49: Should You Be Friends with Your Ex? feat. Cameron Esposito

Summary

Podcast Episode Summary: "Should You Be Friends with Your Ex? feat. Cameron Esposito"

Episode Details

• Title: Happy Wife Happy Life
• Hosts: Kendahl Landreth and Jordan Myrick
• Guest: Cameron Esposito
• Release Date: January 27, 2025
• Episode Number: 49
• Topic: Amicable Breakups and Moving On

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Introduction

In Episode 49 of Happy Wife Happy Life, hosts Kendahl Landreth and Jordan Myrick engage in a candid and humorous discussion about the complexities of maintaining friendships with ex-partners. Joining them is comedian Cameron Esposito, who brings her personal experiences and insights to the conversation.

Opening Banter and Personal Anecdotes [00:02 - 03:18]

The episode kicks off with light-hearted banter about tattoos. Cameron Esposito shares, “[02:20] Maybe just no tattoos,” revealing her decision to remain tattoo-free to avoid potential future regrets. Kendahl and Jordan contribute by discussing their own hesitations and reasons for not getting tattoos, emphasizing the ever-changing nature of personal tastes.

Notable Quote:

• Cameron Esposito [02:20]: “Maybe just no tattoos.”

Physical Attributes and Self-Perception [03:18 - 11:07]

The conversation shifts to physical characteristics, with Cameron discussing her height and comparing it humorously to her exes. She remarks, “[04:05] We are absolutely related. You don't have to track it that far back,” highlighting the uncommon trait of both hosts having green eyes. This segues into a playful exchange about their heights and the stereotypes associated with being taller or shorter in relationships.

Notable Quote:

• Cameron Esposito [04:05]: “We are absolutely related. You don't have to track it that far back.”

Identity and Dating Experiences [11:07 - 22:21]

Cameron delves into her journey of self-identification, discussing her queer and lesbian identity. She reflects on past relationships with both men and women, stating, “[10:06] I have ex boyfriend and I have an ex boyfriend and an ex husband.” Kendahl and Jordan explore the nuances of dating within and outside one's gender identity, touching on societal expectations and personal comfort levels.

Notable Quote:

• Cameron Esposito [10:06]: “I have ex boyfriend and I have an ex boyfriend and an ex husband.”

Androgynous Fashion and Gender Expression [16:10 - 22:21]

The trio transitions to discussing fashion and gender expression. Kendall expresses her admiration for Harry Styles, saying, “[14:38] I was gonna say Harry Styles felt right. You dress kind of like Harry Styles, and that's a compliment.” Cameron adds, “[16:10] I kind of do want to dress like a boy, but like a female flaming, like, over the top fl.” They debate the challenges and freedoms that come with androgynous clothing choices, highlighting the influence of celebrities on personal style.

Notable Quote:

• Kendall Landreth [14:38]: “I was gonna say Harry Styles felt right. You dress kind of like Harry Styles, and that's a compliment.”

Amicable Breakups and Moving On [22:56 - 35:42]

Cameron shares her philosophy on amicable breakups, emphasizing the importance of moving forward without lingering attachments. She advises, “[24:45] If you do have somebody else in your life, they have to know about it.” The discussion highlights the need for clear boundaries and the challenges of maintaining friendships with exes, especially when there's an imbalance in emotional investment.

Notable Quote:

• Cameron Esposito [24:45]: “If you do have somebody else in your life, they have to know about it.”

Green Flag Segment [29:36 - 35:42]

In the "Green Flag" segment, the hosts and Cameron share positive traits they value in others. Jordan mentions, “[30:03] somebody who's not squeamish... somebody who would take care of me,” linking it to her mother's nurturing nature. Kendahl discusses the benefits of children participating in pageants, framing it as a way to teach resilience and public speaking skills.

Notable Quote:

• Jordan Myrick [30:03]: “somebody who's not squeamish... somebody who's not squeamish at all. I'm like, that person would be a good mother. I say, that person would take care of me.”

Listener Questions on Friendships with Exes [45:06 - 60:12]

Listeners submit questions about balancing friendships with ex-partners and their social circles. One question addresses maintaining close ties with an ex's friends while feeling hesitant to invest similarly in the ex themselves. Cameron advises firmly, “[47:06] No, stop this. You're being ridiculous.” She elaborates that maintaining friendships with exes' friends can lead to unnecessary complications and emotional strain.

Notable Quote:

• Cameron Esposito [47:06]: “No, stop this. You're being ridiculous.”

Another listener question explores being friends with an ex without harboring romantic feelings. Cameron responds thoughtfully, “[57:09] You're completely right there,” emphasizing the importance of honesty and mutual understanding in current relationships.

Notable Quote:

• Cameron Esposito [57:09]: “You're completely right there.”

Humorous Banter and Pop Culture References [35:42 - 66:47]

Throughout the episode, the hosts and Cameron infuse humor and pop culture references to keep the conversation engaging. They discuss classic TV shows like "Friends," share funny personal stories, and playfully tease each other about physical attributes and past experiences.

Notable Quote:

• Cameron Esposito [41:24]: “Oh, come on.”

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reiterate the importance of setting healthy boundaries with ex-partners to foster personal growth and maintain current relationships. They encourage listeners to reach out via email with their questions and engage with the podcast on social media platforms.

Final Quote:

• Kendall Landreth [66:47]: “Thanks for being here. And stop talking to your exes.”

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Key Takeaways

• Amicable Breakups: Maintaining friendships with exes is challenging and often requires clear boundaries and mutual emotional investment.
• Personal Growth: Moving on involves prioritizing current relationships and focusing on personal well-being.
• Communication: Open and honest communication with current partners about past relationships is crucial for trust and understanding.
• Healthy Boundaries: Setting limits on interactions with exes and their social circles helps prevent emotional strain and confusion.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Cameron Esposito [02:20]: “Maybe just no tattoos.”
• Kendall Landreth [14:38]: “I was gonna say Harry Styles felt right. You dress kind of like Harry Styles, and that's a compliment.”
• Cameron Esposito [24:45]: “If you do have somebody else in your life, they have to know about it.”
• Cameron Esposito [47:06]: “No, stop this. You're being ridiculous.”
• Jordan Myrick [30:03]: “somebody who's not squeamish... somebody who's not squeamish at all. I'm like, that person would be a good mother. I say, that person would take care of me.”
• Cameron Esposito [57:09]: “You're completely right there.”
• Kendall Landreth [66:47]: “Thanks for being here. And stop talking to your exes.”

Conclusion

Episode 49 of Happy Wife Happy Life offers a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and practical advice on navigating post-breakup friendships. Cameron Esposito's contributions provide depth to the discussion, making it a relatable and insightful episode for listeners grappling with similar relationship dilemmas.

Transcript

[Jordan Myrick]

What's the best time of day to get a deal?

[Kendall Landreth]

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[Cameron Esposito]

All day big deal meal.

[Jordan Myrick]

You get to choose from four entrees like the supreme croissant and five tasty sides, plus a drink starting at $5.

[Kendall Landreth]

So hurry in or take your time. You've got all day at Jack.

[Jordan Myrick]

Every bite's a big deal. Welcome to Happy Wife, Happy Life.

[Kendall Landreth]

We're your hosts. I'm Kendall Landreth.

[Jordan Myrick]

I'm Jordan Myrick.

[Kendall Landreth]

And we are two incredibly unqualified but.

[Jordan Myrick]

Deeply in comedians who are here to help you with all things relationship. And today we have Cameron Esposito here with us to talk amicable breakups and moving on. Wow. Hello. Thanks for being here.

[Cameron Esposito]

I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled to be here. You both look so cute.

[Kendall Landreth]

Oh, my God.

[Cameron Esposito]

A lot to say about this kind of sort of practical tennis shoe as a punk rock statement.

[Jordan Myrick]

Let's hear about it.

[Cameron Esposito]

Well, no, just I. You know what I don't have is a single tattoo.

[Jordan Myrick]

Neither do I.

[Cameron Esposito]

Wait, are you serious?

[Jordan Myrick]

The only three lesbians? And so that's what I feel like.

[Cameron Esposito]

I feel like the snake is eating its own tail. We're like 20 years ago, 15 years ago, 10 years ago, even five years ago, the wildest thing you could do is be covered tip to tail.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

With tattoos.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

But now my pristine slate. That feels bad. Empty. Rock and roll.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Absolutely.

[Kendall Landreth]

What's your reasoning behind it? Because for me, I'm like, I know I would regret it because I would pick the worst tattoo. And what I like changes so constantly. And I know that if I started getting tattoos a while ago, I would have a mustache on my finger. For sure.

[Cameron Esposito]

Understood. You know, I feel like for me, when I was younger, I think it was like, maybe fear based. And then also, you know, I was all over the place. I had a lot of. I had a lot of different thoughts, different days.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

And the most, the time that I've been the closest to getting a tattoo, which was immediately a large, like, breastbone tattoo that a tattoo artist actually talked me out of. I was also in a manic episode because I have bipolar disorder. Sure. So now I know. Maybe just no tattoos.

[Kendall Landreth]

Can I ask what it. You cannot answer. Of course. But what the breastbone tattoo would be?

[Cameron Esposito]

It was like a very. It was like an animal bursting from my chest.

[Kendall Landreth]

Wow. That.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's really giving mania.

[Kendall Landreth]

I will say relaxing, like Twilight style. But a baby coming out of her.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah. Or alien. That's a classic one.

