Q&A Special: Top 4 Albums of 2025, Crowbar's Sudden Popularity & Favorite HardLore Moments Ever

Summary

HardLore Podcast – Q&A Special: Top 4 Albums of 2025, Crowbar's Sudden Popularity & Favorite HardLore Moments Ever

Hosts: Colin Young & Bo Lueders
Date: March 19, 2026

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Overview

In this lively Q&A episode, Colin Young and Bo Lueders pause from their usual guest format to connect directly with listeners, reflecting on their experiences from eight straight weeks of intense travel and interviews. The duo dives into a sprawling range of questions sourced from Patreon and podcast listeners, sharing passionate opinions on top albums of 2025, the viral explosion of Crowbar among younger audiences, favorite HardLore anecdotes, advice for newcomers to hardcore, gaming obsessions, scene history, band "what ifs," musical inspiration, gear dreams, food debates, wrestling, and much more—always with their trademark mix of honesty, humor, and scene-lore.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Crowbar Phenomenon

[00:00, 21:52]

• Crowbar's surge in popularity among TikTokers and Zoomers is dissected, with equal parts awe and comedic resignation.
• Crowbar recently jumped from ~80,000 to over a million monthly Spotify listeners in one year, attributed to viral TikTok moments.
• Colin deadpans about the absurdity:

  "It's repulsive in its splendid beauty... Great song but like, top 50 Crowbar songs? ... Fuck no." – Colin [00:13, 21:28]

• The band discusses Kirk Windstein’s newfound TikTok fame:

  "Now Kirk is on TikTok Live getting galaxies sent to him—by me." – Colin [00:24, 21:51]

• They muse on how some bands “catch lightning in a bottle” decades after their prime, and how Crowbar is finally getting their due (“about 30 years overdue”).

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2. Top Albums of 2025 – Hardcore & Beyond

[01:11–05:55]

Colin’s Top 4 Hardcore:

1. C4 – "Payback"
2. Skinhead – "It's a Beautiful Day"
3. Wits End – "Demo 2"
4. Scarab – "Burn After Listing"

Bo’s Top 4 Hardcore:

1. C4 – "Payback"
2. Skinhead – "It's a Beautiful Day"
3. Turnstile – "Never Enough"

   "We've talked about it ad nauseam ... we can't get enough of it." – Bo [02:20]

4. Home Front – "Games of Power"

   "If you're into later Blitz, black Marble, those textures—check this out. Reaction was insane live." – Bo [02:34]

Honorable Mentions:

• Mongrel – "Baptized in the Gutter"
• Firestarter – "Still Holding On" (Straight Edge)
• The Youths of Tomorrow – "Cosmic Joke, Force Perspective"

Top 4 Non-Hardcore:

• Colin: Tribal Gaze – "Inveighing Brilliance," Eboken Mendacium (doom), Hedonist – "Scapulomancy," Jade – "That’s Showbiz, Baby"
• Bo: Lady Gaga – "Mayhem," Ethel Kane – "Willoughby Tucker," Sabrina Carpenter – "Man’s Best Friend," Deftones – "Private Music"

  "Mayhem by Lady Gaga—omission for me, for sure." – Colin [05:09] "Deftones ... that were my personal definition of, like, earworms" – Bo [05:35]

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3. Favorite Shows (Time Travel Q)

[06:15]

• If reliving a show:
  • Bo: United Blood 2009 ("This is my shit ... Converge, Cro-Mags, Foundation. Watched COA scream Hard Times right in JJ’s face.") [06:24]
  • Colin: Bolt Thrower/Autopsy/Benediction ("I would dive the whole time, not just the first three songs. I’ll never forget that experience.") [07:04]
• If attending one you missed:
  • Bo: Misfits/Negative Approach, Detroit ‘81
  • Colin: Killing Time’s last show, Bad Brains ‘82 Christmas

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4. Local Bands That Should Have "Blown Up"

[08:19]

• Violation ("Definitive CA band, smoked everybody, if only they'd gone full-time.") – Colin [08:43]
• Lurk ("They were doing it, just never quite caught the break. Timing is everything.") – Bo [09:05]

  "It's all timing, dude. Luck, timing, skill." – Colin [09:31]

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5. Scene Reflections & Advice

[27:16]

• Making friends in the hardcore scene is about "just being around" and being willing to talk. Complimenting a shirt or starting simple makes a difference.

  "Just be around. You'll get there." – Bo [28:34]

• Colin recalls being 14, moshing "borderline naked."

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6. Melodic Hardcore – The "Dark Ages"?

[10:45, 70:10]

• Questioned if they’d have a melodic hardcore band defend the subgenre:

  "It's not the existence of [melodic hardcore]. We were there, guys. We just had enough." – Colin [10:46] "We lived through it. It was a time period. There’s context. It’s not our thing." – Bo [11:32]

• On why they call it the "dark ages":

  "It’s not the notes, it’s the time we lived through … it was all you got for a while." – Colin [70:55]

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7. Gaming Obsessions

[14:38+]

• Resident Evil 2/4/9 Remake praised as entry points; latest is “unreal” with “puzzles.”

  "If you're starting, start with 2 Remake ... meant to be played twice!" – Colin [16:23]

• Bo obsessed with cozy “Pickopia”:

  "Taylor and I are just playing it sitting next to each other ... like, oh shit, it's 4 a.m." [17:35]

• Favorite phone games: Slay the Spire, Magic the Gathering Arena.

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8. Gear Dreams & Musicianship

[18:08]

• Dream gear:
  • Bo: Legendary guitars—Jeff Hanneman's BC Rich, John Christ’s “Excalibur”-like Danzig guitars, the Les Paul with lineage from Pete Townshend → Johnny Marr → Noel Gallagher.
  • Colin: Danzig’s skull necklace.

  "Mine would be the little Danzig skull necklace from the cover of Lucifuge." – Colin [19:45]

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9. Notable HardLore Moments (Mt. Rushmore)

[51:27]

• Jeremy’s “Secret Voice” – the most shocking, loud, “Dune voice” moment the show ever captured. [51:30]
• Davey episode: making him laugh.
• Sweetwater episode: dap in racquetball room, Tad testing theater reverb via “my back hurts” [52:38]
• Stigma’s apartment:

  "So December 21st—‘Oh, my mom’s birthday.’ ‘Wow. Anyway.’" – Stigma/Bo [53:02]

• Prank calls/bit episodes: Tutweiler Hotel, Clippa spot-check for “shit in his underwear”.

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10. Scene Economics: Fests vs Tours

[34:22]

• Doing a festival residency (à la Harry Styles) can be far more economically sensible than touring.

  “You're burning money touring ... being set up in one building, people get the best performance.” – Colin [34:46]

• For most bands, a tour built around festival appearances is optimal.

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11. Music “Time Capsule” – 6 Essential Records

[44:25]

• If all music is lost, their capsule would contain:
  • A Smiths record ("Vauxhall")
  • Slayer’s "Reign in Blood"
  • Beatles – "Let It Be"
  • Michael Jackson – "Thriller"
  • Gaga or Whitney Greatest Hits
  • A Zeppelin or punk record (Bad Brains “ROIR”, Minor Threat)

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12. Fun & Hilarious Segments

Throughout

• Sword naming à la Tolkien: "Dawn," "Zuma"
• Hardcore bands that would be huge if they debuted today: Sam Black Church, VOD, Inside Out, Unbroken, Stricken
• Muppets remakes: "John Carpenter’s The Thing" with Kurt Russell as only human [74:44]; "Lord of the Rings" with a human Sam or Wormtongue.
• Last song before dying: “My Way” (Sinatra), Björk's "Unravel" or "Aurora"
• Supergroups (no hardcore/punk): Johnny Marr, Matt Freeman, Dave Lombardo, John Mayer.

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13. Advice and Anecdotes

Job/Tour Dilemmas

• Tour life means "quitting every job" or, if lucky, negotiating extended unpaid time off.

  "That's the sacrifice ... you're in between things." – Colin [98:28]

Making friends at shows

• Complimenting a shirt or just being present goes a long way.
• Shared the experience of giving a record to Human Furnace, only for it to be politely left behind—a memorable "punisher" moment.

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14. Riffs on Food, Fashion, Wrestling, and More

• Waffle House: Bo’s All-Star (waffle “comes later”); Colin’s “steak & eggs, hella smothered.”
• Best city for music/food in California? “The Valley” if not a millionaire; food options are endless.
• Fashion recs: Fullcount jeans, Studio D’Artisan 1950s.
• Wrestling finishers: Burning Hammer (“You’re fucking dead”), Crippler Crossface.
• Best mosh songs: 100 Demons “Forsaken,” Disgrace “Conquered.”
• Charcuterie: Brie, sharp cheddar, salami, green apple (Bo), pickle between the cheese (Colin disagrees on fruit).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Crowbar’s viral moment:

  "Crowbar is the ultimate example of everybody that likes them, listens to them and thinks, how is this not the biggest band in the world? And now the right people have found them at the right time." – Colin [22:31]

• On TikTok fame:

  "And now Kirk is on TikTok Live getting galaxies sent to him." – Colin [00:24, 21:51] "By me!" – Bo [00:25, 21:52]

• On scene friendship:

  "Literally, it could be as simple as, 'Oh, dude, that Madball shirt is sick.' ... Just be around." – Bo [28:34]

• On gaming:

  "Every few years, the new Resident Evil comes out and I have to, like, remember it's my favorite thing." – Colin [14:41]

• On gear purchases:

  "Hard Lore is powered by Affirm ... You torpedo your credit for that piece of gear." – Colin [93:56]

• Best mosh science:

  "...Thrones of Blood has the greatest breakdown build up in history ... to carry the load has the fake out like three times—they make you earn it." – Colin [30:58]

• On last music before death:

  "Frank Sinatra, My Way. I want to be lying there, just like: 'tell 'em, Frankie.'" – Colin [54:33]

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Quick Timestamps for Highlights

• 00:00-01:41 – Crowbar’s TikTok boom, intro to Q&A
• 01:41-06:15 – Top 4 albums of 2025 (hardcore & non-hardcore); honorable mentions
• 06:15-08:12 – Time travel show picks
• 08:19-10:22 – Local bands that should have made it big; scene timing
• 10:45-12:08 – Melodic hardcore (“dark ages” debate); would they host melodic HC bands?
• 14:38-19:19 – Gaming favorites: Resident Evil, Pickopia, mobile games
• 18:08-19:45 – Dream gear: legendary guitars, Danzig memorabilia
• 21:52-23:58 – Crowbar’s meme-ification, Spotify metrics, cultural “jackpot”
• 27:16-28:47 – How to make friends in hardcore
• 30:17-32:39 – What makes a good breakdown: before/during/after
• 51:27-53:09 – HardLore Mount Rushmore moments
• 70:16-71:14 – Why melodic hardcore feels like the "Dark Ages"
• 74:44-75:50 – Muppets remake pitches; John Carpenter’s The Thing, Lord of the Rings
• 97:04-98:28 – Job/tour balance; “You have to quit to tour.”
• 99:31-101:38 – Interactions at shows: line between “pleasant” and “punishing”

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Tone & Takeaways

Colin and Bo are candid, sometimes irreverent, always genuine. Their banter is filled with running jokes, deep-cut references for scene heads, and willingness to poke fun at themselves. They balance well-earned OG perspectives with a refreshing openness to new music, new fans, and changing scenes. Even while expressing disdain for “the dark ages” of melodic hardcore or the dangers of TikTok virality, they remain inclusive:

"We're just two guys ... you do you."

