Bo & Colin Interview Each Other (In Loving Memory of Bo Lueders)

Summary

HardLore: Bo & Colin Interview Each Other (In Loving Memory of Bo Lueders)

Podcast: HardLore (Knotfest)
Hosts: Colin Young (Twitching Tongues & God’s Hate), Bo Lueders (Harm’s Way)
Date: April 9, 2026
Episode Theme:
This deeply personal and emotional episode serves as both a self-interview between Colin and Bo—a long-held, comprehensive discussion meant to reveal their personal histories—and a heartfelt tribute to Bo, who has recently passed away. Colin frames the episode as an opportunity for listeners to experience Bo’s kindness, humor, and sensitivity, immortalizing his spirit through candid stories and reflections.

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1. Introduction & Intent (00:00–04:00)

• Colin opens the episode explaining that Bo has recently passed away and this particular episode, which was initially recorded months ago and held back due to its vulnerability, now stands as a “loving memory” of Bo.
• Purpose: To let fans see the “kind, gentle, sensitive person” Bo was, share what they wanted to be known about themselves, and provide comfort through shared memories.
• Colin:

  “But the memory of beautiful [Bo] is most important. And that memory to all of you should be the kind, gentle, sensitive person you're about to experience over the next two and a half hours.” (01:10)

• The episode consists of Colin and Bo interviewing each other with 150+ self-generated questions, trimmed to the most revealing and compelling, to “document the full story” of who they are.

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2. Early Life, Family, and Upbringing (04:00–22:17)

Bo:

• Grew up in Illinois after his parents divorced when he was a baby, moving around DuPage County and ultimately living in Bloomingdale and Roselle.
• Lived in a four-generation household at times.
• Childhood memories include moving frequently, being the oldest grandchild, and stories of his Italian heritage.
• His dad, who struggled with addiction and later found religion, re-entered Bo’s life and introduced him to Chicago’s cultural highlights (e.g., Cubs games, Taste of Chicago).
• The significance of Metra trains and early exposure to the city.
• First show: NOFX at House of Blues at 13.

Colin:

• Born in Bristol, Connecticut, the first “Yankee” in a Southern family lineage.
• Moved due to his dad’s career at ESPN.
• Parents’ divorce led to moving around West Hartford and Hartford, and fundamental life changes.
• Relationship with older brothers, especially Taylor (a recurring major influence).
• Paralleled Bo’s AV/tech-filled upbringing, with both dads working in technical fields.

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Notable Quotes:

• Bo:

  “I was the only child of two parents who were the black sheep of their families... So when she was gone, I would wander and find kids.” (34:15)

• Colin:

  “I was a little weirdo... Taylor’s brother... socially, I was pretty shy. I was a performer, you know, I wanted to perform.” (37:54)

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3. Influence, Values, and Early Lessons (22:17–32:12)

Influential Figures:

• Colin’s older brother Taylor ("without him, the me that is known does not exist").
• Bo’s dad ("my guy"). Childhood consisted of “Fuddruckers, Blockbuster, spoiling, and two Christmases," balanced with mom as a disciplinarian.
• Chris Mills, Bo’s close friend, “His tailor. Whatever he was into, I wanted to be into.”

Money, Work, Survival:

• Bo’s first job: hot dog stand at 14. Dad insisted half be saved; early lesson in saving and value of time.
• Colin witnessed his dad work extensively; learned about hard work, sacrifice, and the true cost of “working for your family."

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4. Formative Memories, Social Dynamics & Misunderstandings (32:12–54:53)

• Colin’s eye-opening childhood memory: facing family racism (Good Burger VHS taken out) and recognizing family doesn’t always equate to values.

  “That taught me, like, okay, I’m not... I will never be that.” (29:47)

• Bo’s: Early independence due to mom's work; learned to be trustworthy—arrested once as a minor for airsoft gun, but trusted by his mom ("if I get in trouble, that’s you").
• Both discuss homes with limited means, responsibility, and how creativity (music, skateboarding, gaming) became refuge.

Social Life, Approval, and Belonging:

• Bo: “Desperate for approval,” made his own family of friends (Chris, James), felt lonely and new-kid syndrome.
• Colin: Performed but was shy; played with action figures well into mid-teens; embraced lying as a lonely “first big lie” (claimed to play Krillin in a Dragonball Z movie).

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5. Expectations, Adolescence, and Feeling Out of Place (54:53–76:52)

• College was expected by both mothers, both were poor students, failed to meet standard academic expectations.
• Religious/family expectations caused tension for Bo (devout dad vs. punk/straight edge path).
• Colin’s dad, supportive of music, recognized music and bands as their “college.”
• Finding punk, belonging: Both felt misunderstood (smelly kid, musical outcast), and talk about early experiences with subculture (“kid in school who’d write fuck god on my jeans”).

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6. Bands, First Competency, and Escapes (76:53–98:11)

First Bands:

• Colin: Death Valley Driver (solo), then Buried In Silence (first show), and Ruckus (first real band) with Taylor. Ruckus marked acceptance as an equal.
• Bo: Kick Me Brutal (cover band), Double Crossed (first hardcore show).
• Both nurtured by local scenes, fantasy-booking flyers, and being motivated by approval from influential peers (brother or friend).

First Escape:

• Bo: Nintendo 64, Ocarina of Time, and later MMOs, became immersive escapes.
• Colin: Game Boy Pocket/Color, Pokémon (“I attribute Pokémon to why I didn’t notice my parents’ divorce”).

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7. Adulthood, Failure, and Core Values (98:12–147:32)

Work & Adulthood:

• Bo: Real job = call center, living cheap, wrongly terminated ("wrongful termination from Total Attorneys"), and the harsh reality of scrounging for every dollar.
• Colin: “Big Brother” TV show crew—saw potential career, left for tours, and experienced the tension between creative aspirations and “regular life.”
• Framed receipt from Chase—Bo’s adulthood wake-up call: overdrawn by 54 cents, scrounging a dollar to avoid bank fees.

On Failure and Regret:

• Colin: Giving up theater after a negative teacher experience, and the reception of “disharmony” as a personal and professional failure.
• Bo: Making his mom sad or life harder for her (breaking a window, seeing her cry).

Unprepared Adulthood:

• Both: “Child rearing—nope!,” too selfish for parenthood.
• Colin: Fears about death—unprepared for loss of parents or brother.

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8. Emotional Lives & Dynamics (147:32–154:43)

Anger, Sadness, Anxiety:

• Bo: Anxious about being late, FOMO, guilt.
• Colin: Sadness is his dominant emotional theme ("Typo is my favorite band because of the sadness"), anxiety connected to podcasting and audience.

Public Perception & Guilt:

• Both feel “punk guilt” about platform, and guilt about fast-food references or not showcasing unknown bands.
• Flatness by perception: Jokes and insider bits being co-opted.

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9. Podcast: What Works & Evolution (131:10–147:32)

• “Furnace Fest” was a pivotal moment—they realized the show could work.
• Everything about talking and riffing is natural; technical and production aspects were learned (praise for producer/editor Steven).
• Divided labor: Colin is hyper-prepared, Bo improvises; this balance ensures flexibility and professionalism.
• Almost stopped during early technical/production stress.

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10. Partnership & Closing Reflections (147:33–End)

• Candid about their honest first impressions of each other—humor, mutual admiration, slow-building kinship (anchor in COVID-era D&D games).
• Difference in personalities: Bo is more extroverted, Colin more introverted off-mic.
• Lessons learned: It's okay to let someone take the lead; mutual support is important; their dynamic is symbiotic, not competitive.
• On Audience/Responsibility: Primary responsibility is honesty; mindful about guests; want their show/archives and approach to outlive them.
• Bo: Rejecting "normal" is the spark he hopes lives on.

  “I hope that there will always be a 13-year-old who's like, ‘No.’” (153:23)

• Colin: Hopes the archive and music outlive them.

Closing Moments:

• Final tribute—love to friends, family (especially Taylor and Bo’s inner circle), and thanks to listeners.
• Ends on a Lord of the Rings reference:

  “He did not fail them. He did what most men could not.” (158:38)

  • Colin pledges: One day, he will "log off"—but until then, being present on HardLore is a privilege and gift.

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Notable/Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Colin on grief and legacy:

  “Everything really does come in waves. You experience every human emotion at once. But the memory of beautiful is most important.” (01:10)

• Bo on family struggle and resilience:

  “I was the only child of two parents who were the black sheep of their families... So when she was gone, I would wander and find kids.” (34:15)

• Colin on family racism/awakening:

  “That taught me, like, okay, I’m not... I don’t... I’m not that. And I will never be that.” (29:47)

• Colin (on Taylor’s influence):

  “Without him, the me that is known does not exist.” (14:58)

• Bo (on approval/friendship):

  “I wanted to be liked. I wanted to be accepted. I wanted friends because I was lonely, you know?” (37:46)

• Bo on adult wakeup moment:

  “I got the thing and it said, you are… either $0.54 or $0.46 overdrawn... That was the moment I was like, I gotta do something. This is pathetic.” (112:55)

• Colin on sadness as a prevailing emotion:

  “Sadness is maybe my definitive emotion… all the 'Kill Myself' songs in the world, those are my favorite songs.” (84:53)

• Bo on escape:

  “I would turn on Ocarina of Time to watch the sunrise… just stand in Zora Village because I thought it was dope.” (93:05)

• Colin on HardLore’s future and legacy:

  “…one day, I don’t know when, I’m going to spectacularly log off… But for now, I’m so happy to be with you all. I’m so happy to be with Bo. It is the greatest privilege of both of our lives to be able to do this.” (157:36)

• Closing sentiment:

  “Thank you guys. A million times over. Thank you forever… Bo, I love you.” (158:17)

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Key Segments & Timestamps

• Colin’s introduction/tribute to Bo: 00:00–02:36
• Why record this interview? 03:52–05:20
• Family origins and childhood: 05:34–16:00
• Influential figures & early music: 16:00–21:45
• Early jobs/lessons on money: 21:49–24:49
• Stories of feeling misunderstood & social struggles: 32:13–44:46
• Band beginnings and the importance of local scene: 65:13–71:52
• First feelings of belonging (Cobalt Cafe, the Becks): 77:00–78:57
• Adulthood reality checks and job stories: 98:11–114:59
• Legacy, audience responsibility, and hope for the future: 153:01–157:36
• Final thanks and farewells: 158:03–End

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The Episode in Summary

This episode of HardLore is a deeply candid and often emotional mutual interview, a powerful tribute to Bo Lueders’ warmth, wit, and impact. Through a blend of humorous anecdotes and sobering reflections, listeners experience the full range of Bo and Colin’s shared history—family struggles, creative origins, adolescent loneliness, musical goals, adulthood failures and victories, and the spiritual camaraderie of the hardcore community.
More than a retrospective, it’s a window into what made their bond—and by extension, the podcast—so resonant: vulnerability, humor, self-awareness, and abiding gratitude for everything punk/hardcore gave them. Through stories that oscillate between hilarious, heartfelt, and tragic, Bo’s legacy—as a steadfast friend, bandmate, and voice for those who feel out of place—lives on in the stories and laughter they shared.

Transcript

[Colin Young]

Hello, welcome. It's hard Lore time. I love you, Beau. This is take nine, so please forgive me if I have to make it fast to get through it. But our beloved Beau has passed. This has been the most difficult week I've probably ever experienced. I'm sure his girlfriend, Taylor, Chris James, his mom Wendy, um, all of his friends appreciate the outpouring of love and support more than you'll ever know. All the kind words and the stories you've shared, I've read them all. I'm sorry if I can't respond. Everything really does come in waves. You experience every human emotion at once. But the memory of beautiful is most important. And that memory to all of you should be the kind, gentle, sensitive person you're about to experience over the next two and a half hours. A few months ago, after recording eight all time bangers in a row, we thought, how do we keep this streak going? And that resulted in this idea of, like, what if we interview each other and write up all these. We wrote like 150 questions together and then narrowed it down to these. And some, some of them, we were like, fuck, this is going to be hard to answer. But that's what seemed different and exciting about it. And then we watched it and we're like, oh, my God, what have we done? Once this is out there, it's like, okay, everybody knows all these things about us and maybe they don't need to. So we decided to scrap it temporarily or hold it until the time felt right. But now I watched it back on Friday in a. In a state of like, sheer isolation, of just like, if I'm not productive, I'll explode. And I really just felt like he was in the room.

[Bo]

And

[Colin Young]

it brought me a sense of comfort that I hope it brings you all and that you get to experience this, this different side of Bo and learn all these things that ultimately he did want to share and I did want to share, but just maybe not yet. And it gets dark at times, especially considering now. So, you know, user beware. But it is so. I'm so grateful that this exists now, even just for informational purposes. You know, it brought me comfort now, and I'm gonna watch it again because I just want to hang out with my friend again. So. Enj. Hello, welcome. It's hard Lore time. How you doing, Bo?

[Bo]

I'm doing great. Where are we?

[Colin Young]

We're in a strange alternate dimension of my living room because we're gonna do something very special today. You know, we ask other people questions every week on this show. We get these chronological details, documentations of your favorite artists, entire lives, their entire discographies. We figured we'd do something a little different this week. We're going to interview each other so that when we die, you can reference this on our Wikipedias to tell the full story of just who we are, you know, what we're all about.

[Bo]

We're starting with the Men in the Mirror.

[Colin Young]

Exactly. You know, I'm asking him to change his ways.

[Bo]

Them.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, exactly. So here we go. This is me and Beau interviewing each other crazy style. Just to do it, just to have something out there, just so you can all get to know us a little better.

[Bo]

Because we get the Q and A's. We do the Q and A's and everything through Patreon and all that stuff.

[Colin Young]

And a lot of those at this point are like, when are you gonna have this guy on? When are you gonna have this guy on? When are you gonna have this guy on?

[Bo]

Not really questions that we deliberate over, you know? And that's more what. This is deep.

[Colin Young]

So we put together something that we could both answer and maybe not always be comfortable about, but that's when it's the best. So here we go.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Bo.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin Young]

Where were you born and where did you grow up?

[Bo]

I was born in Arlington Heights.

[Colin Young]

You were born in Arlington Heights, Illinois,

[Bo]

at the arlington heights hospital, November 16, 1987. My mom and dad divorced when I was months old, and then it was just me and mom. We moved all over the great promised land of DuPage County, Illinois. I think I counted once. By the age of 10, we moved nine times kind of a thing. It was rentals, it was lease, 100%. I really feel like I grew up in a town called Bloomingdale. That was when I was, like, a child. And there was a time where I lived in a town home with my mom in the basement, my grandmother upstairs and her mother upstairs. So four generations in one household.

[Colin Young]

You had a great great grandma?

[Bo]

I had a great grandma.

[Colin Young]

Oh, great grandma, yes. You knew her well.

[Bo]

Gigi, we talked about earlier. Gigi. That was Gigi.

[Colin Young]

She was cool.

[Bo]

She was very. She loved me. I was the. I'm the oldest grandkid on my mom's side.

[Colin Young]

Right, you had a great living. Great grandma. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bo]

She outlived my grandmother.

[Colin Young]

Damn. Have.

[Bo]

Did I tell the story about when she passed away and how she was, like, buried?

[Colin Young]

I don't know.

[Bo]

Okay, quick one. But this is a true story. It was around Halloween. It was very creepy. This lady, she had a husband who I never Met. He died before I was born. My great grandfather, he was a doctor. He was a very pretty, well off guy. He was buried and put in a mausoleum. They're Italian, Very, very traditional Italian. So they were. He's buried in mausoleum. And then next to him was the plot for Gigi. Well, my grandmother, Gigi's daughter passed away of cancer when I was like 15, 16. So Gigi gave her the. The plot and then changed her last will and testament to be cremated and to be placed in the. In the mausoleum in the wall with her husband.

[Colin Young]

Right.

[Bo]

So that eventually happened. Gigi passed away. And at her funeral. You know how every family kind of has two sides, right? And mine is. There's the Bowen side, which is my mom's, and all the immediate family. I know. And then the Minidi side, that's the Italian side. The Minidis, they're a little. They're a little crazy. And they got her this urn that was kind of big. Think about a mausoleum. It's a square. And then the caskets concave or whatever. So in that, that right angle they wanted to put. The urn didn't fit. So they had the thing off, the marble was off, and they couldn't fit her in there. And it was. They were kind of like, well, this is what she wanted. So that side of the family, who they were, they made all the arrangements. Everything they had, like, the final say, they said, well, open them up, put her in there. So they pulled my great grandfather out of the wall, who had died in the 80s, opened up the bottom of the casket. I saw his shoes. They put her, like, in between his legs, sealed him up. And that was just like, wow. Everyone was like, that's beautiful. My mom's side of the family, the Bowens, were all like, what? Like, we were freaking out. It was like October 29th. You know, I listened to the misfits the whole way there. So that was mom and Gigi and grandma. They all.

[Colin Young]

They all together at last.

[Bo]

Yeah, together at last. And then eventually moved to Roselle. And Roselle is where I like, cut your teeth. Cut my teeth. Went to high school and everything. And that was Roselle, Illinois. And I moved out of there when I was 18 into the city.

[Colin Young]

How early while you lived there did you realize how close you were to Chicago and how, oh, what a beautiful, thriving city it was?

[Bo]

Yeah. So I eventually, when my dad came back into the picture, after he got clean and everything, and of course found God. Yeah, part of that was hanging out more, which. That's a silver Lining of. Obviously, there's a silver lining to using religion for that reason, in my opinion. And he would take me into the city a lot. My mom didn't like driving. She was. She's a little superstitious. A little stitches and. But my dad, we would go. There's a thing called the Taste of Chicago, which is just a big food fest that would happen at the lakefront, and he would take me down there, and that was some of my earliest memories. We go to Cubs games a lot. It was always just like, oh, all you have to do is get on the Metra train, which is not a subway, it's a commuter train. And it went right through our town, and it goes all over the Chicagoland area. And, yeah, that was. That was very early on. Probably the first show I went into the city for. That was like a show was when I was 13, and it was no effects at the House of Blues. And that was. We took the train downtown.

[Colin Young]

Wow.

[Bo]

Where were you born? Where did you grow up?

[Colin Young]

I was born in Bristol, Connecticut.

[Bo]

That's right. Very old world.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I'm the first Yank in my whole bloodline.

[Bo]

What does that mean?

[Colin Young]

Everybody's Southern except for me.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin Young]

Everybody. Taylor, born in North Carolina.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin Young]

Aaron, my older brother.

[Bo]

Born Tannehill himself.

[Colin Young]

Oh, yeah. Tty my brother Aaron was born. I don't know. Mississippi, I think. My dad, Mississippi. My mom. Lord. All Southern, everybody.