[Jordan Myrick]

Interesting.

[Cameron Esposito]

I think that, you know, that's how it feels to. To be in a manic episode is that your heart is leaving your body.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure.

[Cameron Esposito]

And I didn't really know that's what was happening at the time. But now looking back, I'm like, boy, did I really visually nail it for myself. But hopefully not ever do that.

[Kendall Landreth]

Particularly, man.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. I feel like I'm the opposite of the two of you. I've been this exact way and looked almost this exact same way since I was born. And I have the same interests that I've had most of my life. I've been very consistent. Mostly just don't have tattoos out of fear of my dad being disappointed in me.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yep.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's probably the biggest one. And then secondly, laziness. A lot of money, a lot of time to actually go actively do it. And then third, they really scare you out of it in acting school.

[Cameron Esposito]

Can I ask you a question about your hair?

[Jordan Myrick]

Please.

[Cameron Esposito]

Is that when you said you look like this since you were a teeny baby?

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes.

[Cameron Esposito]

Is this the hair?

[Jordan Myrick]

So as with all white people, I used to be blonde.

[Cameron Esposito]

I see.

[Jordan Myrick]

But I had this same haircut. So I used to be blonde and have straight blonde hair until I got my period when I was about 10. And then my hair became brown and curly.

[Cameron Esposito]

Right.

[Jordan Myrick]

But I've always had this haircut. I've always had front bangs.

[Cameron Esposito]

Thank God. Well, first of all, there's something to revisit there, but thank God you don't have blonde hair anymore because of. Because this would be so tough. But because. Do you both have blue eyes?

[Kendall Landreth]

Green eyes.

[Jordan Myrick]

Green eyes.

[Kendall Landreth]

Not common. And we both have green eyes.

[Cameron Esposito]

Oh, my God.

[Jordan Myrick]

We are absolutely related. You don't have to track it that far back.

[Cameron Esposito]

So there's a. There's a taller situation. You're taller, unfortunately.

[Jordan Myrick]

She is taller.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yes. By one inch.

[Jordan Myrick]

She's five eleven.

[Kendall Landreth]

I'm five'nine No, I am not.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes, you are.

[Kendall Landreth]

I'm five'nine and I go to the doctor, and they tell me that she's.

[Jordan Myrick]

Not five'nine because I'm five'nine I'm five'nine she's five eleven.

[Cameron Esposito]

But we all are too tall. You gotta shrink the classic, well, five'four babe.

[Jordan Myrick]

You're really small.

[Cameron Esposito]

I mean, I actually am teenier than one would think.

[Jordan Myrick]

So tiny.

[Cameron Esposito]

Especially on stage. I think I have a, you know, big, kind of commanding presence. Of course, I'm the same size as all the other, I think, you know, icons, if I may say, Tegan and Sarah, Brandy Carlile, the Indigo Girls.

[Kendall Landreth]

Tegan and Sarah are shorter than that, aren't they?

[Jordan Myrick]

They're tinier than you, I feel like. No.

[Cameron Esposito]

Well, they're. They're. I think they're five'two or five'three Small figurines.

[Jordan Myrick]

Bigger than y'all?

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Why are you so.

[Cameron Esposito]

So what?

[Kendall Landreth]

What's the. What.

[Jordan Myrick]

What are your. The Gremlin.

[Cameron Esposito]

Oh, come on.

[Jordan Myrick]

The Gremlin.

[Cameron Esposito]

Not the lady Gremlin.

[Jordan Myrick]

She's so sexy. I love her.

[Cameron Esposito]

It's too small to be me.

[Jordan Myrick]

I.

[Cameron Esposito]

Look at that lipstick. Never one time.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure, you two are different. I'm not saying you're the same, but I'm saying I do have figurines bigger than you.

[Cameron Esposito]

Oh, my God.

[Jordan Myrick]

I was so jealous of people like you growing up.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yes.

[Jordan Myrick]

I feel like my whole growing up was me and a very tiny girl playing a game, and she lost, and then she started crying, and then a teacher or a parent had to come over and be like, jordan, you're so big and disgusting. Why were you so mean to that very small baby? And I'm like, oh, we're actually the exact same age. And she was being mean to me. And they're like, no, you're simply too big. Because I hit maybe five, seven in, like, the first or second grade. So I was legally a giant.

[Cameron Esposito]

My best friend. And we've been friends Since. For over 30 years. And she was. We went to grade school, high school, and college together. We've known everybody each other has ever met. And she was. She's 5 10. And she was 510 when we were in fifth grade.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

And so I know a little bit about what you're talking about. Only because I saw what her experience was when she was taller than the teachers. And in, like, school pictures, they obviously back center. Very, very back. Yeah. And she's, like, looking down on the teacher. I mean, this is. I think this was a lot. But for me, because I've kind of always been a sports guy and then transitioned to the job that I have as a standup comic. I don't know how. I don't know what size I am. There's one thing else.

[Jordan Myrick]

When you say you transitioned to the job you have now, were you a professional athlete?

[Cameron Esposito]

No.

[Jordan Myrick]

You're really being generous with the word transition. It feels like, so you just did sports and then became a comedian.

[Cameron Esposito]

I think what I mean by that is, like, you know how a lot of, you know, you talk about theater school or whatever. I never took, like, a single acting class or, like, actually had never taken an improv class before. I was a professional improviser. I just. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Jordan Myrick]

You're so small and you're so talented.

[Cameron Esposito]

Then I got to go back and take them for free because I was already working. But my point is, I, you know, as a big jock, that's like a.

[Kendall Landreth]

We were small jock, tiny little baby jock.

[Jordan Myrick]

Damn little jock. Coming to NBC this fall.

[Cameron Esposito]

And then, you know, started doing stand. Well, started doing improv, sort of was working professionally, started doing standup. And then I always thought, like, I would be the wrong thing for any sort of tv. Well, first of all for stage and then certainly for like television. You know, I moved to Los Angeles because I wanted to be able to afford a couch. And in Chicago I had hit the limit.

[Kendall Landreth]

And you thought Los Angeles would be.

[Cameron Esposito]

Where that I was like, listen, man.

[Kendall Landreth]

You move to la, you can get.

[Cameron Esposito]

One couch shooting couches out on.

[Jordan Myrick]

And it did work for you. That's what's always interesting. It did work for you. And now you have, I'm guessing, more than one couch.

[Cameron Esposito]

I have two couches.

[Jordan Myrick]

I knew it.

[Cameron Esposito]

I knew it.

[Jordan Myrick]

Two couches for someone so small.

[Cameron Esposito]

Come on, what the heck? And I'm bigger than my wife. She's smaller than me.

[Kendall Landreth]

It's like a little mouse pack. Yeah. Two couches. That's amazing.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think it's very endearing when people find people the same size as them.

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, it is endearing. I. I've not always dated people that were my same size. I have, you know, I had. Well, I'll be honest. I've always been surrounded by like tall people. Like friends. I always have, like very tall friends. Then that's why I think I'm the same size as them. That's incorrect.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure.

[Cameron Esposito]

And you know, I dated like super jock dudes who were either basketball players or football players. So they were kind of tall. And you know, I have an ex husband who's a lot taller than me. And I just happened into this relationship now where when we are buying a couch, you have to go to the store and make sure that your feet can hit the ground. I mean, even right now, if I leaned back, like if I was sitting, how you all are sitting.

[Jordan Myrick]

Wow. See, we have the opposite problem. We have to sit all the way back pressed against the chair because if we don't, we're just look, we sit at the edge.

[Kendall Landreth]

It's sick.

[Jordan Myrick]

Scary.

[Cameron Esposito]

But I actually am into that.

[Kendall Landreth]

I thought that was cool. I thought that was really cool.

[Jordan Myrick]

Wild. Thank you. Okay, now I do want to touch on this.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yes.

[Jordan Myrick]

How do you identify. Who do you date? I know you're married, so you're dating no one. But who conceptually do you date?

[Cameron Esposito]

Um, well, you know, I, well, identify as queer and also, I guess lesbian.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

But not necessarily in a. You know, I have traditionally I dated dudes. I think I was friends with those dudes.

[Kendall Landreth]

Great, Cool.

[Cameron Esposito]

I then after that dated a series of people that at the time I dated them all identified as women. I will say that now, you know, two of these people have transitioned not from athletes into standup comics, but the hardest of transitions.

[Jordan Myrick]

They have the one that the government's attacking.

[Cameron Esposito]

They have transitioned. And so, you know, I have ex boyfriend and I have an ex boyfriend and an ex husband. And I actually think that's pretty awesome. It's a real privilege to have, you know, been identifying as lesbian, identifying as queer for so long. And then, you know, realized I was actually sharing a lot of space and time and love with dudes because I don't hate dudes. I just find that a certain percentage, and it's about 10 of dudes hate me.

[Kendall Landreth]

Only 10 hate you.

[Cameron Esposito]

Maybe it's more.

[Jordan Myrick]

You seem like someone that men would love.

[Cameron Esposito]

A lot of men really love me.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

And I get, you know, I actually only recently had to try really hard to make female friends besides this best friend because I didn't think we had a lot in common. We can come back to that.

[Jordan Myrick]

We'll touch on that.

[Cameron Esposito]

We do have a lot in common.

[Kendall Landreth]

But you and the friend or you and women in general?

[Cameron Esposito]

Me and women.

