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Fortune Feimster
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May Martin
Friends on the handsome pod. Chatting with friends on the handsome pod.
Tig Notaro
Cheers. Welcome to the handsome, Handsome pond.
Fortune Feimster
We're Tig and Fortune, and we're joined by May Martin.
Tig Notaro
Oh, my gosh, Fortune, as I look at your beautiful, handsome T shirt, I realize I left all of my merchandise in Nashville.
Fortune Feimster
No.
Tig Notaro
Yeah. Yeah. I'm so bombed.
Fortune Feimster
Where did you leave it?
Tig Notaro
In a Nashville?
Fortune Feimster
In a garbage can in the theater.
Tig Notaro
The hotel, I guess. In the theater. Yeah. I think I left it backstage.
May Martin
It looks great on you, Fortune. It looks great.
Fortune Feimster
Look, I'm wearing us on my shirt.
Tig Notaro
Thomas, is there a way I can still get merchandise? Oh, yeah, we can send you some. That's what I like to hear.
Fortune Feimster
Look at that. Well, I'm wearing this, you guys, because today is a very, very special episode in the Hazelnut.
Tig Notaro
Why is that, Podcast?
Fortune Feimster
Well, my friend, today we are celebrating our 100th episode. Can you believe it?
Tig Notaro
That's insanity.
May Martin
I thought we weren't gonna make it past that. First April.
Fortune Feimster
First April. We're at two years in.
Tig Notaro
We've made it past two.
May Martin
Yeah. Congrats, guys.
Fortune Feimster
And we're on shirts.
May Martin
It's one of my longest, healthiest relationships.
Tig Notaro
I know.
May Martin
And.
Fortune Feimster
And I feel like we just keep getting stronger and better and our communications improved and.
Tig Notaro
Yes. Did we have bad communication?
Fortune Feimster
Well, we communicate a lot now. More than we did two years ago.
Tig Notaro
That's true.
May Martin
We would be good candidates now if we wanted to try a triad in our lives. Cause we're really good now at, like a three way relationship, I think.
Fortune Feimster
Wait, what is a triad? It's a threesome.
Tig Notaro
A throuple.
May Martin
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
That's what a triad is.
May Martin
Yeah, a triad.
Tig Notaro
What about a triathlon?
May Martin
That's something else.
Tig Notaro
We could each take on one different part of the athlon.
Fortune Feimster
That is definitely different than a thruffle in a.
May Martin
In a. What's a triathlon again? Biking, swimming, running.
Tig Notaro
Yes.
May Martin
Oh, it's all cardio.
Fortune Feimster
I don't want to do any of them.
May Martin
No. Can I lift a little weight?
Fortune Feimster
You Won't be in a triathlon, but you sure can.
Tig Notaro
You can do. Yeah, you can stand around and flex.
Fortune Feimster
I think you would prefer to be in a throuple than a triathlon.
May Martin
Do you guys. Are you surprised by how I. I mean, I'm surprised by. Not that I didn't know it would be great, this podcast, but it's become so big and beautiful.
Tig Notaro
Yes.
May Martin
What a community.
Tig Notaro
Right. When I think that it's not as popular or big, then I go somewhere else. And then. I don't know. I don't. I'm shocked every. I guess that's all I'm saying. I'm shocked every time. I'm shocked that people listen. Who listens to and what they get out of it. The different ages, the demographics, all of it. I'm just like, oh, my Lord, it's such a fun treat to unwrap each time.
May Martin
And how well everybody knows us now. Like, we. Because in two years, we've all been through life changes and talked about it, and it really is like, I feel like people really know us. It's nice. I feel like I know you guys a lot better.
Tig Notaro
Yeah, for sure.
Fortune Feimster
Because when we started this, all of us were friends, but there were a lot of things we didn't know about each other.
Tig Notaro
Yes. Yes. And we've had some giggly times. We've had hard times. We've had really hard times.
May Martin
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
And then we've giggled again.
May Martin
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
You know, it always comes back to the giggles, which I love.
Tig Notaro
Yes.
May Martin
And then we giggled again.
Tig Notaro
Yeah. I. I think that's an interesting opening too. What have we learned about each other that is surprising?
Fortune Feimster
Oh, good question.
May Martin
Thank you.
Tig Notaro
Because I would say it's a lot of it is surprising because the podcast was built on, hey, we're all friends in the comedy world, but we don't know each other deeply well. But we've enjoyed running into each other in the. In the comedy scene. And so we've certainly gotten to know each other's, you know, highs, lows, quirks, and, you know, all of those things.
May Martin
What is surprising, okay, what jumps out for me is like, well, we all have our, you know, you have your kind of stage Persona or whatever, and I guess I always like Fortune. I would say you're. You're so bubbly and self deprecating and stuff. But I. It's been wonderful to also meet this, like, warrior inside you. Like, you are also a very confident, very astute, very driven person. And. And so that's been cool. Like, it's, you know, what I mean, and then Tig, conversely, who. You know, you. You have a high status. Yeah. Take adversely. You're just sitting around. You're insecure, not driven. No, you're. You're. There's like a real softness and sweetness that. I mean, I know I obviously knew that was there but like there's a self deprecating soft sweetness there as well. So I guess it's just the different shades of ourselves that I've. You know, that we're three dimensional people. I guess. Yeah.
Tig Notaro
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
And so what did you think? What did you think was the one dimensional part of us?
May Martin
Well, like the like. I guess. Yeah. Like fortune, like self deprecation and a goofball.
Tig Notaro
Yeah.