[Bo]

You're the first Northern.

[Colin Young]

I'm the first Yank.

[Bo]

Congratulations.

[Colin Young]

Thank you, man. Feels good. Not an ounce of hate running through my blood. No disrespect to the Southerners. I love you. You're a part of me. I'm from Bristol, Connecticut.

[Bo]

You're like family.

[Colin Young]

You're like family to me. Love them all. Except for a few. A big part of my childhood was there. My family moved to Bristol because ESPN started. He was big technical engineering guy, so he was a tech manager. His career.

[Bo]

That's cool.

[Colin Young]

Which was great. He traveled a lot. It was a very unique job to have. He has a very unique skill set to this day that people still pick his brain about. So he's one of the first kind of OG first wave. ESPN, guys. So ESPN is this new company in 1991. I almost don't want to put the year I was born because the mythos online of me being 83. September 21, 1991. There you go. The big reveal. First, I go to Hubbell Elementary School. That's kindergarten, first grade. Then we moved to West Hartford, Connecticut, for some reason. I think it's because they didn't tell me much during this time. You know, I was very aloof, very strange kid. As I told you about yesterday, that I won't reveal.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin Young]

But I, you know, I was a very odd kid. I stuck to myself. I.

[Bo]

Even though you had two older brothers.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I mean, Taylor's four years older than

[Bo]

me, which is at that age.

[Colin Young]

Get out of my room. Yeah.

[Bo]

It's significant.

[Colin Young]

And Aaron is 11 years older than me, so he's. I don't even know you. You know, I'm partying hard as fuck.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

We moved to West Hartford, Connecticut, when my parents split up. That's when I'm in third grade. So third and fourth grade, I go to a school called Morley Elementary School in West Hartford, Connecticut, and then a school called Whiting Lane Elementary School. Shout out to West Hartford, then we'd live in Hartford. The whole preacher man thing happened. I'm sure we'll get into that later. That's a very true story. Bristol, Connecticut. West Hartford, Connecticut, are where? Bristol. I was born West Hartford. I grew up, moved here when I

[Bo]

was 12, which is you. I think you kind of double digits are. When you're in the new phase of your life.

[Colin Young]

Truly, child, I always say childhood. Connecticut. Yeah. Formative years. California.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I experienced both. Both are a big part of who I am.

[Bo]

Interestingly, my dad, when I was that childhood, worked for the Hyatt company, all the Hyatt regencies in the Chicagoland area, doing AV stuff. Tech guy.

[Colin Young]

There you go.

[Bo]

That's. That's an interesting.

[Colin Young]

Same gig.

[Bo]

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, he would set up all the AV stuff for conferences.

[Colin Young]

That's exactly what he did. So if there was a when in. When you're watching live sports and they talk about the truck, the guys in

[Bo]

the truck, the truck.

[Colin Young]

Everything's happening from these trucks.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin Young]

My dad would set up the truck.

[Bo]

Oh, fast.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Much more involved than what my dad was doing. My dad is a lot of plug and play. But, you know, an interesting similarity where you and I were probably both surrounded by cool tech and like.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Just stuff. And now we are no interest in

[Colin Young]

it at the time.

[Bo]

But now.

[Colin Young]

But the. But the gr. I mean, we'll talk, we'll get into it.

[Bo]

Who had the most influence on you as a kid? Positively or negatively?

[Colin Young]

I would say as a kid, as an adult, all around. The answer is Taylor Young has to be my brother Taylor. I just wanted to be like him. Perfect, you know, musically. He liked cool stuff. You know, we liked all the same movies all the same games. I wanted all his action figures. I took all his action figures. He had all the cool comic books he just had. He had every interest that I want it, you know. Now, do you think never ended.

[Bo]

Do you think that is because you wanted that? Or do you think that's because he was your older brother and he was right there?

[Colin Young]

I think. I think. I think, yeah. I mean, I don't know that I would end it. Had have ended up the same at all had he not been around.

[Bo]

Do you remember something? I know you've talked about bands that you found that he didn't show you. And you were like, was there any hobby you were into that he wasn't? That you were like, this is me. This is my thing.

[Colin Young]

I would say wrestling became much more my thing than his pretty fast.

[Bo]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Colin Young]

He got off the train early, and I was like, this is still going to be my life. Dad and Taylor and Mom. But yeah, I would say overall, without him, the me that is known does not exist.

[Bo]

Yeah. Even the things that. If I'm around the two of you or just around Taylor or just around you, like, whatever the dynamic is, you guys are very similar. Just in sense of humor.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Reasoning the way you analyze.

[Colin Young]

I'm a little more rational, I think. You know, I think there's a lot of time where I got to be like, you can't do that. And I'll be like, yeah, it's. It's a. It's a. He's. He's been. He was my biggest influence and all around. And he didn't want much to do with me until I was 16.

[Bo]

Oh, wow.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bo]

Oh, that's pretty late.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. We weren't particularly close.

[Bo]

It was just like.

[Colin Young]

Until I was pretty good at drums.

[Bo]

He went, yeah.

[Colin Young]

He was like, I could use this now. But at first it was. I learned how to play drums on his kit whenever he wasn't home.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Cause I was like, I better get this shit. I better hit this china.

[Bo]

Now it's step rope.

[Colin Young]

Shit. Straight up.

[Bo]

Sneaking it straight up now. You touched my drumstick.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. So one day he got home and I was pretty good. And he was like, when the fuck did this happen, he scumbag. And how.

[Bo]

And then keep doing that.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. And then pretty much. What about you? Who had the most influence on you?

[Bo]

I'm gonna. I'll break it up into the two of childhood and. And post childhood. It was my dad. I loved my dad. My dad and I. He was like my guy. Because imagine it.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I Saw him once a week.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And for that one week, that one visit after school, he'd pick me up with a pop in the car.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

We'd go to Fuddruckers, dude. We'd go to Blockbuster in the same parking lot.

[Colin Young]

I can't imagine a better day today.

[Bo]

You don't. You know what I'm saying? So we'd go to Fuddruckers, we'd rent a game.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

He. It's funny to explain this. This is. He's in his 30s, maybe late 20s at the time. But he had a roommate in a condo. His name was Rick. He was from Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin, which is right by Green Bay. And that guy worked at a Funko Land, Pre GameStop, Pre EB, Funko Land. So he would always have the new systems. We'd play it. He would like set up the little cars. Remember the. The electric cars? And like he had instruments and that's where that began. He had a stand up, an upright piano in his condo, a Yamaha. Always had guitars around and was into. My mom loved the who and that's it. My dad loved Michael Jackson. My dad loved Led Zeppelin. My dad liked other stuff. And then there would be like. My mom would take a vacation maybe once a summer. And so I'd spend two weeks with my dad and he's gonna ball out. He would buy me toys and all this stuff. And then I also got two Christmases. And we've talked about this before. Mom killed it on Christmas. Dad killed it on Christmas.

[Colin Young]

Interesting.

[Bo]

So I got pretty spoiled. I was definitely the. The. The only child of a do for his family who got the two Christmas thing where people were like lucky. And that was true. But in hindsight it makes me so sad for my mom because then she's the disciplinarian. She's the one being like, no, you can't stay up playing NBA Jam.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. It was the same dynamic.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Where it was the two parent separate households. Had to go to mom's to work, went to dad's to play.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin Young]

Start to resent mom because of it. Love time with dad because you don't

[Bo]

see him often by the time Music and guitar. He got me my first guitar when I was 10. It was a white Fender Strat that I still have. I've talked about this. An ex girlfriend of mine in high school gave it to Over Covid. Contacted me, gave it back to me.

[Colin Young]

Wow.

[Bo]

Still have it.

[Colin Young]

That's cool.

[Bo]

I Learned every Blink 182 song you can imagine on that bad boy that Started to come around, and then skateboarding started to happen around 10. We were living in Roselle when I was 10, and that's when I met the next big influence, which was Chris Mills. Chris Mills is my guy. He's my tailor.

[Colin Young]

He's.

[Bo]

He's a year older than me, a grade older than me. We went to the same middle school and on, and he lived a half a mile from me. And one day we had the same bus. And one day on the bus, he was like, you play guitar? Because he was show and tell. And I had my guitar with me, and I was like, yeah, it's white. It's arctic white squire, you know, Like, I didn't know. He was an older guy asking me, and he was like, oh, you should come over sometime.

[Colin Young]

I play drums.

[Bo]

And that was, like, how that all started.

[Colin Young]

And this is after you'd already beefed him.

[Bo]

So I didn't beef him, but he beefed my friend.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. For mooning him.

[Bo]

Another Chris.

[Colin Young]

Right, right, right. Well documented.

[Bo]

It's well documented, but it's true. Chris Manzara, who's a good guy. Monster Halo player.

[Colin Young]

Wow. Wow.

[Bo]

He was a beast killing spree. Yeah, he was on one. He was the Pistol. But Chris Mills, I. Very much the same as you and Taylor. Whatever he was into, I wanted to be into. And he had an older brother who was showing him everything. So whatever Chris was into, I wanted to be into. I wanted to. He was the only drummer in.

[Colin Young]

In this suburban, and Lord knows we need him.

[Bo]

You know what I mean?

[Colin Young]

One of the most precious resources in the world, truly. It goes diamond, drummer, Emerald.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin Young]

Oil.

[Bo]

Oil, yeah. And his brother had showed him all the bands. Minor Threat and afi, which is a huge one. AFI was. Chris wanted to be Adam from afi, and I wanted to be in a band with Chris. So that was just that. And Adam and Bo, you know, and now Chris and I have been in bands together now for 25 years.

[Colin Young]

That's better than that.

[Bo]

That's it.

[Colin Young]

What did you learn early about money, work, or survival?

[Bo]

Dude. So my first. I know we read ahead a little bit. I know there's a real job thing, which is a different answer than this. So my first job, period, I was 14. I had to get a worker's permit. I worked at a hot dog stand in Roselle called Bogies the Dog. No longer there. Okay, dog. Okay, Snap.

[Colin Young]

Good snap.

[Bo]

Strip mall kind of thing, you know, Vienna. Vienna Beef.

[Colin Young]

Decent, but not much snap.

[Bo]

Not much snap. The owner, I don't remember his name, was not Bogey He. He offered to hire me with this work permit, which I think meant I could work, like, eight hours a week or something. Something hilarious. And he said, I'll pay you cash under the table. My dad was like, that's great, but you have to take half of every dollar, 50 cents out of every dollar, and put it away into savings. Tried to teach me early.

[Colin Young]

Kind of teach you about taxes or early, maybe.

[Bo]

No, it's just saving. It did not stick.

[Colin Young]

Savings sucks.

[Bo]

So. But here's the hilarious thing. This guy paid me 4.25 an hour, okay? So if I worked four hours, I made $17. So that means because of my dad, I pocketed $8.50 for four hours of scrubbing tables and floors and doing the cash wrap.

[Colin Young]

You gotta shoot this guy.

[Bo]

You know what I mean? So I learned that really early on

[Colin Young]

that torch and pitchfork. Well, no, just.

[Bo]

Just because something pays you doesn't mean it's worth your time. Oh, yeah, I learned that really quickly.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So that was something. And I also learned that, like, I. I really quickly was like, well, I'm a kid. I'm 14. I at least got, you know, four or five years left in the house. I don't need to save anything. You know, that was. I was like, I'm gonna eat smart. The electricity's gonna be on.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

But there was other stuff along the way. You know, we were. My mom certainly got child support from my dad, but, you know, she, much like your mom, was, like, figuring her stuff out and working various jobs, and I was a total latchkey kid. I was watching myself after school from, like, fourth. Third or fourth grade. It's a little fuzzy, but I remember having to walk some couch cushion change to town hall and pay the water bill or the electric bill and stuff, you know, and, you know, that's just kind of how it was. But mom absolutely never let me go hungry and always made Christmas dope.

[Colin Young]

So isn't it. And that's kind of where I'm getting with my answer to this. Is that my dad. So my dad traveled a lot for work.

[Bo]

Like, what?

[Colin Young]

Very rarely home.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin Young]

And, like, that's ultimately what ended their relationship.

[Bo]

Because of TV production stuff, he would be gone.

[Colin Young]

He would be in New Zealand for the. For America's cup for three months.

[Bo]

Holy shit.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. So. But I learned very early, I wasn't like Jamie from Jingle all the Way. Like, my dad's always working. He doesn't love me, Taylor. And I knew he's working because he has to. And it was like the drum Set in the garage is there because our dad is working this Metal Gear Solid one that he brings me home from Japan imported because he's working there for this month is because he's working there that month, you know. So like we very. Earned very. Learned very early that there's no resentment towards like our dad busting his ass our whole lives to make sure that we don't starve, you know. And Dad, I hope you don't mind me putting this all out there, but he. Part of that was him not paying taxes for a really long time to just.

[Bo]

He's 1099.

[Colin Young]

Just so his kids and his wife are happy. He was 1099 and he didn't pay for a long time. So our house in Bristol was foreclosed on. And I'm digressing Davey Havoc style. But yeah, in terms of money and work and survival, it was just that like everybody does it and it takes a lot of. It takes all of your time basically. And your free time is valuable. And whenever he did have that valuable free time, it was spent with us. Or if he's really tired and needed to take a tenner, which is a two hour nap very famously in our house, then just like it's because he's busting his ass. So we learned the value of money through how hard he worked.

[Bo]

The literal sweat of his breast.

[Colin Young]

Yes. His. And it like he just got a break, you know. Yeah. He. He's not retired. He retired for a little bit and has a job again. He just. He can't fucking stay away. And our mom has been like in and out of jobs and now teaches music independently. And she's a great music teacher, so.

[Bo]

Piano. Right.

[Colin Young]

All things.

[Bo]

All things.

[Colin Young]

She can teach everything.

[Bo]

That's crazy.

[Colin Young]

She knows fundamentals of everything. Enough to teach it all. But she's like a mean pianist.

[Bo]

Yeah. What's a childhood memory? Maybe from that time period that quietly shapes how you act today. And I focus on that key word is like act.

[Colin Young]

Childhood memory.

[Bo]

Cause you're clever like a fox. You know what I mean?

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

You're very good on your feet. You pivot really well.

[Colin Young]

Childhood memory. My first experience with racism.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin Young]

Was my grandparents, my mom's parents. So we had to. Taylor and I had to go stay with them a few times. The first time that we ever did was when I decided a. I didn't like them, didn't want to go back and didn't agree with them. Taylor and I went to. They took us to Blockbuster. What else are you going to do? You got to keep these kids busy, I think I only went there twice. Once was with Taylor, once was alone. The first day Taylor and I rent Good Burger. I'm a dude, he's the dude. She's a dude.

[Bo]

We're all dudes.

[Colin Young]

Hey, we rent Good Burger, Put it on. It's an American classic. We've seen it 50 times. We saw it in theaters, but we wanted to experience it again. As we did. Our grandma rips it out of the VCR and is like, you're not fucking watching this shit good, Burt. And Taylor and I. I'm. I'm 7, Taylor's 11. And we're like, fuck this lady, man. Fuck her. Fuck what she. Fuck what she thinks. Fuck what she believes. Like, we know that's wrong.

[Bo]

The implication was because they're.

[Colin Young]

Oh, yeah. 100%.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin Young]

And it was like, fuck you.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin Young]

So, like, Keenan rocks. Oh, dude. Keenan and Kel. Come on, dude. All day. So they went to bed and we watched it all night, you know, as we did. That was. I'm sure I had, like, vaguely experienced, you know, witnessed prejudice in my life before that. But that was like, yo, my family member thinks this way. I come, like, I'm a product of this. My mom, as liberal as they come, somehow was like, she made out. Yeah, she made it out. And she's fucking. She's the opposite of that. So, you know, when we told her about that, she was like, fuck that.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin Young]

Like, watch whatever you want in that regard. Yeah. But our end of day is vhs. She burned, I think, because we're watching satanic stuff in the preacher man's apartment. Yeah. Out of pure rebellion. But, yeah, that taught me, like, okay, I'm not. I don't. I'm not that.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin Young]

And I will never be that. And I don't fuck with this lady. It's a good one. And I don't need to know her.

[Bo]

When I. I was. Somehow, my mom really lucked out. I found punk and the straight edge

[Colin Young]

thing really early, dude.

[Bo]

And so I wasn't. You know, I did. I snuck some cigarettes and, like, she kept, like, vodka, like, in the cabinet or wine or whatever.

[Colin Young]

Mom's looking.

[Bo]

Yeah. You know what I mean? And I would sneak that. And, like, I just. I thought it stank. I didn't. I didn't get it, you know, And I. I don't even remember. It was so funny. My mom would, like, chain smoke in the house, and I would, like, smoke when I was like, oh, my God, she's gonna know.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. No, the walls are sweating. Straight up.

[Bo]

But she. She recognized in me really early on, I think, because, like, I was a terrible student, but I wasn't a bad kid. I was never really in trouble. So the. The rule of the house was, like, especially once I got my license, it was like, you do whatever you want. You stay out, sleep over at a friend's house. If the parents are cool with it, you do whatever you want. You're going to school. And if you get in trouble, if you're in jail, I'm not coming to get you. Like, that's. That's you kind of a thing. And I could call her bluff a little bit. She's a. She's a softie. But it gave me a sense of responsibility because there was a point in time where she had three jobs. She had two. She had a eight hour a day job, and then like a side hustle. And then she would, like. For a while, she worked at Dave and Buster's that opened. She worked at. She would bartender, wait tables or whatever.

[Colin Young]

But she developed that trust with you very early on.

[Bo]

It was just a matter of, like, I don't want to put her through anything. She's got enough on her fucking plate. She's trying to pay for this house that she got us, you know, in Roselle.

[Colin Young]

And.

[Bo]

And I just. The memory that made it all solidify was. I think I've told this story before, where we bought the Airsoft gun.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And I got arrested. And I think the cops were trying to scare me and my one friend Chris, a different Chris, and, like, took us and mug shot us, fingerprinted us, like, the whole thing, really? I don't think they booked us.

[Colin Young]

Oh, that's cool.

[Bo]

But they think they were trying to kind of try to scare us. Right. And called my mom.

[Colin Young]

So you don't have a record.

[Bo]

Correct. I was also a minor, so it wouldn't have mattered.

[Colin Young]

Okay.

[Bo]

But called my mom. My one phone call, and I was like, mom. And like, explain to her what happened. And she was like, you better find a ride home kind of a thing. Now, ironically, Roselle is. I walked home. It was very small town. It was no. No problem. Probably two miles and got home. And she was like, what happened? And I explained, and she was like, oh, what are you doing tonight? You know, she. She believed me. She trusted me. And it's because I. I was a pretty reasonable kid. It just kind of instilled in me the sense of like, hey, if I'm like, chill. Yeah. And, like, nice. Yeah, I'll probably be all right when it comes to, like, interpersonal stuff. And I think I went out and saw Anchorman that night.

