83: The HOTTEST Dating Hot Takes

Summary

Podcast Summary: Happy Wife Happy Life

Episode 83: The HOTTEST Dating Hot Takes
Hosts: Kendahl Landreth & Jordan Myrick
Release Date: October 6, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Kendahl and Jordan dive into their spiciest, funniest, and most controversial dating "hot takes." Drawing from personal experience, audience submissions, and the wild world of the internet, they dissect everything from punctuality on first dates to the so-called "male loneliness epidemic." The energy is high, the banter sharp, and as always, the observations are equal parts hilarious and on point. Listeners are invited to reflect, laugh, and (inevitably) reconsider some of their own relationship opinions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fresh Starts & Relationship Routines

• Timestamp: 00:51–06:42
  • The episode opens with Kendahl and Jordan sharing a recent ordeal: their apartment flooded, but now their floors are finally back—a literal and emotional reset.
  • Kendahl confesses to being “better than every single person on earth at unpacking.” (01:07)
  • They bond over being a “dream team”: Kendahl attacks rooms on a big-picture level, Jordan masters the tiny details (03:44–04:20).
  • Restoring their home helps lift both from a “funk.” “When your home's not good, it's so hard to do anything.” (05:13, Kendahl)

2. “Hot Take” Warmups: Personal Routines & Apartment Politics

• Timestamp: 06:42–13:45
  • Lighthearted chat about haircuts, label makers, and the power of making your bed.
  • Kendahl's attempts at Armenian greetings make her a “local celebrity” among elderly men in her building (09:33).
    • “I said one thing in Armenian. Now I've got all these Armenian men…trying to bring me wine, they're trying to bring me coffee…” (09:33, Kendahl)
  • Debate on whether these interactions are genuine friendliness or misplaced flirtation.

3. Dating Hot Takes: Rapid Fire Opinions

• Timestamp: 13:45–21:08

  A. Punctuality on First Dates

  • Jordan: “I don't think you should ever be late…when someone's late on a first date, that is a real red flag.” (14:19–14:27)

  B. Sex on the First Date

  • Kendahl: “A dating hot take I have is that you should have sex on the first date… for me, on a first date… at the end, if we really like each other, we'll have sex.” (14:50–15:13)
  • Jordan: “I don't feel like either one of these are that controversial.” (15:30)

  C. Dress Code/Turn-Offs

  • Jordan: “If you show up to a date in flip flops, I'm immediately less attracted to you.” (15:42)
  • Both agree seeing someone's butt crack is universally unattractive—a comedic, relatable tangent.

  D. Childhood Embarrassment Stories

  • The hosts reminisce about kids’ ignorance of “wardrobe malfunctions,” leading to related musings on societal attitudes toward cleavage vs. butt crack (16:47–17:21).

  E. Bodily Functions: Social Double Standards

  • Discussion of why farting/burping is shamed, but not sneezing or using hands (19:53–20:24).
  • “Shoes are…feet are clean because they're kept inside your shoes. Your hands touch everything. But people act like feet are so nasty…” (20:27, Jordan)

4. Audience Hot Takes & Viral Debates

A. Unconditional Love: Does It Exist?

• Timestamp: 21:11–27:53
  • Hot take: “There is no such thing as unconditional love.”
  • Kendahl and Jordan role-play hypothetical betrayals to test the boundaries of love (21:34–24:38).
  • Notable Quote:
    • “I think I would love you if you murdered someone, but I would not date you if you murdered someone. That's the difference.” (21:49, Kendahl)
  • They differentiate between romantic love, familial love, and the complex reality of “unconditional” affection.

B. Why Are So Many Single Men Unhappy?

• Timestamp: 28:23–33:51
  • Hot take: “There are so many unhappily single men because there are so many happily single women.”
  • Jordan: “Even some of the nicest, best men that are straight and cis that I know still feel entitled to a certain amount or level of things.” (29:21)
  • Issue of men lacking strong adult friendships compared to women; influence of socialization; the so-called “male loneliness epidemic.”
  • Kendahl: “I feel like the transition from single woman to having a man living in your house sounds like a horror movie plot line.” (32:34)

C. Red Flags: “Men Without Sisters”

• Timestamp: 34:08–38:44
  • The theory: Men with no sisters are a dating red flag.
  • Kendahl: “It’s a red flag. Doesn't mean I would… not date, just something to think about.” (34:23)
  • Both debate whether growing up with women (especially as siblings) actually produces more well-rounded men.

D. Other Red Flags: “Mommy’s Baby Syndrome”

• Timestamp: 38:44–42:35
  • Both admit to knowing (and dating) self-proclaimed “mommy’s babies.” The conversation hilariously digresses into family roles: “I’m baby, so that means I’m the sun. Baby's the sun. Mommy is like the Earth orbiting around the sun.” (39:35, Jordan)
  • The harm in parents instantly “adopting” their children’s partners emotionally, then dropping them after breakups.

E. Relationship Power Dynamics

• Timestamp: 43:09–45:44
  • “The person who cares the least, controls the relationship.” (43:09, audience submission)
  • Jordan and Kendahl agree—if one person is less invested, the relationship is dictated by them, often to unhealthy extremes.
    • “If you can come 20, I can come 80 or whatever. But if that's a consistent thing… it's just not going to work.” (44:05, Jordan)

F. The “Dog People Only” Red Flag

• Timestamp: 45:59–51:31
  • Hot take: Don't date someone who only loves dogs.
  • Both agree: Not connecting with other animals is “weird,” unless it’s out of fear or allergies. Kendahl: “I could never date someone that hunted.” (46:48)
  • Jordan draws an analogy to bug-hunting as a hobby: “If you met someone who spends hundreds on gear… just to kill bugs… you’d think they were a serial killer.” (48:26)

G. Age Gaps: Context Matters

• Timestamp: 51:22–58:07
  • Hot take: “An age gap doesn’t have to be weird unless you make it weird.”
  • The hosts share their own six-year age gap and agree it’s the stage of life, not just age, that matters. (52:46)
    • “I never feel like we have an age gap… but I also know people who are the same exact age and there's a weird power dynamic.” (53:01, Kendahl)
  • They caution against “always bad” thinking, instead advocating for nuance.

5. Signature Tone: Humor, Vulnerability, and Nuanced Advice

• Throughout, Kendahl and Jordan balance irreverence with genuine reflection, actively challenging “black and white” thinking in dating culture.
• Keen on reminding listeners that most dating rules/hot takes are not absolute—context, self-awareness, and respect matter more than any catchy TikTok soundbite.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | 01:07 | “I feel like I am better than every single person on earth at unpacking.” | Kendahl | | 09:33 | “I said one thing in Armenian. Now I've got all these Armenian men…trying to bring me wine, they're trying to bring me coffee…” | Kendahl | | 14:27 | “I don’t think you should ever be late…when someone's late on a first date, that is a real red flag.” | Jordan | | 14:50 | “A dating hot take I have is that you should have sex on the first date.” | Kendahl | | 16:06 | “There's really nothing like it [seeing someone's butt crack]. Not a single person looks attractive with it. It's the great unifier.” | Kendahl | | 21:49 | “I think I would love you if you murdered someone, but I would not date you if you murdered someone. That's the difference.” | Kendahl | | 29:21 | “Even some of the nicest, best men that are straight and cis that I know still feel entitled to a certain amount or level of things.” | Jordan | | 43:09 | “The person who cares the least controls the relationship. I 100% agree with that.” | Jordan | | 48:26 | “If you met someone who spends hundreds on gear… just to kill bugs… you’d think they were a serial killer.” | Jordan | | 53:01 | “I never feel like we have an age gap… but I also know people who are the same exact age and there's a weird power dynamic.” | Kendahl |

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Important Timestamps

• Apartment reset & cleaning talk: 00:51–06:42
• Flirting, apartment politics & learning Armenian: 09:33–13:45
• First round of dating hot takes: 13:45–21:08
• Unconditional love debate: 21:11–27:53
• Single men vs. single women contentedness: 28:23–33:51
• Red flag: men with no sisters: 34:08–38:44
• Mommy’s baby syndrome discussion: 38:44–42:35
• Power & investment in relationships: 43:09–45:44
• Animal lover red flag & hunting/fishing ethics: 45:59–51:31
• Age gap nuance & society’s lack of nuance: 51:22–58:07

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Final Thoughts

Episode 83 is quintessential "Happy Wife Happy Life": riotous, thoughtful, and full of the chemistry that makes Kendahl and Jordan such a beloved pair. Whether debunking dating myths or poking fun at themselves, they consistently manage to both entertain and shine a gentle light on relationship norms. Listeners are left with plenty to laugh about—and plenty to ponder in their own dating lives.

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Transcript

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[Jordan Myrick]

Welcome to Happy Wife, Happy life.

[Kendall Landriff]

We're your hosts. I'm Kendall Landriff.

[Jordan Myrick]

And I'm Jordan Myrick.

[Kendall Landriff]

And we are two incredibly unqualified but.

[Jordan Myrick]

Deeply in love comedians who are here to help you with all things relationship. And today we're discussing the hottest takes in dating. I'm feeling incredible.

[Kendall Landriff]

This is the beginning of an incredible, incredible month.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes. Floors back in in our house.

[Kendall Landriff]

And what I'm gonna tell you now. And I don't want to hype myself up too much.

[Jordan Myrick]

Don't so.

[Kendall Landriff]

So jump in halfway through so you can really let me hear more humble.

[Jordan Myrick]

What is it?

[Kendall Landriff]

I feel like I am better than every single person on earth at unpacking.