May Martin
And you're kind of dry. Dry, wet. And. Yeah. And. And so it's been nice. Yeah. What'd you guys learn about me?
Tig Notaro
Well, you have.
Fortune Feimster
I didn't. You have such a curiosity about things and you're. You're more. You're harder on yourself than I would have ever guessed because I. You when I met you, you seem so confident and you are confident. But um, as we've gotten to know you more, you like riddled with.
Tig Notaro
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
But I do feel like we've. I've seen like a more mature side of you in the last two years. It feels like you've sort of gotten to know yourself better and are more comfortable in your skin and so you're starting to be more confident in. As you should. And I've enjoyed seeing a transformation in you where.
Tig Notaro
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
It just feels like you are coming into your own, which I really like seeing.
May Martin
Oh, I love that.
Tig Notaro
Yeah, I concur. I also, and this is not at all me thinking that marriage and kids or any of that kind of way of life is for everybody. But I have found it really interesting to see you may who. I mean, let's be honest, we all know that you can triathlon all over the place, if you know what I mean. But it feels like in your curiosity and your different paths and journeys and dating and all of that, that I think you've surprised yourself at what you're actually interested in and what you might want in life and I think is also still unfolding, which of course it's unfolding for all of us. But it's been really an interesting thing to watch with you. And also Stephanie and I were talking the other day about this side of you. I guess it goes into the curiosity category but that you really are an artist that is creating and writing and searching and you just cry. But It's.
May Martin
That's so nice.
Tig Notaro
But, you know, this is a business where people can just start churning things out just for the sake of churning things out. And, of course you're churning things out, but you do seem to be thoughtful and doing it for artistic reasons and that you have so much to say and express, and it comes through in writing TV shows or improv or comedy or music. Now.
May Martin
That's so nice. That is actually kind of a recent. Like, I feel like, really in the past year, I've been, like, feeling not as constrained by, like, what medium it takes and being like, yeah, I'll try doing a painting and finding it really rewarding. Yeah, that's so nice.
Tig Notaro
Yeah. That's the other thing is your paintings that you've been doing, there's so many different ways that you're expressing yourself, and I just. Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed. And then I'm also always intrigued by how you just blow to shreds what people might expect from somebody who looks like you or presents in whatever way. And you just have. It is. It's a confidence and a security in your body and your feelings and attractions and. And that's another way of expressing yourself, that it's you. And it's really an interesting side of you.
May Martin
We can end the episode here.
Fortune Feimster
Our little cowboys growing up.
May Martin
That is so nice. That is so nice. But. Well, you can so easily tell yourself stories about who you are, especially if in our jobs, like, we're. We're narrativizing our own identity so much. And. And then people are then further boiling it down to write about you and your work and. And putting stuff on you. So, yeah, it's been. It's been nice to. Yeah. Like, I always was like, I'm bad at relationships. Right. Where I'm like, I'm not good at monogamy and things like that. And now I'm like, yeah, it's situational and. And, yeah, I can. I can really show up for. For people sometimes.
Fortune Feimster
You can't. You can. I think you. I think you did get in the habit, I saw early on with you, of you telling yourself you could or couldn't do things.
May Martin
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
And believing that. And I think you're getting away from that.
May Martin
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
Which you should, because, you know, you. I think, like Tig said, you are surprising yourself.
May Martin
Ah. Love it.
Tig Notaro
Yeah. I mean, it's. It's really, really cool. I had a friend. I mean, I guess I still consider her a friend. I just haven't seen her probably in decades, but she was Very similar in that, like, man, she could write any type. I remember she put out an album of instrumental surf punk Sade covers.
May Martin
What?
Tig Notaro
Yeah, like, she was just, she was so. And she would write plays and musicals. She's in like a heavy metal goth band now. She, she's just, she. She has so much to express and it's just pouring out of her and I wonder if you should meet her.
May Martin
But anyway, but also trying not to get hung up on like, what will sell or what do people want from me next? But like, what. What do I actually feel called to write or. Yeah, that's so cool.
Tig Notaro
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
May Martin
But you knew Fortune better than you knew me before, probably. So what surprised you about. About old Fortune Marie?
Tig Notaro
I mean, I guess I did, but I mean, you know, Super Bowl. I feel like we were in each other's orbits very loosely for a decade or more. 15, 10, 15 years. Something. But it was really, I mean, I could say I actually feel like I maybe knew you better because you were working with Stephanie, you know, doing those shows at the, you know, doing improv together. And so there were. I feel like it was almost an even amount of knowledge of each other and. But yeah, I think with Fortune, what has really surprised me is the gosh, here, this. Are you going to Cruz?
May Martin
I'm going to cry.
Tig Notaro
No, I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to cry. It's not that kind of thing at all.
May Martin
It's more like.
Fortune Feimster
Not that deep.
Tig Notaro
No, no. It's more on the heels of like. Yeah. Like when you were describing yourself as a goofball. You have such. You are a very business minded person. And, and this might just be the person in me that's not very educated, but I'm always like, gosh, Fortune, Fortune went to school. Fortune knows stuff. Wow. Like, and not that I, not that I thought that you were like some dumbass.
Fortune Feimster
Right.
Tig Notaro
But like, but you. Things to a very serious, grounded conversation. Whether it's, I mean, it's not like we sit around and we talk seriously about history, but I feel like you have that wealth of knowledge as much as you. But also an understanding I have of you, of your upbringing and how you, you know, the instability in your family that you wanted to write for yourself. And I think that's what's so, just so fascinating about getting to know people. And like how. What Just when you understand people better and you're like, oh, they're not actually who I thought they were. And then also seeing you right now, I did not. And I hope it's not offensive, but I did not see you rising up from the ashes in the way that you have. And it's really remarkable and it does give me chills right now because you have been dealt a heavy load and a hard load and, and I just, I'm like, I'm pretty floored.