Whether you’re new to hardcore, a lifer, or just into punk/metal/riffs, this Q&A is a dense, funny, wide-ranging primer on the culture, lore, and faces of heavy music in 2026.

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Transcript

[A]

Bean Guzzler said, talk about Crowbar. What they are going through right now, TikTok kids and the Zoomers have discovered. And it's repulsive in its splendid beauty. Great song, but like, top 50 crowbar songs.

[B]

No. You don't think so?

[A]

Fuck, no. But it's crazy what connects with people and how fast it can happen. It's amazing. And now Kirk is on TikTok Live getting galaxies sent to him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

By me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hello. Welcome. It's Hard Lord Time. How you doing, Bo?

[B]

I'm doing good, Colin. We've been doing so much traveling and in person. Stuff. Stuff. You know, it just felt like, hey, maybe we do a little catch up. A little Q and A.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Because we got more coming up, so, you know, it feels good. Maybe we dial it back a little bit. It's true.

[A]

After eight weeks of Pure Heat, we're chilling this week. We just want to chat. Catch up. Catch up with all you. Answer some of your questions and start first and foremost with. We didn't do a Hard Lore Awards this past year. We just had too much going on and too much to do. And. And as you saw the past eight weeks, we had a lot coming. So we figured we'd start by letting you know. Here are our personal top four hardcore records of 2025.

[B]

Okay. I think you and I are going to have a few overlaps.

[A]

Borderline identical. Possibly.

[B]

Possibly. Yeah. Number one.

[A]

Number one, C4, payback.

[B]

That's number one for sure.

[A]

Number two, skinhead. It's a beautiful day. What a beautiful day.

[B]

All right, now we might deviate. Maybe.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Number three is the Wits End Demo 2.

[B]

Oh, cool. Sick.

[A]

Amazing. Hardcore Capital. Hard Capital core. And my number four is Scarab Burn after listing.

[B]

Very nice. So I went number three. I went turnstile. Never enough. Unbelievable. We've talked about ad nauseam.

[A]

It's never enough.

[B]

It's. It's. We can't get enough of it. And number four was home front. Games of Power. I love that record. If you're into like Later Blitz, kind of maybe black Marble, even some of the textures in there. And you haven't heard this record.

[A]

Saw. I saw them open for Cox Bar at the Palladium.

[B]

That's all enough.

[A]

And they were. They fit right in. And the reaction was like, insane.

[B]

That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So I've been. I've been digging that record. I kind of forgot that it came out last year. I listened to it in a chunk or. You know how you just spend like a month on A record and then you just kind of move on. But when I. When I remembered, I was like, oh, fuck, that's right. So really like that record. Games of Power.

[A]

Honorable mentions to the records that we put out, which are Mongrel, Baptized in the Gutter. Co release by Daze. Firestarter, still holding on Straight Edge. Legendary. The Youths of Tomorrow, Cosmic Joke, Force Perspective. Our Beloved Brothers. Co released by Triple B Records. And here are now our top four non hardcore records of 2025.

[B]

I'm curious to see how non hardcore you get.

[A]

I mean, completely.

[B]

Okay, good.

[A]

Number one would be Tribal Gaze. Inveighing brilliance.

[B]

Oh, you're still going heavy. Oh, yeah. For the most part, I didn't go heavy.

[A]

Just about the heaviest thing you'll ever hear. Maybe the heaviest guitar tone ever recorded in history. Eboken Mendacium. I think I'm saying that right. I don't care. Because they're American. So in terms of like, slow, brutal, doom metal brutal, emotionally. Not like chug, chug. Yeah, yeah. Just. This band is undefeated. They have been for so long, and I love to see them still rocking. Next would be a record that's relatively new to me. This is Hedonist. Scapulomancy. Whoa, brother. Yeah, this thing's nuts.

[B]

Yeah. I've not even heard of that.

[A]

They do the bolt thrower thing a lot better than many contemporary bands trying to do the bolt thrower thing. Like the ringing out open riff with the sick lead over it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they understand having, like the moment in every song. Which. Which many death metal bands don't.

[B]

Do not. Yeah, for sure.

[A]

They don't remember that. And they. They don't meander the records. The songs go by. There's a big event and all of them. And there's a reason to get to the end. My last one would be my number one record of last year. That would be Jade. That's showbiz, baby. It's a masterpiece. Can't believe it. Listen to it no less than a thousand times.

[B]

All right. My. Mine are pretty different. I put Mayhem by Lady Gaga.

[A]

Oh, dude. I mean, omission for me, for sure,

[B]

but I wasn't truly. When you said non hardcore, I really went like, fully non hardcore. I didn't even think heavy. So that's kind of my misinterpretation. That's fine. Ethel Kane Willoughby Tucker. I'll always love you. Great, haunting, amazing record. Sabrina Carpenter. Man's best friend. Tracks.

[A]

A couple tracks.

[B]

I. I know. I just think it's fun. I enjoy it. I agree and lastly was the newest Deftones record, Private Music. There's a couple tracks on that that were my personal definition of, like, earworms, where I don't even know why. I just could not get them out of my head. I think that's a success. That's a hit.

[A]

That's how you do it, especially late in your career.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And here we go with the Q and A. It's Q and A time, everybody. Let us begin. We're gonna start with the Patreon questions. This is a good question. First question by Run the Jewels. If you could time travel to see one, go back and see one show you were at and one show you were not at, what shows would they be?

[B]

That's a great question. Whoa. One show you were at? So relive a show. Yeah, probably The United Blood 2009.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It was the CRO Mag. It was like CRO Mags, Converge, Rise and Fall were like the last three Convicted played, Foundation played. It was just kind of like. It was one time where I was watching a fest where I was like, oh, this is. This is my shit. Like, this is. Here we are. And everyone watched. I watched COA scream the verse to Hard Times in JJ's face. Like this close. He was like, hard times.

[A]

Like he meant it, man.

[B]

And it was incredible. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I would probably like to revisit that one. And one that I wasn't at is like the fucking Misfits negative approach in Detroit in 81. You know what I mean?

[A]

The last show.

[B]

Yeah,

[A]

one show I was at, I would go back to the Bolt Thrower autopsy benediction show.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

And I would dive the whole time, no matter. No matter what.

[B]

Bribe security.

[A]

Not just the first three songs until stopped. Because that I will. I will just never forget that experience. And how beautiful was. Do you remember how psyched the band was?

[B]

You remember what the three songs were?

[A]

I mean, it was. It was Fourth Crusade opened and then it was like War remembrance or something. And, dude, it might have been Powder Burns Third. It was crazy.

[B]

That's crazy because it was nuts. I wonder if they played the same set when we saw him.

[A]

You know, probably. I would think so. I don't think it was a rotating.

[B]

I remember. You know, I think they did open with Fourth Crusade.

[A]

Oh, man, that's. And that's insane.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was pitting for Powder Burn straight up. One show I was not at. What shows would they be? Either the Killing Time last show. Because just being in the mix and that looked unbelievable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or the fucking bad brains. That 82.

[B]

82 Christmas.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Awesome.

[A]

It's the sickest thing ever. Okay, this is a great question from Heavy the. From the King Heavy Riffage fiend.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

What were some local bands you expected to blow up but never did?

[B]

Local bands.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now that's interesting because we kind of have very few bands like Blow up from Chicago. So it was kind of the opposite. It was like Fall up boy.

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

You know, Rise Against.

[A]

I think it's like I. More so. So the band Violation from the late 2000s.

[B]

I see.

[A]

I think if they became like a full time touring entity, remix their lp, did another lp, would still be raging to this day. Like they were such a definitive band in California in the late 2000s. Like smoked everybody.

[B]

I imagine you would have quite a few answers for this.

[A]

I mean, there's so many.

[B]

While you think. I think one from here that. That does come to mind is Lurk. The band Lurk because they were doing it for me, they were doing it and it seemed like. I don't know, it. It seemed like they just didn't quite catch a break. It like not even to disparage anything they were doing. Awesome. It was just like sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't put out the song at the right time.

[A]

It's all timing, dude. It's all. It's truly. It's is a combination of luck, timing and skill.

[B]

Yeah. But I really like Lurk. I really liked what they were doing and hopefully they come back. I don't know.

[A]

Well, the homies in military gun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's.

[B]

Which is. And he's killing it. So it's like that. That mashup makes total sense.

[A]

It's great, you know, it's a great. So favorite Korean food dish, brother. I mean, aside from all barbecue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bulgogi, the brisket, the kalbi, the black bean noodle is one of the greatest culinary innovations in history. Jajangmyeong, I think it's called. I don't know how to pronounce it. So I'm sorry, but I believe that's the technical term.

