End of 2025 Q&A: Chain Reaction Closing, Blood For Blood Reunion, Dream Guests for 2026

Summary

HardLore – End Of 2025 Q&A: Chain Reaction Closing, Blood For Blood Reunion, Dream Guests for 2026

Date: December 18, 2025
Hosts: Colin Young (Twitching Tongues / God's Hate), Bo Lueders (Harms Way)
Producer: Knotfest
Episode: End of 2025 Q&A

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Overview

The HardLore hosts deliver their traditional “end-of-year Q&A”—an unfiltered, energetic conversation about the state of hardcore, touring highlights, legendary venues, music gear, fitness, Christmas memories, band reunions, and outlandish listener questions. The episode stands out as both a reflection on 2025 and a celebration of “Hardcore + Lore,” with Colin and Bo at their most relatable.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. End-of-Year Vibes & "For The Children" Fest (00:45–13:46)

• Christmas Spirit

  • Both comment on how Christmas feels less magical, perhaps due to age or lack of snow in LA, compared to their snowy Midwestern/East Coast childhoods.
  • [01:17] “I remember trick or treating in snow … historic blizzards, like, every year.” – Bo

• Fest Recap: Boston For The Children

  • This year’s Boston ‘For The Children’ was a massive level-up: 2 nights, 1,500 cap each, both sold out.
  • “Unbelievable sets all around. Day one was Fiddlehead Bane. Day two was Haywire, Twitching Tongues, Skinhead, fucking Yellow Stitches... Beautiful thing to see.” – Colin [02:58]
  • Colin shares personal connections, meeting Dickie from Boston backstage, and a comical story about his dad “punishing” Dickie about Twitching Tongues.
  • Haywire opened with "Impression That I Get" with Dickie and played an hourlong, pro set.
  • Blood For Blood Reunion: Taylor and Jimmy’s management, new & old members, “crazy” set; Colin laments playing after them: “after the Beatles, before Oasis. They fucked me. But nevertheless, we persist.” [07:13]
  • Emphasize the impact: toys collected, generosity, and the tradition’s authenticity compared to other charity drives.

2. Venues & Scene Shifts – Chain Reaction Closing (65:41–70:03)

• Chain Reaction (Southern California) closing
  • Both express mixed feelings: legendary venue, “past its prime,” long drives, but countless hardcore milestones.
  • Iconic shows recalled: Cro-Mags, Madball, Gorilla Biscuits, E Town Concrete, and the notorious Tooth Incident.
  • Nostalgia for the venue’s role post-Showcase, and community contributions, “it was so important for Southern California hardcore for so long.” – Colin

3. Blood For Blood Reunion & New Era (06:17–07:46, 12:28)

• Details on the “new era” lineup, including OG members and “Big Justin, the fourth strongest man in America on guitar.”
• The sonic and emotional impact, with the band now “basically a Connecticut hardcore band.”
• “Dude, it was unreal… Playing after them was the worst shit ever because it was so good.” – Colin [06:19]
• Harms Way covered “Paper Gangster” at Burning Fight Fest.

4. Q&A Highlights—Humor, Insights & Tangents

Straight Edge: Floorpunch vs. Earth Crisis? (13:58–15:01)

• Bo: “1000% floortpunch straight edge. Much more interested in stage diving sing along than spin kicking.”
• Colin: “I am scientifically Earth Crisis straight edge. Mainly because Earth Crisis is the reason I'm straight edge.” [14:52]

Dream Guests for 2026 (15:44–16:58)

• Bo: Jerry Cantrell (“realistically possible”).
• Colin: Hints at an “unexpected” director/composer who “nobody would guess”—teased for 2026.

Meals of the Year & Foodie Content (18:25–21:29)

• Tokyo beef tongue, London’s crackling pork sandwich, Boston’s MOO (“bisque with souffle crust,” “smoked beef tartare”).
• Vibrant food descriptions and recall of shared meals.

American Nightmare vs. Cody Rhodes & WWE Lawsuit (21:32–23:06)

• Both enthusiastically support Wes' legal move: “Get that money. They own the name… you think WWE wouldn't do the opposite?” – Bo [21:38]
• General condemnation of WWE’s overreach and defense of hardcore rights.

Fitness on Tour (24:46–25:54)

• Bo credits a tour routine: “Five out of five of us go to the gym… And you're doing crazy cardio every night.”

Musical Gear—Worst & Best (34:37–37:26)

• Bo: Crate “furry head” amp was “dog.” Mental/Justice borrowed it—“sounded like ball sack.”
• Colin: “Did not connect” with the quad cortex, but praises Dunnable custom guitar as “spectacular.”

On Band Breakups & Band Merch (107:13–108:15)

• Both agree that most “breakups are fake—fake-ups” in 2025, unless there’s an outright cancellation.
• It's case by case; breakups no longer mean what they did in previous decades.

5. Scene Trends, Mosh Moves & Pit Culture (89:53–91:22)

• Trends the hosts want to end/continue:

  • Bo celebrates resurgence of floor-punching and stage-diving, vs. spin kicks.
  • Both want to “kill the horseshoe” (empty semicircle at the front of the crowd)— urge people to “just get in the mix.”

• Pit Moves They Wish They Could Do (99:34–100:29)

  • Colin: Standing backflip (“Seb from Regulate can do it. I gotta learn that.”)
  • Bo: Butterfly/spin kick (“I can't even raise my leg above my belt.”)

• Bands Seen Most

  • Both: “Terror. For sure.” (Likely ~100 times for Colin.)

6. Band Reunions & "If You Could Sign Any Band..." (23:08–24:04)

• Colin: Floorpunch (“Give me one more guys.”); Minor Threat rumors (“They get together and play all the time…”)
• Bo: Underdog, “even if it’s just reggae,” would soothe.

7. Notable Listener Questions—Fun Answers & Quotes

• # of Mozzarella Sticks in 10 Minutes (45:34–48:41)

  • Both estimate between 15–20, debating stick sizes and strategies.

• Biggest Laugh of 2025 (29:02–30:17)

  • Reminiscing about persistent hilarious ad-reads and “belly laughs” on and off air.

• Most Chuffed All Year (17:00–18:24)

  • After the Davey Havok episode and “euphoric” post-interview dinner.

• Band You Love That Most of Hardcore Hates (26:19–27:04)

  • Colin: Coheed & Cambria (“Tough sell to a lot of people, but I love them…”)

• Advice for Depression & Motivation (51:23–53:13)

  • Both advocate for either social time (“do stuff with your friends”) or healthy solitude depending on age and mood; “don’t feel bad about not accomplishing something.”

• Spotify Wrapped & Listening Ages (00:00/114:00–116:53)

  • Bo’s “listening age” is 83; Colin, 52.
  • “You decrepit old bastard. 83 is crazy.” – Colin [116:54]
  • Top artists: Stan Getz, Brian Eno, Crowbar (Bo); Post Animal, Lady Gaga, Into Another, Morrissey, Jade (Colin).

• Mount Rushmore of Floorpunch Songs (80:04–80:44)

  • “Intro, Changes, No Exceptions, Wash Up at 18.” Honorable mention: “It Won’t Happen to Us.”

• Favorite Gift Given/Received (71:26–78:38)

  • Bo: GameCube at peak demand; extremely disappointing pair of too-small rollerblades.
  • Colin: Game Boy Color with Pokémons Red & Blue—first “thing that was mine.”

• If you could have unlimited drinks from your fingers, what would they be? (110:21–111:31)

  • Water, Diet Coke, Fairlife Vanilla Protein, Baja Blast Zero, White Monster.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"Playing after [Blood For Blood] was the worst shit ever because it was so good. ... After the Beatles, before Oasis.”
— Colin (07:13)

“Get that bag, Wes. Fuck the Fed, dude.”
— Colin (22:23)

"You decrepit old bastard. 83 is crazy."
— Colin (116:54)

"I'm much more interested in floor punching and stage diving sing along than I am spin kicking. And I do think that's a difference."
— Bo (14:33)

“Breakups are fake. Fake-ups.”
— Colin (107:40)

“If you have style while you're doing this ridiculous thing we've all done, that's amazing to me. ... There’s really three types of mashers—those who look good, the ones who are just wrecking balls, and the ones who don’t look good.”
— Bo (90:31)

“When we go to shows, and old heads and young heads alike are like, love the show. I listened to this band because of you guys... That's the coolest thing to me.”
— Bo (79:27)

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Timeline of Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic/Segment | |-------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–02:31 | Opening, Christmas vibes, "Spotify rap" joke | | 02:44–13:46 | Boston For The Children recap, Haywire set, Blood For Blood reunion | | 24:46 | Bo's tour fitness routine, healthy choices | | 34:37–37:26 | Worst & best gear owned, Dunnable guitars praise | | 45:34 | Mozzarella stick eating challenge Q&A | | 51:23–53:13 | Motivation & depression Q&A | | 65:41–70:03 | Chain Reaction closing: memories & impact | | 80:04 | Floorpunch song Mt. Rushmore | | 99:34–100:33| Pit moves they wish they could do | | 107:13 | Band breakups: fake or real? | | 114:00–116:53| Spotify Wrapped & listening ages | | 117:35–119:32| Patreon support & guitar giveaway story | | 121:23–122:41| USPS/Post office rant |

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Tone & Style

The episode is lively and irreverent, full of inside jokes and affectionate ribbing, peppered with deep nostalgia and sincere gratitude for the hardcore community. Colin and Bo shift seamlessly from goofy banter to poignant insight, making the conversation both lighthearted and meaningful for scene veterans and newcomers alike.

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Summary

This episode epitomizes the spirit of HardLore: celebrating hardcore’s past and present, paying homage to the legends (Blood For Blood, Chain Reaction), reminiscing about tour and scene shenanigans, sharing practical wisdom, and never skimping on laughter and community. Essential listening for anyone who wants an honest, entertaining window into the end-of-year mindset of two scene lifers.

Transcript

[Colin]

Take us through your Spotify rap this year.

[Bo]

That's fun.

[Colin]

What's your listening age?

[Bo]

What's yours, Colin?

[Colin]

52?

[Bo]

83.

[Colin]

83.

[Bo]

It was 83, man.

[Colin]

You decrepit old bastard. 83 is crazy. Hello, welcome. It's Hard Lord Time. How you doing, Bo?

[Bo]

I'm good. I'm good. It's Christmas time, you know, It's. It's happening. It's all.

[Colin]

Let me ask you this. Let's start this off with a bang. Has it ever felt less like Christmas to you?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Or. Or am I just in my mid-30s?

[Bo]

I think you are in your mid-30s. In a place. What's the culture? What's the coldest? It's been.

[Colin]

Here.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

60.

[Bo]

Yeah. We were in single digits recently, so that's.

[Colin]

Christmas.

[Bo]

Got half a foot of snow, so it's. It's beginning to look a lot.

[Colin]

You know the song in the Grinch that.

[Bo]

Well, yes, of course.

[Colin]

That's how I feel. I really. I don't. Where. Well, how can I find Christmas this year? Maybe I'll find it in this episode.

[Bo]

Maybe you. I remember watching Edward Scissorhands as a kid and being like, wait, they don't have snow in California? Like, being like, how do they even celebrate Christmas? And then realizing that in Australia, it's just summer.

[Colin]

It's brutal, man. And I was thinking back recently, this is. We're jumping right into everything here because this is the end of the year Q and A, where we're just fucking around. All most of my memories of living in Connecticut, which was my entire childhood.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Our snow.

[Bo]

Yeah. You know, and when, you know, I don't know. I'm not trying to sound boomerash or anything, but I remember trick or treating in snow. Like, I remember 100% it starting early and historic blizzards, like, every year. And so for this year, we got a hefty amount of snow. It feels very. Feels very Christmassy. You got my tree up. Neighborhoods festive. It's great.

[Colin]

I've been so busy learning Donnybrook songs that maybe that's why it doesn't feel like Christmas, because my hands are bleeding from Donnybrook songs.

[Bo]

It's not very festive of you, you.

[Colin]

Know, but it's for a Christmas show. So maybe at the show, while I'm playing, I'll feel the magic of Christmas entering me.

[Bo]

Speaking of the magic of Christmas entering you, how was Boston?

[Colin]

It was great. Boston for the children. Truly a feat. I think that this. We've deduced that this was the second for the Children in Boston. But it's like a crazy level up. Two nights, 1500 cap.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

Sold out both nights. Unbelievable sets all around. Day one was Fiddlehead Bane. Day two was Haywire. Twitching tongues. Skinhead fucking yellow. Stitches had a crazy set. Very cool. Beautiful thing to see happen. I don't think it could have gone much better.

[Bo]

Great.

[Colin]

Yeah, it was. It was awesome. That venue is crazy. It's next to TD Garden in Boston. Oh, like where the Celtics and the Bruins play.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So night one, there's a Bruins game. Night two, there's a Bruins ceremony. So it's just like God chaos. But it was very cool. What else? Unbroken Wings played. That was nuts. I'll have to look at the schedule. Rude awakening.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

Did Hammer Bros. Song to close the set. So I wasn't. I was on cloud nine.

[Bo]

Yeah, it looked awesome. A little bit of fomo, you know, like that. That's one of those. Sometimes you'll see a thing, you'll be like, glad I stayed home. You know, for whatever reason. Nothing to do with the fest. This was one where I was like.

[Colin]

It was. It was really good. I remember there was a Night one, I think there was a mental cover before noon.

[Bo]

Incredible.

[Colin]

And that is. That's what's all about.

[Bo]

Gotta be a first.

[Colin]

And then. And then there was a Righteous Jams cover before one. It was great. Yeah. Bad Beat played Night one. The big. The big event was obviously the Haywire set.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It was like. This felt like a haywire show the whole time.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It was like, all right, let's get the Haywire guys. They opened with Impression that I get with Dickie.

[Bo]

They opened with it.

[Colin]

Opened with it.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

So, I mean, they had to get him out of there, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

He's in Boston.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's mass hysteria when this man shows up. But it was very cool. I talked to him very briefly backstage because my dad was one of the tech managers. Briefly. For Jimmy Kimmel Live.

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

Which is just like the guy who sets up the technical gear in the back. And while Dickie was the band leader.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin]

And I guess several times our dad would punish him about twitching tongues. Being like, you know, my sons are in a band.

[Bo]

No shit.

[Colin]

And Dickie had absolutely no memory of it. He was like, who's your dad? I was like, his name's Dan. He's high as hell all the time. And he was like, nah, I don't know. So that was cool. But it was really cool.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Had to. Had to dive, participate.

[Bo]

Saw that. It was funny seeing short Hair Colin in whatever you were wearing, like track pant kind of thing. Hard. I like didn't recognize you and until I realized I was like, oh, that's. Oh.

