113: When is AGE GAP LOVE Acceptable? (Fan Q&A)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Happy Wife Happy Life - Episode 113: When is AGE GAP LOVE Acceptable? (Fan Q&A)

Release Date: June 1, 2026
Hosts: Kendahl Landreth & Jordan Myrick

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Episode Overview

In this lively, candid episode, Kendahl and Jordan answer listener-submitted relationship questions, focusing on age gaps in relationships, platonic boundaries with exes’ friends, navigating friendship disappointments, and balancing love and career. Infused with their classic, self-deprecating humor and deep affection for one another, the hosts blend personal anecdotes with fan Q&A for an advice session that’s both hilarious and refreshingly honest.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Banter & Embarrassing Childhood Memories

• [00:33] Lighthearted banter about Kendahl's rushed morning and Jordan's ongoing UTI troubles.
• Both hosts share their earliest moments of embarrassment, delving into childhood anecdotes about parental care, bodily mishaps, and early romantic snafus.
• Reflect on how embarrassment changes with age, leading to the realization:
  "As the years go on...who fucking cares?" – Kendahl ([12:15])

Q1: Dating Your Ex’s Friend – Moral Codes & Communication

Listener Scenario ([15:54]–[25:21]):
Listener asks if they should feel guilty about hooking up with their ex’s close friend; context: amicable breakup two years prior, friends-with-benefits situation, no intention to start a relationship.

• Mapping onto their own friend group: Both hosts hypothesize, using their own friends as hypothetical examples, illustrating how context and closeness of the friendship matter.
• Jordan:
  "I think dating a friend's ex is worse than dating an ex’s friend...do I necessarily think that either one of them is inherently doing something wrong? No." ([19:38])
• Kendahl:
  "I just think feeling guilty doesn't help anything." ([19:36])
• Nuanced advice: The responsibility lies more with the friend of the ex; context, communication, and boundaries are key but not every situation requires disclosure.
• Final take:
  • Don’t feel guilty—assess impact rather than arbitrary rules.
  • Be honest if serious feelings develop.

Q2: Age Gaps in Relationships – When Are They Acceptable?

Listener Scenario ([27:15]–[34:44]):
23-year-old lesbian dating a 31-year-old; worried about social perception and different timelines, especially after friends express concern.

• Kendahl and Jordan’s age gap (21 & 26 when they met) sets the tone for a nuanced discussion.
• Both hosts emphasize that context and maturity matter more than specific ages.
  • Kendahl: “With soccer and rec leagues...you're clearly in a different place than a lot of 24-year-olds." ([29:20])
  • Jordan: “Consenting adults are consenting adults...make your mistakes.” ([28:29])
• Practical advice: Ensure values and life goals align, but don’t let external judgment or age itself dictate your happiness.
• On vulnerability after heartbreak:
  Jordan: “You have to get over it. Because people want to be like, well, if I'm not vulnerable, then I protect myself...well, no, then you're alone, and then you're sad." ([32:39])
• Kendahl:
  "If you don't date now, you’re going to be sad. So what?" ([33:00])
• Memorable Analogy:
  Jordan compares first heartbreak to “the Hurt Locker when the bomb goes off—there's ringing in your ears...” ([33:12])

Q3: Friendship Neglect Over a Queer Wedding

Listener Scenario ([34:52]–[39:01]):
Listener describes friends who celebrated a straight friend’s second wedding but neglected theirs (a lesbian wedding), citing religious reasons for some.

• Hosts' reaction: Outright condemnation of the friends' behavior; clear call to step away from anyone who disrespects your love and identity.
• Kendahl:
  "Why do you have friends who are homophobic?" ([36:40])
• Jordan:
  "You can't be friends with people who have a different moral compass than you. That doesn't mean a different religion – it just means a different moral compass." ([39:01])
• Empowerment message: If “your cup isn't full after seeing someone, you don’t have to keep them in your life.”
• Heartwarming moment:
  "You're having a wedding in a library. You have more class in your pinky than these people have in their whole body." - Kendahl ([39:31])

Q4: Love vs Career – Can Long Distance Work?

Listener Scenario ([41:09]–[47:12]):
Listener wonders if inability to make indefinite long distance work (due to intense academic careers) means the relationship is doomed.

• Jordan:
  "Long distance can mean an hour and a half drive or one of you is in Japan and one in New York...you can be in the same place and still not make a relationship work." ([43:05])
• Kendahl:
  Acknowledges that “you will find someone else” and sometimes it’s about timing, not just love ([42:04]).
• Both agree:
  • Prioritize your own growth and goals; don’t hold back for fear of losing a relationship that future circumstances may not support.
  • Kendahl:
    "I love that you know in your heart of hearts what you want." ([46:10])
  • If you’re emailing in about it, you probably already have your answer.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On self-confidence and aging:
  “As the years go on...who fucking cares?” — Kendahl ([12:15])

• On vulnerability versus self-protection:
  “There’s no world in which you never get hurt again unless you kill yourself. And I mean that. You shouldn’t do that. But...you’re always being vulnerable.” — Jordan ([32:39])

• On standing up for yourself:
  “If I leave a hangout feeling depleted, insecure...that’s just not—you don’t have to hang out with them.” — Kendahl ([37:03])

• On relationship closure:
  “If you are truly, as fate has decided, meant to be together, you’ll get back together. If not, you both will find people that make more sense for you...That, in my opinion, will always be true.” — Jordan ([43:05])

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [00:33] Opening banter, UTIs, and embarrassing childhood stories
• [15:54] Q&A Segment Begins: Dating your ex’s friend
• [27:15] Age gap love & vulnerability after heartbreak
• [34:52] Neglectful friends and queer marriage celebration
• [41:09] Navigating long distance and career ambitions
• [47:31] Episode wrap-up, Patreon plug, feel-good affirmations

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Episode Tone & Style

True to their brand, Kendahl and Jordan combine heartfelt advice, absurd humor, and candid self-reflection. The episode is a mix of supportive big-sister wisdom and comedic riffing, making space for important discussions about personal boundaries, queer identity, and self-worth.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is for anyone navigating complicated relationship waters—whether you’re questioning an age gap, worried about hurting an ex, feeling your friends let you down, or trying to choose between love and ambition. Kendahl and Jordan are less about giving hard rules, more about honoring context, kindness, and self-respect. Expect lots of laughter, warm reassurance, and the empowering reminder that you’re never as alone or as weird as you think.

