Jeremy Bolm: Touché Amoré, Grief, Growth, & 10 Years of STAGE FOUR

Summary

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HardLore Podcast – Jeremy Bolm: Touché Amoré, Grief, Growth, & 10 Years of STAGE FOUR

March 5, 2026

Overview

In a deeply resonant and candid episode, Colin Young and Bo Lueders are joined by Jeremy Bolm, vocalist of Touché Amoré, for an extensive conversation tracing his roots from Burbank’s punk-metal underground through the personal and artistic milestones that forged Touché Amoré. The trio dig into Jeremy’s formative years, early creative hunger, the evolution of his bands, and the raw process behind the landmark "Stage Four" album, offering a masterclass in vulnerability, musical lineage, and scene-building.

Main Themes

• Jeremy’s formative musical and personal influences from suburban Burbank
• The Southern California punk and hardcore lineage
• Early band experiences and DIY touring grit
• The creative and emotional process behind Touché Amoré’s discography, with a focus on grief and growth in "Stage Four"
• Navigating vulnerability, expectations, and community connection in hardcore
• Reflections on personal challenges, industry changes, and staying true to artistic intent

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Early Life & Influences

Growing Up in Burbank

[04:08]

• Jeremy describes Burbank as a weirdly “devoid of culture” despite being surrounded by TV/film industry landmarks.
• Raised by a single, hardworking mother; a latchkey kid “never taken to the movies,” but obsessed with TV and music.
• “It kind of messes with your brain... you’ll put on a movie and be like, that’s the opening.” — Jeremy

Childhood Musical Discovery

[07:07]

• Michael Jackson and Nirvana loom large in his earliest musical memories; the “Bad” music video and pop culture as soft entryways to punk.
• “First CD I ever bought was Thriller.” — Beau
• The loss of Kurt Cobain (“I was about to turn 11... music is done for me, I’ll never like music again.”) was a foundational moment.

Grunge to Punk Gateway

[12:36]

• Green Day’s "Dookie" as Jeremy’s launching pad into punk, followed by NOFX’s "Punk in Drublic."
• Lists the moment KROQ played NOFX as “lore”—the sense that NOFX was "more punk than Green Day."
• Also a huge early influence: Korn’s “Blind” video, steering Jeremy into metal and later the hardcore/straight edge world via Sepultura, Earth Crisis (via OzFest '96 VHS).

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Musical Beginnings & Scene Building

Local Mentors & Hardcore Discovery

[18:27]

• Mentorship from James Morris (Downset), who guided Jeremy into deeper hardcore lore (VOD, Pantera, Earth Crisis tours).
• The “map” of musical influence via liner notes is described: “The thank you list was a roadmap.”

Early Bands & First Tours

[24:10]

• Jeremy’s first tour: selling merch for Taken, supporting Poison the Well (“my first experience being in a van”).
• Early bands included Victim of Atrocity (“hardest name for a bunch of white kids from Burbank”), Stricken (nu-metal/electronics-punk hybrid), and Thriller.
• Practical effects and DIY shows at the Cobalt Cafe: “We were the Fugazi of the worst shit.”
• “All the girls would come in and just start dancing like crazy… then leave, and then the monsters would come back.” — Jeremy

Influence Network & Musical Evolution

[19:52]

• Liner notes and record store culture (e.g., discovering Strife via Deftones, Victory Records maps to Snapcase, etc.)
• Reflection on how scene discovery was once navigated via physical formats—a “lost art.”

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Touché Amoré – Formation and Growth

The Band’s Genesis

[53:35]

• Jeremy leaves Thriller, puts Touche Amoré together within four months (“just wanted to chase that feeling” after filling in for I Am the Ocean).
• Early line-up: Tyson (guitar), Z (drums), Nick (bass), Clayton (guitar), Jeremy (vocals).
• “It was like getting a bunch of almost-strangers in a room and seeing what comes out.”

Early Recordings and DIY Mentality

[59:42]

• Touche Amoré’s first demo self-released in an elaborate DVD package, quickly picked up by No Sleep Records.
• Band’s only goals: “put out as many cool things on vinyl as possible, play as many cool shows as possible.”
• Art and presentation critical—Nick’s art background and connection to Sunbather album cover for Deafheaven.

Finding the Band’s Voice

[62:39]

• The band quickly establishes their identity; debut tracks remain staples to this day.
• “It seems like you kind of figured out who you were right away." — Colin

Touring and Scene Reaction

[91:17]

• Relentless touring—“playing 200+ shows a year.” Will play house shows on days off.
• First Euro tour was brutal ("snowing, don’t expect a lot of people").
• Surmounting feelings of being “unwelcome” at early hardcore shows (e.g. Sound and Fury)—despite outsider status, connection grows.

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Grief, Growth & "Stage Four"

The Making of "Stage Four"

[97:48]; [98:31]

• Trigger: The passing of Jeremy’s mother—“the most personal thing I’ve experienced, put into a record.”
• Band agreed: each member must be 100% onboard with every decision; “no one’s compromising, everybody loves every song.”
• Lyrics came easily—writing about his mother, the hospital, clearing out the house, unresolved grief.
• “All I did was pour everything into that. Some people asked: Are you sure you want to do this every night?” — Jeremy

Emotional Fallout and Community Impact

[103:54]; [104:53]

• Still difficult to perform or discuss the record due to repeated triggers and emotionally heavy interactions with fans.
• “People just need to talk to me… that was the part of that album I did not expect and still don’t have a good handle on.” — Jeremy
• Sees the record as both catharsis and a lighthouse for others in mourning: “The value that has been put onto it is immeasurable.” — Beau
• On including a voicemail from his mother in the album’s outro: “As time goes on… I’m very happy that I have a recorded record, literally on a record, of that.”

Notable Quote

“If you try just hard enough, you can play with your favorite band, and it’s not even trying that hard… And if you’re not a dick for long enough, you’re gonna be their friend in some way.” — Jeremy [107:11]

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Unique Voice & Vulnerability

Mutational Falsetto & “Secret Voice”

[32:31]; [34:51]; [35:02]

• For the first time publicly, Jeremy discusses his rare “mutational falsetto” condition: “My talking voice is in a falsetto…it’s curable, but it’s who I am.”
• The podcast was started to confront self-consciousness about his own voice—“the thing I’m absolutely most self-conscious about.”
• “Dude, you’re like the Incredible Hulk. You’re always angry and that’s your secret.” — Colin [33:52]
• “It was always called Secret Voice,” which became the label’s name and a party trick on tours.

Reception and Acceptance

[39:06]

• Despite his worries, Jeremy is beloved: “Multiple people today were like, ‘great guy’… so it don’t matter what you sound like.” — Beau
• Voice can become more fragile with stress; he describes “monk-like” vocal control for singing.

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Recording with Ross Robinson & Lament

The Ross Robinson Experience

[122:47]; [125:46]; [127:49]

• Initial tryout is combative: “First thing out of his mouth is, ‘So where’s your mom right now?’ And I said, ‘Nope.’”
• Both eventually gain respect for each other’s process; “He never stood in the booth with me again. He just believed in it.”
• Recording with Robinson means heightened emotional stakes and the expectation to fully buy into every word and note.
• “If someone walked in and was like, ‘I am gonna shoot Ross Robinson unless I shoot you first,’ I would take the bullet.” — Jeremy

Notable Quote

“What drew me to Korn was the vulnerability. And that, I think, informed everything in my life going forward.” — Jeremy [123:58]

Lou Barlow (Dinosaur Jr./Sebadoh) Collab

[143:08]; [147:37]

• Lou Barlow guest spots on “Subversion” after Jeremy reaches out—a “top coolest thing” for the band.
• “It is brazen to be like, ‘Hey, would you sing your song on my song?’ …and he said, ‘Sounds fun.’” — Jeremy

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Scene Lore, Touring, and Hardcore Community

Record Collecting & Scene Lore

[26:40]

• Jeremy’s most valuable collectibles: original Jane Doe pressings, rare Saetia and Acacia records, Walk Among Us first press, etc.
• Regrets trading Hums Downward is Heavenward for a water-damaged orchid split [28:47].

Show Promoting, Merch, and Economics

[72:30]

• Details the “arc” of T-shirt pricing and punk guilt about increasing prices; the reality of rising costs and changing expectations.
• “The consumer, the people who want to support you, have never batted an eye since the beginning, and that is a miracle.” — Jeremy

Touring Bands and Day-to-Day Life

[151:07]

• Chipotle is a safety food; Jeremy personally loves Smithfields (NC/SC) BBQ and Wendy’s spicy chicken.
• Describes European fast food as a “lifeline.”
• On supernatural encounters: “No, never seen a ghost, but I like to hope ghosts are real.” [153:31]

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Quick Takes, Memories & Band Lore

Humorous/Notable Segment Timestamps

• Colin’s double Whopper appendix story: [03:26]
• Jeremy’s first demo, discovering punk through Green Day and NOFX: [12:36]
• Detailed elaborations on scene connections via record stores: [25:16]
• Mutational falsetto reveal & “secret voice” live: [33:14]
• First band (“Victim of Atrocity”) description: [42:36]
• Crowd dynamics at Cobalt Cafe (“all the girls would come in and start dancing... then the monsters would come back”): [46:16]
• Touche Amoré’s established goals: [60:09]
• On touring in the “Sound and Fury” scene and feeling like outsiders: [81:15]
• “The arc of a hardcore band can be measured by the prices of their T-shirts.”: [72:30]
• Spiritual (and literal) origins of "Stage Four": [97:53]
• Emotional toll of repeated fan interactions about grief: [104:53]
• Ross Robinson throws Jeremy into catharsis: [129:50]
• Lou Barlow’s “sounds fun” response to guest spot ask: [147:37]

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Essential Quotes

• On influence and discovery:
  “The thank you list was a roadmap.” [20:41]

• On grief in music:
  “I didn't go to grief therapy... I just poured everything into that [record] because it was there.” [102:42]

• On scene and connection:
  “If you're not a dick for long enough, you're gonna be [your heroes'] friend in some way.” [107:24]

• On self-consciousness and acceptance:
  “My talking voice is [in a] falsetto… It's curable, but it's who I am.” [34:51]

• On hardcore:
  “Even if you don't like this, you like this [In This Defiance, Strife].” [156:40]

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Top Four Hardcore Records – Jeremy Bolm [155:20]

1. Converge – Jane Doe
2. Cursed – II
3. Strife – In This Defiance
4. VOD – Self-Titled

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Closing Thoughts

Touché Amoré’s journey, as told through Jeremy’s open-hearted stories and scene deep-dives, offers a rare look at the emotional engine powering DIY hardcore’s most enduring acts. From formative losses to creative legacy, Jeremy’s tale is one of persistence, vulnerability, and the life-affirming power of music.

“If you try just hard enough, you can play with your favorite band, and it’s not even trying that hard.”
— Jeremy Bolm

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Jeremy Bolm]

I remember we were playing a festival in Europe. I got pulled in. You know, it was pouring rain at a festival, and it was like, hey, you have to do this interview. So I'm like, okay, go. And, you know, close the van door. Just, you know, classic. Doing an interview in a van and the guy just starts bawling at me about the record. It just kind of seemed like he just needed to talk to me. That was the part of the. Of that album that I did not expect and still don't have a good handle on. Of like, hey, man person, anyone. I'm also going through this.

[Colin]

Hello, welcome. It's hard Lore time. How you doing, Beau?

[Beau]

I'm doing great, Colin. I'm very excited this evening.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Who do we have?

[Colin]

It's a beautiful day here in the Valley at the Pit recording studio. Speaking of the Valley, I've got to introduce our. Our lovely, lovely guest today. It's a big week on the show, so allow me to introduce a true San Fernando Valley og, One of the most prominent voices in post hardcore with blast beats, a music aficionado. Touche, amore. Vocalist and my friend of over 20 years.

[Jeremy Bolm]

How about that?

[Colin]

Jeremy Balm.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, come on. It's. It's nice to be. I'm gonna do the full. Come on.

[Colin]

Reach over me.

[Jeremy Bolm]

The far reach.

[Colin]

Welcome.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Thank you.

[Beau]

How you feeling? How you doing?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I'm. I'm good. I was just saying this might be. As I've gotten older, I've become a lot more nervous with interviews. I don't know why that is, because

[Beau]

everything can go everywhere so fast.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I don't know. You know, I don't know if it's really that. I think it's just. I don't know. It's like. I've never had stage fright, you guys.

[Colin]

Nothing bad shows, I'm horrified. Great shows, I'm like, let's go.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I think just when we've been doing this as long as we have, we've felt all the things of, like, this went well, this didn't go well. And I think that anxiety and the stress of the world non stop has, like, amplified all the things that could go wrong. But I'm with friends. Yeah. Yeah. And that's all.

[Colin]

You're safe here.

[Beau]

You got your moonstruck hat on.

[Colin]

Yeah. Oh, my God. I just noticed that. Cher.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Shout out Cher front of the show. Cher, obviously. Let's go back in time here. Let's get real comfortable. Let's get real familiar, and I want to learn some things about you today.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay?

[Colin]

There's so much. I don't know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Let's go back in time. Tell me about young Jeremy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay.

[Colin]

Growing up. Where did you grow up? In Burbank.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Burbank. St. Joe's Hospital.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I got my appendix out there.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Colin]

That's where it happened with the Burger King.

[Beau]

How about that?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You see what the Burger King did? Yeah.

[Colin]

It's a whole thing.

[Beau]

Do it. Say it real quick. It's. It's.

[Colin]

They have told it a bunch, but when I got my appendix out, it ruptured.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Didn't. Wait. Yeah, it ruptured. Didn't burst.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Right.

[Colin]

On my way there, I was like, I'm feeling a little. This hurts. But I gotta eat.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Like, maybe it's that.

[Colin]

I was like, well, I'm going to the doctor. I gotta eat something.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Colin]

So I got a double Whopper combo. Large. Full. Full sugar, Dr. Pepper.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I feel like on the list of things to ingest before an epidectomy, that's, like, on the.

[Colin]

No, it's on a chart.

[Beau]

Don't get the double.

[Colin]

Yeah, double Whopper is on the chart. The do not, do not ingest chart got there and they were like, yeah, this is. This has got to come out. Have you eaten anything today? I was like, well, you know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

See, the thing is this. Yeah.

[Colin]

By anything. There's a double Whopper, large fry, onion ring and a full sugar Dr. Pepper count. So I stayed an extra day. Lovely hospital. Great place to be born. Congrats. Tell me about growing up in Burbank.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, it's. You spent some time there.

[Colin]

I love it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. It's an interesting place to grow up. Yeah. This has come up, you know, just talking to mutual Valley friends or just people. People from other states that had very more rural upbringings. It's kind of a fascinating thing to say where it's like. It kind of messes with your brain a bit when you're a kid because you'll put on a movie and be like, that's opening. First time I saw Back to the Future.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

He skates out of the parking lot next to the Burger King, Right?

[Colin]

Oh, hey.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. It all ties together. It's the Burger King. And what used to be in that parking lot was the Toys R Us.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So as a kid, you know. You know that location. Wow.

[Colin]

Super bad.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You're right. The liquor store down the way. My high school is where they filmed the Wonder Years. The True Romance Safari Inn is around the corner from where I grew up.

[Beau]

I have a little bit of that with Chicago Okay, John Hughes movies, you get a little bit of that. But not. I come here and I'm like, yeah, so, wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So there's. So there's that weirdness and then there's also. If you are born and raised there, there's a chance that your folks work in the industry in some capacity. It's probably not a glamorous job. It's probably, you know, I was raised with a single mom definition, latchkey kid. I lived around the block from my high school, so it was just like ditching school with my dickhead friends and just like, you know, hanging out and whatever else. Not really being policed on what I was doing, watching or whatever. But I also had two parents that were so burnt out by work and also being a single mom that like, I was never taken to the movies. Oh, man, it was just like, I work in movies. I don't want to go. I don't want to like go do more of that.

[Colin]

So you discovered because you're a big movie guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So. So I had to find all of that stuff on my own. And I've talked to other friends from Burbank and they kind of agree that it's like, it's kind of a weird thing where it almost makes you sort of devoid of culture even though you're surrounded by it.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So interesting. Yeah, it wasn't until I got like, I loved TV and things like that, but it wasn't until I got older that going to friends houses whose parents also didn't police them on what they were watching. And it's just like, oh, yeah, my dad, you know, my mom didn't watch a ton of stuff of friends. She's like, oh, yeah, my dad let me rent, you know, Terminator 2, Predator every time, Die Hard. And then R rated movies and everything else kind of came into my life. But, you know, I don't know how you.

[Colin]

Things that are kept from us that become like, oh, yeah, now, now I need unlimited of that.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yes. Sometimes. Absolutely.

[Beau]

Not for me.

[Jeremy Bolm]

What?

[Beau]

You know, I'm just saying.

[Colin]

Yeah, you're not like a horror guy.

[Beau]

So what came first, music or movies?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Music. Yeah, yeah, music. I was pretty obsessed pretty young. I was of the age group that like Michael Jackson was just like inescapable. It was just like instantly just like, I need. Can I get a jacket that looks like that? Like, just obsessed.

[Beau]

First CD I ever bought was Thriller as a child.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

We'll talk a little bit more about Thriller later, huh?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Bad was mine. Like, bad. Just that music video was just like the epitome of cool to me. I think it was like the mix of, like. I've never put this together until now, but like the bad music video with, like, jean jackets, leather jackets, that sort of a thing. And then also, like, Ernest Goes to Camp. There was the one bad boy kid who had, like, the cutoff jean vest and, like, spiky bracelet is like kind of my intro to like, oh, that. I think that could be punk.

[Beau]

That's awesome.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Kind of a thing, which is interesting,

[Colin]

but thank you, Martin Scorsese and Ernest.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And Ernest. Yes.

[Colin]

It always comes back to both. So what are some early punk bands you connected with? Oh, how did you find them?

[Jeremy Bolm]

So my, like. Okay, so I liked Michael Jackson and stuff like that, and then I got unsurprisingly obsessed with Nirvana, Pearl Jam.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I was. I was the right age, the right everything for that. Like, I. You know, Kurt Cobain died day before. Yeah. Day before my birthday.

[Colin]

What was that like for white people in 1994?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Huge.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Huge

[Colin]

Burbank dude. Yeah, dude, Tears everywhere.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I was about to turn 11.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay. So I was in the back seat of neighbor's car. They had taken us to Pink's hot dog.

[Beau]

Oh, man. We had a.

[Colin]

Those are our guys, man.

[Beau]

We had a hard lore Dog.

[Colin]

We had a dog.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's cool. What was on it?

[Beau]

Guacamole, you know?

[Colin]

Yeah, guac.

[Beau]

It's version one. V2 will be.

[Colin]

V2 is going to be lit, trust me. What was on it? Chicago dog with guac.

[Beau]

It was a Chicago dog with guac, basically.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah. Which.

[Colin]

Doesn't that sound nice?

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's cool.

[Beau]

It was good. It was legitimately good.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I like that. It's a mix of both of your personalities, too. We try.