[Colin]

I would say even me seeing a video of it was like, that's 19 year old Colin, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah, I like that. I. I don't know his name, I've certainly met him, but I like that. Stage right, Haywire man picked up the sax.

[Colin]

Oh, dude, it was perfect.

[Bo]

That's crazy.

[Colin]

It was truly remarkable. And like. And then they played an hour long set.

[Bo]

Holy shit.

[Colin]

Where they're just so dialed in, dude.

[Bo]

They're just.

[Colin]

The pro is pro. Yeah. Band at this point, they're ready next level. But yeah, it was, it was, it was beautiful and it's all like that. My favorite thing about these events is obviously a dude. Blood for Blood. What?

[Bo]

How'd it go?

[Colin]

Crazy.

[Bo]

How'd it go?

[Colin]

Dude, it was unreal. Playing after them was the worst shit ever because it was so good.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And it's like I've known about it for forever now because Taylor, my brother Taylor and our friend Jimmy, good friend Jimmy, are co managing this new era of Blood for Blood and helped put it together, got the members together. The new Blood for Blood is Rob Pete Morrissey on center box. Jamie Push Button on drums.

[Bo]

So cool.

[Colin]

OG bass player Ian McFarlane on bass. And Big Justin, the fourth strongest man in America on guitar. It's perfect, dude. And two of them are from Connecticut, so they're a Connecticut hardcore band now, which is amazing. It was, it was. Dude, it was unreal.

[Bo]

Did you. Were you not able to participate because you had to sing?

[Colin]

I was right. I was warming up on stage.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

While watching them just going like, like humming their songs instead of warming up backstage. Dude, it was unbelievable. And then of course I had to play after them and before Haywire, after the Beatles, before Oasis. Yeah, pretty, pretty rough, rough spot. They fucked me. But nevertheless we persist and it was fine. Yeah, that was incredible. But my favorite thing about these events is it's the society's outcasts are doing this amazing thing for kids, you know.

[Bo]

Every year, whether it's the LA one or now the Boston one. When I see the picture of the truck full of toys or the room or whatever, it's like the toys, suddenly they're no longer units or like faceless. Like each one of those is going to a kid one or more, you know, it's amazing. And that's like, that's beautiful. That is a beautiful thing. And you don't See, that's hardcore. That's hardcore. Exactly. I don't. You don't really see other stuff doing that. I don't even see like my, my neighborhood does like a coat drive. There's like three in there, you know.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

I don't know. It's just, it's a. It's a really cool thing. I think it's really special.

[Colin]

Keep it going. Every, every region, every state, every city should have a. A big Christmas show. Make it happen.

[Bo]

Speaking of Haywire, we're playing with them at the time of that this comes out. It'll be in two days. It's Gucci Mane, icp, Harm's Way, Trash Talk, Haywire and another hip hop guy opening who I. I forget at the Aragon Ballroom, which is crazy. Never been there. I have no idea what to expect. I have no concept of. I. I don't even know if the people who are going to be there to see Gucci Mane, who goes on at like 1:00am by the way, if they're going to be aware of what's going to happen to their clothes. Oh, before Gucci Mane, like, oh, I want to get a good spot. I want to get on the barricade so I can see Gucci maneuver. Do they know about ICP and you know like in all the fago. Like I have no gimmick, no idea what to expect.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

But I'm pumped. Should be fun.

[Colin]

I'll need a report back on.

[Bo]

Yeah, I'm going to report back on that one. But you know what it's funny is I'm looking forward to seeing Haywire at a huge venue like that because they just got off the road in Europe. Did playing big ass rooms like that. Yeah. So I'm. I'm excited to, to see how that all pans out.

[Colin]

Let me. I'm looking at the full lineup here. Night one. Oh yeah. Down Presser played. I played. I'm in Down Pressure, which is always fun.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

Risk and Revenge, two great Boston bands played right before us. That was fantastic. Inclination was there. Chris Mills from Harm's Way plays drums for them.

[Bo]

How'd he do?

[Colin]

He did great. He thought he did shitty.

[Bo]

He.

[Colin]

He did great.

[Bo]

He's the best.

[Colin]

But the first before he said hello to me, he hit me with the. Did you bring your drum stuff? Scumbag. Love him word for word. Played Boston OG Boston Bad beat. Played incredible. Never Back down, which is members of Flushwater, Haywire, Etc, John and his brother.

[Bo]

How many bands did Austin playing?

[Colin]

I think four. Never Back Down. Recollection Rude Awakening.

[Bo]

Skinhead Haywire.

[Colin]

Oh. Skinhead 5.

[Bo]

Sit back. Yeah.

[Colin]

Crazy Balmora played fantastic.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

Matt Korekis played fantastic. What a guy. Night two, Sewing opened. Soulless was next. They had a bunch of songs about Connecticut, which I loved. Sin Against Sin was absolutely insane. Legit insane. And they played it like noon.

[Bo]

Whoa. Okay.

[Colin]

Band fucking rips. Fatal Realm. Fantastic.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

One of the best bands today. Recollections first show. Members of Skinhead, Haywire, Rude Awakening, Etc. Fantastic. No Guard. Who did the split with Haywire? They played that was crazy. CMI play. That was crazy.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

Rude Awakening. Fantastic. Love them very. I haven't seen them in forever. Close with the Hammer, bro. Song. Come on, Coa.

[Bo]

The mayor dude, all the pictures of him in the Santa outfit, like, destroy me.

[Colin]

The picture that Mike took in the green room from below is so good.

[Bo]

It's so good.

[Colin]

He really is Santa. Fuming mouth. Unbelievable. Mark. The best skin headset was top three.

[Bo]

It looks awesome. Yeah, it looks insane. Yeah.

[Colin]

They opened with Surrender by Cheap Trick.

[Bo]

I saw that, the whole thing.

[Colin]

I was like, surely they're not doing the third verse? And they did the third verse.

[Bo]

Yeah. Wow.

[Colin]

It was incredible. Yellow Stitches was insane. Really insane.

[Bo]

So cool.

[Colin]

Certified lit as hell on broken wings Scurry Boston royalty.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

The Claps. You would not believe the. The DB of these claps. It was insane. Fantastic. Blood for Blood played. Then we had to play after them once again.

[Bo]

And you did the only living Witness cover, which I've never seen you do.

[Colin]

Brought it back for the homie. Heavy Riffage fiend.

[Bo]

No shit.

[Colin]

I saw him post a video of us doing it, and I was like, damn, I totally forgot that we ever did that. Gotta. Gotta give it back for. For my boy. Heavy Riffic Fiend. One of the most supportive online guys in history.

[Bo]

It's. It's. Yeah, it's David from San Diego.

[Colin]

David. Yeah. Dude.

[Bo]

And Heavy Riffic feet David.

[Colin]

Oh, my God.

[Bo]

You guys sounded great.

[Colin]

Thanks, man.

[Bo]

Yeah. I'm not even, like. I'm not blowing smoke. That is not. Jonah has a crazy voice. That's not an easy song to sing. And you sounded great.

[Colin]

Thanks, man. I appreciate it. I worked really hard on it. And that was one of the fun things about it was after seeing that clip was from, like, 2011.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

My first thought was like, I bet I could do that better now.

[Bo]

Nice. Nice.

[Colin]

Never practice it with Sean.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin]

So he just showed up, rocked it. Unbelievable.

[Bo]

Fantastic.

[Colin]

All right, you want to get to this Q A?

[Bo]

Let's get to this Q A.

[Colin]

Let's do it. First question.

[Bo]

Ask a lot. How is for the children.

[Colin]

There's. That is definitely in there. First question.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Are you and Bo floor punch straight edge or Earth crisis straight edge.

[Bo]

No offense meant to Earth crisis straight edge or anything, but I'm shocked that anyone would even have to ask that about me. Well, I am such.

[Colin]

The music you play alters the. The answer.

[Bo]

Yeah, but the.

[Colin]

The music played youth crew in.

[Bo]

Yeah, but the. The guy who sings in the band. We have two matching youth today. Tattoos.

[Colin]

Okay. Yeah, I understand.

[Bo]

You know what I mean? It's like I'm definitely floor punch straight edge.

[Colin]

I. I think you are.

[Bo]

I think I agree 1000%. I'm. I'm much more. Much more interested in floor punching and stage diving sing along than I am spin kicking. And I do think that that's a difference.

[Colin]

It is big time. I am. I am scientifically Earth crisis straight edge. Mainly because Earth crisis is the reason I'm straight edge.

[Bo]

Yeah, there you go.

[Colin]

I think that's, you know, yin and yang. It's a black and white cookie. You know, neither of them would be as good with just one half.

[Bo]

Look to the cookie.

[Colin]

Look to the cookie.

[Bo]

I wonder if there is a modern equivalent of that. Like, I think it's perfect. It doesn't know of Earth crisis versus floor punch straight edge. Like we don't need to replace it. I'm just curious what the a modern equivalent would be.

[Colin]

It would be like have heart and I don't know.

[Bo]

I don't know.

[Colin]

There's nobody's fucking straight edge anymore.

[Bo]

Yeah. Who's the heaviest straight edge band right now? I don't know.

[Colin]

I couldn't. God's hate.

[Bo]

I have the God's hate straight Ed shirt. See, you better believe I got it. We go with the non straight edge guy on.

[Colin]

That's right. But honorary. Dubbed honorary.

[Bo]

Dubbed honorary by the.

[Colin]

You do.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Number one guest you want for 2026.

[Bo]

Realistically. Realistically, I think it's possible. Jerry Cantrell.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah, that's definitely possible.

[Bo]

I think it's possible. I think it's he. And no, obviously, meaning no offense, I don't think he would be as hard to reach as Glenn or someone from Metallica or something. I think it's possible. And I've wanted to talk to him forever.

[Colin]

So he's a merch collective guy. So he's one degree away.

[Bo]

You know, there we go.

[Colin]

We got guys that know.

[Bo]

There we go. How about you?

[Colin]

There's one that I've been blowing you up about that. I'm obsessed about that. I don't want to say because I think it is happening.

[Bo]

Okay. I.

[Colin]

And it's one. It's. Nobody would expect.

[Bo]

No one would guess this ever. And it would be crazy.

[Colin]

It will be crazy.

[Bo]

It will be crazy. It's very Kanye of you. Yes, it will. Yeah. It will be crazy. And that makes perfect sense as your answer.

[Colin]

I agree, you guys. What I will say about him is he's a director, composer, and there you go. And it's in the works, if you believe it.

[Bo]

It's crazy.

[Colin]

Christopher Vega asked most chuffed you've been all year.

[Bo]

Oh, man.

[Colin]

Isn't that a great question?

[Bo]

Chuffed up.

[Colin]

I'd say I was very chuffed in. In my. My week in England before Outbreak Fest. Chuffed. Oh, what's more, you gotta be proper chuffed. Yeah. That's when you're having a chippy, you know. That was beautiful. Oasis. I was very chuffed.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

Davey. Davey Day was. We were very chuffed.

[Bo]

The. The hour after Davey was the most chuffed. I probably was. The whole.

[Colin]

We were euphoric.

[Bo]

It. It was really crazy. I went out to eat with a friend of mine the other night, and the first one of the first things he said to me when he sat down was like, was Davey nice to you? It really was. Yeah, absolutely, dude.

[Colin]

That's why the comments.

[Bo]

The.

[Colin]

There's like. So those reels are still, like, they're popping, exploding.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

All day it's going off and people are like, this guy's so arrogant and, like, they think he's, like, being mean to us in parts, and it's like, bro, we made these clips.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

I'm sitting. We're sitting there.

[Bo]

This isn't Davey Havoc's YouTube channel.

[Colin]

No, we. We didn't feel that way ever. Even when he's, like, doing the bit of, like. Did you listen to the rest of the song? We're having fun.

[Bo]

Yeah. You know, that's. I never at once.

[Colin]

Rib. That was the most chuffed for sure.

[Bo]

Definitely.

[Colin]

Oh, here we go. Best meal you each had in 2025.

[Bo]

Wow. God, have to look at my belly. Taylor took me to two Bavettes.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah. For my birthday. That was really, really great.

[Colin]

The.

[Bo]

I had a meal of beef, tongue, and wagyu that I happened upon in Tokyo. I was like, I'll try that. And it was fucking phenomenal. The weird thing about eating tongue, like, because it was served like steak, it's like slices of tongue is it feels like when you bite your own Tongue. That texture. So it's a little bizarre, but it was delicious. I'm trying to think of another one. What do you got?

[Colin]

I think mine might have been. Mine was either the crackling pork sandwich in London. You know what I'm talking about?

[Bo]

Mm.

[Colin]

Didn't you have it?

[Bo]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The viral.

[Colin]

Yeah, that thing was insane.

[Bo]

That thing was awesome.

[Colin]

Little fish. Melrose Hill soft opening was unbelievable. And then the other. The meal I had the other night at MOO in Boston.

[Bo]

It looks good, dude. Looked awesome.

[Colin]

The bisque came baked with a, like, souffle crust.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

So when you put a fork through.

[Bo]

It goes with filo. Yeah.

[Colin]

And it all just falls straight in there. It was unbelievable. The beef tartare was smoked, so it was raw, but smoked. So you pull up, they pull off this thing and smoke fills the restaurant. And everybody around me was like, that smells so good.

[Bo]

It's the chili's equivalent.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't. Don't look at my food. And then I had the. The beef Wellington, which was one of my favorite things.

[Bo]

Yeah, that's. Man. Remember when we got the beef Wellington in Michigan for that for free?

[Colin]

Unbelievable.

[Bo]

Oh, that was so good. I've been getting a ton of the bear clips in my algorithm lately, so I'm, like, kind of foodied right now, and I want to, like, watch it again, you know, and. Yeah, that sounds great. That sounds great.

[Colin]

All right, here we go. Moving on.

[Bo]

Oh, dishoom. Also went to dishoom in the, like, the beginning of the year, and that was a highlight. I almost forgot.

[Colin]

It is great. It is great. I went three times when I was there.

[Bo]

Did you really? Three times.

[Colin]

Three times. Twice to the shortage, once to the Manchester one.

[Bo]

Oh, okay. Yeah. It's not Law Merch. I got you.

[Colin]

It's not Law Merch.

[Bo]

And.

[Colin]

And like, you agree, right?

[Bo]

Wholeheartedly agree.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

But it felt good to. Oh, yeah, go to the thing.

[Colin]

Yeah, I totally.

[Bo]

And to be able to have that opinion.

[Colin]

Have the thing in the place where it was born, dude.

[Bo]

Because the thing is, Law Merch has that deep fried paneer, and that doesn't exist else I've tried. I can't find it here. It's not in Chicago. You know what I mean? It's a very. I think it's a unique thing.