[Jordan Myrick]

Oh. I mean the way Kendall can clean.

[Kendall Landriff]

And like I'm like niece now.

[Jordan Myrick]

Flip a space on clean House. Absolutely.

[Kendall Landriff]

I would have been incredible on that show.

[Jordan Myrick]

I want her to come on the pod so bad.

[Kendall Landriff]

I to join our relationship.

[Jordan Myrick]

I want her to live in my house. Yeah. We love Niecy Nash Beths.

[Kendall Landriff]

I was so much a huge clean House fan. I was a huge clean house fan. Sorry. It was like all because. Okay, obviously we know now all these cleaning shows are like not. It's not ethical. I don't know if ethical is not the word. It's just not helpful. It's like pointless.

[Jordan Myrick]

Like how it came out that like hoarders actually wasn't helping the people.

[Kendall Landriff]

Well, yeah, it's like, it's like if anything makes can make it worse. And it's just kind of like. Yeah, if you're living in that type of filth. Now granted, Clean House, if I remember correctly, was kind of like two steps down from hoarders. It was like the people were hoarder. I mean, the people were hoarders. But it wasn't.

[Jordan Myrick]

But the people weren't like mentally hoarders. Cuz like being a hoarder can through mental illness.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yes.

[Jordan Myrick]

Which is understanding of what it is.

[Kendall Landriff]

Well, but some of the houses unclean house. I need to go back. We should do a rewatch. Honestly, Cuz A Hoarders always made me sad. I didn't really watch Hoarders.

[Jordan Myrick]

I can't watch hoarders. It's too sad.

[Kendall Landriff]

I've seen, like, enough clips on TikTok now that I feel like I've seen hoarders, but I always was like, this is too sad. But. But Clean House felt like Hoarders with the comedic relief of Niecy.

[Jordan Myrick]

Now, Clean House, to me, just felt like two parents that worked a lot that had two kids that were just. And maybe their space was too small or. Do you know what I mean? Like, felt.

[Kendall Landriff]

If I remember correctly, it didn't get into, like, their maggots and cockroaches. Like, I don't.

[Jordan Myrick]

No, no, no, no. It never felt.

[Kendall Landriff]

Because cleaning it.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes. It never felt dirty, to my recollection. It was just, like, people that were overwhelmed. I. Is what it felt like a little bit to me.

[Kendall Landriff]

Got to do a rewatch.

[Jordan Myrick]

We got to do a rewatch.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I really do feel like. So if you were here last week, the vibes are going to be a lot better than last week, because we were just in a really bad place last week.

[Jordan Myrick]

Well, you know, the apartment flooded, and then everything was bad, and then I was at war with our insurance company, and.

[Kendall Landriff]

And finally, like we said, they'd packed up all of our belongings into a box. Boxes.

[Jordan Myrick]

Broke a bunch of it.

[Kendall Landriff]

Broke a bunch of it, unfortunately. But I. You were at work one day, and I literally put our house back together.

[Jordan Myrick]

It's wild. She can move swiftly.

[Kendall Landriff]

I. Because you know what I'm good at? I'm good at looking in a room, and I'm not overwhelmed. I say one thing at a time, which is great. What's this little, tiny. This little tiny piece of trash that goes in the trash. That's so exciting. I have one spot for the. I'm. I really enjoy it, and it's really relaxing for me. And then you came home. I felt like we got in a good place and us together really got the apartment looking well.

[Jordan Myrick]

Because you are, like, large scale, and I'm small. Details.

[Kendall Landriff]

You're the detail.

[Jordan Myrick]

So Kendall will, like, get everything generally where it should kind of go, and then I'll get in there and, like, I'm going in drawers, and I'm, like, sorting every piece of paperwork we own, which I'm less likely to do.

[Kendall Landriff]

And that's helpful because I think us together. Like, sometimes you'll look at a room and you'll be like, how am I going to clean this? And you'll start with something like that. And then you've been there for eight hours, and you're like, why does the room? And I'm like, I can get in an hour and make it look like completely different room, but I'm kind of shoving stuff in in organized piles. But stuff is getting shove. For sure.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I will come up with, like, a perfect filing system for, like, all of our art supplies that we never use or whatever. So we really are a dream team.

[Kendall Landriff]

And we put. Oh, my God. I was like, jordan, I really want our tea and coffee area to look a little more cottage core, as they say. So please remove all of the tea bags from these packages and put them in Mason.

[Jordan Myrick]

Kendall hates looking at packaging.

[Kendall Landriff]

Jordan did that, and then you bought a label maker to label them.

[Jordan Myrick]

I'm so excited. I love a label maker, and I can't believe I didn't own one until now. I was just doing what a lot of, like, the food influencer chefs do, where they just take duct tape and then a Sharpie.

[Kendall Landriff]

Trashy.

[Jordan Myrick]

It's not trashy. It's. It's practical. But I was like, I need something to level up a little bit. I need to like it to look a little nicer. I need to be more in the zone. So I got a label maker, and I can't wait. Wait to label everything in our home.

[Kendall Landriff]

Absolutely incredible. And because our routine is back on, I was saying to Jordan this morning, I was like, I think I was actually a little depressed. And I didn't realize because when the house was that messed up, it was one of those things where it's like, why would I even make myself a breakfast? I'm so unhappy with our home. It's like, when you're home, you know your home's not going to look good. It's so hard to do anything. It's so hard to do anything.

[Jordan Myrick]

It's just depressing. And also, I think I also was depressed, as I'm sure you guys could pick up on, because I was having to get on the phone every single day and have a horrible conversation with a man that was rude to me, which was so irritating. To be on the phone every day for, like, two hours with an awful person really takes it out of you. So I'm just feeling in such a good place. Our, like, our house looks really good.

[Kendall Landriff]

It looks really.

[Jordan Myrick]

Kendall. We'll have to share a picture on the patreon of our little, like, coffee, tea, dining nook area. It looks really good.

[Kendall Landriff]

It looks really good.

[Jordan Myrick]

We got some art hung Up?

[Kendall Landriff]

Yes. And I just think, like, I made our bed. Well, before you picked me up, I made our bed.

[Jordan Myrick]

Thank God.

[Kendall Landriff]

And I was, like, thinking. I was like, I haven't made. I used to. I'm really good about making the bed. It's like something I've. I always do. I think it makes everything look so much better, and I get more excited to get into bed. Like, it just makes everything feel better.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I was like, I haven't made a bet the bed in, like, a month. And I was like, yeah. Because it just felt. Everything felt ridiculous. Like, making the bed when our house looked the way it did was just, like, felt stupid. For what? Literally, for what? And this morning, I woke up, I made some tea, I made myself breakfast. I sat at the kitchen table and I did some work. And it was just.

[Jordan Myrick]

It was so nice. And then I got a haircut.

[Kendall Landriff]

And then you got a haircut. You look really good.

[Jordan Myrick]

Thanks.

[Kendall Landriff]

Really hot.

[Jordan Myrick]

I can't decide how I feel about it. I mean, I think it's great. I love the woman that cuts my hair. She always does a great job. But do you know when you get a haircut and then it looks totally different than the way that it always looks?

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah. Do you know sometimes you get a haircut and they make it too smooth?

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure.

[Kendall Landriff]

You know what I mean? Well, I'm like.

[Jordan Myrick]

Well, specifically for me, because my hair is not smooth. I kind of famously have like, very, like, frizzy, like, curly, wavy hair.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I have naturally smooth hair. But sometimes you leave the hair salon and it's like it's too smooth to where it almost makes you feel like a little kid, where it's, like, falling out. I have no way to really describe this in a good way, but I just. Sometimes it's too smooth when you have the hair.

[Jordan Myrick]

But for me, I mean, if you're watching this on video, you'll see right now, like, my hair is so much smoother than it normally is. I feel this is the main thing. She blows out my bangs with a blow dryer. Normally, I just let them air dry. So I think they're a little more straight. So I can't get them to sit kind of the way I want them to. So I just keep touching them. So I'll probably be touching them the whole episode. Which, if you're listening to this, won't bother you. But if.

[Kendall Landriff]

If you're watching.

[Jordan Myrick]

If you're watching this, I'm gonna be touching. Just be so sweet about it.

[Kendall Landriff]

Why don't you blow dry your bangs?

[Jordan Myrick]

It makes them, like, really straight, so then they become like this. And they were, like, too straight, and then they're, like, in my eyes. Whereas if I don't, they kind of curl up a little bit on the end, so it keeps them out of my eyes. It kind of looks like Snidely Whiplash's mustache a little bit, and I like that personally.

[Kendall Landriff]

Okay.

[Jordan Myrick]

I do feel like a weird thing. I've developed a new cowlick in my bangs where my bangs are parting differently on this side than they ever have in the past.

[Kendall Landriff]

You were overthinking your bangs. No. The way you feel about your bangs is crazy. We were doing edits on the podcast a while ago, like, a couple weeks ago, and Jordan was like, see, Kendall? Do you see how my bangs are there? You should have told me they look that way that I feel like I don't. It's like I feel like Jordan speaks Spanish, and I don't know what anything they're saying is how it feels like. I'm like, wow. Even know what that means? Like, they look the same as they always look.

[Jordan Myrick]

Tunisita. Car to espanol.

[Kendall Landriff]

Good job.

[Jordan Myrick]

Gracias. I actually don't know if that's perfect.

[Kendall Landriff]

Well, I miss popular. Tell everyone why I miss popular in our apartment building right now.

[Jordan Myrick]

Oh, well, Kendall's learning Armenian.