[Beau]

We'll do more.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But yeah, like, I was backseat of the backseat and it came on over the radio. It was like Kurt Cobain, lead singer of Nirvanas, found passed away in his home. And I was so devastated that I didn't get out of the car. Like, I was just, like, confused. It was like the first, like. And I. And I took it, like, personally too, because it was like right before my birthday where I was just like, music. And I've said this before, I was just like. I genuinely was like, music is done for me. I'll never like music again.

[Beau]

How could he do that?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, straight up. Because. But in a way, that's how your brain thinks as a kid. You're just like. But you're You're.

[Colin]

You're my guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You're my guy.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So that was devastating.

[Beau]

Did you discover Pearl Jam and Nirvana because of, like, K Rock and other stuff, or was it also the MTV kroc?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, like the even flow music video when Eddie Vedder stage dives. You know, this is.

[Colin]

We've been chasing that ever since, you know, as a.

[Jeremy Bolm]

As the little brother. When you see that, you go, look at all of that attention. Like, oh, my God. You know, it's just like. I think it implants it in my head to be like, I want to rock. You know, like that kind of a thing. So that's when all of that. You know, and then I just. Was the kid who. There was a record store on the corner right there in Burbank called D.B. cooper's. Coolest name for a record store that I did not. Did not know what that was.

[Beau]

The guy who won, who discovered with the money.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Nice.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, that was the name of the record store. How cool was that? Yeah, and that, you know, that probably closed in the very early 2000s or late 90s or something, but can you

[Colin]

recall the first record you ever bought from there?

[Beau]

First ever.

[Colin]

First ever.

[Jeremy Bolm]

First ever record I bought from there. I probably. I probably can't, but. But cassette. I mean, cassettes. I know some of my first, like that I walked into warehouse music, which is what. Where the chase is. And it used to be a warehouse music. I mean, some of the earliest cassettes were like, obviously, like the Nirvana 10. Or. Sorry, Pearl Jam 10. Nirvana, nevermind. But then also like TLC. Ooh, on the TLC tip. Loved shit like that. Guns N Roses. Use your illusion. Maybe two.

[Colin]

Because of Terminator 2?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah. That actually probably is why.

[Beau]

It absolutely is why. Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Black Album. Metallica is named for that.

[Beau]

He looked right.

[Colin]

Black Album.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Black Album.

[Beau]

We're closer. I'm like, right in between you two in age.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, okay.

[Beau]

So a lot of what you're saying, I.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You're resonating.

[Beau]

Yeah, it was like I went to a daycare also being a latchkey kid later on. But when she would have me in daycare, there was one record, and it was the single to beat it. You know what I mean? So it's like. I'm like. And the. The ruins of. Of what you grew up in over by me. So, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. How do you go from, okay, yeah, Nirvana, Pearl Jam to So I.

[Jeremy Bolm]

There an easy entry point, which probably gets said a lot here. It's said a lot on my show Green Day Dookie is like kind of an entry to like. Okay. That seems like it's different. And then I found. And then through this Southern Californian Ness found no Effects. And Punk and Drublic being. Being right then and there. And hearing the lore that they tried that Kroc played Leave It Alone on the air and apparently Fat Mike called and said, stop it. That was lore. That kind of came to me in a way where I was like, wait a minute. But no Effects seems to be like more punk than Green Day.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Kind of a thing.

[Beau]

My first show ever was no Effects.

[Jeremy Bolm]

No way. Who else played? Do you remember?

[Beau]

Yeah. Mad Caddies, Frenzel Rom, an Australian punk band who are still rocking to this day. And some. Something else.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Some fat.

[Beau]

Oh, it was like all fat.

[Jeremy Bolm]

All fat records.

[Beau]

But Punk and Drublic was the record.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's awesome. Yeah. Do you still.

[Beau]

Yeah, I ride for no Effects.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Absolutely. Yeah. Same, same. You never did.

[Colin]

I liked. I read the book and that, honestly.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Really, really made me. I'm down.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And they got some.

[Colin]

I'm a Big Bad Religion Guy, so.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's right there.

[Beau]

Well, it's funny too. Not to go full into no Effects, but like, guitar wise, they are very good guitar players. Lots of crazy picking.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Drums are rock solid. And then there's all the shit from like melodic punk to fast punk to kind of reggae and stuff. To the Bruise, which is an OI song.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yep.

[Beau]

Which puts in my brain at my first time exactly. That, like, oh, this is like a punk thing. I wonder what this is from. So it was a very. It was a perfect gateway into actual underground.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. At the time. Well said. Yeah, that's. That's all too true. Also give credit words, dude. Those are for degenerates to play.

[Colin]

Oh, my God.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That.

[Colin]

It's crazy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. It's like. No. I got into the Replacements later in my life, but it's like when you have that level of being a degenerate and with that level of talent and being able to do both at maximum ability.

[Colin]

Yeah, it's awesome. Undeniable.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Pretty cool. After Kurt died, when I was like, music's dead for me. Six months later, I saw the Kornblind music video, dude, and was like, that is the scariest. What the fuck? And I immediately went and bought that cassette and then that got me into metal.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Like, I already had Black Album, but,

[Beau]

like, sure, sure, sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I didn't. And I owned. I liked. I had the Black Album and Justice for all and then really fucking loved Countdown. To extinction.

[Colin]

Well, again, it's unbelievable.

[Beau]

Again, isn't. Is that the Terminator 2 record?

[Colin]

No, that would be that Last Action Hero.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, it is.

[Beau]

It's.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You're right.

[Beau]

It's Last Action Hero.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Last Angry Again. Dude.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Such a good song.

[Beau]

That record does rock. It's very Black album. So it. Totally.

[Colin]

And then they have a song in the Bogus Journey, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey soundtrack, that goes crazy and they steal the Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep. It's like a straight up Enter Salmon diss track.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's incredible. Whoa. It's awesome. Yeah, it's funny. A coworker. I work a few days at Amoeba, a coworker just told me that apparently the lore about Angry Again is that he got out of rehab sober, and that's the first song he wrote sober.

[Beau]

Whoa.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's awesome. That's wild to be, like, sobriety made you write the angriest song.

[Colin]

Yeah, that's awesome.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It was pretty sick.

[Beau]

Broken Clock. You know what I mean?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Amen. Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So we're finding corn.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, Corn.

[Beau]

Corn and no effects.

[Colin]

Corn and no effects are your gateways to the extreme.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And truthfully. And then through all of that, the Ross Robinson of it all, I get very into Sepultura roots and buy the OzFest 96 VHS, which has Earth Crisis on it.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And that's how I learned about Straight Edge. Same. Yeah. Is that. No, no.

[Colin]

Earth Crisis.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

But not specifically sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I just remember watching it and being. Because I bought the VHS Strictly for Fear Factory, for Sepultura, probably mainly those two. But I remember being. I remember watching the Neurosis part, which is in the black and white.

[Colin]

Best shit ever.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And I remember just watching that and being like, okay, that's different. Yeah. Like, there's something about, like.

[Colin]

I don't know, is it Locust Star? Is it the Locust Star?

[Jeremy Bolm]

That sounds correct.

[Colin]

It's unreal.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. But then also, when that VHS has, like, early, like, Power Man 5000. No disrespect to all the Power Man 5000 fans out there, but I remember thinking, like, okay, so that's really gimmicky.

[Beau]

Sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And, like, cold Chambers on there, I'm like, that's really gimmicky. Yeah.

[Beau]

You can tell.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And then you watch Earth Crisis and you're like, they have Xs on their hands. That might be gimmicky, but I want to know more. I want to know more. And they're just dressed like normal people. Yeah. And, like, it's Harder and heavier than almost anything else on this.

[Colin]

Well, it's always fascinating as a kid to start refining what you don't like, you know, because, like, there is a conscious moment. I remember the first movie I saw in theaters that I thought to myself, I didn't like that was Sky Captain in the World Tomorrow. And I was pretty. I was old enough to be like, I should have not liked a movie by then. But refining your tastes musically is. That's where you really begin, is being like, I don't like that. I do like this. I'm gonna chase this. I love how metallic your entry is. I bet most people would be surprised by that from you, but they don't know about your first bands like I do.

[Jeremy Bolm]

They don't know.

[Beau]

Before we get there. Did it ever blow your young mind that Sepultura toured with Earth Prices? Like, did you ever? Did you discover that?

[Jeremy Bolm]

So there was a record store in Burbank that I eventually started, got a chance to work at, called Backside. The bass player of Downset worked there, James Morris, he, in so many ways, became my shepherd, even before I started working there. To be, like. I remember going in and getting Do We Speak a Dead Language? Signed by him, because I just love that record. Like, I thought Rage was cool, but I was like, down south, that's fucking Southern California. Like, came out around the same time, you know? And granted, Zach, I know Southern California as well, respectfully. But, like, it had just, like, a different. It was way more hardcore, obviously. So that interested me a lot. And I remember talking to him, and him telling me stories about, like, oh, yeah, we took VOD on their first tour. Uh, him telling me insane stories about them touring with Pantera. Like, he. And tons of stories about touring with Earth Crisis. You know, just stuff where you're like, holy shit. Like, you actually were, like, right there for all of this stuff. Awesome.

[Colin]

So he's your old head in terms of just entry into the world, the greater world of.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Colin]

Like, very cool.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Once I. Once. There was little. I'm curious if you might have. You might have had this, too, where it was like. Because I liked a lot of. Like, I loved Deftones also super early on. Like, as soon as I got into Korn, I found Deftones. Like, a week later, you were just

[Colin]

looking at the Adidas.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Adidas catalog. I was like, Dreadlocks. No. But, yeah, like, adrenaline was massive for me when that came out. And loving the deftones. Going to D.B. cooper's, opening every CD, reading all the liner notes Chino sings on In This Defiance from Strife.

[Beau]

That's right.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So I was like. And Dino from Fear Factory plays on it too. So I see both those names in the credits and I was like, what the fuck is this CD bought that. That's still like an all time favorite hardcore.

[Colin]

And then you find out they're from down the street.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, totally. And I was like, wait, this is California Whatever. And then Victory Records. Then I'm like, I know that because of the Earth crisis thing. And now I'm gonna buy Snap Case. Now I'm buy all anything.

[Colin]

This is the universal tale until like Internet.

[Beau]

Yeah. Literally the liner notes, the thank you notes, the features and all that stuff is like a true lost art that I don't think will ever recover.

[Jeremy Bolm]

No.

[Colin]

Cuz even like Spotify related artists are just wrong, dog. Yeah.

[Beau]

Like you could still put it in the records and I hope people do. We do. You know, Like I'm sure. But it's. You're not looking for it for the same reason.

[Colin]

You don't have to look anymore.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And I wonder if there's also the aspect of. There are so many pivotal hardcore records that everybody just knows to point to, to be like that one. And then you have the thank you list to be like, here's my path. Right. Whereas like nowadays we're all in bands that put out several records at all times. So I don't know if it's as easy for someone to find the record from one of your bands. The record from one of your bands kind of a thing to be like. Now which thank you list do I follow?

[Beau]

There could be some underrated record no one's ever heard of with the greatest thank you list of all time.

[Colin]

True.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Beau]

You would never know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But it's.

[Colin]

I mean, the origin of our genre, hardcore.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Is right there, you know, and it is this traceable tree that you can follow to get to us. And I hope people learn about the roots of that tree every time we talk about them. That's why you do it. It is the. It is a genre where that is important.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You know, and it just. It puts everything in context.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Earth Crisis and the Bad Rains. There's one. There's like a. There's one line that separates them.

[Jeremy Bolm]

There's a thing that always, I feel like gets talked about too in these similar conversations is like when you take a chance on a cd, you know, where like you see the label and you're like, it's used. It's eight bucks. Yeah. I'll grab it. And it's so rough. But you're like, well, I spent my allowance on it. I'm going to make myself like this.

[Beau]

Absolutely.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And you eventually kind of do.

[Colin]

Track eight is like, that one's pretty good.

[Beau]

But there was. What's interesting, too, is even when pirating came along, there was still a sense of that, because it was a pain in the ass to just get it onto your iPad.

[Colin]

Six hours downloading all 30 megabytes of this album.

[Beau]

You know what I mean?

[Colin]

92 kilobytes per second.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Bad friend of your show, someone. I just had Davey Havoc, so I got to tell him that I think my intro to AFI was the God Money soundtrack, which they were on. But also. But hat also had Descendants, which still has my favorite Descendants song on it. Because I bought that. But I bought that because it has. Because Strife was on it, because Far was on it, because it had all of this stuff. There's the band Living Sacrifice, like Christian Meshuggah, basically hearing that, being like, what the. Like, what the fuck? But it was. That was also became a roadmap, like just discovering that soundtrack and just being, what the.

[Colin]

So how does that turn into finding local community in hardcore?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Who are your.

[Colin]

Who's your circle in Burbank? Burbank, hc.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I had to go to Orange County.

[Beau]

Really.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's where I started Taken.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Taken was huge. Like, I had friends that knew them, so I got to know them. There was Kooz Cafe out in Orange county that I would go to see them play. They were always playing with bands like Curl up and Die from Vegas. So got friendly with. With those people. The first tour I ever got, I ever did was selling merch for Taken, and they were supporting Poison the well. And like, Poison the well, that was

[Colin]

a good first tour.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It was, you know, four days, something like that. But, like, it was my first experience being in a van. Yeah. Selling merch at a show. Like, being around new people, you know, I was probably 18 years old.

[Colin]

Were you pitting hard every night?

[Jeremy Bolm]

No, I was just at the table. But just being like, this is cool.

[Colin]

Yeah, I'm on tour right now.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, just on tour. Just neat. But, yeah, it was really cool. And then the bass player of Taken, Nick Beard, went on to be in Circus Survive, and. And so when we got the offer to open for Circus revive back in 2012, it was because of that connection I had with with Nick Beard back when. So that was like, super nice.

[Beau]

Did he remember you?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We. We.

[Beau]

Oh, you.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We had known each other pretty well. Yeah. But he Had. But he had moved to the. To the east coast, and I hadn't seen him in so long.

[Colin]

So Orange county becomes your local scene.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You got a couple guys in Burbank, though.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I did.

[Colin]

You did?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You would start a couple bands with them. We'll get there in a second.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You can't wait?

[Colin]

I can't wait. When do you start collecting records?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, Burbank Band. It's a Burbank band called Bleedy Kansas. Do you remember a band called Bleeding Kansas? They put out records on Abacus, which was that Century Media affiliated label, but they got to record with Kurt Ballou. So for a band from Burbank, dude, you guys are recording a Kurt Ballou? Like, holy shit. Right? So they. To us, like, even when Touche started, the very first Touche song on the very first demo is called Negotiating the Charade. I wrote it on guitar. And that's why it sounds nothing like any other Touche songs, because that was the one song I wrote.

[Beau]

Right.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And it was me just trying to write a Bleeding Kansas song. Like, it just straight up is like,

[Colin]

you're just keeping that OG Burbank shit alive.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Alive, Right. The drummer of Bleeding Kansas, gentleman named Daniel Poliot, he just filled in for us playing drums for Elliot because Elliot has a. Has a new baby. So. Daniel, the man who played in Bleeding Kansas and got me into collecting vinyl. Yeah, he's still around. Just played with us. It's so cool to play with him. He's in Horse, the band.

[Colin]

Oh, really?

[Jeremy Bolm]

He's a drummer in Horse the band? Yeah.

[Colin]

Horse the band is Burbank HC by association affiliate there.

[Jeremy Bolm]

They kind of have some Burbank. Okay.

[Colin]

All right.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Well, yeah.

[Colin]

You learn bass players.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Bass player of Thriller was also in course, the men.

[Colin]

Really?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

We'll get there in a second. What do you think is the craziest single thing in your record collection?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Well, it's tough, but. Cause I have sentimental. But then I have also, like, value. I'm talking value value.

[Colin]

I'm talking monetary value.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have, like, all the. Like, I have every pressing of Jane Doe. Like, that helps, you know? But also, before we were on camera, we were talking about Hellfest, the last Hellfest that happened in 2004, I think it was. I brought such little money, but I was like, I'm gonna want to buy some merch. So I probably brought, like 100 bucks or something like that.

[Colin]

That could get you far back.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah. Back then. Yeah. So I was like, I brought 100 bucks with me, you know?

[Beau]

Literally 10 T shirts.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, truthfully. And I walked in and this guy had his distro out and was selling his personal collection. And the first flip was acacia 7 inch. And it's like, it's like this. It's called like the Coffin Kids Club 7 inch, which is like hand numbered out of 25. And it's like the most sought after thing. And the fact that it was like the first flip and then I went to his LPs and the first flip of that was the Seisha LP, which was also impossible to find. So I literally spent my hundred dollars on two records. Immediately I was like, well, I'm done. I'm done. That's it. I'm not coming home with anything except these. Yeah. And then at one point I had them in my backpack. Andrew W.K. was on stage later that night. I was circle pitting with everybody else and someone came up to me was like, your backpack's open. Scary.

[Beau]

Oh my God.

[Jeremy Bolm]

At that point in my life. Scariest moment.

[Colin]

Scariest moment of your whole life.

[Jeremy Bolm]

At that point in my life, that was the scariest moment, the craziest thing.

[Colin]

Yeah, probably that. Halloween seven inch.

[Beau]

Halloween seven inch.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, he's got. He's got a good.

[Beau]

He's got a good one. You got a bag too?

[Colin]

I do have the bag. It's whatever.

[Beau]

It's awesome.

[Jeremy Bolm]

What about you?

[Beau]

Aside from. He got. He gave me a Walk Among Us first press. That's probably monetarily the most, I think. But I also have. I have a double R mastering of Led Zeppelin 2. The one that skips.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's so.

[Beau]

It's mastered so loud.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, that's cool. That is cool.

[Colin]

Do you have a specific record you regret selling or trading?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yes. I had an original pressing of Hums Downward is Heavenward on blue vinyl, which I got at amoeba for $7. And someone I still know to this day was like, oh, I have this orchid split 7 inch. And at the time I was like getting really into all the Screamo stuff. And I was like, yeah, for sure. And we did the trade and like, it was a very quick interaction. And then I got. I realized it was an extremely water damaged cover. So I was. I felt very still. I immediately kind of knew I fucked up.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But now I like. It kind of haunts me.

[Colin]

We'll see if we can find that for you.

[Beau]

That buyer's remorse. That feeling when you get got.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like that record goes for quite a lot.

[Colin]

Awesome.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

When did the Long straightened Hair come for you because, man, it came. It was such a unique vibe when I was like, this guy's wild.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I can't even imagine.

[Colin]

Oh, it was unbelievable. So it was iconic, really.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Some of us were just really victims of the era.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I never had cool hair. Let me start by saying that.

[Colin]

But you're pitting for Andrew W.K. at hellfest04, so, like, you're cool, you know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I appreciate it.

[Colin]

You're doing great.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I never had cool hair. It was always just, like, dense and, like, curly, but, like, it couldn't do anything, you know? And I never had a cool hair. All my friends had straight, long hair, you know, like, just always, like. Or, like, everyone had, like, what I called the Pantera, like, the shave underneath the ponytail. Up in junior high, everyone I knew had that. So, like, I just never had, you know, just. I was, like, the odd person out, just being like, you know, I got nothing over here. And so when all of a sudden, it was like, wait a minute, I can grow this out. And just. And now. Now I can be one of them.