[Colin]

It's unbelievable.

[Bo]

That is fuego.

[Colin]

What are your guys opinions on American Nightmare? Suing Cody Rhodes and the WWE for the use of the name.

[Bo]

I am Wes. Get that money.

[Colin]

Get that bag.

[Bo]

Dude, you kidding me? They own the name the W you think WWE wouldn't do the op? The opposite thing.

[Colin]

They 100% would. Dude.

[Bo]

If you. If you named a band Stone Cold Steve Austin, they'd come right the. For you.

[Colin]

100. They. They did it to fucking Westside Gun a week ago.

[Bo]

You know, not only does Wes and. And have the precedent, they own the name. And they went through hell to get that name. They lost it.

[Colin]

They lost it. So they're gonna. They're gonna defend it.

[Bo]

They were American Nightmare then. They were American Nothing. Briefly. I used to have a shirt. I sold it for a lot of money. When shirts weren't going for a lot then. Then they were giving up the ghost. Then they went back. So they went through hell for that.

[Colin]

Get the bag, Wes. Fuck the Fed, dude.

[Bo]

Absolutely.

[Colin]

Do what you gotta do. Straight up. And it's like they knew what they knew. They fucked up, you know, of course they were told specifically what they could and could not do and then broke that rule. And everybody online, including Dustin Rhodes, being like, nobody knows who you are, Wesley.

[Bo]

It's just like you're a loser.

[Colin]

You're not. You. You don't. You're not part of this. You have nothing to do with this many people. Any. Everybody in this subculture knows who Wes.

[Bo]

Is and that even. It doesn't even matter.

[Colin]

Doesn't matter.

[Bo]

He owns it.

[Colin]

It's done.

[Bo]

Or they own it. I don't know that. I don't know who owns it, but it's owned. It's not for use.

[Colin]

It is.

[Bo]

And what's funny is it's a. It's a misfit song.

[Colin]

It's a. Misfits. Yeah, I agree. Okay. If you could sign one now defunct or on hiatus band to Hard Lore Records to put out one final project, what group would it be? Floor Punch.

[Bo]

Wow. Great answer. You know, that was so fast. Wow.

[Colin]

Give me one more, guys. I know you got it in you, King Shot. I know you can play. I know you're still jamming.

[Bo]

Yeah. What? Yeah.

[Colin]

What if also doesn't Minor Threat practice like every week?

[Bo]

What? Really?

[Colin]

What I'm told is that they. They get together and play, like, all the time.

[Bo]

Wow. I would love to get to the bottom of that someday.

[Colin]

Let's do a Minor Threat record. How about that?

[Bo]

Or do. What about like a. Like an underdog record? Oh, like just put out a little. Little ep.

[Colin]

That would feel good. Even if it's just reggae. Whatever you guys are feeling.

[Bo]

Literally. Literally.

[Colin]

All right, here we go. Any plans or aspirations to get over to Ireland in 2026? Sure.

[Bo]

Bring us, dude.

[Colin]

Aspirations. Yes.

[Bo]

Plans.

[Colin]

Always plans. I don't know. Not just yet, but that sounds awesome. I would like to go everywhere.

[Bo]

Are you Irish? Is your family or.

[Colin]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Bo]

So we both, you know, we'd love to go. Yeah, I've never been.

[Colin]

We've got rocks on the, on the blarney, you know. Yeah, we've got some, some chisels on there. Okay, question for both. This is a great question. Okay. Because you're very. I know, I know how dedicated you are. Question for Bo. How have you managed to keep up your health and fitness whilst being so busy on tour? Your hard work is visible and very commendable.

[Bo]

Thank you. I appreciate that. On tour, five out of five of us go to the gym, so it's actually really easy. The entire band will either go to Hawaii, MCA if we can find one, or we go to an anytime because a few of us have anytime memberships and that's my home gym. And we just go. And we only go like three times a week. But also, you know, on tour, especially if you're playing like 40 minutes a night, like you're doing cardio.

[Colin]

Crazy cardio. Yeah.

[Bo]

You can, you can kind of eat like a. And I, you know, as I'm getting older, my sweet tooth is weaning and I'm more concerned with like the proteins in my meal and, and, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then at home, I just, just stay on top of it. As soon as we're done with this, I'm gonna walk in, walking my little ass right across the street and going to the gym.

[Colin]

That's right. That's right.

[Bo]

But thank you.

[Colin]

Once you're in maintenance mode, which you are.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Three days a week is fine.

[Bo]

It truly is. And it's nice to kind of. Honestly, it's kind of a cut, weirdly. Because you're doing more on tour.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's the ultimate cut.

[Bo]

You're doing weight.

[Colin]

That is where I initially lost weight and kept it off.

[Bo]

Yeah, you're doing more cardio. You're not eating as much as you would like, probably. And if you are, like now, if I go to a gas station, I don't grab chips. I grab a diet whatever and hard boiled eggs or something, you know what I mean? Like, it's like I'm eating pretty, pretty good. So. Thank you for saying that. I really appreciate that.

[Colin]

It's true. Very good.

[Bo]

Thank you.

[Colin]

Number one band, you with that. Almost everyone else unanimously does not with Cohen Cambria, like in hardcore world, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's A tough sell to a lot of people, but I love them. I always have.

[Bo]

Oh, that's a good question. I. I know it's. It's funny to say that like a classic rock band is not with. When it's like they're probably the most with.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Worldwide. But like, I recreationally often listen to the whole.

[Colin]

I feel you.

[Bo]

You know what I'm saying?

[Colin]

I'd say in your. In your subculture and genre maybe, but yeah, outside of hardcore.

[Bo]

Oh yeah, outside. Outside of hardcore, they're like a top 10 rock band for sure. I'm not. I'm not saying. I'm just saying.

[Colin]

No, no, I. I think that's a good call. Joseph Grignoli asked what was. Was Chain of Strength ever Edge or was it all a front? That's a great question, Joseph.

[Bo]

Don't know.

[Colin]

I think a lot of the proto Straight Edge bands just. There was no rules really set in stone yet.

[Bo]

I think they, as. As we've said, they were edge fluid. For real? Yeah, like for real.

[Colin]

Alberil, we don't know that. It was a lifetime commitment for him. You know, based on what Nancy says it was. Some have said it wasn't. You never know. I think the proto Edge bands, it was. They were very much like learning as they went. And I do. But I do think what's funny is I think Bo and I separately or. And together have been straight edge longer than in our lives, than many of the, like, founding fathers of Straight Edge.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

Which, you know, which makes us founding fathers.

[Bo]

It's just one of those things that's like. I think it was such a break away from what was so normal in the punk rock genre.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Getting up and. And doing whatever was so normal that even being like, hey, I didn't do that for a few months. And I think we should all not do that or do it less or whatever it is. That's forward thinking, you know.

[Colin]

Agree.

[Bo]

I definitely think so.

[Colin]

Agreed.

[Bo]

I definitely think so.

[Colin]

Adam Marshall asked, when's the musical collab between the two of you happening, man? Asap, baby.

[Bo]

It's. We have an idea that I've not given up on or anything. We have. We have an idea.

[Colin]

I love that idea.

[Bo]

It's a good idea. We're just. This guy's in five fucking bands. He's six. But I'm ready for that one.

[Colin]

I'm ready for that one.

[Bo]

Yeah, we just got it.

[Colin]

I need a distraction from the other five. I need a six.

[Bo]

Totally. So soon. Maybe 20, 26.

[Colin]

Yeah, I like that idea. Let's do it. What made you laugh the hardest in 2025?

[Bo]

Oh, man.

[Colin]

What was our hardest laugh on the show?

[Bo]

Should start writing these moments down.

[Colin]

I know. You know, like, oh, that was a good laugh.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on. Belly. A belly laugh.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Belly app, I think.

[Colin]

I think Naked Gun remake from Was. Was a lot of hard laugh. Really A lot. Dude, it's incredible. There's a punchline every 30 seconds.

[Bo]

Damn.

[Colin]

It's crazy.

[Bo]

My hardest. What was you. Do you think the hardest we laughed on the show.

[Colin]

I don't know.

[Bo]

It's probably something with, like, this. With just you and me.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Honestly, the ads have been.

[Colin]

Ads, dude. Ads get us every week, Guys.

[Bo]

If you skip the ads, I understand it, because I would skip ads, too. Like, I totally get it.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

We're not giving them like, everybody else, baby. Okay.

[Colin]

No, and, you know, sometimes we. There was a streak where we had to reuse because we were on. You were on tour. But whenever we're doing fresh ads, we're having so much fun. Like, just wait. The ads in this episode are going to rock.

[Bo]

Just. You got to listen to them. That's typically. We get done and we'll hit on stop on the recording or whatever, and we just like, dude, what are we doing? Like, this is. This is ridiculous.

[Colin]

We'll just send them a Stephen. Like, see what you can do with that. Good luck. Mount Rushmore of exercises to prevent hurt. Herniated discs in the pit.

[Bo]

Oh. As someone with a severely herniated disc, I have found. Oh, this is actually really pertinent. This is good. Three things. Three major things that have helped me. Do not do anything where you're compressing your spine. Don't touch your toes. Don't bend forward. Hyperextend, go the other way. So go up to a railing and bend all the way back and hold that.

[Colin]

See, that's. I can't fully advise. That's for your back, for sure. For the disc. Yes.

[Bo]

For.

[Colin]

For those. For my spin kickers out there. Loosen those hammies up.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But that. This is two and three.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So I'm saying hyperextend for herniated discs. Don't bend forward. A big reason why a lot of us get herniated discs is from sitting too much. Your hips get so tight. You got to stretch those hips out, baby. The way you stretch out your hips without hyperextending is you could do, like, cobra. You know, you get all the way in your tummy. You do like, half a push up.

[Colin]

That'S one of the best.

[Bo]

Arch your back all the way up. My favorite one is your. Your. This is hilarious to talk about on the show, but get into, like, the lunging pose, right? One knee up, then you're on your knee on the other one. Take a band and wrap it around the foot that's backwards and pull it. And then you just lean forward and you let your. Your quad and this front hip flexor just stretch. And you just sit in that for 60 seconds and then switch the other one and then do it again. And then, dude, my biggest one that has helped me so much with my back. Dead Hanks. Grab a bar and.

[Colin]

I mean, that's the greatest.

[Bo]

Hang for as long as you can.

[Colin]

God damn, dude. Hang for 30 seconds a day straight. I start, and the decompression you will feel from that. You will literally physically feel your body falling back into place, elongating. It's crazy.

[Bo]

I start every exercise, every workout with that, and then I end with it, too. I'm actually going to install a bar on my porch because I want to just be able to do helps so much so.

[Colin]

Those are a great question, Pete.

[Bo]

Yeah, great question. I totally understand it.

[Colin]

Let's see. This is funny. This is a good question. This is from Wolverine has the Blues. Do you pick slash plan your shirts with whatever you're filming or think it's a cool shirt associated with whatever's going on? Example, into another shirt during Coheed? No, I mean, for traveling, I'll just look at a couple sick ones and be like, that's sick. I'd wear that on the show. The.

[Bo]

The only thing I really think about when it comes to filming stuff is, do I look fat in this? Or, like, do I look okay in this?

[Colin]

That's every minute of my life.

[Bo]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I don't want to. I didn't. So I was very much like, okay, for the Claudio episode, which is probably going to be pretty big, I'm gonna wear a nice Fred Perry ringer that anybody would look good in kind of a thing.

[Colin]

Yeah, I'll think I'll try. I'll just have to consciously be like, wear a shirt of the person I'm talking to. Yeah, for sure that'll happen. Or. But otherwise, it's just like. And sometimes it'll be, I want to put something over, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah. Oh, dude. Like, for example, when we did the Speed episode, I wore a chain shirt because I wanted to put over an Australian band. I knew Australian people were going to be Watching that episode. There you go. So, yeah, that's a good.

[Colin]

Gotta put them over. That's. That's kind of rule number one is like, okay, who. If I'm. If a lot of times I won't think about it. I'll just grab something.

[Bo]

I see. Yeah.

[Colin]

But when I do think about it, it's so whoever's watching it will be psyched. Who are I'm talking to will be psyched.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And it's like. It's the same thing as watching like. Like I've said many times, the machine head dynamo set where my brother and I first saw a Neurosis T shirt.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

So you. So you check out Neurosis from there.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's the same thing as watching a band on stage. Liking the shirt. We like that. We love a shirt.

[Bo]

This is. I just wanted to put over a little folk band called Crosby, Stills and Nash.

[Colin]

Ah, totally.

[Bo]

I put that on today. Throw him a bone, you know.

[Colin]

Good. Yeah, put them over. Any possibility of a Ned Russin interview. That sounds fantastic.

[Bo]

Yeah, we would love that.

[Colin]

We'd love to have all of them.

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

Severally together. Whatever. Here we go. Wolverine has the lose once again. Asks best, slash, worst, worst pieces of music equipment you've ever personally owned.

[Bo]

Oh, that's a great question. Let's see.

[Colin]

Worst.

[Bo]

Worst would be the first. The first. And Anthony Gonzalez, probably. I think he actually owns this amp, so I think he like loves it. Crate made these furry heads. They were like carpeted and furry. They're like the G H 1002 or 1000s or something like that. And it was just Dog. Mental borrowed it one time. What was that? What was that other band? Not Dead Stop. Another Belgian band that Mental toured with around that time. Justice justice borrowed it one time on the same tour. Sounded like ball sack and it was a solid state amp. It sucked.

[Colin]

I. I really did not connect with the quad cortex.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But obviously it's amazing.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's an unbelievable piece of technology.

[Bo]

It's like saying. It's like saying you didn't connect with a particular camera. 100. Obviously that camera is a work of art. It's just not 100%. Yeah, that makes sense about that.

[Colin]

It's about the photographer.

[Bo]

I can accept that.

[Colin]

It just wasn't. It wasn't for. For what I was doing wasn't the right move. It's unbelievable. I'm sure given another six months with it or a week with it, I would have figured it out if I.

[Bo]

Could have come over and like shown you. Yeah, exactly. Exact things. I think it would have made a slight difference, but like it was a little overkill for what you needed for sure.

[Colin]

I'm. I'm also just. I'm analog pilled, you know? Yeah, I'm pilled. I'm. I'm pilled. It is what it is. Best piece of music gear would obviously be my Dunnable R2 V2 custom. The. The. The V2 of my V2, my newest one right there. And it's spectacular. I'm gonna tell you all about it in a second.

[Bo]

Great segue, boy. Is it. Did it say this year or just ever? Oh, best ever little thing called the quad cortex. I really can't.

[Colin]

Okay. I like that.