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To sum up: Age gap love is fine with open communication and self-awareness; you don’t owe anyone more than honesty and kindness; bad friends don’t deserve your energy; and above all, don’t let fear keep you from the next great thing in your life.

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"Go for it. Everything about this sounds awesome, and we’re really happy for you." — Jordan ([34:40])

Transcript

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businesscredit welcome to Happy Wife, Happy Life.

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We're your hosts. I'm Kendall Landris.

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And I'm Jordan Myrick.

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And we are two incredibly unqualified but

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deeply in love comedians who are here to help you with all things relationships. And on today's episode, we're giving you some advice.

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Can you believe it?

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I caught a glimpse of myself.

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What?

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What do you mean?

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Where?

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In my phone.

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What'd you think?

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I look like a man who is directing an A24 movie. That's a coming of age story about like a 16 year old girl that has an affair with a 45 year old man.

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Okay.

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But it's actually good.

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Oh, it's actually good. She's having an affair with him.

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He actually makes her grows in ways that she needed to grow.

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Yeah, you know, he's actually the victim.

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He's actually the victim. Yeah, yeah, he's a victim of her.

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You do look just like that.

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That's what I look like.

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I actually get that. I get what you're saying. I do get what you're saying. It's because of the hat. It's like a black hat.

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It's the hat. It's the glasses.

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It's the face.

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It's the face.

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The energy, it's the movie. I'm personality.

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It's my personality. It's the fact that I'm a loser. We both said I'm at the exact same time, the exact same frequency. It's because I got ready so fast.

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You did. You did. We had quite a morning. I woke up and I just. You know those mornings you wake up and you just immediately step in a puddle of your dog's piss?

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You know those mornings? Why? Couldn't tell. You took her out last night at 11 o' clock at night, woke up

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at 8am and it was already. She wasn't downstairs. This is my problem. And then it's one of those moments you go, so how long has this piss Been here because I've been in the kitchen many a times, but the dog has not been down here for hours. Is this my dog's piss? Is this Jordan's piss?

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Yeah.

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Is it my piss? I don't know who so hard to know. Did a dog or a squirrel break in? It was a lot of piss.

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Yeah. And speaking of piss, I've had a urinary tract infection for three weeks and that's something that we all need to know.

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Yes. And Jordan's been to the doctor approximately 80 times.

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I keep going, he's every time, time he says, yep, you're just chock full of bacteria. I've been on 900 antibiotics. Who knows what's going on? So we had to go to the doctor before this. So all this to say is, you cannot say anything mean to me in the comments of this video. I've been sick for so long.

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I know. I feel really bad.

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I'm just surviving with a 100 degree fever. I don't know if you guys know this or not, but it's not to be of concern unless it's 100.4.

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Oh my God.

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But I'm oscillating between 99 and 100 the last three weeks. Oscillating between a 99 degree fever and a 100 degree fever.

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Sorry. If your UTI causes you to have 104 degree fever.

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No, my God, I'm so sorry. 100.4.

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Oh. I was like, okay, if you're Utah, you have 100.2 degree fever.

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Unless you have a 112 degree fever and you're legally dead.

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You know what's crazy is like, I found out like babies, like kids get such high fevers. Is this true, John? Like, I didn't realize this, but I remember as a kid you'd get sick and it'd be like my mom would take my temperature 104. And it's just like, obviously not commonly, but it's just more common to get like, if you were an adult, you'd be like, oh, I have to go to the hospital.

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Yes.

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But as a kid, it's just so common to be like, there's so much I know. And you're just, you're sick so often and sick in ways that you just don't get sick as an adult. Knock on wood. I remember my mom had to do like the wreck. She insert rectal medication into me.

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I was like eight, you know, I never had that. But a lot of kids, a lot of kids had that kind of stuff. I never had that.

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Really?

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No.

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Maybe your mom just refused. She was probably like, do it yourself.

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No, I've always been fine.

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Eva has been fine.

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I've always been.

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Maybe you blocked it out.

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Well, I mean, I have IBS as an adult. No, I'm telling you, I never had to have an enema. I've never had an enema in my life.

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Well, I think the rectal medication moment, and I don't. I remember it pretty clearly. And I will say, remember it was awesome. I just remember it being, like, my first moment of embarrassment. Because, you know, when you're a kid and it's like, you. You as a kid, it like, takes a lot. I mean, I was young. Like, I was, like, seven.

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Sure. I think it was after I got

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my tonsils up, but maybe I don't remember, but I was, like, 7 years old, so you don't get embarrassed in front of your mom. That's, like, not a thing that happens. And they have to do all like,

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she works for me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like, that's my employee.

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Can't be embarrassed in front of her.

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Well, and also in, like, I don't know, five years before that, I was breastfeeding from her. And it's like, anytime I'm sick, she'd shout. She would bathe me. It's like, what am I going to get embarrassed by that? I remember when she had to do the rectal medication. It was kind of my first moment of being like, I feel a little embarrassed that my mom is doing this.

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Okay, that's my butt. Well, because I'm sure it's weird then

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when your kids are, like, 13, and all of a sudden they're like, don't look at my body. And you're like, okay, I guess I'll just, like, pretend not. I've literally raised you completely. And now my kid is like, I even have that now with my mom, where I'm in, like, a dressing room and I'm, like, covering my breasts and I can feel. I'm sure she's like, are you kidding me?

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I have the opposite of that with my mom. I'm constantly trying to show my mom more than she wants to see. I'm always like, check this out. What's. I mean, my mom's a nurse, so I'm always like, what is your mom, too, though?

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Because your mom's a nurse?

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Yeah. I'm always like, what is this? And then she's like, I don't want to look at your butthole, please. And then I make her look, and then she's like it's dry skin.

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I don't know what to tell you.

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Yeah, she's like, relaxing.

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You have a lot of patches of dry skin.

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I also have like, body modifications that like, my mom doesn't want to see.

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What we'll talk about. What are you talking. What do you mean you have body modifications?

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Do you know what body modifications are?

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Oh, like a piercing? Yeah. Oh, I think I might immediately was

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like, I had my beautiful. My butt and my mom doesn't want to see it.

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I did immediately go to like BBL or something and I was like, huge.

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Bbl. Do you have a body modification?

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But I get what you're saying.