[B]

I love a rice cake. I think it's Korean. Like a spicy rice cake.

[A]

Yeah, it's insane with the cheese and the sausage.

[B]

Maybe some corn. They got the craziest mashup over there and it seems great. I'd love to go.

[A]

So much cheese.

[B]

A lot of cheese and cold.

[A]

A lot of melted cheese. I got to get my. I got to get over there. I got to get over there. Dylan Reed asks, would y' All. Ever have a melodic hardcore band on the show to defend the existence of melodic hardcore? Like, yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't think we. It's not the existence of. I get it. We get it.

[B]

We were there, guys.

[A]

We just had enough.

[B]

Oh, I was just gonna say we just had Nick Hexum on the show.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Like. Like peripherally, that is associated with lots of stuff you would think we wouldn't like. It doesn't matter. That's not what this is about. It's just like that kind of music wasn't our thing. Nick Hexum just happened to be kind of our thing. But so there's. There are bands like we talk about all the time. Have Heart has melodic parts. I think people can consider Half Heart a melodic heart, but I mean, I

[A]

think they're asking like a band that would like. We would. Our natural instinct would be like, fuck that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have them on to talk about it and like, we have things in common and common ground with all these bands. It's just not our thing. Yeah, we're just two guys.

[B]

Also, we're not talking about, like, this music is bad. It was a. It was a time period that we lived through also.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

There's like context to why we feel the way that we do. Those are just over there.

[A]

And. And it was a dark time.

[B]

No wind in the sails.

[A]

Nothing. Dude. Dylan Reed asked Colin, what drives you to adopt senior dogs? Just put my. Oh, man. Just put my 11 year old dog down last week and it sucks ass. Can't imagine getting a dog that I know won't love, won't live long. I'm very sorry to hear about that. I can't even imagine that George is my first senior dog.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I can already say that, like, I've had him for 11 months now, I think. And those 11 months have been so special that, like, if he died tomorrow, I'd be devastated, but I'd be grateful just to have had that, you know,

[B]

what you've done for him.

[A]

Oh, my God. And yeah, dude, like, he's the most spoiled, happiest guy now. He's just a little baby.

[B]

He's awesome.

[A]

Just a little old baby.

[B]

He's so awesome.

[A]

He's a great dog. And like, I just. I think we were. Lana and I were very inspired by Mike and Britti, who are constantly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Saving animals and helping them and showing them what life can be and they go through losing them all the time and it just like, if anything, it makes room for you to do it again with some other dog. I'll never not have a senior dog, period. Never again. Condolences, Miles X asked. A video game studio has reached out to make a skin and put a track from your bands in the game. What is the game and what is the track?

[B]

Track. Love it. It's just gonna be Fortnite.

[A]

I mean, like a skin. It has to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I, I. If I have the ability to be in Fortnite and be like. And gritty. On Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Ariana Grande.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I want that.

[B]

Put me in Astroneer. Make a bow. Astroneer skin. I'm in there taking over that planet.

[A]

What song do we want in a game?

[B]

Let's see. Mine would be something kind of nice and ambient. So it'd be like the Gift. Like a. A creepy, creepy track for Astroneer.

[A]

If I'm in Fortnite, and I want it to be my drop song, my victory song, and my jam track.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Well, a. I know technically what has to go into that, and it has to be something to the grid that they can rip the tracks separately and link up with a. With a steady bpm, because that's how that works. The only record that's on a grid is gaining purpose, I think.

[B]

Oh, okay. Sound of Pain.

[A]

I mean, Sound of Pain would be fun if it's.

[B]

If it starts with just Taylor.

[A]

Yeah, that'd be fun. And you see like, the chicken from Family Guy or whatever it is. Yeah, that'd be fun.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Yeah, we'll go with that. Or Crucifixion.

[B]

Very good. What have you been playing lately?

[A]

Resident Evil.

[B]

Tell the people, Tell the World, brother.

[A]

Every few years, the new Resident Evil comes out and I have to, like, remember that it's my favorite thing.

[B]

Yeah. Because when. When it's not in season, let's say.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It isn't at the forefront of what you talk about game.

[A]

It's off cycle, so I'm not thinking about it. And it's because they're. They're designed. They're so short.

[B]

Are they really?

[A]

Oh, yeah. They're. If you know where stuff is, they're four hours long.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

If you don't, they're 12 to 15.

[B]

Yeah, right. How long did you Requiem take you?

[A]

Requiem? I think I did, like, pretty much everything and it was like 12, 13. But it feels long and it is easily. I think it goes four to Requiem in terms of sheer quality. I'm blown away. And then I'm now replaying four and I'm re. Blown Away.

[B]

Do you. To play for need. You have played the others.

[A]

I would play if you. I would just start if you. If you're looking to start. Yeah, start with 2. Remake.

[B]

To remake 2.

[A]

They. The reason they did remade 2 and 4 is because 2, 4, 9 is like a self contained trilogy.

[B]

Gotcha. Okay.

[A]

It's not the same when you don't know about.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Chris and Jill and the people from one. And then three is Claire again, I believe I forget. Or not. I think it's Jill. It might be Jill and Claire. It's been a while. The remake is horrible. So I would do. If you're going to do it. 2, 4, 9.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

7, 8.

[B]

So does 1, 3 and 5 and 6 just suck?

[A]

No, I mean one is. One is goaded, but it's dated.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And a remake is coming. So just wait for that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then Code Veronica remake, I think is next year and that will be awesome.

[B]

Okay. Which one is Veronica? What number?

[A]

Code Veronica is just in between. It's in between either 3 and 4 or 4 and 5.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Before when you play 2 is like 2, remake is like unreal. And it's meant to be played twice.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Because you play it from Leon's perspective. Perspective. And then you play it from Claire's perspective. And it's 10 hours to do both.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And then four is like unreal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just do it. Do it.

[B]

You'll love it.

[A]

It's puzzles.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Which is appealing.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Some of my favorite. Some of my favorite parts of like God of War. Like the old God of War games.

[A]

Exactly. You know, it's just the little puzzles you get to and then it's. It's the best.

[B]

I've been playing pickopia.

[A]

Oh, you're obsessed.

[B]

Unbelievable. It's unbelievable.

[A]

I gotta get it.

[B]

It's unbelievable. Taylor and I are just playing it sitting next to each other and like I told you, we're. We're over like 50 hours and it just.

[A]

And it's been out for two days.

[B]

Yeah, we just got it.

[A]

I'll get it for. I'll get it today.

[B]

It's.

[A]

I'm not scared.

[B]

It's awesome. It's. It feels overwhelming. And then all of a sudden you're doing your tasks and you're like going and going. And then you're just like, oh, shit, it's 4:00am all right. That's crazy.

[A]

Santa Moore. I'm getting it.

[B]

Who is your starter on? On red or blue?

[A]

Bulbasaur or Sorry, Squirtle. Almost always.

[B]

Yeah, same. Okay. You'll you'll be pumped.

[A]

James Hosking asks, if you guys could own one piece of gear from rock history, what would you pick?

[B]

Great. I've thought about this.

[A]

You have?

[B]

I have a love for guitars and things that are named because it's like Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones where there's, like, this ice and Sting and whatever. Like, things with. With that are so fabled. So there's a couple that. That I've thought about. Jeff Hanneman had a crazy BC rich that I believe Sammy from Goat Horror wound up with.

[A]

Now he's probably rocking it in Acet.

[B]

And it was the Rain and Blood guitar.

[A]

Ah.

[B]

So, like, think about what's in that. You know what I mean? John Christ Danzig, 1 through 3. Guitar is in a hard rock in Orlando that's up just sitting in a case. And that's literal, like Wayne's World. Like kneeling to Excalibur.

[A]

That's disgusting.

[B]

Type. Yeah. You know, I think, oh, pro. I have the answer. And. And this is what made me think about the question. And I think I've talked about. On the show, there's an interview with Noel Gallagher where he says he. He got a guitar off of Johnny Mar as a Les Paul.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

70s Les Paul. And he kind of, like, accidentally stole it for, like, a decade. Ran into Johnny Mar later on. I was like, hey, I still have that guitar, like, if you want it. He said, oh, don't worry about it. I got it off Townsend. So it was Pete Townsend and then Johnny Mar and then Noel Gallagher. Which is probably the best lineage one guitar could ever have.

[A]

One guitar has ever had.

[B]

So it would be that. I'll be having that.

[A]

Mine would be the little Danzig skull necklace from the COVID of Lucifuge that he's holding.

[B]

So cool.

[A]

Give me that, dude.

[B]

The. The insert for Danzig. I think it's Danzig. Two is an upside down cross. You ever seen that?

[A]

Yeah. With their. Their photos.

[B]

Yeah. But it's folded.

[A]

Yeah. It's the best.

[B]

It's. I have it on my wall. It's. It's so cool.

[A]

The guy loves Satan. It is what it is. He's basically Glenn. Like, Glenn Benton and Glenn Danzig. Glende. Whoa. Jacob Thompson asks for Colin. Do you think Twitch Fits helped solidify your vocals to a higher level, or was that a trajectory you were already on? I think it is the greatest singing exercise I've ever done in my life, and it taught me so much, and it has made me so much better, and I wish I did it when I was 15. And not 30 something seeing the first

[B]

time I saw Twitch Bits was on the boat, which is insane.

[A]

And I had no voice. And it still worked.

[B]

And it still worked. So pretty crazy.

[A]

We're getting there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bean Guzzler said, talk about Crowbar. I mean, we're going to have them on this year. 100%. Like it's going to happen. We're working on it. It's in the works. But what they are going through right now, it couldn't. So if you haven't looked at their Spotify metrics, they probably had 80,000 monthly listeners a year ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, there are over a million now. TikTok kids and the Zoomers have discovered. And it's repulsive in its splendid beauty.

[B]

Is that

[A]

great song but like top 50 crowbar songs? No.

[B]

You don't think so?