May Martin
I'm pretty floored and excited.
Fortune Feimster
Oh, thanks.
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Tig Notaro
I'm floored and I'm excited because, you know, there's so many. Are you familiar with, aside from, like, the obvious, like, stoicism, you know, like that idea of that theory of stoicism. Like, it's something that I try to follow and it's not to be misunderstood as to be you're just stoic and that you don't have feelings, but it's like you have control over how you're going to handle what's handed to you. You can make a decision how this is going to go. And I feel like you have really shown that.
Fortune Feimster
Oh, thank you.
May Martin
The rivers run deep with all of us. And you're right. Like, you meet someone and you meet them where they're at in the moment, and then you really can only know someone when you understand where they came from and their childhood and their teens. And it's rare to have two years of talking about that stuff in concentrated amounts of time.
Tig Notaro
And you're talking about it on a podcast, but then you're also having a side conversation or. And it's like, hey, hey, this is happening. Or, hey, you know, here's what's up and how's this. How are we going to deal with this and how are we going to handle this? And, you know, if I can just loop Thomas into this as well. I've known Thomas for a decade, and man, have I seen this guy grow and change. And I stand by the fact that he is by far the best, best option as a husband or father.
Fortune Feimster
But I.
Tig Notaro
Not that he has kids, but I.
May Martin
Just, you know, and producer and just keeping it together and like, championing us. And yeah, yeah, one of my.
Fortune Feimster
Together.
Tig Notaro
I've told this many times and maybe I've told it on this podcast or I don't know. But one of my favorite Thomas moments was When I. And I'm sure Thomas is tired of me telling this story, but it really does make him look so cool. He is, but I was being interviewed by a TV show on a stage. After a show, they came in town, set up a lighting situation, cameras, everything. Legit, legit interview. And they started asking me questions about something that was not at all what I signed up for in this interview. And I said, oh, I'm not wanting to talk about this or that person or whatever. And I just kind of moved on. And they were like, well, but why don't you? Why? And it was like a real gotcha kind of moment where they weren't letting me out. And Thomas was my assistant at the time, and he walked in front of the camera and he went, this interview is over.
May Martin
What?
Tig Notaro
I did not ask him to do it. He took total, like, he took charge and pulled the microphone off, and he was like, we're leaving. We're done here. And I just looked back at him, and I was like, nicely done.
May Martin
That's incredible.
Tig Notaro
Oh, my God. I was so blown away. And that's this weird curve ball in Thomas where it's like, he's absolutely a. A decent, solid dude, but he. Here is the boundary. Yeah. You know?
May Martin
Yeah. Yeah.
Tig Notaro
And that. That was fun to find out.
May Martin
And the protectiveness there. That's so nice.
Tig Notaro
Yeah.
May Martin
Thank you. Would you do that? Would you do that for me? A fortune. Absolutely. Anytime this podcast gets out of hand.
Tig Notaro
I'll step in and stop it.
May Martin
Yeah, this podcast is over.
Fortune Feimster
We. We can't not mention you, Tig. Obviously, there's so many wonderful qualities. Not that this surprised me, but I so have appreciated the wisdom that you impart, not only on the podcast, but in real life. I think, especially in this last year, going through the different things that I've gone through personally. I've had some really great private conversations with you on the phone or on text, where you are just a great friend and really show up and. And you don't stop at just, like, you know, it'll be okay. You, like, give really amazing advice, and check out this book. I learned this in my experience. I did. You know, it's just, like, really thoughtful, meaningful conversations with you that I've come to really appreciate, and that has helped me a lot. So, yeah, you just really show up for people, and. And on the podcast, you. You impart some really great wisdom, and I know a lot of that comes from a lot of the hard things that you've gone through, and coming out the other end of that And. And seeing you appreciate life. I'm not seeing anyone have such genuine appreciation for what you have.
May Martin
Yeah. Yeah.
Tig Notaro
Thank you.
May Martin
I really. There are so many things about your life that I want to emulate or find myself unconsciously, like, putting on my vision board. And, yeah, both of you, like, meet your heroes. You're both the best. I'm crying. I can't help it.
Fortune Feimster
You guys.
Tig Notaro
It's all so nice to hear, but it's also equally as nice to. To say, and I do appreciate my life. And you can kind of. I think it's human nature to think that you appreciate it and you've got a handle on, oh, man, did I learn my lesson. And then life gets going, and you completely forget that lesson. And I do that time and time again. But I'm very thankful that I have a well to go back to and straighten myself out and be like, man, I remember what it was like begging. Begging to live through a moment or begging, please, I just want to have a kid, you know, or even just to find a partner. And, you know, in those moments, I always say to Stephanie, I'm like, I am crazy about you 99% of the time, but 1% of the time, I cannot stand you. And she's like, same. But I do. I appreciate my life, but I actually am also in a point in my life where I feel like I need more guidance to be even more appreciative, because there are things that I cannot believe, get on my nerves or that I dread doing. And I'm like, what are you talking about? You are the luckiest person alive, and you need to get it together. You know what I mean?
Fortune Feimster
Human nature.
Tig Notaro
I know it is. But I really want to focus more energy on, I guess, gratitude, because I am grateful, but I would like a heavier dose. Heavier.