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No, I have body modifications. My mom doesn't want to see piercings.

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Yes, I totally. I just think it's.

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Yeah.

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That was my first moment. I was like, I'm. I feel a little embarrassed. My mom is doing this.

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I remember my first moment of embarrassment. But I can remember personally what my. I was taking a bath. So I was a child because I was taking a bath.

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You don't.

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Well, you take. You circle back around and taking baths as an adult, but they're like relaxing as a child. You're taking baths out of necessity and then you graduate to shower. So I was young enough to still be taking baths. And I remember I was like blowing like. I was like, I don't know how to describe this. Blowing into the surface of the water while like humming a song at the same time. Does that make sense?

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Yeah.

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And I remember my mom laughed from outside. And then I was like, why are you there and what are you doing? And then she was like, I'm on the phone with your uncle Robert. And I was like, can he hear me doing this? And she was like, yeah. And I was like, I'm gonna kill you. It was the first time I remember being like, I'm embarrassed. Like really feeling it in my bones. I was so embarrassed. And then I think the second time wasn't until years later when I tried to do a cartwheel at, oh, the Griffith Observatory. And I was wearing Those, like late 90s, early 2000s black platform slip on sandals that had like a. Certainly not mesh, but like.

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No, I know what you're talking about.

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What do I. What's that material?

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It's like a. It's like a.

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Like sirline.

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I don't know what that is.

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Praline.

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Praline's a nut is a different thing. Praline. Praline and cream is what you're thinking.

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Yeah, praline's on A nut. But it is a different thing.

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What is a praline?

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What is that thing called, John? Well, a praline's a flavor.

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No, but what's a proline candy? What's a praline?

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A prawling. Are those candies from New Orleans that are, like, big.

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I know, but I think I always assumed, like, when they do like pralines and cream, I thought that was the nut.

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There's nuts in it.

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Really? There's not a nut called a praline. I think I thought.

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What you think apparently nut was something

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they put in cream. What?

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Yeah. You thought a cashew was a praline. What do you think?

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I don't know. I've never really thought about it. I think I just thought, like, whatever was in that ice cream was a praline.

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Neoprene. That's what I'm trying to say. That's a right neoprene. John, what were you shouting from over there?

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Yes, he was saying cashews.

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I think I'm shouting, cashews. It's a family of synthetic rubbers. I want to say that maybe it's like, neoprene. That was like the top of the sandal. Whatever. Anyway, thank God we had that. To picture a cartwheel at the Griffith Observatory. And my shoe fell off and hit a woman that was walking down the sidewalk. And my parents were like, get your ass over there. Get your shoe, apologize, and never do that again. I was like, I'm so sorry. And of course, the woman who in my mind was 40, she was probably 19, was like, laughing at me. And I was like, I'm so sorry. And she was like, it's totally fine. That's the second time I remember being embarrassed.

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I remember, too, getting embarrassed from my middle school or. No, my elementary school teacher in third grade, we had a rule where you were not allowed to bring Valentine's for kids. That wasn't for everyone. You could not bring a Valentine for just one person. Which I'm like, don't be a cop. What are you talking about? Don't police me and my love life.

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Sure.

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But I had my boyfriend Austin, at the time, I didn't bring him anything. I was a rule follower. He brought me something. And I remember getting in trouble. My teacher was like, you are. And I'm sure, looking back, I remember him standing over me with a knife, screaming. I'm sure he, in a very normal tone, was like, hey, buddy, we're not supposed to do that. Of course, in my head, he was absolutely livid. And I remember Very weird. Cuz I remember Austin brought me. I don't even remember what it was,

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but just some little.

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It was very little, very cute little, whatever. And I remember thinking in my head, my teacher thinks I'm a slut. Like, I remember being like, I seem like such a whore. All I had to do was not. This is supposed to be a holiday for friends.

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All I had to do was not get a gift.

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All I had to do was supposed to be. I feel like. I remember feeling like almost sexual shame even though there was nothing sexual happening. But I felt like this was supposed to be a friend thing. And I brought my love life into it in front of everyone. And I brought it into school.

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More than that.

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Like an absolute slut.

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Like a slut.

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And I felt super embarrassed.

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That is so deeply funny.

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It really, really. I had a lot of moments. That teacher, I mean, he's very special teacher because I had him for three years. And this is the teacher. The teacher.

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We love him because he's awesome.

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I mean, he was like. He's one of those people. I look back now and like, I'd be friends with him as an adult.

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I can't believe I've never met him.

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I know. He's cool. He's. I mean, I don't see him often.

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Do you think he listens to the pod?

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No, I don't. I do not think so.

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But it does about me. Wrong.

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He seems like he's probably got other things going on, but I. But he was just. I had him as a teacher for a long time and I very much thought of him as like a very, you know, stable adult figure in my life. He was very cool, but he was super tall. And so I think as a kid I just would. I was very intimidated by him.

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Yeah.

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So I would cry a lot. I was a big crier as a kid though. Like, if I got in trouble, even in the slightest, I cried.

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Sure.

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But yeah, embarrassment is hard. I think I'll probably cry the first time if I ever have a kid. If I. I witness the first time they get embarrassed, that feels like that's gonna hit me because that's a really tough transition of like, oh, you feel embarrassment now and you're aware of the world around you and you're gonna start to slowly crumble under the. This pressure of society.

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So negative. You're also obsessed with being embarrassed though.

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I'm not obsessed with it. I just am.

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I think that's the biggest difference between

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you and I. I think honestly, though. Well, maybe not for you, but I think with age, I think I'm getting less and less embarrassed as the years go on.

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I think that's a common way to call me old.

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You know you're incredibly ancient. No, I think I've heard people be like, once I turned 30, I really didn't care. And I can already feel. I already have felt in the last two years. I find so much less embarrassment than I used to because my inner monologue is just like, well, who fucking cares?

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Yeah.

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Which I hope only grows over time. But I used to get embarrassed a lot when I was younger, but I'm like, so did everyone. I don't know. As, like, a teenager, everything was embarrassing.

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Speaking of embarrassing, something I should be embarrassed about. You desperately wanted to talk about this on the podcast, so I'm doing you a favor by bringing up what the one thing you wanted to talk about this week. What was it with my parents?

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Oh, my God, this was so funny. So I. Jordan's parents come over.

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They went out of town.