[Bo]

I cannot imagine listener, anybody who doesn't know what this thing can do just in one sentence. The elevator pitch of this thing. Any knob on an. In an entire signal chain from every pedal to volume to EQ to amp settings to an actual amp, whatever, can all change with one click of a button. You can set every single knob, everything that's adjustable to change with one click.

[Colin]

Yeah, I liked that.

[Bo]

That brings me so much joy because I was on such a quest to use effect switchers and do all this shit and everything. I had everything analog and it just never worked right. And this finally works. Right.

[Colin]

There you go. Because then, you know. Different strokes.

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

Folks, etc. As someone who has written a total of zero minutes of music in their life, when writing slash playing, what is the point of bass? Oh, is the bass always doing the same thing as the guitar or is it separate? I'm sure it varies from band to band, but I've always been curious. I would say until 1980, Bass is like the most important thing on any recording. Oh, it's like a very modern thing. That bass is like a background second.

[Bo]

Thought, you know, Especially in hardcore and aggressive music.

[Colin]

Hardcore. Cuz in like with like rock or funk or jazz, dude, the bass is like the bass and the drums together. The star of the show.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

A lot of the times guitar is the afterthought.

[Bo]

Guitar. Yeah. Here. Here's a really easy way to think about it. Piano. It's two hands. Imagine just taking off the left hand and you only have the one. You don't have the stuff underneath the mel. The melody which is typically the right hand. If you want a good example of this, listen to Injustice for All and then listen to Injustice for Jason and see what. What he did. Because he wasn't just following what James was playing, he started adding bass stuff. And you listen to Injustice for Jason. I. His opinion of that. I've heard an interview that he's like, that's not what we put out. So I don't endorse that. And I'm stupid.

[Colin]

It's not what. It's not even what they recorded. It's what they put out. It's not what they made, you know.

[Bo]

What do you mean?

[Colin]

He recorded bass?

[Bo]

He recorded bass, but he. Yeah, he's. He's waffling for sure. He's. He's saying, this. This wasn't the vision. Whatever.

[Colin]

It was 100 division.

[Bo]

Listen.

[Colin]

It was the producer's vision. It was everybody's vision. But Lars.

[Bo]

Well, dude, do you know where. Where he was like, we recorded bass, didn't we?

[Colin]

And the guy's like, you.

[Bo]

He's like, dude, I will kill you. Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So if you want a good example of what bass can do is just look up, go on YouTube. A B between the two.

[Colin]

It's bass is a lot like mastering.

[Bo]

Yeah. It gives you a frequency where you go, oh, you.

[Colin]

You. You know it. You don't know it when you hear it. You know it when you don't.

[Bo]

Great way to put it there. We. Great look at. Dude. The impression that I get. The guitars during the verse are all upbeat, all clean, and the bass is going for. He's going for a marathon.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

He's going nuts.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

That's. That's. That's a good example. It's not. It's kind of atypical bass classically, but.

[Colin]

One of my favorite bass lines is the chorus of Wuthering Heights by Kate Bush.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

Because it's. There's. It is doing. It's obviously the chords like the. The key is the same, but it is doing its complete own do, do, do, do. No other instrument is doing that. Yeah, that's my.

[Bo]

And that.

[Colin]

That was what music was.

[Bo]

Yeah. Another.

[Colin]

For the most part.

[Bo]

Another good example that comes to mind for what bass can really do is Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel.

[Colin]

Come on.

[Bo]

The bass is insane. It's doing all this cool slap shit. It's doing all. And it's so in the pocket. To your point about being the rhythm section. It's. It's all kick and snare, boom, ding, ding, ding, boom. It's like. It's fucking awesome. So I understand not under. If you're not a musically inclined person, not getting it.

[Colin]

Especially in hardcore, it is an afterthought a lot. 99% of the time in hardcore, it's doing what the guitar is doing.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But if you turned it off, you would know perfectly Said and justice for bass, Colin and Bo. If Paul Thomas Anderson could direct a music video for you, what band and song would it be for We God's hate literally tried. He's from the Valley. He's like the Valley's greatest champion. And his nephew I played in a band with. So. Yeah, his name's Dan. He sang for a band called Inert.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin]

His nephew's a Corman.

[Bo]

I had no idea.

[Colin]

Yeah. So I. I don't. I don't think word ever got to him, but I did go, come on. He's directed these Heim videos, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

But imagine what he could do with the Valley beyond.

[Bo]

Are they. Are they Valley champs as well?

[Colin]

Oh, big time.

[Bo]

That's big time.

[Colin]

It's awesome. Opinions on Tarantino's egregious. Paul Dano, Owen Wilson, Matthew Lillard, slander.

[Bo]

I just don't give a shit. I don't care. That guy's dude.

[Colin]

Paul Dano's unbelievable.

[Bo]

Paul Dano's unbelievable. Awesome. Matthew Lillard is awesome.

[Colin]

Owen Wilson.

[Bo]

Owen Wilson is.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Bo]

He's amazing. But I don't.

[Colin]

Tarantino is an incredible artist who's also a complete loser.

[Bo]

He's a. Yeah, he's just. I think he's. He says stuff to just hear his own voice and to get a pop, you know? Yeah. 100. Who cares?

[Colin]

I like everything he's ever done.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Which sucks because he's the. He's clearly the worst.

[Bo]

You know, he could be. For sure.

[Colin]

So there you go. That's. That's the opinion.

[Bo]

I have a really hard time feeling bad for millionaires.

[Colin]

100%. That too. Yeah, that's very true.

[Bo]

He hurt my feelings. Now I'm going to go to my fucking mansion. Like, shut up.

[Colin]

Yeah, I agree. Nicholas Koch said, hey, I'm the 911 shirt guy. He sent me a 911 shirt. And I'm also the guy who saw you at Neptune Oyster Bar in Boston. That did happen. Hey, Nick. Nicholas. Curious if that place also gave you a stomach issue as it terrorized me. No, I don't think it did. I think I was good. Maybe you got a different oyster than I did. Yeah, I wish that I had gotten. I think the place was good. It's a classic.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

I wish I got all oysters. I thought everything else was just fine.

[Bo]

What else did you get?

[Colin]

Got a lobster roll, which was good. Got a clam chowder that was really runny.

[Bo]

No good.

[Colin]

It was very soupy. I'm in Boston.

[Bo]

Yeah. It's not a chowder. It's no good.

[Colin]

I don't know. Now you know.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Have we bastardized it into being something that. I think it.

[Bo]

I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Colin]

Anybody get anything else? Oh, yeah, some. Some Ipswich clams, dude. The fried clams. Oh, come on.

[Bo]

I love seafood, dude. I love it so much.

[Colin]

It rules. Matt Rushmore. Pieces of physical media you own.

[Bo]

Okay, Remember the. Someone asked us that at the. The downbeat pod? We did and just had no idea what they were asking.

[Colin]

Yeah. That was weird. Halloween. Seven inch right there.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Unsilent death test press.

[Bo]

Damn.

[Colin]

Got some. You know, you got.

[Bo]

You got some stuff.

[Colin]

I got some stuff.

[Bo]

I have the Twitching Tongues lyric sheet that you sent me. The two lyric sheets that actually, legitimately is among my favorite things. The Walk Among Us. I have Can't Close My Eyes. Wishing well. And, oh, the picture of me in front of Danzig's house. I know it's not like physical media, you know? It's not. It's not. No. But it is. A photo of me with a piece of weed from his yard.

[Colin]

Ah.

[Bo]

In the frame.

[Colin]

I have kids will have their say. Signed by Al. That's pretty cool.

[Bo]

Yeah, I forgot about that.

[Colin]

Yeah, I got to frame that. Physical media does stings gloves signed by.

[Bo]

Sting count, like, wouldn't it. You know, media.

[Colin]

But I guess it's a thing.

[Bo]

It's not producing. It's kind of like what would you grab in a fire beside that isn't alive, you know?

[Colin]

Yeah, I'd probably grab this painting.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

This seven inch.

[Bo]

Just this wall.

[Colin]

This bag. Obviously. My monster fridge. Obviously. If you had 10 minutes, how many mozzarella sticks do you think you could eat? All right, 10 minutes.

[Bo]

I'm gonna ask some really practical questions. How fresh are they?

[Colin]

Blazing hot.

[Bo]

Blazing hot. Okay. That matters, obviously. Do I have cold marinara sauce?

[Colin]

Yeah, whatever you want.

[Bo]

And soda.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Okay, and one last. Are we talking chilies?

[Colin]

No, because those are 450cals each.

[Bo]

Oh, my God. Are we talking Burger King? Because they're that big.

[Colin]

No, I think just like a. Like a classic. Like. Like the restaurant cylindrical mozzarella crayola marker.

[Bo]

With.

[Colin]

Maybe a little thicker.

[Bo]

Okay. Marker.

[Colin]

Marker.

[Bo]

Yeah, Like a marker. Yeah, yeah. In 10 minutes.

[Colin]

10 minutes.

[Bo]

15.

[Colin]

Really?

[Bo]

Yeah. Dude, we do this every six months.

[Colin]

I think I could do. I think I could do 20. This is not could. This is not like would. It's could.

[Bo]

You know, I think you underestimate numbers. I don't think you. I don't think you count very well when it comes to this thing.

[Colin]

20 mozzarella sticks.

[Bo]

That's two a minute.

[Colin]

Yeah, I would do way more than two in a minute. First minute, I'd smash five. When I go to Alamo Drafthouse, I get. I get eight. And that's one serving, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah, I guess. And honestly, I'm. I'm actually kind of agreeing with you now. You do eat. Like whenever you get mozzarella sticks for the table, I'm always in my head, I'm like, are they going to eat that last 100% every time? Cuz they go quick. Okay.

[Colin]

I'm thinking 20.

[Bo]

I. I'm going to. Between 15 to 20, I think is okay. Realistic.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

You kind of got me there. A Moz pill, easily.

[Colin]

Now the chili's ones.

[Bo]

Four, dude. Four in ten minutes is crazy.

[Colin]

I do. I've. I do it and I've done it.

[Bo]

God, it's a thousand calories.

[Colin]

They are the fattest dumbass thing that you can eat.

[Bo]

They're so good.

[Colin]

It's literally the fattest of all time.

[Bo]

Oh, I would love to see like the portion of milk or, I'm sorry, of cheese.

[Colin]

Like what it looks like.

[Bo]

Not breaded.

[Colin]

You see that pole, dude?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It's gotta be. It's gotta be like three quarters of a pound per stick. A lot of protein.

[Bo]

Yeah. Jesus.

[Colin]

A mini baby bell is like 6 grams of protein.

[Bo]

Yeah. Isn't that crazy? I keep seeing these. These like Instagram reels and shorts and tiktoks of recipes with those things. And people are just throwing them in with the wax on. Like deep frying them with the wax on.

[Colin]

Why?

[Bo]

I don't know.

[Colin]

It's just because they know you'll stop and watch it when they do it. They're targeting you. AI getting AI. Not a question, but been a fan for years. Y' all inspire me to become sober. And last vice I have is nicotine. Today marks day eight. No nicotine.

[Bo]

Yo. I heard like two weeks and it's like you're really over the hill. The hump. That's what I've heard. I've never.

[Colin]

Congrats to you.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Unbelievable.

[Bo]

You know what's crazy?

[Colin]

Better than that?

[Bo]

Oh, that's the best.

[Colin]

Hearing that.

[Bo]

It's the best. That is as good as someone being like, checked out. Marauder. Pretty good.

[Colin]

You know, it's better.

[Bo]

Yeah. My mom smoked when I was a kid. Like, chain smoked in the house all the time. She actually, she smoked when I was a kid. She quit for a while. Then when we moved to Roselle, where I grew up, that she started smoking again. And then she eventually moved to Dallas and worked for the D A there for a while. Cigarettes were half the price, so she was chimney stack, you know, she moved back to Chicago in like 20, 18, 20, something like that. Quit cold turkey because the cost of cigarettes were so high. Wow, dude. A carton of cigarettes now. I mean, I'm sure It's expensive in LA too. It's nearly $200 in Chicago.

[Colin]

Good.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

That's how you do it, man.

[Bo]

You know what's so funny is they. That's how they tried to get rid of plastic bags in Chicago. And pop. They. They instituted pop tax and a bag tax, but everybody. Nothing is. It hasn't detoured anything.

[Colin]

No. Plastic bags are. What are they, 10 cents there?

[Bo]

10 cents? Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah. That's been going on here for like 10 years.

[Bo]

Yeah, it's been like five here. Maybe a little more.

[Colin]

Dude, 12 packs of soda used to be like four bucks, bro.

[Bo]

You used to be able to get like 3 for 10, 3 for 12.

[Colin]

It's insane. Now it's like $15 EV. Everything's fucked.

[Bo]

I cannot believe how expensive pop is. Like, genuinely. That one is like, wait, it's supposed to be cheap. If I buy a 12 pack, that's.

[Colin]

Like the cheap way the whole thing, it's up.

[Bo]

Oh, you know what else? You know what else hurts? When I leave the gym, I go to the Circle K and I grab like a muscle milk or a protein. The Fair life, you know, $8, 6 bucks. For real.

[Colin]

And they're barely cheaper, as in bulk. The fairlife ones are like $40 for the 12 pack.

[Bo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Colin]

It's horseshit. Dude, we gotta.

[Bo]

Just Drive me crazy, man.

[Colin]

Start over. Anthony Mingoya asked. Any tips or advice for dealing with depression slash lack of motivation? I would say.

[Bo]

I would love to know how old he is.

[Colin]

Yeah, I'm currently pretty unmotivated all around. I think that's just December though, you know, Seasonal.

[Bo]

Truly.

[Colin]

So. So, Anthony, you let me know if you figure something out.

[Bo]

I would. I'll have two quick answers. One, if I. When I was young and I was going through some shit, I just hung out, went out with my friends. Just be around your people. Play, do. Just do stuff with your friends. Go to shows, try to make music. If you don't do music, play video games, you don't do video games. Do. Go do a sport together. Do something with your friends and just get out of your head. Get out of your house. It will help every time as I'm older, when I'm. When I'm going through it, I find it's actually the opposite. I need me time. I need bow time. I need to decompress.

[Colin]

Need arc.

[Bo]

I need arc raiders. I need the gym. I literally, if it's nice enough out or what? Even if it's not, walk around with some headphones on and just enjoy outside little, little, little things. Clean my apartment. Oh, that's love cleaning. That makes me feel so good and centered and it helps me. I know it's tough to motivate. I'm tough to get motivated. If you're unmotivated to clean your apartment, I get that. But it's like one thing at a time. Take out the trash.

[Colin]

Yeah. Do those things make little goals?

[Bo]

Little goals, yeah.