May Martin
You're right. It's so nice to say this stuff. And what in. In your regular friendships, it's so rare that you, like, are like, these are all the things I love about you and are. And I'm grateful for. I want to. I want to do this with all my friends. They'll be like, oh, gosh.
Tig Notaro
I remember when my stepfather, who I think I've talked about how. Talk about stoic in the way of being, you know, you know, just like a robot. But when my mother passed away, I remember him making a toast. We had, like, all of her old friends and our old neighbors, and my brother and I had our childhood friends over and our families and stuff, and. And my stepfather was like, this is what she would have wanted when she was alive. And I never did that for her and I regret it. And it was such a moment where I thought, yeah, like, you should write that letter. You should tell your friend that thing. You should have a surprise party for somebody for no reason, you know what I mean? And just feel like, God, I love you. Yeah. Those are fun little things to remind yourself to do. Yeah. And I really felt it when my stepfather was making a toast to my mother, you know?
May Martin
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
Yeah.
May Martin
I'm feeling very grateful at the moment. Cause I. I don't know if you were wondering where I am, but I'm in my ex fiance's apartment in Toronto. I had nowhere to record. I can't. I'm at my parents house and I can't like, try to be funny audibly in a room with that. They'd be like listening and being like, well. And so I reached out and she's out of town and she told me where the key was. And it's just, I'm so grateful for it, like, and it's so nice to be around objects. I remember from when we were together, I love an object and like photographs and. Yeah. So I'm grateful for that relationship and with Lindsay and. Yeah, I'm not snooping. I'm not gonna snoop.
Fortune Feimster
All right.
Tig Notaro
Are you typically a snooper?
May Martin
Well, you know, I think that's a yes.
Tig Notaro
I mean, it goes back to your.
May Martin
Curiosity, so it's my innate curiosity.
Tig Notaro
Your innate curiosity?
May Martin
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
Do a little peekaboo in her. In her drawers, so to speak.
May Martin
Yes. You know, see what's going on with her, with her current relation.
Tig Notaro
Is she home right now?
May Martin
No, she's up in Prince Edward County. Like, they, they, her and her partner live most of the time up in the countryside.
Tig Notaro
But do you like her partner?
May Martin
Oh, my God, yeah. The best. Yeah.
Tig Notaro
And this person was at our Toronto show, right?
Fortune Feimster
Oh, yeah.
May Martin
Yes, that's right. Yeah. Lindsay's partner. They both were. And Lindsay's partner asked a question at the live show.
Tig Notaro
Yes, yes.
May Martin
And they're just gems, both of them. Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it's good that y' all are friends.
May Martin
Oh, my God. Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
Oh, look at us. What a moment of sharing. Sharing is caring.
Tig Notaro
Yes. 100 episodes in. I guess we have done 101. If somebody's gonna start crunching numbers because Thomas did put together one episode that was all of our. What was it? The greatest hits. Yeah.
May Martin
And then also we did one when we didn't know the format of the podcast yet. We did one with A guest?
Tig Notaro
Yeah, we did a couple.
May Martin
One with Brett Goldstein as a guest and Atsuko.
Tig Notaro
Yeah, one with Atsuko.
May Martin
Yeah. Were they.
Tig Notaro
Do we still have those recorded?
May Martin
Yeah, they're somewhere.
Tig Notaro
Maybe those will get released one day.
Fortune Feimster
Then we were like, oh, my God, it's a nightmare just to schedule us.
May Martin
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
If we then add another busy person to this, we will not get anything done.
Tig Notaro
That's correct.
May Martin
Yeah. Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
So thank God.
May Martin
We wanted to hog more of the air time.
Fortune Feimster
Yeah. We don't want no guests. Get out of here. We got feelings to share.
Tig Notaro
Yeah. I feel like it. It works nicely.
May Martin
It does.
Fortune Feimster
Our.
Tig Notaro
Our show. Our little.
Fortune Feimster
I love all the sharing of.
May Martin
I'm.
Fortune Feimster
I just turned 45. I know it's hard to believe because I wear a lot of cranes and.
May Martin
You use your depuffer.
Fortune Feimster
I use my depuffer. But it did. It was a time, and probably because of what's going on in my life, where it just made me very introspective and just thinking about a lot. But I'm on. I am of the opinion of, like, you think nice things about people or you appreciate something about someone. Like, definitely tell them. And with my mom being sick, that definitely hits home even more. Like, you're saying tig about your stepdad having regrets. That's the last thing I want is to be like, I wish I'd said something to somebody or did something differently. I just wanna. I wanna move forward deliberately and not. Not so out to lunch. You know, there's been times where I've just worked so much where I've just been a little out to lunch, and I don't want that. I want to be very present and tell people my life. Things that, you know, are important and meaningful and not just. And not shy away from stuff.
May Martin
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you. You, in the past have had a tendency to, like, just keep that stuff private and. And just.
Fortune Feimster
I just went through a period of time where I was just working so much. I just wasn't just this, like. I don't know why.
Tig Notaro
I just was, like.
Fortune Feimster
Threw myself into that and just was kind of coasting a bit where I wasn't. I wasn't, you know, connecting with friends like I should and just wasn't taking the time to. To appreciate some of the smaller things in life and, like, sitting on a bench. Like, sitting on a bench. I wasn't sitting on benches.
May Martin
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
And I just want to be more cognizant of. I don't want to be. I don't want to be a robot. I Don't want to be just like, next show, like, hamster Wheel. I gotta write this. I gotta do this. I don't. I don't want that.