[Colin Young]

I believe that was the same night.

[Bo]

I think so. One of those kinds of movies, maybe super bad, but I think Anchorman.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Our dad was very much the same way, where it was very much like a. You get one. Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah, right.

[Colin Young]

Get one. I stole from the cvs. I got one. You know, dad picked me up and

[Bo]

was like, don't do that again.

[Colin Young]

It was like, I get it, man.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Mrs. Fields. Cookies are good.

[Bo]

Dry.

[Colin Young]

I gave him some. I felt bad about it.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I was like, dad, you want this cookie? He had no idea he was eating stolen goods, but didn't go to jail or anything like that. But he was the same way with the trust. Where he would see the Cobalt, you know, this seedy, crazy, dark place, and be like, I'll pick you up in three hours. Here's 30 bucks. Get three shirts. Best day of my life. Best days of my life.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

You know, and he just knew very on. He was like, yo, my kids are straight edge.

[Bo]

I'm gonna go home.

[Colin Young]

I'm gonna get high as book and not worry.

[Bo]

By the time that wears off, I'll pick them up.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. There's been moments late in life where he's like. He hid weed from us our whole lives, which I really respect. Like, every time that Taylor and I went into his office, it would be like a. Every time. He still does it out of sheer instinct. Yeah, he still does. It's hilarious. But he'd be like, all right, you going Cobalt tonight? Anything going on? Or he would take us to Six Flags and sit outside and smoke weed the whole time. But there was just that trust there. Very on. It's very important. Yeah. What kind of kid were you socially?

[Bo]

I didn't. I was an only child of two parents who were the black sheep of their families. My dad was a alcoholic drug addict. He kind of got ostracized. He eventually, obviously, made his way back in. But, like, at that time, he was kind of on the outs and probably breaking his back to make childcare payments, child support. And then my mom, the same thing. She was kind of the black sheep in a weird way. Had an odd relationship with her. My aunts and uncles, they both have. I have tons of aunts and uncles. Didn't really hang out with cousins. Didn't. You know. So it was very much. It was just me and very much just me and my mom. So when she was gone, I would wander and find kids, and sometimes that was skateboarding Isn't it incredible? It's bizarre.

[Colin Young]

Dude, you on a bike in town.

[Bo]

There's gotta be a kid.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, I gotta play kid. I'm gonna go play with somebody.

[Bo]

I'm gonna find somebody to play with. Yeah, sometimes neighbors. I did have a neighbor right next door who was really into wcw. NWO versus NWO Revenge.

[Colin Young]

I'll do it.

[Bo]

Good game. So we'd play that a lot. They were into Pokemon, all the obvious stuff. Steven, big Pokemon guy. And. And so that was cool. But eventually I, you know, I had to make my own friends. And I do like to think of it, or obviously, make your own friends, but you make your own family in a way. And like I said, I've been really close with Chris for a really long time. James, just a little bit less, you know. And those are my brothers. And that is how I have to. How I had to kind of do that. But, man, I. I remember days after school where I would like, okay, all right, who can I call? Who can I go? Because my house sucks, dude. I didn't like being at home alone. I was scared.

[Colin Young]

You were the scared kid.

[Bo]

I was afraid of things. I didn't like being alone. I didn't like storms and, like, the dark. Yeah, I was scared of stuff. So I would. I would call and kind of go down my list and call the house numbers and see, like, hey, you want to hang out?

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And I, you know, it's so funny. There's one guy I've never really talked about, Brian Amadeo. He had a mom from Japan and a dad from Italy. Cool.

[Colin Young]

Cool ass guy.

[Bo]

That Brian was awesome. He and I were really, really good friends for a long time. And then in high school, we just kind of naturally. And he had all the video game systems and stuff. He lived right by Chris, too. And I would just go over all the time. And I remember calling him one time, like, hey, you want to play? He'd be like, yeah, we can hang out. And it was like, yeah, yeah, we can hang out. And that was, you know, probably fifth grade, sixth grade. And that's just kind of who I was. I was. I was really desperate for approval and to be accepted. And also at that time, we had moved from Bloomingdale to Roselle. So I was the new kid. Fifth grade, fifth grade.

[Colin Young]

Was that cool or were you.

[Bo]

It was kind of cool. It was kind of like.

[Colin Young]

Like, were you cool? The mysterious new kid.

[Bo]

I was. I was. The. The. The two cool kids were Brian and this guy Keith. And. And it was so funny, dude. It's so funny to think about it. We were like Captain Planet or something. We were very, very. We did skits together. Jackass was around, you know, it was all starting to become a thing. And. And we were really tight and we were. Everything was really cool and I was just. I wanted to be liked. I wanted to be accepted. I wanted friends because I was lonely, you know? And that was very much that. If you draw that to where I am today, it makes total sense.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Now I have friends all over the country.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, sure.

[Bo]

You know what I mean about you? What were you like, you little weirdo?

[Colin Young]

I was a little weirdo. Yeah. I would say until I was 15, 14 or 15. I was Taylor's brother, you know, where, like, he had this incredible group of friends and all these bands so early. And I was always like, God, he's so cool.

[Bo]

Like bands he was listening to or he was in. Wow.

[Colin Young]

He was in bands very young.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

When. When I was a, like, little kid. And I thought that was so cool. And I had kids around the neighborhood. Mike Rinsfelder, Shane Richardson, Eitan Shakar, Sammy the Homie, Sammy. I didn't really. I would say Shane Richardson was my first best friend.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin Young]

And we had a pretty big falling out. His brother Ray, incredible skateboarder, absolute fucking psycho.

[Bo]

Oh.

[Colin Young]

Rubbed boogers on his walls. It was crazy.

[Bo]

His own.

[Colin Young]

Oh, yeah. Like later in, like, kind of like teens, just fucking. I remember a vivid memory of being in his room and seeing him do that and being like, I gotta go.

[Bo]

I gotta get out of here.

[Colin Young]

But as a kid, socially, I was pretty shy. I was a performer, you know, I wanted to perform.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I wanted to act. I wanted to perform all around. I did musical theater growing up.

[Bo]

Same.

[Colin Young]

But I was still shy and very insecure and very self conscious. I played with action figures for a long time. Yeah, a long time.

[Bo]

How long?

[Colin Young]

Mid teens.

[Bo]

Oh, that's not. I don't think that's that crazy. I get it. But like.

[Colin Young]

Like a long time.

[Bo]

So. So. But figure this, though. My mid teens are 2000.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, brother. I'm spin kicking and then going home and. Oh, and writing a screenplay, you know, with. With the X Men. I don't think that that's a long time.

[Bo]

I get it. I get it.

[Colin Young]

I just had a fascinating. I was fascinated by them. I love the stories, I love the worlds. I love toys. To this day, I got a lot of them. Socially, I didn't have a lot of friends in Connecticut.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin Young]

Like, kids in school didn't really like me. I was a weird kid.

[Bo]

Really? Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I wore, you know, black and. But looking back, it's me in like Yoda shirts. But I'm like the freak. So when we moved to California, I made up this lie that I. That we were moving to California Begun. Because I got cast as Krillin in the Dragon Ball Z movie. And that dude that even is cracking up, that changed my life.

[Bo]

Krillin.

[Colin Young]

Krillin. I was Krillin.

[Bo]

Distracted.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. So. And dude. And like you, there was an IMDb. Wow. So. But. But like, it started getting around the news that a Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball Evolution, that movie was getting made. And you were like, I had no idea it was complete coincidence. So I'm telling everybody I'm Krillin in Dragon Ball Evolution. And like, I know. I'm like, that ain't even Dragon Ball Z. They don't know that. Like, Krillin's probably not in that story yet. But I'm like, yeah, I'm Krillin. And then everybody starts being so cool to me and they're like. Because I had done Christmas Carol locally at the Hartford Stage, which is Broadway in Hartford, legit. Like, the biggest.

[Bo]

What did you play?

[Colin Young]

The first year, I was the Turkey Boy, which. The Turkey Boy. And the Christmas Carol is in the end when Scrooge turns around.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And he flips that coin and he tells the kid, go get me a turkey. A Christmas turkey. I was the boy who was like,

[Bo]

yes, My way, sir.

[Colin Young]

And I had to catch his coin. And I was one of the, like, the street urchins singing the songs and stuff. Next year, I was Peter Cratchit, who is Tiny Tim's older brother.

[Bo]

Not bad.

[Colin Young]

Brutal role, really, because the Ghost of Christmas Future stuff, I'm grieving him and I have to read. I have to like, cry in a British accent and read this Bible because thou hast made the Lord. I remember that vividly. So I've been like, acting a lot. I was. I played. I was the post beast. Beast in Beauty and the Beast. So, like, after he becomes a guy, hell yeah.

[Bo]

Not bad.

[Colin Young]

So I was like, damn, you think I'm handsome.

[Bo]

Cool. Yeah, right?

[Colin Young]

And then I was. And then when I moved here. Oh, skipping ahead a little bit. So I'm Krillin to everybody. And then. And dude, everybody's like, colin, we're miss you so much. I'm like, for real? That's awesome, man. They're never gonna know I'm lying. They're gonna know I'm lying once the movie comes out. But It's Hollywood, baby. You know, some things happen. So it's crazy that Night Patrol happens and I'm in this movie. Cause I've been lying my whole life. You know where it was like. That was like the first big lie I ever told. I feel like, okay, I loved lying.

[Bo]

I told some fibs, some lies. For sure.

[Colin Young]

There was a few people.

[Bo]

New kid at the school, dude.

[Colin Young]

And that's the thing. So I moved here.

[Bo]

Yeah,

[Colin Young]

it's a crazy culture shock. West Hartford, Connecticut, white as snow. Sure moved here. And it's like, I'm the white. I'm the only like one of three white kids in my whole school.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin Young]

So my mom walks me to class my first day in seventh grade, you know. Yeah, seventh grade's a little late.

[Bo]

It's a little late.

[Colin Young]

And my shirt's tucked in. It's a uniform because of gangs in Van Nuys. So my mom walks me to my first class and I can tell everybody's like, this kid's a fucking nerd.

[Bo]

Did you have a bald head?

[Colin Young]

No, dude. Like mid length face cover hair? Yeah. I mean, were you tall? No, no, no.

[Bo]

You were still short.

[Colin Young]

I was very. I was 5. 5 foot until halfway through ninth grade.

[Bo]

Oh, okay.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

High school.

[Colin Young]

So I'm a little guy. I'm a believable crone. I would have. Absolutely. Smart.

[Bo]

You're more of a yamcha these days.

[Colin Young]

100% sure. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, whatever. Vegeta's the goal.

[Bo]

Always. Always. We'll get there.

[Colin Young]

We're working on that.

[Bo]

We'll go hang out.

[Colin Young]

That's fair. I mean, we're all future trunks. Is really. Yeah, that's if we're being real here. Second day, I'm like, fuck that. I see people wearing jackets that aren't the uniform. So I'm like, oh, you can wear jackets. Sepultura Windbreaker.

[Bo]

No shit.

[Colin Young]

Day two.

[Bo]

So you were already. Taylor had already.

[Colin Young]

Oh, I was. I liked cool shit very early.

[Bo]

That's impressive.

[Colin Young]

I love Sick of It All, Biohazards and Pantera in third, fourth, fifth grade.

[Bo]

Seventh grade. I was like, have you heard of Led Zepto? Like that.

[Colin Young]

I mean, dude, that's. But at the same time, it was like, yo, Lincoln Park.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Linkin park and Sick of It All. Maybe the two best bands ever. Like, that was my.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin Young]

I was very confused.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Sepultura Windbreaker. Day two changed and I had seen the new guy. The movie was out. So I learned a lot from that on. What to do? Intimidate people. Day. Day Two. So I'm telling people I'm good at karate. The Krilin thing's gone, though.

[Bo]

Oh, okay.

[Colin Young]

But I'm like, yeah, I'll fuck you up. You know what's up? And they're like, damn, this white boy's crazy.

[Bo]

Okay, okay.

[Colin Young]

What was expected of you growing up?

[Bo]

My mom, my whole life was like, you're going to college. I don't care what you're doing, you're going to college. So figure that out. You know what I mean? It was very much expected. Like I said before, I wasn't a bad kid. I was a bad student.

[Colin Young]

Junior in front of us, a lot in common. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Bo]

Junior, senior year of high school, I did not do homework outside of school. Any work, including projects and like, book reports and like the highlighting and annotating. I would do that in school. I'd do that during class, or I would if I had a study hall goaded. Study hall's pretty sick.

[Colin Young]

I never had one.

[Bo]

Study hall's pretty dope.

[Colin Young]

I took film instead. And then my film teacher married my mom. Shout out. Kevin the homie. Yeah.

[Bo]

And anyway, so it was. I was a terrible student. I did not. I literally think I had like a two point something gpa. Very, very bad. So I didn't get into any schools, obviously not a one. So I ended up going to college to DuPage, which is a community college. But Chris, the great example, started at College of DuPage, now has his masters.

[Colin Young]

He's the fucking.

[Bo]

He's. He's a whiz kid.

[Colin Young]

He was kissed on the forehead by Jesus Christ.

[Bo]

My mom would. Would eventually kind of, you know, get a fresh start with her life and move to Texas. She's now a paralegal. She works. She came back to Chicago. She works with the city of Chicago. All of that is all good. But it was a definite, like, hey, you're doing this. And the deal was, if you go to community college for a couple years, we'll cover everything. So even when you transfer, we can cover all of it. Not even half of that happened. That sucked. But I knew. I remember sitting in an Algebra 2 class, being like, I can't wait for this tour that's in two weeks. Probably the first Harm's Way tour.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And then being like, why would I come back?

[Colin Young]

Why would I come back?

[Bo]

I'm not coming back. I hate this. This is all the kids from high school.

[Colin Young]

What is Algebra II gonna do for me?

[Bo]

Literally nothing.

[Colin Young]

Literally nothing. You're not gonna have a calculator in Your pocket.

[Bo]

So from mom, that's what was expected. It did not from dad. The big division in our life was of course, religion, Bush era, gay marriage, abortion. All the hot topics that you would expect.

[Colin Young]

Anything that makes a punk. Yeah, a punk.

[Bo]

He disagreed with particularly religion. He's a very devout Christian, especially at that time. He's chilled out like you do. But at that time it was serious and there were arguments where I was ran out of the house kind of thing. And it was. It sucked. So what was expected to be of my dad was to be a good little Christian. And I did. He went to the largest church in North America. It's called Willow Creek Community Church. Now Joel Osteen's is bigger. Right. But at the time in Barrington, Illinois was Willow Creek. It was a massive 14,000 person auditorium type church. Two basketball courts, Starbucks off in the church kind of a thing. The head pastor had some. Some CP stuff.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Of course, gone shocker.

[Colin Young]

And the church remains the same.

[Bo]

But I would go there and interestingly, the one. The silver lining of that is I worked in the production booth. I did audio, I ran the board,

[Colin Young]

learned a couple two trigic.

[Bo]

I ran the board for the. The band that would play and then they would do skits with like labs and wireless mics and stuff.

[Colin Young]

Stuff.

[Bo]

And I learned a little bit about lighting. I learned about running an audio board and setting up and routing and snakes and all, you know. Exactly. So that was cool. But the two expectations my parents really laid on me, I did not fulfill.

[Colin Young]

Okay.

[Bo]

Yeah. What about you?

[Colin Young]

Okay. Well, mom. Mom really would have. Would have really liked that I go to college.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And I think my. There was a little part of my dad that believed. Cause his dad was a surgeon, a military surgeon. So he moved around constantly until he split. He went to California, Hippy, dippy, grandpa. My dad.

[Bo]

Your dad.

[Colin Young]

Grandpa was military surgeon and then regular surgeon till the end. He just died last year. So I think there was a little part of me that was like, my dad had such a contentious relationship with his dad that he spent his whole life doing the opposite of what he did. Where he's like, I'm not gonna have my kids feel the way I do about him. So my dad was a very good listener and a very attentive person. Taylor is in bands. Taylor's touring with crematorium when he's 17 years old.

[Bo]

Crazy, you know? Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And I'm younger than that, thinking like, my brother's already doing this thing and I'm like, what am I gonna do in college? You Know, first, I want to be an actor. All through middle school, same. And I had my drama teacher in middle school, Lacy Stanley. Ruined every aspiration I had for her.

[Bo]

Oh, perfect.

[Colin Young]

Like, deeply insecure, unfulfilled person who projected that onto her students, you know, Loser. Classic.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, classic.

[Colin Young]

Messaged me on Facebook years later, apologizing with a different name. And it was like I ignored it because I was like, I don't know who the fuck this is. And then she said something like, I understand if you don't want to talk to me. It's like, yo, you're a grown woman. When I was a child. Get over yourself. You deserve nothing from me, and you will get nothing from me. My mom would have liked me to go to college, but I was the like you, the worst student imaginable.

[Bo]

Not doing it.

[Colin Young]

There's no way I'm doing homework. So I was the opposite. Where 9th and 10th grade, I flunked everything. Junior, senior year was like, I have to graduate high school otherwise, so that I can go to Europe next year

[Bo]

or I'm stuck here. Totally.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. So I did that. Junior, junior and senior year, I locked the fuck in.

[Bo]

Damn.

[Colin Young]

Found out I got the B in English that I needed to graduate as I was graduating. Marianne who the retired, like, the office, the head of the office, the office administrator, basically my hero.

[Bo]

She fluffs some of them she put

[Colin Young]

with honors on my diploma. I did not have a single goddamn honor. I have honor. Not there, you know? So my mom expected and hoped for college and hoped for me a better. For me to be a better student. My dad was like, my kids are musicians. This is college. You know? And, like, how right he was.

[Bo]

It is.

[Colin Young]

This is what we get to do now, you know? And it's all through that trust that he had of that, like, those shitty tours and the good tours and the good shows and the bad shows and everything I did from 17 when I graduated high school to pre Covid and now is. Is, like, really shaped who I am my whole life. And so the. The. The expectation that my dad. The realistic expectation that my dad had of by listening and observing, the passion that we had for hardcore music was. Was like the. The created the goal of, like, all right, I'm gonna do it. My dad thinks I really can do it. My brother's already doing it.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin Young]

And then eventually my brother wants to do it with me. That's crazy. So when. When we'll get to. We'll get there. I imagine we'll get there in a second. Yeah, there's A band that my brother and I start together. Yeah. That. Then the wheels start turning. Yes. And then. Yeah, then it's non stop.