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They went out of town. They come over. They have some presents for us. I was like, oh, my God, that's. I didn't expect them to get me a present. I was like, oh, my God, that's so sweet. They give me mine first. I got a T shirt that was a blue T shirt with a Ford Bronco on it, which is because I famously have always wanted a Ford Bronco. A baby blue Ford Bronco. It's like my dream car, but I'll never get it because it's ridiculous. And I don't. I've test driven them. It's not like I. It's not like a dream car I'm striving for. I could go buy one. I guess. I just. It's unreliable. I mean, I don't want. Look, I do a brand deal with Ford if they ask, so I don't want to call it unreliable, but it's too silly.

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It's not the right car.

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It's not a right car for us right now.

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But you're obsessed.

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I think it's more of a second car type thing, and I just am like, it's silly. It's like something I want just for an aesthetic reason, and I just think that's irresponsible. And. And also, they don't have a hybrid version. There's like, a billion reasons I'm not gonna get one anyways. But I've always wanted one. So she got me a T shirt that's a baby blue shirt with a Ford Bronco on it. I was like, oh, my God, it's so perfect. And then they got me a. A scarf that was super cute and it has, like, dogs on it. It was so sweet. Then it's time for Jordan to open their presents. And they got a can of beads.

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My mom bought me a can of the Dr. Pepper baked beans. That's what my mom brought me back from their trip up to the central coast of California. She realized she didn't get anything for me, and she got this for me at the Ralphs in la. I'll tell you that right now.

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The second present Jordan opens, and they were like, oh, what? What is this? And they were like, well, it's earrings with a woman riding a horse. And Jordan was like, I thought you called me and told me you wanted to get this for Kendall. But then I told you that her ears weren't pierced and they were like, yeah, but so then we decided to get it for you because we realized, like, if you're wearing them, you're not going to be able to see them. So we got them so Kendall can look at the ear angst on you. And I just was like, this is incredible. It really felt good for me. And I could tell it really affected you negatively.

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It just was interesting, you know, But.

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And I do love the earrings. And I think when I get my ears pierced, they'll probably go to me. Well. But ever so often, I'll have you

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wear them so I can look unbelievable.

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A can of beans and a present for me. A can of beans and a present that is for me, not for you.

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Sick. Absolutely sick.

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Look, your parents love me.

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You're everyone's mommy's baby. It's sick.

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I'm just made for it. I'm just made for it. I'm just sweet.

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And I'm sweet, too. I just adultified my whole life. I don't know why. I don't know. It's a real chicken or the egg situation. I'm like, was it done to me and then now I seem so old? Or have I always just seemed like a 40 year old woman?

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I think maybe. I don't know. I don't think that you.

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Mind your own business, Kendall.

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I don't know. I think that, like, you don't give baby. I don't know, I just. Well, you're my baby. I think of. You are a baby me. I think if you acted the way you did around me privately, people would treat you like a baby.

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I would go to jail if I acted the way that I act around you publicly. All right, let's get into some questions.

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Okay.

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So these are all that people have sent in. They're needing our help. They're desperate. One of these came in 47 minutes ago.

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Oh, my God.

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So I said, let's get on it.

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Let's get on it. Let's go.

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This person says, my ex and I broke up about two years ago after a seven year relationship. We ended on reasonably good terms and still platonically see each other sometimes. Recently, a close friend of his who I hadn't seen in years contacted me and asked me out. We had a great time and would love to see each other again, but I now know he feels guilty about the situation. And neither of us would ever tell my ex that we're seeing each other. Parentheses, little offshoot. We wouldn't have to tell him as we're not looking to start a relationship. It's more of a friends with benefits

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vibe of the moment.

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Should I feel guilty about it too, or should I leave it to him to figure out? This is the first time I've dated or hooked up since our relationship ended. So getting out there with someone who I like a lot and isn't a total stranger feels too perfect to pass up. But I don't want to ruin a friendship. What should I do? We are all he him gays. Thank you.

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I'm trying to map it onto someone. Like, I'm like, okay, if you and I broke up and then two years later, Reika DMed me or texted me and was like, kendall, would you like to go on a date? Just physical.

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Well, I think that's okay. Two things I'll say. I think that's different though, because Rake is one of my best okay. Friends. And Reika and I have been friends for like 12 years. So I'm not saying that that would necessarily be bad if that happened, but I also don't know if that's what this situation.

[C]

Okay, I have someone in my head. I have someone in my head.

[B]

Who is it?

[C]

No, I don't know.

[B]

It's hard because you don't want to say it.

[C]

Well, what if they think like, I. What if they think they're your best friend? I'm trying to think of someone that's like, close enough with you that I would be like, oh, that's Jordan's friend. But not close enough that it's like 10 years best friendship. That's a lesbian. Cause Rika's not a lesbian either. So that was kind of a bad example. Cause there's a lot of layers to that. That would Be surprising.

[B]

Sure, sure, sure. I even think if you take lesbian out of it. If you're just like, okay, we had Siobhan here last week on the episode from last week.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Siobhan knows me more than she knows you, and I've known Siobhan longer.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

But if you and I broke up, we're still platonic friends. Yeah, we're still platonic. We're not friends. We're still platonic.

[C]

This is a bad example because Siobhan's an archaeologist, so already I don't care about not going to date her.

[B]

But no, I'm just like, Siobhan has known me longer and Siobhan knows me better. Siobhan knows you through me?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You and I broke up. It's been two years. You and I are platonic. Siobhan and I are friends.

[C]

No, that matters.

[B]

I think it's fine.

[C]

I don't think that matters. But that's a very specific. It's. It's hard because I guess to me, what I would think of is because I would know you well enough that I would be like, would Jordan care about this person? I think there are people that you. I would immediately know if that would bother you, if it wouldn't.

[B]

But do you care? You've been broken up for two years.

[C]

I think that all depends. I think if I broke up with you and it really fucked with you, which I'm sure it would.

[B]

Don't.

[C]

I would be more aware of what I did and how I proceeded. I don't. But also, I don't really think this person needs to know if you're just hooking up. But stuff always happens where, oh, you started hooking up and then now you want to date and things can snowball.

[B]

I think that's fine. Then they can tell them. I don't think it's on you. I think.