[Beau]

Aha.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I was terrible at doing it, though.

[Colin]

Do you have any photos of it?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, sure.

[Beau]

Here they are.

[Colin]

Now you have to do it.

[Beau]

Wow, that looks crazy.

[Colin]

Isn't that great?

[Beau]

That's nuts.

[Colin]

I saw him gigging with that hair.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Where'd you find this photo that you're using?

[Colin]

You sent it to me.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I sent it to you?

[Colin]

Yeah, after we were recording.

[Beau]

After we're done recording.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Fantastic. Great. I'll find, like, the least embarrassing.

[Colin]

Yeah, no, it's up to you. You choose your own destiny.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. It'll be a photo from us playing at the Car Cobalt.

[Colin]

I love it. Probably there.

[Beau]

Your hair is naturally curly.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And over the pandemic, I felt it fitting, and I was like, it.

[Colin]

That's how to do it, man.

[Beau]

It's funny because we met very briefly in Belgium in 2010.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Nails harm's Way and Rise of all played. And Touche played, too. Like, the shows, like, got combined.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yes.

[Beau]

We met very.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I think there's one other band that was on that that also makes it crazy.

[Beau]

Trap them.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, Yeah, I think. Yeah. Stacked show.

[Beau]

Yeah, it was like a stacked show in Hasselt, Belgium. No one was there, but it was good, you know, But. But we. We met briefly, and I don't me. You look the same.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, I did not have that hair then. Okay.

[Beau]

Yeah, no, not this, but even any.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, sure. It just had, like, short brown hair.

[Colin]

Yeah, it was Just classic hair.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Just hair. Lego hair.

[Colin]

You've had such a unique speaking voice from the day I met you.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Was that a source of adversity for you growing up?

[Jeremy Bolm]

You know, it's funny. I've thought about going into this year. Let's do it. Yeah. Because I've never been open about this. Oh, so it's a condition. Wow. So throughout all my years, especially being in Touche and having to do interviews on the road, and every time having to do an interview on the road, my voice is thrashed or whatever, and. Or just people hear me talk regularly and they're like, that guy fucked up his voice. I've always sound. You've known me.

[Colin]

Yeah. The whole time.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I've always sounded like this. It is a condition.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And do you. Have you ever heard. Do you know anything about. Do you. Was this leading anywhere? Okay. Because I have a record label. It's called Secret Voice, and that's been an inside joke for people closest to me who, like, know what that is. Okay. Because if I wanted to, I could talk like that. You just. Dude. What? I just jumped out of my skin. What?

[Beau]

You just scared the hell out of me. So. So you've always.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You're.

[Colin]

Dude, you're like the Incredible Hulk. You're always angry, and that's your secret. That's crazy. That was unbelievable.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Who's.

[Beau]

There was a rapper. There was a hip hop guy recently.

[Colin]

Holy.

[Beau]

I thought. I thought Taylor just played something.

[Colin]

Yeah, that was unreal. What is the condition? Badass motherfuckeritis. God damn, dude. Holy shit.

[Jeremy Bolm]

This ties in to, like, all things Touche. Okay, I can't talk louder than this. Like, I just can't. Like, my voice breaks up.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But I yell in, touche.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Hey, hey. That's that. So it's two different things. So it's called mutational falsetto.

[Colin]

That's your falsetto?

[Jeremy Bolm]

No, my talking voice.

[Colin]

Oh, okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no.

[Beau]

So you're talking in a falsetto.

[Jeremy Bolm]

My talking voice is this. And it's. It is. It's, like, curable.

[Beau]

Oh.

[Colin]

If you read about it, don't you dare cure that. No, you are not.

[Beau]

Is there a need to cure it other than you are Wolverine?

[Jeremy Bolm]

So when you read about it, it's basically like. So if we can get. We can get personal.

[Beau]

Absolutely. As personal as you want.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I feel comfortable here. This is Lord Hard Lore. So it's lore. And I thought about talking about this, too, because you guys have a great platform, and I think I've historically gotten really frustrated by the amount of people who just think I'm bad at my job, you know, or just like, oh, that guy can't do this or something like that.

[Colin]

Which is insane. Like you've sounded this way from the day I met you.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Totally.

[Colin]

And you are the singer of a coveted band, a genre leading band. And you have a fucking podcast, you know.

[Beau]

Right?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And the podcast for me was my way of kind of confronting my cause. This is the thing I'm like absolutely most self conscious about. Like really 100%. Like when I. The amount of times in my life when I meet somebody for the first time and they'll be like, can I get you some tea? That type of thing.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's just like. It's just always been something that I'm like super. It's why I don't like being in loud environments like going to a bar. Because I can't project.

[Beau]

I know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Exactly. It's that sort of a thing. So I get really stressed out about it. And so I was a late bloomer and I think having all my friends mature faster than me made me then nervous about my voice then changing.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So without me realizing it, it kind of like stuck me in this place where I mentally just like wanted. I was like. I refused. This is what I've learned about reading about it. It's kind of like you refuse to like let it all happen naturally even though your body completely changes in every other way. Yeah. So it's just, it's. That's at least what I've learned from it. But like you can. If you read, it's like, oh, this is something that is curable through going to basically like voice therapy.

[Colin]

Holy shit.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Because what I just did for you guys was like the lowest version of it.

[Colin]

That was crazy. I'm still.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I mean I can talk. It's. It. It can get really low down there.

[Colin]

Do you know about this, Erica?

[Jeremy Bolm]

But I. But this is probably what my voice would, would, would be. Which is like a little bit of a mid mix.

[Beau]

A little bit of a mix.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Wow. This is crazy.

[Colin]

How many people know about this?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Probably. So this is interesting. I used to. It used to be my party trick on tour with bands that like I become close with.

[Beau]

Of course.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. It's like not something that I've. I talk about. Sure. My family didn't really even know I could do it. I don't know that they. We never talked about it. So for me it was like a fun party trick. And it was always called Secret voice.

[Colin]

Jeremy, do the Secret voice.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, right, Right. But. But I've almost also been very protective of it where, like, if I. If you and I were on tour together and I did it for you and you thought it was a riot, don't tell anybody. And then we're at a show a year later and you go up and you're like, yo, do would never.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's like.

[Beau]

You hear that? Yeah, don't do that.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So that's also why it's like, here. It's like. Cause I think a part of me wanting to potentially talk about it was maybe put to rest the amount of people who just don't understand what's wrong with me, you know, and the amount of, you know, people in my life, whether friends, lovers, whatever, who are just like, you're. You, like, you're good. Like, you know, my. You know, my girlfriend right now is like, I would have never thought twice about how you sound. No, dude, you know what is nice to hear. But my brain, it's hard for my brain not to be like, what do you. Like, I don't believe you. Because it's the thing that I'm like, most self conscious of, you know?

[Colin]

But this is not about your voice, but just you in general.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Is like, we'll tell people, like, what episodes we have coming up.

[Beau]

We did this six times.

[Colin]

And it'll be like the. The. The chorus, hardcore people, imaginable beat down guys. And we'll be like, yeah, we got this coming up. We got Jeremy Bone coming up. They'll be like, yeah, Jeremy's sick. Like, no matter who it is, like,

[Beau]

literally multiple people today. Multiple people today. We were Super Bowls today. We were at a Super bowl party. Multiple people today were like, great guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

What a guy.

[Colin]

God, Jeremy's awesome.

[Beau]

So it don't matter what you sound like.

[Colin]

And nobody said crazy voice. Everybody said, great guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I appreciate that. Yeah. And, you know, I mentioned being nervous for this. Like, I think that was lingering in my head. And also, as I've gotten older, the more nervous I get, I feel my voice break up a lot more. Oh, so there's also that it's all mental. Exactly. You know, you and I maybe have talked about this where, like, someone once explained to me, losing your voice is mental. Which is. I kind of believe it. Because, for instance, you have like a

[Beau]

monk, like, practice, though, where you're doing this thing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

That your control of your voice is kind of.

[Colin]

Does it hurt you to do the secret voice?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Not at all.

[Colin]

You just. It's a choice. Not.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's A choice. And I've met.

[Colin]

You're so awesome.

[Beau]

Which one is the secret voice, by the way?

[Jeremy Bolm]

The deep one.

[Beau]

The deep one is the secret voice.

[Colin]

The abyss.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Just being able to do that.

[Colin]

The one he summons.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. So.

[Beau]

So, like, I didn't know if that was the secret or if the secret was that he's using it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

No, there was a. A rapper, a hip hop artist. Recently I saw on YouTube shorts of my algorithm who. He does the same thing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay.

[Beau]

He speaks in a very high pitched voice.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. He sings in a different.

[Beau]

No, not even his singing voice. And people would ask him what he'd be like because. And he would go into the other voice, his secret voice.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, interesting. I cannot.

[Beau]

I'm sure somebody will comment and let us know who it is. I can't remember who it is, but

[Jeremy Bolm]

I've met two people in my life now. Really? Yeah. It's not my place to say, but one plays in a. In a band within our world a bit. And he was the first person to talk to me about it and I.

[Beau]

Did he clock it or did he know?

[Jeremy Bolm]

He, he, he. The first time we met, he said, you got the big boy voice, don't you?

[Beau]

This is a secret society, dude.

[Jeremy Bolm]

What?

[Beau]

A secret voice society?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And it kind of fucked me up a bit and I do feel some guilt there because I think he was looking for comfort and I kind of was like, I didn't, I didn't know it was a thing. Like to find out that this thing that I just thought was my shit was like a condition is what kind of fucked me up.

[Beau]

Was there any comfort in that?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I don't think so because I guess just to kind of find out that it's like, oh, it's like a medical

[Colin]

condition, but it's like the coolest medical

[Jeremy Bolm]

condition, but it's funny. So playing shows, touring and stuff like that, I can yell all day, but my talking voice can get fucked up from doing that. So, like, I can still go do my job, but it gets harder to like communicate. And then when I'm on the road, it's like, hey, you have two interviews today. I'm just like, great. Because all the comments are gonna be, this guy can't fucking do his shit. And it's just like. And I know you're not supposed to read the comments and stuff like that, but after a while it fucking. It eats at you.

[Colin]

Jeremy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Tell me about your first band ever.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So my first band was called Victim of Atrocity.

[Colin]

Are we all?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Hardest name for A bunch of white kids from Burbank.

[Beau]

It's a really hard name.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Wow. That's an Earth Crisis song.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah, it was. I mean, it was. It was so bad. I. I sang and played a standard tune guitar that I guarantee you was not in tune. And it was like. But we were, like, playing, like, blind and standard.

[Colin]

Oh, cool.

[Beau]

Sick. Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Just awful. We played a. We played a talent show that was. That was, like, the first time ever getting up on stage and doing that. I was wearing an Adidas jumpsuit. My two band members were dressed like Marilyn Manson. So. Which era of Manson? Yeah. Like Antichrist. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Colin]

Rib with the. One with the ribs.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

Now, forgive me for asking.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Sure.

[Beau]

Did you or have you ever sang in the secret Voice?

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's what I'm. I mean, well, that.

[Beau]

In, like, an aggressive way. You know what I mean?

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's literally what two shapes is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, anytime. It's just like, hey.

[Beau]

Oh, I. I'm sorry. I meant like a. Like a low

[Colin]

Barry give.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So, I mean, if someone was to listen to, like, the songs in Touche, where I'm, like. Where I'm actually singing, Singing, you can be like. I've heard plenty of people be like, is that you?

[Beau]

Different voice kind of a thing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay.

[Colin]

Benediction.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Like, something like that.

[Colin]

Who's that guy?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Aha.

[Colin]

It's been him the whole time.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's been me the whole time.

[Colin]

So. Okay. Victim of Atrocity.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay. Victim of Atrocity. Now I know where you want is

[Colin]

your first real bad.

[Beau]

Cut to the chase.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay, So I then. So Victim of Atrocity is where I get my. Like, I play guitar like, this is whatever. And then get to high school, meet a gentleman named Zach, who he and I find straight edge at the same time. Become straight edge together. We decide we should start some. Start a band. So we do. And at first, it's extremely nu metal, where, like, a very new metal band even had a DJ at some point. Wow.

[Colin]

He had a lot of bands with DJs that Zach.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yes, he did. Yes, he did. And so that band was called Stricken.

[Colin]

Here we go, baby.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. So it was originally called Denounce. Okay.

[Colin]

Sick name.

[Beau]

All good names.

[Colin]

I know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And then became Stricken. I think even Shrapnel was in there at some point.

[Colin]

Which, like, dude, hard.

[Beau]

These are all hard names.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, I'm with it.

[Colin]

So Stricken. Yeah, to my knowledge is like the godfathers of the Combining breakdowns and, like, electronic dance parts genre.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Our joke for the longest time is, like, we were the fugazi of the worst shit 100% in life.

[Colin]

You like broken side. Look, you are Ian Mackay to. To Blood on the dance floor.

[Jeremy Bolm]

100%.

[Colin]

Holy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. But also.

[Colin]

And I was in the pit, dude. You saw Shaking my ass.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh.

[Colin]

Kicking my sp. I'll tell you what I mean.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You know, it's funny because if you were to, like, walk into that room now and watch it, it's probably a much smaller situation. But to us at that time, it was like those Cobalt shows got pretty packed.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And it was like a bunch of bands kind of doing beat downy sort of stuff. And then we would go up there

[Beau]

and at the Cobalt Cafe a ton.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We were the house band. Yeah.

[Beau]

This was fascinating. I had no idea. He told me I would, like.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And like. So we would have people swinging on each other and then all of a sudden, all the girls would come in and just start dancing like crazy.

[Colin]

It was crazy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And then they would meet. They would leave. And then. Club dancing. Yes.

[Colin]

They had actual dance.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I understand.

[Beau]

I just didn't know if it was.

[Colin]

And then they would clear out and then the monsters would come back.

[Beau]

Adult swimming.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And like.

[Colin]

And, like, listen, in my mind, it's packed.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah. And mine too.

[Colin]

I imagine the density was lower than we're used to now. And that's why there was plenty of room for all. Whatever kind of dancing they're preferring. But my God. And. And. And like, when Fight. So Zach from the singer of Stricken was one of the singers of Fight Everyone. So when Fight Everyone started, it was like. You got the Stricken guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, it was. So what was fun about that band? And continued to be fun as we then changed our name to Thriller and got a different singer. Zach left to eventually be and Fight Everyone. We got a gentleman named Kevin Michael. We. We, like, made all that dance music ourselves. Like, you know what I'm saying? In the sense of, like, it was all pedals and we didn't have keyboards or anything like that. It was all like.

[Beau]

Was. Was a drum machine.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Program drums. No, the drummer. Yeah. We just literally went practical.

[Colin]

Practical effects.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Practical effects. Yeah.

[Colin]

Movie magic, baby. Burbank. That's how we do it, dude. Stricken.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Colin]

Go back and listen to Stricken. Sounds crazy.

[Beau]

And now let me. Let me ask you, where are you getting as Stricken? Where are you getting that? Like, where's the inspiration for that?

[Jeremy Bolm]

We. The dude who played bass in the band, Brian Grover, he's the one who ended up being in Horse the band. He and I had this vision of being like, yo, let's combine, like, yeah. The metal core of the day. We loved Converged AO fucking Earth Crisis, Any of that sort of stuff. Breakdown. Y stuff. We also loved the Faint. And we were like, if we can just combine the Faint with this, we will be extremely unique in what we're doing.

[Colin]

It's the scientists in the lab not considering whether or not they should.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Right?

[Colin]

They can.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Oppenheimer, you know, sure. The vial spilled and a gremlin was born.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Truthfully. Truthfully, Truthfully. And like, wow. I haven't listened to those songs in definitely 20 plus years. But, like, it's definition parkour. Like, it's just every song is five and a half minutes long. You're like, what are we doing? It's just part to part to part.

[Colin]

So how does this all. Because Thriller's kind of right before Touche Amore, it was like a year difference.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Really.

[Beau]

Yeah, it was like, what time are we talking about?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I think Thriller, because Thriller was my first touring, real touring experience, like playing in bands, you know, like. Like not doing merch kind of a thing. And that was the most important, like, boot camp situation of all time. I mean, it was the classic tale of, like, booking tours through MySpace kind of a thing. We historically did not play a major city where, you know, you talk to someone and they're like, oh, shit, dude, you're coming to. You're coming to Oregon. Where's your show in Portland? You're like, nah, brother. Eugene. Yeah, Eugene. Like, oh, you guys are. Damn. You guys are playing Boise. Nah, man. Twin Falls.

[Beau]

You know, like, sleeping on the floors

[Jeremy Bolm]

of the showgoing shows showing up, show's not happening. Like, just everything that could have gone wrong. But also the classic. All of my best stories are from that.

[Beau]

And truly the salad days, like, the times that you don't think are that great, that are just priceless.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And most importantly, we had no business touring. No. Like, we didn't. We weren't on a label. We just thought we should because of the amount of, like, plays we had on MySpace. That's how that was.

[Colin]

We were huge in Santa Clarita.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. We could crush it at.

[Colin]

Right near Magic Mountain. You guys were one of the biggest fans.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Tour out to maybe Thousand Oaks to, you know, play Kung Fu Corner. Maybe, Maybe, Maybe. But if we tried to play LA proper, like, if we tried to play, like, the Smell, no one's going to that.

[Colin]

I might have seen you at, like, the Knitting Factory or something. But I.

[Jeremy Bolm]

For sure.

[Colin]

Actually, I think I saw Thriller in, like, new Hall. Some real new hall age Totally.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was that venue that was out there for a minute, which was sick. Yeah. Like one of Touche's first shows was there and it was us. Trash Talk. Trapped Under Ice. Trapped Under Ice is great show. Yeah. Internal Affairs.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah, I was there.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. We were first of nine.

[Beau]

Thriller.

[Jeremy Bolm]

No, no, no.

[Beau]

This was Touche.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay.

[Beau]

We moved in.

[Colin]

Let's talk about the beginning of Touche more. How do you meet Nick Clayton? Who else was in the band at the time?

[Jeremy Bolm]

At that time, a gentleman named Tyson, original guitar player. And gentleman named Z. Who played drums originally, Jeremy Zupnik. His name was Jeremy, went by Z. Yeah. And Nick played bass, didn't play guitar. So Clayton was on guitar. Tyson's on guitar. Me, vocals, Xeon, drums. It was a fun situation because so I had left Thriller. It was just very clear that I was. It was time to go kind of a situation. And I'd always. So it kind of fun. We toured with a band called I Am the Ocean. They were from Salt Lake City and the most, like, road dog band of all time. We're like, literally like a week before this tour we were gonna do together was starting. Their singer couldn't go anymore. They're like, we'll still do it. And they just played instrumental. They said, fuck it. Just like that much loving being on the road, kind of guys, to them, they were like, if there are six people there, it's a good show. Like, that was their mentality. Just true heads, right?

[Colin]

Different time, you know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So when they didn't have a singer, they had one song that was like super short and very aggressive. And I was like, can I try singing it? And there's a video of it somewhere. I just felt exhilarated doing it. And I think hearing that voice come out, all of that sort of stuff, which I didn't know would happen, I was just like, I'm just going to yell and see what happens. It gave me just like this sort of Russian excitement. So I just started. I wanted to just sort of chase that. So I left Thriller. And then within four months, I probably put Touche together.