[Colin]

But also don't feel bad about not accomplishing something, you know?

[Bo]

Totally.

[Colin]

That's. This part of the lack of motivation is part of the process.

[Bo]

Totally. Because when you.

[Colin]

Once the motivation comes, it's. Oh, dude.

[Bo]

When you get out of that valley and you find yourself obsessing over something, it's the best. It's the best.

[Colin]

Favorite record that surprised you in 2025, the C4 record. I mean, that is.

[Bo]

I. I had. Obviously I heard their previous stuff. I dug it. This with the DFJ flair and the production and is pretty perfect. I would say.

[Colin]

It's in a league of its own.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

The Rosalia record for me. Yeah, dude, I. There's not a second of music of hers otherwise that I'm interested in.

[Bo]

How interesting is that? That is fascinating, isn't it?

[Colin]

It's like a classical record.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But produced like a pop record. And she's like an unbelievable singer. It's crazy. I can't compare it to anything. It's unbelievable. Could God say defeat San Fernando? San Fernando Valley's own Cobra Kai Dojo. There's just so many of them. And also they're fake Valley.

[Bo]

There's so many of you too.

[Colin]

Yeah. We could get some backup for sure. I'm sure God say and company could defeat Cobra Kai.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

That works.

[Colin]

How do you guys pick what music you're going to listen to each day?

[Bo]

I typically will wake up with it in my head.

[Colin]

Really?

[Bo]

I've been waking up with Lana Del Rey in my head for the last few days, week even. And it's just like I gotta listen to it or even just hum it out and then I'll think of the next thing. I. I have like a. A jukebox just kind of Going in my head and just have to see it through and then it'll lead me to where I want to be.

[Colin]

Typically, I go on a lot of Hard Lore guest kicks.

[Bo]

Yeah, you do.

[Colin]

Big time.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

When we have a get. When we have somebody on, I'll. I'll listen the whole week before, the whole week after.

[Bo]

Dude, Davey was crazy because we were both like re.

[Colin]

Pilled.

[Bo]

It was crazy.

[Colin]

Like a month of nothing else.

[Bo]

We drove to the episode.

[Colin]

Listening. Yeah.

[Bo]

To black sales. Yeah. That was awesome. Felt awesome. Yeah, you do. That's. That's a good call.

[Colin]

I'm a big time Hard Lore guest listener.

[Bo]

I also, when there's new music out, I. I try to listen to it the second I get to the gym as part of like the workout. It's like part of like, okay, mentally I'm going to listen to this new music that whatever band put out. That's. And. And I just kind of like. I don't pick.

[Colin]

It's a good way to kill 20, 30 minutes too.

[Bo]

Exactly. It's. It's not a picking thing. It's like what's out. Oh, I'm listening to that. That's typically how we do it.

[Colin]

Favorite stolen riffs of all time.

[Bo]

Now that is a question. First one that comes to mind, all due respect. Feed your disease and Bolt Thrower.

[Colin]

I'm so sick of that one.

[Bo]

Is it not?

[Colin]

It's.

[Bo]

It is.

[Colin]

But dude, it's not like a popular Bolt Thrower song, you know? And now it is. Wow. So you're welcome, everybody.

[Bo]

Welcome.

[Colin]

Bolt Thrower. It's a certified deep cut, but Haprid did it first with last breath. And that's one of my favorite stolen riffs of all time. Yeah. So Hypery did that before we did and was. It was very profitable for them. Much more profitable than it was for us.

[Bo]

I don't know about favorite, but remember the Guns up song that just.

[Colin]

The Entombed one ripped off.

[Bo]

Entombed so hard note for note.

[Colin]

That was Saddest day is also Entombed. I think the Pit. The whole pit. Yeah.

[Bo]

And Inspector Gadget, as he told us.

[Colin]

Oh, I mean, I've stolen so many. But we're not talking about that.

[Bo]

Nah.

[Colin]

Let's see. What's one? What's a good stolen one?

[Bo]

Good one. Yeah. This is a great question.

[Colin]

The Violation demo basically starts with Life is pain. That's a good one.

[Bo]

Fade to black. The break the. Is just a Black Sabbath song.

[Colin]

That's true. Dude. What do you think about the Inner Sandman Excel thing? So. So Metallica was successfully sued by the band Excel, a thrash metal band from Venice Beach, Right. For Enter Sandman and their song tapping into the emotional void.

[Bo]

That's right.

[Colin]

That song is unbelievable.

[Bo]

Is it? I've never actually listened.

[Colin]

It is. It's so much better than Understand, man. Dude, that first riff is unbelievable to the point where I. I can't fathom how they heard Enter Sandman and we're like, this is just like this. Because their song is so much crazier.

[Bo]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[Colin]

So much crazier. So much cooler. That like, I would hear Enter Sandman and them and be like, we're such a better band.

[Bo]

Yeah, right.

[Colin]

But they were. They successfully sued them for it. It's crazy.

[Bo]

Well, I think that that is kind of bullshit. Like the Ed Sheeran thing and the.

[Colin]

Olivia Rodrigo, Taylor Swift.

[Bo]

Yeah, it's just like, hey, there's 12 notes. Yeah, it. Literally 12 notes, you know. Yeah, absolutely. So I think that's kind of. But it would. So Kirk, he very famously wrote the Understand man riff and then they changed it because it was three in one, and then they made it one in three, you know, blah, blah. It wouldn't. I wouldn't be that surprised if he had heard that Rift and just kind of like came to him, you know?

[Colin]

But dude, it's like, so the entertainment is down. Go get him. Go get. Go. The Excel one is like. And it doesn't present the same.

[Bo]

So it's just a. An E minor.

[Colin]

It's crazy. I mean, if that counts, that's the best one because that riff is crazy.

[Bo]

Other than that, it's probably like Led Zeppelin with their entire discography or something.

[Colin]

Sure. Yeah. Hey, everybody, you got to pardon us real quick for this interruption. It's very important. It'll be fast. Relatively. Right. It's the end of the year. We're having fun. We're letting loose. So today the ads for this episode will be done in the style of. Enjoy the Silence by Depeche Mode. That's right. Here we go.

[Bo]

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[Colin]

There are only seven, right?

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[Bo]

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[Bo]

That is really nice. Yeah. Can we move on? Never.

[Colin]

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[Bo]

Yeah.

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[Colin]

You're not getting a free guitar. You're not getting a free guitar. We only had one.

[Bo]

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Yeah, frankly.

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[Bo]

Yeah. How do you feel?

[Colin]

I think it's been past its prime for a long time, but obviously it.

[Bo]

Wasn'T an easy place for you guys to get to.

[Colin]

The five North. Going home every night was under construction every time. Going home takes two hours because of traffic. Going home takes two and a half hours because there's one fucking lane for two hours. Won't miss that. Obviously for Orange county hardcore in the 2000s, it was like the place to be. The fire code was neither here nor there. So they were. They would get 8, 900 people in there.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

And dude, some like, I saw chromags there. I saw Mad Ball there, saw Gorilla Biscuits there. It was incredible. It was unbelievable place to go. Never had that. All great sets playing there really. Just because we weren't ever really over in Orange County. Ruckus play there was sure Terror one time. That was awesome. I saw E Town there. I watched Walter from Rotting Out. I watched the Tea missing his teeth. Yeah, I watched that happen. I watched the K the Pit move that made that happen.

[Bo]

Fuck.

[Colin]

It was unbelievable.

[Bo]

I think we've played there probably like six times total. The last time I played there, I just posted about this. I was playing bass because Casey had Covid at the time and couldn't go.

[Colin]

That's when I ordered Taco Bell.

[Bo]

Taco Bell during the set, which is pretty cool. Like I could literally see Colin in the back of the. Of the venue with a Taco Bell rapper like. Like singing along legitimately.

[Colin]

You had to go outside and get it for me because I couldn't. Because you couldn't go in and out.

[Bo]

Always enjoyed it. But it is one of those things where it's. You're kind of there and then you're kind of on an island. There's no really nowhere to go.

[Colin]

Good target down the street.

[Bo]

Good target, clean bathroom there.

[Colin]

It will be missed. Of course it was. It was so important for Southern California hardcore for so long. Especially after the loss of the showcase. It was unbelievable place. Saw so many great bands.

[Bo]

It's kind of hated.

[Colin]

Hated going there.

[Bo]

Yeah, it's probably one of those venues that you hear about all the time where all of your favorite bands have played there 100%. Every single guitar based band.

[Colin]

And dude, the website was all ages.com, you know, really. No matter how unaccommodating the staff wanted to be that night, no matter how mean the sound guy wanted to be for it was all motherfucking ages for most of the time.

[Bo]

Yeah. And they didn't. They do some kind of streaming thing to kind of ahead of their time.

[Colin]

Dude, change at Chain Chat was the latest. They had a projector on the wall of like a live Twitch Chat. So I'd be. I'd be on there at shows I wasn't. I wasn't at.

[Bo]

Yeah. Would you text it or was it a website?

[Colin]

No, I think it was Twitter where you would tweet you.

[Bo]

Oh yeah.

[Colin]

With like a hashtag Chain Chat and the hashtag.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And I would be at home like I'm shitting my ass off in the bathroom right now. Help. And like having full conversations with people on the Chain Chat hashtag as it's being projected onto the wall for the entire show to read. So that was great. You could probably look up the chain chat hashtag and find some good shit on there.

[Bo]

Yeah, okay. But they didn't do like. Like video streaming.

[Colin]

I'm in. Probably. I don't know. I know that they. You weren't allowed to stage dive there, but people did it all the time.

[Bo]

Oh yeah, I did.

[Colin]

Videos were blocked because of people stage diving.

[Bo]

During Terror, we did two nights in a row there on the Acacia street tour. The very like first real tour we did. And during Terror I ran on the wall. I did like a ninja move and ran on the wall as a stage dive.

[Colin]

That's awesome.

[Bo]

Felt cool.

[Colin]

The last Internal affairs show was there and Terror played just Lowest of the Low, front to back. It was so sick. So, yeah, I saw many unbelievable games there. Yeah, it will be missed. Won't miss the drive. But that's. It's got nothing to do with me. You know, for Orange county. It's an. It's an incredible loss.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

There you have it. Go to. This is a great question, Connor McLaughlin. What are your go to cold weather meals?

[Bo]

Dude, ramen me the fuck up. It's soup, obviously with the best meat possible. You know, that's. That's like the first one that really comes to mind.

[Colin]

I've got two, please. The paneer masala from Law Merch with the chicken ticket appetizer on the side. Cheese naan, dump it in. And the number one from fuss 01 in Van Nuys.

[Bo]

Oh, did you take me there? Is that the one you took me to?

[Colin]

Did we get fought? Yeah, we went and we definitely went there.

[Bo]

Yeah, it was in Van Nuys.

[Colin]

Did we get the egg roll?

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was very good.

[Colin]

Come on, dude.

[Bo]

It was very good.

[Colin]

Dumping sriracha and the hoisin sauce, lime and jalapenos and the lime and all that sitting there. Come on, dude. On a. On a rainy day, the line is out the door.

[Bo]

Just not like an hour ago. Had some Japanese sandos and they had a tonkatsu pork sando and with a side of curry to dip it in. And it. It. It tasted very authentic. Very Japanese. That hit pretty good.

[Colin]

That'll do. That'll do. Favorite Christmas gift you've ever received?

[Bo]

I love questions like this. I think they unlock something. You know, I'm going to tell. I. Okay. You and I did a Christmas special on like our first year. Ain't no. None of these freaks watched it. So I'm Gonna. I want to give best and worst. We'll say best and, like, maybe most disappointing because worst is kind of rough. Best was. Dude, my mom. My mom, man, I don't know how she did it. She was a single mother working her ass off, and she would always make Christmas the best. It just. Every time I would come out Christmas morning and that tree would be full, and it was all mine. It's crazy. The year that's a real highlight for me was she got me a gamecube in, like, middle school, you know, like, right when it came out hard to get. Got me a gamecube, got me Smash Bros. And, like, whatever that came with it. Just truly, like, I was old enough to appreciate it, you know, the most. The opposite of that.

[Colin]

It.

[Bo]

The PS2 was out. I wanted a PS1 because it was. The PS2 just came out. And I was like, I don't need that. I can get the PS1. PS2 plays PS1 game so when I do upgrade, I'm good. And I was like, dad, this is an easy gift. You can find them anywhere. They were, like, 150 bucks.

[Colin]

And by that time, it was like, the PS1 Slim.

[Bo]

Exactly.

[Colin]

The smaller small.

[Bo]

The small. I just wanted something quick because I was always a Nintendo guy. I wanted a PlayStation. And he said, oh, yeah, he did the thing. We'll see. Kind of a thing. I remember I woke up because I would do Christmas, actual Christmas. My mom, and then a week later with my dad or whatever, woke up and went out to the tree. And I was. Whenever, I don't know, 10, 11, I saw a box that's a PlayStation. You know what I mean? And I know my dad. My dad was a big kid himself. So I was like, that might be a fierce, too. Who knows? You know, who knows? But it was big. It was. I knew the sizes. I. I ran back to bed because I didn't want to get caught looking and, like, miss out. I was so excited. So we go. Go out and we're doing all the things, and they're like, all right, you gotta save that one for last. And I was like, okay, no problem. And it's literally like socks. Thank you so much. You're so considerate. Wow, what a wonderful day. The whole time, you know, finally get to the last one. I open it up, I tear that motherfucker right down the corner. Rollerblades. I got a pair of rollerblades. I looked outside, there's about a foot of snow on the ground, and they were, like, purple. And if I was. Let's say a size, I don't know, seven. In men's. These were a size five. And I was just saying, you're like.

[Colin]

This is the worst Christmas ever. Yeah.

[Bo]

Yeah. It was destroyed for me too.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

So that. Those are my. My two answers.

[Colin]

Wait, you didn't get a PlayStation?

[Bo]

No, I got Rollerblades, bro.

[Colin]

Oh, my God.

[Bo]

Yeah. That's end of the story. I opened it up and they were like, ah. And I was like, that's horrible. Thank you. And they. I think my dad just forgot.

[Colin]

Dude, that's the worst thing I've ever heard. I gotta get you a PS2.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I was like, this is gonna be unbel. Unbelievable. This twist is gonna break me.

[Bo]

No twists. M. Night sat this one out.

[Colin]

You're telling me. You said, dad, I'm gonna give you a softball.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Get me the cheap last year's model of this thing.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And he said, you. Here's some boots with wheels that are too small.

[Bo]

Yeah. I believe they were a gift from my stepmom's mom, my step grandmother, Bobby, which was very nice. Obviously. It's nice of her to get me anything, but I was so. Like, everybody can envision, but that means.

[Colin]

What did Santa get you?