[C]

No, I don't think it's on you, but I think I would think. I think, you know, if you've been dating for seven years, you know, if that person is. It's going to upset them or not. You may not care. I think if we had a. If we both were good or if you broke up with me, if you broke up with me, you can do whatever you want. I can do whatever. Yeah, is how I feel. I mean, I'm not. I'm not actively trying to hurt your feelings or anything like that, but if I met someone and I like them and they happen to be close friends with you, and that I would be like, well, that's not really my business. But, yeah, I don't think it's really. I don't think you need to feel guilty. I just think feeling guilty doesn't help anything.

[B]

I think dating a friend's ex is worse than dating an ex's friend.

[C]

A friend's ex. Oh, yes.

[B]

That being said, I think you can do either. I don't necessarily think they're, like, morally corrupt.

[C]

I think a friend's ex.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

A close friend's ex. No.

[B]

Well, I think it depends on the situation.

[C]

I can't imagine a singular situation. Think of all your friends and all their exes. Any of those people that'd be appropriate for you to date? I.

[B]

But I don't think either one of them is, like, morally corrupt. I think it's also situation to situation. Yeah. It all depends on, like, how you ended things with your ex, how close you are with your friend. Because in this situation, there's both. One of them is the ex's friend and one of them is the friend's ex. So it's like both the people in this situation. Do I necessarily think that either one of them is inherently doing something wrong? No. I think there's so much more context. You have to know the situation. What the breakup was like, I think

[C]

could have been something kind of reaching out if they had just, like, bumped into each other at a bar and started chatting. Like, we're really hitting it off. But I think it really depends on the level of friendship, because I think if, like, we broke up and then I found out that, like, one of my pretty good friends reached out to you. This is. I don't know, like, if. If all I could think of is Eric, But Eric is a bad example.

[B]

Okay, let's. Eric Feldman, friend of the show. You guys know him from his episode, let's Bring Down. Eric's not gay, but Eric's one of your best friends.

[C]

I know.

[B]

So it's. That's okay.

[C]

But someone. Okay, but just bear with me. I don't have an example, but I think someone reaching out to you like that. If it's someone who hung out with us as a couple, that starts to feel a little like, oh, so it feels like you were kind of like you liked my girlfriend while we were

[B]

together, but it's two years later and you ended platonically. I think it's like, yeah, if it's right after. I'm like, a hundred percent.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, it's two years later. I completely agree. It depends on how close they are

[C]

to

[B]

your ex, because There are things where it's like, yeah, if I started dating one of Lily's exes. Yeah, she's straight. I'm gay. So that, once again, all these. Just forget sexuality for all of this. If I started dating one of Lily's exes, no matter how long it had been, whatever, I would have to tell her that, because that would consist of me lying to her or omitting the truth about what I've been doing. Yeah, I talk to her every day. So I would be intentionally leaving things out so she doesn't find them out.

[C]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

That becomes more.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

If I dated an ex of Patrick Keane, my good friend that lives in New York, Patrick and I don't talk every day. Patrick, you know, don't. Whatever. So I'm like, there's a world in which if I got synced up with someone he dated a long time ago and we were just hooking up, like, I don't know if I necessarily need to reach out to tell him that maybe he would want me to. You know, you have to know your friends and know what they would want. But I don't necessarily think it would help, especially if I was like, we're just gonna be hooking up. Then if you decide we're actually gonna date, then I would have a conversation with you that. That's how I feel about it to, you know, kind of, once again, like, forget everyone's sexualities. Or else.

[C]

This.

[B]

This story doesn't make sense. But I think that it's.

[C]

But I don't the way it matters. Like, I don't. I think that this situation is just, like, you're not doing anything wrong. But also, it's. It's. It could end badly. It's one of those situations where it's like, yeah, your ex could be really upset, and you can't really, like, control that. And also, that's not the end of the world. Yes.

[B]

It doesn't really matter if your ex is upset with you. It's more on the other person who's friends with your ex.

[C]

They were once again in the game.

[B]

Yes. But once again, what is. What does friend mean? People use that in so many different ways. But I think, like, a lot of things we've talked about, be mindful of if it's helpful. Once again, if I didn't tell Lily, I'm intentionally lying to her to keep something from her. If I didn't tell someone else, I'm having to reach out to them to be like, hey, just a heads up, you would Never know this. You don't need to know this, but

[C]

it's gonna ruin your day. Yeah, it's gonna ruin your whole day. I think that's, like, it's not helpful. I think if it was with you, if I was. If I was hooking up with someone that you knew, and I knew it was gonna, like, make you so upset, but I didn't want to stop doing it, I would probably not tell you because I would be like, what is the point? And also, I don't owe you any information.

[B]

Well, we're married, and that's called cheating, so.

[C]

No, I'm saying if we.

[B]

No, I know. I'm just kidding. I. Yeah, I think it doesn't really matter to your ex as long as, once again, you're not doing anything to, like, intentionally hurt them or be. Or be really awful. But I'm sure there are people that I am friendly with. Friends, positive acquaintances, people I've worked with that have hooked up with. My ex boyfriend. The last guy I dated before I was like, I know the one. Not. That's. This is actually not right for me.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gay.

[C]

I'm sure.

[B]

I know people in the community. I'm sure we have friends that probably hooked up with him at some point because he's also comedian, so he's also, like, around.

[C]

Right, right.

[B]

But I'm like, I couldn't be mad about that unless it was Lily.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I would be like, hey, that was crazy.

[C]

And b. Wow. Yeah.

[B]

Why didn't you say anything?

[C]

Right, right, right.

[B]

But someone that I'm just normal friends with, I'm like, yeah. I don't necessarily need them to come up to me and be like, hey, just a heads up, me and so. And so made out. And then one time we had sex. But then that was all it. I would just be like, okay, and that's your business.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I don't need to know. And he and I are on perfectly fine terms.

[C]

Right, right, right.

[B]

You know, so I hope we've given enough examples, both real world and made up.

[C]

I think it might have given a more confusing answer than helpful. We just named a bunch of people we know and then said, good luck with that.

[B]

No, I. I think we actually really helped a lot.

[C]

Yeah, no, we did. But don't feel guilty. I don't think that helps anything.

[B]

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[C]

Oh, this is like my dream scenario.