Tig Notaro
Yeah, that's like that. I think I told you, and I've probably mentioned it on the podcast, but I just realized I was gone filming. I was touring, and I was just like, yeah, I'm working, making money, sending it home. But it's like, I want to be home with. With my family doing the activities that they're doing. I want to be. I want to go play tennis. Yeah. I want to go. I want to be there at the baseball game. I want to be everywhere with them. And I came up with, like, a schedule of all podcasting, Star Trek, and touring that is really scaled down. That keeps me working, but keeps me mostly in my life. Yeah, that's awesome. And it's awesome. I'm so proud of it. I can't even tell you. I'm so proud to have those things in motion but not ruling my life.
May Martin
I feel like I'm still in my hustler era. I still have this scarcity mentality of saying yes to things, but I'm getting better at it. And I'm also, like, in my last relationship, I was like. Immediately was like, oh, no, I'm happy to just cancel everything and sit in this house. So I know I have that in me, too. So.
Tig Notaro
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, people used to ask, like, oh, what's your, you know, work life balance? How do you do that? I'd be like, you know, I'm trying to do this. I'm trying to. And then I realized, like, I am lying.
May Martin
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
It wasn't that I was, like, purposefully lying. It was that I was lying to myself. I had made no conscious decisions to shift my life in any way. And it wasn't like I was never home, because I would certainly have the ability to stay home for weeks or months at a time. But I just wasn't really, really making the decisions that would. That would get the work life balance in order. And I'm. Anyway, I'm just like. I'm just so excited. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. I'm really, really happy about it.
May Martin
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Fortune Feimster
It's insane.
Tig Notaro
It's so great, and it's just so perfect.
Fortune Feimster
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
Because we do love getting ridiculous questions and earnest ones, but. And Sarah, man, she can. She walks that line really well.
May Martin
Yes, she does.
Tig Notaro
Her.
May Martin
Have you seen her new special? Is amazing.
Fortune Feimster
Oh, it's so good.
Tig Notaro
Yes. Yeah. She is nothing but silly and nothing but, like. She's so smart. She's just.
Fortune Feimster
I like seeing her out and about in the comedy world, too. It's like, you see her and you're just like, start smiling.
May Martin
Always the best. Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
Well, let's hear Sarah Silverman once again asking today's question for the hundredth episode.
May Martin
Hey, handsome, it's me.
Tig Notaro
It's Sarah Silverman. I just wanted to say congratulations on.
May Martin
Your first hundred EPPs.
Tig Notaro
That's short for episodes. Cool.
May Martin
Also, I have another question, and my question is, why?
Tig Notaro
Why?
Fortune Feimster
Wow. That could apply to so many things.
May Martin
But I really relate to that feeling that, like, when it comes to you. Oh, why are we here? Why. Why are we. What is this? What's happening?
Tig Notaro
Stephanie told me that the other day. Finn goes, I'm so sick of not knowing things. And she was like, what do you mean? He was like, why are we here? Why is there a son? Oh, my God. I just want to know.
May Martin
Oh, my God. I felt that panic my whole childhood and teens and, like, I really. I mean, was it. Was it Finn who wrote that song?
Tig Notaro
No, that was Max.
May Martin
There was. No one knows. We don't know why the world was born. We don't know why we were born.
Tig Notaro
Yeah. How. How does the world work? We don't know how the world works.
May Martin
It was the sun rises west, the sun goes down east, which is profound. And then we don't know how the world works. Yeah. Oh, man. But, no, I really relate to that. I mean, I. I mean, I know it's bad because it uses water, but I talk to ChatGPT quite a bit, and I often ask it, like, what the hell is going on? And, like, is. Are we in a simulation? Are we. What's going on? Do you want to hear? What? Chat? Well, I just googled why is the world the way it is? You want to hear what it says?
Tig Notaro
Well, yeah, but you're destroying the world a little bit by asking, but go on.
May Martin
I know. Well, that's part of this duality we live in. Like, how do we live in the world and participate in it when it's such a mess and all the systems are so damaging? Okay. So it says the world is the way it is due to a combination of natural processes, human actions, and the inherent nature of reality. From the formation of the Earth and the laws of physics to the development of cultures and individual choices, a complex interplay of factors shapes our world. That's.
Tig Notaro
I mean, did that satiate your question?
May Martin
No.
Tig Notaro
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
Seems like not a lot of. Just nonsense.
Tig Notaro
It sounds like a robot answered you, to be honest.
May Martin
100%. Yeah. Yeah. And then it. I don't know. You can put on different lenses and see the world in different ways. And at the moment, it really feels overwhelmingly negative. Like, worldwide.
Tig Notaro
Our capacity for cruelty world works. We don't know why we were born.
May Martin
You know what my mom said, though?
Tig Notaro
We don't know if we were born.
May Martin
That was my favorite line. We don't know if we were born.
Tig Notaro
Yes.
May Martin
Because. Yeah, we don't really have any evidence outside of our own minds that any. Like, when you close your eyes, everything could not be there. We don't. But my mom one time, because I was like, God, it's just. There's so much suffering. You're just born, you're immediately suffering. And. And my mom was like, but we don't know what the alternative is. Like, being is better than not being, as far as we know. And I was like, that's true. I guess I'd rather be than not be, but.
Fortune Feimster
Yeah, that's a good point.
May Martin
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
I don't dig too deep into all these kind of questions.
May Martin
You don't?
Fortune Feimster
No.
May Martin
Why? Because, you know, it would drive you nuts.
Tig Notaro
I just.