[Bo]

Santa got me a fucking, like, socks and like a RC car or something.

[Colin]

Dude, I don't mean to sound ungrateful here, but I would not be grateful.

[Bo]

I was. It was. I was pretty pissed. That was pretty.

[Colin]

That's crazy, man.

[Bo]

Yeah. What about you?

[Colin]

Crazy. That's sickening to me.

[Bo]

What about you? What's your best.

[Colin]

My. My favorite gift I've ever received, I think. So the. The first year that Pokemon came out, I was often stealing Taylor's Game Boy at night. And it was. It was old Game Boy. No backlight.

[Bo]

No backlight.

[Colin]

So you needed an external source of light on it, you know, and you can only have one save file on there.

[Bo]

Oh, really?

[Colin]

So I would. In Pokemon. Yeah. So I would be running around his world thinking about, like, it would be so cool if I could have my own world in this, you know?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And I didn't even have to ask. Christmas Day, I had a Game Boy color that had just come out. Just come out with red and blue.

[Bo]

Which is hilarious because you didn't need red.

[Colin]

I mean, but like, yeah. You know, I'm a. I'm a man of excess.

[Bo]

True. Yeah.

[Colin]

I love good shit. So. So I'm. I can't believe it. And I've never. I'll never forget that feeling of like, oh, my God. Because I never owned Anything?

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Like, literally, I'm six or seven years old. I've never owned a thing that felt like it was mine.

[Bo]

Everything's. Hand me down.

[Colin]

I'm using Aaron's Sega Genesis. I'm using Taylor's Sega Saturn. I'm using the N64. That does not belong to me. I don't have a save file.

[Bo]

Yeah, right.

[Colin]

This Game Boy color is the first thing in my life that was mine.

[Bo]

Then didn't something terrible happen?

[Colin]

That was my Game Boy Advance SP a few years ago.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

A few years after.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

That I brought to rehearsal for the musical. And the day after I got it, it was December 26th and I had rehearsals for A Christmas Carol at the Hartford Stage. A professional production, by the way. Like Broadway in Hartford. It's the equivalent to the Pantages in la. I was in A Christmas Carol two years in a row. As. As told on the Downbeat Live episode. This. So it's professional production. Somebody in. Somebody steals my Game Boy. A child's Game Boy advance sp. Can you believe that? Dirty dog.

[Bo]

Scumbag. Scumbag. All right.

[Colin]

Favorite gift you've ever given?

[Bo]

Wow. That's a great question. Holy shit.

[Colin]

I got one for Lana this year. I'm excited to give her, but I can't talk about it now.

[Bo]

You can't.

[Colin]

Just in case she listens.

[Bo]

I was really happy to get your last Muppet poster.

[Colin]

That was a big.

[Bo]

That was a good one because I found those are.

[Colin]

Dude, have you seen what those are worth now?

[Bo]

No.

[Colin]

A lot more than you paid for. I'll tell you what.

[Bo]

Are you sure about that?

[Colin]

I think so. It was a lot like. They're like over a grand.

[Bo]

Okay. That's. That's a lot more than I paid for it.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

For sure. Crazy. Yeah. You got equity, so I got.

[Colin]

I got equity in my. In my muffins art. For sure. Which is great.

[Bo]

Trying to think of. Of other gifts. I do love a good gift. I love a trip as a gift. It took Taylor to Las Vegas once.

[Colin]

That's nice.

[Bo]

Got the hotel, got the food, you know, like. And that was December. That was nice. I like stuff like that.

[Colin]

Nick Disciple asks, what is the thing that you are both most proud of after doing this show for three years? I think that we're still doing this show three years deep.

[Bo]

Pretty amazing.

[Colin]

Insane.

[Bo]

I really appreciate. And this is not me, like, trying to inflate my ego or anything, but when I. When we go to shows and old heads and young heads alike are like, love the show. I heard this I listened to this band because of you guys.

[Colin]

Obviously.

[Bo]

That. That's my proudest thing. That's the coolest thing to me. I like learning stuff from the show. I like that people learn stuff from the show by our hand or inadvertently or whatever. That. That's my favorite thing.

[Colin]

You know what feels really cool that like, never gets old is when act like close friends reach out about listening to a specific episode or something.

[Bo]

Like, hey, this was awesome.

[Colin]

That's. That's really nice. It's like, wow, man.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Because we work. We work our asses off, as does Steven.

[Bo]

You know, people listening at all is surprising. Friends listening who already get enough of us is even more, you know.

[Colin]

Agreed.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Mount Rushmore floor Punch songs. Great question.

[Bo]

Great question. Intro changes, no exceptions.

[Colin]

Yeah. Wash up at 18. Clear changes.

[Bo]

What's. It won't happen to us. No.

[Colin]

Why isn't that.

[Bo]

What's the name of that song.

[Colin]

That's washed up at 18?

[Bo]

Is it right? Yeah, I think you're right. That. Yeah, that. That. That seems to be the one that people cover mostly. Like, I've seen several. I've seen several covers of that. I just saw one on the Internet and.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's badass.

[Bo]

Awesome.

[Colin]

Movie of the year. One battle after another.

[Bo]

Yeah, I think I'm inclined to agree. I haven't seen it again yet.

[Colin]

You're going to love it.

[Bo]

But I intend to. Definitely intend to. Have you finished Eddington yet?

[Colin]

No, I haven't had a time for. Dude, arc raiders is my life.

[Bo]

You got to watch Eddington. You got it. Because I just.

[Colin]

I will. I will. When I. When I'm tired of arc writers, I'll do something.

[Bo]

I just saw like the finale again, like on my algorithm, like the. The very last thing where you're going to go, what? And it made me like, oh, man, he's not going to believe this. He is not gonna believe this part. It's so good.

[Colin]

Couldn't believe the middle, I'll tell you that.

[Bo]

Yeah. And it. Dude, it keeps going.

[Colin]

I believe.

[Bo]

It's crazy.

[Colin]

Any new releases on Hard Lore Records next year? Would love to see more. We got 1. An LP in the books for a newer band, Cyan. We've already talked about. That thing is insane. It's getting mixed now. Had to get vocals. Had to get completely re recorded as also stated in the Wheel of Fortune episode. And then we have two reissues that are slash thing. Like these are first. First ever on streaming type thing.

[Bo]

Right.

[Colin]

So that'll be very cool. Very cool.

[Bo]

Very cool.

[Colin]

Watch out for that soon. What was the process like for the God's Hate feature on the new Acacia Strain record? They asked, do you guys want to sing on this? We said yes. I recorded mine, I think the day before the deadline. And Brody recorded his, I think two days before the deadline. And there it is. Bon appetit.

[Bo]

Sounds awesome. That record sounds awesome.

[Colin]

Yeah, it does.

[Bo]

I think it's probably their best stuff in a long time.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

As far as, like, what I like in heavy and extreme music. It sounds heavy and extreme and very sonically satisfying. Agree. It's awesome.

[Colin]

It sounds more real than a lot of, like, the modern metalcore stuff.

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

Which I really appreciate.

[Bo]

Yep.

[Colin]

Keep it up, guys. Hi, Colin. How'd you. Colin, how long did it take to readjust to drumming post handbrake healing? I would say it's the. It lingers to this day. The effects. Brutal.

[Bo]

Dude.

[Colin]

I should have got the surgery. I didn't get surgery because the God's Hate record release, AKA the first show back post Covid, was four weeks exactly to the day. So four weeks exactly to the day was the show. A week before that. Three weeks after the handbrake, we started practicing and I could not hit the snare with my left hand. So I had to basically, like, duct tape my hand together for practice. Oh, and like. And like, put a stick inside the tape.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Because I couldn't grip too hard. And I had to relearn how to play drums basically so that my. My left hand never hit my snare.

[Bo]

So you're doing left handed entirely.

[Colin]

So always. So I had a china here.

[Bo]

Got you. Gotcha.

[Colin]

And then the ride would be the only time. So I think I put a ride over here as well. It would make playing like the co Heat guy.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Everything was here.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And my snare never hit my left hand.

[Bo]

Yeah. Wow.

[Colin]

So that sucked.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

If you could pick any song throughout the history of music and become the writer of that song instead of the original artist, what song would it be?

[Bo]

It's awesome. It's a great question.

[Colin]

What song?

[Bo]

So here's how my head goes is like, hey, if I. If I get the rights and I'm the only guy who's who said, I want to hold your hand? That's my song. Does that mean I get the other Beatles songs too, afterwards? Like, do the Beatles not exist?

[Colin]

No. This isn't a yesterday scenario. This is. You own this song.

[Bo]

Just this song.

[Colin]

You're the guy who wrote this.

[Bo]

Open Gangnam Style.

[Colin]

Oh, my God. Banger dude.

[Bo]

Richest man in the world. You know, or. Or truly Sandstorm. He put out one song, one thing.

[Colin]

And he's a legend forever.

[Bo]

And he's a legend. I'm.

[Colin]

I'm thinking like, like what's a. Like a classic rock song and a lot of movie like Fortunate Son.

[Bo]

Yeah. Ccr.

[Colin]

Paint it black.

[Bo]

Give me shelter along the Watchtower. The Jimi Hendrix version, you know, or there's something Buffalo Springfield.

[Colin]

You know what, dude?

[Bo]

What?

[Colin]

I got it. I own the rights to and receive royalties to Happy Birthday to you.

[Bo]

But where are you going to get royalties from that, bro?

[Colin]

Wherever. Every birthday.

[Bo]

There's no record sales for that.

[Colin]

This is different. Now I'm stepping in. In my universe where I own Happy Birthday, people will pay Happy birthday to me 365 days a year.

[Bo]

You know what else would be a good one is The Hank Williams 2. Are you ready for some football? Because you know that check was fat.

[Colin]

Oh, fat as hell, dude. In our. There's a setlist. Fm twitching tongue set.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Where we sang Happy Birthday to Taylor on stage. And in the set list it says Happy Birthday, something something cover.

[Bo]

That's so funny. It's two little girls. You know that.

[Colin]

Is that true?

[Bo]

Two little girls wrote that song from like middle America. Like they wrote the song.

[Colin]

That's fucking insane.

[Bo]

Yeah. It's got to be public domain by now.

[Colin]

No, not anymore, but. Oh, this is good. What are your favorite things to do when visiting each other's cities?

[Bo]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Colin]

Great question.

[Bo]

What do I. Okay, so Colin. Colin is incapable, aside from Law Merchant, of enjoying the same place for longer than two months. There's a new coffee spot. There's a new.

[Colin]

Well, that's just. Dude, there's so many new things. Always. I love a new thing.

[Bo]

I didn't. I don't retract.

[Colin]

Doesn't mean I don't enjoy the old.

[Bo]

No, no, I'm not saying. I'm not saying so.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Bo]

But it's rare that we go to the same place when I visit. Yeah. Because there's just new. I get it. I like. I like seeing what you're excited about to show me. Yeah. That's fun to me. We'll be like, dude, you gotta get this. And then I do.

[Colin]

And I'm rarely wrong.

[Bo]

I would say never. Like, we have. We have similar palettes when it comes.

[Colin]

To like non cream.

[Bo]

Non cream for sure. That's like the biggest one. But like. Like mouth feel stuff where it's just like. Oh, the crunchiness. The. This. Not like 100. I think we agree on Stuff. So it's easy for me to be like, this is really good, actually. Really good.

[Colin]

That is, man. So Stephen, the editor of our show.

[Bo]

Who we love, who we love dearly.

[Colin]

He'S got two quirks that we quote constantly, and that's one of them. This is actually really good because we've shown him so many new things, and that's what he says every time. And his other one is that we quote all day. And I don't even think Stephen knows this is.

[Bo]

He's hearing this for the first time.

[Colin]

He's hearing this for the first time right now as he's editing. This is Gotcha.

[Bo]

And it is. When you get one of those out of Steven, it is.

[Colin]

It's the best.

[Bo]

It's a success. It feels great.

[Colin]

So we say that all day we'll be playing arc raiders, and somebody will drop a gotcha. And we'll be laughing for three straight minutes.

[Bo]

Love you so much. What about you? In Chicago, you appreciate a dog and that.

[Colin]

Oh, my God.

[Bo]

That means the world to me. It really does.

[Colin]

I mean, I'll go. It's like in and out for me. Where I'll go to Portillo's for three straight days.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And I'll love every minute of it. And I. I'm a. I love lumonates.

[Bo]

It makes me love it. So happy.

[Colin]

I love it.

[Bo]

You don't even understand.

[Colin]

It feels like home.

[Bo]

It's what I grew up eating.

[Colin]

It's the place I love.

[Bo]

It makes me very happy.

[Colin]

Those are my answers. Food. It's food. You know, it's.

[Bo]

Yeah, it's food.

[Colin]

It's always food.

[Bo]

When's the last time you went to the ocean, Colin?

[Colin]

Could not tell you. Other than the cruise ship.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Like at home. Went to the ocean.

[Bo]

Yeah, we went to the beach.

[Colin]

2018.

[Bo]

Oh. I mean, that's fairly more recent.

[Colin]

I was there for 10 minutes.

[Bo]

Sure. Which one you go to?

[Colin]

Couldn't tell you. Whatever is on the Santa Monica.

[Bo]

Santa Monica.

[Colin]

One of those.

[Bo]

The pier. All right.

[Colin]

Garbage.

[Bo]

So funny to me.

[Colin]

Let's see. Are there any trends you would like to see stop in 2026 or any trends you would like to continue in 2026?

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

Related or something in the regular world.

[Bo]

I'll tell you one thing. I went and saw weekend nachos. Played a show. Their. Their holiday show the other night at the Sub Tee. There were young kids floor punching, stage diving and skanking. Nary a spin kick thrown. No. No disrespect.

[Colin]

No, none taken. Trust me.

[Bo]

But I like seeing I. I like seeing that things can ebb and flow. That's all I appreciate. I. If you can pull, if you can spin kick and mosh like a monster and make it look good, I respect that. I can. I'm not built that way.

[Colin]

Style first style.

[Bo]

And that's amazing. If you have style while you're doing this ridiculous thing that we've all done, that's amazing to me. There's really three types of mashers, aren't there? There's the ones who look good, the ones who are just wrecking balls, and then the ones who don't look good. That's it.

[Colin]

Dude, those are crazy. And like, everybody's got to start somewhere, you know?

[Bo]

Of course.

[Colin]

But when an old ass looking motherfucker, like a. Like a late 20s.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Sucks at Martian. Get in the bedroom, brother. Get to work. Put the reps in at home before you put this in front of me.

[Bo]

Get out on the field. Yeah, but, yeah, the kids were. They were. They were stage diving, sitting along and literally floor punching, like, full on classic. And. And I'm talking possible teenagers. Made me very happy.