[Kendall Landriff]

I'm not learning.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sorry. That's generous. She's learned a couple phrases in Armenian.

[Kendall Landriff]

I learned, like, four things in our. I. I'm not going to learn Armenian. First of all, it wasn't even available on Duingo. And even though Duolingo sucks, but. What? I wasn't going to go to college for Armenians, so I looked it up on Duolingo, and they don't even have Armenian on Duolingo. And also, it's a very hard language, and I'm already, you know, I'm already kind of tapped out on the languages I'm learning. But I was just like, I want. All our neighbors are Armenian. So I was like, I would love to know how to say, like, hi, how are you? Thanks so much. Whatever. Yeah, you guys, here's what I'll say. I said one thing in Armenian. Now I've got all these Armenian men. They're trying to bring me wine, they're trying to bring me coffee, and.

[Jordan Myrick]

Is that what you wanted?

[Kendall Landriff]

It feels nice. All these elderly Armenian men trying to flirt with me. I feel like they really appreciate me trying to learn Armenian.

[Jordan Myrick]

I'm sure they do.

[Kendall Landriff]

I said, merci shet. And he literally, his jaw dropped and He. He. Well, he asked for my number for a different reason. I. Jordan thinks I get my number out too much.

[Jordan Myrick]

Kendall gives her no. And you guys will remember this if you're a longtime listener. Do you remember, like, a year ago, Kendall was out walking the dog and met a man. Somehow the two of them started talking about horses. And don't get me wrong, I love small talk. I love talking to strangers.

[Kendall Landriff]

It's called building community.

[Jordan Myrick]

And I fully agree with that. I fully agree with that. But Kendall started talking to this man about horses, and then he was like, oh, I know some horses. And Kendall was like, great, can you put me in touch with them? So Kendall gave him her phone number.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

I'm like, you have to celebrate.

[Kendall Landriff]

Every year he wishes me Happy Thanksgiving, and which out of all the holidays, don't celebrate. But then last year, you were like, kendall, don't text him back because you were really worried he was gonna start stalking me. And I think about that all the time. I feel so bad. I'm like, he texted me, happy Thanksgiving. I didn't even respond.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah, you don't need to respond to him. But.

[Kendall Landriff]

So the other guy texted me and he was like, can I give you some Armenian coffee? And I was like, I don't want to start. This is gonna start becoming. What if he thinks I'm, like, interested even though I don't? You put that thought in my head. I wasn't even thinking about that. He's like 60 years old.

[Jordan Myrick]

That doesn't matter. You think 60 year old men think that they don't get to have sex with women?

[Kendall Landriff]

Kind of. That feels crazy.

[Jordan Myrick]

That feels crazy, guys.

[Kendall Landriff]

That feels absolutely crazy. No, I don't think they don't.

[Jordan Myrick]

Reality.

[Kendall Landriff]

I don't even. I don't know. I will say, though, I'm bad about telling if I'm getting flirted with. I pretty much have never thought I've been flirted with my entire life. And I will get into, like, I will not understand. Especially well, because one of the biggest.

[Jordan Myrick]

Arguments we got into was this woman was being weird and she was being, I thought, kind of inappropriate and kind of was like, she's just being nice.

[Kendall Landriff]

It's so hard.

[Jordan Myrick]

And I was like, she's really not. She's being very bizarre and forward. Forward. And.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

And.

[Kendall Landriff]

And I told her no. And I told. Well, not well, but right.

[Jordan Myrick]

And kind of was like, it's fine. And then kind of hung out with her again and kind of was like, she tried to kiss me.

[Kendall Landriff]

No, she didn't try to give Me.

[Jordan Myrick]

But basically, though, touch your leg or something. And you were like.

[Kendall Landriff]

There was just a moment where I said, oh, dear, I've made a grave mistake, and I haven't seen her since. But I also. No, I think with men especially, because I'm just not ever thinking about that at all. So sometimes I'm like, this man is really nice. And then, like, he'll say something and I'm like, oh, no. I think maybe not only was he flirting, maybe I was, because I was literally just, like, being like, we're two girls.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. You know what I mean? Absolutely. You're like, we're gabbing.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

He's like, I'm in love with you.

[Kendall Landriff]

Exactly. And so I'm really popular right now in apartment building with all the Armenian elderly men. And Jordan's jealous, so they're trying to, like, you know, they're trying to get them to stop texting me because of my safety quote, unquote. But I think, really, they're just like. I think if it was you, you would be like, this is awesome.

[Jordan Myrick]

I just think you have to learn when people are flirting with you and when they're not. I don't think he's right.

[Kendall Landriff]

You tried to give me a refrigerator. That doesn't really feel like flirting.

[Jordan Myrick]

I don't. Hey, listen. I wouldn't give a refrigerator to someone I didn't like. That's what I'll tell you.

[Kendall Landriff]

Really? What if it was a broken refrigerator?

[Jordan Myrick]

Oh, like a prank?

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

I would only prank someone I like.

[Kendall Landriff]

All right.

[Jordan Myrick]

Why would you want to prank someone you don't like?

[Kendall Landriff]

All right.

[Jordan Myrick]

Too much effort.

[Kendall Landriff]

That's true. Don't you think so bad at pranks? Oh, my God. Did we ever talk about that one time you guys pranked me in the car with that steam bun?

[Jordan Myrick]

I don't remember, but that was a good one.

[Kendall Landriff]

That was really upsetting to me.

[Jordan Myrick]

Basically, we got these, like, steamed buns from this Chinese bakery, and it was me and our friends Colin and Andrew and Kendall. And we were going somewhere, and we got Kendall a bun that was chocolate, but we told her that it was pork. And then we gave it to her, and she was eating it, and she was like, wait, guys, I'm really scared. This, like, tastes really weird.

[Kendall Landriff]

And we were like, what do you mean it tastes weird? It was the chocolate mind fuck I've.

[Jordan Myrick]

Ever had us taste it. And then we were like, yeah, it tastes like barbecue pork. And she was so freaked. And then finally we were like, we're pranking you.

[Kendall Landriff]

But it, like, was a Real. Because it's also one of those things that I was eating, and I was like, no, I see. It does taste like.

[Jordan Myrick]

I thought you're, like, gaslighting yourself.

[Kendall Landriff]

No, I really was. I was like, wait, am I being. It tastes, like, sweet. Well, it's probably just sweet like barbecue, I guess. And I was like, this is kind of making me feel sick almost, because, like, the thought of this being pork just feels so wrong. And then I got convinced I had Covid because I was like, this tastes like chocolate. Not a thing.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. I was like, do you guys think I have Covid?

[Kendall Landriff]

And then I was like, we didn't get me tested. And then you guys told me.

[Jordan Myrick]

We just pranked you.

[Kendall Landriff]

Okay. Dating hot takes. What's, like, off the top of your head, biggest dating hot take you have. Sorry. I know that's a lot of pressure.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's huge pressure on me.

[Kendall Landriff]

Do you have one? Let's see.

[Jordan Myrick]

It's also funny that now you just hold the avocado because you couldn't get it to stand up on the set, and now it's just become, like, a comfort thing for you. It's giving. It's giving, Binky.

[Kendall Landriff]

It really is. I really love it. It's just, like, a good hold in the hand.

[Jordan Myrick]

It's just a crocheted avocado that a fan made us, and Kendall is, like, gripping it for dear life.

[Kendall Landriff]

I love it. Well, it also helps me to, like, stay focused.

[Jordan Myrick]

It's your fidget toy.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah. A dating hot take I have is.

[Jordan Myrick]

That I don't think you should ever be late.

[Kendall Landriff]

To what? Anything.

[Jordan Myrick]

Dating.

[Kendall Landriff]

Oh, on a date.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

I agree. I think when someone's late on a first date, that is a real red flag, I guess.

[Jordan Myrick]

I don't think that's, like, that controversial, but that's something that I do feel.

[Kendall Landriff]

I think it's common people to be. I mean, I've been on many first dates where the person's, like, 20 minutes late.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's not so. But.

[Kendall Landriff]

And I think some people are purposeful. No, I think some people are like, why don't. I'm like, if you're there 20 minutes early, I find that really attractive.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes.

[Kendall Landriff]

Like, you're excited, eager. But a lot of people do not like that.

[Jordan Myrick]

Absolutely.

[Kendall Landriff]

A dating hot take I have is that you should have sex on the first date.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay.

[Kendall Landriff]

That's how I feel.

[Jordan Myrick]

I love that.

[Kendall Landriff]

I think I used to be like, if we didn't have sex on the first date, I'd be like, so they hate me.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure. And you think that's good that you felt that way?

[Kendall Landriff]

No, I don't think it's good I felt that way. But I'm kind of like, why not? I think I am. Like, for me, on a first date, I was always like. And at the end, if we really like each other, we'll have sex.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure.

[Kendall Landriff]

And I think that, I think if someone's like, I want to wait. I'm kind of like, okay, Mother Teresa, what's going on here? I don't understand the point. Like, I don't understand what that is.

[Jordan Myrick]

I want to get to know you a little better.

[Kendall Landriff]

No, that's fine. I. I don't think it's a red flag or anything. I just think my dating hot take is that it's totally fine to have sex on the first date.

[Jordan Myrick]

I don't feel like either one of these are that controversial.

[Kendall Landriff]

I know. What am I supposed to say?

[Jordan Myrick]

Like, is there something really controversial? We think a really.

[Kendall Landriff]

On dating or relationships dating.

[Jordan Myrick]

If you show up to a date in flip flops, I'm immediately as attracted to you.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah, that's a good one. But I also am like, duh. I mean, unless it's. What if it's at a beach?

