gethin [09:43]

He describes the retreat's structure, emphasizing prolonged periods of meditation and minimal interaction, which fostered a state of equanimity and reduced cortisol levels.

d. EBO2 Blood Cleaning

Timestamp [12:22] – [14:37]

Kris shares his experience with EBO2, a blood purification treatment that filters out toxins, mycotoxins, and microplastics from the blood. He notes noticeable improvements in brain clarity and sleep quality post-treatment.

"After EBO2, I experienced less brain fog and better sleep quality." – Kris Gethin [13:34]

e. NAD IVs vs. Oral Supplements

Timestamp [14:37] – [15:01]

Kris critiques NAD IVs, citing concerns about high-dose administration potentially feeding cancer cells. Instead, he recommends oral supplements like NAD Regen, which combine NAD with other supportive nutrients for safer, sustained benefits.

"I prefer a trickle dose of NAD through oral supplements rather than high-dose IVs." – Kris Gethin [15:01]

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5. Lifestyle Factors Influencing Biological Age

a. Sleep

Kris attributes significant impact on his biological aging to improved sleep quality. Addressing previous issues like mold toxicity, he emphasizes the fundamental role of sleep in longevity.

"Sleep was the biggest thing for me. I wasn’t sleeping enough, and once I improved my sleep, my biological age reduced significantly." – Kris Gethin [07:10]

b. Stress Management

Through practices like meditation and maintaining a calm mindset, Kris has effectively managed stress, crucial for reducing cortisol levels and promoting longevity.

"Looking at things in perfect equanimity helps lower stress levels." – Kris Gethin [08:18]

c. EMF Mitigation

Kris incorporates EMF mitigating devices in his daily routine to protect against electromagnetic fields, which he believes contribute to biological aging.

"I have EMF mitigating devices and always carry a defender shield to protect from dirty electricity." – Kris Gethin [09:43]

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6. Conclusion and Key Takeaways

Kris Gethin provides a comprehensive approach to reducing biological age, blending traditional lifestyle practices with cutting-edge biohacks. Key strategies include:

• Prioritizing Fiber Intake: Essential for gut health and nutrient absorption.
• Utilizing Peptides and Rapamycin: To prevent cellular aging.
• Engaging in Intensive Meditation: To manage stress and promote mental clarity.
• Undergoing Blood Purification Treatments: Such as EBO2 for toxin removal.
• Adopting Safe NAD Supplementation: Preferably through oral means.
• Ensuring Quality Sleep: A cornerstone for longevity.
• Mitigating EMF Exposure: To reduce environmental stressors.

Kris emphasizes that while some biohacks require significant commitment and investment, the synergistic effect of combining these practices can lead to substantial improvements in health and longevity.

"Measure your biological age with telomeres, methylation, and other biomarkers, and track it annually to ensure you’re making progress." – Kris Gethin [08:38]

For listeners aspiring to lead a fulfilled and extended life, Kris Gethin's insights offer a roadmap integrating science-backed strategies with practical lifestyle adjustments.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisement segments and focuses solely on the content-rich discussions between Jennifer Cohen and Kris Gethin.

Transcript

[A]

Hi, guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it. Today on Fitness Friday, we have fitness expert Chris Gethin. And he reveals why fiber, not protein, is the nutrient 95% of Americans are missing. He also shares how he hacked his biological age down to 26 using peptides, hyperbaric oxygen, and a 10 day silent meditation. He is the founder of Unmatched Supplement and the dramatic transformation Principle. Chris delivers powerful longevity hacks that go way beyond supplements. So let's dive in. Before we jump into today's interview, a quick word from our sponsor, Biome. Did you know 95% of us aren't getting enough fiber? That's a big deal because fiber is key to our gut, health, digestion, energy, and even our weight management. And that's why I'm excited to share Biome's daily prebiotic fiber with you. It has 8 grams of fiber per serving, plus prebiotics to support your gut. It's an easy and tasty way to close that fiber gap in your diet. You can mix it into smoothies or yogurt. There's flavors like chocolate or unflavored versions. It's both simple and enjoyable. And I love how easy it is to fit into your busy routine. And it's perfect for when you travel as well, which is why I always take it with me in my bag. If you want to make fiber a part of your daily routine, and I suggest you do, head to Bio Me and use code JENNIFER20 for 20% off. Your first order. That's B I O, dot me and code JENNIFER20for 20% off. Now let's dive into today's episode. I just did a podcast yesterday about this because one of the girls who was on my podcast, besides doing a lot of other things, she founded this company called Biomy, which is this, like, fiber supplement, right? Which, you know, she sent me a bunch of it because I didn't realize that she said that 95% of Americans are not getting enough fiber in their diet.