[Colin]

I love that.

[Bo]

Very, very happy.

[Colin]

We. How do we kill the Horseshoe once and for all?

[Bo]

I've. Okay, this is hardcore. Was the first one who I saw do it. Outbreak also did it the first year that when we were there, where there's like a set of barricades at the back of the crowd. So if you want to be even a little bit in the mix, you have to be beyond this barricade and it forces kind of corrals everyone. I don't love that as an answer, but it's something like that.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's just. I don't. I think that's venue dependent, but we got it. We got to kill the Horseshoe once and for all. Just get in there and accept that. You may get a kick in the head. Ain't but Frank Sinatra, you know, he's talking about that too. It's. It's not new.

[Bo]

Frank knows.

[Colin]

He knows, man.

[Bo]

I don't know, man. I. I mean, the horseshoe isn't new.

[Colin]

No.

[Bo]

You know, but.

[Colin]

But if we could end it together.

[Bo]

R and R had a song where the lyric went, what's up with the semicircles that I see at the shows? That's like the lyric and it's early 2000s, you know, so it's been around for at least that long. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if. If fucking Death threat can do it in the biggest, widest room in the world at FYA last year and there was no horseshoe terror did it. You know what I mean?

[Colin]

Just get in the mix, you know? If you want to be there, just be there.

[Bo]

Yeah, exactly. You got to want. Yeah.

[Colin]

Favorite show you saw in 2025? Saw a lot.

[Bo]

Saw a lot. Yeah. No twitching tongues on that last day. Was. Was something I'll never forget.

[Colin]

On the cruise.

[Bo]

On the cruise. Was something I will never forget. What a spectacle that was.

[Colin]

That was awesome. It was just a miracle that. That was a little bit good.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

If it was even a little bit good, it would have been a miracle, but it was unbelievable.

[Bo]

Oh, the. The answer for me, though, hands down, was God's hate covering. Carry on. Hey, like, just one of my favorite moments I've gotten to see and participate in in my life, let alone the year that rocked. It was unreal.

[Colin]

Cox Bar at the Palladium sounded awesome. Unbelievable.

[Bo]

Was everybody was pretty chuffed up. Was everybody.

[Colin]

Oh, my God, I was chuffed. It was insane. It was incredible. Setlist was great. They sounded perfect. Just very cool. If you had to pick an album per muscle group for working out, what would they be?

[Bo]

That's really good.

[Colin]

It's great. Legs.

[Bo]

Yeah, Legs. Lower body. You need. Heavy. Yeah, you need.

[Colin]

That's a crowbar day.

[Bo]

I was gonna say crowbar. I swear to God.

[Colin]

I was thinking that's a broken glass type day.

[Bo]

Wow. Great. Great. Yeah. Okay, I agree. All right. But now no crowbar.

[Colin]

No crowbar. Crowbars. That's out leg there. Lower half of the body is all crowbar.

[Bo]

It's all chest. Chest. I can do something a little more upbeat, a little more quick, you know.

[Colin]

Like fast or like mid tempo?

[Bo]

Not fast, mid tempo. Just. Just a little more bpms.

[Colin]

Those once loyal bolt thrower. Those once loyal.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

That's the chest day special.

[Bo]

Kill chain comes on.

[Colin]

Oh, my God, dude.

[Bo]

Oh, man.

[Colin]

600 pounds.

[Bo]

All right, I'm back.

[Colin]

10 reps. Back. Back is. Is all about perseverance.

[Bo]

Wow, you're nailing this. Actually, this is.

[Colin]

All about perseverance.

[Bo]

I think my number one, like, my favorite song to listen to if I'm. I don't really listen to music to, like, get pumped up at the gym. Like, I don't use it that way, but if I ever have or ever need to take by force is the, like, the song.

[Colin]

That's accessory day for me.

[Bo]

Arms.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Dedicated arm day.

[Colin]

The fun. The fun. The Friday, it's just master killer. It's like I'll pop in for 48 minutes.

[Bo]

Dude. When When I look at my the workout app and I says arms. It says. It says 48 minutes estimated. And I know I'm going to superset some of that shit. So I'm doing it way faster. Oh yeah, man.

[Colin]

That's beautiful stuff.

[Bo]

Good answer.

[Colin]

I think that that feels right.

[Bo]

It feels good.

[Colin]

Top three Blood for Blood songs. Waiting for the moment. Paper Gangster.

[Bo]

Really? I was afraid that Paper Gangster was kind of the last Caress Mother like. It's unbelievable song that everyone knows. Kind of cop out answer. Okay.

[Colin]

It's unbelievable. Maybe Bitch Called Hope Number three Banger. Honorable mention, Shut My Eyes Forever.

[Bo]

Harmsway covered Paper Gangster at the Burning fight fest on YouTube. You look it up.

[Colin]

That's awesome. True story with the HM2.

[Bo]

I don't think we were. This was pre HM2. This was reality approaches era. This was like we still had the two Johns were in the band. And what's funny is Caution.

[Colin]

Was it their idea?

[Bo]

Yeah. Legitimately. Well.

[Colin]

And we should do Paper Gangster for Burning Fight.

[Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

That's awesome.

[Bo]

It's true.

[Colin]

How do I get big and ripped like hard Lore? Listen to Crowbar when you work legs, Perseverance when you work back. Those once loyal when you work chest and Master Killer when you do accessories. You can't lose and also go do those things. I guess. When is the Crowbar episode happening and will it be a 10 part docu series? Like maybe. Honestly, I think we gotta go to Nolan's. Yeah.

[Bo]

This is one of those.

[Colin]

I'm not doing that over zoom.

[Bo]

We. A good thing to point out is Porter would have been in person. It just didn't. It just didn't work out. And we really wanted it to.

[Colin]

That's why it took a year.

[Bo]

It took so long and thankful for he was gracious enough and with his patience to like do that. Do it that way. We're not doing that to Kirk and Robin. We're gonna go. We're gonna. We're gonna make irl. Irl. That's right.

[Colin]

I need to hear him call me a young rocker right in front of me. You know? Do you sit down to tie your shoes or do you bend over?

[Bo]

I sit. Don't bend.

[Colin]

Oh. I bend all day. I. But I have. You're unbelievable.

[Bo]

You're flexible.

[Colin]

Hip, hip depth.

[Bo]

I'll either sit or I. I put my foot up on a bench and do it that way. So that is.

[Colin]

You bring them to you.

[Bo]

I bring them to me though. Yeah. Don't ever bend over to touch your toes. If you have a bad back, don't do it.

[Colin]

I go to them, don't do it. I go full squat, ass to grass.

[Bo]

Can you do that? Can you do heels down squat like the Slav squat? That's crazy to me.

[Colin]

I do it all day. It's one of the most. It's like when I'm most comfortable, you see me do it.

[Bo]

Yeah, I guess it's just hard to believe sometimes.

[Colin]

Here it is. Told you.

[Bo]

How could I forget?

[Colin]

Long time listener, first time asker. Favorite episode and show you played this year, Favorite episode would be Davey Part two.

[Bo]

Oh, I'll say Davey Part one. I'll ying yang that.

[Colin]

I like that. I just think he was so comfortable with us.

[Bo]

Second half took a. It took a bit. Yeah.

[Colin]

And that. That felt nice. Favorite show I played this year. I mean, it's probably sound and Fury.

[Bo]

Yeah, that was really something. Good one. I'll say Davey Part one and then I know it's not really a show I played, but Jeopardy. Doing Jeopardy. That's a live performance.

[Colin]

Great.

[Bo]

And that felt. That was really, really good.

[Colin]

I mean, that's one of the best things we've ever done.

[Bo]

I agree. Felt great.

[Colin]

I can't wait for the next.

[Bo]

Yeah, can't wait.

[Colin]

What is a pit move you wish you could do? I really wish I could do about, like a genuine legit backflip.

[Bo]

Really?

[Colin]

Just standing full tuck backflip in the pit, though. Wherever.

[Bo]

If you saw you do. If you saw you do that in the pit from stage, you would think.

[Colin]

You were an only. Because I'd be jealous.

[Bo]

Ah, true.

[Colin]

Seb from Regulate Backflips.

[Bo]

Yeah, he could just do it.

[Colin]

And I see that and I go, God, I gotta learn that. How does he do it?

[Bo]

HR HR could do that. Yeah, dude, there's that kind of like flying capoeira looking spin kick thing.

[Colin]

That's the butterfly.

[Bo]

Yeah, the butterfly. Yeah. Aaron. Yes, yes, yes. The butterfly. I wish I could do that. I can't even. I can't raise my leg above my belt, let alone that. You kidding me?

[Colin]

It's true. Yeah. What bands have you seen live the.

[Bo]

Most Terror we can. And like, for sure. The answer 100.

[Colin]

Like, without a doubt.

[Bo]

How many times do you think you've actually seen Terror, like, legitimately Tours counted everything. Anytime you've seen that band perform?

[Colin]

A hundred.

[Bo]

Yeah. Like, probably truly 100. I'm probably around 60, you know? Yeah. It's crazy.

[Colin]

And I. I can't wait for 101, you know, this is a great question. Hardest job you had to work? Oh, did you guys Ever think of going in a different direction career wise? And this brings me to something else. Because you see all day the stream that like streamers and people in entertainment talk about how it's like harder than service jobs or retail jobs. It's absolute horseshit.

[Bo]

Total bullshit.

[Colin]

It's the biggest load of shit you will ever read in your life. The lowest paid job I've ever had was the hardest job I've ever had.

[Bo]

You think it correlates directly like that?

[Colin]

100%. Dude, bottom of the food chain. You are working harder than the CEO.

[Bo]

Yeah, for sure. But. But okay, so what's your answer?

[Colin]

Mine would probably be production assistant on the show Big Brother.

[Bo]

That was the worst job. Hardest, hardest job. Wow.

[Colin]

And then being a party line communications engineer after that.

[Bo]

Right, I remember that one because those.

[Colin]

Are 12 to 16 hour day every day minimum. Big Brother was primarily manual labor because it's just moving set pieces for five to six hours at a time. 30 minute lunch.

[Bo]

So insane.

[Colin]

Back to five to seven hours straight of moving set pieces around. And then party line engineering was very technical. Again, long hours. The. The technology is constantly changing. So you're like constantly educating yourself on this new form of communication.

[Bo]

Mine was when I worked in the seafood department at Whole Foods. I only did it for a year, but it was. You're really. You're in sub zero or sub freezing temperatures for your entire shift. It's wet your entire shift. So you have to layer up. I get hot really quick. So I'm like both on fire and freezing. I put a catfish spike head head spike through my hand on the first day. Was constantly getting hurt. Like literally through my hand. I've told that story, haven't I? And I got paid 10 bucks an hour, no insurance, 32 hours a week.

[Colin]

Don't listen to these streamers.

[Bo]

I would like to to point out another terrible job that I did for maybe a week was Postmates in Doordash. Horrible. Yeah, horrible dude. I feel every time I order from one of those services that creeps up on me and I over tip and I feel like such a scumbag.

[Colin]

Be so. Be so kind to anyone doing that.

[Bo]

Dude, that job sucks, dude. You're not making any money and you're just doing the most. Oh my God. Feel for anybody who's doing that. I'm glad. I'm glad that it's there for people who need it. But God damn. But you're right. I mean what I think streamers and them are saying when they're, when they're talking about that is like the worst part of our. What we do. For me.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Is the. The just ridiculous criticisms, the negative attention, for sure. Anything like that. That's the worst part.

[Colin]

But the actual, like, us doing this.

[Bo]

This.

[Colin]

We're so fortunate.

[Bo]

It's amazing. So I think when big streamers are talking about that, they're saying it's like you're live in the moment for eight to however many hours a day. You're reading things in chat that are like, you are terrible at what you're doing because people can just criticize, however, they're millionaires.

[Colin]

So there you go.

[Bo]

So there you go.

[Colin]

Have you had salt and straw ice cream yet? And where would you rate it among ice creams? All right, let me tell you a little something about salt and straw, Terry. It's a disgrace.

[Bo]

Whoa.

[Colin]

It's a disgrace to ice cream.

[Bo]

Tell me.

[Colin]

These flavors are horseshit. It'll be like balsamic tomato.

[Bo]

Yeah, yeah, I've seen that.

[Colin]

Fuck you.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Don't. Yeah. It'll be like muddy water. And it'll be like, wow, they really captured mud and water. It's horseshit. McConnell's is real ice cream. Okay. Salt and straw is crap. The vanilla is good when they have it, but the flavors are constantly changing. They're doing all this bullshit. It's fine. It's ice cream. So it's great, obviously. But in terms of ice cream, it's my last choice in Chicago.

[Bo]

We have. For all my Chicagoland people, if you've never had graters ice cream, which is. Which is an Ohio thing. Took Colin to it. It is the one location in Winnetka is in the. The scene where Kevin McAllister steals a toothbrush. Jimmy. Yeah? Stop that boy. Hey. It's that little rat. Rat. It's that. That is where it is. So it's awesome just to go. It's open till like 11pm place rocks. We got Jenny's Splendid ice cream, of course. And we just. Dude, that's great. Just now, like a month ago on at the six corners. Got a Van Leeuwen. And let me tell you something, man. For chain. For chain creamery. Van Leeuwen rocks.

[Colin]

Honeycomb. There's also the.

[Bo]

Like a pistachio one that's really good.

[Colin]

Brown sugar cookie dough brownie.

[Bo]

Dude, that one. That's the one I just got last time.

[Colin]

Damn, I'm a fat. I love that.

[Bo]

That one is so good. It's fantastic. So.

[Colin]

But yeah, salt and straw. Bottom of the barrel.

[Bo]

Damn. But Connell's very good. Ace freely.

[Colin]

Yeah. Paul. We met Paul Stanley.

[Bo]

Oh, I said Ace Freely. I didn't mean that.

[Colin]

Rip.

[Bo]

Paul Stanley loves Rip.

[Colin]

Ace.

[Bo]

Sorry, Ace.

[Colin]

Paul, we'll see you at McConnell's soon. Haley Williams. When we're trying, man.

[Bo]

Dude, all she has to say is, hey, I have three hours on this day.

[Colin]

And we're.

[Bo]

We'll.

[Colin]

Wherever that is, we're there.

[Bo]

We will handle. Hey, Nashville March.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bo]

So maybe. Okay.

[Colin]

As people in the hardcore scene, how do you react to ban breakups? 2025 had several big bands in the scene implode, problematically or otherwise. Boy, did it ever. Do you still listen to the music and wear the merch, or is it a varied thing? It's definitely a varied thing. I didn't. I don't think I had any merch from any bands that have broken up. I do think aside from, like, outright cancellations, breakups aren't real anymore.