[B]

We were friends for two or three weeks, really only seeing each other at events or soccer. In that time we hooked up once. After we hooked up, we continued to be friends with some light flirting and the knowledge that we liked each other. I think eventually I caught some feelings, asked her to either go on a date or make it very clear with me that we're only friends. Her concern being that I was young and mine being that she was older. So maybe we wanted different things in these different timelines. We've now been on four or five dates and are Slowly attending things together and have been doing more PDA in front of mutuals. I got out of a relationship a year and a half ago, and I'm nervous to be in one again. But I know that I like her and that I don't want to end things. I think that she likes me more than I like her at the moment because I'm afraid to fall in love again and be vulnerable. How do I get over the fear of being so vulnerable and in a relationship again? And should I be more worried about the age gap? I found that straight people find the age difference more alarming than my lesbian friends. What do you guys think?

[C]

Well, you're asking the wrong.

[B]

You're asking the wrong couple because Kendall and I have an age gap. Not this level of age gap, but.

[C]

Well, yeah. What is it?

[B]

Well, 23 to 31.

[C]

Oh, I thought it was 24. I mean, that's still bigger, but I thought it was 24. But she's about to turn 24. When we.

[B]

We met, you were 21 and I was 26.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So I don't think reasonable age gaps matter, especially depending on your age. Obviously when you're 60, if you want to date an 80 year old, I don't think that matters. Yeah, if you're 30 and want to date a 40 year old, I don't think that matters. I think if you're 21 and want to date a 31 year old, I don't really think that matters that much. I think you're all consenting adults. I think if you're 18 and you want to date a 40 year old, I don't think that's a great idea. Do I think either one of you should go to prison for it? No, it's not my business. Do I think it's more weird when it's a man and a woman than two men or two women? Yeah, I think that's more weird. Yeah, but I'm like, consenting adults are consenting adults. You have to be able to learn for yourself, make your mistakes. But I think. Think 24 to 31, that's not. And you're both like lesbian soccer.

[C]

Well, because that's the thing. To me, you're clearly in a different place than a lot of 24 year olds. We're doing rec league soccer. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that is something 30 year olds do. Yeah. And I think that was my struggle is I was like, well, I'm doing things that 30 year olds do. So I'm around only 30 year olds. My best friend is. We have like a 10 year age gap. Not me and Jordan. Me and my best friend have a 10 year age gap. And, and all. A lot of my close friends have a 10 to 20 year age gap with me. So Jordan and I having a six year age gap. I, Jordan's like the youngest person I had dated for a while when we met and do some of those relationships. I look back and go, oh, probably a little too young. Probably a little too old for me. Yes. But I also am not. I don't think of it as like, I think of it similarly to a lot of things I did when I was young where I was like, well, probably wouldn't do that now, but a little, you know, I look back and I would do it differently, but it's not. None of them were. So I just learned from it. It was fine. It wasn't a big deal. I forgot I was kind of saying, no, you didn't.

[B]

You look back on it and you're like, oh, I probably would do it differently. But you don't feel like harmed by it?

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. And, and I think there are things I feel harmed by that are completely unrelated to age. And I think that can happen a lot too where it's like, well, I was harmed by this, but then we also had an age gap. So it can feel like it was the age gap. But I think it's very hard because I think you probably, at least in my experience, had a hard time connecting with people who are your age. And I know this sounds so cringey. Like I can feel it coming out of my mouth because it's giving girl. It's like, I'm not like other girls. Like, I'm really mature for my age. I don't think anything to do with maturity at all. I think it had everything to do with like the course that my life had taken. It's like I didn't go to traditional college and by that it's a nicer saying I didn't go to college. And so a lot of people my age were just in a very different place. They're living in dorms, they're, you know, moving back in with their parents for the summer. They're doing like a lot of things that's just very different. I was working a full time job around, paying my own rent, around a lot of other people that were much older. So you just find yourself unable to relate to those people as much.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Not to do with maturity. I could have easily, if I'd gone to college, connected more with people my age. But I think it is if you're doing soccer on a rec team, it just already feels like you're kind of in a more. I don't know why. That feels mature to me. I feel like doing a rec league soccer team is giving disposable income and, like, disposable time.

[B]

Yes. I think you got to get on the same page with what you want and what they want. But that's how I feel about anyone. Because there are people that are 23 and want to have a kid. There are people that are 45 and don't want to have a kid. So I just think you have to make sure with whoever you're dating doesn't matter their age. But I think sometimes it can be more pertinent with age gaps just to make sure you're on the same page. But once you're on the same page, who cares?

[C]

But so far, this feels really good. It feels like a really nice, slow, gradual, not panicked, still communication. Like, there were multiple points where I feel like you were like, we're on the same. Okay. We're communicating about what page we're on about it. I'm feeling really good about it. It sounds hot. You know, I'm biased because anyone playing any women's sport, that's gay. I'm like, this is my dream. This is amazing. We just were going down the WNBA rabbit hole last night on Tick Tock of who's dating who. So I'm in that headspace. But the. I think when it comes to you being scared of getting your heart broken again, I think I want to see you been brave.

[B]

I agree with Kendall. Get over it. It's loser behavior. I'm sorry. Not that you're a loser. I love you, but you have to get over it. Because people want to be like, well, if I'm not vulnerable, then I protect myself. Well, because. No, then you're alone, and then you're sad. There's no world in which you never get hurt again unless you kill yourself. And I mean that. You shouldn't do that. But do you know what I also.

[C]

You're getting. You're already getting hurt. It's like. It's this. This is what every romance book ever is about. It's like, you're already. If you don't date now, you're going to be sad. So what?

[B]

And if you break up in the future, maybe you're going to be sad. And then sometimes you're like, but that heartbreak will be worse. It won't being sad. You know what I mean? Like, it's just. You cannot stop yourself from ever feeling negative emotions. That's not how life works. And the more you experience negative emotions, the better you get at handling them. And we've talked about this before, but it's like your first heartbreak. It's like the scene in the Hurt Locke when the bomb goes off. It's like there's ringing in your ears. You're like, what's going on? I'm freaking out. I'm about to die. I've had much more serious relationships longer, you know, whatever. That didn't hurt nearly as bad because you're more acclimated to it. You know, life goes on. So it's like, yeah, when you date someone, you open yourself up to being vulnerable. When your friends, you open yourself up to being vulnerable. When you try a new hobby, when you get a new job, all of these things are opening yourself up to being vulnerable. I personally think the way I live my life, I don't ever think about that. I'm not being like I'm being vulnerable or I'm allowing myself to be. I'm just like. That is life. Life. There's nothing you're doing in life that's not vulnerable. It's your first time being alive. You have no clue what's gonna happen. You have no control over most things. You have to be vulnerable.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So you having this like false sense of control and security around being like, I'm gonna pick and choose about what I'm vulnerable with. It's like, well, no, you're always being vulnerable.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So let yourself have a little fun with it. Date this woman. If it doesn't work out, who cares?