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah, I guess if your first dates at a beach, that's fine.

[Kendall Landriff]

I still think I would be like, oh, interesting.

[Jordan Myrick]

But like a flip flop, like a rain, like a rainbow brand. We're a sandal. Wear a sandal.

[Kendall Landriff]

I would say if you do something.

[Jordan Myrick]

And I can see just a little bit of your butt crack.

[Kendall Landriff]

Oh my God, Yes. Much less attracted to you seeing someone's butt cracked. There's really nothing like it. Like it it really. And I would see someone's like, full ass is totally fine, but the way your pants pull down the cheeks, it really. No one can look attractive with it. Not a single person. I don't know there's a single person on earth that everyone's butt cracks looks exact, exactly the same. Oh my God. It's the great unifier.

[Jordan Myrick]

But I've no, well, no, not everyone's butt crack looks the same. Some people have extremely high long butt cracks. And some people have very short, short butt. Like, if you've ever seen someone that looks really good in like super low rise jeans, where are their butt, where's their, where's their butt crack? It's because without pants on, their butt crack is like this long.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah, yeah. God. Do you remember when you were a kid and you just like didn't even know or care that your butt crack was out?

[Jordan Myrick]

I Don't think so. I think I probably would have known that.

[Kendall Landriff]

Like, I feel like I'll see pictures of myself from, like, the second grade of my butt crack just, like, really? Or like, my nipples out.

[Jordan Myrick]

Nipple, I think is different. Butt crack. I feel like I always had a sense of, like. Because butt crack just feels wrong. I think butt out fine as a child.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Butt crack just feels like. I don't know. But I've never understood why butt crack is bad, but cleavage is good.

[Kendall Landriff]

Well, don't get me started on cleavage, because it doesn't make any sense. You want to know something really embarrassing that happened to me?

[Jordan Myrick]

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[Kendall Landriff]

When I was in high school, you know what? It shouldn't even have been embarrassing, but I was made to feel that it was embarrassing. When I was in high school, I was, like, a sophomore. We used to bring a photo of ourselves as a kid, and I brought one, and it was like me at a water park. And then I realized both my nipples were out in it. And then they put it on the whiteboard.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's right.

[Kendall Landriff]

And they put arrows to it. And it was like, kendall's nipple.

[Jordan Myrick]

Who? The teacher?

[Kendall Landriff]

No, the students.

[Jordan Myrick]

Why did the students have access to the whiteboard?

[Kendall Landriff]

We didn't go to a prison. I mean, it was. No, but, like, were your teachers, like, do not touch the whiteboard?

[Jordan Myrick]

So I think, kind of. I don't think to touch a teacher.

[Kendall Landriff]

I went to a California school, honey.

[Jordan Myrick]

So did I.

[Kendall Landriff]

Not in high school.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay?

[Kendall Landriff]

I eventually, I don't know, I just feel like it was kind of like, more chill. You'd write, like, notes to your teacher. You'd be like.

[Jordan Myrick]

Like, hey, I never, ever would have thought to touch the teacher's board.

[Kendall Landriff]

Oh, I feel like that was such a normal. I mean, some teachers, some. Not all teachers are created equal.

[Jordan Myrick]

I wouldn't go to, like, my math.

[Kendall Landriff]

Teacher'S whiteboard and write it on there.

[Jordan Myrick]

I never would have. I have such a distinct memory. This is even more embarrassing than that.

[Kendall Landriff]

What?

[Jordan Myrick]

I was hanging out with my older cousin, and 1. Some of her friends, and we were all practicing doing back bends. And I did a back bend, and as they did my back bend and I was little.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

My shirt came up.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Fully exposing myself. And then I farted. And it was. It felt so embarrassing. But then I distinctly. Did everyone laugh or did you pretend? Okay, they. I mean, we were like. I was probably five and they were probably seven or whatever, so it was, like, peak time to laugh at something like that. And I remember, like, talking to my aunt after, and I was like. I just think I got really, like, on a soapbox about it. I was on a very high horse. I was like, they're just, like, so immature. And I think it's just, like, really, like. I just think it's really interesting that, like, what's the difference between this and my elbow? And why can they see my elbow and not laugh? And why they see this and they laugh, and then what's the difference between a toot and a whistle or a sneeze? It's not embarrassing. It's not embarrassing when you put that on. It's not embarrassing when you sneeze.

[Kendall Landriff]

Right.

[Jordan Myrick]

But when you.

[Kendall Landriff]

Well, but I feel the same way when people. I can't even say the word. Can you say it for me?

[Jordan Myrick]

Burpees.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah. I literally can't even say it. Hate it. But I feel like people act like that's. To me, that literally is the same as farting. I hate that we've said fart so much.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sorry. Are you mad at me?

[Kendall Landriff]

No, but I just. Now I've like, I can't say it one more time. But, yeah, I'm like, those are the same to me. And people don't view them as the same. I feel like people will, like, burp all day, and I'm like, literally. That's disgusting. Yeah, that's literally. In fact, I think it's more disgusting because a fart is contained in your pants.

[Jordan Myrick]

So true that. It's how I feel.

[Kendall Landriff]

And that's my dating update.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's how I feel about shoes and hands and feet.

[Kendall Landriff]

I know which.

[Jordan Myrick]

You guys. I'll never stop saying it. Shoes are.

[Kendall Landriff]

I'll never stop saying. Cannot silence my wife.

[Jordan Myrick]

I cannot be silenced. Feet are clean because they're kept inside your shoes. Your hands touch everything. But people act like feet are so nasty. I'm like, what are you doing with your feet? They're contained in a shoe and a sock.

[Kendall Landriff]

I know your hands are. You know what it is? It's the sexualization of them.

[Jordan Myrick]

Of feet.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Which is crazy. Cuz. You do more sexual stuff with your hands.

[Kendall Landriff]

Normally for some.

[Jordan Myrick]

For most, I would say.

[Kendall Landriff]

Not me.

[Jordan Myrick]

Well, then that means me either. You're kind of outing both of us with that, Kendall. No, but, like, typically, you're doing most sexual things with your hands. Why aren't they seen as more sexual?

[Kendall Landriff]

I agree.

[Jordan Myrick]

And that kind of brings us back around to why no butt crack. But cleavage is good.

[Kendall Landriff]

So you've changed it. You changed your mind. You're like, now. Wait, actually, wait, actually.

[Jordan Myrick]

Butt crack is good? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. All right, well, let's get into some of these dating hot takes that people sent in and that we found on the Internet. Incredible to see how we feel. This person says their hot take is that there is no such thing as unconditional love. I agree with that.

[Kendall Landriff]

I disagree with that.

[Jordan Myrick]

What do you think unconditional love is?

[Kendall Landriff]

Loving someone, no matter what.

[Jordan Myrick]

But what if I murdered your mom?

[Kendall Landriff]

Okay, no, you can't ask me that, cuz she listens to this. So what if I murdered your mom? Truthful response.

[Jordan Myrick]

What if I murdered. You'd still love me if I murdered your mom?

[Kendall Landriff]

No, of course.

[Jordan Myrick]

What if I killed a bunch of.

[Kendall Landriff]

No, no. This is. But what I think is. Okay, first of all, this is. This is, I think, unhelpful, because that's not. That cannot be what that person means. But also I think it is. I think I would love you if you murdered someone, but I would not date you if you murdered someone. That's the difference. I would still love you. I think I would feel. I think I would be. I think I would. If you murdered. What even is this? I'm not gonna say my mom, because that's too. She. That's too traumatizing for her to hear on her morning drive to work. But if you murdered someone that I loved, I think I would be so horrified for that reason, but also because I would be like, what is going on with you? And I would ultimately have to divorce you, but I would probably visit you in prison and be like, why are you okay? And I think I still would love you.

[Jordan Myrick]

What if all of a sudden I started getting, like, politically, like, nasty? Like, I was like, wait a second.

[Kendall Landriff]

No, I. Okay, once again, I think I would be like, it's so hard. Because that is why I would say I love you unconditionally, because I love you. Because I know you so well that if that was happening, yes, I would love you. Because I would be like, what is going on? And I think it's the same thing. People talk about with their parents, where they're like, well, my parents were these amazing people. And then when they got into kind of the. Became a trumper and they went down this rabbit hole and they became this insane person. Of course, it's hard to not. It's easy to just be like, I'm cutting them off, whatever. They're terrible. But you still unconditionally love a person who you know deep down who they are. And so I think if you started doing that, I would be like, someone needs to switch around your medication or something. And maybe we would end up breaking up, but it would not change the way that I love you.

[Jordan Myrick]

What if you found out that this whole time I had been lying about something really big?

[Kendall Landriff]

Like what? Murdering my mom, I assume.

[Jordan Myrick]

I murdered your mom. I murdered your mom. And the woman that's playing your mom is a stunt double that I hired to pretend to be your mom.

[Kendall Landriff]

No, there's, like, no benefit for either of us. It's a just a show for you.

[Jordan Myrick]

What would be a thing that would be, like, really, like, what would be a good thing that I could lie about for, like, ever? I don't know. What if you was, like, actually, like, 60 and I've been lying to you this whole time?

[Kendall Landriff]

Once. Okay. I. Once again, I think I'd be like, you're really unwell. And I would be like, we still had a lot of good times, and there's no way if you were. That we've been together long enough that if you are a truly bad person, I would have found it in other ways. So even if you. I would be like, yeah, they're a pathological liar, but they also are. Have a lot of good personality traits. So once again, no, I would not still be with you if I found out you were 60 tomorrow. No, I would not be with you. I would break up with you.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I mean.