[Bo]

Agreed.

[Colin]

Breakups are fake. Fake ups.

[Bo]

Fake ups. Yeah.

[Colin]

Cancellations. Those. Those will stick. Yeah. And I think. I think it very much depends on the band.

[Bo]

I'm. I get torn on it. I respect when a band is like, you know what? We're good. We're just. We're not. We're done, whatever it is. I also understand why a band might come back. I totally get it. But it. It. It's. It's a tough call. And I think it's. It's case by case, and it's so, like, it's none of my business. Whatever X, Y, and Z band wants to do, that's what they want to do. And I. I hope they're enjoying themselves, you know?

[Colin]

Amen.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Favorite TV show of the past year and most anticipated TV show coming out in 2026. I mean, I watched a lot of TV this year.

[Bo]

Severance was the only thing I like, watched.

[Colin]

Oh, my God. I mean, it's. It's severance. Yeah, it's severance, without a doubt. That's like. I cannot wait to see what they do with that. Joe Cure says I'm getting married in two days. Congrats. Mazel. Does Colin have any marriage advice? Listen, buy stuff and laugh. You know.

[Bo]

Buy stuff.

[Colin]

Get her some good items. They love items. And, you know, just enjoy your time. Every day is a miracle.

[Bo]

You know what's really nice? I know I'm not married, but been around the block. Do things just because.

[Colin]

Oh, that's the best.

[Bo]

Just do stuff just because.

[Colin]

And that's part of listening.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Bo]

Yes. Very good.

[Colin]

You know?

[Bo]

Very good.

[Colin]

It's like, oh, they flowers. I heard that in a month I'll surprise you with that.

[Bo]

Yes.

[Colin]

You know, exactly we'll do that. Just because I'll do that, I'll clean.

[Bo]

That thing one month. I swear to God, I'm gonna clean that thing 100.

[Colin]

It'll happen someday. Mount Rushmore cowbell parts in hardcore. I mean, there's one all time goat.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

And it's sheer terror.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

Three year. Okay, here it.

[Bo]

The aglo one that you did.

[Colin]

Oh, thank you.

[Bo]

Pretty good. Good.

[Colin]

And then typo.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah. What is that?

[Colin]

It's in gravity.

[Bo]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

All over gravity.

[Bo]

Heavy cowbell.

[Colin]

Crazy.

[Bo]

How do you do that?

[Colin]

It's crazy.

[Bo]

That's right. It is in gravity.

[Colin]

So good. You both have one hand that has unlimited access to liquids from each digit. Like, each finger contains unlimited access. Yeah.

[Bo]

Protein. Gotcha.

[Colin]

Yeah. Mine would be Fair Life Vanilla from the thumb. I'd be fucking that all day.

[Bo]

Yep. Easy.

[Colin]

Water from the. From the pointer.

[Bo]

No problem. Little bit of.

[Colin]

Little bit of. Maybe. Maybe Baja Blast from the middle finger for fun. Baja Blast. Zero.

[Bo]

Okay. That's fun all day. Yeah. Okay.

[Colin]

Alternating married to Married to the white monster brother.

[Bo]

Whoa. All right. And who's.

[Colin]

You know what I'm saying?

[Bo]

Who's a little guy? You're forgetting a major Diet Coke. Okay. Thank you.

[Colin]

Yeah. I would be Dr. Evelyn on the Diet Coke.

[Bo]

Yeah. There you go.

[Colin]

Married to the white monster. Fucking the Baja Blast. Zero pointing at some water and then.

[Bo]

Sucking down some protein.

[Colin]

The vanilla Fairlife Pro protein all day.

[Bo]

Have you tried the midnight Baja yet? It's not zero.

[Colin]

No, dude, you know I don't do that.

[Bo]

I know. I've literally. You do it every day when you get coffee.

[Colin]

Yeah, I know. That's different.

[Bo]

Try it sometime. It's really, really good.

[Colin]

All right, I will. Is it okay? Yeah. Is it still tropical?

[Bo]

It's. It's like grape, but not grape. It's difficult to explain. It's more in line with like a grape. But it's like, bright the way Baja is, in a grape sense.

[Colin]

Dude. Brittany sent me this article, I think yesterday. A woman named Liz Matthews, she worked. She's worked for TACO BELL For 26 years in the, like, product development sector.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

She helps develop the Baja Blast, the Doritos Locos Taco, and the Crunch Wrap Supreme.

[Bo]

I mean, that's Michael Jordan.

[Colin]

That's a hero. Dude.

[Bo]

It's Michael Jordan.

[Colin]

Imagine inventing the Baja Blast. Just like scientifically creating the perfect soda to go along with your food.

[Bo]

What is the flavor of Baja Blast?

[Colin]

It's a tropical Blast.

[Bo]

It's just tropical.

[Colin]

Tropical explosion.

[Bo]

Citrus. Okay.

[Colin]

Yeah. It's so good.

[Bo]

I can't. I mean, I. I can't tell you. Another time where a random offshoot flavor stuck around like this. No.

[Colin]

Like vanilla Coke, maybe.

[Bo]

Maybe. And it's kind of hard to find. Yeah. Yeah. I love Vanilla Chrome.

[Colin]

That's so good. I remember when it came out. I'll never forget which down presser songs are your favorites to play live now that you're playing with them. Don't need a reason.

[Bo]

I knew it. That song's awesome.

[Colin]

I get to do that the whole time. Yeah, that one's incredible. I love Arm's length from the 7 inch. So weird and probably. I mean, the intro is. I wish I could really fucking slam the tubs on the intro.

[Bo]

Why can't you?

[Colin]

But if it's not razor precise, it doesn't hit the same, you know?

[Bo]

I see.

[Colin]

It needs to be fun. Fun, fun, fun. Can't be Schlop city. Here we go. Do you guys love each other?

[Bo]

Of course.

[Colin]

Yeah, big time.

[Bo]

I. Yeah, absolutely.

[Colin]

Big time. Un. Un. Unbelievably. Take us through. This is the last question.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

Take us through your Spotify rap this year.

[Bo]

That's fun.

[Colin]

That's a great question.

[Bo]

Now here's. As we get our phones out. Here's the problem with my Spotify wrapped. Mine is.

[Colin]

We'Re Apple music guys, where.

[Bo]

I'm really an Apple music guy when I'm. When I'm. When I'm like going to listen to something.

[Colin]

Yes.

[Bo]

My Sonos system is hooked up through Spotify. So when I ask the Amazon lady to play me X, Y and Z, it's mostly ambient shit through Spotify. So my Spotify rap gets a little fucky.

[Colin]

What was your top five?

[Bo]

My top five artists or songs Artists. Stan gets. That's when I clean the apartment, I say, Alexa, play some. Some jazz. Brian Eno. That is when I say, Alexa, play some ambient crowbar. McGee.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's when you just go, Alexa.

[Bo]

Yeah. After that is McGee. Which is hilarious because I listened to one song.

[Colin]

Oh, wow.

[Bo]

One song. And then number five, Marty Robbins. And what's funny about Marty Robbins? It's the. The ballad. The outlaw gunslingers ballads or whatever that is just when Harm's Way is on tour. Because that's like a really good way to start a drive. A night drive. That's it.

[Colin]

That's just. You tore it a lot this year.

[Bo]

I toured a lot this year. What are your top five?

[Colin]

My top five. Number five is Post Animal.

[Bo]

Oh, I went opposite direction. But yeah.

[Colin]

Good new record. Iron out now. Listen to that a lot.

[Bo]

Fantastic.

[Colin]

It's fantastic. Lady Gaga number four. Mayhem dominated the first half of the year.

[Bo]

Oh. The.

[Colin]

The Gaga the album into another number three.

[Bo]

Wow. Good for you.

[Colin]

But that's a. That's a perpetual.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Addiction for me.

[Bo]

Good for you.

[Colin]

If I. If I pop, I don't stop, you know.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

If I listen to another for a day, it's a week.

[Bo]

Got you.

[Colin]

It's dangerous. It's a dangerous drug for me. Number two is Morrissey.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

Which is. Which is normal.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

But the Live at Earl's Court going up on Spotify this year really put the numbers up. Really was like. That kept me. That kept me sustained. And then Jade was number one, Right.

[Bo]

Fuck. You were obsessed with that.

[Colin]

Obsessed, man. That. I mean, I. I walked all over London for a week. Literally walked 30, 40 miles a day sometimes.

[Bo]

Wow.

[Colin]

To the five songs that she had released at the time, go to what's your. What's your listening age?

[Bo]

What's yours, Colin?

[Colin]

52?

[Bo]

83.

[Colin]

83.

[Bo]

It was 83, man.

[Colin]

You decrepit old bastard. 83 is crazy. But yeah. I mean, this track definitely tracks Brian.

[Bo]

Eno and Stan Getz. Dude.

[Colin]

That's crazy.

[Bo]

I just put on random ambient playlists and it kind of fucks with all my shit.

[Colin]

I really do not use Spotify that off.

[Bo]

I don't.

[Colin]

I'm really an Apple music.

[Bo]

I don't use it the way that wrapped is intended.

[Colin]

Right.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Where it's like all my list. This is me.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You know. No, no. This is an Apple music show. And that's our. That's our show, guys. This is 2025 was such a fantastic year.

[Bo]

I had a great year. It was a good year.

[Colin]

I mean, this is our best year yet. Just in terms of like everything.

[Bo]

Yeah. And it feels like next year is already shaping up to match, if not go better, honestly.

[Colin]

We got some shit. We got shit books already.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah. Thank you guys so much for the support this year. It was unbelievable. Some of our biggest episodes, some of our best episodes.

[Bo]

Yeah.

[Colin]

We launched the new channel six months ago, so you guys are the best. And if you're. If. If you're not a Patreon member yet, join there. We're gonna be given away and item a month.

[Bo]

We. God. I want to go. I want to tell this saga. I shipped out the guitar that we gave away today. Sweetwater was kind enough to present us with a Gibson Les Paul studio thousand dollar guitar for free.

[Colin]

Cameron Wood.

[Bo]

We picked a random Patreon subscriber.

[Colin]

Well, you did. You did an. I mean we did this for real.

[Bo]

Yeah, this. This was for real. Where there was no. I put. I exported every name that is a paying or other. Every name actually that is a member of our patreon from the U.S. from the U.S. yes.

[Colin]

That.

[Bo]

That's. That was the caveat. From the U.S. canada. Anywhere else not included is just so insane. Hit randomize on this page. I found. Did the whole thing. And we got Cameron Wood. I hope he doesn't mind me saying he's a. He's a working man. It seems in. In Central America. Not Central America, but the central United States and just. Yeah, you know, I hope. I don't know if he plays guitar. I don't know. But it doesn't matter. It's his.

[Colin]

I love that he didn't know about the giveaway.

[Bo]

Yeah, we contact. He. We emailed him. He's like, oh, I didn't even know. This is amazing. It's like good. He's just been. He's been. He's like a 10 month subscriber or something. It's fantastic. 15 month actually.

[Colin]

Would have been happy if it. Whoever it went to, of course.

[Bo]

But it felt good to go to someone who wasn't. I don't know. I was just very, very satisfied with it. But real quick, I went into the UPS store last week and I got a. I got a couple gals there who have worked there forever since I've been in that neighborhood. I. I bring them Dunkin Donuts gift cards every year for Christmas because they're like the best. And I asked the one, hey, I gotta ship this guitar. It's about this big. You think it's better? Should I just go to the post office? And she was like, honestly? Yeah, like not a whole lot we can.

[Colin]

Which is so kind.

[Bo]

Yeah. And I was like, okay, cool. I'll just do that. Went to the post office today. For anybody listening, it's the Roberto Clemente post office on California Avenue at Fullerton. Lost my mind. The lady was just, just terrible to me. But she tried to charge $253 to ship this guitar. It's $253. So I said, no, thank you. I went to UPS. It was $120.

[Colin]

It's that. It's the union, dude.

[Bo]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Colin]

Ups, they're heroes, man.

[Bo]

I don't know what's going on with USPS in this country, but I got.

[Colin]

A thing going on Right now you got. I sold my 4090 on eBay.

[Bo]

Okay.

[Colin]

Shipped it the next day.

[Bo]

Beautiful.

[Colin]

They attempt to redeliver it to me.

[Bo]

What?

[Colin]

I'm looking at the tracking and it says attempted delivery in Van Nuys. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Then I get another. Then I get another notification. Package seized by Postal Inspection Services.

[Bo]

Is it because of the tariff shit?

[Colin]

I don't know. I'm shipping it to Delaware. The fucking USPS thinks I've sent the bomb in this goddamn package and they've stolen it from me and won't give me any info.

[Bo]

I mean this with all due respect. Why did you do usps?

[Colin]

Well, I did it through ebay and it was. And that was like the recommended automatically generated.

[Bo]

Okay, Same. I just sold something to is the same.

[Colin]

You know, it's the first thing that comes up. And I tried to reach. I was like, okay, maybe I should change this and regenerate something else. But you. It's like, oh, in order to do that, you have to pay for shipping again, you know, 60. Another $60 to change anything. Oh, my USPS is in the gutter, dude. It's in the trash.

[Bo]

And you know what? If you're a mailman, male lady out.

[Colin]

There, you're the best.

[Bo]

You're the best. We're not talking about.

[Colin]

Don't worry, we're never talking about you. Nothing but love and respect to you. Anybody who carriers keep this country going.

[Bo]

Straight up. But anybody who goes to an inner city post office knows exactly what I'm talking about.

[Colin]

At a terrible day today, they want to fuck you. And then the Postal Inspection Service, if you're listening, call me, dude, I'm waiting for a call. What's going on with this package? I feel this poor guy is so patient. If I was the guy who bought this thing, dude, I'd be killing me.

[Bo]

Did you, like, message him?

[Colin]

Every day.

[Bo]

I'm like, brother, hey, man.

[Colin]

Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Yeah, it's been seized. They want me dead because, you know.

[Bo]

He thinks, like, you're scamming.

[Colin]

I'm scamming it.

[Bo]

Yeah, of course.

[Colin]

I'm about to send him my Instagram. You know, I'm a real guy.

[Bo]

I'm real. I'm not fucking you.

[Colin]

Yeah, I swear. I'm a normal dude. I will. I'll make it right. Anyway, that's our post office rant. Down with the post office. All Due respect to FedEx, UPS, you guys are good.

[Bo]

I back the brown and gold dude.

[Colin]

100%. We love you all. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.

[Bo]

Thanks for the year.

[Colin]

The best of 2025 is up next week, so you're going to watch the annual compilation episode of all our favorite moments from the.

[Bo]

Oh, my God.

[Colin]

Enjoy. See you next week. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.