[Colin]

It was very fast.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. So I met our original guitar player, Tyson at a party and we had a funny, like, connection where, like, we both. He and I both had girlfriends, long distance girlfriends that lived in Louisiana at one point.

[Beau]

Oh, wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And they were. They used. They were once best friends. And then once we started dating, they weren't friends anymore. So I would always hear about Tyson and he would always hear about me. But we never met. Right.

[Colin]

And it was like, holy shit, you're the guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And one. And one night I'm at a party and like, a. Like, little small get together, and I'm in a standing circle, and I hear that this guy's name is Tyson. And I just said, are you Tyson White? And he goes, are you Jeremy Bohm? And I said, do you want to go talk about Louisiana on the front?

[Beau]

Holy shit.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And we went out there and just instantly became friends. Just like one of the fastest friendships of my life. And so we'd get around to hanging out all the time. And he would just kind of mess around on his. This acoustic that was laying around his house, and he would play these really, like, dissonant, like, just. Just uncomfortably melodic chords all the time. And I'm like, what is that? And he had never played guitar out of an amp before. Never been in a band, nothing. And I was like, we should start a band. So he used all of my stuff from Thriller. When the band started, I was just at, like. I used to have to set up his amp, like, the whole nine. And Nick's best friend, this man named Dewey. I don't know if you ever knew Dewey, but he played in a band with Dewey called Tiptoe Charlie's, which was a big cobalt band.

[Colin]

So I went right next to the Sheds. All the time.

[Jeremy Bolm]

All the time. Yeah. Yeah. So I hit up Dewey to play bass, and Nick said, there's no way Dewey's going to that.

[Beau]

I'll do it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So Nick grabbed his bass and came to band practice.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So that's how Nick joined. Z was just someone who played Daniel Polyak, who I mentioned is still to this day, like, one of the most incredible drummers of all time. He has a swagger to him, which is just, like, undeniable. Z was basically the baby version of Daniel because he learned everything there is to know about drums from Daniel. So we were like, we can't get Daniel. Let's get Z. Yeah.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So, like, the drumming difference on, like, Dead Horse and the demo, wildly different from Elliot. Elliot brought just, like, insane energy to him. And, like, you could tell, like a kid who listens to, like, Charles Bronson big time and all that sort of stuff.

[Colin]

He's blasting like there's no tomorrow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Absolutely. So, like, Shredder and then Clayton was the last one to join. But what was cool is, like, not everybody knew each other. It was kind of like getting a bunch of almost kind of strangers in a room to be like, let's see

[Colin]

what comes out the real world.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. What's that?

[Colin]

It's like the real world.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I don't really know anybody else in the band. Except for Clayton.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Who is unbelievable.

[Jeremy Bolm]

He's great.

[Colin]

I can't believe Clayton.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Pardon this interruption. Before we get back to this long awaited episode with my good friend Jeremy Bohm, we gotta talk to you about two real quick things that made this episode possible.

[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

Mm.

[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

Maybe we were talking about it right before we started.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Sh.

[Beau]

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[Colin]

It sounds made up.

[Beau]

Yes, it sounds like one of those.

[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Colin]

What?

[Beau]

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[Colin]

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[Beau]

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[Jeremy Bolm]

We can't wait.

[Colin]

My birthday's the next day, so get a pass and then bring me something back to the episode. Okay, so tell me about putting this demo together.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay.

[Colin]

The TA record is just called now, right?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Just like listed as like self titled or something like that. Sure, yeah. So I mean, for the longest time and honestly still to this day, our goals as a band kind of are the same. Which is put out as many cool things on vinyl as possible, play as many cool shows as possible. That was the only things we cared about.

[Colin]

I love it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Nick, having a huge art background, was so instrumental and continues to be instrumental. He was going to CalArts at the time, ended up graduating. He's had an insanely amazing career and it just gets crazier and crazier every day.

[Colin]

Well, do you think the Sunbather art was like the turning point for him? I think that was when I was like, yeah, it's one of them wild.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But like at that point he'd already done covers for like Britney Spears. Yeah. And Pink and Katy Perry and you know, it's like. So he was already. But he was working under a company at that point. He hadn't gone full independent, but I think within our world. But I mean, like that Sunbather cover ended up like getting like on the Apple iPhone thing.

[Colin]

Like it was on the front door, it was on the window of the store.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. So like he also going to CalArts at the time, had all this cool stuff at his disposal, like screen printing rooms and all sorts of stuff. So he and I just kind of clicked pretty quickly about that stuff. So like the Touche demo originally came in like a DVD case that is all silkscreen, like full booklet, like the whole like this whole insane thing. And like I said, like, vinyl was always the goal. I knew Chris Hansen, who ran Chris or ran Dateline NBC. Dateline NBC. I just like, there's no way to say that name without that joke coming directly after.

[Colin]

Especially if you pause.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colin]

You made me do it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I made you do it. He ran no Sleep Records. Oh, yeah. And he was working. I knew him because he worked at Revelation. He, like, worked in a warehouse at Rev. And I knew he started this label. It was super new at the time. And I kind of was like, yeah, I bet that guy will pay for it kind of a deal, so. And he was always nice enough. So I hit up Chris and was like, hey, man, I got this band. Would you maybe put this out? And he was like, yeah, I'm down. And at that same time, he had just put out the first Lot of Speed CD and also, like, the Wonder Years. Like a CD for the Wonder Years or something like that. So he was starting to, like, get stuff that would eventually make his label much bigger and everything else. But he only ended up doing a couple seven inches with us. Like, splits and stuff like that. Like, we did a lot of Speed split. Yeah. I think that might actually be it with him. Oh, and a casket lottery split. But, I mean, once that happened, it was just kind of. We were off and running with wanting to put out.

[Colin]

Yeah, man. It seems like you kind of figured out who you were right away. Like, honestly, it was on the demo.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And, like, you're still playing that, right? Yeah, you have to.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You have to.

[Colin]

It's a good song.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I don't. Thankfully, we don't hate the song.

[Colin]

No, it's great. Like, I fortunate, you know, and it's like, it doesn't not fit with what you're doing today.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And that's hard to say for all the bands.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's so funny. It's like, we. There's got. When Harm's Way. Were you original. Harm's Way original member. Right when you guys started. Are there things in the early catalog that you're like, oh, that's so. Clearly we were directly ripping this thing off. Yeah.

[Beau]

We played four of them last night.

[Colin]

They did.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It was awesome.

[Beau]

Yeah. Of course. Because you don't even expect people to

[Jeremy Bolm]

hear it ever hear it, let alone

[Beau]

know where you're getting it from.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We. There are things I can like in some of those early songs that I go, yeah, that's that. Yeah, that's that. It's like. Like, we. A show that we played last the other year was we got to play with page 99, which is, like, one of the biggest influences, our band to our band or whatever. But in Honest Sleep, the whole last part is the biggest page 99 song. And they. And I was. And, like, I just yelled out. I was like, we took this from page 99. You know what I'm saying? It's like. It's like so clearly us trying to do a part like that. I mean, the opening to. To honestly, also is Converge. Bam, bam, bam. Take a little Dan Dance.

[Beau]

Oh, wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You feel me? Yeah. Yeah. It's like we didn't know what we were doing. We were just kind of playing stuff that we liked, but we weren't. You know, you hear it later and you're like, oh, shit, that's cool, dude.

[Colin]

We must wear what we love on our sleeves.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Absolutely.

[Colin]

Because then when people discover that, they go back and they find things and it leads to.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Jake's been able to make a bunch of money.

[Beau]

Exactly.

[Colin]

In many ways.

[Jeremy Bolm]

In many ways.

[Colin]

To the beat of a Dead Horse.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Debut lp.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Fully realized version of the band. I mean, you, you, you. The last record you've done, there's. There's some changes.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You've experimented, you've grown, but, like, you're.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Touche.

[Colin]

Amare here. First LP.

[Beau]

What year is this?

[Jeremy Bolm]

2009.

[Colin]

9. This is when I learned all these songs and the first record because we talked about me being in the band.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yes. Pretty cool. Yeah. I don't remember what happened with that.

[Colin]

You. I think you found Elliot. Oh, I think it was so. I remember it was right before sounding Fury 2009.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I was. I had. I was about to graduate high school. I was 17. And it was like. You were like, just learn. Here's our demo. Here's our new thing you sent to me early.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Learn this and, like, hit and let us know if you want to do it. And I think Elliot was just, like, right then and, like, he's so the guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You know, There's a great video of us playing Cali Uber Alice where you sing. The Jeff Rickley part's awesome. Do we have a clip? We do have a clip. Here it is.

[Beau]

I can't believe that was you. That part rules. So skinny, so little.

[Colin]

I know. I was so very skinny, dude, that

[Jeremy Bolm]

I think it's still on the Internet.

[Colin]

It is, for sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So I don't know how much we would have maybe talked about it, but the van had broken up. Oh, that's not. It's like, we've talked about it a little bit here and there. I think maybe when we were doing the anniversary Dead Horse stuff, maybe we talked a little bit more about it, but Z wanted to quit. Z quit. And if you look at even the liner notes on Dead Horse, it's the four of us, and then it says drums on this album. By German. Because he was like, I don't want to be in this anymore.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Whoa. I'm out.

[Colin]

I checked on Discogs today and there's no credit for drums.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So we were like, fuck. In our mindset, we were just like, well, he's such an important part of this band. We can't be a band without him. And then we were like, well, we wrote all these songs. We like, let's at least just go record them. So we have. That was the mindset. We didn't have a record deal, nothing. So we were like, let's just go record them. And then this, I think, is who I am at my core. Where I was like, well, I should probably. I mean, if I have the ability to get some cool people to sing on this too.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So I asked Jeff Rickley from Thursday, who's like, you know, an older brother to me in so many ways.

[Colin]

And the part rules.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And. And then also Jeff Eaton from Modern Life is War had just moved to California. I'd seen him at shows, didn't know him, kind of befriended him, and then just sent him a message like, would you sing on my dumb band's thing? And he was like, sure. And he showed up and his first time raising his voice since the last Modern Life Is War show was like, in that room. And just being able to witness that and be like, this is fucking sick.

[Colin]

Shame the band's breaking up, but thanks for doing it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But it was Jeff Eaton who said, wait, so you guys are breaking up? And we're like, why? And he's like. And we told him and he goes, get another droner. It was like, as if we never considered it. We're like, maybe we. Yeah, truthfully. So we had a couple fill ins and at like. Like, we had two different people played short west coast tours. But then. Yeah. And so what happened, which I'm sure when we talked was I was at a barbecue at 6131 who ended up putting out the first record. Also just fun. Small world situation. So the singer of Taken, Ray Harkins, who does 100 words or less, podcasts, his roommate Joey Cahill, who runs 613M Records. He and I get extremely close and he's the one who. I was like, hey, I guess we're gonna stay together. Would you put this out? And he was like, yeah. Wow.

[Colin]

So he's incredible.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Nicest guy, great guy.

[Colin]

So wanna hear it records?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Wanna hear it Records?

[Colin]

Wanna hear records?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Downtown Massachusetts.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

Great store. Never been. Would love the Instagram.

[Beau]

Great Instagram. Yeah, that's right.

[Colin]

Check it out.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So at a barbecue at 6131, our drummer, who's supposed to be filling in for, where we get an offer to go on tour opening for Thursday. Oh, first of four great. 150 bucks a night.

[Beau]

Let's go 2000.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Nine. Ten. That's some good money. That's some good money. Yeah.

[Colin]

That was union standard.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Straight.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Has that been talked about on this show?

[Beau]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

How no money existed until, like, six

[Jeremy Bolm]

years ago and no one also complained.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Our first real tour was one of four free Acacia stream. We got 150 bucks a night for five weeks. It's absolutely right.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And we were. And we were happy.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah. And then when you break 100 in merch, it's like, we did, dude.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

That was the true milestone.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. 120 cracked it. I have a rant I'm gonna go on in a second about shirt prices.

[Beau]

Absolutely. I would love to talk about that.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So we. So we get this offer to open for Thursday, and then we have. We book an entire us tour. Because we're only on Seattle, I believe. Seattle. Or like, Portland down to Houston. Sure. And then we're like, let's just do the whole rest of the US. I book it on the Bridge 9 board.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Wow. So I literally put up the dates that. Who can help me out? And got the whole thing booked on the B9 board. Wow. So we're like, fuck. Our drummer can't do it. All of a sudden, he got in trouble. We're like, we can't.

[Beau]

Fuck.

[Jeremy Bolm]

He can't do this tour. I'm at a barbecue. Sam Bossen is there. One of the greats, probably front of the show. One of the greats. Front of the show.

[Colin]

Friend to all.

[Beau]

Really?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Friend of all. He was in Trash talk at the time. He also filled in for us last year, which was amazing to have happen. So I was like, do you know anybody who plays drums? And he goes. Calls Elliot. He and Elliot friends from the Aquabass message board days.

[Beau]

Whoa.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And Elliot drops out of college, learns our songs on the drive down, comes to practice, plays them eight times faster. We say, this is the fucking guy.

[Colin]

This is the guy.

[Beau]

Mac just went, fuck you.

[Colin]

And my God, dude, is he the guy?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Can you tell me The Elliot Terminator 2 lore?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Is this where we reveal the Nepo baby aspect of his? If you want.

[Colin]

Yeah. Obviously, he's gained nothing from that in music whatsoever.

[Jeremy Bolm]

No.

[Colin]

He's not better at drumming because of Terminate because of James Cameron.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You know, Elliot has the coolest parents because Elliot's dad, Paul Babin Sr. Elliot's real name is Paul, but he just goes by Elliot.

[Colin]

I don't know him. I'm learning at all.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I didn't even know Paul Babin Sr. Voted People magazine sexiest cameraman.

[Colin]

Is that true?

[Beau]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Colin]

Very nice.

[Jeremy Bolm]

He. He was a camera operator on Terminator 2. And Elliot had, was. Was pretty new to the world at that point.

[Colin]

Brand new, baby.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And there's like the scene where they, where they're shooting on the, the overpass in the, in the. What do you call it? And they literally had the helicopter filming go under it. And Elliot's dad was like, I gotta do porn. I literally can't do this. And James Cameron said, I'll do it. Grabbed the camera and did it. Legend.

[Colin]

And like, it's legendary in movies that James Cameron shot that himself. And he did it because of Elliot.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Isn't that sick? Whoa.

[Beau]

Who is the pilot?

[Colin]

James Cameron. He's like this.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But if you look at his dad's IMDb, he's got so many bangers. Wow. Like, so many bangers. And he's worked with. So it's funny, there's a few, like, worked with some of the most masterful directors. But on that movie. Yeah, like he did Francis Ford Coppola on Jack.

[Colin]

Ah, you know, Jack's pretty good.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Which Elliot is in. Hey, you see, and there's like a scene in a doctor's office and, and he got to be an extra. He's just like. It's like in a pediatrician's office or something like that.

[Beau]

But what are your thoughts on T shirt prices?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, okay, T shirt prices, follow me here. Yeah, the, the arc of a hardcore band can be measured in the prices of their T shirts. When you start, eight or ten bucks. Now, hold on. Yeah, I'm saying, I'm just saying, when you start as a band. Okay, eight or ten bucks, Right. They're probably rolled masking tape.

[Beau]

Oh, I see, I see, I see.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, roll.

[Beau]

They're printed on the worst blanks.

[Jeremy Bolm]

The worst blank.

[Beau]

Single sided, single color. Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Black shirt.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Stack them.

[Jeremy Bolm]

The thickest white. The thickest white ink of your life. Oh, yeah, right. But still. Yeah. You're new.

[Colin]

You need them.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You use what you're doing. You need them. Right. Eventually you're like, I think we got to do 12, guys. I think we got to do 12. So you start selling for 12 bucks, right? And then you're, you're at the counter, and you're like. Or you're dealing with it, and you're like, man, ones.

[Beau]

Singles.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Singles. It sucks. And it's like before anyone would tip you anyway. So, yeah, those tips are going away. You know, you're just dealing with that. And then eventually you're like. You're about three years in, four years in, and you're like, I think we can do 15. Come on, we're doing multiple colors now. Let's do 15.

[Beau]

Yeah, let's do.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Should we do 15? Let's do 15. And then you're doing 15, and you're, like, feeling maybe a little guilty about it. That punk guilt is starting to be like $15T shirts, right? And then you start going on tour, and you have to all of a sudden, price match or gas? You're like, fuck, are we doing $20 t shirts, guys?

[Colin]

We really are.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Guess we're doing $20 t shirts, and eventually here we are now 30, something like that, Right?

[Colin]

Here's the thing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Here's the phenomenon.

[Colin]

Tell me, tell me, tell me.

[Jeremy Bolm]

The consumer, the people who want to support you have never batted an eye

[Colin]

since the beginning, and that is a miracle. But you know who has made my eyes bat is printers. The print cost of printing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, sure.

[Colin]

Is astronomically higher. You could charge $10 for a shirt because it was two, three, four dollars to make.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But still, even when shirts were $7, we were definitely still selling them for 10. Yeah. And it's.

[Colin]

And that's like.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Like, it's that. It's the punk rock guilt of being like, I know what this costs, and we can't charge that much kind of a thing. But you. So many of us have discounted. People just really want to support you.

[Colin]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You know, they're happy to pay it. They're happy to pay it.

[Colin]

And then.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But you.

[Colin]

But like, now the.

[Jeremy Bolm]

The.

[Colin]

A shirt selling for $30 now.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Is probably the equivalent to a 2009

[Beau]

shirt being $10 or legitimately like 12 to 15.

[Colin]

Yeah. They were five to print, and we sold them for 10.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Absolutely. Hellfish, baby.

[Colin]

Oh, Lord, my God. Well, now to a hat that Hellfish made.

[Beau]

The other thing is, back then, the blank we. No one cared about.

[Jeremy Bolm]

No, no. None of us thought twice.

[Colin]

All style came, came and.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And.

[Colin]

And changed.

[Beau]

Gildan, Gilden, heavy gilded cotton.

[Colin]

I would have taken it all Bella

[Beau]

canvas, you know, like, nobody gave a. About. Was it Tolex? That one, too?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I tried to like that for a second.

[Beau]

No one gave. But we didn't give a.

[Jeremy Bolm]

No she's like, oh, this.

[Beau]

This one's weird.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

And now the. The comfort colors are the most expensive. Blending the game.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And everybody won't buy it unless it's on it.

[Beau]

So we kind of created a monster.

[Colin]

We didn't. Yes.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's all our fault. Sorry for the divergence.

[Beau]

No, no, no, no.

[Colin]

The people need to hear. But. And like. And. And it is fair, but the co. And I don't blame printers because this stuff costs money and they have a lot of employees.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Labor cost, everything costs. It's a bit of a. Shipping costs, everything.

[Beau]

You can't buy, you know, you can't order one thing of black ink. You got to get them in bulk. There's all kinds of shit.