[B]

Yeah, correct.

[A]

And it's such an important macronutrient. I find it interesting because right now it's super trendy to talk about protein and people are not talking about fiber. But fiber is so important to your, to your diet, to your, your diet plan.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, 100%. The Americans in particular focus, like you said, so much on protein. Now, that's not always clean protein. It could be like, you know, hot dogs, for instance. You know, it's going to be some sort of processed protein or burgers. But the thing is, when you're having protein now, that ferments in your, in your gut, in your colon, and that can cause issues. That's why it is essential to have fiber to ensure that you're cleaning this out constantly. So fiber should always come first. That's why I have clients eat that first from their plate. You know, ensure that you're, you know, getting the rainbow, for instance. But not everybody wants to eat vegetables. Okay. Then you supplement with fiber. That's gonna be the next best thing. Much like a lot of people are deficient in, let's say, magnesium, nearly everybody is deficient in fiber. You know, that should always be a priority. Not first, not your protein. Because if you're taking in, let's say you're cleaning out your, your colon, then of course your body is going to absorb so much more of that protein anyway. So you don't have to have such a huge amount of protein just to be satisfied for, let's say muscle gaining purposes. It's what you absorb that matters, not what you take in. And you'll absorb so much more when you have more fib. New diet?

[A]

Yeah, exact. That's why I'm glad that you mentioned that, because we don't hear that every day. We hear a lot about protein. We kind of it like this is the, this is the world we live in. Right. It's all about social media and people, you know, glom onto something and that becomes the bible and, and then forget about everything else. Right. Okay. I wanted to ask you about basically reversing your biological age because you said you talk a lot about that at these, these conferences. So I know what you're going to say already. I mean, sleep incredibly important, right. Eating enough fiber, obviously, exercising. What are some ways we can reverse what's like the best ways we can, besides what I just said, we can reverse our biological age.

[B]

Yeah. So there's a, there's a few things if we're going to be talking about, you know, what we can do in everyday life. I like to try to look at things in equanimity. So I'm not trying to be so judgmental or reactory. That's one thing. Number two, put down the phone more. Bookend your day. Don't use it for a good hour in the morning and don't use it for an hour before bed. Cause you're constantly releasing dopamine all the time. And with that dopamine a lot of the time comes cortisol. And that cortisol is a hormone that can lead to heart disease, stress. And then that will shorten our lifespan. And of course, there's other things that we can talk about as well.

[A]

Talk about all that you don't have to talk about. Like, I want you to talk about, like, things that you've seen scientifically or through your. The lens of your world that actually do reverse biologically. Like, you can. You can. It doesn't. It could be any biohack. It could be whatever I want things that, like, in your opinion, actually reverse your biological age.

[B]

Okay. All right. So we were talking about injectables earlier. So epitalon, the peptide, epitalon, some of your listeners may have heard of that. Taking that a couple of times a year will help with the prevention of the shorten. Shortening of your telomeres that has been shown. So epitalon twice a year. And then, of course, there's people out there do metformin. Metformin could be a good alternative. Unless they can get that. Unless they're taking like, dihydroberberine, for instance. Metformin is gonna be a little stronger. Rapamycin, by the way.

[A]

Oh, I was going to ask you about that. Okay.

[B]

Rapamycin. Yeah. So rapamycin, taking 5 grams of that per week. So you basically take 5 tablets, 5 tablets once a week of rapamycin. That's. That's another thing.