Fortune Feimster
That some things can't be answered. So I don't drive myself crazy trying to figure it out.
May Martin
Right.
Fortune Feimster
And maybe that's a little, you know, turning a blind, Not. Not to big important things, but just these, like, more philosophical questions.
May Martin
Right.
Fortune Feimster
I don't. I don't dig too deep into that.
May Martin
Right. Yeah, you gotta, like, let those questions sit loosely on your shoulder because really, you gotta get up and have breakfast and have a shower and live your life.
Tig Notaro
When I was a kid, and I've probably mentioned this before, but, like, I used to really, really think that if I grabbed a pack of smokes, headed off into the woods and sat on, like, a little rock, like a, you know, boulder, I could really figure out.
May Martin
The answer to, yeah, like Siddhartha, like the Buddha. He sat under the lotus tree.
Tig Notaro
And yeah, I really thought I was going to come up with the answer to how the world works and why we're here and what this is all about, but I never did, unfortunately. But I have to say, one of my big whys that's going on for me right now is. And I guess the answer to my big why would be going directly to specific people and sitting down and asking them why. But I've had a handful of friends that have really veered off from what I think thought was similar thinking socially, politically, and they've really veered off. And I think part of my why is also, why didn't you just share that you were heading off in a different direction? Because everybody is kind of left wondering, why, what happened? Like, what why? It goes back to the why. And it could be a different feeling if somebody was like, hey, this is kind of weird, but I didn't feel this way before. And here's what's. Something in me has really shifted. And not that I'd be all for that, but it would be more understandable.
May Martin
You know, you would think that they. If. If their convictions had really changed and you're their friend, you'd think that they want to share that and they'd say, hey, I think you got it wrong, and come with me. Like that. They don't. Do you think.
Fortune Feimster
Do you think they're aware that they've shifted so much and.
Tig Notaro
Yes, they do. Okay. Yes, I was.
May Martin
I was in. In Nantucket. I was having my brunch, like, at the hotel restaurant or whatever, and it was just one other table next to me, and I didn't have my phone with me or anything, so I was just listening to their conversations, and it was like a cartoon of, like, they went through everything from, like, trans people are bad. Like, you know, women are dumb. Like, every immigration. Like, they went through everything, and they were just. They were getting revved up. It was this, like, three couples, sort of older couples. And they were. But I was like, what's going on here? Because they were really enjoying. They were fueling each other, and they were. But they were really connecting over it and being like, God, it's hard. It's so hard. They were like, they. Them. Like, it doesn't make sense. God, it's just. It's hard. It's just hard. And they were like. And I was like, where is this coming from? Because I could feel their, like, panic or fear.
Fortune Feimster
And that's wild because it's on. Like, in what way does that affect them at all?
May Martin
Completely. Yeah. And they always. And you can always hear them be like, oh, yeah, it doesn't make sense. You know, if someone called me a day, I'd tell them where they could stick it. And it's like, you just did it. You just said they. But they. Then, yeah, I felt like that they were finding community over it too. And so I guess it is just like these things come in waves and cycles and like a sense. Maybe it's the same existential fear that we're all feeling and that there's people's solution is just to build up their walls and grab what's theirs. And you know what I mean?
Tig Notaro
Yeah. I mean, because it is true. It's like if I had a major shift in the way I was going about my life. And of course people have shifts and you change the way you're thinking and you change. I mean, even down to comedy. Like, look at Sarah Silverman. I mean, her material has shifted so much over the years. You know, where she's even had moments of saying, like, oh, hey, this didn't age well. And. But she's keeping you in conversation, like, oh, I've learned this. I've changed. I've gone in this direction, or, oh, I said this the wrong way or I apologize or I'd do it better now, or I'm, you know, like, she really keeps you in conversation.
May Martin
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
And then there are, like I said, if I made a massive shift and did not fill in anybody on where this came from, and I just went with it so far away from where I was planted with the people I was growing with, you know, and again, it's like, it's okay to change and it's okay to, to say that you have different ideas or that, you know, but just like, why? What? Like, give us some more information. Stay in conversation.
May Martin
I know, because the fact that it, like Sarah's series I love you, America was. She was really talking to people. And I, it's like, I. I know the work shouldn't fall on us to always build bridges and. But often when you, when you do engage in conversations with people who. Yeah. Whose thoughts on human rights and things, like, are so different from your own. They do come around. They haven't.
Tig Notaro
But then there are, like, I'm saying, people that.
May Martin
Oh, yeah.
Tig Notaro
Thought were on that side of things and then they. That you see them drifting away and with. No, they. They're not staying in conversation. I would, I would want to Explain myself. If I was seeing the light, I thought that was so different from the world I was in.
May Martin
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
I guess I can compare it to veganism if you want, like, a comparison. It's like I saw the light. You can think I'm weird, you cannot follow what I'm doing, but I'm going to talk you through how I got here. And I know it's very different, but I'm saying that people make massive shifts. But just explain what happened, like, where is this coming from and what sent you in that direction.
May Martin
Yeah, because the fact that people are reluctant to do that makes it seem like there is some awareness somewhere or shame about it.
Tig Notaro
Shame?
May Martin
Yes, that they are aware that. That they are punching down or. Or, you know.
Tig Notaro
Yes. If you slither away quietly, there is shame. There's shame. There is shame. There is shame. If you are slithering away, there is shame.
May Martin
Well, it's the same like when people break up and they can't talk to you about it, or like they. Or if you've ever been ghosted or broken up with where it's just like, this isn't working. It's often they can't talk about it because they know.