[Colin]

And you get what you pay for. You know, you want a printer to go above and beyond, you gotta rock it up a little. So on to the beat of a dead horse. There's a lyric that I wonder if, you know. Well, let's just get to it. And I'm sure you're. I'll go to Morrissey to answer my questions because Ian Curtis has left me hanging.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

I would say Morrissey's left you hanging out as well.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

As a guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So starting around 20. Oh, I don't know. I don't want someone to check a YouTube video. Don't worry about me. I inevitably was like, I'm changing these lyrics. And we re recorded the record. I changed the lyrics on.

[Colin]

Who'd you change it to?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I'll go to EL Cohen to answer questions because. And then I said, kazee and Curtis has died. Because I was like. I was like, it's kind of a shitty thing to say about. Kind of like.

[Beau]

I see.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Like, when you're in 2008, I'm like, oh, I'm fucking clever. Look how clever I am.

[Beau]

It is clever.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's. Sure. But I was like, I think as you get older, you deal with a lot of friends and you lose your friends. You're just like, it's not. Probably something to make a joke about.

[Colin]

Yeah, sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I've softened.

[Colin]

And look, you know, Morrissey, maybe politically, personally, all the leads. Spiritually, like, the worst guy ever.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Couple tracks.

[Colin]

No less than a thousand bangers.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, my God. Yeah. 100%.

[Colin]

It is just. It's a deep shame how many bangers he had.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I just don't know that I need him to answer.

[Colin]

No, you don't. The questions have been answered, and they're bad. And we're not interested.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And that. I don't know how many people realize that song title is a Smith's reference.

[Beau]

What's the title?

[Jeremy Bolm]

And now it's happening in mine.

[Colin]

You're awesome. Morrissey. Not so much. Tell me about the decision to document ever a Touche Maury show. You're the only person I know who's done that.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So when I talk about my relationship with Steinhardt is that we. One of the things we very much bond on is wanting to archive everything. So we even put out like an art book a couple years back where it has every shirt we've ever printed in there.

[Beau]

Oh, that's so cool.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. So we always kept a list of every single show we've ever played. And yeah, I still update it on the website to this day.

[Beau]

Call that Foresight Lore Sight.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And also been updating and working on. Now we even have like a discography page on our website which has. Has shows all the variants, all the breakdowns, like the matrix numbers, the barcodes, the. The. It's. It's real dork stuff.

[Colin]

But yeah, that's real guy who works the counter at amoeba type thing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I mean there's so many. What we lack in like, in like lots of demo recordings and like that sort of stuff. We. I feel like we make up for in like the amount of physical art stuff where it's like we have all of these things, like still like laying around.

[Colin]

Yeah, I would rather have that. Tell me about re recording the whole record in 2022. What was that? What was the decision there?

[Jeremy Bolm]

It was so it's. It's so funny where we were like, oh, so I don't know if you. Do you ever work with Alex Estrada?

[Colin]

No.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay. We recorded that record with our very dear friend Alex Estrada. I consider him a six member of Touche in the sense of every album we do, we record with him first. We go to him record an entire album and then do all the pre pro and then go record it elsewhere. He's so benef. He's. He's done so much to help me in so many ways. But we went to him and we were like, yo, we kind of want to remix and remaster that record. Do you think that's possible? And he goes, I deleted that shit like six months later. Like, you're kidding me. Like, I don't have that. I don't have. Like, he was. He was. He was the guy to make your demo or album for $200.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. You know, so like he was just recording crust punk band after Beat Down Band after Mariachi band, like, you name it. You go to Alex, he'll get you in and out within, you know, for an album in two days. Kind of a guy. So he's like. He didn't think we were going to stick together, so he ended up having to get rid of that stuff. So we were like, well, we can't remix and remaster it. We got two new members that are playing. Have been playing those songs for the last X amount of years. Like, let's just go do it again.

[Colin]

Do it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And I can fix all my grammar, which I did.

[Colin]

And now Ian Curtis is just dead instead of hanging.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yep. Leonard Cohen, baby.

[Colin]

Rp. Man, you want it darker Banger rp. When do you feel a shift for Touche Mori in terms of just like audience growth?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Definitely Parting the sea, like 100%. That record, it was. It was, you know, lightning. And we felt like it was like a lightning in a bottle sort of situation where we play Silent Fury 2009 and we could not have felt less welcome, really. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was. This was a funny thing because I remember. I remember getting some clarity on this where it was like. Like the state. We played the small stage.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And there was no real runtime. It was just like runtime kind of a deal. We went up there, we were super rushed. And the person who was running the stage, I think we. We played like a quarter of our set or whatever. He's like, you guys are done. Like. Like wrap it up. Like, just kicked us off. Super. Even though as soon as we started, all of a sudden all the.

[Colin]

Yeah, it was nuts.

[Jeremy Bolm]

All the. I think all of the, you know, maybe outlier kids, outsider kids came up

[Colin]

and I was so bummed I wasn't playing. I was like, damn, this guy took my spot.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But he was so good. Damn. But that wasn't Elliot even. That was one of the fill ins, really. That was a guy named Alex Onyate

[Beau]

who played in 2009 too. Cross mixing with heavier stuff and hardcore and less. More adjacent stuff.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Wasn't really happening, but very weird on that. Yeah.

[Colin]

It was like black breath and coa on that stage. After you. After us was, I think Retaliate played.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That could have been.

[Colin]

It was unbelievable.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I think whoever it was maybe started the set by saying whatever the fuck. That was kind of one of those situations which. Respectfully, I get it. Sure. But it's funny getting kind of like, all right, guys, rap. Whatever. It was. Andy Rice. And Andy Rice ended up telling me later, he's like, yeah, that was me. Like, yeah, we just wanted to kick you guys off. I was just like, thanks, brother. But we still felt that we had a sick show.

[Colin]

That was great.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I was like, whoa. Like, really? Just like a. Wow, this is different. And we go to the merch table, up walks to me. Trey McCarthy says, hey, how do. He instantly. Very ball busty. Because Dead Horse was put out by 6131. 90%, 10% put out by Collect Records, which is Jeff Rickley's label thing. So he was affiliated. His role was mostly, like, just kind of helping our name get out there. So I instantly also learned how ball busty trey McCarthy is because he comes up to me and he goes, how do I get your records in my web store without dealing with famous people? Wow. Or it's like something to that effect. And I was like, it's through 6131 kind of a thing. And he's like, you guys are good. And then within. Yeah, we. We had a moment where we were trying to decide whether we were going to do Death Wish Bridge 9 or Equal Vision. And we went with Death Wish, but we had a band.

[Colin]

I have in my notes here, were you a Trey band or a Jake band? And you just answered it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Trey Band.

[Colin]

Jake Band.

[Beau]

Jake Band.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Parting the sea Between Brightness and me. Let's talk about it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

What were the big inspirations for this record musically and personally?

[Jeremy Bolm]

So Nick has now moved to guitar. So we're bringing in Nick influence. And it's important to say that Nick is not a hardcore kid. Nick likes afi. He likes the Nerve Agents Respect. He likes Converge, might be. It sounds like a little bit of hardcore kid. I could get him in there, but he's like. He loves pop music. He loves. You know, like, he's. He's so. Oh. And he. But importantly, he also likes Boycet's Fire. So a lot of the melodic guitar playing from him is AFI and Boycet's Fire.

[Beau]

That makes total sense, actually.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So that's. That's where he's pulling from which. Which that starts to change things, change sort of the sound altogether.

[Colin]

He's pulling from the two bands similar that he likes.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

It's a boss baby meme.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. So. And then we. So something that I think kind of also explains kind of who we are. Where it was like, okay, you guys signed a Death Wish. Surely Kurt's gonna do your record. Surely Jake's gonna do your art. And we said, nick's gonna do our art, and we're gonna go to Kansas and record this with the guy who did the Get Up Kids records.

[Beau]

Oh, wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And the Coalesce records and the Casket Lottery records. Like, we want to have that sort of, like, melodic Kansas sound, and we'll do that. So we. Yeah, we did the record in, like, three days or something. I think it was three days. Yeah.

[Colin]

And what comes to mind when I bring this record up to you emotionally, that was.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That record, to me was your classic, like, struggles of being away from home.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Like, that's what that album is like. Each record has, like, a. Especially in retrospect. I could look at certain records. Like Dead Horse. To me was me saying, look at all these worries, concerns, stresses, depressions that I have, but I'm not doing anything about it. I'm just complaining about it. So I'm beating a dead horse. Part of the sea was. Yeah. Being away from home, it's hard enough to be away from my family. I don't feel good enough. Like, I don't feel like I could put a loved one, like a. Like a. A girlfriend or something like that, through some. Through something like that. So, like, all of those sort of stresses and. And the depression that can come from that, all that sort of thing. So, yeah, I look at that record as like a, you know, learning to exist on the road while also loving being on the road.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Like, I don't. I'm. To this day, I've. I don't get. I don't have a hard time touring. Like, I could be on. You could put me on tour for a year, and I won't complain. But what I had a hard time with was what it was doing to the people.

[Beau]

Sure.

[Colin]

That's the hardest part.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. So it wasn't like, man, I wish I was home. It was, man, I hate that. That's how I'm making people feel.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

And this is also the first record you're, like, intentionally writing to be an album. To be an album.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Like, okay, the band's not breaking up and we're signed to Death Wish, and we have money to do this at a crazy place wherever we want and do whatever we want.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And it turns into this. This, like, new chapter for your band.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Are you a lyrics first guy? Like, are you writing poetry and fitting it into music? The music informs the lyrics.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Always. Yeah, yeah. And there was, like, one song in that record that I was, like, still writing in the, like, Apartment above, just being like. It's the song Condolences, which. Yeah, that makes sense to me that. That's the one that it was. But, yeah, tracking that entire record and tracking all the vocals one song into the next, I can hear my headache.

[Colin]

Isn't that the worst I can.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Like, when I. When I have had to listen to that record back, I'm like, oh. Like, I hear how much pain I'm in.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

So does that process change now? Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Like, once. Once. All of a sudden, it became like, oh, I don't have to do this. Like, we could split this up and divide it up or whatever. With the following record, there was a funny situation where I recorded the entire album, and I did it in a way that was. Ended up being the wrong way, where we recorded it with a gentleman named Brad Wood. This is a Survive by Brad Wood. Absolute legend. One of the best in the. In the world. Coolest guy. Did amazing. Has done so many amazing records. Yeah. Sunny Day Records. Far Me without you. So much stuff. Liz Fair, Farouka Salt, Smashing Pumpkins. Yeah. It's insane. He's. He's the best. But so we're getting to know each other. And he's like. He's like, yo, is there anything about your, you know, doing vocals that you would ever want to try? And I was like, I feel like I just want to. When I hear it. When I hear a studio recording and then I hear myself on tour or something like that, it feels like it's totally different things. And he's like, what do you think it is? I'm like, just handheld. So I like, oh. So I record the entire record with an SM58 and another mic strapped to the top. And it's through, like, this crazy. No, no, no. It was through this. This weird head that he. I think if I'm. He'll probably. He might watch this and be like, you got the. It was, like, through an amp that was used in his family's, like, funeral home. And that immediately to me was like, cool.

[Beau]

Yeah, we're doing that.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's like, that's so my shit. Let's go. Wow. So then we record the record, mix the record, get the. We get the. You know, I send it to Trey, and I'm listening to it going. I don't know if there's clarity in my vocals. Like, I'm someone. You can, like, usually make out every word I'm saying. I don't know that I can feel that. So I'm starting to get nervous, but no one's talking about it. I send it to Trey and I'm like, trey, I'm kind of concerned about the vocals. And his response was, oh, so we can talk about your vocals. So I had to go back and re Record. Rerecord the entire record in probably, like, two days. Okay. But I'm so happy that I did okay. Yeah.

[Colin]

So part of the C is survived by how much does touring change for Touche this time?

[Jeremy Bolm]

It becomes non stop. Non stop. Like those you could see. Like, when you look at the archive, like, every year we're playing 200 shows. Probably 200 plus shows. Maybe we just. We were the band that refused to have a day off. If there was a day off on the tour, we would post on Twitter saying, whose house can we play tonight? We would show up and play a house. Like, we just did not know how to not play a show. It was like, it was simultaneously the most exciting thing. And also, that's gas in the tank. 100%, of course. So that was always kind of the drive, you know, didn't want to be home. Just wanted to keep going.

[Colin]

And it's like. And I know for me that the only reason I'm taking breaks is because my voice is up. Yeah, you're talking about how you feel when your voice is up. So respect.

[Jeremy Bolm]

In our defense, too, our sets were, like, 30 minutes long. Well, 25 minutes long. You know what I'm saying?

[Colin]

So a big one for some people.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

First. First Touche European tour.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Walk me through it. What's your first experience like?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, my God, it was brutal. It was. Yeah. Just winter, you know?

[Beau]

Was it that one or was. Were you there before?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, it was that one. It was. That horse was so cold.

[Beau]

That was a tour where I could probably speak. It was probably the same to you because we were there at the exact same time where every show in, like, Germany, Central. More central, northern Europe, the promoter would be like, oh, yeah, it's snowing, so wouldn't expect a lot of people to come. Meanwhile, this is a place that boasts about having, like, robust public transit.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

There's a way to get everywhere. And sure enough, it would snow and just nobody. It was a rough day.

[Colin]

Or there's a soccer game on.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Not in the winter.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And it was also.

[Colin]

I've only been during the summer.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It was also like, we were supposed to do it with a known band, and then all of a sudden, it became like, oh, no, you're gonna go with this band from Germany who's also gonna drive you. Lovely guys. Great, great, great guys and everything. All respect to them. But it was one of those things where it's Just like everything kept changing very last minute. So yeah, it was. It was tough. It was a tough one. Yeah.

[Colin]

Do you remember any distinct German compliments you got?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Funny enough, I think I was so ready for it to happen. But also no one gave a shit about us yet, so, like there wasn't much to critique just. Just yet.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I do have my all time favorite Please, please situation which was we got to open for Rise against in fucking stadiums. Like arenas, right? Not stadiums, arenas. And that was like one of those situations where like we're. We have to do this. Of course. Right. So we're first of three in an arena, you know. And we played. It was in Prague and we were opening with a song called Gravity, Metaphorically, which ended up on the split 7 inch with pianos become the Teeth. But it was before we had recorded it or like it hadn't come out yet. But at that point it was our longest song. I think it had broke two minutes.

[Colin]

Congrats.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You know, like one of those. It might have almost hit three. Maybe it hit three. Marathon. Yeah. But it starts with like a. Like a. Like it starts with like a floor tom punk beat. And we were like, like Rise against punk song. No one in this arena knows who we are anyway. Yeah. Let's just start with the new song. Right? So we're starting that. The show, you know, whatever. So I'm. I walk to the merch table. That was. So it's like we're playing stadiums of like 12, 000 people and we're selling like a hundred euros in merch, you know? Oh my God. And then. And then we're going to play in 100 cap venue and selling like 1200 crushes. Yeah. It's funny how that works out. But we. I'm at the merch table. This guy comes up and he just. He does one of these. He goes like the looking at everything. He goes, you played a new song tonight? And I said, yeah, yeah, we did. Yeah. And he goes, it was long. And I said, yeah, it's in fact our longest song that I think we've written at this point. And then he just keeps looking. He goes, wasn't good. Walked away wasn't good. So not only did he know.

[Colin]

Not only does he extensively know your catalog, he's a fan of the band. And that was the one interaction with the singer of a band he likes, he'll ever have.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And Alex just like to hope that he. Maybe he bought that ticket for like, you know, a lot.

[Beau]

Yeah, right.

[Jeremy Bolm]

The first of three. And just was so disappointed by that new song that he had to come

[Colin]

tell me about it.

[Beau]

Wasn't good.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Wasn't food. Just wasn't good and just walked away.

[Colin]

Brutal.

[Beau]

Dude.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Didn't buy something. Thanks.

[Colin]

Any is survive by songs that you're particularly proud of. I know Harbor's like a set. Is that a set staple? Because it's a banger.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We. We from that record. We don't play a lot of that record. That's. That's for us. That's the one for us where we. We all have we. It was a symptom of sort of the. This sophomore slump thing. Even though it was our third record, theoretically, but like it felt like really the. The follow up record. Right. And I think I fucked up by not being vocally ready. Like I was still writing almost the entire thing in the studio out by the patio, stressing out every day, not feeling good about what I was doing. And then the guys in my band talk about it by saying that they were nervous themselves, so they were overplaying. So it's like I think all of us were just a bit in our head. So I am always so appreciative when I'll meet someone who says, oh, that's my record, or something like that. You know, like when you hear though, when you hear people like fight or debate about that stuff and I'm just like, that's awesome. I'm so happy to hear that. Because for us we're just like, that's the one.

[Colin]

You made it through totally okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And you know, I'm not saying this as like some sort of bragging, right? But it was our true amazement where it was our first time that like Pitchfork covered us and Pitchfork gave it like an 8. And we were just like, what this one? Like, we were like, we're about to lose all of our fans. At least that's how I felt. And so all of a sudden it did okay, like critically. And that was our first time really getting any sort of critical response like that. And then, yeah, just over time set. You know, we make more records and then it's slowly but surely we're playing less and less off of it. Yeah. Yeah. But to answer your question, the. The last song on the record, the title track, song is survived by. I think I would. If I had to put together like what I think are the five best Touche songs, it would be in the top five.

[Beau]

There you go.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

All right, here we go. Touche Mari Stage four.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

This beautiful expression of grief.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

For your late mother and you know, that's. That's one thing that every human being will experience at some point.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Totally.

[Colin]

And yet you're putting the most personal thing you've probably ever experienced in your life into this sonic presentation for everyone to hear.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And it becomes your biggest record and the thing that people connect with more than anything. How does that feel to. I mean, that exists for your mom.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Who, as we've talked about before, is, like, such an important person in your life, such an important part of your story.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Let's talk about this record.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Sure. Yeah. It's interesting because we're about to start doing a lot of, you know, lead up for. We're playing the album in full this year in multiple places all around the world. And we're talking about, like, what to do to kind of promote it and things like that. And one of the things one of the band members asked was like, you know, we'll maybe do a thing where we talk about each song, like, you know, anecdotes and things like that. And I was like, I genuinely don't remember. I don't remember anything. I just remember just the. Just writing, like, I just remember the words coming and being very confident in the music that was. Was being brought to me, being very, like. Yep.

[Beau]

Like.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And just knowing there was, like, a comfort in these words that I was writing, being, like, how well they fit to what I was given, you know, and that feeling, very comforting. That was also the record where, like, we learned so much from Survive by, because we also went back to Brad Wood for this, where it was like, let's all. Let's not record a song unless all five of us are 100% sure on every single one of these decisions. Like, no one's compromising. Everybody loves every song.

[Colin]

Better is better.