[Kendall Landreth]

Cool.

[Cameron Esposito]

I was like, well. Cause I also am like, I identify as, you know, a gender fluid, like gender non conforming person. And I didn't ever think I was like enough of a girl or enough of a woman to be part of the team. And that's been a huge area of growth for me where I realized that like, actually women haven't necessarily been pushing me out of the membership. I just have been opting out. And so now I have this funny. It's like I have a queer circle of friends and like these dude friends who are all giant. And then I have this like group of women that I'm friends with and they're all like really girly straight women that are like a group of friends that I joined recently for my birthday. We went out to dinner and they were all, all wearing a very cute turtleneck sweater. I. I can see some turtlenecks in the room with us now. They were all wearing a very cute turtleneck sweater and like a certain type of jeans. And something was going on with their hair that all seemed pretty similar.

[Kendall Landreth]

Sure.

[Cameron Esposito]

In, like, a aesthetic, even though there's a lot of differences between them. And then I was wearing, like, pretty large pants with workout yoga shorts underneath them and a crop top with no arms. And I was cool. Yeah. I thought, this is. We look different.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes.

[Cameron Esposito]

But also member of the team.

[Kendall Landreth]

Exactly. I don't think they care.

[Cameron Esposito]

I think they actually kind of think I'm cool.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. So nice. You know, we talk about that a lot on this podcast because Kendall and I both identify as genderqueer and also lesbian, but also, like, I guess sexually queer in general. And I'm like, lately with the Internet lesbian community, I'm like, do you guys want to be, what, New York City police officers? Like, relax. What's wrong with you? Like, one time, Kendall was like, chanting, tatum's hot. And they were like, then you're not a lesbian. And I'm like, you have to go to the hospital. You have to go to some kind of, like, psychiatric care facility to receive help for how kind of heterosexually obsessed you are. Because I'm like, queerness is a spectrum. And if you personally don't feel like it's a spectrum for you, that is your business, and I love that for you. But historically, this community has always been very spectrum based, very open, and it's like all these people just now wanting to be like, well, this is this, and this is that. I'm like, relax.

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, One thing I will say so first of all, I couldn't agree more. And second of all, I do disagree with Channum Tatum, and that's just like, be careful.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

He's a friend of the show, so you need to be careful.

[Kendall Landreth]

He's a friend of the show.

[Jordan Myrick]

He's a huge friend of the show.

[Cameron Esposito]

I like his dancing.

[Jordan Myrick]

Thank you. That's good.

[Cameron Esposito]

He's just not my type.

[Jordan Myrick]

I get that.

[Cameron Esposito]

My high school boyfriend, actually. I guess maybe that's who he looks like the most. Well, one of them. Who's my type? Jason Momoa, as you know, very hot.

[Kendall Landreth]

Very.

[Jordan Myrick]

Jason Momoa is extremely hot.

[Cameron Esposito]

And there's something like a little feminine that he's okay with, even though he also has a giant muscular body.

[Kendall Landreth]

Sure.

[Cameron Esposito]

And again, that's actually kind of the same size person I think I am in my mind. There's something about Jason Momoa where I think, if I slept with this guy, I'd finally have a chance to fuck myself.

[Kendall Landreth]

Wow. That is a lot to take in. I think that you think that absolutely.

[Jordan Myrick]

Beautiful woman I love that. I think that's truly incredible.

[Kendall Landreth]

Wow.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think I look like.

[Cameron Esposito]

When I see myself, I think that guy, Harry Styles and Bowie, like, that's who I think I look like.

[Kendall Landreth]

I actually do get that. I get that.

[Jordan Myrick]

You do look like Harry Styles.

[Kendall Landreth]

I was gonna say Harry Styles felt right. You dress kind of like Harry Styles, and that's a compliment.

[Cameron Esposito]

He's so cute.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

He has given me so much room to actually kind of open the. Again, like, perceived femininity of clothing, because the way he dresses is so, you know, he's next. He's like, in the Bowie line of Ascension or Prince or whatever, where they're, like, doing gender fuckage. But he's also such a sex symbol. Anyway, I'd like to say to him, thank you.

[Kendall Landreth]

Oh, I love that.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah. For like, making the room so that I know what I can wear and still preserve my. Well, you know, and I think it's.

[Kendall Landreth]

Hard because even with the straight women you were speaking of, where they all dress the same, I think what is hard is, like, a lot of them may not even want to dress like that, but I think it's very hard because. And I remember talking to my therapist being like, I'm not like, I don't want to dress like a boy. You know what I mean? But I also don't want to dress like a girl. And these clothes just don't really exist. And, like, now brands are starting to, like, have more androgynous clothing and stuff like that. But I think they're like, sometimes the clothes, you're just like, what is there for that I fit into. That's fine. That works, and they don't. It's really hard to, like, cultivate a closet that's androgynous, and it takes, like, a lot of time. You know what I mean?

[Cameron Esposito]

Absolutely. I kind of do want to dress like a boy, but like a female flaming, like, over the top fl. Like, you know.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

I want to dress like a.

[Kendall Landreth]

Like a showman.

[Jordan Myrick]

You know, I regularly.

[Kendall Landreth]

You want to take a top hat?

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes.

[Cameron Esposito]

Like, I do. Yes.

[Jordan Myrick]

I regularly feel jealous of very flamboyant gay men. Regularly.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landreth]

I.

[Cameron Esposito]

Well, and also, weirdly, I think I also. This is so wild. I think I want them to be straight. That is how it's. You know, this is like, I think where I today imagine. I think that when I look at, like, a straight boy who's very flamboyant and a showman, that's, again, who I think I am.

[Kendall Landreth]

Well, that's like, I'm Very attracted to Jason Statham.

[Cameron Esposito]

Jason Statham is extremely cool. Again, not really like my type.

[Jordan Myrick]

No.

[Cameron Esposito]

But I really think he has a great sense of humor and is, like.

[Jordan Myrick]

Terrific actor and such a good stuntman. Such a good fighter.

[Cameron Esposito]

Incredible.

[Jordan Myrick]

I'm sorry. I'm like, if you can watch someone fight really well, like, it's hot. When I watch Jackie Chan movies, I'm like, look at how good he is at karate.

[Cameron Esposito]

It is really hot. I would like to also go back to the idea that, like, you can be a queer person or lesbian and think men are attractive, which I love. I will also add that. That although I believe one can think men are attractive, I believe they're the. I believe that not just me, but it's my personal belief that nobody should find it attractive when men kiss women on the shoulder from behind. This is in television and film a lot.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay.

[Cameron Esposito]

And it is. It's so disgusting.

[Jordan Myrick]

I feel like this is something you like, and I feel like they've done it. You like it and you like it. I feel like you would like that.

[Cameron Esposito]

Disgusting.

[Kendall Landreth]

It's however. Well, it depends on how they shoot it in a movie. If it's like, you don't see him, and then he kind of pops up. No, I don't like that. But if Channing Tatum kind of comes in, I like it. I will say I think there's something bizarre about being gay. Like, I being a lesbian and this the couple men I am attracted to. You would think it would be the opposite. I think you'd think, like, oh, you'd like kind of a girly man.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landreth]

But I think I see straight women be like, I love Timothee Chalamet. And I'm like, that's crazy to me. But you think, I would like him as a lesbian. But when there ever is a man I want to date, it's like a Jason Statham, a Channing Tatum. And I think it's because the one thing a woman can't give me, and honestly, most men could never get me. Give me. Is someone just, like, lifting me over their head.

[Cameron Esposito]

I definitely want to be picked up. You know, just classically. I also, you know, I'm so glad I have the experience of, you know, being the picker upper, because I'm actually quite strong.

[Jordan Myrick]

You have suitable arms. Show your arms.

[Cameron Esposito]

Oh, they're, like. Not like. Oh, they're not like. They're not. I didn't. I haven't.

[Jordan Myrick]

I've seen them before.

[Kendall Landreth]

Come on.

[Cameron Esposito]

I think the tricep is really where I'm Shining these days.

[Kendall Landreth]

Wow.

[Jordan Myrick]

They're incredible. Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

But, you know, picking up is a lot of. We got a lot of legs in that. I can do that. But I do want to. One of the guys I dated, I wasn't really interested at all, but he could put me on his shoulders during concerts.

[Jordan Myrick]

Huge. Huge.

[Cameron Esposito]

I didn't even really like he was a nice. He wasn't a nice guy. I dated a lot of nice men. This guy was not nice.

[Kendall Landreth]

Right.

[Cameron Esposito]

But he had that going for him. And it was. That's almost impossible to turn away from.

[Kendall Landreth]

And so you've had a lot of exes.

[Cameron Esposito]

I have had a lot of exes, yeah.

[Kendall Landreth]

And you now are married.

[Cameron Esposito]

I am married, yeah. Which is an absolute second marriage. I'm in a second marriage zone, which I think, like, I don't know, I know that this is becoming more common, but just because of how long we've been able to be married. Given that both people I married at the time I married them had like a W on their driver's license, I do think it's like, you know, kind of a particular feat to be on my second marriage.

[Jordan Myrick]

You want us to be impressed by.

[Cameron Esposito]

The fact that you're on your. I think if I was on my third, then you could really be like, whoa, you. No, not, not.

[Kendall Landreth]

Relax.

[Jordan Myrick]

You'd want us to be more impressed.

[Cameron Esposito]

I think you'd be like, wow, how.