[Bo]

When did you first feel misunderstood?

[Colin Young]

Very early.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Very, very early. Oh, you know, I was the smelly kid. Oh. Early in elementary school. Oh, no. Yeah. I was a bather. I wasn't a shower kid. Yeah.

[Bo]

And you don't get real clean with baths.

[Colin Young]

You don't get very clean. You have fun.

[Bo]

You have fun. Feels great.

[Colin Young]

Hell of a time.

[Bo]

I loved baths. But my mom would make me turn on the shower to end it.

[Colin Young]

No. Yeah, my mom. My parents. My dad was working, my mom was. I don't know. So I think. I think when Elizabeth Finer pointed out that I was the smelly kid in class one day, that was when. And you know, Elizabeth, I don't blame you. I needed to hear that because it really that informed. Like if I smell something on me now.

[Bo]

Oh.

[Colin Young]

Oh, Eliz. I think about Elizabeth Finer Totally 30 years later.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I'm thinking about one person. Like, damn. Like Elizabeth Fire was right. You know.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin Young]

I would say that was the first time where I was like a. I don't think people like me or respect me around here. I'm so young.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. And. And I need to change. So that night I was like, mom, I'm learning how to shower. Like, leave me alone. I'm not. I don't take baths anymore. Okay. So I don't want that. I don't want the fish shaped soap anymore. I need the real. I need a bar, a dial. And I need to get clean. I need to clean up my act.

[Bo]

Dry my skin.

[Colin Young]

Exactly. Yeah. No. 100%. That was. I was not understood. And really all throughout elementary school and middle school, I would think were I was very different. Until all the things that made me different became cool. And that would happen in seventh grade. How about you?

[Bo]

The first thing that comes to mind was I lied a little bit earlier about the Led Zeppelin thing in seventh grade. Before that, the first band was Blink 182.

[Colin Young]

Okay.

[Bo]

That was my first. Like, I can't believe this. The next thing was Kid Rock. I think that's even out of order chronologically. I think Enema came out after Devil Without a Cause. I could be wrong.

[Colin Young]

You think? Could rock. Kid Rock was the first thing you loved.

[Bo]

No, no. I think I found him out of order is what I'm saying. Like, I think I was already into Blink because I Remember Enema was fifth grade.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. 98 Bawitzaba went platinum in our household. I couldn't Taylor and I were like, this is the hardest music ever.

[Bo]

I couldn't believe it. Right? So I was obsessed with that. In sixth grade, I had very, like, the haircut I had recently, like, hair parted down the middle, down to midlength. Baggy clothes. Skateboard, you know, World Industries Independent. Zero. Like skate stuff. I didn't really skate. I skated a little. I didn't know. I wanted to be cky. I wanted to be Jackass. Who didn't, you know? Oh, yeah. At a dance. 6th grade dance. DJs taking requests.

[Colin Young]

I love this one.

[Bo]

I requested Ba Ba. I'm the only one. I mean, the whole time. It's two hops this time, you know, the whole time. And it's every time we turn.

[Colin Young]

I can't banger on one of the greatest songs ever written.

[Bo]

Anger and stuff like that. Eiffel65, you know what I mean? Like. Like really, like early Y2K shit.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bo]

And I say, hey, man, you got Kid Rock on there. And he had. Bob was the only one he had. Maybe cowboy, but Bob would have.

[Colin Young]

Bob was the hit.

[Bo]

It came on and I didn't even look. When it kicked in. I started headbanging. Full body.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Phil on Selmo. Full in half. Headbang, long hair. And I'm probably wearing some kind of silly shirt.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Like. Like black shirt with, like, red necktie.

[Bo]

No. You know, short sleeve. No, it was like. It would be like. And one, like, tight.

[Colin Young]

Oh, dope.

[Bo]

Do you know what I mean?

[Colin Young]

To the dance.

[Bo]

To the dance. Because no one wore, like, it was middle school.

[Colin Young]

Oh. We were kind of formal.

[Bo]

We were not. This was like a. Like, not. It wasn't homecoming. It was like the fall dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember stopping and, like, starting to sing around and looking, and everyone was just looking at me. Like, the whole gymnasium of.

[Colin Young]

Did they think it Was cool? No.

[Bo]

6th through 7 through 8th graders in my middle school were just like. You know that meme where it's all the girls like, yeah, that you weren't.

[Colin Young]

So nobody was like, gopo.

[Bo]

A couple of dudes came up to me and hit me on the shoulder. Like, all right, man, enough, buddy. You know what I mean? And that hurt.

[Colin Young]

Was that your first bang over?

[Bo]

I don't remember. I don't think so.

[Colin Young]

Dude. Do you remember your first bang over? Because mine was something like that where at an assembly, they, like. Like. Like at a fucking Dare assembly or something. Yeah, they played like, metal. And I'm like. Me and my friends are like, yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And we start banging hard as fuck in our chairs and I can't pick my head up out after. And I'm walking like this the rest of the. And they're like holding me up cuz I'm like. And I'm sure I'm exaggerating, but I remember that feeling of being like, oh, dude, you can like headbang yourself into like too hard.

[Bo]

I. Yes, I do remember the first one. A friend of mine from my old. From Bloomingdale. From the old school. Old school. Had a birthday party, had sleepover.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And had like 10 kids over. We played 007 Goldeneye Horse.

[Colin Young]

The greatest multiplayer. The greatest split screen multiplayer experience of all time, dude.

[Bo]

And going back to when my dad worked at the Hyatt, he hooked up my N64 to two TVs and then covered the other person's point of view because he was like, you know where I am. This isn't fair.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. What do people call that?

[Bo]

Screen peeking.

[Colin Young]

Something like that.

[Bo]

Something peaking.

[Colin Young]

But screen check. Screen check. You're screen checking.

[Bo]

But little did he know. I knew the spawn points, Dad. I knew the order. You want to go Archives Pistols only License to Kill. With me.

[Colin Young]

You're. Yeah.

[Bo]

So I still.

[Colin Young]

Unless you're Odd Job and you have that height advantage.

[Bo]

I got him. Don't worry about it. We would also play Ken Griffey Jr. Major League Baseball. Dude. I beat him like 34 to 0.

[Colin Young]

Dude. It's so. Adults are so pathetic. But what's crazy is I think I could smoke most kids at anything.

[Bo]

I want to start playing.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Smash Bros. Melee. Smash Brawl's great. Melee. It's tough for the GameCube.

[Colin Young]

That's the one. You can be cracked, dude. Like Vayne has all collectively cracked it.

[Bo]

I know, but I want to play them. Like I. I really feel. Anyway, yeah. The bang over. My friend had a sleepover. His older sister snuck him a Budweiser. We all had a sip of that.

[Colin Young]

What'd you think?

[Bo]

Stank.

[Colin Young]

Disgusting. Stanky, right?

[Bo]

Yeah. I didn't get it. I was. I was legitimately probably 10. But a little song called Faith, a cover by Limp Bizkit had come out. Dude, they put that on and we beat the. Out of each other. There's like 10 kids in a little kid's bedroom and we had like a little mosh pit. And I remember just like, oh yeah, you know, I remember that. But yeah, that was the first time I felt truly like, oh, this thing I'm into. No one is actually into. Maybe that makes me not Cool.

[Colin Young]

And even though it like that, that album sold millions of copies.

[Bo]

Devil Without a Cause, he's going platinum.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I brought Linkin park into show and tell very early and that they were appalled.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin Young]

And that's. That's pop music now, you know. Weird.

[Bo]

That's odd.

[Colin Young]

I know.

[Bo]

Weird world.

[Colin Young]

What's something from your childhood that you still haven't fully shaken?

[Bo]

Have I talked about time traveling in this on Hard Lore before?

[Colin Young]

I don't know.

[Bo]

There's a phenomena that happens where people think they time travel. I have time traveled three times in my life. And I don't mean I went back in time. I don't mean I went. I lose time. Oh, okay.

[Colin Young]

Oh.

[Bo]

People think that this means you were abducted.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, right.

[Bo]

It connects into all of this. I have not shaken this because you know me. You know I'm a skeptic. I cannot explain at least these two instances. One, I'll make it quick. One, it was when I was working at Bogeys. That first job I had, I typically started at like 3pm because I could work like two hours a day. So it was like. Or five, you know, like work. The dinner rush. My mom would leave me some money every day. I would rent a video game. I would wake up the next day, decide do I want to keep this game for with tomorrow's money or do I want to go and get another one. I was playing some King Arthur game, camelot game for PlayStation 2. That was sick. And I woke up. And I woke up. I remember it being kind of late, probably around noon. Like late in the day for like a kid to be waking up. But my mom had already been at work. And I went and sat in front of the PlayStation and I, like, looked down at the controller and I looked up and I looked at the clock and it was 5:15.

[Colin Young]

And it's just not possible.

[Bo]

I don't know. I don't think I would have slept that long. I was 14. I got to work. I got in trouble for being late. On the way to work, I found a little bird that had been caught in a bunch of fishing line. It was hanging in a tree, and I used my house keys to free it because I had to walk to work. And I just heard this, like, chirping. He didn't believe that it was true. I had little scratches all over my hands. I don't know what happened. I truly lost that time.

[Colin Young]

That happened to you two more times. Once was with harm's way. Right?

[Bo]

Once. No, maybe. But the other really notable time was second period. Mrs. Pierce, the legend, Earth and Space class, junior year. I would go into her class. She knew home life wasn't great. I would go into her class, put my head down, sleep the whole period. She never bothered me. She was a fucking lifesaver. Because second period, third period, that's when you would get tired. You know what I mean? Everything, kind of. And the way my thing would go is I would go into class, that class, and then I would go see my girlfriend at the time who had my book for the next class. I would keep it in her locker because mine was on the other side of school. What would happen was I'd have my head down, the bell would ring. I would immediately get up and just, like, I had the backmost by the door, desk. So I'd be gone. That happened. Go to my girlfriend's locker. She doesn't show. What the. I go to my next class, Mr. Roth's class, and he goes, oh, you're early. Looters. I look at the clock, it's time for second period. I go to second period and I go and sit down at the desk. And Mrs. Pierce is like, hey, Bo. I put my head down. The whole thing repeats only the next time my girlfriend was there. Truly, those two things I know.

[Colin Young]

Like Nightmare on Elm Street.

[Bo]

I know it's not necessarily what the question meant, but this is this.

[Colin Young]

Were you in a boiler room while you were asleep?

[Bo]

No. Dude. Dude. I also remember a dream when I was a little boy, 4, young. First apartment I can remember living in where I popped out of the wall. And I woke up sitting up on my bed. I was in a tunnel system, kind of like sonic. Just, like, flew out of the wall. Very scary. What? Have you not shaken Colin?

[Colin Young]

Someone very close to me stole something from me.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin Young]

Yeah. And how old were you? Old enough to know about it and be hurt by it.

[Bo]

What do they take?

[Colin Young]

I'd rather not say. You know, I'd rather just. They know who they are and how it felt, you know?

[Bo]

Did you confront them about it?

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Did you get it back? Not really. Okay. It's complicated.

[Bo]

Sure.

[Colin Young]

And it's just like, now. I'm good. Yeah.

[Bo]

For show. You called it. We were coming up to it. Were you in a band before being in a band with Taylor, or was

[Colin Young]

that your first band? Yeah, I had a solo project that was called Death Valley Driver.

[Bo]

That's fucking awesome.

[Colin Young]

Isn't that awesome?

[Bo]

It's ambitious.

[Colin Young]

We had one song. We. Yeah, no, it became. I wrote the song, but then this kid Brent, who was in These two, my first two bands kind of coincide at the same time.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin Young]

Death Valley Driver was the first song I ever wrote. The song was called Death Valley Driver.

[Bo]

I can see the logo.

[Colin Young]

It was sick. Dvd. Yeah, it was sick. It's awesome. There was the one song. It was called Death Valley Driver. It was eponymous. Buried In Silence was my other kind of first band. Metalcore vibes. I didn't. I didn't really like metalcore. I loved. I loved Crematorium because Taylor was in Crematorium.

[Bo]

But do you know why? Metalcore is always like one of the first things? Because a. It was obviously popular at the time. It's easy to write.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I was the singer.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Ah. So I was just stealing lyrics from people. And I would. I would do noise. I was kind of. I was very early kind of torture vibes where I was just making sounds and knew what I wanted to interpret to people. Those were my first two bands. Buried In Silence was the first show I ever played, you know. Yeah. Where it was like, oh, I'm the singer for a band. I'm playing a show and people are watching just because they're here. And that's something to do. That was very cool. The band that I look at as my first real band is Ruckus.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Taylor and I doing Ruckus Taylor. Ruckus is when Taylor accepts me as like a peer, you know. Wow. Cause he was in Fight Everyone at the time, which I loved. And I would join Fight Everyone as like auxiliary member. As just like the kid who could. He was available, you know. Nobody particularly wanted me in the bullpen. I wasn't particularly good. Ruckus is where Taylor's like, not only am I starting this band to start it with you, but like, what do you. Let's write this stuff. He wrote the first demo. We did like five demos. If you have any of these, I would love to hear them again. Cuz they're sick.

[Bo]

They're. They're not on YouTube.

[Colin Young]

They're not on YouTube. There's. There's all the stuff pre LP and pre. The split does not exist. And it's. It holds up. Like I'm telling you, it's straight up sick. And like a lot of that stuff Taylor was writing. It sounds like marauder. I'm 15.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

You know. Yeah. I know who I am very early.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And it's because Taylor's told me who I am very early. And I'm still playing with action figures. Ruckus was so special to me and it felt so real. Where I was doodling in my class. I would be making flyers, dude.

[Bo]

Yeah. I would do this.

[Colin Young]

Ruckus. Earth crisis, 25 delights. Oh, you were shouting around.

[Bo]

You were fantasy booking.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, it was fantasy booking. Europe tour 2008, you know, wow. Just like all I ever wanted was like. I was like, ruckus is my job. Ruckus is gonna be my job. Even if it makes no money. I'm gonna. It's my passion. It's. It's gonna be the last band I ever do. It's a great band name, right? It was sick, dude.

[Bo]

It's a great band.

[Colin Young]

It was sick. The band was awesome. I'm still. The LP is not great. The LP was much like five other Venoms. Supposed to be pre production. Taylor fucked me, man. Taylor. You know what she did? I was doing the same fill in every song because I was like, I'll do it.

[Bo]

Placeholder. Yeah, but.

[Colin Young]

Like the. The. But by the time the LP came out, Twitching Tongues was in full swing. But anyway, first band to me, my first real band is Ruckus. What about you?

[Bo]

A similar thing before Double Cross, which was Mining Chris's first band, which were like, we. We pressed a 7 inch, we put out music. We weren't a cover band, you know, that's the first one. But before that, the band was called Kick Me Brutal. And it was all covers. And it was mostly blink some 41 lit.

[Colin Young]

I was robbed of this experience, like the COVID thing.

[Bo]

And like, Chris didn't want to do it, but Chris did play with Kick Me at a water park.

[Colin Young]

That's awesome.

[Bo]

We got booked at a water park where there was like the beach entrance. Right. Where it's like, gradual.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

We played on the beach and people were in the water watching us in the middle of summer. And I was singing and playing guitar.

[Colin Young]

Dude, that's awesome.

[Bo]

For all the songs. And it was this other guy, Al,

[Colin Young]

the guy who bought bitcoin, the one that said you're. That you said broke your arm when you lied Collarbone.

[Bo]

Yes, sir.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, your collarbone.

[Bo]

Same guy. Same guy, my friend.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

He also had bitcoin really early on and, like bought pizzas with it. Whole bitcoins.

[Colin Young]

How's he doing now?

[Bo]

He's doing. He's fine. He's very smart guy.

[Colin Young]

He kept one or two.

[Bo]

I don't know. But he. He PhD kind of guy. So that. That happened and Chris kind of reluctantly did it because I think he knew. He was like, we'll get. We'll get another guy to play bass. And then we'll be like an actual thing. And that did happen. We made demos and flyers in class and thing. So Double Crossed, the first thing. The first hardcore show that Double Cross played was at the Bloomingdale Park District. A thing I've talked about a lot where it was like Sidewalk, Plan of Attack two. Sweet Double Crossed and another band or two who. All of those bands had like Drew from Nachos, Caution from Nachos, Andy from Bricktop and Nachos.

[Colin Young]

The whole scene is in the.

[Bo]

James was there. Like everyone I would eventually meet were there. It was a very. It was a pivotal day. Early 2003. Today I got my license.

[Colin Young]

Fuck yeah, dude. When did you first feel like yourself? And when did you feel the least like yourself?

[Bo]

Boy, when did I first feel like myself? You know, That's a complicated one.

[Colin Young]

It is.

[Bo]

I truly did not feel like myself until very recently probably when I. When I took a hold of my health.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And took a hold of. Of the things that I had problem with about my body image and took responsibility for that and then like decided to do something about it. That was. That helped. That was the last piece.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I had figured out my style, if you want to call it that. I wore this. I wore the same thing every fucking day. Hair was, you know, that's a big thing.

[Colin Young]

Never ending.

[Bo]

Never ending battle. Never happy. Yeah, I certainly did not. I mean, I was the kid in school who would like write like, fuck, God, yeah. On my jeans and then like cover up the fuck. But like make it obvious enough where you could see it, you know.

[Colin Young]

Did you have. Did you ever wear like. Like, did you have the first fucking Blood hoodie?

[Bo]

No.

[Colin Young]

Oh, man. I wore the shit out of that. And then my teachers were coming. Tape it up.

[Bo]

That's crazy. I wore the ringworm shirt that there is no God.

[Colin Young]

I wore that in my yearbook. It's awesome. If anybody has the Birmingham High School 2009 yearbook, I don't know where mine is. And there's. I'm wearing. I'm wearing this shirt somewhere. I'm wearing sick ass shirts in there. So let me know. Damn.

[Bo]

But yeah, my whole childhood I had. I was. I was very aimless. I didn't really have an identity. I didn't. I didn't know about what I wanted to do or be or. You know what I mean? So I. I think pretty much my. Like until I was in my late 20s, I did not know what I. Who I was.

[Colin Young]

And that's fine.

[Bo]

It is fine.

[Colin Young]

And it's good.

[Bo]

And part of that is not is growing out of caring.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I don't care anymore. I'm gonna wear what I think looks good and what I think compliments me and what's comfortable, you know, 100%.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I never wore girl pants, and that was very in vogue at a time where I could have. You know what I mean? And I mean girl pants by, like, literal pants made for.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, that's not derogatory. A lot of our peers were buying pants from the girl section because that was the swag.