[C]

You can always come back. Always get back to that good place. Yes.

[B]

So I think go for it. Everything about this sounds awesome and we're really happy for you.

[C]

And send us updates on it. Cuz I. I'm excited about it.

[B]

You gotta let us know.

[C]

All right. What's another question?

[B]

I have a small group of lifelong friends. We have all reconnected over the last few years and gotten pretty close. Me and my now wife are lesbians and have been together since 2019. And on New Year's Eve 2025, we got married at our local library with our two best friends. A couple months prior to getting married, I told my lifelong friends our plans. They had always been pretty accepting of my relationship, but when I told them we were getting married, they reacted very poorly and unexcited.

[C]

What?

[B]

It made me very Upset because one of the other girls had just recently gotten engaged and everyone reacted over the moon for her. None of them said anything to me the day I got married, and when I brought it up, they said they forgot. Me and my wife decided to have a marriage celebration slash reception party three months after our wedding. Some didn't come for religious reasons, and others did not seem to want to be there. I talked to all of them about how I felt, and the responses were not met well. I tried to look past it. I distanced myself for a while so I could process things. In the meantime, the other friend who was engaged, was thrown a bridal shower by the girls and had four more bridal showers. I spent a lot of time and money for the bachelorette trip and the bridesmaids necessities we all helped set up for her wedding the day before, which took hours. And then we spent the whole wedding day making sure it was perfect for her. Also, this is her second marriage.

[C]

Bye. Bye.

[B]

Bye. You're not harboring resentment by being like, you guys are losers.

[C]

That is so. Because also, most of the time, I feel like on this podcast we get questions where I'm like, okay, but I can't tell. It doesn't seem like you've communicated some. There's always two sides. Maybe someone's not communicated properly. Maybe there's a misunderstanding. Famously, I forget stuff, so I. I can relate to that. It sounds like you've communicated, kid. That, and it's that they're homophobic. That is clear. Why? Why do you have friends that are homophobic?

[B]

And even if they're not homophobic, who cares? They're being.

[C]

They are.

[B]

But even if they're not, but even if they're not, even if they're being like, well, we're not being. Who cares?

[C]

Well, they said for religious reasons.

[B]

Some of them, but not all of them. But, like, my point is, who cares? It actually doesn't matter. You don't need to have a justifiable reason.

[C]

No.

[B]

To not want to be around people that you don't feel like respect your marriage. People that you don't feel like treat you well. People that you don't feel like are considerate to you.

[C]

Well, that's like. I used to feel like I was saying this the other day to Jordan is that I used to have friendships where I would feel I would have no reason. The friend was very nice. They were doing nothing wrong. But at the end of hangouts, I would feel, like, insecure or questioning myself or like, oh, did they not really like Me. And I feel bad. Oh, should I not have said this? Overthinking ever so often. I have a friend like that. And my instinct when I was younger was to, like, reach out more, to be like, well, I need to make myself feel better. I need to, like, confirm that I. That because they didn't do anything wrong. So I need to solidify this so I feel less stressed out. And I started just being like, if I leave a hangout feeling depleted, insecure, I don't need to be friends with that person. They don't have to have done anything wrong. And most of the time I'm sure they didn't, but that's just not. You don't have to. You don't have to hang out with them. And there are people, and I don't dislike them, but I just don't have to hang out with them. And then there are people that I hang out with where I leave feeling so awesome, so good about myself. I mean, that's like whenever I hang out with Eric, it's like whenever I leave, hang out with Eric, I'm just like, my cup is so full, feels so great. And it's always been that way. I would never leave a hangout with Eric and be like, does he really like me? And it's like, that's who you surround yourself with. And it doesn't mean they have to have done anything wrong. I think these people did a bunch wrong, but they don't have to have done anything wrong.

[B]

Sure. Yeah, absolutely. I think it doesn't matter. I think you're getting a bad vibe. I think, get out of there. I think, to be honest, you've already done too much for them. I'm like, you should have cut and run a long time ago. Not to be judgmental of you and not to victim. But I'm like, you've already spent enough time with these people. Who cares? They seem like losers. And also, I don't think, as I've said many times, you, I don't think you can date, be friends with whatever people who have a different moral compass than you. That doesn't mean a different religion. It just means a different moral compass. So if part of their religion is that being gay is. Is evil, that is having a different moral compass from you. You can't be friends with them. I'm sorry. It's never, ever, ever gonna work out. The respect is never going to be there on either side. You're not gonna respect them, they're not gonna respect you.

[C]

Because you probably think they're kind of stupid 100. Like, I've had friends that when I was younger, because, you know, you go to school, so you can't really always control. It's like you have a friend where you're like, well, yeah, she's a friend of mine, but, like, I know her religious beliefs and I know her political beliefs, and I think she's kind of an idiot. And it's like, that's not fair to her. Like, what? She has a friend who thinks she's an idiot?

[B]

Yeah. Why do you even want to that?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think just cut and run it. You also seems like you weren't friends with them for a long period of time, so that you were fine without them.

[C]

You're having a wedding in a library. You have more class in your pinky than these people have in their whole body.

[B]

True.

[C]

I don't even know how to read.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm like, who cares? Get rid of them. It doesn't matter. More importantly, congrats on getting married. You got married right around the same time we did.

[C]

Congratulations. That's so exciting.

[B]

Huge. It's absolutely in. Incredible.

[C]

Incredible.

[B]

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[C]

Well, that's so hard.

[B]

This is so hard.

[C]

Not even just could you make it work. It's like, should you make it work? Because I think, truthfully, there's like. I mean, I don't want to make people sound replaceable because I. My wife is sitting right here. But I think there is truth to, like, you will find someone else. And I think how fruitful would your life be if you found someone where you could not just, like, get through it in spite of your career, but you could get through it where that is. Like, where it's not something that's whole. Like, you're constantly pulling this tug of war between your relationship and your career. And you are so young that it sounds like that's your number one priority. And I think it might just be better for you to be able to focus on that and then meet someone who's in a similar position as you or who doesn't know what they want to do and is fine to travel or. I don't know. But I think it's so sad because I Don't want to. I don't want to downplay the importance of that relationship.