[Kendall Landreth]

Did you achieve that? Boom, boom, boom.

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, wow.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay, well, that's a good way to look at it.

[Kendall Landreth]

Well, what I will say is two marriages to me is. Is. Is impressive. And we've talked about this on the show before. We're like, two marriages is really hot. Because that person is like, they. They know what didn't work last time. They've been through a. Like, they have a lot of knowledge and wisdom. But I think some people hesitate to get married that second time because they're like, well, marriage was so bad before. It didn't end well. Did you hesitate at all or were you like, no, it's. Let's go. Let's go. Two for two. Let's go again.

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, I really always wanted to be a married person. It's just, like, true. I also, you know, I mean, I spent a lot of my life as a dirtbag. Right. Like, you know, a stand up comic in their 20s is not known for their stability nor their decorum. Yeah, Decorum, work or good choices. Right. And like, if, you know, if I were to go back to that time and sort of describe it to you, like, I Rode a bicycle as my mode of transportation. And I wore, like, jorts. And I also carry a backpack with, like, my notebooks in it, and it had those water bottle things on the side, you know, And I would keep in there two bottles of Pepto Bismol.

[Jordan Myrick]

Oh.

[Kendall Landreth]

Because two is crazy.

[Cameron Esposito]

Two is crazy.

[Kendall Landreth]

Jeff needed one.

[Cameron Esposito]

You chug through the first. And. Anyway, so my point is.

[Jordan Myrick]

Makes it seem like you and a friend were gonna team up and shotgun them.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah. The first thing you do once you get a bottle of Pepto Bismol that you're put in the side pocket in your backpack is throw away the measuring cup. Because that's not how you're.

[Jordan Myrick]

Because you're on your bike. That's flying off immediately on the go, man.

[Cameron Esposito]

But the reason I'm saying all that is I feel like I frontloaded a lot of, like, backpacking, like, riding buses, you know, on the east coast, or like, moving to Europe with absolutely no objects or being in the circus, you know, there's a lot of things that I do.

[Kendall Landreth]

Were you.

[Cameron Esposito]

Oh, yeah.

[Kendall Landreth]

Amazing. We'll get into that later.

[Cameron Esposito]

No, it's almost better if you gloss over that.

[Jordan Myrick]

I don't want to know anymore.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

And I feel like I front loaded all that. And then I got, you know, into my 30s and then my mid-30s, and I was like, you know, what experiences I haven't had? Like, domesticity, relaxation. Yeah. Relaxation. Holidays.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

A night off. You know, like, there's just a lot of things I hadn't experienced.

[Kendall Landreth]

I. Yes, I totally get that.

[Jordan Myrick]

Absolutely. Now I'm curious. Do you think an amicable breakup is generally the way to go?

[Cameron Esposito]

I. Number one.

[Jordan Myrick]

No.

[Cameron Esposito]

Leave him. Leave him in the fucking dust.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's what I think. That is what I think.

[Cameron Esposito]

I only have, like, two people that I dated who Maybe three. The boy with the shoulders were not. That's not.

[Kendall Landreth]

What do you do at concerts?

[Cameron Esposito]

No, I. I don't go to concerts.

[Jordan Myrick]

Oh, God, Come on.

[Cameron Esposito]

Be honest. I go to the VIP section.

[Jordan Myrick]

All right.

[Cameron Esposito]

Side stage, backstage.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's concert. I sit Malia Obama shoulders with my good friends.

[Kendall Landreth]

For sure.

[Cameron Esposito]

No, like, those two. And then there's, like, two other people I don't have great relationships with. I think they were more attached than I was, which I think is also true for that boy. I think that. That. That one is hard to hang onto when there's, like, a big differential in attachment. But I think when there's an equal level of attachment after a moment, I think it can be really possible to. Yeah. Like, develop a Sweet friendship. I don't think one should become incredibly close friends. Except of course, in the case of like, for me, somebody I was previously married to, there was such a level of like commitment and intimacy. We also worked together and so that that person I'm, you know, interested in like a sort of also work in the same field. It's like unavoidable. It's like the choices, like have it.

[Kendall Landreth]

Be bad or have it be good.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah. The choices like close friends or like weirdness forever. So anyway, really excited about that situation.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

But I think one of the best ways to stay amicable with one's ex is to move on.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

And I mean like, you don't have to move on by dating or marrying somebody else, but like, certainly cauterize that wound, however long that takes and not by continuing to have sex. Right now.

[Jordan Myrick]

It's a good place to start.

[Cameron Esposito]

But you know, I could go through some of the things I've done that weren't that effective, like having sex. I'm trying to think if I've actually done. I have done that.

[Kendall Landreth]

But what do you think is the benefit? Because to me, when people are like, well, we're trying to work on a friendship, I'm like, why? But like, what, like, what do you do? Have you ever been like, no. And I understand with like that example you like work together, so you have, you have to have some sort of working relationship. But in general, what do you find is the benefit to keeping a relationship with an ex?

[Cameron Esposito]

I. Here's what I'm saying. I don't think it's a. I don't think it's a close relationship situation. I'm in an unusual position where because of my job, I travel a lot.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

And so I see people that I used to date sometimes they'll come to shows and it's this nice thing of like catching up in like a way that feels kind of the same way that I catch up with like my college friends.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

I'm not incredibly tight with them, but I would love to see pictures of their children, you know. And I kind of feel like that's the level that we should be going for. And I think especially as queer people, we might see those folks even more often than a college friend. But I think that's what we're really looking for. Vibe wise college friend.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

And maybe some people that are listening to this are quite young and they think, but wait a minute, aren't my college friends going to be my friends forever? And the answer, and I'll deliver This directly to camera is.

[Jordan Myrick]

No, I think what you're saying is so smart, even just using the word vibe instead of relationship. What we're looking for is a vibe. We're not looking for a relationship with an ex.

[Cameron Esposito]

To me, I think that, yeah, like I said, I really only have one close. I really only have one friendship. Like, close friendship. And the rest are, like, you're saying a vibe. And I love that. I really also love that I know what people are up to. Like, I think that is totally permissible and awesome. Final second point. If you do have somebody else in your life, they have to know about it. Yeah, Absolutely. Nothing sneaky. And also, like, they should kind of know who that person is, where they live, like, in proximity. Like, do they live in the city? And then if you see them, you have to tell the person you're with.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's what I'm always like, what's the long game with this? Like, I think it's the same when people break up and they're like, well, we're gonna be best friends. Or someone breaks up and they're like, we're sure. Custody of our dog. And I'm like, well, this is. And for some people, it works. But I'm like, but what happens when someone else comes into the situation?

[Cameron Esposito]

Well, first of all, may I say from personal experience that dog custody is the stupidest fucking thing to try in the world. Did you do.

[Kendall Landreth]

You did?

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah, I tried it. And dogs. You know who doesn't like that? Dogs.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's what I said.

[Cameron Esposito]

Like, dogs don't like that.

[Kendall Landreth]

I said, and I love. I. Jordan had a dog when we met. I do feel, and I mean this, like, she came out of my vagina. I feel that way, and that's silly. And I haven't had real children, if you can tell.

[Jordan Myrick]

Big dog, small, Small, Small dogs could come out of her vagina.

[Kendall Landreth]

Could come and did fall out of my vagina.

[Jordan Myrick]

But still.

[Kendall Landreth]

We were talking about this the other day. I was like, if something ever happened, I really do think I would be heartbroken, but I would be. Like, one of us keeps the dog. Like, keep the dog. Whoever's staying in the house keeps the dog. Whoever. I mean, you know, your parents live closer, so you keep the dog. And I would cry myself to sleep, but I'm like, the dog does not want to pack up a little duffel bag and go from house to house. And in my head, my dog literally thinks I'm its mother and, like, thinks about me all the time. But she probably would forget about Me after two months, or she would, like.

[Cameron Esposito]

Know about you, but be able to be where she is.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah, because they're so. They're also so territorial. Dog, especially our dog, is so territorial. It's like she wants to be in her house. She doesn't want two houses that she's going up to. So it always feels very bizarre to me.

[Cameron Esposito]

I think that in my experience, dog needs a place where they feel comfortable. And I will also add that it's, you know, I in. I have heard, and I believe this is like, dogs don't have a sense of time. So just imagine that she would just always think you're about to come home.

[Kendall Landreth]

Oh, God. That's devastating.

[Cameron Esposito]

It's devastating.

[Kendall Landreth]

She said, couple more minutes.

[Cameron Esposito]

That is. That's. That is like, actually why. One of the reasons I had to step away from this situation is that my former dog would sit waiting at the door, and I was like, listen, kid, I don't know. This is too much. This is too much, bro.

[Kendall Landreth]

Way too much. But then if I had, of course.

[Cameron Esposito]

I was also seated at the door waiting.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The dog was mimicking your baby.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do a segment called red flag, Green flag.

[Jordan Myrick]

Ooh.

[Kendall Landreth]

So every single week, we are going to say our little red flag or our green flag. And this week, we're do green flag.

[Jordan Myrick]

Things are really negative, so we thought we'd go green flag this week.

[Cameron Esposito]

Keep positive. So tender and appropriate.

[Kendall Landreth]

We're very sweet. You know, we're very sweet.

[Jordan Myrick]

We're trying, but we'll just. Each one of us say a green flag that maybe has been resonating with us recently. I'll start. I'll say a green flag for me is somebody who's not squeamish.