[Bo]

That was the swag.

[Colin Young]

And the men's 18 visions really changed.

[Bo]

The men's pants just didn't come in that fashion.

[Colin Young]

And then Tui Re changed it.

[Bo]

Thank God.

[Colin Young]

Thank you, Ty, what about you? First time I felt like myself was probably the first show with Buried in Silence.

[Bo]

Oh, damn.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I mean, that didn't stay. Yeah. Like I said, I say it all the time. I've been me the whole time, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I've been. I've been this guy for a long time. Okay. Whether people understand that guy.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Or. Or that. Or I feel like being personable that day, that changes. But, like, I've been me. Taylor can attest I've been me the whole time. But that first show was very much like, oh, I get it now.

[Bo]

When did you not feel like yourself?

[Colin Young]

There was a field trip one time where my whole class went to see Tuck Everlasting.

[Bo]

What's that?

[Colin Young]

It was a book that became a movie. It's about this, like, guy who's young forever because he drinks from this well or some shit. I don't really remember. Steven, you ever see that? It's dog shit. Alexis Bledel is in it and she was incredible. Rory from Gilmore Girls. Come on, Legend. So I went on this kind of after school field trip. This is the first time anybody from school had ever seen me after school. So I was like, I gotta be different. I gotta act crazy. So I borrowed two wallet. Two chain wallets. Two. I had two chains.

[Bo]

Just extra safe.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Way before two chains. The guy I had to. And my brothers, like, had all these, like, weird goth friends and Juggalo friends who had all this weird shit. And I was like, guys, I need stuff. I'm going to movies. My whole. Yeah. So I had this, like, pulley system around my belt. And it was very much just like. And I was acting different. I was, like, cursing out loud just so people would notice me. And. And I drop the belt, like, exploded at one point. And the police, there's. I don't know what they are. They're I don't even. They were just like, here, put these on. It'll be sick. But the belt exploded and the pulleys, like, spilled everywhere. During the movie. During the movies. And I remember just thinking, like, I don't want these things. Like, why do I have these? And I remember the look on my teacher's face as she saw me cursing and acting like a different person.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin Young]

That was like, she looks disappointed in me.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin Young]

I think I need to be myself. Damn. And I never really acted like that again.

[Bo]

You were like Data from the Goonies.

[Colin Young]

Pretty much. Yeah, I was. Had all these gadgets and dropped them all. And like, one of my biggest pet peeves, like, nearly a phobia, is dropping things in public. I really like dropping keys or my phone in public and having to pick it up. Humiliating to me. So having to pick up all these pulleys from around the hearts. I don't even know what they are.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And they're all over the theater, and I'm going around picking them up after. It was humiliating. I don't. I don't. That was just. That's a stupid memory that sticks with me because I was like, this isn't me.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin Young]

What do we got now?

[Bo]

We got.

[Colin Young]

Did you feel. This is a great question, and I think it's gonna lead to the same answer for both.

[Bo]

Yeah, probably.

[Colin Young]

Did you feel like you belonged anywhere growing up?

[Bo]

Well, so as to not be redundant, I will. I will choose a different path. Mom, like I said, didn't like to drive. Work downtown, would take the train. So she'd get home around 7pm every night, and she'd be gone before the sun was up every day. So I. Mom was gone for. During the week. Once high school happened and I made, like, the new high school friends, there are these two twins or a pair of twins. The Becks. Matt and Kevin. My sweet, beloved Becks. These guys I talked to maybe once a year, got food with Matt not too long ago, but they're just like my guys.

[Colin Young]

They're your normal guys.

[Bo]

They're my normal guys, but they went into shows. And Kevin, there's a video of the killer playing Slave New World from Knights of Columbus. That kind of went around. Matt is. Is right next to me.

[Colin Young]

Oh, awesome.

[Bo]

They went to shows and they were like. They were into stuff. I would go to their house every single day after school. I knew the garage code. Mrs. Beck, bless her heart, would, like, feed me because she knew I would go home and make really bad scrambled eggs, you know what I mean? Like, she was so awesome, and they were so awesome. Mr. Beck was a pretty stern guy, but very nice, very welcoming, you know, And. And the two brothers I just, like, adored still do. And they were. They were just my. My guys who I. They were the first on the list. I would call to be like, hey, you want to hang out?

[Colin Young]

Oh, right.

[Bo]

And Matt would be like, no, dude, I'm just playing Warcraft. I'm like, I'll be right there because I know the garage code.

[Colin Young]

I'm coming in and you want to watch and play.

[Bo]

I literally, like, analog Twitch would sit on his bed just like, whoa, you know, W. I. I felt. And I felt like I belonged there. I felt very welcome. They had a basement with a Wii in it.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, it was the best. Okay.

[Bo]

When did you feel like you belonged?

[Colin Young]

I think. I think the. The Cobalt Cafe as a place socially and, like, ethically and, you know, I. I was very much a product of my environment, for better or worse. You know, a lot of older bad guys who I hung out with that made me want to do bad stuff. Yeah. A lot of really good people who were awesome right away and were really good influences on me. But the. But that's where I met pretty much anybody I'm still friends with today. Like, that from here, you know, Aldo, Nate, Brody, King.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Fucking Myra Legend, and twice as hard. I've seen them a thousand times. Nobody knows who they fucking are, but I've seen that band more than any other band. Caesar. Everybody from the Valley congregated here. And then that would lead to, like, posting on Strange Notes, which was the California Bridge 9 board. That would lead to being on the Bridge 9 board and getting. People were mad at me all the time.

[Bo]

I wonder if I, like, read your posts.

[Colin Young]

You probably did.

[Bo]

Probably did. You know, but you know what my screen name was?

[Colin Young]

Box.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Mine was Conan at first. That was my. One of my early nicknames, really. Conan. And that came from my friend Josh Gonzalez.

[Bo]

I'm not even going to lie to you. I remember a B9 Conan.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. My account was made in 2006 or 7, and then I changed it to Soaked in Torment.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Pre Soaked.

[Colin Young]

And then Taylor and I. There was this one day on the B9 board where Taylor and I changed our profile pictures to the same picture of Peter Steele, but mine was reversed so it would be like us talking to each other, but his was facing this way and mine was facing the other way. So that probably jogged some. Somebody was like, oh, my God, those guys. Yeah, I had a lot of Posts. But I would say the Cobalt Cafe was where it was like, oh, this is my. This is my community.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

This is my place.

[Bo]

That for sure happened with me at venues and stuff. But it is nice that I think we both had very welcoming experiences as young men getting into.

[Colin Young]

Oh, dude. And that's why, like I say, like, that's why we are the way we are, dude. And I was told this a lot, but Riley from Silent Fury was the mod of Strange Notes. And the people on this board wanted me dead for asking for a download link of the violation record. Mm. And Riley's like, why are we banning this kid that just wants to find hardcore? He doesn't have a record player. How would it. How. What is he gonna do with the Violation? Possessed seven inch. You know, let's let him listen to it. So Riley. Riley. And then everybody was like, damn, he's right.

[Bo]

He's right. Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And like all my peer, all the kids, like one or two years older than me wanted me to fucking kill myself. But, yeah. When do anger, sadness, or anxiety show up for you?

[Bo]

You know, anxiety is a recent thing and I've realized. So I cannot be late. I cannot be late. I have to be the one who is early. I cannot have people inconvenienced by me. When. When. In the early days of us.

[Colin Young]

Oh, my God.

[Bo]

When I would fuck up.

[Colin Young]

How much worse did this show make that feeling?

[Bo]

Oh, dude, like, I can't even tell you. Like, even. Even over the weekend, we had an audio issue. It kept me up last night. I have. I have insane fomo.

[Colin Young]

You really do.

[Bo]

I have crazy fomo, which I think stems from being an only child.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And having to find the mo. Make sure I had no mo.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bo]

So that. That stems into everything that drives any kind of negative emotion I might feel. Sadness. I'm a pretty happy guy. Yeah. Mostly I went through some. I. I've been very sad for prolonged periods of time, but especially now, I'm. I'm a very happy person. I'm very pleased with everything. And anger. I'm not that angry. I'm really not that angry. And I've never been. And that is something that I talk to Dr. Hillary with every other day.

[Colin Young]

Hey, Dr. Hillary.

[Bo]

See you soon, girl. But, yeah, that. That is something. You know, that. And all of that stems from I. This up. And now I'm not going to be on the show anymore and I'm going to miss out on it. But you know what I mean, it all stems from fomo. It really. That's where it all comes from.

[Colin Young]

The fear of even FOMO itself. Yeah. Fo. Fomo.

[Bo]

FOFOMO is very real.

[Colin Young]

What we really want is aomo. Absence of missing out.

[Bo]

Yeah, I want to. I want to in. Yeah, Whatever the opposite of missing out is.

[Colin Young]

I. Yeah, yeah. There's one eye.

[Bo]

What about you? You're a pretty angry guy.

[Colin Young]

You think so?

[Bo]

I don't think anger, as you're not walking around angry.

[Colin Young]

No.

[Bo]

But when something pisses you off.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I think anger started for me in 2018. Oddly, I was never really an angry, spiteful person until then. Anger really started for me in general when twitching tongues really took off, I think.

[Bo]

You know the first real hit.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Cause, like, it was pretty widely accepted at first, and then it wasn't, and then it was. And then they were very vocal about it, and then it was like I really sought it out. I really just wanted to read it all. Oh, it was brutal. I read everything, you know.

[Bo]

Oh, that's something. Not to interrupt, but I don't read comments or anything like that at all because that's the anxiety.

[Colin Young]

When I see the one out of 100. That's bad. Ruins my whole day.

[Bo]

Yep, 100%. Continue.

[Colin Young]

I'm with you. Sadness is maybe my definitive emotion.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I don't know why. It started very young, and that's what, like. I think that's what drew me to, like, Typo. Typo is my favorite band. Because of that.

[Bo]

Because of Sadness.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, because it was like. It was like this. I don't know how or why I could relate to it, but all the Kill Myself songs in the world, those are. Those are my favorite songs. And it's like, all right, this person feels this way. They didn't do it. I don't have to do it. I can write about it.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And then I don't have to do it.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Anxiety. Hard Lore gives me more anxiety than anything.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I was not an anxious person until Hard Lore, really. And I think. I think every time we do this, it's. There's. Half of me is like, this is just a thing that's going out to my friends, and.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Nobody's gonna hear it. Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

I think that every week and then

[Colin Young]

I go back and an episode will have 200,000 plays, and I'll be like, what the fuck?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. It's escaped containment. So there's that. When I don't think about that, when I think of it as like, this is a thing for my friends, I don't freak out when it's A bigger thing. And like it's gonna reach a new kind of person. It becomes this performance. And performances can be bad.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And you're not. And if this is our job, not every day at the office is gonna go, well, great. And that happens. And I don't accept that when it does. And if it doesn't, it's like that was my fault. I let that happen. So if an episode is bad, or I feel like an episode is bad in the moment, I'm really beating myself up. Or if I forget to ask something and it's. I. I really freak out about the general structure of how this show goes. And like, especially if it's a bigger episode of bigger guests. Like the last.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Seven weeks of the show have been. I spent those seven weeks really freaking out.

[Bo]

The first time I saw that was the, the Manchester kind of improv live thing.

[Colin Young]

I had nothing.

[Bo]

Yeah. And that really bothered you.

[Colin Young]

I really loved it. Hated it. Interesting. And I was very emotional. I also hadn't slept all week.

[Bo]

Oh, that was.

[Colin Young]

I hadn't slept in a week. I was very. It was dawning on me in. In real time that like this dumb little thing we did had a sold out show in Manchester, UK before we did anything live in America, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

That really touched me and I couldn't function properly. But I would say sadness informs my day to day existence. Not that anything in my life is sad. I think it's chemical.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

You know, my wife is the funniest, most incredible person to ever walk the earth in my opinion.

[Bo]

She really is.

[Colin Young]

She's so fucking funny. When she gets home tonight, I'm sure they're gonna laugh because that's what we do.

[Bo]

Yeah. How beautiful is that?

[Colin Young]

We giggle, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

One time I asked her, she was gonna hang out with her friends one day and I asked, what are you looking forward to? Like what are you guys gonna do? And she's like giggling. And that is her. You know, and that's every day. But yeah, I think sadness informs. I would say I would go sadness, anxiety, anger.

[Bo]

You know, probably just switch the one for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I think I would say high school. I became a sad guy and I think I became angry around the true. The true revelation of the preacher man story developing. I was kept from. And I wouldn't find out the truth about until very late. This is well documented. I've talked about.

[Bo]

Did Taylor know?

[Colin Young]

Taylor knew. Aaron knew. Yeah. But it was broken down to me by my dad as. As he's in a hospital bed and his lung is collapsing. And I'm thinking something horrible is happening to me. It's in a way that's like, hey, you don't know this. And this scared me, so you should know this. And that was when it was like, fuck, like, my life is a lie kind of type thing. Yeah. Yeah.

[Bo]

When did you realize you wanted something different from the life that was presented and in front of you? Maybe normal. Normal life.

[Colin Young]

I think there's a few instances of that. You know, in high school, everybody around you is going to college, and we're like, no, I want to rock. You know, that's natural.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Once you're rocking, not everything is rainbows and roses.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

There's a little bit. There's a time when you're rocking where you go, if this doesn't work out, I'm really looking forward to going home and getting a job.

[Bo]

Getting a fucking nine to five.

[Colin Young]

You get that job and you go, man, I'm really looking forward to changing that and going back on the road again. And then. And I think Covid, having a 9 to 5, barely working on music, but working on music nonetheless. Coming out of COVID the God's hate record coming out, us having these zoom calls that were so fun and realizing I really hate my job. I really love being creative and I love talking about music. And I think Bo and I are onto something that was the real. I think that was the biggest aha moment of my whole life, was this thing developing that's pretty huge with no expectations.

[Bo]

Yeah, no, totally.

[Colin Young]

But it was like, damn, we can. If 800 people watch this, we can make a little bit of money.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

You know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And. And here we are almost four years later. Yeah.

[Bo]

It was when I didn't get into any colleges. I was open to college, and I was almost like, well, my parents must know something I don't. Obviously. I must be able to get into uic. University of Illinois at Chicago.

[Colin Young]

So no state schools either. No. Really.

[Bo]

I had no extracurriculars, no accolades, 2.2 GPA. Like, truly, you're a smart guy. You know what. What was the one class I did great in was history and 20th century and, like, kind of social studies type stuff. I wanted to. I was like, I'll go to college if I can go away, meet girls, meet new experiences, you know, like, that sounds fun.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I wasn't thinking about it for the school. I. I. Because I also. I wanted to be a history teacher. I wanted to be an actor.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I wanted to be a History teacher. Actor. Seemed pretty unlikely.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

At the time, ironically, history teacher. There were so many hoops she had to jump through. I didn't want to go to more schooling.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I didn't want to.

[Colin Young]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Bo]

So that was the first, like, well, I don't. I know I don't want to do that. And then it was fucking 15 years of grinding.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Of grifting, of living the most paycheck to paycheck I've ever been and hope to never return. And then. Yeah, that when the day I got laid off from the most recent IT job. And I.

[Colin Young]

We have like, hey, let's get serious.

[Bo]

We had a conversation where I was like, if we do this. Because we were. We were monetized in a sense. And. And I was working. So it was like, oh, I'm double dipping. Which was awesome. And then it was like, oh, I. Maybe I don't need to find something. And we could just focus on this and like travel more and do the in person stuff. And that was a very like, holy shit.

[Colin Young]

If we work harder, this is. Becomes more real.

[Bo]

And. And like we could just do that. And so. Yeah, I'm actually, I'm right there with you. That was a big.

[Colin Young]

That was the big.

[Bo]

That was the late life. Like, oh, I can. There's a third path. There's something else.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. This next question is, what were your first escapes? Do we like that one? I feel like we've talked about that a lot.

[Bo]

Oh, we haven't talked about one of them.

[Colin Young]

What were your first escapes?

[Bo]

A little thing called Nintendo 64.

[Colin Young]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

I talked about my dad's roommate, Rick. He had all the systems. Eventually Rick moved out. My 10th birthday, my dad got me a Nintendo 64. I had played SEGA and Super Nintendo and Nintendo and all that stuff, but those games weren't as immersive as Ocarina of Time. And that was the first, like, I would log. I would turn on Ocarina of Time to watch the sunrise.

[Colin Young]

That's beautiful.

[Bo]

To listen to the music and just like stand in Zora Village because I thought it was dope.

[Colin Young]

That's a great answer.

[Bo]

You know what I mean? And that was the first sense. And that truly began my. Because Shortly thereafter a PC came along and I got into Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, and then before that a game called Acheron's Call, which if anyone knows, was a Microsoft game by Turbine. Unbelievable game. Looks like Runescape, but it was a full mmorpg. And then of course, eventually World of Warcraft.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And I mean, we're talking tens of thousands of hours logged into these games.

[Colin Young]

I could never do the monthly subscription games. I wasn't allowed to.

[Bo]

I had an allowance and this absorbed it.

[Colin Young]

Gotcha.

[Bo]

So it was a word. It was a fine trade for me, but I understand

[Colin Young]

very similar answer.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Was my Game Boy color. My Game Boy pocket.

[Bo]

Oh, was that the.

[Colin Young]

That's what I got for Christmas.

[Bo]

Was that the color?

[Colin Young]

I don't think it was color, but it was backlit.

[Bo]

Backlit.

[Colin Young]

The pocket was backlit.

[Bo]

That was the first, like, the second generation.

[Colin Young]

That was, to me, the first thing I ever owned. The first thing that was mine that wasn't a stuffed animal or something. Pokemon Red and Blue. First two games I played, I played them back to back. Same game, you know, just played them back, smoked them both. All day, all night, all the time. And I really attribute Pokemon to, like, why I didn't notice my parents getting a divorce or my mom leaving my dad for a priest. Because it was like, I don't give a fuck what is going on.

[Bo]

Yeah, whatever.

[Colin Young]

I just found Mewtwo. He's real. And Mew is apparently in this truck.

[Bo]

If I can move it, I see pixels. Yeah.

[Colin Young]

If I can use strength on this truck in the beginning of the game, Mew is under there and I'm going to find him. Never found him. And that. That would go to the N64. That would go to the PS2, and then. Dude, video games are. I feel horrible for our parents. Generations are so fucking technologically inept with that. You ever see if somebody who's like, 60 hold a controller?

[Bo]

Dude, it's pathetic. I fly all the time. I see people hold their cell phones. It's pathetic sometimes. We'll do this right? You'll do this when you're. But this is the default. Oh, do you know what I'm talking about? That's like the default. One hand. Okay.