[A]

Fuck no.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's good. I mean, that's what happens when you have a thousand bangers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I wouldn't even put it in the B tier of like their songs.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

It's s tier of music. Cuz it's theirs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's crazy what connects with people and. And how fast it can happen. It's amazing. And now Kirk is on TikTok Live getting galaxies sent to him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

By me.

[B]

Yeah. I see that in our TikTok studio reports. What I. What I like too. And. And maybe this is like a weird parasocial thing on my behalf or their behalf. I don't know. I like that they're like enamored with Kirk.

[A]

I have been my. My whole life.

[B]

I know. But I think that that's sweet.

[A]

I get it. It's like, I totally agree.

[B]

They like found the music and they're like, and it's this guy.

[A]

And it's this guy.

[B]

You know? And like that's. That's really cool to me. What they're going through is the ultimate jackpot for any band on Record Six plus.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And Lord knows they are.

[A]

But Crowbar is the ultimate example of everybody that likes them. Like, listens to them and thinks, how is this not the biggest band in the world?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And now the right people have found them at the right time that could actually make that happen. And when it happens to Acid Bath, a band that you could only listen to on YouTube two years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anything is possible.

[B]

It's incredible. It makes me really truly happy. I wonder what numbers and however it would break down from streams to record sales and blah, blah, blah compared to the 90s for Chrome. Does. Does your. You know. Does all I had. I gave playing on MTV twice a day. Equate anything near what.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sure that. I'm sure the BMI check for that was great.

[B]

I just.

[A]

Now. Dude now I mean it's. It's millions of streams a day.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. And so. And then plus tick tock shit. And like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I think they're making and then they're drawing more than ever.

[B]

Sold out, baby.

[A]

I think I like they played Chain Reaction a year and a half ago. Yeah, that's like it was like 200 cap.

[B]

Yeah. They played Reggie's around that time too.

[A]

They could not. They can't you. They would have to play the Palladium now. You know it's game on for Crowbar and it's about fucking.

[B]

It's about. It's like 30 years too late. Not too late, but overdue. I should say Overdue.

[A]

Exactly. They were due.

[B]

Incredible.

[A]

Here we go. Top three R&B songs not named Return of the Mac.

[B]

Easy, easy.

[A]

All my life pray for someone like you.

[B]

That's Casey and Jojo.

[A]

Thank God. Yeah.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yes. And then I would say what gen. Well, now the answer the question is what genuine song do I pick? Probably differences.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

My whole life has changed.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

I would say honorable mention would be Mario. Let me love you, dude. Maybe I just don't get it.

[B]

Oh, great song.

[A]

Unbelievable track. The last the actual goat probably has to be the Boyz II Men version of. It's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday.

[B]

Great picks.

[A]

I think about this all the time.

[B]

Would Mariah Carey count like Emotions? Yeah. So Emotions. When I hear that song, I actually. And the fact that it was invented so. So far before it was written. So far before modern auto tune was invented. Do you know what I'm trying to say? Like I think they had pitch correction at that time, but it wasn't like it is now. No, you couldn't just monotone and know. No, it wasn't.

[A]

Yeah. Share changed the game.

[B]

Yeah. So Emotions is probably one of the most unbelievable songs ever performed in my opinion. God, I love. Now I have Casey and Jojo just stuck in my head.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

I like Usher a lot. But I'm trying to think of like one of his more chill songs. Probably an Usher song.

[A]

I think the. The Usher video where he's like the. Where he goes, put that on. Put that on everything. It makes me laugh so hard.

[B]

What's the one that's like close to me? Like my Mother Close to Me.

[A]

That's All My Life.

[B]

I can't get that out of my head.

[A]

I mean, it's the best song of all time. So we'll just go with that and

[B]

then seal either Crazy or Kiss from a Rose. Crazy. Crazy song.

[A]

I think Crazy is a cover. I might be fine. Yeah, it's a banger.

[B]

It's fine. Dude. You ever think about how nothing compares to you? Snade o' Connor feigned, famously performed is just a cover. Yeah, it's crazy.

[A]

Crazy. Okay. John Berry asked, have you listened to the new Morrissey record? I listened to the singles and I thought they were complete ass.

[B]

I haven't listened.

[A]

The album art is. Is so atrociously bad. It's an iPhone picture taken outside of a tour at night. Clearly, it's the worst picture I've ever seen.

[B]

It's. It's a statement. Yeah, I just. How do you do years of refusal relatively late in your career, and then you can't do it?

[A]

Dude, even the one from a few years ago is good.

[B]

The world.

[A]

Low in high school.

[B]

Oh, low in high school. Yeah, that one's okay.

[A]

Low in high school is, like, thoroughly good.

[B]

I think years of refusal to me is like an incredible back to form. We've talked about this, obviously, but that was.

[A]

That. That was. That was 17 years.

[B]

Yeah. Straight. And I don't know how you don't go, ah, but we should probably do version two of that.

[A]

Yeah, Yeah, I get it. It is what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Daniel, this is a great question. Daniel Guerrero. Daniel Guerrero asks. I've been going to shows for about two years now. Welcome. And it seems like everyone just knows each other. And that happens. How y' all know each other? We went to Hardcore together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, that's literally how it works. It seems intimidating to spark up a conversation and make friends. How do you guys make your first friends in the hardcore space? I had a brother, so that helped. And Also I was 14, and I was moshing borderline naked, and that was funny. I wouldn't recommend doing that. But it caught on, and people wanted to know what this guy was all about. But if you come around long enough, it'll happen.

[B]

You know, I think a big thing is just talking to people and kind of getting your face in their mind. And literally, it could be as simple as, oh, dude, that mad ball shirt is sick.

[A]

You know what? My good friend Jan did that to me verbatim when I was 15. And I was like, who the fuck is that guy? But it made me remember him forever. And he was so outgoing. He was like, that's a sick shirt, dude. And it was literally a mad washer.

[B]

That's, that's my point is like just.

[A]

Yeah, just be around.

[B]

You just be around and just talk and don't, don't overdo it or anything, but just you're two years, you're brand new, you'll get, you'll 100%. And then, you know, you're social media and blah, blah, blah, you, you'll get there.

[A]

If you guys opened a bar tavern restaurant, what would the vibe be and what would you name it? I would never open a bar, tavern or restaurant, but I'm telling you, I got this idea for a movie theater.

[B]

He really does. You can't.

[A]

I.

[B]

You can't share it.

[A]

I'm not gonna share it, but I think I like, I'm gonna do everything in my power before I die to make it a reality. And, and if whenever I can tell you, I will.

[B]

But I would open a cafe.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I wouldn't want to be involved in it, like in running it because it seems like such an awful, terrible, expensive thing. But like, what's cooler than a coffee shop that's just like bumping, you know.

[A]

Oh, nothing, nothing. Like, I'm never gonna make zomu coffee.

[B]

Yeah, totally.

[A]

So I'm going to go support ZOMO coffee whenever possible.

[B]

Fully, fully agree. You know, there is a family guy experience in Chicago right now in a place where it doesn't make sense. They have the drunken Clam neon sign.

[A]

Oh, that's cool.

[B]

And it's. And then the. Everything on the outside is painted like a cartoon.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

I don't know what's inside.

[A]

I'm on my way. But yeah, it's not in Quahog, Rhode

[B]

island or anywhere in Revival, Chicago, Illinois.

[A]

Okay. Scott McLaughlin on the topic of breakdowns. You guys have said that what comes before and what comes after are just as important as the breakdown itself. And I could not agree. To this day, I still stand by it. Can you give some examples of songs that do the post breakdown part correctly? Oh, I'm a firm believer that the buildup is the most important part and I typically don't care what comes after it, but I'd love to see what you mean.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The buildup. Think about if the song ends at the breakdown. Yeah, it doesn't matter what comes after. Doomsayer, you know, the yer doom awaits you. And that big silence of the reason that part hits. Not necessarily. Not just the breakdown. To carry the load And Thrones of Blood were my top two breakdowns in our best breakdowns episode. Both are preceded by Suffocation. Thrones of Blood has the Ga na na gag and a gas dun dun dun which is the greatest breakdown build up in history. The hardest, I should say to carry crowbar to carry the Load has the Shun kun kun kun kun kun and the fake out like three times.

[B]

Three times they make you earn it.

[A]

And then it finally hits and it. And it's like Martin Scorsese. Absolute cinema.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the Suffocated Thrones of Blood has that insane blast part after that to me is like, I'm just as excited for that to come.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

It's like a fast part and I love that. I think if the song's not over after the big pit, you got to do something cool. That's when I think what comes after is important.

[B]

Okay, I. There's two examples. Very good. Very awesome. There's two examples that kind of do both of the things that. That we're talking about. One we just talked about with Randy. Now you've got something to die for before the big something to die where it's slow. It's like a stomp part. Where it's like that to me. Like what Glock McGlock, whatever his name was. Like, he's saying it's like that pre part to me is way harder than what comes after because it's so full on. But then like you're saying it ends so it works, you know, and just ends. A good example of. Of pre, during and then post is again blistered or Age of Apocalypse by blistered by strife. Apocalypse now. Sorry. By Chromags, where they do the big into a two step part and then into that like, I mean that's still

[A]

some of the greatest mosh science ever. Ever.

[B]

And I know it's a dead horse at this point, but. But that is the example of like pre, during and post. It's. It's perfect. They did it somehow.

[A]

Everything is deliberate and everything is perfect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Patrick Estrada says, name your sword a la Lord of the Rings.

[B]

I love the ones that like. So like Arthur Dayne, a mythical figure in the Song of Ice and Fire universe, was a kingsguard to Varys Targaryen, the guy, the mad king. Right. And he is supposedly. His name is Sword of the Morning because he's just. He's supposedly. He's the number one swordsman of all time. He beats Barristan Selmy. He beats Jaime Lannister in the show he loses to Ned, which is kind of. I. His sword is just called Dawn. I think that's sick. Like, it's not necessarily like killer or whatever. You know, it's dawn or ice. Like, like that is.

[A]

Dawn is dawn goes crazy. He's pull. He just pulled out Dawn. I'm dead.

[B]

And the hilt has a. A rising sun on the. On the hill guard. Like, it's just crazy. So mine would be something like that where it would. It would literally be like glacier or just something kind of. Something kind of innocuous. Sure.