[Kendall Landreth]

Oh, okay.

[Jordan Myrick]

I love if somebody's, oh, you just threw up. Let me clean it up. Oh, you got to cut your bleeding. Let me suck the blood off your finger.

[Kendall Landreth]

Oh, wow.

[Jordan Myrick]

Whatever it is. I'm like, somebody who's not squeamish. That feels so selfless to me. I understand. People are going to be like, I can't help that I'm squeamish. I can't help that I faint when I see blood. That's fine. But to me, when I interact with somebody, that's not squeamish at all. I'm like, that person would be a good mother. I say, that person would take care of me.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yes.

[Jordan Myrick]

And I like that. And maybe that's me projecting, because my mommy is a caretaker. My mommy's a nurse, and she's not squeamish at all. So when I see someone else that I say, oh, you're a good caretaker, just like my mommy.

[Cameron Esposito]

Are we allowed to. Can I tell you something truly disgusting?

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah, please, let's go.

[Jordan Myrick]

I'd prefer it.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah, I. So I. I was. I had like six months this year when I was incredibly ill.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay.

[Cameron Esposito]

And I like actually almost passed away.

[Jordan Myrick]

But you're better now.

[Cameron Esposito]

I am a lot better now after six surgeries. It was bad.

[Kendall Landreth]

God.

[Cameron Esposito]

And during.

[Kendall Landreth]

I'm so sorry. I don't know what else to say about it.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay.

[Cameron Esposito]

It's what happened. But anyway.

[Kendall Landreth]

Okay.

[Cameron Esposito]

It's gonna have a. It's gonna have a point here. Okay.

[Jordan Myrick]

Thank God. It relates back to me.

[Cameron Esposito]

It relates back to you. And it's also, it's like a green flag. And it's also, it's like something I didn't know to even wonder about in a relationship. So part of this is that I had C. Diff, which is like a really bad thing that happens in your intestine.

[Jordan Myrick]

Absolutely.

[Cameron Esposito]

And it was already really, really bad. But I needed to be tested. And I actually couldn't make it to the hospital, but I already had an infectious diseases doctor. So what they said was just do like an at home. Again, so sorry to the listeners. Stool sample kit. I've done this to bring it in. Right. But I was incredibly ill, Very, very ill and unable to prep that myself. And so my wife did. And to do that, what you have to do is like you have to go. You have to go. You have to go poop in a small potty. You gotta go poop in the potty. A little fake potty. You gotta go poop in a little fake potty.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's actually very respectable because when I had to do it, I just put a plastic bag from Gristide's on the floor and I went to the bathroom in that.

[Cameron Esposito]

Can I ask you some follow up questions, please. Did you then put it into a stool sample container or did.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay, okay. I scooped a little with a plastic spoon into the stool sample bag.

[Kendall Landreth]

Oh my God, that's horrible.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's what you have to do. And then I walked around midtown Manhattan with it and took it to the doctor. It's not a great system they have.

[Cameron Esposito]

But no, you have to sift and scoop. And my point is. So that's. So I had. So I so ill. Had to go poop in the potty. Left wife came in, scooped up, scoop a Rooney scooperoony.

[Jordan Myrick]

What did I say? What did I say that's a caretaker.

[Cameron Esposito]

I couldn't even. It's not one of the. It's not something we can talk about.

[Kendall Landreth]

And you not more in love with her.

[Cameron Esposito]

But on my.

[Kendall Landreth]

In that moment, I just thought, I.

[Cameron Esposito]

Okay. You know what I mean? I thought, wow, would you do that for her? I'm sure I would. It. I don't think it's something that you can pre plan knowing.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay.

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, like, I'm sure I would. We've had. We've, you know, we've had our fair share of, but I mean, you have to.

[Kendall Landreth]

You can't. You can't break up. Then. That's a terrible time to break up someone.

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, if somebody's about to bite the dust, I feel like it's like, I think your head is also elsewhere. Like you're not totally present.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes, absolutely. Your body prepares your mind to do things that you wouldn't normally do if your. Your loved one is dying.

[Kendall Landreth]

You also know the person's gonna be like, I can't believe they're doing this for me. Which is incentive to be like, I'm going to look like I'm really. That's totally true.

[Cameron Esposito]

Absolutely had no choice but to be like, actually, just FYI, I'd do it again.

[Jordan Myrick]

You know what I mean? Like, there's no other choice. Absolutely. I love that. Kendall, your green flag.

[Kendall Landreth]

Okay. My green flag is. And I think this, you know, is debatable, but I. We've been watching a lot of toddlers and TRs recently.

[Cameron Esposito]

Oh, okay.

[Kendall Landreth]

We've been doing a rewatch and I used to be like, how horrible. This is absolutely terrible. These parents are terrible. This is so traumatizing, and it is. But I am kind of saying green flag is putting your kids in pageants. I think the more I watch it, the parents can be bad. Sure. But if I was the parent, a famously probably good parent, I'm like, I've seen some kids recently, and I think a lot of them could use.

[Cameron Esposito]

I see.

[Kendall Landreth]

Could use. Could use it to go up on stage, dance to royalty free music, and then be told they're ugly. I really do think so. What do you think? It's hard work. I think they learn that sometimes no matter how hard you work, you lose because of your natural abilities and what you're born into. I think they learn that not everything's about them. And I think they learn that public speaking is an important skill and they need to be able to go up on stage and shake their ass and give it all they got.

[Cameron Esposito]

What I like about what you just said is it did make it sound like public speaking is going on stage and shaking your ass. Because they were. Because the particular.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah, it can be syntax of that statement.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's the right word, you guys. No, that's the syntax. But it's what I said.

[Kendall Landreth]

I just think there has to be. And I think some of the parents, they take it too far and they're bad. But I was even saying I used to be like, well, natural pageants are a little more ethical. I think it's the opposite, because to me, that's so sad to have a kid go up their natural look.

[Cameron Esposito]

What is a natural pageant?

[Kendall Landreth]

There's two.

[Jordan Myrick]

There's glitz.

[Kendall Landreth]

Children.

[Cameron Esposito]

I gotta get all the way.

[Kendall Landreth]

You gotta come over.

[Jordan Myrick]

You gotta be watching this.

[Kendall Landreth]

Sit on my lap. What do you say? There's glitz. Okay, well, there's semi glitz, high glitz and natural. And a lot of parents who think they're better than everyone else are like, I only put my kid in natural pageants because she's a child and it's her natural. To me, that's fucked. You have your kid up on stage, hardly any makeup, their natural hair, natural skin tone, and someone's like, you're not pretty enough for us today. That's hard. To me, glitz, it's like drag. These kids, they're spray tanned eight shades darker than they naturally are. They're babies, right? They have fake hair and they have fake teeth, right? They're sometimes colored contacts, right? This is not a reflection. Whatever they win is not a reflection of them. So to me, at this point, we're doing a costume contest. They know responsibility because some of them don't practice the way they should and they don't win. But then some of them don't practice. And guess what, Cameron, they've got natural talent, you know, and they pull it through. And I think there's. I think there's just a lot of lessons in pageantry that I'm bringing it back.

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, one thing that this helps me with is, you know, sometimes people might ask, do you wear makeup in your day to day life? Like to anybody, right? And I'm always like, you know, not really. I don't really wear makeup. But now what I'll say is I actually go natural pageant.

[Jordan Myrick]

And they'll know what you mean. Yeah. And they'll respect it.

[Kendall Landreth]

Right.

[Jordan Myrick]

Because they're the most ruthless.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kendall Landreth]

You go natural, you go full natural. You don't have fake teeth.

[Cameron Esposito]

I came here today, natural pageant yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

You left your big clip on wig. The fall, as they call it.

[Kendall Landreth]

Too far. I wouldn't let my kid do the swimsuit stuff because what, what are we doing here?

[Cameron Esposito]

I mean, number one, I have both actually worn a clip on wig. Of course, circus doesn't matter.

[Jordan Myrick]

No, no, no more, no more. Don't say anything else about that.

[Cameron Esposito]

And I, you know, I was a swimmer. I have certainly spent so much time in a swimsuit around just all different kinds of people. Your parents, your parents, friends, the boy you're dating, his parents. You know what I mean? And then at that point, all the choice is body shame or no body shame. Of course I chose body shame.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure, of course.

[Cameron Esposito]

And I work on that.

[Jordan Myrick]

To the still, what else, what else would you choose?

[Kendall Landreth]

Well, there is something beautiful, I will say, because we all know what we looked like in third grade. I feel like we all have the same body in third grade. What did you.

[Cameron Esposito]

Wait, what's this body?

[Kendall Landreth]

You know, you get a little. Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Kind of shaped like a kind of torpedo, like almost.

[Cameron Esposito]

I think that's what I want.

[Kendall Landreth]

You get kind of like a beer belly for some reason because.

[Jordan Myrick]

Well, you know what it is? I think what it is is it's that period of time where you're. You still have your baby fat, but you're about to get your period. So you're developing like quote unquote woman fat. So you have this period where it's just kind of like your body is both childlike and womanly at the same time. So you become just kind of, I don't know if I want to say the word oblong. Is that correct? I'm making this gesture.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's exactly what it is.

[Cameron Esposito]

It's like an apple body, I think is how that's described. Because there's like a pear shaped body and then there's like an apple.

[Jordan Myrick]

Apple is, is kind of solid in the middle. Yeah, solid.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's a good word.