Fortune Feimster
Face it.
Tig Notaro
Yeah, well, yeah, I had an experience with somebody recently where there was some weirdness in the air. And I was like, I'm gonna go up and just say, hey, there's some stuff going on. Obviously would love to talk to you about it. And she was kind of defensive and weird, and we were in this, like, group situation and she avoided me the rest of the time. And I thought if somebody came up to me and said, I'd like to talk to you, I would follow back up with that. I would be like, hey, so what is it that's going on? You know, what was that? I would not slither away.
Fortune Feimster
I think not everybody's capable of that. Emotional level of, you know, communication.
Tig Notaro
Yeah, I just. I walked away from that going, man, like, why. Why on earth would you slither away and avoid me if there wasn't any shame in there?
May Martin
And I guess part of it, like, I. I think I take responsibility too, for sometimes the. You have to make an. Which I think you do take. But in general, like, we have to make it an environment where it's safe to ask questions and safe for people to express themselves, you know, and not feel like they're going to immediately get called, you know, a bigot because they don't understand. They. Them, you know, like, we gotta.
Tig Notaro
In this.
Fortune Feimster
You mean like Grace?
May Martin
Yeah, totally. Oh, my God. Yeah.
Tig Notaro
Like in this particular conversation, I truly went out. We were like kind of giving each other awkward smiles, like, hi. Because there was obviously something to discuss. And then that's when I was like, hey, so I'd love to talk to you about the, you know, elephant in the room. Yeah. And slither, slither, slither. So anyway, that all goes back to why. Why stop slithering.
Fortune Feimster
There's been a lot of whys, I think, since COVID times.
Tig Notaro
So much.
Fortune Feimster
I was thinking about that today. Just like this pre and post Covid world, things just so significantly shifted.
May Martin
They really did. And it would have been nice if it was a moment where that would have unified us as human beings. And it does feel like people just went to their little caves and went online and got radicalized a little bit sometimes.
Tig Notaro
Yeah. Got into podcasts.
May Martin
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
Just started taking in podcasts and. Yeah, stop talking to people. But keep on doing that. Keep supporting the show.
May Martin
Yeah, yeah.
Tig Notaro
Glad you listen. And Sarah does not have a follow up answer. When I asked her.
May Martin
No, I was hoping she.
Fortune Feimster
She doesn't have any answers for us.
Tig Notaro
She said that it's just. It's like it's an open ended why. It's for everything and anything, which I think is. It's perfect. That works.
May Martin
Very timely. And I will say I really admire that about Sarah. Her fluidity in terms of her. Yeah. And transparency about her journey as a person. I hope I do that. I hope. Yeah. I just think we should all aspire to just as we get older because no doubt younger generations, there are going to be things that I do not understand or that I immediately feel defensive. There's all kinds of things probably now. And yeah, we got to keep talking to young people and keep learning and talking to people and.
Fortune Feimster
Yeah, yeah. And we gotta keep being silly at times too.
May Martin
Oh, for sake. That's all levity because we're gonna have.
Fortune Feimster
A lot of wise and a lot of. And a lot of frustrations and keeping it. You know, obviously these things are important and you gotta take them seriously. But also taking time to. To let the air out of the tires for a minute.
Tig Notaro
Oh, my gosh, 1 million percent. People are. I hear from people all the time how thankful they are for just like a break from the insanity of life and the silliness and the singing and the Fortune Marie and the Mayfax and all of it. It's like, you know, there's obviously plenty of news stations you can go and drain your energy into, but like, we'll touch on things from time to time. But in general. You know, this is. This is a nice place for us to go.
Fortune Feimster
This is where you hear about being a pineapple apart.
Tig Notaro
That's right.
May Martin
I really.
Fortune Feimster
For my own cowboys.
May Martin
Appreciate it.
Fortune Feimster
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Tig Notaro
Yeah, Ghost.
Fortune Feimster
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May Martin
Motorboating.
Fortune Feimster
Motor boating, my friends.
May Martin
Cooters.
Fortune Feimster
Cooters galore.
Tig Notaro
Cooters and hooters.
Fortune Feimster
Cooters and hooters and pooters.
Tig Notaro
You need to start your own. Or maybe we could, as a trio, start Cooters and Hooters. Cooters and Hooters.
May Martin
Put it on the list.
Tig Notaro
Well, yeah, put that on the list.
Fortune Feimster
A list that we haven't. We will get to it.
Tig Notaro
We will get to it in our retirement.
May Martin
You know what? I was watching a documentary about the Beach Boys with my mom last night, and my mom goes, God, their harmonies are amazing. And then out of nowhere, she doesn't listen to the pod. I don't know where she goes. You know, you and Tig and Fortune should do harmonies. Like, do a. Do like a barber shop quartet. And I went, you. Have you heard our theme song? And she was like, no. So I went on YouTube and I played the theme song and she was like, oh, wow. So that's one thing we've checked off the list.
Fortune Feimster
Yeah. We could be a. What's. What's a three person triad. A triad. All right.
Tig Notaro
Triathlon.
May Martin
Triathlon.
Tig Notaro
That's a long term. The throttle. Is it?
May Martin
Yeah. Yeah. That's like if you really on your deathbed, you're holding hands with two people. You did a triathlon.
Tig Notaro
Yeah.
May Martin
Yeah.
Tig Notaro
All right, well, that was a really special episode.
Fortune Feimster
It was so full of emotion, so introspective. Lots of philosophical wanderings and a lot.
Tig Notaro
Of why, why stay in conversation Sensation.