[A]

No, that's cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, since the moonlight greatsword is taken, mine would be a katana just called Zuma. There it is.

[B]

Hats off to you.

[A]

God, he's wielding Zuma.

[B]

Zoomer.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, no.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

Okay. Kiki PM asks, in today's economic climate regarding playing live music, I've wondered, does it make more sense for bands to stick to playing lots of festivals versus taking your chances booking a full tour? I think A, it depends on the band. But like, let's. There's something. There's this big discourse right now around Harry Styles Madison Square Garden residency.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

His fans are furious that he's doing this instead of touring, that he's doing like 10 days or 30 days at the most prestigious venue in the world over economically, like you're burning money touring and that's. That. That's a fact.

[B]

So costly.

[A]

Whereas being set up in one building, not having to travel to and from that building every day. A, people are gonna get the best performance possible because they're not tired. They're human beings. B. Yeah, it makes a lot more sense economically to do something like that. For sure. Like a residency.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, I think playing a one off festival costs a lot to do. If you're flying and getting a hotel for one day, that makes less economic sense than touring to that festival. If you're doing a string of festivals, that makes much more sense. But no, I would say overall, barring van issues and unexpected overhead, touring I think still makes more sense economically.

[B]

Well, what makes the most sense economically is a hybrid is touring around the festival season, which is what most bands will do.

[A]

That's what everybody does.

[B]

And, and it's so funny to. It's so crazy that people like the average person still doesn't understand that because I'll see posts and tweets that are like, I don't understand why these bands can't play a regular show around Lollapalooza in Chicago. It's like, well, because they're playing Lollapalooza.

[A]

Yeah. They're not allowed to do that.

[B]

It's just part of. That's how it works.

[A]

And especially for something like Lollapalooza, that's going to be the. One of the biggest paydays your band ever gets.

[B]

A band.

[A]

Like. Like just speaking plainly here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That doing that versus a club show at fucking Sub T. Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's like, okay, well, our answer is clear here. Unless you're the Foo Fighters and you can go, yeah, we're going to do whatever we want. And we can do both.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Or else we're not playing.

[B]

And the. The Harry Styles thing too is like, have you ever done two days in the same venue on a tour?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's the greatest thing.

[A]

It's the greatest thing of all time. I. So, yeah. I would do that forever in Madison Square Garden if I'm Billy Joel. I'm never stopping that, you know.

[B]

Exactly. There's a band. I'm blanking on the name right now, but they're. They're doing. It's called the from now to Infinity and they're doing a residency at the Metro and every time a day sells out, they added another one and they're on like day eight. They're doing it in Jalas. Yeah. It's incredible. It fucking rocks.

[A]

I love that. What is a lesser known sleeper band or artist with a near perfect discography? The answer is Trypticon to me.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Like zero. Skips zero.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

And I. Allegedly, there's a new record coming this year.

[B]

No shit.

[A]

Which, if that is the case, game over.

[B]

I'm not sure. I don't think it's any band that we haven't talked about on this show billion times.

[A]

Probably.

[B]

Yeah. But. But for me, like anytime, you know who a band that I. I don't think gets enough flowers that we've also talked about, but I'll just bring them up again. Is Black Breath.

[A]

Oh, Banger.

[B]

Banger. They like, just a great band that I don't think people realize how much they kind of change the terrain of what was going on at the time.

[A]

They were bound to be like the next big thing.

[B]

I fully agree.

[A]

It was. It was. It was set in stone. It was happening.

[B]

And they were obviously, they were very popular. They were like. I'm not saying they were like lesser known or underground or anything. I think they were underground, but I'm not saying they weren't like known. But I'm just. I feel like they didn't quite. They didn't get what they deserved, fortunately, you know.

[A]

Yeah, I would agree. Puma Thurman asks. That's funny. That was one of. That was one of Kale's rap names. Oh, Puma Pants, I think was another one. And then what was another one? Puma Thurman is crazy. Hey, guys, thanks for the exceptionally great episodes lately. Thank you. Curious what your most unlikely source of inspiration has been when writing music? Something you lifted or incorporated in some way or another that you think wouldn't. People wouldn't believe if you told them. I've already talked about the Barry White one a thousand fucking times.

[B]

Insane.

[A]

There's. There's a note for note on Hans Zimmer part in a different God's hate song that when I saw Hans Zimmer, he performed the way that we do it.

[B]

Really?

[A]

And it made me think somebody in his camp heard it and was like, yo, we gotta do it like this. Because I changed it in a way and played it in a different way. And then they extended it and played it in the same way that I did.

[B]

What if you're just on the same wavelength as Hans?

[A]

You know, I mean, I always am, but barring that, I like, in the moment, I was looking around like, anybody here. I'm watching him live, being like, he's doing mine, but that. So that's. That's. That's the big one.

[B]

I. We've had questions like this before. I don't know if there's anything that really comes to mind for. For harm's way that doesn't seem obvious. It's like, yeah. Yep. God flesh, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Jordan Buchanan said we just had our first baby in December. Mazel.

[B]

Mazel.

[A]

What hardcore? Say he said, thanks for the mazel. That's really funny. What hardcore slash adjacent songs do you think I should remix into lullabies to sing to her?

[B]

There is some Spotify group that does. That's doing this already and they're so good. There's like saves the Day songs and there's like the Pearl Jam.

[A]

There's a Pearl Jam 10 lullaby version.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That I listen to. It's fucking awesome.

[B]

What's that called? Do you remember?

[A]

I don't know. It's like lullaby version.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, right.

[A]

It's crazy, dude. It's crazy. So, Jordan, don't worry about the hardcore ones. Go listen to what this guy's actually doing and listen to the Pearl Jam Baby remixes. They're fire.

[B]

But other than that, New York City by Matt Baldwin.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that'd be good. It makes My thing, Like xylophone.

[B]

Yeah, there we go.

[A]

Tyler Davis asks, what is in your opinions the perfect mosh song where, like, you're physically standing there. You gotta go, they're playing and like, all forms of mosh occur.

[B]

The first thing that came to mind just now is forsaken by 100 demons,

[A]

start to finish, dude. And then you're.

[B]

I remember. So when. When I first saw them, Bruce was back singing with them temporarily and they played. I remember being like, oh, they're not playing any of the songs. I knew because it was self titled, was out. So I was confused as to what was going on. I didn't know the lore. I was very young. Yeah. And they got to that part and I was like, oh, this part's awesome. I have to listen to this record. You know, it made me like. But that part.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That made me like, oh, I need to listen to the. The record that this singer' apparently. Because people were saying, like, oh, well, forsaken is Bruce. I know. I'm saying Bruce was back singing.

[A]

Oh, Bruce is back. And you were not aware.

[B]

I was totally. I. I was like, well, this isn't time bomb, you know, I didn't. I got you.

[A]

I got you. I understand that.

[B]

So that, that. That song front to back is literally all pit. Like the whole song.

[A]

Mine would be Disgrace Conquered.

[B]

Dude, is that.

[A]

No, that Is it not. That's. That's from the LP Concord.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

From the. The Harness Split and the lp. But Conquered is. Bam ba ba ba ba ba da ba ba. Unbelievable.

[B]

Unreal.

[A]

Here we go. Chris Yates asked, what hardcore bands from the 90s do you think would be huge if they debuted in 2026? Sam Black Church.

[B]

You think so?

[A]

There is such an appetite for weird.

[B]

There is. That's true.

[A]

And nobody did. It's Bad Brains and Slayer combined.

[B]

It's pretty weird.

[A]

Like, like, so effectively, it's insane. And I think that if that was like a new band now, people would be like, this is better than everything. What are we doing this? Let's look. They would be headlining everything.

[B]

Yeah. They were. This. VOD was big back then, are coming, playing again. And I think if they were brand new now, people would eat it.

[A]

Oh, it would be. It would change everything.

[B]

Same with, like, a lot of that stuff, like, Inside out, like, no spiritual surrender today. I think people would be all.

[A]

I think people are dying for anything with something to say.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, like, stuff like vod.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Inside Out, Fucking even

[B]

Unbroken. Like, even stuff like that. You know what I mean? Which I think if that debuted today, people would be like, this is unbelievable. So.

[A]

And also Stricken. If I promise the world gets a hold of Stricken, it's game over. The world will end. Oh, shit. Civilization has ended. All music will be erased. But you are left with the task of leaving music for creatures of the future to find in a time capsule.

[B]

Beautiful.

[A]

What bands or specific records would you leave in a capsule to be discovered? Six records.

[B]

Six records. Wow. I used to play this game in my head in high school where I'd be like, if all music. If I could go back in time, how would I make the perfect hardcore record? By taking all these songs that I know.

[A]

Oh, like, yeah, like Joe Baxter. Bitcoin, but for hardcore records.

[B]

Yeah. Carry on song. Like, I would literally, like, assemble a record. Does it have to be hardcore or is it just.

[A]

No, I think it's all music. All music's a race.

[B]

That's huge.

[A]

We have to pick six records.

[B]

Okay. Let's put in. Let's put in a Smith's record. We know we're gonna put a Smith's record in.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Or. Or Ma's record.

[A]

What? Queen is dead or probably Queen is.

[B]

Either Queen is dead or, in my opinion, Vauxhall. You're. Are you a. You're the quarry guy.

[A]

Oh, I mean, yeah, but, like, Vauxhall is kind of the best of both worlds.

[B]

Yeah, I think so, too.

[A]

So, I mean, listen, I'm down with that. He would be worshiped like a deity if this was one of the six.

[B]

I'm saying. I'm saying Voxel. Voxhall. And I like Rain and Blood

[A]

because that. You can restart extreme music all over again just with that exact.

[B]

And hello. It's perfect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Probably some Beatles record. And. And I say that as, like, not a huge Beatles guy, but it's just like, that is the blueprint.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That needs to be there. Which one would you pick?

[A]

Let It Be.

[B]

Probably beautiful.

[A]

I'm a big Let It Be guy. I love all the Later.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Abbey Road and Rubber Soul.