[Cameron Esposito]

I'll say. One of the most devastating things that's, you know, ever happened to me is that my older sister and younger sister are both dancers. So during that part of their life, they stretched.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yep. That's very traumatizing.

[Cameron Esposito]

And I did not stretch.

[Kendall Landreth]

Why didn't you do dance?

[Cameron Esposito]

I did do dance. It didn't work.

[Kendall Landreth]

I was stretching just as much.

[Cameron Esposito]

Their bodies went like. What I mean is their bodies, their bodies stretch.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

And now we all have the same body. We all ended up in the same place, but we had a different milestones along the way.

[Kendall Landreth]

Well, when I see it, because I remember feeling body shame at first in, like, second grade, you know, like, looking at myself and being like, well, you just look like an idiot in the mirror, you know, And. And so sometimes on Toddlers and Tiara is very upsetting. Ever so often, I see a girl that looked like me in third grade get up on stage in a bikini, completely just shaking it, right? She gets off stage, her mom's like, you're so hot. I'm sure this is traumatizing in eight different ways, but I'm also kind of like, you know what? Hell yeah. Hell fucking yeah. That's awesome. She thinks she is, like, the hot. You can see it. You could tell she's like, I look so hot. And so is there something a little perverted about having children be in swimsuits? 100%. But I'm just saying. I think there is. I'm just saying, if I lived in the south and I had a kid right now, I could see pageantry in our future.

[Cameron Esposito]

And you wouldn't want to have heard, you're perfect just the way you are. You'd want to have heard sexually hot. Like, you'd want to.

[Kendall Landreth]

Well, I would.

[Jordan Myrick]

I'd say, you need to.

[Kendall Landreth]

I need. You need to look presentable. You need to get your shit together.

[Cameron Esposito]

Okay, Got it.

[Kendall Landreth]

So once you say, yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

If my parents had put me in drag and said, you look hot when I was 8, I would be like, this rules.

[Kendall Landreth]

Okay.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

And I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, but for me, personally, I would have been like, this is awesome. Yeah, that's what I'll say.

[Kendall Landreth]

I mean, I think. Right? I. Yeah. So I. I was just watching it. I was like, there's more lessons in this than I remember. I think what's hard is the parents that get attracted to doing pageants are absolutely insane. And I'm like, if that kid had been in football, they would still be traumatized. Their parents are nuts.

[Cameron Esposito]

Right, right, right.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's what's traumatizing. But if you're just putting them in a wig, flippers and spray tanning them and be like, go dance to Madonna on stage. The instrumental version, there's some lessons to.

[Jordan Myrick]

Be learned that's not super different from what I did in community theater.

[Cameron Esposito]

I'm realizing there's something that maybe I could help with right now. Hey, Kendall, you're hot.

[Kendall Landreth]

Thank you so much.

[Cameron Esposito]

You look so hot. Jordan, you're hot. You look so hot.

[Jordan Myrick]

Thank you so much. And you know what?

[Kendall Landreth]

You look so hot.

[Jordan Myrick]

You also look very hot today.

[Kendall Landreth]

And you know that I.

[Cameron Esposito]

No, I. I need to. Come on.

[Kendall Landreth]

You look incredibly hot.

[Cameron Esposito]

Oh, come on.

[Kendall Landreth]

You look so hot.

[Cameron Esposito]

Oh, come on.

[Jordan Myrick]

It's true. You just do this for the rest of the. But we need to know your green flag. What's your green flag?

[Cameron Esposito]

So, actually, it's interesting because of how much it relates to what you both are saying. Mine is somebody who has a relationship, a close relationship with either a child or an older. Or an older person. Now, caveat. The child has to be known to them in a. In a. Either they nanny for this person, they're a neighbor, or a. Or a family relationship.

[Jordan Myrick]

I don't think anyone thought you were gonna be talking about a stranger. I love an adult that finds a stranger child and takes a deep vested interest in them. I don't think anyone thought that's what you were. For example, every week I go to the park.

[Cameron Esposito]

So I. Because I. Here's what I think. It's. Sure, we can have relationships with our peers. However, I think that somebody who. So I have an. I have a niece. I just saw her very recently. She's pretty rad. I'll give you an example, and I think you'll both be like, this is an important person to know. We were seeing some sea lions. She said this. She likes to name things. She's seven. Like, so she's like. And she has a. She'll be like. She's pointing at the sea lions. She says, okay, this is Thaddeus. This guy's Bartholomew.

[Kendall Landreth]

Oh, my God.

[Cameron Esposito]

This is like, you know, Ichabod or whatever. And then she points. She goes. And that's Kevin. Kevin 2. Kevin 3. That's funny. Just as a classic comedic rule of threes.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's funny.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah. And also, like, long, unexpected name. Kevin. Kevin Tooth. Kevin three. That's funny.

[Kendall Landreth]

It's a double joke.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah. Then she went to a basketball game with my mom. She was afraid of the mascot because it was a demon.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's funny.

[Cameron Esposito]

So she. My mom said, don't worry. Actually, that's just a. That's just a nerd wearing a costume. Now, again, offense, because I was, of course, the mascot, but, well, you got.

[Jordan Myrick]

To be tiny to fit in those costumes.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah. Yeah, she's. My mom said, that's just a nerd in a costume, My niece says, or a stack of babies.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's funny.

[Cameron Esposito]

This is funny.

[Kendall Landreth]

That's funny.

[Cameron Esposito]

Now for me to really understand, hey, I might have confidence about your 2 ability to crack a joke, but here I am relating this person as a peer. They're Very young. This, I think, is a good way to be. I think this is a good way to be. To appreciate somebody as a peer who's a lot younger. There's a lot of things we're not a peer on. Sense of humor. Absolutely. It's a match. It's a one to one.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

I do want to know, does it scare you the younger person's coming for your job?

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, she has actually. She's seen me do stand up when she, you know, starting when she was young. And recently she said she was like asking me how a show went. And she said what was the best joke that I would have gotten? Which I thought was a great.

[Kendall Landreth]

It's so smart. It's like she knows. She's like, I don't have a ton of knowledge. Cause I'm this age.

[Cameron Esposito]

What would I have gotten? I thought that was a great question.

[Jordan Myrick]

I love that. Cause she wants to enjoy it.

[Cameron Esposito]

She want. Exactly, exactly. She wants to enjoy it. Or. I was just. Final point. I was really close with my one grandma, my nana, and like hung out with her. She, of course, you know, I don't have to tell you, she lived till two days before her 100th birthday. My aunt had. Had planned a really elaborate 100th birthday party for her. She openly said she didn't want to go. So she died.

[Jordan Myrick]

I love that.

[Cameron Esposito]

Instead of attending.

[Jordan Myrick]

I love that. A family of comedians.

[Cameron Esposito]

She decided to die and then we buried her on her birthday instead. Now that's amazing.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's awesome. Really funny. Turning a birthday into a funeral is really funny.

[Cameron Esposito]

So funny. And so anyway, my point is, if I hadn't had these experiences, I would feel so limited in my life. And this is the. You know, my wife, Katie, she's great with my niece. She had a grandmother she was really close to. I think this is what we're looking for as a, from a, as a, from a green flag perspective is somebody who understands, hey, I'm gonna get material out of this relationship.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yes.

[Jordan Myrick]

I love that.

[Kendall Landreth]

So we're about to ask questions about amicable relationships with exes, about moving on. And we asked you all on Instagram and also on Patreon, and also some of you emailed in what questions you have. So if you want to email us your question@hwhlpod questions gmail.com, please do so. And if you're not following us on Instagram or on Patreon, please do all right.

[Jordan Myrick]

If you're not following us on Instagram or Patreon, what's going On, I don't know. That's what I have to say. Thought I was gonna get kind of more like group support from that.

[Cameron Esposito]

I thought something else was gonna happen. No, no space.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's it. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. All right, this person wants to know, how do you balance being friends with your ex's friends? My ex and I broke up amicably, but part of the reason was because I was doing all of the work to take care of our life and our relationships, and he was mostly coasting through. We were together for four years, and I'm now really close with some of his lifelong friends. I love those friendships and want to keep them, and I'd be very happy to be friends with him, too. The problem is that he isn't someone who maintains his friendships well. So I'd be doing the work to reach out, check in, organize catch ups. Is it okay to be better friends with his friends and just be acquaintances with him? He's a good guy, but I just don't want to be in the position of doing all the work again.

[Cameron Esposito]

No, stop this. You're being ridiculous.

[Jordan Myrick]

Really? Which part?

[Cameron Esposito]

You cannot be close friends with your ex's friends. Everybody gets to. They come in with their friends and they get to leave with their friends. I really believe that. Now, friends that were made together, that blows. Because even if parties don't claim them, there's that hurtful experience where somebody will choose, and that's the moment of, like, pick me, choose me, love me. And sadly, it doesn't always go that way.

[Kendall Landreth]

But what if it's like, you've been together so long? Like, you were. You're married. You've been together so long.

[Jordan Myrick]

How long were you married? I need to know this.

[Cameron Esposito]

I was married only for, like, two years.

[Jordan Myrick]

But how long were you together?

[Cameron Esposito]

We were together for, like, seven, eight years.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay.