[A]

How does that work? I saw that on some. Wasn't Brian Johnson was saying that and it was like, isn't it kind of. There's not enough. There's not enough like, data on that is. Can it be dangerous or.

[B]

I don't think it can be dangerous, but yeah, it is fringe. There's. There's no doubt about it. You know, I know he does gene therapy as well. I wouldn't say it's as dangerous as the potential of gene therapy. You know, that's a lot more invasive.

[A]

True.

[B]

You know, hyperbaric oxygen, we've shown, you know, that really helps with the recuperation and the healing of all of our organs. So I'd say hyperbaric oxygen, if you can throw that in there. You know, the one thing that I'd say. I've been able to reduce my biological age every year since 2014. It was exceeding my chronological age. And I've reduced it now to 26 years old. And I honestly believe the biggest thing out of all these things that I've just given a shotgun approach to has been sleep. Because I wasn't sleeping before. I was sleeping a few hours a night. I had mold toxicity that I didn't know about but got that cured. And the other thing was just being a lot more, like I said, looking at things in equanimity. So I did attend a vipassana, silent retreat where you are, you know, you can't make eye contact. You know, you don't take anything in to read, you certainly don't have your phone. It's just you. And you don't make eye contact with anybody else. You're meditating from 6:00 in the morning till 8:00 in the evening. You have two breaks. You know, on the fifth day most people leave because it is so difficult because your thoughts are coming into your head, you know, all the stresses from the past, all the worries about the future. But if you really stick it out, that was probably the hardest thing that I've ever had to do. But then after a while all these emotions just come above and you look at everything in perfect equanimity where you're not judging yourself or anybody else and you're able to really lower your stress levels. And obviously, you know, you're looking at everything in a much calmer state and you're in a parasympathetic state. I really think that has been the biggest impact that in sleep for reducing my biological age, you know, and of course you can measure your biological age with telomeres, methylation, the Horvath cloth glycans, whatever. What I would suggest is that you measure it and then measure it every year to ensure that you're able to bring it down.

[A]

That's amazing. So you basically went on this ten day silent retreat and that was, that's the biggest hack, right, really for your.

[B]

Age, I believe, I believe, you know, like I'll gr, I'll earth every day. You know, I have EMF mitigating devices. I had Brian Heuer come to my house from Shielded Healing to ensure that there wasn't any dirty electricity in the house. You know, I have one of those defender shield fanny packs or phone cases on me at all times. So there are certain hacks that I do as well as that, but I think those were the two biggest. You know you can't buy that, right?

[A]

You can't. That was what I was going to say. Like you had to do the actual hard work of doing it that wasn't for sale because that's hard to do.

[B]

Very, very difficult. Like I said, the majority of people don't stick it out.

[A]

So how many, how long were the breaks like in this? If every day, how long did you get for a break.

[B]

So you had 30 minutes in the morning at around, I think it was like 10:00, 10:30. Then there was another one about 1:00 for an hour. And then you'd have another one in the evening, about 6:00. For about 30 minutes. For 30 minutes.

[A]

So what time did they make you start?

[B]

The 6:00 in the morning and you finish at 8:00 in the evening.

[A]

So what are you doing when you're doing these? Basically when you're doing these 14 hour meditations a day with only a couple breaks, where are you doing it? Are you on a mountaintop? Are you in a room by yourself? Like where are you?

[B]

Yeah. So they have them all around the world, but I did it in Idaho, which was about a five hour drive from here. And yeah, you're in the middle of nowhere, but you're actually in a hall. You have a place where obviously you stay and then you walk about five minutes to the actual hall where everybody is within this hall in meditation. You'll have a guided meditation to begin with. So SN Gwenka is the person who, who started the Vipassana retreats. He's based out of India. He's passed away now, but that's carried on. It's just grown and grown and grown. So you start off with the guided meditation but then you go into your own silence and that's the most difficult thing because you have no distraction. We're so used to some type of distraction, whether it be noise, whether it be light or interaction or reading, answering, et cetera. So it's very difficult to be alone with your own thoughts. But I think it's absolutely essential, particularly in the environment that we live in today. Like I remember when I came out, when I drove back, I noticed everything that I didn't notice on the way there. I'm looking at the clouds, the mountaintops. When I was walking to and from the hall the last few days now I'm hearing the wind, I'm noticing the grass. Just different things like that that you just never notice and you take for granted. But I remember having to stop in a gas station and just hearing the music and people in there. It took a long time to kind of get back to civilization because, you know, we're just so used to the artificial lights. We're so used to the noise and the distraction, especially with our phones today, that I think it's just releasing too much cortisol and too much dopamine.