[Colin Young]

Always watching. Watching a grown man hold a controller like a loser as a kid was very, like, damn.

[Bo]

There's an amazing scene in Sopranos where Tony comes home late and AJ's playing Mario Kart. Tony sits down next to him and holds it just with one hand by the joystick. He's not even hitting the gas.

[Colin Young]

It's crazy. Pathetic. So good pathetic behavior. So. And it's cool. It's cool to me now that it's not as much of a societal taboo, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Our evenings are spent logging on and immersing ourselves.

[Bo]

Like, I can't wait.

[Colin Young]

That escape that got us through so much of our lives Is still such a big part of our lives.

[Bo]

And what's great is we're adults.

[Colin Young]

We're adults.

[Bo]

And now we can find all of them.

[Colin Young]

And now everybody my age, I hang out with them on there. You know, I go to. I go to eat with them and then we go home and hop on the game. It's beautiful.

[Bo]

Let's say. What mistake from an earlier era taught you the most?

[Colin Young]

I think when recording disharmony.

[Bo]

Oh, wow.

[Colin Young]

I knew that I was. What I was giving vocally was a problem. You know, Whoa. Where it was like, I don't think this is right because it would sound. My voice never recovered the whole time. You know? And my instinct was this may. I don't think I can do this. I don't think I'm doing this right. And I think I should have listened to that instinct. Maybe listen to your instincts would be. Would be a mistake that not listening to my gut kind of always is a lot of the time. My first instinct is very correct. Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And I think I. I think when I ignore it, things don't always go well understood.

[Bo]

It's one of the biggest cliches in the world. But the grass is always greener is probably the truest euphemism or whatever that would be called on earth.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Whether it's jobs or status or bands or relationships or friendships or money or. It always seems better until you're there. You were just talking about it with the job thing where it's like, you're at your 9 to 5. God, I can't wait to get in the van.

[Colin Young]

You're in the van. You're like, I cannot wait to have a dollar.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Or you're loading in the rain and you're like, I can't wait to just be home, you know? And I've learned truly, only in my 30s, it took a long time to just kind of enjoy and focus on what you're doing. Because that other lawn or whatever doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And if it's that important, then go. But realize what you're.

[Colin Young]

That's how we learn. That's how we learn. Who were you trying to impress or defy?

[Bo]

Always trying to impress Chris. Always trying to impress my dad. Always trying to defy my dad. I remember getting into political debates with my dad, thinking I was a little communist when I was in middle school, in early high school, showing him the most aggressive, disgusting music I could find at the time, which was probably ringworm, you know what I mean? Just to be like, yeah. Hear that, dad?

[Colin Young]

And

[Bo]

you know what I mean?

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And yet the very first Double Cross demo, my dad recorded it. We did it at his house, because he's a recording engine.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So it's like. It's.

[Colin Young]

It's handy, and if you liked it, you'd have been so psyched, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah. And he didn't. It was awful. It was a shitty youth group, and. But it's kind of like what we were talking about with Pinks, the hot dogs. I don't know what the thing would be for my dad to be like, wow, yeah, it's out there. Probably something to do with Wrigley Field. If I throw out the first pitch,

[Colin Young]

he'll be psyched, he'll be pumped.

[Bo]

You know what I mean? I got close when we were able to park at the Metro to do a game once again. Really was impressed by that. But definitely. Definitely dad, because he was a musician. He. He was in a band. He was in the Stay Tuned Orchestra.

[Colin Young]

He's the. He is. Both answers.

[Bo]

He's Both answers, for sure. I. I definitely. I certainly want to impress Chris.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And.

[Colin Young]

But Chris is impressed.

[Bo]

But Chris is impressed. And Chris is very supportive. When I told Chris we were doing Davey havoc, he was like, that is incredible. You know? And Chris. Chris knows. He knows that. But, yeah, it's. And. And obviously, I want to impress mom, but mom is. Mom is my biggest cheerleader in the

[Colin Young]

world, so she's impressed no matter what.

[Bo]

You know what I mean?

[Colin Young]

You trip over your shoes, she's gonna be like, wow, you felt so good.

[Bo]

So graceful.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. That's fair.

[Bo]

What about you?

[Colin Young]

I mean, the easy answer is my brother.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

But we just. Eventually, we started doing everything together, you know?

[Bo]

You know, you don't want to defy that.

[Colin Young]

No, I don't. I don't want to defy him. I think now I'm defying him more than ever. And it's like, sometimes I'm right, and it's, like, weird in terms of who do I want to impress? Anybody who cares about anything I do.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Anybody who supports anything I do. My dad, my brother, people that listen to our music, people that watch our show.

[Bo]

Every time we finish an episode and we get messages from friends or people, they're like, yo, that was really good.

[Colin Young]

From friends means.

[Bo]

It means a lot.

[Colin Young]

People I grew up with, taking time out of their lives to watch. This is the best part. Yeah. I would say that's probably constant. Just anybody who cares. I'm trying. I want to. I don't want to Fail them again. You know, it hurts.

[Bo]

What did music or culture or art give you that regular life didn't. It's kind of everything.

[Colin Young]

Everything.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Everything I have is from hardcore music.

[Bo]

All my relationships.

[Colin Young]

I met my wife because of it. We have this show because my job is because of. Was in a movie because of it.

[Bo]

Creative outlets.

[Colin Young]

Everything I've ever done, style and everything I own, everything I like.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Is attributed to hardcore music in some way. Art, the art that I have chosen that is hardcore music is all I have and all. And like, all I want.

[Bo]

Yeah, same. Same answer.

[Colin Young]

Excellent. What was your first real job? Real job.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And what did it teach you?

[Bo]

So I'm gonna go. Real job is gonna be the first one that got me out of the house. Like, I made enough money to get out of the house. Right. So I went bogeys that I talked about several times this episode. Subway Sandwich artist, Park District, where I was a camp counselor, which I actually really love.

[Colin Young]

That's a cool job.

[Bo]

While also simultaneously working at GameStop. But I was making 10 bucks an hour. I was making crap. Sick. GameStop rocked. Actually. I've sick in the mall.

[Colin Young]

Dude.

[Bo]

I loved it.

[Colin Young]

The dream.

[Bo]

I just didn't. I didn't get enough hours.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I eventually worked at a call center at State Madison. Right. Right smack dab at the middle of downtown. And I moved into the Fireside House and lived in the basement. And I was making. I think I was making like 14 bucks an hour. Which in 2008 was pretty good. It was enough. You know, if you have roommates.

[Colin Young]

14 an hour in 2008.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I think that's like a healthy living.

[Bo]

Yeah, it was pretty good.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I was doing good. And I was paying 100 bucks a month for rent.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, you were fine.

[Bo]

I was in the basement.

[Colin Young]

You could do whatever you want.

[Bo]

I could do whatever I wanted. Yeah. And I did. And I eventually got promoted. And I was a kind of a shift leader. On the weekends, I would be there. I was willing because, like, in party or anything, I don't care. I'll work on the weekends. Sometimes I have a show. But they didn't care. They were cool about it. It was some silly marketing thing that was like, we want to be Google. So watch Netflix at your desk if you want. Do whatever you want kind of a thing.

[Colin Young]

Here's a hammock. The company hammock.

[Bo]

Yeah, Very much. Very laissez faire. Whatever. And I think I got fired because they thought I wasn't there. I was supposed to email at the End of every weekend to be like, hey, here's what happened. And everything was smooth.

[Colin Young]

Right.

[Bo]

And for the first year I did that and then no one ever responded nor ever commented on it. So I just kind of stopped and they thought I wasn't there. Because we logged our times. We didn't clock in biometrically or anything. We just kind of put like I was here 8 to whatever, 8 to 4:30. And my boss pulled me in. This guy Bob. I really didn't like him but he pulled me and he was like, hey man, I'm gonna have to let you go. We need somebody who's going to be here. I wish you all the best. And I was like so shocked that I was like, okay.

[Colin Young]

You weren't like, what do you mean?

[Bo]

Yeah. I didn't think about it until I was on the train where I was like, wait a minute, I've been here every weekend. I truly did not.

[Colin Young]

That's crazy.

[Bo]

Yeah, it was. I was wrongfully terminated.

[Colin Young]

Wow.

[Bo]

From Total Attorneys.

[Colin Young]

Let's get back at them.

[Bo]

They're bankrupt. Go.

[Colin Young]

Excellent.

[Bo]

But that was my first real job where it was like you learned the

[Colin Young]

real value of money.

[Bo]

I had insurance, 401k, you know.

[Colin Young]

You man, really moving out.

[Bo]

How about you?

[Colin Young]

I look at my first season on the show Big Brother as fascinating. Really crazy man. That. That's a whole episode in itself. Just like what reality TV production is actually like. The hierarchy kind of miserable. Horrible.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

How horrible the all like the executives can be. Even though like writing staff can be just fucking poo pooing all over you. I was there for years and most people never said a word to me.

[Bo]

It's kind of like assembling a PC where each component you're trying to get the most out of.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

That's everything is just designed to squeeze.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. And we're. I was bottom of the totem pole the whole time.

[Bo]

The whole time.

[Colin Young]

The whole time. Because. So the show turned union the year before I got there. Which meant every position you now have to be in the union to do so. If I was there a year prior, they would have been like, pick a thing and that's your job and you're in that union.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin Young]

Crazy, crazy way that that operates. But because of that you now have to work non union days in that role on something else a certain amount of times. Or be like begged for to do this job after everybody else who's waiting says no brutal shit. But like once you're in, you have benefits forever in the union pension. Yeah. It's Unbelievable. And I left early to go on tour after I promised him I wouldn't the next season. So I spent that whole season being like, all right, I'm good at this. My direct, my superiors, Danny and Dave Bowman really like me, and I love them. I bet I could move up, but I do have to leave on this tour. This was the Kings of War tour. Twitching tongues, code orange, Big tour. I'd had other jobs before. Okay, I'd have plenty of other jobs. But to me, this was a career that I purposefully sacrificed multiple times. I left this career where towards the end of the season, they're like, what do you want to do next year? You know, wow. Like, where do you see yourself? And I'm like, I don't know, maybe a story department or something technical upstairs. Yeah, because my dad filled in for a guy named Dave something. Sweet guy.

[Bo]

You worked together?

[Colin Young]

No, no, not when I was together. Right when I left, my dad started working there. So it was like a void, a young family void was filled. My brother Aaron did tape operator Stu in analogging. I think my aunt Flo, who I love. I have an aunt Flo, if you can believe that.

[Bo]

How about that? How often you see her?

[Colin Young]

Not very often. I love her to death. My aunt Annie.

[Bo]

Not like once a month.

[Colin Young]

Love her to death. No, not once a month. Much less than many of you. My Aunt Flo, one of the, like, a key part of Taylor and I's growing up, just because it was like. I think she dated somebody in CoC. She was just so fucking cool, and she was around a lot, and it was just like, yo, you're dope. Like, and it was the. The opposite of our mom's side of the family. You know, where my dad is, all these southerners. But his dad, the military surgeon, was like, liberal guy somehow.

[Bo]

Oh, weird hit.

[Colin Young]

My aunt Flo lived in New Orleans. Liberal gal somehow. My aunt Annie has kids. One of her kids, my cousin Ren, I believe their name is now non binary. Super accepting of that. So I have these beautiful family members all. My dad gets them all, tries to help them all get jobs. Flo does tape logging stuff. Aaron is the tape operator, and he's a complete disaster to the point where I'm wearing a crumb sucker shirt one day, and this guy Mark Rhoden in my first season of Big Brother is like, crumb suckers. What the fuck, dude? Who are you? Yeah, I'm like, my name's Colin. I'm from Connecticut. And he's like, I'm from Connecticut, and I Was like, whoa, this guy's awesome. And then we get to talking over the next month and he figures out that Aaron's my brother and he's like, that's your brother? Was his real raw reaction. I was like, I know. He's fine. He's doing fine. Now. His niece, Amelie, my only. Sorry. His daughter Amelie, my only niece. Beloved. Okay. I will kill and die for her. And my basically other niece, Noi Noel Suzuki. I love you so much. Love you both so much. Could cry right now.

[Bo]

Big Brother, you sacrificed.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Yeah. Every season it would be like, what do you do? You see yourself here? Yeah, but I have this six week tour with Code Orange or. But I have the Disharmonic Rust tour. Maybe shouldn't have left for that one. That one was so bad that. That the next year was like, I'm gonna take this job. And that was the first time. I remember that was my first season of Big Brother where God's Hate went on tour with Nails and Full of Hell. And I didn't go.

[Bo]

I remember they stayed. They used our van.

[Colin Young]

It was the only time I've ever been filled in for.

[Bo]

Who filled it for you?

[Colin Young]

That was Kyle, because I played guitar. Kyle playing guitar.

[Bo]

That's right.

[Colin Young]

And then just stayed in the band. So that was the only. That. That was me being like, yo, people hate disharmony. And I think I'm gonna kinda quit music.

[Bo]

Yeah. Remember that?

[Colin Young]

I'm gonna get this job.

[Bo]

I remember that being like a. Did you hear about Colin? Kind of a thing.

[Colin Young]

Damn.

[Bo]

I remember that being like a thing.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I was broken. And I had this opportunity to get this job once again. And I was fine with that. Started a new relationship. And it was like, all right, I guess this is me now. You know, if I stick at this long enough, I can maybe make like 75 grand a year one day. And then I think the next. Oh, I left for Damn. But Big Brother, working on the show. I have a lot of stories. That's a whole other podcast episode. I think my nd, my NDA is up pretty soon.

[Bo]

Oh, you signed an NDA?

[Colin Young]

Oh, multiple. But I think it's been seven years.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin Young]

Since I worked on the show. Seven years. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So hit me up. When did adulthood hit you the hardest?

[Bo]

I have a framed receipt from Chase Chase bank in my living room. I've had it for 15 years now. Almost to the day, actually. We got back from a European tour. Skyrim had come out.

[Colin Young]

Oh, man.

[Bo]

I got home 2011, 15 years ago.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Got home, got Skyrim it was with dead end path and brutality will prevail. Got Skyrim, had no money.

[Colin Young]

Right.

[Bo]

And was just like, well, I don't need money. I got my Xbox 360. I'm playing Skyrim. It's snowy in Chicago. I'm set. You know, and that was a really. I was happy in that. I was happy in that moment. And then I got a. God. It may have been a physical letter back at that time that I was overdrawn on my checking account, which would happen to me all the time. If by the end of the next business day after you got the letter, you deposited money and went back into the black.

[Colin Young]

It was not.

[Bo]

You wouldn't get charged 35 bucks.

[Colin Young]

Right.

[Bo]

And 35 bucks would ruin.

[Colin Young]

Ruin me. Yeah.

[Bo]

So I was like, I got. I got the thing and it said, you are. It's either $0.54 or $0.46 overdrawn. Okay. And I'm like, well, just got to deposit a dollar. I could do that. I scrounged my apartment. I'm looking under the couch.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

In between. Under the fridge. In. In. Going to the laundromat next door and checking the lint tracks.

[Colin Young]

Wow.

[Bo]

I'm going every. I'm doing everything I can. I found a physical $1 bill. Don't remember where it was or, like, why. I just found it out. But I found a dollar bill. I walked to the chase at a positive of the dollar and the research. The receipt said available balance, you know, $0.56 or whatever the inverse was. And that was the moment where I was like, I gotta do something.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Like, this is.

[Colin Young]

This is the most pathetic any.

[Bo]

This is pathetic. I think I was on unemployment at the time from the job I got fired from. And I was just like, you know, I was making like 350 bucks every two weeks. And I think my rent was 350 bucks a month. So I was surviving on $350 for food. And. And I just remember thinking, like, I can't. This is no good. You know, I would eventually then get the H and M or the. I'm sorry. The Whole Foods job, the fishmonger job that I would leave for an Australian tour where we also made no money and then started at H M, which was like the beginning of, like, I'm living.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

That was so. It was the first moment I remember H M, Bo. Oh, yeah. That was the first. That was the time where I was pretending to be someone I wasn't for sure. Because I wanted to be corporate guy. Because again, I thought like, well, this is what I. Obviously, nothing else is going to happen.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I remember being like, yo, Bo's pretty high up at H. Yeah.

[Bo]

And I. And I was, but wasn't. But yeah. I just remember feeling this immediate, like, oh, hey, you're happy and you're having fun, but you're a loser. Did you felt that way? I'm not calling you a loser.

[Colin Young]

Did you go home and play Skyrim?

[Bo]

Of course.

[Colin Young]

So you forgot about it?

[Bo]

No, no, no. I framed it.

[Colin Young]

Oh, right.

[Bo]

I have.

[Colin Young]

But you were like, all right, but I'm still gonna do.

[Bo]

I'm still gonna. Yeah. It's not like I could go and get a job right now, but it was very much a. Like, I gotta do something. Unemployment's no good.

[Colin Young]

That's a big moment.

[Bo]

It was. It was a big moment. And I'm not going to lie to you guys. Until Covid. Well, H and M, I was doing pretty good, and then I quit that to go on warped tour. And then until Covid, when I started doing it stuff, it was tough.

[Colin Young]

It was scrounging, man. My dad must have been like a pig. Like a literal, physical piggy bank. The way that I would just find change in places, you know, where we'd be like, if I can just get 35 cents, I can get a wallet. I can do that thing.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin Young]

And I would be like. I would check the cushion and be like, loan to hold 35 cents.

[Bo]

What about you?

[Colin Young]

Adulthood pandemic. One bedroom in a new marriage. Yeah. Brutal. You know?

[Bo]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Colin Young]

Most relationships did not survive that.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And ours did. And that, to me is like, that feels like we've been married for 30 years. You know, that year just was insane. Codified, and we've made it work, dude. And, like, we hear people talk about, like, Mary, you know, people would be like, happy anniversary to my wife. Marriage is so hard, and we hate each other, and it's so hard. And we'd always be like, this isn't gross. And we definitely do not hate each other. But, yeah, marriages, it is hard. And that's why the whole death do us part sickness health thing exists is like, it's gonna suck sometimes. Somebody, you're gonna be down, and they're gonna need to pick you up. They're gonna be down. You're gonna need to pick them up. And I think, Covid, a lot of people didn't get back up for sure. And that was. To me, that was like, okay, I'm. I need to figure some shit out. And her being like, yo, you need to figure some shit out is what made me reach out to Jay Weinberg, who reached out to Chris Hudson to greenlight this show. So thank you, Jay. I will never forget.

[Bo]

What did failure look like to you before people knew who Colin Young was in any sense? Like, what did that. I guess what did that. What did failure mean? What did it feel like?