[Jordan Myrick]

No, I guess I'll keep telling your eyes. You still make me say, I guess I'll keep that secret still.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I would still love you. That's what I think unconditional love is. I don't think unconditional love is.

[Jordan Myrick]

What if I was like. What if I was like, this is a prank. This whole thing's been pranked. What does that even mean? And I'm straight, and this is a.

[Kendall Landriff]

Prank and it's being filmed.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

Okay. I would love you.

[Jordan Myrick]

It's jury duty.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yep. I wouldn't love you anymore.

[Jordan Myrick]

So no such thing as unconditional. No, this is my thing with unconditional love. I hear what you're saying, and what you're saying totally makes sense to me, and I agree with it. But I also think, to me, it's one of those things where sometimes I'll say that I don't feel like you can be in love with someone who's not in love with you. Because I think that you can have love for someone, you can love them, but to be in love with someone.

[Kendall Landriff]

That'S not what unconditional love is.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay, I was in the middle of a sentence, so God knows what I was even saying. I don't even remember anymore because I was so taken aback by being interrupted like that.

[Kendall Landriff]

I'll drink my water, so I'll stay quiet.

[Jordan Myrick]

I am just like, you can have love for someone. You can care about someone. But I'm like, to be in love with someone, I think that very much takes.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Two people working together to cultivate a thing. And I'm like, if you break up and you're like, I'm still in love, but they're not in love anymore. I'm like, are you really in love with them or are you just kind of like, infatuated with them and you have love for them? I think it's very convoluted. I think this is kind of like that. I think there are. Are a lot of things where it's like, unconditional love. But I'm like, I would not continue to be in love with you if you started doing, like, nasty stuff.

[Kendall Landriff]

Not in love, though. That's what I'm saying. It's like, to me, I think of unconditional love has nothing to do with romance. Okay, I heard you make that noise.

[Jordan Myrick]

I'm titillated by that thought.

[Kendall Landriff]

I don't think of unconditional love as romance. That's why I think, to me, I'm viewing you then as a family member, I'm viewing, like, I think of unconditional love. The first thing I think of is, like, children. And it's like, if I had a child, I think before I believe in it. Because I also think it's like a choice. Like, if I had a child, I would be like, I unconditionally love my child. My child becomes an absolute monster. It's not about how I go about dealing with it and interacting with them, but I have an unconditional love. I don't have unconditional love for many people, I would say, but you are someone I have unconditional love for.

[Jordan Myrick]

Nice.

[Kendall Landriff]

No matter what you do or what you did. And I always Think of Santa Clarita diet where she becomes a zombie. I'm like, I would be. Joel. I would be, like, trying to find, like, what did they say? Single, familyless Nazis to kill. Is that what they say on the show? On Santa Clarita Diet? Because they, like, need to find. She's like, she's a zombie, if you want to see. It's like, a great show. She's a zombie. And they're like, well, we need to find.

[Jordan Myrick]

We need to kill someone. But we need to kill someone bad.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yes, we need to kill someone bad. And so they're trying to find, like, single Nazis, basically.

[Jordan Myrick]

I would argue that even a married Nazi is bad.

[Kendall Landriff]

I think they were like, we don't want. We want to affect as little people as possible, so it has to be, like, a kind of bachelor, racist man. So anyways, I would do that for you. Like, I do. But if you started becoming a person that was making me miserable ever, or it just has nothing to do with, like, that's not even me going, we would never break up. Like, if you cheated on me.

[Jordan Myrick]

But we would never break up, right?

[Kendall Landriff]

Oh, my God. Oh, my. No, of course. But if we. If you cheated. But if you cheated on me.

[Jordan Myrick]

Probably. Maybe.

[Kendall Landriff]

I mean, we'd be a conversation probably if you did something really bad. If you were 60 years old and I'd found out this was all a prank show and you'd killed my mom. Yeah, I probably would break up with you.

[Jordan Myrick]

Huh?

[Kendall Landriff]

Now all three of those together, come on out. But I still would love you. And that's how I feel. I mean, it's like, you see kids who go down bad paths and do bad things. Oh, my God. I'll never forget the documentary about the woman with two kids, and one of the kids murdered her other kid, and she was like, well, now I only have one kid, but he murdered my other kid. And it's like, how do you navigate? I always think of that documentary, and she still goes and visits her kid in prison every single day.

[Jordan Myrick]

I understand that. Okay. You've changed my mind. I think you're right. There is unconditional love. I agree.

[Kendall Landriff]

Wait, play back the moment where Jordan said, I think once you hear what I'm gonna say, you're gonna change your mind.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think I will explain it in a way that will make you agree.

[Kendall Landriff]

With me, clip it out, and then send it to you.

[Jordan Myrick]

One thing that's wild is that right now I keep going to adjust my glasses, but I'm not wearing glasses. I have my contacts in Today.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

And I keep going to adjust my glasses.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

So if anyone's wondering why I'm kind of fidgeting around my face so much.

[Kendall Landriff]

You're trying to adjust?

[Jordan Myrick]

Because I'm trying to adjust glasses. Okay. This is, I think, a good one. The reason there are so many unhappily single men is because there are so many happily single women.

[Kendall Landriff]

Wow.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think that's true.

[Kendall Landriff]

I don't know enough about. I don't speak to enough men, I guess. I don't know a ton. I'm like, every man I know, I'm realizing, is via his wife.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure.

[Kendall Landriff]

So I'm just like, I don't know, or they're gay or they're gay, or they're in a relationship kind of wife guy. And I met them and they were super nice, but I don't really know many. Just, like, single straight men.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

So I.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay.

[Kendall Landriff]

Are you single? Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

And you're straight? Are we legally allowed to ask that?

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah. We get sued.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. Richie, are you happy?

[Kendall Landriff]

Of course. Oh, I love that.

[Jordan Myrick]

But Richie's built different.

[Kendall Landriff]

It's also. You really took a big risk with that question. Are you happy?

[Jordan Myrick]

Are you happy? Are you straight? No. Richie's like, I'm questioning both, and that's fine. You can change at any time. Either one of those.

[Kendall Landriff]

Richie and G. You just have to.

[Jordan Myrick]

You just let us know and we'll talk about it on the podcast. Yeah. I think that this is a theory that I have having, you know, Kendall and I are in a little bit of different positions because I have dated men in the past and Kendall has not. I think that in my experience, both seeing men date my friends and having dated men in the past, I think even some of the nicest, best men that are straight and CIS that I know still feel entitled to a certain amount or level of things. And I think a lot of straight CIS men, because they've gotten so much in their lives, especially white, straight CIS men, I think are kind of like, oh, well, if I. If I just worked a little bit harder, I could be Quentin Tarantino. If I just worked a little bit harder, I could be Nelson Mandela. Like, whatever. Who these people are who have, like, worked so hard and have such kind of, like, unbelievable careers, I just didn't.

[Kendall Landriff]

Spend an hour at night with my girlfriend watching the Bachelor. I would have achieved all those things.

[Jordan Myrick]

Exactly. I think they're like, I'm so close to being this thing because men are kind of sold this bill of, like, they can kind of have everything, which, once again, you know, it's not their fault either. It's. It's a bad societal thing that we do that reinforces bad things for everybody. But I think that this kind of goes into that, of it being like, well, you should have a wife. You should have a girlfriend. You should, whatever. But also, like, maybe you. Maybe being single is nice, you know?

[Kendall Landriff]

Well, I also think women historically value friendship in a way that men do not. I mean, like, historically, even just for, like, survival.

[Jordan Myrick]

And that's bad. Men should be valuing friendship more.

[Kendall Landriff]

I agree, but I think it's just like a different thing. I think. I think women, at least from what I see, because it feels very different in the queer community. But I do feel like online, I was just saying on the car right here, I was like, my algorithm between me going to the gym and loving horses, thinks I am a conservative trad wife in the middle of nowhere. So I do sometimes, you know, I kind of stay on that side of Tik Tok more for research. I'm like, what's going on over here? And I do feel like a lot of straight women, it is always that famous thing of, like, I still love my best friend more than I love my husband.

[Jordan Myrick]

Absolutely.

[Kendall Landriff]

Which is. Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

I also. Then you get into, like, cultural elements of it of, like, not every culture feels the same about marriage. So mostly I feel like I'm just talking about America because I can't speak on every culture. That's also something that really makes me laugh. So many things on the Internet I've seen recently. Someone will say something on, like. Like an American TV show, and they're all American, whatever. And then the comments will be like, well, maybe in America. And you're like, yeah, yeah, exactly where this takes place. Yeah, that's what they're talking about. So to provide a disclaimer, I don't know everything about every single culture in the entire world, but in my experience. Yet I'm so close. I'm so close. But I don't. Yet I think that, like, people are just sold a bill of, like, you'll be happier in a pair of. And I think a lot of socializing for men can, like, revolve around women, you know, getting gals going out on the town, trying to meet women, whatever. But, like, I wish men just, like, hung out a little more and just, like, did their hobbies together.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah. Well, I also think that there's probably a lot of unhappier women in relationships. Like, I feel like the transition from single woman to having a man living in Your house sounds like a horror movie plot line.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure, sure. But some people like it, and that's fine. And that's good. And I think that's good for them because it takes different strokes for different folks. Exactly.

[Kendall Landriff]

Right.

[Jordan Myrick]

But, yeah, I think that, like, the. How do you feel about the male loneliness epidemic?

[Kendall Landriff]

I don't care. No, I. I don't. I don't. I haven't done any research on that.