[Beau]

Better is better is better.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And that's how we've continued to run things. Yeah. It was one, I'm sure, a friend of the room. I've told this story once or twice, but, like, Pat Kinlan, I remember playing the record for him before it came out, and his response was. So you're just trying to, like, alienate just your entire audience with this one, which is a very Patrick Kinlan sort of way to do it. And he was just. He was just like, you're at an age where you start losing your parents. He's like, your fans are younger. Like, I don't know. Like, I hope this for you. Like, I hope this. But he sensed, like, you went pretty hard on this one big time kind of a thing. And that's a criticism that I've accepted and I've heard since the day the record came out of, like, can't listen to it. And I say, totally get it. There are records that I can't listen to. I reference some of them in the song New Halloween. Like, I Can't Live Without My Mother's Love from sunkillmoon or what Sarah said from Death Cat for Cutie or Sufjan Stevens Carrion Lowell. Two Mount Erie records are so heavy and so, so upsetting because they deal with grief head on. I've talked to Pat Flynn about this. You know, Fiddlehead has written some. Some pretty heavy and devastating records himself.

[Colin]

But are these things that you can't listen to now but used as medicinally at the time, or.

[Beau]

It was just like.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I was just like. I was like, I know what that is.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And. And like, I. The songs that I referenced, like, were songs that I liked at the time. But then. Or you know that. Or just. But instantly, it's all sudden. Lyrics mean different things to you and all that sort of stuff. But what I found, which was the coolest thing to come of it at the time, was a lot of people who wrote off our band, older heads

[Beau]

who were like, you mentioned this were

[Jeremy Bolm]

like, yo, I never listen to your band. Band name's Stupid, you know, or like, Like, I never checked you guys out. I thought you guys were like, fucking some lame shit or something like that, which I'd say for sure. All of a sudden we're like, yo, that record hit me in a way. Or like, someone recommended me that record after I lost my so and so and I get it now kind of a thing. And it was interesting over the years, all of a sudden people who I never ever would have, you know, thought I'd get. Get a. Some sort of nice sentiment from. Reach out to me or talk to me or something like that in some capacity about that. Which was never the goal for me. It was just like, look, I didn't go to grief therapy. I should still go to grief therapy. It's just something I didn't do. And I just poured everything into that because it was there that was. Some people say, like, how hard was that record to write? It was the easiest record to write because there was an endless supply of things to reference. It's like, I could talk about being with her in the hospital. I can talk about what it was like, you know, dealing with, like, having to clear out the house. I can talk. You know, there was endless things to be like, I can Reference this or this one conversation I had, there was this. There was that there's only one song in the record. And this, you know, there's a friend of a friend of Los Angeles, but, like, there's a song in the record called Posing Holy, which is half about my mom and then also half about Tim Butcher, because he was someone in the la. In the LA community, and a lot of people knew him that had passed around that same time of recording the record. But, yeah, I mean, it was my first time really writing about just loss and grief in that regard in general. And I just really, really put it out there in a way. I had a few people be like, are you sure you want to do this? Like, are you sure you're gonna be able to do this every night? Are you. You know, that kind of a thing?

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Which I didn't consider for me. I was just like, I just have to do this.

[Colin]

And how is it. Is it still just ultimate catharsis and the songs mean what they mean or

[Jeremy Bolm]

are they just, you know, the. You know, that comes up. You know, when the tour got announced, the amount of people were like, I can't believe Jeremy has to sing the. This entire record in full in all of these different cities.

[Beau]

And all of that being forced.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And it's like, you know, we all know, like, when you're up there, it's autopilot and that's self preservation. Because I think if most people went up there and were singing about what they wrote the song about night after night, we wouldn't have a lot of us up there, you know?

[Beau]

Like, it's interesting, too, despite Pat's sage, like, forecasting, you know, I like. And it's like a life raft or a lighthouse, because there are people who are lost in the notion that need to connect with something like that and who need that and, you know, people who go through things at. Yes, we all expect to go through what you went through, not necessarily at the age that they go through. So it doesn't matter. Age is kind of irrelevant. I understand the point he was trying to make.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Obviously, of course,

[Beau]

it's the amount of people. When I became aware of that record and what it means to some people and people close to me, I had a very new appreciation for it as well. Because how often do we really look into what the lyrics mean in this kind of music or what the message is necessarily like? Truly, is it a true story as an.

[Colin]

As a full album?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It almost never means one thing, you know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

So it was. It's heavy and. But. But. So I think the value that has been put onto it, it is immeasurable.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I have a lot of what the. I didn't expect with the album because, like I said, all I. I was just. I just needed to get this stuff out. You know, I was anxious as hell about PR for it. Like, having to do interviews about it all the time. Like, I was. It was my first time being guarded, being like, I. All due respect to, you know, handsome [e-mail], but I can't have these conversations. And I had. I mean, I had circumstances where I would. I remember we were playing a festival in Europe, and if this person happens to be watching this, I don't fault you. But I got pulled in. You know, it was pouring rain at a festival, and it was like, hey, you have to do this interview. So I'm like, okay, go in, you know, close the van door. Just. Just, you know, classic doing an interview in a van kind of situation. And the guy just starts bawling at me about the record and doesn't really even like it. Just kind of seemed like he just needed to talk to me. And that was the part of the. Of that album that I did not expect and still don't have a good handle on of like, hey, man, person, anyone. I'm also going through this. Like, I don't have answers. But at the same time, I always. I never fault somebody. I 1000% understand what it means to, like, want to go up and tell somebody, like, what their record means to them, because I've been that person same so many times. Daryl from Glass Jaw, Jeff from Thursday. Like, all these people when I was a kid where I was just like, yo, this, that, and the other thing.

[Colin]

We're all where we are because we feel that

[Jeremy Bolm]

we've had albums change our lives and if. And the beauty of hardcore is that the. The beauty is that the ceiling's very low. If you try just hard enough, you can play with your favorite band and it's not even trying that hard.

[Colin]

And if you're not a dick at all, if you're not a dick for long enough, you're gonna be their friend in some way.

[Jeremy Bolm]

100%. Yeah. Yeah. So I understand the amount of times that people want to come, but, like, respectfully, like, I can't. I've never been able to look at my DMs. It's just. It's rough in there and. And I. I 1000% feel guilt because I don't engage. But at the same time, it's just too much for me sometimes.

[Colin]

For sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's.

[Beau]

It's, you know, it's your grief.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Like the guys in my band have commented. And sometimes I'll get a, you know, like a pat, like a back rub or something like that backstage unexpectedly. Because, like. Like, they'll be out in the crowd after the show and people will be talking to them about, yo. Guitar tone, yo.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Cool.

[Beau]

Fun stuff.

[Jeremy Bolm]

What'd you see today in Berlin? You know, like, where'd you go? What museums you check out? Blah, blah, blah. And the second I walk out, that same person who's like, ah. Turns to me and just, hey. So that record, like, I lost my such and such. And I get it. I 1000% get it. But to get it as often as I had and kind of continue to. Yeah, I don't fault anyone and I get it and I respect it, but sometimes it's hard. It wipes me out. Yeah, it can wipe me out.

[Beau]

Definite silver lining, though.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You.

[Beau]

You connected.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

You know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And a lot of people needed it. Greatest gift in the world.

[Beau]

Yeah. Yeah. Truly.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Also the title, Stage four, and it being your fourth record, it's like you and Bolt Thrower have ever so good. Great job, dude.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We. We actually had a conference. Both you did. You and Carl. Yeah, we talked. Yeah. You joined. Yeah.

[Beau]

Right, Sounds good.

[Colin]

Did you ever find the courage to listen to the last message that you talked about in the record?

[Jeremy Bolm]

So if you get to the very end of the record, it's. It plays. It's the voicemail at the end of the record. Yeah. Which. Which I'm so happy is there. Because in the age of losing phones and losing that, I was like, that. That's. That. Because it was a conversation. It was like. I was like, is this too much? Like, is this too much to put on there?

[Beau]

Yeah, of course.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And the band members, of course, were like, are you sure that's a good idea? That's an extremely personal thing because it's a very nonsensical message. It's just about picking up a prescription or something like that. Right. But a part of me was like, it'll live on. It'll be like if I ever need to just hear her voice, which as time goes on, I mean, she's been gone for 12 years this year. So, like, you know, as time goes on, you start to forget how they sound or their inflections and things like that. So, like, I'm very happy that I have a recorded record, literally on a record of that. You know what's the point of what

[Colin]

we do if not to immortalize things like that?

[Beau]

It's also just such a perfect epilogue to this whole story you just told. You know, it really.

[Colin]

10 years of stage four live at the Hollywood Palladium with Glass Jaw and Seisha Baby. It's crazy that you turned that into, like, a nice occasion.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. And it's so funny and Incendiary's on it. And like, they're a band that since the get, we've always tried to play shows with.

[Colin]

And they're not in the SEO, by the way. I didn't leave them out on purpose.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

That ain't on me.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Grush is on the show as well.

[Colin]

Another great band, but Grush is fucking insane.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Really good band. Yeah. So it was one of these things where it was like, fuck it. Can we. What about this one? Like, it's a weekender. Cause they're like weekend warriors, you know. They are the weekend warriors and they've always been sweet. Being like, it's not. You just keep asking. Just keep asking.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And we wanted to have like, kind of. I think that lineup in particular feels like a cool representation of what our band is because there's all the melody of Glass Jaw and everything here. Huge influence on me Young and all of that. Sasha is. It's a huge reason why we're even a band.

[Colin]

Ozfest 96. We just wanted to rip them 2004. Ozfest 96.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just there's so many things that it's just. It's kind of a cool mix of so many different sounds that. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.

[Colin]

Can't wait. May 14th, something like that. May something. 10th.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Mid May.

[Colin]

Is that the biggest headlining show.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Of seashores.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah. Scary. Yeah, it's scary.

[Colin]

You're going hard. You got it looking. You better come strong or not come at all. Right. That's the great prophet James is mean once said, you gotta have a riot, though. Yeah. That right. At the Palladium.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Just. Just. Yeah.

[Colin]

You ain't. If you had a ride at the Palladium, everybody knows. So if you're watching this and you're going to playding, you have to ride.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Hard Lore is not liable for anything.

[Colin]

Yeah, exactly. The first ever podcast.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

When does that start? You're the first one. Congrats. That's amazing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Congratulations. Isn't that crazy?

[Beau]

Thank you for trolling, by the way.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're both very welcome. Which you know what? I'm gonna take this opportunity to say, I've said this to you both personally. You guys do a great job, I think. Thank you. Like, I remember texting you after going to the live thing where you interviewed the director of Green Room.

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And because so much of the beginning of the show, there's a lot of fun. You guys, you guys are doing a lot of goofy things. Whatever. Yeah. And, and, but also still doing interviews, which was. Which you can. You guys were feeling out what the show was going to be, which is what the first year of a show should be. Right. You guys still have fun and everyone loves it.

[Colin]

Every day.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I. I love it. Everyone loves it. But watching you guys interview him, I was like. Because this is someone that they don't know personally.

[Beau]

Yeah, those are, those are almost easier.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Because we did the same thing with Davey. No, no, no. With Jackass Guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

What's his name?

[Colin]

Oh, Lance Bangs.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

With. With Anthony. But you know, that was also just very easy. It was like, like, hey, we know some of the stuff you've done. Let's just talk about that.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

As I'm sure you. You experience with doing the pot.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, for sure. But just before we get into. I just want to say, you guys, it's really been awesome to watch.

[Colin]

Thanks, man.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And you guys, it's. It brings so many people joy every week, you know, and that's all we want. And you can actually sense that you guys like each other too.

[Colin]

Oh, that's my.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's my.

[Beau]

Got you right there.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Which is. Which is also nice, you know, like, it doesn't feel like you guys are in tune.

[Beau]

No.

[Colin]

There's no mouth, malice.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

95 of the time.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Well, there needs to be something.

[Colin]

If a mic goes out. If a mic goes out, it's never been my fault.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah. So keep up.

[Colin]

So there's nothing but the first ever podcast.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

When did that start?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay, it started in. It started in 2020. I was of the echelon.

[Colin]

What happened?

[Jeremy Bolm]

A 40 year old white guy. As you said, I should start a podcast. Podcast. But we had finished recording our record Lament, and it was at the point where I was like, man, I just miss seeing my friends and.

[Beau]

Oh yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And you know, not unique in this thought at all. But like the, you know, the best, the best conversations are the ones you have with, with people that you've shared the road with or, or, you know, or people that you admire that, you know certain things about that you're like, oh, you know, all of that sort of Stuff the same thing that, you know, with you guys, what started the show. So, like. And I've always just been, you know, I've always just been fascinated by the. What led people to where they are type stuff. But, like, it's fun to having kind of like a questionnaire setup.

[Colin]

When I. When you sent us the questionnaire, we were like, this guy's genius.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Because. But, I mean, I had. You could literally, you could not pay me to listen to my first hundred episodes. Like, wow. Just in the sense of, like, I was clunky.

[Beau]

First hundred ever.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It was like, you know, I was probably super nervous. Like, the show went through different, you know, different companies, editors, all sorts of stuff to where I am now, you know, so, like, a lot of growing pains. But I didn't start sending the questions until probably, like, maybe even 100 episodes in. Whoa. Because maybe. Maybe. Listen, I don't know, but, like, think you would ask a question, then you would, you know, understandably get someone kind of stumped on how to answer.

[Beau]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And I'm like, you know what? If I could just circumvent that and just make someone feel more comfortable.

[Colin]

They're ready.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Also, seeing those questions, you just kind of makes you go, oh, it shows light. Light. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to be asked something, you know, out of pocket.

[Beau]

Absolutely.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Like, it'll be easy.

[Beau]

Where did first ever come from?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I think I just. I think just I was like, if I'm asking first questions, it's like, it just seems like a fun, like, first.

[Beau]

It was your first ever show.

[Colin]

Yeah, because it's also fun. Ironic thing of, like, there's a billion podcasts, but not 100%.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Just, like, the nerve of this guy to say, like, this is the first ever podcast.

[Colin]

So what are you. Let's do the gimmick. What are some of your first evers? What was your first spin kick?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, my God.

[Beau]

Was your hair straightened?

[Colin]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's right there.

[Colin]

First you were like, this is pretty hard because.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Because there. Because you have to have the moment because you're, you know, what a show is now. And like, what and what is?

[Colin]

And your heart is pounding.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, what is at stake?

[Colin]

Yeah. And where were you?

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's looking foolish and getting hurt. 100.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Probably the whiskey a go Go.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Wow. Probably one of these unproductions deals.

[Colin]

Oh, God. M Productions.

[Beau]

If you're watching yourself, harbor is not responsible for anyone.

[Colin]

Anyway,

[Jeremy Bolm]

it honestly, it might have been the hate verge. Oh.

[Beau]

Oh.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You were there? Yeah. No, Stricken opened.

[Beau]

That is one of my favorite documented things.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Ever sold 150 tickets?

[Colin]

No. You did not.

[Beau]

Thank you.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's terrible.

[Colin]

You kept M Productions in business for years with those 150 tickets.

[Beau]

Yeah, but we got this video on.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Do you know 150? How many times we've talked about this math? Okay. There was three locals before First Blood and Curl up and Die, who I think were the openers on that. Like the actual fans have played the show. Three openers. Three local openers. We had to sell 150 BAM before us. Had to sell 100 BAM before that. Had to sell 50. Who's left to actually buy tickets to see Converge?

[Beau]

What's the cap there?

[Jeremy Bolm]

500.

[Colin]

500? Yeah. That's like, basically every ticket we were.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I worked at the record store at the time, so I just said I got converged tickets. I didn't say, come see my band. I said I got tickets to see Converge to Whiskey, and I sold them within a week.

[Beau]

Yeah, genius.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So for us, it was no stress.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

150 tickets.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Didn't meet them, but our base, but Brian Grover had it. Was playing a flying V base, and Nate Newton walked in the room and goes, flying V. That was our only interaction.

[Beau]

That's so Nate.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. That's so awesome.

[Beau]

For those of you who don't know, there's a video out there, look it up right now. It's Hate Verge. It's Jasta with Converge playing Hate Breed songs. And within the first 10 seconds, Bannon dives. And Isaac is singing backup vocals on Before December.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's crazy.

[Beau]

It's one of the greatest things.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yes.

[Beau]

Ever.

[Colin]

Off the cuff, right?

[Jeremy Bolm]

It was so violent. It was. It was like the most violent show. But Converge opened with Downpour, which I hadn't seen them play before. And it. Cause unloved and weeded out, I think had just come out, like, the re. The LP version or whatever. And I was just, like, so fired up from getting to play that show that I was just like,

[Beau]

what a.

[Colin]

That's a historic answer, dude.

[Beau]

You want to know something cool about that?

[Colin]

Killed that.

[Beau]

Before we move on, Joss is singing when Ben starts counting, so he misses the. What makes you think. So it's

[Jeremy Bolm]

makes you think.

[Beau]

He's talking, so he's like, let's it up. Whiskey makes you think everything. He's so good.

[Colin]

His sense is so good.

[Beau]

He's so good that he doesn't miss a beat.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's one of my.

[Beau]

And he's wearing the, like, first ever 100 demon shirt. Oh, with the brass knuckles.

[Colin]

No, that's not the first one.

[Beau]

One of the first ever.

[Colin]

First one has this weird tiki thing on it. I haven't. I got it for Nate for his birthday. First ever personal artistic achievement where you felt like you'd accomplished something opposite of the spin kick.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So my. So the. When I felt like something was like,

[Colin]

you're like, I fucking killed that. And I'm proud.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Opposite of the spinning.

[Colin]

Whereas mine would be the spin cake.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Right.

[Colin]

Mine would be like. I think being good at the spin cake.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Art is the opposite 100%. There's no art.

[Colin]

100%.

[Beau]

Oh, my God.

[Jeremy Bolm]

If I was. Is the first song on Parting the Sea. Tilde. Tilde. However you want to say. Yeah, the. The. Yeah.

[Beau]

Right under the escape.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So here's some squiggle. Yeah, Squiggle. Some background for people. Why it's called that. A couple reasons. So you know when you're. When you're writing a song and they all have fake names for the longest time, like, oh, fast song. Song sounds like this song.

[Beau]

There's a sepulture on every Harmsworth.

[Jeremy Bolm]

The opening note is just a guitar pinging out notes. So it'll just be like, you know, play the song right and then the opening lyric is, I'm parting the sea between brightness and me. Tilde, tilde, Tilde is Latin for title it all.

[Beau]

That's pretty good. Water.

[Colin]

See, you should. Brightness.

[Beau]

You should rate this stuff down. This is pretty good.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Wow. But that song, still to this day when we play it, I'm just like, this is. This is who we are. Like this song, it's like a minute 10, but it does all of the things that our band continues to do. It has all of the parts. It feels so good still to this day to sing. It's got a big sing along part at the end that, like, still to this day feels so fucking good. No matter what room we're in where I'm just like. I think that felt like. It also felt like we weren't trying to mimic anybody. Yeah.

[Colin]

You had arrived.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We'd arrived at figuring out kind of who we were. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect lament.

[Colin]

You mentioned previously that this record should feel like relief compared to the rest of your discography. Is that the goal when writing it?

[Jeremy Bolm]

This record for me was moving on from stage four. Right where I was like, this song is. Or this record is about, like, my life post that record. What that record, you know, got off of me sort of thing. But then also like, the stresses and anxieties that came from it, as described earlier. Like, so it was me sort of battling with all of that, but there was, like, the catharsis that I had reached with it. I found some, like, actual, like, happiness, you know, for the first time. And that's what some of the songs. Like Reminders is one of those songs. It's like. It's definitely our most upbeat song, too. You know, I started to have those moments.