[B]

Do you get weird with it?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I like Sergeant Pepper. Cool.

[B]

So one of them, I think.

[A]

I think Let It Be would be

[B]

the one probably like Zeppelin.

[A]

Thriller.

[B]

Yeah. Thriller. Yeah.

[A]

We need some women up in here. Oh, women carry. Carry all pop music.

[B]

No problem. Throw. Throw Gaga in there. No problem. Put art pop in there. Yeah.

[A]

I just want record. What single record. You pick, you know?

[B]

Yeah. What is. How do I know? And I want to dance with somebody on whatever that record is.

[A]

You could put, like. I mean, Whitney Greatest Hits Would truly be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kind of the way to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then like Elvis. 5 million 50 million Elvis fans.

[B]

I got, you know, Elvis Christmas.

[A]

Okay, cool.

[B]

Rounded out.

[A]

There's no way to round this down to six. So that'll just. That'll have to do.

[B]

They would open up that pod in the future. Like, yeah, what is this?

[A]

If there's one punk record, what would it be? One single punk.

[B]

Probably. Like this is not even to sound like some old head New York guy, but probably a Bad Brains record or. Or the Minor Tret record.

[A]

Minor Trek, Minotaut, Deskog or Bad Brains Roar. Yeah, probably. Colton Calkins asked, do you guys prefer to listen to a full album at the gym or do you have a specific playlist?

[B]

I will. When I'm listening to a new record, I will always listen to it all the way through. That's kind of like. I don't start records unless I have that chunk of time to be able to do that. And that actually prevents me from listening to records as soon as I would like to.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

You know, because I. I don't always have 40 minutes or whatever. So.

[A]

Yeah, I'm pretty much full album always. For any reason.

[B]

Yeah. I don't.

[A]

Not a playlist guy.

[B]

I don't do that. You know what I am is a. I feel like listening to Crowbar. I just play their top songs and let it rip because they're kind of the best band to do that too.

[A]

Some you can't do that, some you can't.

[B]

But like, dude, you know who's got a great top whatever songs is Cannibal Corpse. You just. Oh yeah, start that and it's all hits.

[A]

Brendan Hessey asks, what was the most recent piece of media you used to dislike but have since revisited and changed your mind on and why? To me, that would be the Resident Evil 4 remake. It really. It truly did not connect with me when it came out a couple years ago. I was. I was playing it sitting here pissed off, thinking they've desecrated the goat. And now I just needed more Resident Evil. And it is hitting me. It's like I've never played it before. It's unbelievable.

[B]

Fascinating.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There is an abridged Dragon Ball Z. I don't know if you've heard about this. Are you a DBZ guy at all? So I think it's called. I think it's DBZ Akai or something. Forgive me if I'm getting it wrong, but it. It gets rid of all of the in between stuff that's nice. Like gohan hunting and running from a dinosaur while the Saiyans are on their way. That's gone. And it's just straight to it. And I simultaneously get it because if I ever watch the series, I tend to skip over that stuff. But I also hate it because I know it wasn't the original.

[A]

Just a lot, dude. It's a lot of fading to black and fading in and out and.

[B]

Yeah. And just a lot of like the go grown up Gohan being say a man is nothing, you know, like it. So there was that. That. That's probably comes to mind. I'm probably gonna watch it soon because it also. It's like, dude, episode. I saw a breakdown. It was like episode 100 of the original Dragon Ball Z. And it's like Frieza like.

[A]

Like it takes 100 episodes to get

[B]

to freezer to get to Frieza. And then episode of the abridged one is like cell. Like it's way Power Boo.

[A]

So it's all Boo Boo Frieza and all that is. Wow. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would love that.

[B]

It's way.

[A]

How do I find that?

[B]

I'll find it.

[A]

Yeah, please. This is a great question here. This one is actually from me. What is the best way to maintain your energy, support your gut health, your immune health, and come out of your winter slump and reset for the season ahead?

[B]

I thought you'd never ask. This is a perfect question. We want to talk about something called AG1.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

So far.

[A]

Yeah. I would say Jeremy Secret voice.

[B]

Yeah. That's probably number one, huh? That's Washington.

[A]

It was it like, in terms of sheer shock. And. And I want you all to know that our reaction isn't a so natural. But the video. What the video doesn't capture is due to compressions and limiters. Yeah. How much louder the Secret voice is than his normal voice.

[B]

It was. I'm not joking when I say it's like the Dune voice, the Bene Gesserit voice. It was like, frighteningly loud.

[A]

Like, it was as if he had

[B]

a megaphone in our faces. And it was so shocking. Yeah.

[A]

That is the greatest moment in the history of the show. I would say something with Davey, I think, making him laugh. I really liked that.

[B]

Yeah, that was good. You know what I watched not too long ago that is just so awesome was our Sweetwater episode. The dap in the racquetball room is so awesome.

[A]

Yeah. My favorite part in that is when we're in the theater.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Tad is texting the re Testing the reverb by going, my back hurts. That really got me.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

I think Stigma.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Stigma's apartment.

[B]

Stigma's apartment. I. I would say for me personally, is the moment where he says, so December 21st, when I go, oh, my mom's birthday. And he goes, wow. Anyway.

[A]

Wow. Anyway.

[B]

That fucks me up.

[A]

All of those. Okay.

[B]

Okay. Anyway, it's so funny.

[A]

Those are really good. And I think something I think about and reference all the time is calling the lady at the hotel at the Tutweiler.

[B]

That was awesome.

[A]

In the Furnace episode.

[B]

I wish we should do more of that. That was really fun.

[A]

Just calling motherfuckers. And in the justice episode when we call Clippa to see if he has shit in his underwear. I like that one a lot.

[B]

Spot check.

[A]

Yeah. He goes, what? Oh. Snurb asks Beau, what conspiracy theories are you into right now?

[B]

Let me tell you something.

[A]

Keep it. Keep it simple.

[B]

Let me talk to you.

[A]

I don't want to have Stephen to have to edit too much out.

[B]

No, no. It's just with all the stuff going on right now, I believe distractions are real. Yeah, I believe.

[A]

Oh, yeah. We're going to tell you everything about aliens.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're. While we're Decimating Iran.

[B]

I think if you look at the Google search trends about certain files and then certain conflicts and see how they completely intersect and are now inversed, it just makes you wonder, I don't know. I don't know. I think it's kind of a big thing to orchestrate, to cover. But then again, what wouldn't you do to cover stuff up? So I guess 100. Yeah.

[A]

Very good. Farts and butts. Asked, what is the last piece of music you want to hear before you die?

[B]

Oh, that's beautiful.

[A]

Frank Sinatra. My way. You know, I want to know in my deathbed. I want. I know. I just want to be like, tell him, Frankie. You know, like when he's. When he says, fucking, what is it, man? What does he got? Is not himself then he has not to say the things he really feels and not the words of one who kneels. The record shows I took the blows and did it my. I want. I want to be laying there just like that. So it's my way.

[B]

Mine would be some Bjorkson, probably either Unravel or Aurora. I just want to drift and go peacefully, I think. Unravel. One of the most beautiful songs ever written, dude.

[A]

Agreed. Did you see her perform with Rosalia at the Brit Awards?

[B]

She. She still got it, baby.

[A]

You see how much she's moving around in the back before she comes out?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So funny, dude. She's like, fuck, I gotta sing this one. And then she. Dude, the place explodes when she walks up.

[B]

She's the goat.

[A]

She's the goat.

[B]

I have to play the song I didn't write.

[A]

She don't like leaving home, but Rosalia got her. Bruce Sheldon asks, what do you think is the sweet spot in terms of number of band members? Obviously, like a three. A goaded three piece is the sickest thing ever.

[B]

Yeah, it's about as cool as it gets. Yeah.

[A]

A goated four piece with a. With a shredder and the rhythm guy on lead vocals is amazing.

[B]

Tried and true.

[A]

Tried and true, you know, for. For like mainstream music. Yeah, that's kind of like the ultimate recipe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you could be like. You could be Green Day, who has got six guys on stage now.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

But they're a three piece man.

[B]

And then five. For our kind of music, a standalone singer is just so paramount. So paramount and needed. And it sucks watching good bands who don't have a standalone singer because you can tell there's a missing element. You know what I mean?

[A]

Agree.

[B]

And some, you know, nails got away with it. You know what I mean? Like Nails. Nails did it because they got the.

[A]

They got the swag and the tunes and the.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

You know, they were rocking the hard. Yeah, if they weren't rocking hard, it wouldn't work.

[B]

Totally agree.

[A]

And if the songs weren't so good, it wouldn't work. Would you ever do a hauntler where you both spend the night somewhere haunted? Absolutely, 100%.

[B]

That sounds so fun.

[A]

If any haunted places want us to do that, just hit us up.

[B]

Straight up. We'll do Fear. We'll do mtv.

[A]

I'm there, dude.

[B]

I'll have a chess cam. I'll be running around scaring the shit out of Colin.

[A]

I would love that. Pentagram Panic asks, how do you feel about the tie down and Rumble lineups? Fantastic.

[B]

They've done it.

[A]

Greatest rumble lineup ever.

[B]

Easily.

[A]

And the tie down. Having blood for blood. Carry on.

[B]

The pre show is youth of today at the print shop.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

What is happening? How do they do it?

[A]

Martin Scorsese is the absolute cinema.

[B]

I want to talk about the Rumble quickly. This year, headlining is hate breed. One day. 100 demons, one day. Go look at the full lineup. It's fantastic.

[A]

They did it.

[B]

But. But pulling in these two to headline, I think is particularly impressive and so cool. I'm so happy and proud of them, of that whole team for doing that. You guys gotta come to the Rumble. Come to the Rumble. Come, come.

[A]

Yeah, I'll be there. Can't wait.

[B]

It's fantastic.

[A]

I can't wait for people to hear this Hunter Demons record. Tell you what, Alex asked. Y' all got any games on your phone?

[B]

I do, yeah. I got Slay the Spire on my phone, which is one of.

[A]

Oh, the second one just came out.