[Jordan Myrick]

I have not.

[Kendall Landriff]

I just. I'm like, I guess, yes, it's. But it's the same thing. It's like, what are we even talking about? It's like, all the same stuff. It's like, like, yeah, we all like. The way that men are treated in society is negatively affecting every single person. So I'm kind of just like, yeah, yeah, that's why. And that's sad. And I agree. Like, when someone's like, well, you know, men really struggle to, like, talk about their emotions. I'm like, 100% like, I don't feel like I need to speak to that because if we spoke to everything else, things would.

[Jordan Myrick]

Richie just shouted out that he was so happy.

[Kendall Landriff]

And Richie, why can't everybody. Man I care about, so why can't matter.

[Jordan Myrick]

Richie just did it out loud just now on a podcast. Yeah, I think it's sad. My initial response is obviously like, shut up. I don't care to the male loneliness epidemic. But when I really stop and think about it in kind of like a real and thoughtful way, I am like, it is sad.

[Kendall Landriff]

It's. Would you. Oh, you want to know?

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

Posted a tick tock and I was somewhere where I could listen to audio, so I just, like, read the caption of it. So I don't know what she said about this. I have a pretty good guess, but I'm not sure what she said about it. But it's a hot take that I want to say. That reminds me.

[Jordan Myrick]

What is this?

[Kendall Landriff]

It was like, like, it was like. I would never. Like. It is a red flag if a man doesn't have a sister.

[Jordan Myrick]

What?

[Kendall Landriff]

And I agree. Richie, do you have a sister?

[Jordan Myrick]

Kendall? And there you go. And there you go.

[Kendall Landriff]

But that is. It's a red flag. It doesn't mean. It doesn't mean I would.

[Jordan Myrick]

Look, he doesn't have a sister. No. Because I think. I completely disagree. Because you meet some weird brother sister relationships that I don't like, kid.

[Kendall Landriff]

Okay. And I think it has to do also where you're from. I feel like some people, it can be bad because it's a brother sister duo. And then the brother is treated like a prince and the daughter is treated bad.

[Jordan Myrick]

The brother is mommy's baby.

[Kendall Landriff]

And that's unfortunate. Yeah, 100%. But I do still think what I find is there's a lot of. I think it would be fine if the guy had a lot of guy or a lot of girlfriends, but I.

[Jordan Myrick]

Think that I don't always like that either. I think that sometimes that's, you know.

[Kendall Landriff]

The vibe I'm talking about. You know, like a guy who has normal female friends.

[Jordan Myrick]

And I think.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I think when there are some men that I'm like, you've literally never spent time with a woman, like ever.

[Jordan Myrick]

100%. But I also think that there are men that spend a lot of time around women and those women are also catering to the patriarchy in a way where I'm like, being around women is not inherently beneficial. I think conceptually I understand what's being said. But when you like, it's like a man's around a bunch of like, weird, like, like fat, phobic, homophobic, like racist women. I don't inherently think he's like, but you know what I mean? Some of the worst men I've ever met have wives and have sisters and have mothers and have daughters. Every single time a man leaves a disgusting comment about me on the Internet and I see it, you click on his profile. What's he doing? He's holding his daughter and he's standing next to his wife, Dot.

[Kendall Landriff]

But neither of those are his sister. I think a daughter is completely different. I think a wife is completely different. I think having a sister, I think growing up, if you're similar ages, no matter how your family is and we don't, you know, yes, of course there's always someone who's like homophobic and racist and terrible. But let's just assume we're not talking about that. I'm just talking about general people growing up next to another woman feels like that is gonna have an effect on you. That's going to. And I think because of the society we live in, women are more XYZ X whatever. And to be exposed to that makes you a more, I don't know, well rounded individual.

[Jordan Myrick]

I like.

[Kendall Landriff]

So I would never send my daughter to an all girls school.

[Jordan Myrick]

I like the concept. I don't know if the execution works for that execution.

[Kendall Landriff]

Okay, I see what you're saying.

[Jordan Myrick]

Do you know what I mean? I think Eli Rallo, come on the show, let's talk.

[Kendall Landriff]

To be clear, I didn't watch. I literally just Saw her say, I saw. It was like, captioned. So I don't know what Eli Rallo's thoughts on it were, because I was in a place I couldn't turn on audio, But I just got me thinking. I was like, oh, do I think that's a red flag? And I think red flag also means. Means it's not like I'm like, red flag means no way. And green flag means, if you have a sister, I'll date you.

[Jordan Myrick]

That makes me laugh. I feel like in the past, when we've done, like, red flags or green flags, people are like, that's a red flag. That's disgusting that you would say that. People don't deserve to live that. And I'm like, that's not what a red flag. No, I mean, I think of a.

[Kendall Landriff]

Red flag that the other person thinks is a red flag when we started dating, but it's like. It's like a red flag is like, oh, it's something to think about.

[Jordan Myrick]

Everybody has red flags or things that seem like red flags. And also everybody has these different red flags.

[Kendall Landriff]

So to me, that is a red flag. To me, you don't have a sister. That's a red flag. Because I would just be like, oh, interesting. Something to think about.

[Jordan Myrick]

I don't know. I'm still not buying into. Let me think about once again. I.

[Kendall Landriff]

You're buying into the patriarchy.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think I just know so many men who have sisters that are awful, who grew up as mommy's baby.

[Kendall Landriff]

But that's a whole. But then we have to. That's mommy's baby. That's different to me.

[Jordan Myrick]

But it's all in the world, right?

[Kendall Landriff]

Like, it's all.

[Jordan Myrick]

If we're looking at the world of, like, boy, you know who I really wouldn't date?

[Kendall Landriff]

Who? No, no. Red flag. It's not. I wouldn't date. I wouldn't date anybody because I'm in love with you. But a girl who's grown up with only brothers is a really specific type of woman, I feel like. Who has, like, five brothers, not just, like, two. Who. The youngest sister who has, like, five older brothers. Well.

[Jordan Myrick]

Cause you. And I don't like princess girl.

[Kendall Landriff]

Princess girl. And is also like. And I could beat the shit out of you.

[Jordan Myrick]

Oh, yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

I'm like. So you're five foot tall.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

And also, yes, you probably could. I don't want you to.

[Jordan Myrick]

I'm one of the boys. Like that. You don't like that energy.

[Kendall Landriff]

I don't like that. I don't like it. I don't like that. I'm not like other girls.

[Jordan Myrick]

You're different. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think of what. Something like that. I mean, mommy's baby is my biggest red flag. And I've dated mommy's baby baby right now and I am dating him. I've almost. Honestly, this is disgusting. I'm having this realization in real time. I've almost exclusively dated mommy's babies. I think I'm mommy, but I think it's different.

[Kendall Landriff]

I think men's mommy's baby is very different from girls mommy's baby.

[Jordan Myrick]

But you're also not mommy's baby with me. I think that the people I dated.

[Kendall Landriff]

I'm mommy's baby. I'm pointing at you. If you're listening on audio. I'm Jordan's mommy's baby.

[Jordan Myrick]

To my mom.

[Kendall Landriff]

No, to you. Well, and your mom. I'm a mom is in the room. I'm the baby.

[Jordan Myrick]

You're not the baby to me, I don't think. But you're the baby to my mom for sure.

[Kendall Landriff]

Baby.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. You love maternal energy, but I do not have maternal energy. And I don't think anyone I've been with, I've been mommy and they've been baby.

[Kendall Landriff]

I think I have a maternal energy.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think you do as well.

[Kendall Landriff]

Do you even.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think you have a more maternal energy than I do. But I. I think that everyone I've dated, I have not been mommy, but they have been baby and they've been mommy's baby. Does that make sense?

[Kendall Landriff]

An orphan?

[Jordan Myrick]

They've. No, I wish. Give them a little character. They've been mommy's baby for sure.

[Kendall Landriff]

I think it's.

[Jordan Myrick]

And then it's hard though, because I'm just like another person. Do you know what I mean? Because they're like, I'm mommy's baby and who are you? Is kind of like what it feels like. They're my mom. How do you play into mommy's baby? Because I'm baby, so that means I'm the earth. No, I'm the sun. I'm the sun. Baby's the sun. And then Mommy is like the Earth orbiting around the sun.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yep.

[Jordan Myrick]

Daddy's a moon.

[Kendall Landriff]

I've. You've lost me a little bit on this. But I do get what you're saying.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think what I'm saying makes a lot of sense.

[Kendall Landriff]

Girls, Mommy's babies, it's much more an emotional thing, like I feel versus I think boys. Mommy's babies, it's like they cannot function on their own.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think that's what you want it to be because you're mommy's baby. But I don't want to.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I don't rely on my mom in a way of like, I rely on my mom emotionally. Like, not. And not like a reliance, but like, my mom will be like my baby girl versus me being like. Like, mom, you need to come and. To my doctor's appointment with me. You know what I mean?

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes. But I don't think mommy's baby is going to doctor's appointments with you. I think mommy's baby is like an emotional thing and you're mommy's baby. And I think you're a lot less mommy's baby now than you used to be.

[Kendall Landriff]

Because I've gotten older.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah, but you used to be very mommy's baby in a way where I was like, calm down.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I know that if I had a kid, they would be mommy's baby.

[Jordan Myrick]

I would not allow it.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yep. Oh, good luck with that.

[Jordan Myrick]

I would not allow it. I think mommy's baby is one of the worst qualities you can have.

[Kendall Landriff]

If I had a kid. Kid. No matter what they. Oh, God. There's this woman who I took an improv class with years and years ago, who I just. She has five sons, and every single. And all of these sons are married. And you could not tell. You would think she had five daughters. The way she treats the. The.