May Martin
Yeah.
Fortune Feimster
So was our hundred episodes. Congratulations, you guys.
May Martin
Yeah, congrats.
Tig Notaro
Thank you, Mr. Thomas, for steering the ship.
Fortune Feimster
Yeah. Thank you for everyone that's listening to this.
May Martin
Thank you.
Tig Notaro
Awesome pod.
Fortune Feimster
Because we get as much joy doing it as you guys have told us you get from listening to it.
May Martin
We really do.
Tig Notaro
Thank you guys.
May Martin
For me, it's a privilege to produce this show. And I feel like this, you know, the podcast spreads so much joy, and to participate in that is really meaningful for me. So thank you all.
Fortune Feimster
So why do we do this podcast? Oh, to spread joy.
May Martin
Handsome.
Tig Notaro
Handsome joy.
May Martin
Yeah. Yeah.
Tig Notaro
Well, speaking of spreading handsome joy, I'm going to tell you where I'm spreading my handsome joy. If you don't mind, please. Westampton Beach Performing Arts center in West Hampton Beach. New York. August 17, Provincetown Town hall in P Town, Massachusetts. August 23, Beau Rivage Resort & Casino, Biloxi, Mississippi. September 27. Also go to tignotaro.com to see When I'm working out my new material at Largo Dynasty, Typewriter and Comedy Bar, bouncing back and forth between Toronto and Los Angeles. What do you have going on, my friends?
May Martin
I got nothing. Live for a little while. So yeah, you can listen to my music or I'm gearing up to launch something very cool. I'll probably talk about it a bunch more, but I'm gonna launch, like I do these animal paintings. I'm launching an online store selling the animal paintings and 100% of the proceeds go to charity. And I'm excited about that. That'll be launching in the next week or two, I think, so stay tuned.
Tig Notaro
That's because you can't stop expressing yourself.
Fortune Feimster
Can't stop, won't stop.
Tig Notaro
Don't stop. Can stop.
May Martin
Won't stop, can stop. Won't stop. Yeah. What about you, Fortune?
Fortune Feimster
I'm going to Iceland soon. August 8th in Reykjavik. I'm doing a show there for their pride. So if you live in Iceland, check that out. And then San Antonio and Houston, Norfolk and Richmond and DC, Burlington, Vermont, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Chicago, Salt Lake City. Fortunep.com for those tickets.
Tig Notaro
Well, there you have it. Please, should we say share this episode?
May Martin
Maybe not this one. As the first episode that you share, share your favorite.
Fortune Feimster
Start with Sarah Silverman's first episode with us where she asks about cleaning undercarriages.
Tig Notaro
Yes, that's right. Solid episode. There's so many great ones. Share one with a friend or family member and bring them on into the handsome fold.
May Martin
And keep chatting to each other on the Facebook page, the Reddit page. Keep sending us questions for the pretty little episodes and we love to hear from you.
Fortune Feimster
Get your merch. Look at this fun, handsome shirt right here.
Tig Notaro
Look at that. You can see that on YouTube.
Fortune Feimster
Merch in the biz.
Tig Notaro
Head on over to YouTube and see Handsome Fortune face in a handsome T shirt.
Fortune Feimster
Well, you guys are awesome. What a. What a joy and treat to do this with you.
May Martin
Ditto.
Tig Notaro
Yes, it is. Kisses. Happy 100th. You both look happy. 150.
May Martin
Happy hundred.
Tig Notaro
Alrighty. Well, until the next time, keep it handsome.
May Martin
Handsome Handsome is hosted by Me May Martin, Tig Notaro and Fortune Feimster. The show is produced, recorded and edited by Thomas Willette. Email us@handsomepodmail.com and please follow us on social media. Ansomepod.
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Podcast Summary: Handsome – "Sarah Silverman asks WHY!!"
Episode Information
In this milestone 100th episode, the hosts—Tig, Fortune, and May—express their excitement and gratitude for reaching such a significant milestone. The celebration is marked by a sense of accomplishment and reflection on the podcast's journey.
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The hosts delve into their personal relationships, highlighting the strength and depth of their friendship over the past two years. They discuss how their communication has improved, leading to a more profound understanding of one another.
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Each host shares unexpected revelations about their friends, emphasizing that people are multi-dimensional beyond their public personas.
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The conversation shifts to the significance of open communication and expressing gratitude. The hosts discuss how sharing feelings and being present can strengthen relationships and personal well-being.
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A substantial portion of the episode explores how to navigate changes in friends' beliefs and the challenges of maintaining connections when perspectives diverge. The hosts express a desire for transparency and continued dialogue to understand such shifts.
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The central theme of the episode revolves around Sarah Silverman's question, "Why?" The hosts engage in a deep, philosophical discussion about the meaning of existence, the challenges of understanding life's purpose, and the human tendency to seek explanations.
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Balancing the heavy philosophical discussions, the hosts infuse moments of humor and silliness, reinforcing the podcast's inherent charm and lightheartedness despite tackling profound topics.
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As the episode concludes, the hosts share their upcoming projects and performances, reinforcing their commitment to spreading joy and maintaining the authentic connection they've built with their audience. They encourage listeners to continue supporting the podcast and engaging with their content.
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This 100th episode of Handsome serves as both a celebration of the podcast's success and a heartfelt exploration of personal growth, friendship, and the quest for meaning. Through a blend of introspection and humor, Tig Notaro, Fortune Feimster, and May Martin offer listeners a rich, engaging experience that resonates on both emotional and intellectual levels.