[B]

Did it? Oh, yeah. Games are coming, dude. There's a game that comes out tomorrow called 1348. It's like a medieval game. And then fucking Crimson Desert comes out in a week.

[A]

Oh, I want that.

[B]

I'm gonna be having that.

[A]

I've been playing magic on the phone a little bit. Oh, I've been dabbling. It's.

[B]

You've always kind of dabbled, though.

[A]

Yeah, I've always dabbled with the like, phone version arena and the idea of building a deck is just so daunting

[B]

to me every time, dude. And it's the same with like, the Gwent game and Hearthstone, where it's like, all right, now you can build your own.

[A]

It's like, I see Gwent is different. I never. I never. I had no hesitation there. It was like Oh, I fully understand what I need.

[B]

I mean, the bullshit Gwen game. Oh, the phone game. Not the. The actual in game.

[A]

Not the real.

[B]

But not the real.

[A]

Which is the greatest. Which is a better card game than magic.

[B]

Makes me want to play the game. Just to play the game.

[A]

I agree. Cody Allen asks favorite Halloween movie and favorite Scream movie. Okay, thoughts on Scream 7 if y' all have seen it. Abysmal dog shit. My favorite Scream movie is two or four.

[B]

You know what I really like about two is what. What was the name of the movie in the movie? Stab.

[A]

Stab.

[B]

I love that the. The one's story becomes a can in canon movie. Like, that was just a cool layer.

[A]

And then in four, they parody how many sequels there are and what a ridiculous fucking thing it is. And the whole intro is like, stab seven, Stab eight.

[B]

I see.

[A]

And now the franchise has become what it is. Parried, parodied in screen.

[B]

Its own hubris.

[A]

Favorite Halloween movie is Halloween 2.

[B]

Nice. Brutal. When he drowns the chick in the boiling water. Oh, my God.

[A]

Halloween one is like.

[B]

It's proto, dude. It's.

[A]

It's almost too comforting for me to be scared, you know?

[B]

It's like Hellhammer before Celtic.

[A]

It is. It is. What an unbelievable analogy.

[B]

Yeah. It's like. It's all there. It's all there, but it wasn't just as refined yet.

[A]

And two is fucking.

[B]

Two's great.

[A]

And it was like a year later. It's insane.

[B]

Is it true that the new Scream had, like, AI shit in it?

[A]

Oh, it's like, about AI.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I think they. I've seen something about, like, they used AI to write this, but I would believe that they used AI to write the AI parts as like, a bit, maybe, which.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Either way, it is the by far the worst screen movie. The dumbest reveal I've ever seen.

[B]

Great.

[A]

I don't understand. While you're watching it, you're like, I don't know what the fuck she's talking this. This person's talking about. Minor spoiler in there, but I. No good, man.

[B]

I love Scream 1. That I remember. I remember watching it for the first time, renting it from Blockbuster, and being horrified at how Drew Barrymore dies, like, right away. Just being like, oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, that's all time great. Matty Solberg asked, y' all rocking with the big arch?

[B]

Haven't tried it.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

Is it now?

[A]

What? There's a weird. There's a sauce on there. I don't know if you'll like that. It's not a Big Mac sauce.

[B]

I know.

[A]

It's like a tangy.

[B]

It's mayo based. I looked it up.

[A]

It's really good. The cheese is delicious.

[B]

Is it?

[A]

The burger's huge.

[B]

Yeah. Is it bigger than a Big Mac? Wow.

[A]

When you're pulling it out, you're like, oh, my God. It feels like a Mondo Burger.

[B]

You know, I haven't tried it yet. You know what I had last night, Colin? That just hit like the dickens?

[A]

Tell me.

[B]

Just some Wingstop.

[A]

Every time.

[B]

Every time. The new Korean barbecue is fucking awesome.

[A]

Spicy Korean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, it's one of my favorite.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

It's probably my second favorite. That and something about my Wingstop now, dude, they know it delivers to me in like 20 minutes. Why would I leave when I can pay somebody top dollar, you know? And it's fresh as can be.

[B]

It was like torrential downpouring in Chicago last night, and I had to. My whole street flooded. I had to like, wade out to get my Wingstop. Not good.

[A]

I like when they're like, it's raining. Please tip your drivers.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

That's when I'm like 40% straight up hit the max button.

[B]

In those times, I believe that doordash and postmates and grubhub delivery drivers of any should be making fucking 40 bucks an hour.

[A]

100%.

[B]

Because it's. It's. It's such an insane thing that they do.

[A]

Especially when like, Waymo is taking one of the soul gig economy things left.

[B]

And now this cocoa bullshit.

[A]

What is that?

[B]

The. The little robots.

[A]

Oh. I mean, they're. They need to be set fire set ablaze.

[B]

Yeah, they're. They're here now.

[A]

Set them ablaze. Dude.

[B]

They're in Chicago now. It's crazy.

[A]

They're all scum. It's bad come of the earth, not good. I never thought I would hate R2D2, dude.

[B]

You know, it makes me. Because they put, you know, they put eyes on the front of these. Humanize them so that you do feel sympathy, which is so fucked up.

[A]

I feel nothing. AJ asked, talk to us about Hellfest West. What. What a crazy thing, dude. It was. It was the such much a much younger demographic than I imagined.

[B]

Seemed that way.

[A]

The kids love metalcore.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It was crazy, and it was really cool. Like, I mean, sky Came Falling had a line out the fucking door for Merchant, you know?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And it's. It's. It's such an interesting time. It is music right now.

[B]

It is the probably the last form of this subgenre that I would have expected to catch at this time. Truly. I wouldn't have thought that this would be the one.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, dude, they said favorite sets legitimately. I think the. The best set I saw all day, like, reaction wise, performance wise, was Shattered Realm, which is insane.

[B]

Like, that's. That's crazy. And I say that respectfully. Saw them 20 years ago.

[A]

I've seen them a billion times, you know, And I. It. I've never seen it like that in California.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

It was insane.

[B]

It's fucking awesome.

[A]

Our set was. Was fun. We definitely did. We. So we played Intro I against I. Yeah. By the Bad Brains, which I haven't

[B]

seen a video of. And I'm very upset.

[A]

Maybe it'll happen. I don't know. I don't know that anybody was recording it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was definitely kind of like, okay, we're on this show of things that we don't sound like, which is not abnormal for us.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

But in this case, it was very much one thing. And then us. So it was like, all right, we'll give them a little something different. It was. It was a. It was a fun, confrontational move, you know?

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

It was a litmus test to like, okay, what do you. Yeah, who knows this?

[B]

Who knows this? Yeah, totally.

[A]

Drew Pizza Dog asks Colin, when was the last time you didn't play Sound and Fury, man? What a great question.

[B]

2023. No, I played the first one that we did. You didn't play God's hate play.

[A]

2023 was switching tongues, and God's Hate was just switching tongues. 2025 was just God's Hate.

[B]

Yeah, I think we did. Did we do 2022?

[A]

Mm.

[B]

You played. Okay. Okay. I don't remember you playing, Truly, because we did fucking 14 minis.

[A]

Maybe 2012. But I did play pre.

[B]

Sure, we played 2012, which is funny.

[A]

You did Disgrace play too. It was awesome. They covered the video. Moises Tirado asks damage Inc Or Dyer's Eve?

[B]

Damage Inc. I don't.

[A]

I love diaries.

[B]

I do too, dude. But there's some of the songs on justice, like, annoy me. They just annoy me.

[A]

I don't feel that way, dude. I think if the production was different, the record would be borderline. As lauded as. As puppets.

[B]

By their own self admission, they did stuff to be progressive, like Prague, and to be big and majestic and like, they thought it was too much. And I just. I hear that in it. I hate fucking. What is the second song On Injustice, Like, once the verse comes into. Great. But that's the one with like, it's got like nine time signatures or some they like brag about. It's just like stuff that's just like. All right, well, isn't that the title track? Is that Injustice for all? Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think you're right. Yeah. So it just. Songs like that, I don't really. But Damaging. Can't get a. Oh, yeah.

[A]

That's insane.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

I'm with you. I'm with you.

[B]

Pumped.

[A]

John Boyga asked, what is your best pool move? Swimming and or billiards? Great question, Great question. And let me tell you, I'm. I'm a. I'm a bit of a dining, diving board, like, legend. I can. I can do some. I can pull off some shit that would make you think I'm much more flippant than I look.

[B]

Can you do a backflip?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Can you do a gainer?

[A]

Can't I. I've never tried. I'm too scared.

[B]

So scary.

[A]

But I used to do this thing at our. At the old pit where I would jump from the ledge to the diving board and do like this kind of like Red dragon corkscrew type thing.

[B]

Oh, sick.

[A]

That was my signature move.

[B]

I'm a big flip guy. I just. Just a front flip. But I'm not afraid to throw a flip in there. That's fun.

[A]

No, a front flip is. I may as well be walking.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. It feels very natural.

[A]

I feel nothing.

[B]

Back in the day on a swing set. Would you ever do the like back flip off of the swing seat? Do you know what I'm talking about?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. That's cool.

[A]

And then the thing comes back and hits you every time. Billiards, I'm a. I'm a legit pro game pigeon, eight ball player.

[B]

So I'm pretty good at real pool. I had. I had a lot of friends and a couple girlfriends in high school who had full size pool tables.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

We would just play just passively all the time. And I figured out all the geometry and stuff. It's all there. So I'm pretty. That's the thing that James and I on tour will play pool fairly often.

[A]

I love to play you. I'd love to.

[B]

That would be really fun. We should do that.

[A]

We should. You'd absolutely destroy me.

[B]

We should do like two out of three. Like pool, darts, air hockey. Air hockey kind of game.

[A]

Dude, darts is hard.

[B]

Hard as fuck.

[A]

The actual scoring is insane.

[B]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

It's where you have to land on the. A combination of the same number.

[B]

Yeah, it's crazier than, like, bowling, which has crazy scoring. Casey. So our bass player is very good at darts. Growing up in just rural Wisconsin. What are you going to do?

[A]

What is your Waffle House order?