[Cameron Esposito]

So I certainly knew. Right. You know, we had a communal group of friends that we were very close to. We also, I, you know, I definitely knew their friends.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

And they knew my family. I was less close with their family and all of my friends. You know, the person. I'm saying, my oldest friend in the world married us. Like, that's the person that. What's the word?

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

Convened at our wedding and anyway, I just feel like, I think, you know, for every person, a reason or a season. I really don't think we can hold on to our ex's friends. I don't think it's healthy for us.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

I don't want to see that person like at with a group of friends that they brought in for a Super bowl party or something more appropriate that involves less head injuries.

[Kendall Landreth]

Why are the super bowl parties causing head injuries?

[Cameron Esposito]

Well, because of sports. Football.

[Jordan Myrick]

The sports cause in the industry, not the party.

[Kendall Landreth]

What are you doing at your.

[Cameron Esposito]

You invite a bunch of your ex's friends over and you hit them in that head with a baseball bat.

[Kendall Landreth]

All right. I was like, I'm starting to see why you don't think it's appropriate to be friends. Because the way you handle it is.

[Cameron Esposito]

This is a non starter. I really think this is.

[Kendall Landreth]

You really believe that?

[Jordan Myrick]

I would not have instinctively said that. And that's why it's so important for us to have guests on. Because for me, I'm like, I don't know. Whoever these people want to be friends with, they can be friends with whoever they want. But I understand what you're saying about friends and friends out. I think you can still enjoy them from afar. I think you can have a fine relationship with them. Do you need to be BFFs with your ex boyfriend's college best friend who you didn't know until. Just go make some new friends. I don't think I felt that way coming into this question, but I think you've changed me and I think I feel that way now.

[Kendall Landreth]

Well, what is hard. Can I ask one more thing, please? What do you think when you know.

[Cameron Esposito]

I don't know why you mean not my podcast.

[Kendall Landreth]

Please, may I please ask some more questions? I. What if, you know, if you ever had where you meet your partner's friend and then the two of you, it's like they were friends, but the two of you just connect in a way that you're like, we actually are probably more suited to be friends.

[Jordan Myrick]

Who are you thinking of? I'm actually not thinking of. Which of my friends are you thinking of?

[Kendall Landreth]

I'm not actually all your friends. I feel like I'm connected in a level that you just haven't. No, I don't even have anyone in mind. But you know, you meet someone's friend and then you're like, oh, we're really hitting it off. Off. You still think. Bye.

[Cameron Esposito]

I gotta say, I even think like, let's do an example of friends. I think it, you know, okay, so it's your. It's your. It's your girlfriend's like, acquaintance. They've met four times, they've known each other for two months. You guys become friends. That makes sense. But even your friends, friends. Do you know that thing Sometimes people do where like, it's like you've been friends with this person for 10 years, then that person you introduced to a new friend and that new friend or old friend start to develop a relationship. They hang out without you. I'm not saying it's not possible or we need to restrict each other. I'm just saying that can be painful.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

That feeling of like, oh my God, so I've just been replaced. Especially if it's like that older friend. But then if you add like something, especially like a marriage. And you know what, there could be exceptions to this. You've been friends with somebody for 20 years or whatever because they were friends with your ex husband. And so you're like invited to the wedding. It's a one off.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, you're. That's. I think. Okay, but this is not your circle of friends.

[Kendall Landreth]

Right? Okay, I totally.

[Jordan Myrick]

And you must accept that I hear that my ex partner and I broke up about two months ago after dating for nearly a year. I won't go into details about the breakup, but you should know that it ended semi amicably. There was no cheating or big wrongdoing, just different life paths. The final conversations were difficult and they definitely said things that weren't super nice. But we decided to end where we could still be friends after going. No contact for a little while. I haven't seen or heard from them in two months on anything because they're not on social media much. And then suddenly today I see a photo dump from them where they have four pictures that I took. One of which was from a date that we were on a few months ago. Immediately I was hurt and started crying because it all felt so fresh. I can't help but think that they did this on purpose to make me feel some type of way. But then again, maybe they just really like the pictures of themselves. Am I wrong for feeling like this was on purpose and being hurt? Do I say something to them? How do I move on from this?

[Cameron Esposito]

Wait, this is like. This is an Instagram photo dump. That's what they're talking about.

[Jordan Myrick]

Instagram photo dump. And in. Then they're not act. This person sounds like they're not active on social media. And then out of nowhere, after this breakup, they did a photo dump on Instagram. Four of the pictures were pictures taken by their ex.

[Cameron Esposito]

Here's a question. Why is this person not muted or.

[Jordan Myrick]

Blocked in his feed? That's the right question.

[Cameron Esposito]

Look, man, it can be really hard to see either old photos or new photos. Yeah, we don't want to see photos.

[Kendall Landreth]

We don't see any.

[Cameron Esposito]

Get out of here with the photos.

[Kendall Landreth]

No photos.

[Jordan Myrick]

Photos are not for your eyes.

[Cameron Esposito]

I think even a classic short term block, totally fine.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

But certainly a mute certain. We don't need. We don't need. So that's, I guess my. It feels a little bit like a self generated problem that I'm not saying they knew about. But now you have the info, talk to your friend about it. Be upset and mute.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah, well, and because I think too people like, well, I'll go search their name. And it's like, well, yeah, I used to block an accident. Then every hour on the hour I was searching to see if they post anything new. But you have to actively, every time I would do it, I would be like, kendall, why are you doing this? And if you're having an awesome day, nothing's going to smack you in the face. You are gonna have to actively go seek something out. I will say in defense of the ex, I hate to do it. I take a photo I like of myself, like once every four years.

[Jordan Myrick]

One of my exes still regularly uses a photo that was taken of them while we were dating and together. At this point, I don't know, seven years ago, they'll still use it regularly. I'm like, God bless, if you love a photo of yourself, just. Just use it. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't think it matters, like, unless it's like an offensive photo, like, just use it.

[Kendall Landreth]

But I think it's hard, kind of what you were saying. Honestly, it's so hard. It's so hard going through a breakup and seeing something. I remember going through a breakup one time and the person went on their stories and was talking about how they'd hooked up with someone and they were like making a joke about it and I was like dry heaving in my bathroom at 19. Very upsetting. But anything's going to upset you. Like you said, a new photo, an old photo, something's going to upset you. And if it is them trying to do it to hurt you, it's like better reason to block them.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes, you should not care unless you are actively trying to get back with them. It does not matter if they are trying to make you happy, make you sad, make you scared. It doesn't matter what they're trying to do. It is fully irrelevant to you and your life.

[Cameron Esposito]

I also would say, I think that, you know, just. I don't know if this would be helpful to this person. But like, this is. Everybody's having this experience. Like, this isn't you.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

So therefore, for me, I would err on the side of they're not doing it to hurt you intentionally. And also just as a. As a rip to my Google images, after having a very public marriage and then ever trying to find a picture of myself ever again, I will say that it's a lot better now than it used to be because there's a lot of photos now of my wife Katie and I. But for a long time.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sounds like Getty Images was not kind to you.

[Cameron Esposito]

Getty. Or even just like. And not that one is constantly googling oneself, but sometimes you're trying to fight. Well, when was. When did I go to that thing?

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

What did I wear to this thing?

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah, you can't rip. It's tough.

[Cameron Esposito]

Rip.

[Kendall Landreth]

Tough to.

[Cameron Esposito]

Tough, tough.

[Jordan Myrick]

Really sad stuff. All right, we got time for one more, and then we'll be answering even more of these questions over on our patreon. So head over there if you're interested. Can you be amicable with an ex and not have feelings for them at all? My current boyfriend finds it weird that my ex girlfriend and I still communicate. She and I took on shared responsibilities when we were together, as in buying a house and adopting multiple pets. Oh, anytime we communicate, it's about the pets. Weather she needs help taking care of them or just a check in. He thinks if I'm still communicating with her, that I still have feelings for her. Her and I mutually broke up. I don't have romantic feelings for her. But he just doesn't believe it, man.

[Cameron Esposito]

No, I think. Okay, here's what I think about this. Once you love somebody, I really believe that you always love them. Now, does that mean you want to sleep with them, be in a relationship with them, that you remain, you know, sexually attracted to them? All those things don't necessarily have to happen. But I do believe that, like, the closest of love, I. I think that's in there. Indelible mark. Now, I don't know if this person. What I will say is like buying a house, having shared pets, like, that's an investment that for me, I would make like if I loved somebody. And so I. I almost feel like there's like, a bit of, like, disingenuousness here. Not just with a current boyfriend, but, like, with self around or their current boyfriend. But with self around.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

Like, you probably love this person. And so does that mean that, like, your relationship is at risk? Probably less so if you can admit that to Yourself and to this person. Because I just think. I just think. Otherwise, it's like there's a denial thing here that. That I feel like is a little bit more worrying.

[Kendall Landreth]

Okay.

[Cameron Esposito]

Like, we're just checking in on the pets. We're just doing a check in. It's like you're keeping this person in your life. Why? Is it because you two had love for each other? Okay, well, then you probably still do. Does it mean you have romantic feelings? No, but do you see what I'm saying? There's, like, a distinction here.

[Jordan Myrick]

Absolutely.

[Cameron Esposito]

That if she's like, there's nothing there. We're just best friends forever. Like that. That doesn't make sense to me.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think, what does it matter that you bought a house together? I'm like, who cares? Sell the house. What? Now you're checking? You're checking in? Why are you checking in? I understand a text if there's like, hey, gotta let you know, dogs in the hospital, they'll send you that. You don't need to check in on the pets. Especially if you're not sharing custody of the pets. I just think I'm like, clearly your boyfriend is uncomfortable with it.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yes.