[Colin Young]

I think giving up on the whole theater thing was kind of a big blow for me.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin Young]

Yeah. It was like, man, this woman has stolen this thing that I like, that I think has been my one dream and identity so far. I grew up. So this is interesting. I've told this before, but in fourth grade, I went by the name Bill because I love Bill Murray. It was a new school, you know.

[Bo]

Your first name is William.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, my first name is William. So I was like, I'm Bill now. And it was just because I had. I loved movies before. I loved music, you know, that was like, all same movies before, video games before. I cared, really cared about Pokemon. I was watching Home Alone every day. Same, so. So I think losing that was tough. That was like. That felt like a failure.

[Bo]

Did you email her or anything and be like, hey, check out this movie I'm in?

[Colin Young]

No, I should. Yeah, yeah. With like, a scan of my middle finger on a Xerox. I should. I should.

[Bo]

Yeah, you really. I think that would feel good.

[Colin Young]

I think she'd be proud, though, and she'd think she, like, well, I told

[Bo]

you what you had to do.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, yeah. She'd think she was part of that in some way. In reality, she delayed so many things, but who knew if I would have pursued music in the same way had she not robbed me.

[Bo]

You were. You're much more like. It's not like there's subcultural acting and movies necessarily. Like, there's indies and smaller movies, obviously, but, like, you're much more likely to find success in the singing. You had very early and immediate connections to.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, I was super young.

[Bo]

Hollywood, super young.

[Colin Young]

I lived here. Yeah, I was pretty good at it. I was doing at a professional level when I was in. When I was 11, you know, but, you know, that. That felt like that was failure. And then obviously, disharmony. I don't need to say anything else about that. That was the biggest failure of my whole life.

[Bo]

Failure for me before I was from any band or anything that someone would know would be making mom sad for sure. I vividly remember when we were living at the house in Roselle where she's. I know she's paycheck to paycheck I know she's scrounging. We moved to that neighborhood because the high school was really good, but we were. The house with the weeded lawn and the windows that were kind of broken and, you know, I was in the backyard around with a friend of mine. I had a Red Rider BB gun, just like the movie. And I was on our patio of concrete. I was shooting at his feet.

[Colin Young]

Oh.

[Bo]

Just to, like. And he was laughing. It was my friend Andrew. We were laughing. We were both laughing. And I've been shot by the beat. It doesn't break skin. You know what I mean? It ricocheted and broke the back patio door.

[Colin Young]

Oh.

[Bo]

Sliding glass door. And. But it did the spider web thing.

[Colin Young]

Tempered.

[Bo]

Yes. And. Yeah. Laminated.

[Colin Young]

Epic.

[Bo]

And she walked up to, like, check what the noise was and saw me through it with just, you know. And she just immediately started crying. She wasn't mad. She was just like, well, how am I supposed to let the dog out? Oh. She immediately put it into a sense of, like, think about what. This. What you just did.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Not the cost or the inconvenience, but just like, you're making stuff harder for me. And that felt so bad.

[Colin Young]

It's not. Yeah, I had a lot of those.

[Bo]

It felt. Yeah, yeah.

[Colin Young]

As did I. Yeah, those happen.

[Bo]

Broke lots of windows and drywall and stuff before that. But that was. That's one that stands out where she just, like, immediately started crying. Maybe she was behind on bills or something as it was. You know what I mean? And it was just like, yeah, that. That sucked.

[Colin Young]

Failing her in particular is failing.

[Bo]

Failing my mom.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, that.

[Bo]

That sucked.

[Colin Young]

What part of adulthood do you still feel unprepared for?

[Bo]

Child rearing?

[Colin Young]

Yeah, fuck that.

[Bo]

I shan't be having a child.

[Colin Young]

I may adopt if I'm, you know, rich at some point. If I'm rich.

[Bo]

We were just talking about this last night.

[Colin Young]

You need to be rich to have a kid.

[Bo]

I just. I don't. I don't feel comfortable, nor do I have the desire to.

[Colin Young]

I think I'm too selfish with my time.

[Bo]

1000% too selfish with my time. And it's not even too distracted. It's not even selfish in, like, a derogatory sense.

[Colin Young]

It's like.

[Bo]

It's like, I love my time.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I love being able to come here on. On a whim or being able to travel or, like, do whatever with a friend or my girlfriend or whatever. Like, I like just to be able to get up and go. And when you do that and you see the people at Universal with the full family or you see the people on the plane who are trying to.

[Colin Young]

That's fucking miserable. But. But they're also like other. Outside of those moments. They're so much more fulfilled in that way than we are will ever be.

[Bo]

You know something? If you're happy doing that, obviously.

[Colin Young]

Exactly.

[Bo]

I'm very happy you're happy being a parent. And I hope you're doing a great job. It's just not. Ain't for me. It's tough.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

It ain't me, babe.

[Colin Young]

I think that's a great answer. Mine would probably be death.

[Bo]

You're afraid of death?

[Colin Young]

My parents are alive, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I have reoccurring nightmares about them dying and me like regretting not saying all these things about them. And I know you're never prepared for that.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

But I would say I'm really under prepared for it. And you know, my mom's health. Very healthy. My dad is shockingly healthy for being a smoker all his life. But I really want him to knock it off.

[Bo]

He's not on that vape shit or anything.

[Colin Young]

No, he's not, dude. He's fucking analog, dude. But he's packed. He's pipe guy, which is. I mean, our grandfather was a pipe guy. He died last year, you know. But his, My dad's lung collapsed, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah. Jesus.

[Colin Young]

They're not supposed to do that.

[Bo]

No, they're supposed to.

[Colin Young]

Supposed to be there. I would say. I'm really, I'm really not prepared for that. And that will, that will destroy me, I think. As well as my brother. I know that too.

[Bo]

Oh yeah. That's a crazy thought.

[Colin Young]

That can't happen.

[Bo]

I've not even thought about like my friends.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I can't. I really. And when it happens, it's like you never stop thinking about it.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Dude. When my brother, I, I, he has to outlive me, you know, I don't. What am I gonna do? Well, I'll never make music again.

[Bo]

We have a. A friend named Dave who is. If you look at any early 2000s pictures of Chicago stuff, Dave's in all these pictures. He was pretty emotionally unstable. Guy got into a. It was James birthday. We're all at this restaurant. We liked it, actually. We took the promo pics for imprisoned. The first harmsway 7 inch where we're all in the back shirtless and James Weight rack. While we're taking that. James or Dave had gotten into an argument with his family. Whole thing happened. He drove off in a car and killed him. Shot himself while he was driving just on the highway. And that was my first. Like, it wasn't somebody's grandparent or a grandparent of mine or anything. It was like.

[Colin Young]

Or even like a loose acquaintance. It was your friend.

[Bo]

It was my friend, yeah. Who I. Like, I went. I stayed at his house and. And we played poker in his basement all the time. Me and James were there all the time. And that was the first real. Like, oh, my friends are gonna die. That's just gonna happen. This feeling is. Is gonna happen.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

It was very, very, very tragic. But we were talking about this. Or it's like, well, I can't do that.

[Colin Young]

Can't do that.

[Bo]

I can't make.

[Colin Young]

Won't do that.

[Bo]

I cannot. You know how. The way I am about being late.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Can't make people sad.

[Colin Young]

No, totally. You know, and, like, so many people in my wife's life have died young, laying, like, tragically, that I have to see her go through it over and over again. And, like, you know, I lost Kale. That was huge. Yeah, yeah.

[Bo]

That.

[Colin Young]

And you're never prepared. And I just wonder, like. And this has nothing to do with anybody. We've talked about how many people that we know or that our friends know have to die for people to stop fucking around with drugs. You know, how do you see your friend die from a substance and ever even look at it again? Yeah, and that's something we'll never understand that. Obviously. We'll never understand dependency in that way, because we've never dealt with that. And that's a privilege. Yeah, we're privileged to think that way. But, man, I'm glad to not understand how anybody can live that way. And I really hope that losing your friends or loved ones or something, the one positive impact it should have on you is to not do that thing or subject your friends and community to that thing anymore. Crazy. When did you first feel competent at something?

[Bo]

That's a good question.

[Colin Young]

It's a great question.

[Bo]

Truly competent in the sense where I didn't need to. Oh, you know. You know what's so funny? When I was a kid, I could set up the tv, vcr, cable box, video game, input one, input two. I could just do it. It made sense to me. Still does. It ties into building PCs. It ties into pedal boards. It also weirdly ties into plumbing. If you think about plumbing in a signal chain with a guitar, it's the same concept. It's kind of wild. And it's different from electricity. Like, electrician work is very different. But I used to do that And I remember. I actually remember at the Roselle house, my mom got a new cable system or whatever, and the guy came. I had set it up already because we'd gotten the box. And they sent a guy out to set it up and then to turn it on. And he came over, he said, who did this? Someone come out already. And she went, my son did it. And I was just like, kind of sitting there, like, you know, probably 10.

[Colin Young]

That's awesome.

[Bo]

And. And it was. I remember feeling like, oh, I can do that. I'm good.

[Colin Young]

Sick ass job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd say mine would be. After witnessing my brother, the musician, flourishing and thriving for years and wanting to be in bands with him finally being accepted into being one of those bands. And the first song I presented to him of like, I have an idea for a song. It goes like this and like this and like this.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And he went, sounds good. Let's try it. And we recorded it as is and it existed. It's called Apocalypse Never. It's a Ruckus song. It's my favorite Ruckus song because of that. That, to me, is the first full complete idea I ever had.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And I, to this day, gives me chills.

[Bo]

Damn.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. That's my. That's my bad religion. Seven inch to me, you know, that's my. Whatever. Yeah. Presenting that to him. Him liking it and it being awesome to this day. That was the first time I was like, I can fucking do this.

[Bo]

Did you ever feel guilty choosing this path? Meaning hard lore. There's layers to this question.

[Colin Young]

There are.

[Bo]

Because on the surface, it seems like, well, no.

[Colin Young]

But guilty about doing what we do here every week. I wouldn't call it guilt.

[Bo]

I have felt guilty about maybe exposing too much. Lifting up the curtain a little bit.

[Colin Young]

There's a lot of inside baseball.

[Bo]

A lot of inside baseball. People will often present that to us and offer it to us when we're talking to them. But that doesn't make it a certain aspect of knowing about. Straight ahead.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Not everything needs to be documented. That is certain.

[Bo]

So there's a little bit. I have a little bit of that. There's a little bit of the fast food thing. We don't eat that much.

[Colin Young]

Oh, no, no.

[Bo]

We certainly eat fast food, but it's mostly because of tour.

[Colin Young]

We don't like corporations. We're merely. It's a means of survival, you know, And.

[Bo]

And, you know, that's part of it. I have a little bit of that corporate punk guilt. Yeah, dude, we didn't talk about that. With Randy last night or Randy the other week. But he was in his book, he mentioned having punk guilt about being like a well off guy and being a well known guy and corporate. Corporate. Corporate is like a real thing.

[Colin Young]

But he's charitable whenever we can be. We're not at the point of our life where we can afford to be charitable. Not yet, you know. Yep. Once we are.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

You bet your ass, dude.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I'm gonna have the tiniest dog sanctuary you've ever fucking seen. I'm gonna save every small dog, even this cat, this. Our beloved Amelie, who has the same name as my niece. She's a rascal.

[Bo]

She's a real rascal.

[Colin Young]

And yet if she died, I would weep. You know, She's a sweetheart. She's winked at you.

[Bo]

She loves you.

[Colin Young]

You see that?

[Bo]

She's my girl.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I think. I think that guilt will subside if we can ever afford to do anything

[Bo]

about it, which we intend to.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

But. So I do have little bits of that. And there is also just something I just a PSA about. I feel guilty about not putting over totally unheard bands and their new demos on the show.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

The reason we don't do that is because you're putting us in a position where we either have to lie and say we like something because we don't want to affect. We don't want to torpedo anything, or B, we're honest and we either do really like it, which is great. And if we find something and when we.

[Colin Young]

When that happens, we're. We're. We can't wait to talk about it. I couldn't wait to talk to you about the C4LP.

[Bo]

Or we have to be honest and we risk torpedoing something. So it's like we have to allow things to organically come to us, and they often do. But please understand that if you send a Bandcamp link to our Instagram individually

[Colin Young]

or if you tell us, guys, I have this amazing idea. React to demos on the show, brother. I'm not trying to bury anybody.

[Bo]

I don't want to do that. I don't want to. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

[Colin Young]

Also reacting channels on YouTube, the guys

[Bo]

reacting to, like, Sepultura and those are

[Colin Young]

the coolest guys on earth. Will never be them. But as a. As a thing like, that's hack. That's the hackiest hack thing you can do.

[Bo]

They're like pioneers. Those guys rule, buddy. Hack it.

[Colin Young]

So I don't know. Nothing against them, but yeah, that's fair. What was the first Moment. You felt this could work.

[Bo]

Now that's a good one.

[Colin Young]

Furnace Fest. Furnace Fest was the one traveling outside of our homes, out of our homes to a place that none of neither of us have really ever spent time, where we were invited and given space to do interviews with bands. And. And like, that was that. That to me was like, dude, we're in a. We're in a hotel. That's crazy.

[Bo]

Yeah. The Tut Wild.

[Colin Young]

We're in a hotel for this and it's haunted. And we get to talk about that next week.

[Bo]

That is a good one.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

It seemed doable, though, the following spring into summer, where it was tied down. England sound inferior.

[Colin Young]

I mean, that was like, yo, this is work.

[Bo]

But that was when I was like, oh, this is. This is what we're doing.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

That was where it was like, here's my passport. You know, that was.

[Colin Young]

That was. That was this. Has this worked? This is somehow.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Surreal.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And here we are almost four years later.

[Bo]

Lord.

[Colin Young]

Coming up on four years.

[Bo]

Oh, this is. This is good.

[Colin Young]

This is great. What part of this came naturally and what didn't?

[Bo]

This comes very naturally.

[Colin Young]

Easy.

[Bo]

It was the first thing we did.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And how. We've told the story a thousand times, but the first zoom call we had when we were trying to set up, we were dying.

[Colin Young]

Laughing.

[Bo]

Yeah. We were just giggling. Giggling. We love to go, what doesn't work? What doesn't work?

[Colin Young]

Or what was not natural. You know, trying to think. I think, being. Learning that, like, okay, you're a videographer, you are an audio engineer. You're a producer. You're a producer. You're a social media manager. There's so many little steps that people don't see.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And like, that even maybe you still don't know about, you know, that our. Our consistency is what separates us from the competition. And Steven, my fucking boy, who's right here on this couch giggling, listening to this whole thing. He's the third wheel. He is. He's the front of the tricycle.

[Bo]

That's very true.

[Colin Young]

He's what he has brought to this program the last couple years. Create creatively, technologically, emotionally.

[Bo]

Because we broke.

[Colin Young]

Oh, we were broke. It was. It was. I was like, dude, I'm shocked. You can't.

[Bo]

You couldn't do it.

[Colin Young]

I can't sleep. I can't eat.

[Bo]

Who could.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. That. That did not come. Like. And then giving up the reins was tough, you know, and it's still like, I'm. I'm zooming with him. Yeah, you're still very Wednesdays at 10pm or like Wednesday on Discord Calls, putting the reels Together, Wednesdays at 10pm Pacific hours before they go up every week. So that's the. It's all very hands on. There's no ghost puppeteer making this shit happen. It's all this room.

[Bo]

So I'm trying to think if there's anything a little more emotional that can work.

[Colin Young]

I mean, we had no aspirations of like any. Like, I think people taking pictures with us and like us being above anybody in any way was never. No, we don't want that.

[Bo]

I hate it. Well, I like taking pictures.

[Colin Young]

No, I'm totally. I'm not, I'm not opposed to it. I have no opposition towards it. We are welcome with it. We're welcome to it. We're so excited about it and we're so grateful for the support.

[Bo]

Always talking about the man on the street type stuff.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Like. Like if we're doing that, we just want to make stuff. It's not like we don't. We don't want to take away from bands playing a fest or anything.

[Bo]

The last thing we ever wanted do is cause some kind of line or walk out in even to 30 people.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, we don't. I think we don't want to be the center of attention anywhere. And, and that's why kind of moving forward. If we're traveling and doing something, it'll be more behind the scenes and stuff that, you know, like FYA has us every year and they give us the space to make full episodes with people who we would not be able to do it without. And that's the, that's the coolest shit. What? That, that doesn't come naturally to us. I think. I think being like the, the fucking hardware guys is like. We don't want that. That's not that. That we didn't choose that.

[Bo]

No.

[Colin Young]

And we, and we reject it.

[Bo]

Yes. I'll stop, walk into a room and someone will go hard.

[Colin Young]

Lord, it's like, okay, okay, I get it. Thank you. What can you say but thank you? Yeah, but like, dude, I. I go home, I wake up same as you, same as you guys. I'm just looking for the goop, you

[Bo]

know, a little bit of goop.

[Colin Young]

I'll always be music guy first, you know. And this takes away the last three years. If I put the same amount of effort and time and brain power into music that I have this show.

[Bo]

But you also started two bands.

[Colin Young]

I did. But that's so easy. That's the easy part. That means nothing, you know? That first album is effortless. That's why I do it so much. There's no pressure.

[Bo]

I see. I see.

[Colin Young]

Going back and following up something people liked or people hated, that's hard. That's pressure. And if I had spent this time doing that, it'd be. It'd be a different. It'd be a different story. Any what almost stopped you from doing the show early on?

[Bo]

You editing?

[Colin Young]

Yeah, I was. I was. I was done.

[Bo]

We had a blowout. We had a minor blowout. I was driving and I couldn't. I was like. Speech to text quietly.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, I felt bad and I'm like. And I kept being like. And again, I'm not blaming you.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was just. It wasn't at one another.

[Colin Young]

No.

[Bo]

It was just at the situation.

[Colin Young]

Like, I'm dying.

[Bo]

And we. And we found a life raft, dude.

[Colin Young]

And then. And it was crazy that we were like, we're looking for an editor. And I was talking to Stephen about something else in that moment. And Steven's like, hey, just saw you're looking for an editor. I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier. I could give it a shot, honestly. And I was like, honestly?

[Bo]

Well.

[Colin Young]

And I was like, dude, I was like, man, like, that'd be crazy. Yeah. If you want to give it a shot, do it. And he was like, gotcha.

[Bo]

But then a couple weeks later, we played the well turned. We were walking. I said, are we okay? And you went, you kidding?

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

That's nice.

[Colin Young]

I brought you a bunch of merch.

[Bo]

Yeah, it was beautiful.

[Colin Young]

What was your honest first impression of me, dude?