[Jordan Myrick]

The wife.

[Kendall Landriff]

It's like she's a. Adores them. And it is like when it is their birthday, when it is their anniversary, when it is their first day of school, when it is their. She makes a nine paragraph. I have to show it to you sometime. Nine paragraph posts for each Facebook post.

[Jordan Myrick]

But you know what's hard about that?

[Kendall Landriff]

All caps.

[Jordan Myrick]

You know what's hard about that?

[Kendall Landriff]

And that would be me.

[Jordan Myrick]

You know what's hard about that? I've been in similar situations, and once the two of you break up, she's done. She's done with me.

[Kendall Landriff]

I don't know if she would.

[Jordan Myrick]

And that's really hard because she wished.

[Kendall Landriff]

Me a happy engagement for you and I.

[Jordan Myrick]

But you weren't dating one of her kids.

[Kendall Landriff]

I know, but I hardly knew her. I just think she's a people's princess. She's for the people.

[Jordan Myrick]

She's the people's princess.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I do get what you're saying. I feel like moms like that. Like, you're my new daughter. You're my new daughter.

[Jordan Myrick]

Been around anyone like that. My family is kind of like, my family's very, like, funny. And nice, but they're not, like, effusive and emotional necessarily.

[Kendall Landriff]

Well. And they take it like, I'm close with your parents now because we've been together five years and I've spent a lot of time with your parents. I'm not close with your parents because I'm in a relationship.

[Jordan Myrick]

I would say my parents are very normal.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. My parents are very. Like, we just met and it's nice to meet you. But I once dated someone where it was like, their mom was immediately like, you're my daughter. And I was like, oh, this is really sweet. And then the moment the relationship ended, which was not my fault and nothing bad happened.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

She was like, bye. Unfollowed on Instagram. Like, very, like, immediately unfollowed. I think that's really harmful behavior. That's what I'll say.

[Kendall Landriff]

Wow.

[Jordan Myrick]

That's what I'll say.

[Kendall Landriff]

Okay, what's the next hot take?

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[Jordan Myrick]

The person who cares the least controls the relationship. I 100 agree with that.

[Kendall Landriff]

Who care? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Like the most careless person in the relationship and the person that's the least invested, I think kind of narrates and dictates the whole relationship.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah, they, like, completely control it. 100.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. Because if they, like, don't care to be on time and they're always late, then you as a couple are always late.

[Kendall Landriff]

Or if it's like, I think two, you become a little like, I don't know when I've dated people in the past where clearly they were just not invested. It'd be like, when they did want to hang out, it was like, I'll drop everything and come out with you, which is not fair. And then you're kind of waiting. I used to find myself, which I made a rule. I wasn't allowed to do this anymore. But I would find myself being like, well, I don't want to make plans.

[Jordan Myrick]

In case I want to make.

[Kendall Landriff]

You can't do that. You really can't do that. But I would it's like, well, I don't want to go do anything because what if they call me? Because if they do, I can't lose that opportunity. It's so annoying.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah, absolutely. I think that. Yeah, I just think if you're bringing bad vibes, no amount of good vibes can bring up the bad vibes. And no amount of hard work can bring up a lack of hard work. So it's kind of just like destroys a relationship. But I obviously know that. But I had never thought about it. And when I. I read that, I was like, wow. I've been in so many relationships like that where I've just been like, if you can come 20, I can come 80 or whatever. But it's like, if that's a consistent thing, it's like it's just not going to work.

[Kendall Landriff]

God.

[Jordan Myrick]

You know what I mean?

[Kendall Landriff]

I believe I used to like have those conversations, you know? I know I used to sit with someone and be like. Like, I know you're not as into me as I'm into you. And we can work with that. Like, that's okay. It's like literally so embarrassing. I. We were just watching Bachelor in Paradise and sometimes watching these women interact with these men, I'm like, oh my God. Like, I don't know. And to be honest, I don't know if they're doing anything wrong because I'm like, I don't know. Maybe that's how you have to do it to make it work with some of these men. But I. There was one girl who was like literally apologizing for being like, I'm just really excited about this and I'm sorry that that's pushing you away. But she was like being for real. She wasn't like, like passive aggressively saying I'm sorry. She was being like, I'm really sorry.

[Jordan Myrick]

And these women are so hot. And these men look like thumbs.

[Kendall Landriff]

They all look like.

[Jordan Myrick]

They look like the Floops fluglies. You know what I mean? Like they are not doing well. They look like they're from Spy Kids and I don't like it whatsoever.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah, they're. They always have mustard on their face.

[Jordan Myrick]

The men.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah, they always have mustard.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. Cuz they're always eating like a big sandwich.

[Kendall Landriff]

Always eating like a sandwich. I'm like, put the sandwich down for two minutes. And then they're like sucking on their.

[Jordan Myrick]

Fingers like, why are you eating a sandwich?

[Kendall Landriff]

Okay. I was. Would not throw stones in glass houses. You would need to see how much.

[Jordan Myrick]

A part of my art does not on camera not on camera. Not on camera. Not on national. Not on national television. And I would eat something a little more authentic. So these were sent in by our listeners on Instagram. Honestly, we got so many of these, we might have to do a part two of this.

[Kendall Landriff]

Oh, my God.

[Jordan Myrick]

Let us know if you want us to do that. Don't date someone who only likes dogs.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

If they don't like other animals, they only like dogs. That's a red flag. That's what this person is saying.

[Kendall Landriff]

Because even I was going to say, like, you don't want a cat because you're allergic to cats. Cats. And I also don't think your energy matches with, like, owning a cat, but you would do anything for a cat. Like, I like. And I feel that way you with any animal. Like, you love animals. You're scared of horses, but you respect horses. Like, of course you love animals. You want the best for animals. You're not like, dogs are the best animal. You're just like, I like having a dog.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

But I'm like, yeah, I. I think anyone. Anyone disliking an animal is weird unless.

[Jordan Myrick]

You'Re scared of it. I think if you're like, I'm scared of snakes, so I don't even own snake. That's fine.

[Kendall Landriff]

It's weird. It's like, to be like, I hate them. I want them to die. It's like, I. Like, I could never date someone that hunted. I could never date someone who hunted.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

I can never date someone who, like. And look, I can understand that I'm a little hypocritical because I eat meat. So where do I think that comes from?

[Jordan Myrick]

Well, let me tell you what I think about that.

[Kendall Landriff]

Fun. I think it's for fun.

[Jordan Myrick]

Where it comes in is that if we lived in rural West Virginia.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

And people hunted for food, if they.

[Kendall Landriff]

Like, ate, shot, and then a different thing.

[Jordan Myrick]

But even like. Like, I know a lot of people that live in a lot of different places that are like. Even if they're like, oh, I eat it after, but they're still like, I do. To me, it's strange to be like, I'm spending hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to essentially go on vacation. And that vacation is. I'm, like, driving out to, like, shoot animals with a gun. Even if you. If you kill them, I do think you should eat them after because that makes the most sense. And obviously eating an animal that you've killed yourself is better for the environment than factory farming. So it's not that. But there is something strange to Me.

[Kendall Landriff]

Someone finding enjoyment.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. Someone finding enjoyment and hurting something else.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yes.

[Jordan Myrick]

Is bizarre to me.

[Kendall Landriff]

Like, when you watch on alone, a lot of people there will eat. They, they obviously like kill and eat their own meat.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

It is always like an emotional thing for them. Not that I'm like, I understand if you have to do it every day, if you're like, always, but this is like never. This is probably like eight. Eight people out of all the people that are hunting. But like, if you're someone who's like, every day having to kill an animal, it's not that I think you need to cry over it. Like, that would be terrible for your mental health. But I am like, on that show, they always like, thank the animal and they're not. You can tell they're not like, that was awesome.

[Jordan Myrick]

I love that.

[Kendall Landriff]

I love the rush when I kill it. It's like that really freaks me out.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes. Well, I always compare it to, like, if you met someone who was like, like, I spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on gear and all of my time off work to go around my house and kill bugs. I put on a special outfit and then when I kill the bug, I take a photo with it.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

And then I put the bug up in my house after I've killed it. You'd be like, you're a serial killer.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

What's wrong with you? You'd be so freaked. But for some reason, people do that with like deer. It's like not thought of as strange.

[Kendall Landriff]

Right. And I need to look up how the inside of fish's mouths work because I've also, I might be uneducated in this.

[Jordan Myrick]

Oh, you've hear that it doesn't hurt them.

[Kendall Landriff]

No, no. I haven't heard anything is my point. I don't know. So I might be wrong. It may not hurt them, but I've always thought it's interesting when people are like, well, I just catch the fish. I, I. But then I throw them back.

[Jordan Myrick]

No. I think that's weird.

[Kendall Landriff]

And I'm always like, to me, it makes more sense. And look, I've done that before. I actually kind of enjoy fishing. I haven't gone in like 15 years, but.

[Jordan Myrick]

But do you enjoy catching the fish or do you just enjoy the ceremony around.

[Kendall Landriff]

I don't need to. I don't think I've. I've caught one fish in my life.

[Jordan Myrick]

Okay.

[Kendall Landriff]

Been fishing many a times as a kid, like as a kid with other adults. So I don't really know. If I had a fishing pole right now, I'd have no idea what to do with it. But I just liked hanging out. Like I liked hang a pretty lake and. And like the waiting game of it was kind of fun. But I was always like, if you catch it, feels like you should like eat it. Put it out of its misery. And also it's like a sustainable meal versus like just injuring a bunch of fish and then putting that back. But I don't know. Then I was like, well, maybe it like doesn't hurt them. Maybe it like.