[Jordan Myrick]

Probably a reason why your boyfriend is uncomfortable with it. And I think that's something to treat as valid because that's the person you're currently in a relationship with. And even if your boyfriend is like, I just feel jealous, I still think you kind of need to listen to that because ultimately it's normal for your partner to feel jealous or kind of weird if you're, like, regularly checking in with your ex. You don't share a child.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

You know, I think if there's a human child, that's a different thing.

[Kendall Landreth]

Would it be different if it was like, well, we made the decision, we're sharing custody of the dogs. But doesn't seem like that's what's happened. It seems like the dogs are with the other partner. So the checking in. Yeah. Feel. I think you're right. Feels a little bit unnecessary. And I think even if you're like, well, because I used to be a little bit like this. A little, like, insecure attachment. If even if your boyfriend's, like, motive for this is that he. There really isn't anything going on between the two of you, but it just stresses him out. I think maybe when you're working on that with him, communicating heavily with your ex is probably not helping that healing for him. You know what I mean?

[Jordan Myrick]

It doesn't feel respectful.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yes. I think that's why I think that's what I'm trying to say is like, the. Your. Your current person has to know. You have to level with them. This is somebody I care about and I care about because of our past. Are you okay with that? You know, like, are you okay that I received a text message from this person? Are you okay with the idea of me ever meeting up with them? You have to ask the question. Or at least this is what I think. You have to ask the question. You have to be open to the answer, and you also have to communicate sort of about every time it's happening. Like, that's what I'm saying. If you're keeping this person close in any way, I think it's like, that's something that has to actually be a part of your current relationship.

[Kendall Landreth]

Like, totally.

[Cameron Esposito]

It can't just be, like, you off on your own having this experience that you had with your past. It has to be something you'd be willing to share, like, every detail about how you've interacted.

[Kendall Landreth]

Because I feel no excitement when I, like, think of exes. I've had the thought of texting them. There's zero excitement ignited in me. Like, there's no motive, motivation, or want to do that. Like, I'm just like, if I had to reach out to them about something, I'd be like, oh, okay. I don't even. I can't even think of what I would have to do. But I've never owned a house or dog with anyone else, so maybe that's part of it. But I would not feel the. To just check in. That would bring nothing except, like, boredom to my brain. So I think if you're feeling the constant want to do that, like, there is something.

[Cameron Esposito]

You're right there.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. This is my thought coming from the opposite end. If it's so important to you that your ex is a big part of your life, then you need to break up with your boyfriend. That is something that you need to bring in at the start of a relationship and be like, hey, I have this relationship with my ex because of xyz. That's something that's really important to me. I need you to be okay with that. And if you're not okay with that, then we can't date. I don't think it's fair to have this person who has an issue with a very normal thing to have an issue with. And then you be like, no, no, no, just stop having your issue. But also, I don't need to change at all. I think it has to be like, you either have to prioritize that thing or you have to prioritize your partner. And that is some internal work that you have to do when you make that decision.

[Cameron Esposito]

Right. I think that's, you know, that's. I guess that's what I'm trying to say about everything that's in my life has to be a part of my marriage. It's not because, like, my wife gives me permission on stuff. It's like, that's. You know, I've learned over time that that's what a marriage actually is, is when everything that's in my life is in. Is in our lives.

[Kendall Landreth]

Well, and I think people get so scared to be like, I'm in a codependent relationship where my wife controls me. I think people are so scared that they're always like, well, my wife, I do whatever I want. And I do actually don't even tell.

[Jordan Myrick]

Her where I am half the time. I'm like, okay.

[Kendall Landreth]

And it's like, well, that's not a marriage. Did you ever watch Friends?

[Cameron Esposito]

Yes. In a hotel room. Not, Not.

[Kendall Landreth]

Not religiously. An incredibly hated. It was, you know, we watched it in my home and it was. There was an incredibly hated character. It was Emily, British, and she was gonna marry Ross. And she was like, you can't be friends with Rachel if you're gonna be with me. And it. Everyone was like, she's so taught and she was hated. People hated the fans, hated her so much because they were taking her away from Rachel. And I remember as a kid being like, emily just needs to get the out of here. And then at Emily Ross's wedding, here's a spoiler if you haven't seen it last 30 years. He says, I do.

[Cameron Esposito]

Oh, yeah.

[Kendall Landreth]

He says Rachel's name and it's like, well, yeah, because he had a good reason. And when I watched this as an adult, the whole time I was like, this poor woman is, like, begging for him to not see his ex girlfriend who he's like, best friends with. And is very bizarre.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think most shows you look at now as an adult.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Look at the woman who was seen as like the villain kind of girlfriend. And you're like, oh, my God, this poor woman.

[Kendall Landreth]

Poor woman.

[Cameron Esposito]

You know, I think just to like, fully clarify what I mean by have it be part of my marriage. My wife and I have completely different circles of friends. We know each other's friends.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Cameron Esposito]

We have, like, completely different hobbies. We do not do hobbies together. We have completely different jobs. Our lives are really separate. And we spend time Alone and we spend time together. But the thing that I will say is, like, there's nothing that's happening in her life I'm uncomfortable with or don't know about. So that's what I mean by it has to come into the marriage. And that's why that Ross example is, like, a great example. Because, like, that's not something that could have been brought into their marriage. His, like, obsession and weirdness with Rachel since the beginning of time could not be brought into their marriage.

[Kendall Landreth]

No.

[Cameron Esposito]

It just, like, couldn't be.

[Kendall Landreth]

No.

[Jordan Myrick]

No.

[Cameron Esposito]

Marriage could probably absorb an obsession with someone else.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

And I think that's so normal to remember. Wow. All of this, I feel like, has been, like, really good, insightfully good advice.

[Cameron Esposito]

I don't know.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think it's really hot. I think you look really hot. I agree. Come on. I agree.

[Cameron Esposito]

We gotta get you in a pot.

[Jordan Myrick]

We gotta get you.

[Kendall Landreth]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

We got you in a baby beauty pageant. Kendall and I are gonna strap some fake teeth on you and get you.

[Cameron Esposito]

Is this a size joke? Is this because you think it was squishy?

[Jordan Myrick]

It wasn't, but it is a big boy.

[Kendall Landreth]

I called you a mouse too, and that was a joke. But then I said, well, maybe that was mean to call them a mouse. You're not the size of a mouse. You're very big and strong and cool. And you're just like Jason Statham.

[Jordan Myrick]

We're gonna crawl on your shoulders after this. Both of us.

[Cameron Esposito]

Number one. I don't mind at all being called a mouse. Because also, I'm gonna go to the gym later today and I'm gonna try to lift, like, some heavy weights. And that's more impressive the smaller I get. You know what I mean? The actual. So I'm gonna actually carry this with me. People think I'm tiny. I'm so small. But I'm making eye contact with all the boys in the mirror and I'm trying to lift with their lifting and then hurting myself so well.

[Kendall Landreth]

And I think probably why I called you mouse is because from my perspective, I'm flipped. Where I want to be the I in my head, I'm the smallest person that's ever lived. Like, when I walk through this, these offices, I'm like. Everyone's like, who's that little cutie pie? Who. She's so small and sweet and tiny. And I'm absolutely not. That's not what anyone thinking. I'm massive. I'm very tall. Five, eleven.

[Cameron Esposito]

I don't know.

[Kendall Landreth]

So I seek to be that and so that's why it was a compliment.

[Cameron Esposito]

I mean, I see your energy in spirit. I'm much bigger than you. You know what I mean?

[Jordan Myrick]

Kendall has a very tiny energy. Now I do want to know, other than the gym weight room, where can people find you? Do you have anything you want to plug?

[Cameron Esposito]

I. Well, I have a cool thing coming up that I can't even talk to you necessarily about, but keep your ears and your big mouse ears to the ground. I don't know, probably. And I'm touring a bunch in May. In the meantime, best way to find out about this probably Instagram because that's where you can post info about things that are happening. You know what I mean?

[Jordan Myrick]

Great.

[Cameron Esposito]

Sure, I'll TikTok a rooney about it. But for some reason that's also now Chinese feels like that didn't.

[Kendall Landreth]

Well, I guess it's always been.

[Cameron Esposito]

I know that didn't bother me until the backdoor dealings that's currently happening.

[Kendall Landreth]

There's a lot going. Yeah, I wouldn't say promoting a tick tock.

[Cameron Esposito]

I don't care that it's. I actually was fine with trying to having all my data. I just don't want President Dumbass to somehow be related to that.

[Jordan Myrick]

You don't want America to have access to your data.

[Cameron Esposito]

Yeah, that's exactly right.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah, that's exactly.

[Kendall Landreth]

You give my data to China.

[Cameron Esposito]

I do not care if you give it to one. If you give it to fucking Ivanka. No way.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. Absolutely not. We love that. Thank you so much as always. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being here.

[Kendall Landreth]

And thank you for being here.

[Jordan Myrick]

Thank you for being here.

[Kendall Landreth]

And you can check us out on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube. Make sure to subscribe if you're on YouTube and if you're listening, please rate and review us if you're on Apple Podcasts, Spotify. We're here at the Spotify offices. We love being here and thank you so much. And stop talking to your exes.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay. Happy Monday.