[Bo]

So this is one that I read earlier and I was really trying to think. I knew of Taylor, toured with Taylor. Didn't I knew of you. I didn't know you. We were in a random group chat.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, I don't. That I have no memory.

[Bo]

It was to do with typo merch. So my first actual impression of you was just like, you were funny.

[Colin Young]

This guy's got a lot of shirts.

[Bo]

A lot of shirts. You were funny. You were. You were really funny because it was the European tour and you. You were always cracking everybody up.

[Colin Young]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

But then, honestly, the vine guy. Oh, yeah, you were funny. So my first impression of you is mostly humor, I would say. And watching you at the 2012, this is hardcore, which is watching you guys play.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bo]

That was the first time where I saw twitching tongues. And I remember being like, oh, he could sing.

[Colin Young]

Thanks, man.

[Bo]

Oh, where do they get this from? Oh, they're all wearing the shirts from. You know what I mean? That was probably first impression. How about you?

[Colin Young]

I love it. I knew of you because of the tour. Taylor coming home. I loved Harm's Way, you know. So I think you've obviously well documented episode one of hardcore. Big fan. One of the. One of the biggest some would say was Taylor going on tour with Harm's Way and me being like, dude, what was Harm's Way like? Are they awesome? And he's like, yeah, they're sick. Like you got to meet them. And I think we met. We actually met in the parking lot of Sound and Fury, as I've said. And I remember being like, oh, this is a cool guy. He's nice. He's cool. I love his band. He must be cool. You know, funny. And then. And I think on the. The tour was where it really blossomed.

[Bo]

Yeah. Is where we all became where it

[Colin Young]

was like, I think this is my guy.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin Young]

Very like minded in a lot of ways. Very similar. Liked a lot of the same things. He loves mayo and sour cream. As do I. Yeah. My first impression was I. I'm pretty sure this is my guy, you know. And then that just kept going. Yeah, that just kept slowly.

[Bo]

Slow. Very slow burn.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, it was slow burn.

[Bo]

And we got thrown into something and I think we. There was a bit of a. Whoa. Kind of a buoyancy.

[Colin Young]

Tell me.

[Bo]

And now we're. No, just. Just. We got thrown into parlor.

[Colin Young]

Oh.

[Bo]

Where we're. We go from probably interacting every once in a while to weekly.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

If not more so.

[Colin Young]

It was like there was a. There was a kindred.

[Bo]

Definitely.

[Colin Young]

There was a kinship strongly formed early that was like, we don't have to talk all the time but like, I love what you do. You love what I do. We. Whenever we do talk, it's like, man, if I live near this guy.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

We probably. Probably see each other a lot. And then we got tossed into a game of D and D during COVID That's right. And then we would hang out after the D and D after everybody logged off.

[Bo]

That's right.

[Colin Young]

You would tell me about the technical twitch stuff. That's right. Those conversations would go hours because we were stuck inside.

[Bo]

I forgot about the D and D.

[Colin Young]

The D and D game was what really did it. Wow.

[Bo]

Brody King Barbarian.

[Colin Young]

Brody King Barbarian. And if you're stronger than him, he's mad about it.

[Bo]

I'm a barbarian.

[Colin Young]

If you have more hp, he's pissed.

[Bo]

What do you think people get wrong about our dynamic?

[Colin Young]

You know what's interesting is I think in general you're a much more extroverted person than I am.

[Bo]

Yeah, I think so.

[Colin Young]

I'm a pretty shy, reserved guy.

[Bo]

You like beelining right through the crowd on your.

[Colin Young]

I'm a very, I'm not a people person and like, I turn it on when we press record and I'm going to give our guests everything I have. And then when we're done, I'm a shutdown. I'm not an extrovert. I'm not my wife, even my wife thinks I am. And I have to be like, you're not paying attention. Because she's like, she is, she's.

[Bo]

Hey, how are you?

[Colin Young]

But she's like, I don't need to leave the house this month, you know.

[Bo]

Oh, oh.

[Colin Young]

She's perfectly happy being up there with the dogs and being done and as am I. I like going to house, the. Going to get a cup, you know, seeing my really good friends, you know, I'll see, I'll hang out with Mac and Brittany seven days a week. Yeah, that's fine. I'm totally content with that. But I'm not an extroverted person. I'm a very. I keep to myself and I, I can't pay attention to absolutely anything. So I, I. Existing, existing day to day. Tough.

[Bo]

Interesting.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, very interesting about you.

[Bo]

I don't know, just, I. I think it's not so much a you and me dynamic. It's a dynamic of the show that it's like, you guys gotta get X, Y and Z on. And it's like, we know who we got.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, we know. We're working on it. We just had Jorge on, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah, we've been talking about.

[Colin Young]

We just had the guy from the band we've been talking about for four

[Bo]

years since episode one.

[Colin Young]

If you, if we want him on,

[Bo]

it will happen, it will happen, and it's going to happen.

[Colin Young]

Mark my words. Gang, gang, gang, gang. What did you learn about yourself through working with me?

[Bo]

It is. It is. Okay. And this is also something I learned in like the band dynamic eventually because it wasn't always that way in the band. It's okay to allow the person with the idea. To charge is okay to support the idea.

[Colin Young]

Wow.

[Bo]

And to fill the space that might require support. Because although an idea can be really strong on its own in this medium, especially the way it's presented and executed and the soft skills are also very important. You are a guy with ideas and you are a guy who goes. And I had to learn to not force my FOMO and my wanting to be relevant. To impede on better is better to impede on the. Like, hey, this is all one thing. And as long like just you can do this great kind of a thing. That. That's something that I've. I've had to learn. That's like. You can have. I have ideas. Some people might have a lot of ideas. And that's okay.

[Colin Young]

We've. We've found the dynamic. You know. We figured it out.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

And it's tried and true. It works.

[Bo]

Yeah. People might not realize we have very different styles when we do interviews.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Where Colin likes to be really prepared and to do some serious research. Outline.

[Colin Young]

Almost. I'm writing essays about every fucking.

[Bo]

About every guest. I will have five to 10 thoughts. And I like to kind of improvise as we go. Certain ones I do.

[Colin Young]

Which helps. Which it does help.

[Bo]

Certain ones I do a lot more. Truly, a lot more. And other ones I just. I. Especially if it's a friend or something. Apart from dates. Because getting dates wrong on this sucks.

[Colin Young]

It does.

[Bo]

But apart from dates, like, I love just like talking to my friend.

[Colin Young]

You know, I think that's. I mean, that's a big takeaway from. This is when we do these.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

The relief that we feel that it's just you and I. Yeah. That's from Ben. From the start.

[Bo]

From.

[Colin Young]

It's like when it's just. When we decide it's just you and me for a week. We're like, oh, here we go. It's just. It's. It's very refreshing and fun and, you know, we. We say that we tell the same stories a lot. But, like, there's a lot of things I'll never talk about on here. There's people I'll never talk about, bands I'll never talk about. I gotta keep them. Those are where I get my riffs. You know?

[Bo]

So.

[Colin Young]

It's a constant journey of discovery. What part of our story is never or has never been told publicly?

[Bo]

I have sent hundreds of emails to brands and companies and DMs and

[Colin Young]

stop buying loop earplugs. They fucked us.

[Bo]

They fucked us.

[Colin Young]

Knock it off. They suck.

[Bo]

Like, I know. Like you guys. They work.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. They're great.

[Bo]

But they.

[Colin Young]

They're scumbags.

[Bo]

They just didn't.

[Colin Young]

They. That were that fucking anything. We've advertised for them. Worked way too well.

[Bo]

Way too.

[Colin Young]

Because they're like. Got my loops in.

[Bo]

Yeah. Bro.

[Colin Young]

They don't give a fuck.

[Bo]

They haven't cared about us since 2023.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Whereas we've kept every advertiser we've ever had.

[Bo]

Yeah, they just ghosted us. And certain. I understand things happen in that world. There's a lot of turnover in the relations artist relations world. And like, marketing relations people. We've had a bunch of different manscape guys. You know, like, it happens. That is a really difficult part and we've never really addressed it before, but, hey, most of the stuff we have are people being like, hey, guys, ever

[Colin Young]

would you do this?

[Bo]

And we were like, yeah.

[Colin Young]

And we'd rather work with our friends than big companies.

[Bo]

We'd rather work with a friend or your small business.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, we don't really like working with corporations.

[Bo]

We don't want to work with a corporate.

[Colin Young]

We prefer not to.

[Bo]

So send us an email if you

[Colin Young]

got the best one right here.

[Bo]

Yeah,

[Colin Young]

that's.

[Bo]

That's an untold thing, I think.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, I think there's. There. I think how much work it is, is what people really don't know.

[Bo]

Yeah. And you do a lot of it and I see it, so I know it's a lot. As does Steven, as does Stephen does.

[Colin Young]

It's a lot of work, this damn show. But we love it. I mean, ultimately, we were talking yesterday, wrapping those two interviews, just thinking, like, what a fucking crazy job.

[Bo]

Great job.

[Colin Young]

Like, I really think if we just showed our past selves anything.

[Bo]

Hey, keep going.

[Colin Young]

Like, dude, can you believe this is real? Yeah. I think that's another thing we don't talk about is how grateful we are. What part of yourself feels flattened by public perception?

[Bo]

I have riffs.

[Colin Young]

He does have riffs.

[Bo]

I have some riffs. I don't have as many as others. Yeah, but I have riffs very early on. People would like. People would kind of just kind of riff on our insider jokes.

[Colin Young]

Yeah, those are my jokes. I get to say whatever I want about him. Believe me. You gotta relax. I think assuming I have any ego about anything, I do. When I'm deeply insecure about it all.

[Bo]

You don't think you have any ego about it? I have ego about myself.

[Colin Young]

I think sometimes I write something and I'm like, that was awesome. I would say I have a reverse ego. If anything. I think any assumption that there's any, like, that I think I'm superior to anyone is just, like, so far from the truth.

[Bo]

I think the ego thing is natural. The superiority thing is beyond that. You know what I mean? I do think it's like, it's okay for us to be like, we're doing something and we've done something and we're reaching people.

[Colin Young]

We're doing a thing that we're providing a resource we wish we had.

[Bo]

Yes. We're also doing something that anyone really can do.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Can try to do. Certainly. We're just doing well.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. And providing a perspective that nobody else has. Which you would. You would do the same if you did it.

[Bo]

And watch as a young person.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. How do you protect your private self?

[Bo]

I kind of have a new rule of thumb when it comes to social media. If it isn't funny or pertinent, I don't really share it.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. I think that's a good rule. I don't talk about my relationship at all.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I deleted my Twitter. You know, people don't need to have access to my brain. 25.

[Bo]

Yeah. But he uses the hard lore one.

[Colin Young]

I do use the harder one, but that's the show that could be either of us. How do you deal with criticism?

[Bo]

I don't. I'm a Lee. When like reading comments about my. My appearance.

[Colin Young]

Oh, my God, dude.

[Bo]

Reading anything about my laugh or great laugh or when I did the Subway takes thing, I just talked about this.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Subway takes thing where I said that Chicago isn't part of the Midwest, it's the Great Lakes, which I stand by, obviously, because I was collabed on that post every comment I saw and it liked me up. And that's the dumbest thing ever. I should have been prepared for that, but I just wasn't. So I don't deal with. With criticism very well. And I think I'm getting better now. I truly laugh about it. I don't care. The other day I read that we. We suck off Marauder too much.

[Colin Young]

And it's like, bro, I've owned this shirt since I was 15. I'm the same guy. I'm. I've been me the whole time, but now I just happens to. Now I'm happen to be.

[Bo]

Well, it happens to be cool.

[Colin Young]

How do I deal with criticism? I have to stop seeking it out.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin Young]

It sucks. That criticism is like half of art. You know, it's true. Because it's so subjective and I criticize stuff all the time privately, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever left. Has adult you ever left like, this fucking sucked?

[Colin Young]

Other than like the. The band president who sucks? I don't know. I don't think so. Other than, like, that's my point. Yeah, I don't think so. I really try not to. And especially about hardcore music.

[Bo]

Especially about hardcore.

[Colin Young]

Because hardcore and hardcore crime is not necessary. There's there's musical evil in this world, President. That's real. Some real dog.

[Bo]

What boundary did you have to learn in the hard way? There's some restricted accounts on the Instagram.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. You don't have to respond to everything. No. What do you believe in more strongly now than, than ever?

[Bo]

This is a young person's genre, as it should be. It's a genre for the youth. And, and I am perfectly happy to be an old head. I take no negative connotation to be an unknown.

[Colin Young]

No.

[Bo]

Or old or anything like that. I'm nearing 40. It's happening. I don't care.

[Colin Young]

It's fine. Gray got great.

[Bo]

I had Gray in high school. You believe that? I have no issue with that. And I take no issue with that. So I, I believe truly that it's like when I had. When Last year at fyo when we talked to that band from South Florida.

[Colin Young]

No truth.

[Bo]

What was it?

[Colin Young]

No truth.

[Bo]

No truth.

[Colin Young]

They were pitting all weekend and they

[Bo]

were like, yeah, we love Ringworm.

[Colin Young]

That is what this is for.

[Bo]

That's what this is for.

[Colin Young]

We want to be for them. This is not, this is just like, hey, you know all those questions you have about these bands you love? We've had those same questions our whole lives. Whole lives.

[Bo]

We get it.

[Colin Young]

Here they are. I, I. What I believe in strongly is anybody in punk and hardcore who, who can't cut it and ends, crashes and burns into a right wing grift is the biggest fucking loser on earth. And that no matter what happens to the show, if it crashes and burns. Yeah, that will, neither of us will fall and pivot to a right wing conservative grift.

[Bo]

What responsibility do you feel towards our audience?

[Colin Young]

Honesty. And that's why, and that's why there's certain guests where it's like, you don't want me to have that guy.

[Bo]

We can't do it. You know how we feel.

[Colin Young]

It would not help anybody. Honesty. I tell you what I like. He tells you what he likes. Yeah, it's beautiful. And you tell us what you don't like. What that we do. And you know, sometimes we see it. What do you hope outlives you?

[Bo]

I believe the mindset of rejecting normal will always go on. Has nothing really to do with me. I just happen to follow it right. That mindset. But it's not something I created or anything like that. But I just think, I hope that there will always be a 13 year old who's like, no, yeah. Because I think there will be. That's really important. It's Just always important. It doesn't even matter what direction it really starts, just so long as there's people who are questioning everything. You know, I think that that's really important. And I'm obviously speaking more so in a punk rock and musical cultural lens, but I think that extends kind of beyond everything.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

I think when we make every episode, we try and we try not to date it. The only dating that would. There really is is when somebody has, like, a new album coming out, but it's meant to be viewed or listened to at any time.

[Bo]

We're arch.

[Colin Young]

This. This isn't. I hope that this remains an archive for which people get their questions that they've always had the bands they love answered. And also the art that we've made. You know, the songs, the music that we've made. You. You gotta hope that outlives you. You know, that. That that's why it exists.

[Bo]

What scares you the most about being remembered?

[Colin Young]

I just think we both want to be good people.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah. But you know what, man? No one remembers your great grandparents. You know, the people in history.

[Colin Young]

Nail their names.

[Bo]

You know, Gigi, gg. The people in history who we collectively Remember are like 0.0001% of the population. Like, so my answer is. I don't. I really don't worry about that. I don't worry about that. I hope my friends and family think I'm a good guy.

[Colin Young]

That's it then. Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

What would feel incomplete if it ended now?

[Bo]

Danzig, Hetfield.

[Colin Young]

Hetfield.

[Bo]

Ariah.

[Colin Young]

Yeah. Or King or Lombardo. Yeah. For real. Slayer, Metallica, Danzig, Misfits, Jerry Cantrell. Anybody? Anybody from Typo?

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot.

[Colin Young]

There's plenty. There's. There's a lot of bucket lists that we will not stop until we get fully agree.

[Bo]

And then those are just going to open more doors and it's all, you know. But, yeah, Hetfield and Danzig, I think, for me are. That's the.

[Colin Young]

Those are. Those are top. Top. Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

What chapter still hasn't been written?

[Bo]

I think we have a lot more traveling ahead of us. I think the travel show idea is really fun.

[Colin Young]

Yeah.

[Bo]

And I think that that is. That's. There's definitely something there.

[Colin Young]

Obviously, aside from all the work I'd like to do with this show, so many people I want to talk to, so many questions. I have so many bands I love, so many albums. I love that. I just want to ask about all the music I still want to write. I got. I got records and records and Records and records and records inside of me that have to be unlocked. That I'll always write. But this will not last forever, you know, and one day, I don't know when I'm going to spectacularly log off. I'm gonna stay off, just offline. And you will never see me again. You will see me. You'll have a key to. You'll have a key to the compound. But I will vanish off the face of the earth one day. And I want you to remember that. Now I want you to listen real good. You're not going to know where I am. I'll pop up at some shows. I'm going to be gigging, but that's it. Other than that, I'll be at the compound.

[Bo]

How will you know where the shows are?

[Colin Young]

I mean, it'll be in my band's playing, you know, it'll be like, is he going to show up? Okay, I'll be there.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin Young]

And I will log off when I end. I cannot wait. I have to be logged on, you know? Yeah. What we do is log on.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin Young]

This show is being logged on and knowing what's going on and explaining what's going on a lot of the time.

[Bo]

That's true.

[Colin Young]

One day, mark my words, I'm gonna log off and I'm never getting back on. And that chapter is coming. But for now, I'm so happy to be with you all. I'm so happy to be with Bo. It's. It's the. It is the greatest privilege of both of our lives to be able to do this.

[Bo]

Thank you guys. A million times over. Thank you forever. Obviously. I hope this wasn't too.

[Colin Young]

I think it was fun.

[Bo]

Self centered or anything.

[Colin Young]

It'll be some somebody. We're doing the fucking metal core bracket next week or something.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah. But anybody watching this are the people who would always watch this, you know,

[Colin Young]

especially if you got to three hours deep. They. They're all right. You're all right. Bo, I love you.

[Bo]

Love you, buddy.

[Colin Young]

Steven, I love you.

[Bo]

Love you, buddy.

[Colin Young]

Everybody watching. We love you, Taylor, you know I love you. That's my guy. Taylor. Tess, I love you too. Lana, my wife. I love you. Wow. You know, my dogs upstairs, they're watching Lord of the Rings. It's almost over. Think about that. Fellowship is almost over.

[Bo]

Yeah. They're about to cross the river. Boromir just died.

[Colin Young]

He just died. Yeah. He did not fail them. He did not fail them. He did what most men could not. Don't you fucking start with me. We're going to talk about this off camera. We'll see you all next week. Bye.