[Jordan Myrick]

But it has to be mentally upset.

[Kendall Landriff]

I know. That's another thing. I'm like, they are probably so scared during it. So I'm like, it feels like way better to drive. Just like pull it out, cut it in half immediately and be like, okay, it's done and then eat it. It's like that makes sense.

[Jordan Myrick]

Doing it to eat. Okay. Doing it for enjoyment feels.

[Kendall Landriff]

Feels a little weird.

[Jordan Myrick]

A little perverted to me.

[Kendall Landriff]

Fishes start to get a little. It's like, okay, I think it's. But maybe that's me being a hypocrite cuz maybe it's cuz that's the only thing I've done. But I am just like, yeah, I couldn't date someone who like didn't like animals. Now someone being like, I don't really want to own a cat. I'm like, no, that would not be like, yeah. Wait, what did they say again?

[Jordan Myrick]

If they only like dogs.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah, I don't know what I mean, that's. I've never really met someone who's like, I only like dogs though.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think that maybe is more like a guy thing.

[Kendall Landriff]

I only liked.

[Jordan Myrick]

You know what I mean?

[Kendall Landriff]

Okay. If a man said I only like dogs, that feels weird to me.

[Jordan Myrick]

It feels sexist.

[Kendall Landriff]

It feels sexist because boys are dogs and boys are dogs, girls are cats.

[Jordan Myrick]

I know. Which is like a fake made up thing. But for some reason it does feel like kind of like being like the girl thing's gay.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah. Even. Even if they have a girl dog, I'm like, I. I would just be like that. That's sexy and weird.

[Jordan Myrick]

You know what else I don't like though? What? Guys that are too into their girl dog. Relax. Do you know what I mean? When they're like, yeah, this is my girl dog. She's my girl and she's a girl and she's a. I'm like, I don't. It doesn't really matter what gender your dog is. I don't think your dog has like the concept of gender that like you still have to be nice to like other women that you work with. Just because you have a girl dog doesn't really matter.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah. Probably doesn't have a sister.

[Jordan Myrick]

The dog.

[Kendall Landriff]

No, the guy that's probably my. Yeah, this is the dog.

[Jordan Myrick]

Doesn't have a sister. This person's hot. Take is. An age gap doesn't have to be weird unless you make it weird weird. And I agree with that.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah, I agree with that, too.

[Jordan Myrick]

I think the thing with age gaps is, like, is it weird or not? And sometimes it's weird, and sometimes it's not. But just, like, think about it for two seconds.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Kendall and I are six years, about six years apart. We met. We were both in our 20s. Now you're in your 20s, I'm in my 30s.

[Kendall Landriff]

More than anything. We're both in our 20s, but we were in the same place. Like, yeah, Jordan went to college. I did not go to college. College. So we were both, like, doing the same things. We were working the same type of jobs. We were in the same place in our life. We were wanting the same types of things. It would have been weird. This is what I. I've said this word, so I'll be short, but it's like, that was my issue when I was 18 is I was like. And we didn't start dating when I was 18, but when I was 18, I was like, date someone your age. And I was like, everyone my age still lives with their parents and is going to college. They're living a completely different life. Their job. I. One point was teaching a class. Class at ucla. And I. All the students in the class were older than me. And I'd be like, what are you guys doing over the summer? And they'd be like, well, my mom's neighbor's gonna let me babysit the kids over. It was just like, a different world. We're in a different place. I am, like, paying rent, paying for, you know, I'm being an adult human thing. So I always dated people that were older because that was who I was around. It was like, the places. The locations I was in was with a lot of, like, 25 to 35 year olds.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah. And I had never, ever dated someone younger than me. I had only dated people older than me. So I was very, like, not into it at first with you. I was like, oh, no, I don't like that. But then after talking to my friends about it, they were like, what's the big. You're both in your 20s. You're both like, what is the big deal about that?

[Kendall Landriff]

And I would say we never. I never feel like we have an age gap. No, I did not notice an age gap at all. But I also know people who are the same exact age. And there's a weird power dynamic.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes.

[Kendall Landriff]

And it's like a weird. And once again, that's not illegal, by the way. Like, having a kind of weird power dynamic. I'm not like, both of you should be in jail. It's just kind of like. Like in relationships, there can be weird relationships where you look back and you're like, well, yeah, maybe not like. Or maybe I was kind of giving in to everything that person. It's like there can be weird power dynamics. And that doesn't have to do with age. I think I've seen people where, like, there we talk about this in the gay community. I feel like, because people come out really late in life. Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

A man who's like 40 who just came out of the closet is in such a different way, different place in life typically, than a gay man who is 40 who has been out his whole life.

[Kendall Landriff]

Right.

[Jordan Myrick]

So it might make more sense for a gay man in his 40s who just came out to date someone who also just came out versus dating someone who's like 40 or 50 that's been out their whole life because they're just in such different places. So I think you do see that more in the gay community. But I agree that sometimes people are making age gaps too weird where like. Like Kendall and I will kind of joke about this because Demi Lovato has that really sad song that's about her and allegedly Wilmer Valderrama and how they had this huge age gap and he serially dated really young women. He's like a absolute freak. It appears, allegedly to me. And people were sharing it as like a trend a couple years ago on Tik Tok. And the Demi Lovato song is like 1729. That's the age difference between her and Wilmer Valderrama when they were dating.

[Kendall Landriff]

And then she's 29 when she wrote the song and she's 29 when she wrote Imagine Dating.

[Jordan Myrick]

Once again, like dating 17 year old. That's an underage person. So that's also totally different. You're not. That's an adult and someone who's underage. So that's completely different. And people were sharing their experiences under that song. And it was so sad because, you know, when Demi Lovato says 1729, people would share the age gaps that they had. So. And some of them are really liking know, 15, 40, like really like bad, you know, 1965, whatever. Like really wild age gaps that were probably super inappropriate. But then it kind of got co opted by people that I think clearly did not have a good relationship and that they felt sad about, but kind of then would start posting it. It would be like 17, 29 and they would share the ages and it would be like 18 and 20. And I'm like, that's not.

[Kendall Landriff]

No.

[Jordan Myrick]

And the relationship, not it that's like.

[Kendall Landriff]

That the relationship could have been horrible, but it's not because it's not like he. That person needs to be in prison for dating someone that's under it. It's like a different, it's like a different thing. It's like, you know, also a bad relationship. And I think sometimes people get like that with so many things where it's like, well, in any. Anything can have a bad experience.

[Jordan Myrick]

Like, yes, anything can have a bad experience.

[Kendall Landriff]

So it's also like, yeah, in relationships where people are the exact same age, there's really bad relationship. Like it's just. Is you can't. But does it. Is it bad because of the age difference and, and is the power dynamic because of the age difference?

[Jordan Myrick]

Yeah.

[Kendall Landriff]

Also if you're dating your boss but you're the same age, there's going to be different.

[Jordan Myrick]

There's also the power dynamic. Yeah, there's so many things that go to it.

[Kendall Landriff]

Like I dated a girl that was much, much older than me. And I don't know, looking back, I am like it was a bit of a. It was a bit of a. It was quite a bit of an age gap. And I was.

[Jordan Myrick]

And younger, a lot younger.

[Kendall Landriff]

I think I was too young. I was a legal adult, but I think I was too young to be dating this person. Granted, I'm also reeled myself that I look back and I'm like, that was not the cause of like I am not. I was not negatively affected by that.

[Jordan Myrick]

You're not like mad at her?

[Kendall Landriff]

No, we didn't date. I mean we didn't even date that long. But also like I was kind of being a little ass. Which. Yeah, I was 18. So that's probably also why.

[Jordan Myrick]

Sure.

[Kendall Landriff]

So that, you know, you whatever. But I just have to be sometimes it's like be real. Were you traumatized by it? Were you? If you were, okay, that's a conversation. But I, you know, I wasn't and I think it is like any problem we had in that relationship was not because of the age gap. It could have been, but it Wasn't. I think sometimes people just get. It's like, look at your relationship and decide what. But I think if you're just like, this person wants to date me and I'm. I'm four years younger than them, that is a red flag. That's bad. And the relationship's gonna be bad because of it.

[Jordan Myrick]

No, that's fine. Yeah. There's a huge difference between dating someone who's a different age than you and like a 70 year old man dating like an 18 year old girl. And they have nothing in common. It's. I think that's like so much of it too. It's like if someone wants to date you, you just because of your looks or just because of your age or whatever, but. And nothing else in your lives lines up. I think that's strange.

[Kendall Landriff]

Well, I think in our society we've like, in general struggle with nuance. Now it's just like everything is either good or bad. Really bad. Like it's, it's the. We can put this person in this group or this group and it's like a lot of things are very nuanced and a lot of things are not just like bad or good or things would be really easy. But I think you see that so much with like dating stuff where people are like, anyone who does that. Bad.

[Jordan Myrick]

Yes, absolutely. And that's why you guys come to this podcast. For nuance.

[Kendall Landriff]

Yeah.

[Jordan Myrick]

Thank you so much for watching today. As always, this is a completely independently created and funded podcast. So like, Comment, Subscribe, Join the Patreon. We have free episodes ad free episodes, giveaways, live chats, a book club. It's fun over there.

[Kendall Landriff]

It's really a hoot and a holler over there. Thank you all so much for listening and we hope that you have just a super dandy week.

[Jordan Myrick]

Happy Monday.

[Kendall Landriff]

Bye.