[Colin]

That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's good shit.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And got to do it with Ross Robinson.

[Colin]

Yeah. What the hell?

[Jeremy Bolm]

And the last one, too. I mean, for me, that was like such a. Just like a full. Like, as described. Like, finding Corn.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And then, like, and.

[Colin]

And it's just such an unexpected thing, I'm sure, for any Touche fan to hear from you, you know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, dude. Corn for Corn. Like, it. Being a fan. Oh, my God.

[Colin]

Well, like, to this day, you're like, we got to work with the corn guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So I. I was right neck and neck with him for so many records, because, granted, there's things that certainly he did that I was maybe not as into, but like, Korn, Sepultura, Slipknot, Glass Jaw at the Drive In, Blood Brothers, the Cure. Like, I'm right there being like, I like that now, too, or I like that. You know, whatever. So he had influence through, like, multiple parts of my life. So when I got to know him a bit and have some real heavy conversations or real conversations with him about even just, like, what he meant to music and means to music and all that, I had the realization that what drew me to Corn was the vulnerability.

[Beau]

Oh, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And that, I think, informed everything in my life going forward.

[Colin]

Corn.

[Beau]

That makes total sense. I mean, it's very Jonathan Davis Cathar

[Jeremy Bolm]

crying on many of those tracks.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And that's, I think, what it was, you know, and then finding the vulnerability in hardcore was, like, instantaneous because it was, like, big time. It's, like, respectfully to a lot of metal, and I'm not here to speak on the entire genre. Not as much vulnerability.

[Beau]

No, absolutely not.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So I think I just felt that pretty quickly, and then. So getting the opportunity to work with Ross was the scariest. That then became the scariest moment in my life where it was like. Because I knew all the lore about him, and he has decades of lore, and a lot of it is terrifying. And our manager at the time was managing at the Drive in when they did that record with him. So he came to me and was like, because we were trying to figure out who we were going to do the next record with. Our band works in twos. We do two records on Death Wish, two records on Epitaph, so on. Yeah, two records with Bradwood, two records with Ross. Like, we just historically like to do things in twos. You do the thing. It's. You learn and then you work out the quirks and you perfect it.

[Colin]

Yeah, yeah, do the next thing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So we were trying to figure out who to do the record with, and manager at the time was like, like, I have a suggestion. And I fucking knew what he was gonna say. And he was like, I don't know how you, what you think about this. And he was like, what do you think about Ross Robinson? I was like, I was so terrified you were gonna say that, but I was like, I don't think that there's someone who will understand our band more than that guy.

[Colin]

And how did that work out? Did that end up being the case?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I would right now. If someone walked in and was like, I am gonna shoot Ross Robinson unless I shoot you first. I would take the bullet. It. I've learned so much from that man. And he is the biggest. No, when you. You could work a 12 hour day with that guy and he has not. He didn't look at his phone once he is on. On it. If you have a question about something, like, you're. You're like, maybe a little unsure about something, he will not only listen to you thoroughly, but present you with five roads to take. Like, he is operating on such a high level of caring that you're just like, I'm in such good hands right now. But, I mean, we did a tryout with him because we were very nervous and it did not go well. He and I butted heads very, very, very hard. And I know we're going along. Is this annoying if I tell the whole story?

[Colin]

No, I won't.

[Beau]

This is the lore. This is it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We do, brother. So we go in, you know, and. And I know bands that have worked with him. Like, I've, I've. I love to talk about people's experiences working with this guy. Because they're. They're all crazy, right? And I've had certain bands be like, oh, yeah, like you, for instance. You have to. If you're the singer, you got to read those lyrics out loud in a room with everybody, go line by line, explain what every single line is about. He will like. So to track drums, Everybody's playing everybody. I'm singing every take to get the drums Bob Rock, dude. And. But before we track, it's, let's get in this room. What are these lyrics about? Right? And I kind of knew. I had heard this was a thing, so I was, like, prepared for that. But you're going line by line, and he'll. You know, he'll be like, okay, stop. And then he'll look at another band member and be like, what does that mean to you? Because he wants to bring everybody to be on the exact same page so everybody knows what's at stake.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Which is we come from hardcore, right?

[Beau]

Borderline.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And we're also in bands where we've. Don't. We just. We're like. That's your department.

[Beau]

Yeah, of course.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Like, I don't. Like, I trust you, whatever you're doing. Yeah. You know, it doesn't. I don't think twice about it. And that's how our band had always been. You know, I have all the faith in these guys. They have all the faith in me. And that's just how it's always been. So to have them all of a sudden now being like, okay, we're gonna talk all of this stuff out, you know.

[Beau]

Did you do the same thing with guitar riffs? You know what I mean?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, sure. I mean, with. When it came to that stuff, it was more so like, are you playing to play perfect or are you in it? Kind of a thing.

[Beau]

But he wouldn't look at you and be like, how do you feel about G Major?

[Jeremy Bolm]

No, no, no, no. He wouldn't be. He wouldn't do that stuff. But, like, he would. There. I mean, there were times where he would be mixing the record and just all of a sudden call one of our band members in the middle of the night and be like, you got to come retract this. Wow.

[Beau]

Whoa.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. He was just like. He's just like, you're just not. And then if any of us heard it, we'd be like, sounds the same.

[Colin]

Sounds the same.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But like, he's hearing. So even when I'm tracking those scratch vocals, they're all over the record. Those are like. He uses.

[Beau]

Just takes. Whatever he has when he's doing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

He's calm. Like he has everything, you know, whatever. So, anyway, we get in the room. I know what to expect, and I say, hey, listen, I know we just met today, but just to give you some background, our entire last album is about my mom passing. This album is not that. This is me moving on from that, what I've learned, et cetera. I explained the whole thing. He goes Cool. I'm like, so that's not what this is. So we record the song or we whatever, do everything, and comes time to do vocals. And I'd been warned. Stands in the vocal booth with you the whole time.

[Beau]

Oh, my God.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And goes line by line and wants to talk everything out, that whole thing. Right. So I'm, like, kind of mentally prepared for that. Right. So you get in the room, and first thing out of his mouth is, so, where's your mom right now?

[Colin]

Oh.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And I said, nope. And he was. And that's kind of where it started. Yeah. We probably stood in that booth for two hours kind of arguing. Yeah. You've known me a long time.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I am not a confrontational person in any capacity. I have a really hard time with confrontation. So, like, I was. It was really hard for me to be like, you know, and he was pulling. We just met that day. Yeah. So, like, he's pulling out all the tricks. He's being like, do you want to talk shit to me? Cuss me out? Say anything you want. It doesn't matter to me. Like, I just want you to, you know, like. Like, say what? And I, like, put my hand on his shoulder, and I'm like, ross, I respect you. I respect what you're trying to do. But for me to force myself to be into that headspace is insincere to what this song is, because that is actually the incorrect mindset. You're pulling from the lowest hanging fruit to make me upset. So I. Then all of a sudden, he's like, all right, let's do a track. So I do a track, I start recording, and he makes me do the entire song. So as I'm in the middle of it, he just grabs me by my waist and starts swinging me around. He's losing his mind. He's all excited, and he's just like. And I'm like, this gets fucking insane. Like, what the. You know? So we get through the song. I leave the studio, you know, event a week later, we get a mix, and it's. It's incredible. You know, I'm just like, fuck, one of those things. Right? So our manager even called me the next day. He's like, how do you feel? Because he was there. Oh, okay. Because there's an engineer who's having to listen the entire time to our conversation, waiting for Ross to say, roll tape.

[Beau]

Oh, my God.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So he's in there. Our base player's in there, Manager's in there. Everyone's in there just, like, listening to this happen.

[Beau]

Brutal.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And Blaze was like, how do you. Or manager's like, how do you Blaze, manage you? He did at the time. He was like, how did you think that went? And I was like, you were there. Like, what do you think? And he's like, I don't know if he's had anyone talk to him like an adult before. Like, in that regard, you know, like, to really rationalize.

[Colin]

Like, here's why you're wrong.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Here's why I can't. Yeah. I don't want to do this. So fast forward a little while. We are still writing the record, right? But we haven't fully committed to what we're doing yet. And. And we play in San Diego. Justin Pearson of the Locust and a million other amazing bands comes to the show to say hi. He plays in the band Dead Cross, which records with Ross Robinson. And he's like, yo, I'm in the studio with Ross right now. He fucking loves you. And I say, oh, what? And he goes, why are you surprised by that? And I'm like, and I told him the story. And he goes, are you kidding me? That is the most Roth shit of all time. Like, you showed him how much you cared about what you were doing and, like, how much emphasis you were putting on, like, all of the aspects of what your band is about. Like, that's. That he love. He's come to the studio, he was

[Colin]

dying for somebody to fight back.

[Jeremy Bolm]

He was like, come to the studio this week and just say hi. So I stopped by. He greeted me super warmly. Went back. So we were like, let's fucking do it. Let's do the album with it. So we went in the studio. Never stood in the vocal booth with me again.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Beau]

Just believed it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Just believed in it. And we would still talk about the songs.

[Beau]

Yeah, sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Totally. We would get into all of that. But we would. We would talk in the mixing room and just have a conversation. And in the middle of it, he would just be like, you good? I'm good. Let's go get up there. Wow. So it was. It was surreal. And just for me also, personally, there was a really awesome moment where he was pulling out this microphone. Microphone. This vocal mic. He hangs it up, and I'm looking at it. I'm like, damn, that thing is a tank. That thing is crazy looking. I'm like, how long have you had this thing? He's like, every one of my records has been recorded with that microphone. And I'm like, that's crazy. What's the backstory? Where'd it come From. He goes, originally belonged. It was originally owned by Nick Cave. I'm like, no way, that's crazy. And he goes, yeah, it was. I mean, tons of records have been recorded on that. I mean, Leonard Cohen recorded the Future on that microphone. He doesn't know me at all when he says that. All my band members just like, turn around, look at me. And I'm like. I'm like, how did you get it? He goes, it was owned by Indigo Ranch, where I used to record out of the studio. Closed. I got the Cure record. At the time, the label said, what do you need to record that Cure record? He said, I need you to buy me that microphone. So that's how he owns it. Yeah. Wow. It's fucking insane. He had to. I think he had to buy a multi thousand dollar microphone to break, to get pieces out of it, to repair that microphone, which is insane. Yeah.

[Colin]

And you did it. That's the. Probably the microphone that Blind was recorded on.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It is.

[Colin]

You did it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. It's like, it's again. Barlow. Here we are.

[Beau]

Did you hit any Raptor?

[Colin]

Obviously once I got.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Once I got comfortable with him, I heard there was times where I just like brought up, like, I said, thought of something, you know, that I've always wanted to ask about to be like, tell me about, you know, recording this one specific thing, you know, like, what was it like recording Iggy Pop's part on the. At the Drive in record? You know, and he was just like. Came in here one day, they both had handheld mics and just like ran around the room singing together. Or recording Ray Capo with Glass Draw. Same sort of a deal. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Wow.

[Colin]

Fuck yeah, dude. And then you had to release that record in 2020 after all that?

[Jeremy Bolm]

After all of that?

[Colin]

That's awesome.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Did you, either of you put out a record in 2020?

[Colin]

I waited.

[Beau]

They waited. We wrote. So we did like opposite paths. Got to the same spot, though.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It was one of those things where we had the option to hold it. But we looked at the open playing field and we said, you know what? A lot of people are not getting new music right now. Maybe this will do. Because our record was also supposed to come out the week before or after Every Time I Die. And they. They held their record for almost two years. So. So we're like, okay, now we don't have. Every Time I Die is competition. We don't have. Yeah, sure, you know, like, let's do it. And then it, you know, sales wise, all of that did better than any of Our records, like it's to this day still like that was our best selling record, but because of. Because everybody was at home and needed that dopamine burst of fucking buying something bucks, you know? Yeah.

[Colin]

Oh my God.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Interesting, man.

[Beau]

Very interesting.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Beau]

Although I guess it wasn't Biden at the time, but.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Do you think. Well, I guess you kind of answered my question. It's just like, is that there were. There was stuff that came out over those two years, let's say of. Of everything being shut down and tourists not really happening. Like, do you think that was a net loss for those bands?

[Colin]

I think in touring maybe.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But overall my heart broke for the bands that were just starting to get steam in 2020. You know, we. We know there was a few of them and then there was, you know, then some bands had huge success because of a band like Gulch. You know what I'm saying?

[Colin]

The whole Bay Area just exploded completely.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I remember. What was your guys first show back?

[Colin]

We did so we had a God's hate record release like pop Up. It wasn't a show. It was like come by the record and we're just here.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And that was the first like thing that happened here that I remember. And it was cool. It was at midnight hour.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay.

[Colin]

When it was in a tiny store. It was like masks required. And we put a little like Hanya mask on the flyer.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Which was cool show. I don't know.

[Beau]

We did a 10 year of isolation.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay.

[Beau]

In early, like early 2021, did either

[Jeremy Bolm]

of you have concerns on whether you would still like doing this?

[Colin]

No.

[Beau]

No, my God, no.

[Colin]

It was like I did really.

[Beau]

Oh, really? Coming from the guy who doesn't. Who could be on tour for a year, I think.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I think there was just so much pressure and stress and anxiety put onto like what the future of touring could even be be. And already seeing the writing on the walls of the state of what the industry was going to now, what was going to become and has become. I think all of those things were. I saw it and I was like, it's about to get real rough out there.

[Beau]

Insofar as. What do you mean?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay, we saw a lot of venues close. Yeah. Horrible. And we're seeing venues continue to close. We just lost Chain reaction. Bottom of the Hill is closing. Like, it's heartbreaking to see happen. Right. But I do also remember thinking a lot of these venues are getting a lot of public support, which is amazing. But I also know what that means. That means there are now going to be a lot More fees that are going to take more away from already bands that are making nothing, you know, And I get why they're there. But for instance, I think our first tour back, one of the venues had, like, all of a sudden $1,000 cleaning fee. There was no soap in the bathroom.

[Colin]

Oh, my God.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So you're like, what am I paying for? Like, so things like that, you know, I'm not saying it's everything. I'm not, you know, I'm thankful any venues exist. But it was the start of being like, oh, like, less. It's going to be even harder to make ends meet. Wow.

[Colin]

Like, because in and out stopped doing refills.

[Beau]

So. So literally, I was just going to say because Chipotle stopped doing refills. I was like, well, that's.

[Colin]

That's America's toast.

[Beau]

Well, it's over.

[Colin]

It's over. What's the difference between us and Germany?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Beau]

Ice, I guess.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Not that kind of ice, though, like frozen water, but also ice. Yeah, Yeah. I didn't. I didn't. I was. I was dying.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

To get back on the road. I was dying to see my friends.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

So one of the earliest things I got to do was sound of theory. 2020.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah. Two, two. That's true.

[Beau]

You know what I mean? That was like, because of our little show. Because of our little show and furnace fest. So, like, doing. Getting to do hardware stuff. Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And that was.

[Colin]

And, oh, the gnarly one. The huge first one back with, like, Knock Loose and stuff.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Had to have been the first one.

[Colin]

2021.

[Beau]

That would have been 2021 then.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Maybe it was 2020. Maybe we played 2022, 2022 thrice.

[Beau]

Played in the big stage. Mastodon played.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I remember our stage. I was just like, this is so my shit right now. Because it was like Jeremy Enoch from Sunny Day played before us and Mineral played after us.

[Colin]

Was it the lake one or did you play the shed?

[Jeremy Bolm]

We didn't play, like, the big inside room. We played off to the side.

[Beau]

The Lake one one, then.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Or Drug Church played the lake one, probably.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But I just remember, like, going up and being kind of anxious, being like, I hope this, like, also my voice being like, does my voice still do this live? Like, it's been off for this long, you know? And as soon as we went into it, I was like, I love this shit.

[Colin]

Riding a bike.

[Beau]

It is. It is like riding a bike. It's who we are. It's. It's. I will say, though, the grass Is. Is often greener. And there are. One of the nice things. Nice things about being shut in was that I had no fomo. And FOMO is one of my biggest sources of anxiety.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Not possible to miss out when there's nothing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

When there's nothing going on.

[Beau]

Nothing going on.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I miss that sense of. Hey. Which is. I realized something over this winter. We had a crazy blizzard a couple

[Jeremy Bolm]

weeks ago in Chicago.

[Beau]

Everyone's locked in.

[Colin]

You loved it.

[Beau]

Everyone's shut down. And it gave me a little. Like, I can just stay in and play a video game and cook.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

I'm not missing anything.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, there's.

[Beau]

So that I did. I do miss a sense of that, but obviously I much prefer being able to do.

[Jeremy Bolm]

What was the episode you guys did where. I think it was a seasonal episode and you chose, like, God Flesh. And you were like. Because of.

[Colin]

Oh, the summer album.

[Jeremy Bolm]

The summer albums. And you chose Godfrey and you were like, summer sucks.

[Beau]

Yeah. The industrial urban hellscape that is a humid city.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Those fucking coastal elites being like, oh, man, the Beach Boys.

[Colin]

Yeah. Come on, man. That sounds. Versus street cleaning. The sounds of summer on horrible.

[Beau]

Christ bait rising comes on and I'm like, pretty hot.

[Colin]

Pretty hot song.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Spiral in a straight line.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Possibly your biggest sonic departure yet. Big. I think it's a leap.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay.

[Beau]

Non derogatory.

[Colin]

No, no.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah.

[Colin]

Like, you're singing melodically way more than ever. Is that a Ross?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I think as time has gone on, I'll go into records now being like, I'm not singing on this record. I'm not, like, I'm over it. I'm not doing it. And then as soon as we write a song, I'm just yelling in melody. You know what I'm saying? Where it's like, that's mostly what I'm doing. But there's a few moments. Yes. Like, there's. There's a song that has, like, Lou Barlow, which is insane, insane on it. That whole story is the coolest, coolest story in the world.

[Colin]

Why don't you tell me? Lou barlow from dinosaur Jr. Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Lou barlow, dinosaur Jr. Subado. Full complosion. So, yeah, it's a song called Subversion and I was writing it. We were on tour in Australia at the time, and I had to finish, like three more songs and I was going crazy. Not. I really, really take a long time with lyrics. I always have, but I really, really take a long time. I'll write. I'll write four. I'll write the song four times and throw it away and just be like, no, starting over. Don't like it today. So I was having a really hard time with that. And I'm not afraid of flying by any means. Have to do it enough. But if I'm conscious of this, I will do it. Where if, like, when we're landing, I'll be like, I'm gonna throw on one of my favorite songs in the world just in case. In case this goes sideways, I'm listening to my favorite song. So one of my favorite songs in the world is a sepido song called Brand New Love. And it's incredible. It was introduced to me through a really funny way by the COVID first by the nu metal adjacent band Deadzy. They randomly covered Brand New Love.

[Colin]

He's an interesting guy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know what else is interesting? That I think the singer of Underdog does backup vocals. No way did she.

[Colin]

Why?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I got to interview the singer of Dead Z on the show, Elijah Blue, Cher Son. And when I realized that, I was like, were you into hardcore kind of a thing? And he was. And he, like, talked about how he had a stint where he got in. I think he got into, like, Hare Krishna and was friends with John Joseph and. And all those guys in New York. But, like, post, I think.