[B]

Yes. I think that in no way is your ability to do long distance indicative of whether or not your relationship is good. Long distance can mean so many different things. Long distance can mean an hour and a half drive, or long distance can mean one of you is in Japan and one of you is in New York City. Time zones, work commitments, like all these things. Things. You can be in the same place and not be able to make a relationship work even though you guys are in love or great or the relationship's good, much less adding in all these external factors that you can't help. So I think it's very, very hard. I don't think it's a statement on either one of you. And as you guys know, someone has stitched on a pillow for us. If you are truly, as fate has decided, meant to be together, you will get back together. If you're not, you both will find people that make more sense for you. That, in my opinion, will always be true. So don't worry about it too much. This sounds like a great relationship. It sounds like you guys have a lot of love for each other, a lot of trust in each other. That's so incredible. And I'll even say on the flip side, I have been in a relationship where I was touring pretty much full time and the relationship was really good when we were long distance and not good when we were actually together.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I don't think we coexisted well. And I think we both needed a lot of space.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Partially because we didn't like each other that much. But I do think we liked each other in some ways and I think we enjoyed each other and enjoyed supporting each other to a certain extent. And so I think when I was away, it was very easy for us to just like shoot back and forth, some text messages, make some jokes. Jokes be like, let me know if you need anything, whatever. That doesn't mean that relationship was good just because it was good when we were right. Long distance.

[C]

Well, and I think there's. I knew someone who dated long distance for years and years and years, different countries, and are now married to that person and live together. But they were long distance for that whole time. Huge times time difference. And I remember it was obviously very hard. And I remember the girl being like. It was. It's really hard. But it also has been really nice because I feel like I've kind of gotten this. This life where I feel single in a lot of ways. Where I'm young and I get to spend so much more time with my friends than I probably would if he lived here. I get to really focus on me and focus on my wants and build my own life. And I have this partner that I love. And so even though it's been really hard and I haven't gotten the traditional dating experience, I also have gotten to know myself better than a lot of people who are in relationships. I feel like maybe get to. So I think there's multiple things. I think you just have to be like. Like what feels more. What feels more exciting to me? A future with this person or. I think what's hard about it is I don't feel like it's possible for you to picture a future with this person. That's what feels.

[B]

That's a little bit what the email's giving. And I think you have to be true to your. You. I think you have to.

[C]

That sounds like it's on a shirt at Claire's. I love it.

[B]

Well, and it should be.

[C]

You need to be true to your. You.

[B]

I just think it's like, I love that you know in your heart of hearts what you want.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think you got to go for it. And I think you can tell the person, I love you so much. I think you're so great. I don't think either one of us should have our lives put on hold for the rest of our lives.

[C]

No.

[B]

To not have the in person support of a partner, whatever. Because we want different things.

[C]

Because I also think there is something about building a foundation of like, I don't know. I feel like if tomorrow is like, I need to move to. To Europe for five years for this job that I really want, I would be fine to do that. Because we've had so many years together versus I think it is hard to start in that beginning phase not having that. You know what I mean? I think if you can build that together, then you can kind of go do whatever you want. But I think in the beginning it is tough.

[B]

And I think, you know, I think you emailing us, I think you being like, I'm. I just don't feel like it's going to work. Is telling you that's. It's probably. It's not what feels right to you right now. Follow that. That and everything will be okay.

[C]

Yeah, I agree. Because I also think everything will always work out. There's always paused. What are you laughing at? I just keep talking and you're like, kendall, stop talking.

[B]

No, I don't want you to stop talking. It just. We'll both be like, yep, yep. And then I'm like. Because I think. I know.

[C]

I'm really bad about it.

[B]

No, I love it.

[C]

Anyways, you guys, thank you so much for watching and listening.

[B]

Thank you for watching and listening, experiencing this, an amazing episode. Episode.

[C]

Sorry, I'm so tired.

[B]

That's okay.

[C]

I feel like I'm like. Am I doing, like, a really bad job?

[B]

You're doing an incredible job. Kendall left her vyvanse at home and forgot to take it, so she's feeling a little.

[C]

Can you believe it?

[B]

Insecure. I think you were perfect in this episode.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Everyone in the comments saw how perfect she is.

[C]

Oh, my God. I. Well, I thought it was in the car and then it wasn't. And of course I forgot it because I'm not on it.

[B]

No, everyone tell her, but don't. Don't comment on her body. Don't be perverted, but tell her how she does the episode.

[C]

I just spit on myself. Get me out of here. Just kidding. I actually had a great time and it was lovely to talk to you. I always feel like at the end, it makes it seem like we're not actually married in real life.

[B]

So, anyway, time to go back to our real families that aren't together, which

[C]

is in the closet of the studio. Thank. What?

[B]

You're just cute.

[C]

Oh, you looked at me like. You're like. Don't say that.

[B]

Don't say that. We live in the closet of the studio.

[C]

That's private information. Thank you all so much for listening. If you're listening on Apple podcasts, Spotify, anywhere you get your podcast, make sure to. I don't know. I looked at you. You're not listening to the podcast. Make sure to rate and review. And if you're on YouTube, make sure to, like, comment, subscribe. Thank you all so much for being here. We also have a Patreon where we're doing book clubs, we're doing extra episodes, we're doing little chats, we're posting little. Little mini vlogs. We're doing a bunch of fun stuff over there, so make sure to check it out. We've never really done a mini vlog, have we?

[B]

We have.

[C]

We have. Yeah. Check them out. Maybe we'll do some more. Thank you all so much for being here, and thank you for being here.

[B]

Thank you for being here, Kendall. And as always, this is a completely independently created podcast by me and Kendall with the help of John and Blake and Richie and some other incredible people. So you watching is starting a queer women and whatever I am run business.

[C]

Yeah, small business.

[B]

You ever think about that?

[C]

It's like they used to say when you shop at a Costco. Well, no, I like Costco. If you shop at a big company, you're paying for another dollar in a billionaire's pocket. If you shop at a local pasta shop, you're paying for kids dance lessons.

[B]

Lessons. All this to say I'm starting dance lessons. Thank you so much, and we'll see you next Monday. Bye.

[C]

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[B]

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[C]

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