[A]

Totally agree. Are you on this rapamycin do you take it?

[B]

Yes. Once a week.

[A]

Once a week. And do you take this epitalin peptide to shorten your telomeres?

[B]

Twice a year.

[A]

Twice a year. So you do all of these things. Hyperbaric. Have you tried gene therapy?

[B]

No, I haven't tried gene therapy. I'm not willing to do that just yet.

[A]

Yeah, you know, I'll do.

[B]

I've done EBO2. I don't know if you know what EBO2 is. I think may do it at his clinic. I've done it in London a couple of times where it completely cleans your blood. It'll separate your plasma from the blood, so it'll get rid of, like, mycotoxins, microplastics, any toxicity that you'll have in your blood. So you've actually got an IV in your left arm, IV in your right arm. It takes about 19 minutes, I believe, to completely filter your entire body. And you actually can see in a vat what comes out. If, for instance, that you, you know, you've got obviously a lot of toxicity buildup. You see it there. Luckily, when I did it, it wasn't that bad. As my friend Tim Gray, who puts on a health optimization summit, when he did it, I was like, okay, that's pretty bad. But luckily mine wasn't as bad. But he lives in London, I live in Boise. You know, maybe that's something to do with it.

[A]

Wow. So did you feel. After you got that done, did you feel different? Did you feel more. I don't know, did you feel healthier? Did you feel cleaner? Did you feel like less brain fog? More alert?

[B]

That's what I was going to say. Less brain fog. And I was able to sleep better. The quality of my sleep increased. You know, obviously a lot of us measure our sleep, and I noticed that my sleep got better and I had better brain clarity. Kind of like, not like a nootropic, but somebody had just kind of brushed out all the cobwebs in my brain.

[A]

And so is that dangerous?

[B]

No, I don't believe so. Because you still, you know, you've still got your healthy, you know, your blood cells, your plasma put back in, you know, So I don't believe it is. It's just cleaning out all the toxicity.

[A]

Does it hurt?

[B]

No, absolutely fine. It's like giving blood, you know, I try to give blood every three months as well.

[A]

Wow. Okay. How expensive is it?

[B]

I believe it cost about 1500 pounds, so I'd say probably be $1800.

[A]

Wow. How often should people get that done? Like, how long does it last?

[B]

I guess it all depends on your lifestyle and where you live. Like, if you live a real clean lifestyle, I can't imagine you'd need to do it any more than, you know, you know, once every three or four years. But if you leave, live more of an unhealthy lifestyle, or if you're an environment that is potentially toxic, then probably every year.

[A]

Wow. What's your take on NAD IVs?

[B]

So I'm not into NAD IVs and I'll tell you why. I prefer like a trickle dose. So I will take an oral of a product called NAD regen. Doesn't, doesn't just have NAD3 in it, but it has like resveratrol, it has spermidine, it has vitamin C, it's got a lot of different things in there that helps. Niacinamide. But if you take a high dose, I believe it's like saying at the end of the week, okay, I want you to eat your week's worth of protein. Well, your body's only going to assimilate so much. Not only that, we know that NAD can feed cancer. Can not, not will. It can. Like if you've got a genetic disposition for cancer or maybe it runs in your family, you shouldn't do high dose nad. So I always suggest like a trickle dose, for instance. You know, you could take it orally, you could inject it subcutaneously, like two days on, one day on one day on, one day off, whatever it may be. If you're traveling and you're under a lot more stress, maybe you're going to take it every day. I believe that's the more efficacious way of doing it. I get the majority of my clients to just take the oral format of convenience.