[Colin]

So did he. Did he ask Richie to do it, or was it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, I think it was just like, yo, you should do this. I know. It's insane. It's like he's like, deep in there. He's like. It's like. I just. When I saw that credit, I was like, what the fuck?

[Beau]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. So anyway, that's how I found Brand New Love.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And it's always been the song that I've been obsessed with. And then later in life, I realize it's a cover. Tons of people have covered it. So I'm on the flight, listening to it, and I was at a point in my life where I had gone through a breakup, and I'm listening to the song and loving the song. And, like, the song is about sort of finding new love unexpectedly and the beauty that can come from that. And so also sort of maybe the drama that can come from that. And that's how I've always interpreted the song. At least I'm not speaking for Lou Barlow. But I found myself really, like, wonder why I chose that song in this moment kind of end at the right. And so now I'm walking around the streets listening to subversion, being like, what the fuck do I do over the whole end of this Song like, I'm having such a hard time. And it clicks where I'm like, you can weirdly sing the chorus of Brand New Love over this outro. They sound nothing alike. Like, nothing alike. But it weirdly fits. So I bring it to my band and I say, guys, I don't know shit about music. Is this the wrong key? Is this the wrong whatever? Like, I had this idea, what do you guys think? And I was almost kind of, like, anxious to ask him. I'm like, how dumb am I going to look right now? Does this even work? And Clayton and Nick listen to it and they go, that works completely. That absolutely is the same key. It'll absolutely work. And I was like, interesting. So now I'm like, now we're going in to do the record and all of that. And I'm like. I'm like, oh, this is an opportunity to get, like, one of our cool special guests on our record, you know? Like, we've always prided ourselves on kind of bringing in people that maybe is unexpected. Julian Baker's been on goddamn three records in a row.

[Colin]

This one, too.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, three in a row. She's also. She's the seventh member of the band Legend. So I was, like, thinking about all these different people I could ask, you know, And I'm like, oh, that could be cool. That could be cool. That could be cool. Then I was just like, what if I just literally asked Lou Barlow? Like, how brazen of a thing. What's the worst you could say? Yeah, yeah. So do you guys know Yossi Salik Bandsplain? So Yossi had, around that time, interviewed him. So I hit up Yossi, and I'm like, yo, is he cool? Is he nice? And she's like, he's perfectly sweet. I'm like, okay. All right. So got his email, wrote him an email. I wrote him about the context of the song, what the song meant to me in my life, what I went through when I was writing the song, sent him the lyrics, and I sent him a demo of how it would work. Responds. Sounds fun.

[Colin]

It's like, what do you mean?

[Jeremy Bolm]

So. But just like, in retrospect, it's insane to just be like. It is brazen to be like, hey, would you sing your song on my song? Yeah, you know, it's like. It's a huge ask. Like, I am not. I am not.

[Colin]

Can I have this?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, basically, yeah. Also, it's like, can we. Also, is it okay if we use your song? Like, you're gonna get a hell of peace off of it. Respect. But. And the fact that he was like, yeah, I'm down. And then of course, like, it took kind of a minute for it to get the tracks. But, you know, we've had guests on our. When you all sudden get the email with the vocal tracks in there and

[Colin]

you're just like, no way.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You did. So going into the studio and just putting it on and then like, hearing it, like, with the. Because at first when you just get the stems, you're like, it's just the. I need to hear it in the context.

[Colin]

Put the sauce on it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So when you hear it in full. I mean, hearing his voice singing that song that has meant. Meant so much to me in my life. Like in our song, I was like, this is. That's like top coolest things that's ever happened in our band for sure.

[Beau]

That's awesome.

[Colin]

Galaxy Brain.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, man. Decision. It was. It was so cool. It was so cool.

[Colin]

Is there anything you think you haven't achieved artistically yet that you'd like to do? You have a big goal that you haven't gotten to reach it.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I would really like to put out, like, a published poetry book. I've done a. I've released. I've self released a lot of stuff over the years. I haven't done one in a minute. It's been this sort of thing that's been nagging at me kind of a thing to be like, yo, like, put effort into this and do it. And that's not to say I'm deserving of it because I know that there is a pipeline of, like, singer guy to poetry to. You know, I'm not. It's not lost on me. I do really like writing when I get in the headspace to do it because it's. It's nice to know I can get this off my. I don't have to be as crazy about it as I am. Lyrics. Because it's like, I don't have to perform this rest of my life. It could just be a nice expression to get out that I feel good about. I'll still work it to death. But it just. It's like another form of expression that I really found a lot of joy in throughout my life. So at some point in my life, I would really. That would feel really good to get to do it. Great answer. Yeah.

[Colin]

Let's talk about something very important.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Is it bad that I've been just looking at you guys sideways?

[Colin]

No, not at all.

[Beau]

If you have something you need to address them, you just take your camera.

[Colin]

No, that's Totally fine.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Playing music around the world. There's so few things that bring us comfort. So few. It's a hard world out there.

[Beau]

It's a hungry.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's a very hungry boy.

[Colin]

So the end of the day.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

A guy's gotta eat.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Guy's gotta eat.

[Colin]

What are you into?

[Jeremy Bolm]

What do I like?

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We haven't really talked food much in our lives, have we?

[Colin]

No. We've gone to Wingstop before, and you got barbecue. You got only barbecue. And I remember being like, you know, I just take.

[Beau]

It's a choice.

[Colin]

I haven't forgotten.

[Beau]

It's a choice.

[Colin]

I remember my friend's orders, and you got all barbecue.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I remember being. I don't do that. I don't do that. Now. Now I'm a. Now I'm a mostly just original hot.

[Beau]

Love the original hot.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. All flats. That's.

[Beau]

That's. That's him.

[Colin]

Did I put you on?

[Jeremy Bolm]

You might have.

[Colin]

I must have.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You don't get enough meat on the.

[Colin]

I must have.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. You don't get enough meat on the stick on the drum.

[Colin]

The flat is more tender. It's darker.

[Beau]

You don't get enough meat on the bone. That's my stance. I'm a boneless guy. What can I say?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Those are chicken nuggets. That's fine.

[Colin]

The new crispy tender.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Is fantastic.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay, so your question is what kind of.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

No. What's number like? So touche. More.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

You're on the road.

[Colin]

Is on the road.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah.

[Colin]

You unanimously are like, we got. Okay, here's the spot.

[Beau]

We gotta eat.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Well. Okay, so that. Not. And I'm not dodging the question, because I'm gonna.

[Colin]

Let's go.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You.

[Colin]

And let's go.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Because there's always compromise on. You know. And it's usually. Compromise is usually Chipotle.

[Beau]

But so, like, for the band, if it's like, is there anyone's like, oh, they have that here. Let's go there. It's gonna be Chipotle.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's gonna be probably me wanting to eat something very specific, like. Forgive me if I'm getting the name wrong, because I think I'm getting it right, though. But is it Smithfields? That's in. That's on, like. It's in, like, North Carolina. South Carolina.

[Beau]

Ooh.

[Colin]

I don't know. Smithfields Barbecue.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I think it's. Fuck. I hope I'm not kidding. It's something. Smith. Something. It's something like that, but it's barbecue and fried chicken. And fried chicken is unreal.

[Colin]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's unreal. Like, they basically give you two gigantic patties on the smallest piece of bread to where you're just like, this. This is a mess.

[Colin]

But it's perfect.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Slather that thing in hot sauce. I'm pretty sure it's Smith Fields. Okay. Unbelievable.

[Beau]

But the band would be Chipotle.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But. But, yeah, they also. I'm not a Taco Bell guy. I've never been a Taco Bell guy. They love Taco Bell. Often they'll hit Taco Bell. I'll take a walk. Probably find a Wendy. Wendy's or something.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Interesting.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Dude. People need to put respect on Dave's double.

[Jeremy Bolm]

You know, I'm a Wendy's spicy chicken elitist.

[Colin]

I like Wendy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Wendy.

[Colin]

My grandfather was her personal trainer.

[Beau]

She's never frozen.

[Colin]

I know.

[Beau]

She's always there.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I don't. I. I really only do McDonald's in Europe.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Just. I don't.

[Colin]

It's just a lifeline.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, it's a lifeline. Same with Burger King. It's a lifeline like, dude, hey, the long chicken. Yeah, love a long. But like, in the States, like, I'm hitting. I'm hitting probably like a Wendy's or something like that. Yeah, Wendy's rocks.

[Colin]

All right, here's a big one. You know, it's nighttime. It's dark out there. You're gonna have to walk back to your car.

[Beau]

Scary mountains.

[Colin]

You ever see a ghost in any circumstance like that?

[Jeremy Bolm]

No.

[Beau]

Do you believe.

[Colin]

Do you believe in the supernatural?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Before I answer this, is this. Does this. Do we get into afterlife question about this? No.

[Colin]

You can.

[Beau]

You can if you want.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Okay. Because I have a. I like to hope ghosts are real.

[Colin]

Yeah, That's a great answer.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. I like to hope ghosts are real. I like the concept of it. I don't love the concept of being haunted by something.

[Colin]

Sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

My mom had some pretty crazy stories about scary stuff that happened to her and her sister growing up because they worked out of a funeral home in Nebraska. And her stories were very, very believable to where I was like, yeah, it's settled then. Yeah. So, yeah, she wouldn't lie to me. So she wouldn't. Yeah, there you go. So there's that.

[Colin]

Are you calling the Jeremy's mama liar?

[Jeremy Bolm]

I would never.

[Beau]

I would never.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I do think that a lot of it is probably in your mind and

[Beau]

in your step up really quick. Right in front of his face, though.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. But also, you know what? If you need to. If you need to make yourself believe because of one thing or Another. Let's go too.

[Beau]

That's what cavemen did when there was thunder. They invented gods. It's nonsense.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I'm on.

[Colin]

I've seen what I've seen. And so has Jeremy's mom.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yo, Marissa from Freshwater. That photo. Did you guys talk about that photo?

[Colin]

She.

[Beau]

Her story was very intense when she.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, when she sent me that photo. I'm still shook by that photo. It's saved in my phone. I don't like it. Freaks out.

[Beau]

Get it off your believer.

[Colin]

Yeah, I'm all in.

[Beau]

What about aliens?

[Colin]

I'm in a hundred.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah. I mean, it's proven at this point.

[Colin]

Yeah. I mean, 100.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, it's proven.

[Colin]

They're one. We're one tragedy away from them being like, we need. Okay, just drop it. We got a distraction.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Have you ever.

[Beau]

You ever experienced anything or seen any.

[Jeremy Bolm]

No.

[Beau]

Inexplainable?

[Jeremy Bolm]

No, no, no. Nothing like that. But 200 shows a year, never seen anything. That's crazy, huh?

[Colin]

Or no aliens, either, though.

[Beau]

Yeah, I know.

[Colin]

Okay. They're both real. And lastly, our final question.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

And you can take as much time as you need. Jeremy Bolmes, top four hardcore records of all time. 4.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I'm gonna try not to think too much about. About this.

[Colin]

Yeah, you don't need to.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You shouldn't have.

[Beau]

You shouldn't have. Right?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Jane Doe.

[Colin]

Yeah, I knew it was covered.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Cursed too. Yeah. In this defiance.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Dude. Vod self titled Great answers.

[Beau]

In this Defiance is actually a crazy record. Like, front to back, every song has a riff, at least one reference just like, what?

[Jeremy Bolm]

So let me put it. There's a gentleman who used to fill in when Nick couldn't tour with us in our. In our band. His name is Eric Goodman. Legendary guy, right? Would often get pretty drunk and be the funniest man on earth. Right? One time sitting shotgun. I'm driving. Blasting in this defiance on an overnight drive because these guys trying to sleep. I'm just. I gotta stay up, man. I'm playing. I'm playing the hits. I'm going from this right at the. A fixation on a coworker.

[Beau]

I'm.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We're. We're off, baby. We're going. We're going. And out of nowhere, Eric, like, we're listening to, like, instantly half probably during blister or something like that. He just turns around, he just goes, yo, man, even if you don't like this, you like this.

[Colin]

It's so real.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It's so accurate.

[Beau]

It's perfect hardcore music.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yes.

[Beau]

It's the perfect Blend of two. Truly two eras.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Was. Yeah.

[Colin]

And that there was a day where we discovered that blister goes pit to pit to pit to pit.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah.

[Beau]

No, I. I think. Didn't we just say it was mock? It was mosh. Six. Four.

[Colin]

I think it's 4.4M.

[Beau]

4.

[Colin]

4 is hard to achieve. We all know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Is that Force of change.

[Beau]

That is blister. It's the end of blister. Force of change, however.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Hard.

[Beau]

Unbelievable.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

Where do you go with Converge if not Jane Doe? What's the.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Your next question?

[Beau]

Because I think all of us know Jane Doe is the record impactfully, musically, you know? You know what I mean? It is such its own thing.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Beau]

So then. And I like to know what your next one is.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. So because of when I got into them through petitioning, so I go, jane petitioning.

[Colin]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I have a Buried but Breathing tattoo that's like such an. Like, no one's referencing Buried but Breathing. You know, that's like. That's a Dahlbeck song for sure. You know, like, it sounds like it's a Bane song. Yeah, it sounds like a Bane song.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But. Yeah. So probably if I was to do the order off. Just off.

[Beau]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Jane petitioning. No heroes. Yes.

[Colin]

That's my.

[Beau]

That's yours.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Right? Ax to fall.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Jeremy Bolm]

When forever comes crashing, you fail me. Wow. I love you. Failing.

[Colin]

I expected you to be a biggie. Fail.

[Beau]

That's my number one.

[Jeremy Bolm]

I love you. And this is me. Just off the cuff.

[Beau]

Of course, if I probably really thought

[Jeremy Bolm]

about it, you failed me. Might have moved, actually. I'm swat.

[Beau]

Okay.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Jane petitioning. Jane petitioning.

[Beau]

No heroes.

[Jeremy Bolm]

No heroes. You fail me. X to fall. When fervor comes crashing all we love we leave behind. And probably just everything in order since then.

[Beau]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's probably where I'm going.

[Colin]

No heroes. Goaded.

[Beau]

What a band.

[Jeremy Bolm]

What a band. Tom's right. Story with them.

[Beau]

Yes, a couple times.

[Jeremy Bolm]

When was the first time? What album?

[Beau]

The second Death Wish record, Rust, but we did in 2015. We did Europe with them on our first time on a bus.

[Jeremy Bolm]

So 15. What record is that for them? Is that. That.

[Beau]

That was. That was movies.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Most all we Love. All we love, we leave behind. Yeah. Because we did the first All We Love We Leave behind in Europe with them.

[Beau]

Oh. Ours was definitely a B market, so that makes sense.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you on. Did you ride a. Were you on a bus?

[Beau]

We were on a bus with them first time.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Same with us.

[Beau]

It Was the Death Wish. It was us. Trap Them Young and In the Way. Converge. It was like the Death Wish tour.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you had four bands on the bus? Yeah, we just had three.

[Beau]

But, yeah, it was, you know, that big red one.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Oh, yeah.

[Beau]

Everybody takes it. It's got 20 bunks upstairs. 24 bunks upstairs.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, there was a lot of. There was. I feel like they were still all used. Like. It was. Oh, yeah. People just hanging their show clothes in that hallway.

[Beau]

Oh, it's gross, man.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Never trolled with them. Love to.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It was. Man, that was awesome. Sounds awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't been on a bus many times in my life, but that was the first one. That was. That was the very first one. And I was. Yeah, yeah. Couldn't. I was just, like, nervous every day, really. I mean, just. We had toured the US with them a little bit, and. And that was awesome. But there's, like, a funny. So we gotta go to the AX Default. We got to the AX Default tour, and we were only supposed to be on the first three or four shows because it was like. I don't know. It was one of the early days of the flyer with 800 bands on there.

[Beau]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

And so. So Thursday was on the first couple shows, and Thursday invited us to be the band on it. So we got chosen because of Thursday, not because of Converge. Oh, wow. So we were their pick, and Loodaxe was Converge's pick. And Thursday leaves a tour. We then bullshit our way onto getting to play before the local at the Grog shop.

[Colin]

Jesus.

[Jeremy Bolm]

We're like, we just need a show. We have that day. We're gonna do a whole. We had a whole DIY tour booked. We're like, we'll do the. Can we please open the show? Like, sure.

[Colin]

And you're. Are you on the song Axe of Fall? Was that.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Not yet. 2010? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So. So we were. But we were. It was. It was in the works. It was gonna happen. So we showed up to Cleveland, and the only other band that was there at that point was Converge, and they were like, tyler quit Loodax last night. The. The. One of the people in the party of black breath had a seizure. So they're still stuck in New York. Like, so Ludac showed up, had their merch guy sing after the show. They were like, you gotta go home. And then they pulled us in the room, and they were like, do you guys want to take their spot? So we canceled the rest of our DIY Tour hopped. We're like, let's just do it. Whatever. And then Converge breaks down two days later. So the joke at the end of the tour was Touche Moray, the only band to successfully play every night on the Converge Axe Default tour. Cause they. They left. They left their own tour for like three days. Coalesce headlined.

[Colin]

Oh, my God.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Coalesce then hopped on.

[Colin]

I mean, that's pretty cool.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah, I was pumped. Yeah. But like, there were so many bands

[Beau]

on it, like, throughout the damn Jewelers loop to figure those things out.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Beau]

I hated that stuff.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

It was more of the lone survivor.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. It was so fun. Hey, where's.

[Beau]

Where did the name come from?

[Jeremy Bolm]

So it's so funny to be asked that, you know?

[Beau]

I know.

[Jeremy Bolm]

No, no, no. But it's. I haven't had. Thank you. I haven't had to answer that in a long time. It's funny because we never thought we would ever go to Europe, so got reminded over and over how our band name means nothing, which is true. It's obviously French and Italian. I originally liked that. It seemed like it was just like a sarcastic jab of love. Right. Touche.

[Beau]

I say it to Taylor all the time.

[Jeremy Bolm]

It also could be. Yeah, which I like that as well. So. Yeah, that's kind of. I thought about making a self titled record, just. But like naming the record Touch Love. That's cool.

[Beau]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Bolm]

But then our demo is now called self titled, which is why it's held me up. Yeah.

[Colin]

But it's not called I.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's why I'm. I got you. Might be the next one.

[Beau]

We'll bleep that.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah. Might be the next one.

[Beau]

It might be called.

[Jeremy Bolm]

This is fantastic.

[Colin]

This was unbelievable, that. Jeremy.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

We love you so much, man. 20 years, 22 years strong. I think this friendship is with you and I. Maybe more. Here's to another 22. You know, I'm so proud of you. This is a band I truly watched from, like, before the beginning.

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

You know?

[Jeremy Bolm]

Yeah.

[Colin]

Like, I mosh for Stricken, you know, and then I saw you sing. And now I'm gonna see you at the Palladium.

[Jeremy Bolm]

That's what's up.

[Colin]

And a perfect app. Jeremy Bohm, one of the best guys ever.

[Beau]

Wow.

[Colin]

Thanks for watching. We'll see you all next week. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.