[B]

We have two very different orders. I get the All Star, and I go. I asked for the waffle to come later. I get scrambled eggs. Just because I find scrambled eggs the most reliable. They're not gonna fuck that up. And I usually add two more eggs. I get bacon, hash brown, smothered and covered and diced, which is onions, cheese, and something else. And then I just get white toast.

[A]

Oh, cool.

[B]

And then I get my waffle later. And if I'm feeling particularly fat, I get pecan. I get pecans, peanut butter chips, and chocolate chips.

[A]

Yeah, that's insane.

[B]

Just respect.

[A]

Mine is the steak and eggs. And then I'll also get a double. I'll get a double hash brown. Chopped. I think it's chopped, smothered and covered.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's what I get. Chopped, Smothered.

[A]

Smothered. Which one is chili, shitted or smothered?

[B]

I think that's smothered.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I get mine hella smothered. I get mine shitted. Smothered, covered. Covered and diced.

[B]

Getting a steak from Waffle House.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

It's more diabolical than Zuma's love for Denny's.

[A]

No, it's not. Why do you consider melodic hardcore the dark ages again?

[B]

It's not the notes necessarily. It is the time we lived through. Yes. Or when there's two guys, one of whom doesn't spin kick, but, like, spin kicks music, and the other one who loves to spin kick, you're not.

[A]

It's just I was playing in a band that sounded like Marauder and Hate Breed, and it was like, hey, this is what I like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And then we would play shows and it would be like, no, we want to hear Killing the Dream, which is, you know, fine. Respect. It was just. It was. It was just the. It was. I was not.

[B]

It did.

[A]

Wasn't what I liked. That's why it was the Dark Age. It's not what we're attracted to musically in this genre.

[B]

Genre.

[A]

And it was all that you got for a while.

[B]

Imagine, listener, you're doing music, whatever you like to do, and then at that time, your least favorite form of music happened to be popular. I don't know. Put it. Put yourself in those shoes and it's just. It was just the way that it was. It doesn't. It doesn't take away from anyone else's enjoyment of this thing. We just didn't particularly care for it.

[A]

How come you never ask, who do you do anymore? We forget.

[B]

We forget. I had someone else ask us recently that we didn't ask. Jeremy. Yeah, we straight up forget. We just forget. But it isn't intentional because it's a great question.

[A]

No, no, That's a great question. I love that question. What series are you currently watching? Any recommendations?

[B]

You want anything?

[A]

Oh, the Pit, dude.

[B]

What's it about?

[A]

I'm all in. It is a. It's a medical drama.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That. Where every episode is an hour, like, 24.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Where it's all one. Like, a single shift at the trauma center of a hospital in Pittsburgh.

[B]

The Pit.

[A]

And at first I was like, this is trash. It's network tv. It's just network TV on hbo.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you're like, thank God this is network TV on hbo. It's unbelievable. It gives you that network TV feeling, like SVU or something, where you're like, okay, next. More, more, more.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Wow. And unfortunately, it's on season two, and I'm having to wait every week and not SVU with 30 seasons, it's ready to go.

[B]

I'm not. I can't. I just don't sit down and watch television. Unfortunately, I have been watching more wrestling lately than ever.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

I've been enjoying.

[A]

Good stuff happening, dude.

[B]

So we were at Elimination Chamber in Chicago, saw the friend of the show, Dan Housen's debut. Unbelievable. Fantastic.

[A]

He's crushing.

[B]

He's crushing. It took one. It took two days.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And people were saying, you are cursed with him.

[A]

And it's. It's crazy. He's absolutely. He's. They're doing his presentation very well. Also, our main man Brody King is at the top of the game right now.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

Single star.

[B]

Him versus Swerve at. Is it Revolutions coming up in la? Come on.

[A]

Or. It was. It was just this past Sunday.

[B]

It was amazing. Yeah, it was fantastic. I can't believe that finished. And then fucking punk came out to the Bulls. To the Alan Parsons Project Bulls intro, which is the first time that has been played in that arena since the 90s. Bull.

[A]

Is that true?

[B]

Yes. They had to pay out the butt for. I heard. And I mean, it started. And I literally, like, the last time, dude, the gooseiest bumps. The last time we were. I was sitting where I was sitting, and I heard that music played I watched Jordan play. Saw him lose at home in the 72. 10 season, which is insane. But I was there. Yeah. But I was there my 10th birthday. Yeah. So that was. That was really, really fun. You know what's weird about that? Pay per view. I don't know if you watched the whole thing or not.

[A]

I did not know.

[B]

Talking. No one talked.

[A]

Zero promo.

[B]

Zero promo.

[A]

There was on the telecast, too.

[B]

There was some things on the telecast, like. Of, like the backstage of, like, are we gonna open this box? And then like, vignettes of, like last week, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No promos at all.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

It was interesting, but it was really fun.

[A]

When you're there live, feels weird.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Almost unimmersive. Feels like a live event.

[B]

Almost. Yeah.

[A]

Master killer of hardcore sub genres. Amazing core rolling the floor. Core jazz, master core. Those are the best ones. Any others? No, no. What movie should be remade starring the Muppets, featuring one human cast member. Now you're talking.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

John Carpenter's the thing.

[B]

What's. What would be hilarious is if it was Kurt Russell. Anyway. Yeah. And he's like, I can't be the thing. I'm human.

[A]

Yeah, but it's all like, oh, gee, I don't know. They're curt.

[B]

Yeah. It's just. It's just Muppets freaking out animals.

[A]

The first thing. No, he's not infected. But he's just insane.

[B]

He's just crazy.

[A]

I guess it would be like, raw for something. Would be the dog infected in the beginning.

[B]

That's pretty good. I'm not. I'm not going to lie to you. That's kind of genius.

[A]

I would pay. I would invest. I would invest personally in that.

[B]

Wow. How about the Lord of the Rings trilogy?

[A]

That's so much.

[B]

But the one human is like someone. It's like Grima Wormtongue. It's like someone not.

[A]

Or like Sam.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's like, that'd be good.

[B]

I can just carry you. This is easy.

[A]

No, Gee, Sam, don't worry about it. Frogo. Yeah, there you go.

[B]

Froggo wouldn't have gotten far without his Sam.

[A]

If you could summon a hardcore vocalist voice, who would you choose?

[B]

I mean, truly, Jorge's voice is crazy. The Josta Perseverance voice that he can still summon is crazy.

[A]

I think if I could just do Human Furnace on the drop of a dime.

[B]

Dude. It's to the point now where he sounds like. Like a. Like a synthesizer, fully distorted. Just square, square wave, you know, Just

[A]

like so loud and so consistent and just perfect.

[B]

You know, who also still Sounds crazy. Is John Brannon.

[A]

I mean, the same? That's the same. It's like he's. They're the same.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes. And it's crazy.

[A]

He. You know what I've recently discovered you can just do is cup the mic and it's hilarious. It's so fun.

[B]

I mean, on the first few Harm's Way records, James insisted on doing it and he would. One of them. He sang into a 58 or 57. And finally Andy was like, hey, I could just like. But James was so used to it. It's like muscle memory, you know? And I think it was.

[A]

It's so fun, dude. I've never done it until. Until. Until we were practicing for Hell Fest and then when we did the two words part. It's just two words.

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

Yeah, I had a great time. I'm loving cupping the mic. Nick from Connecticut asked if you had to put a super group together, but you couldn't make hardcore or punk music. Who are you picking and what genre are you making?

[B]

Couldn't make hardcore or punk music.

[A]

Give me Johnny Martin. Give me who's a go to bass player. Oh, give me Matt Freeman. Who do I want on drums? Give me. I'm honestly. Give me Dave Lombardo.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then give me who's a shredder. Who's another big time shredder.

[B]

I could pick like metal or anything.

[A]

Give me. And then give me fucking John Mayer.

[B]

I was good to see John Mayer. That's. And then.

[A]

And then we'll do some straight up, just like nice 80s rock.

[B]

Yeah. You know, that's good. I don't know about Lombardo. He could do it. Obviously.

[A]

He would smoke it, dude.

[B]

He'd smoke it.

[A]

He's the best.

[B]

He's the best. I would actually be very interested to hear him play.

[A]

Like, that's what I'm saying. And like, you think he couldn't do that all day? Dude, give me Lombardo. I just want to hang out with Lombardo.

[B]

You ever see Foo Fighters play rock and roll with Taylor singing and Dave on drums?

[A]

No. Is it awesome?

[B]

It's awesome.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's great.

[A]

So Dave. You'd get Dave under.

[B]

I think Dave.

[A]

I mean, that would be a great pick. I don't know if I could afford him after all.

[B]

That's true. Lombardo. He might be able to get Lombardo.

[A]

I think I can make it. I can make it work. Dave don't have time. Lombardo is relatively free.

[B]

You ever see that clip of Dave where he's talking to Pharrell. And he says that all the Nirvana films and stuff were just disco and funk. How cool is that?

[A]

I mean, you totally hear it too.

[B]

Once. Once I saw that clip, it was like, oh, yeah, it's awesome.

[A]

Is Ratatouille the master killer of animated movies? I would say yes, it is. It's. It was underrated at the time. It is an absolute technical masterpiece in every way. It is highly lauded now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And people reference it in their. In their work now.

[B]

I won't argue with you. I just. No, but I want. Because I do. Because my only like. Well, what about. Doesn't have the story. The Ratatouille does. I just watched the Super Mario movie.

[A]

Oh, it's incredible.

[B]

It's so fully enjoyable and lovely.

[A]

I could not agree more. You can't wait for the second.

[B]

I can't wait for the second one. It just doesn't particularly have like, this. The story.

[A]

Oh, it's. It's. I mean, as good as it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A shell of Ratatouille, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A blue shell of Ratatou. Favorite roguelike game.

[B]

Dude, these are my games. I love these kinds of games. So I've talked about Slay the Spire, which is a card based roguelike game. So it's really weird. Love vampire survivors. It's fucking awesome. I can't stop.

[A]

You know, I think the most effective roguelike, Hades is incredible. Oh, but I do. Returnal is truly was one of the first, like early PS5 games. So I was very immersed because I had nothing else to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like finishing it. I immediately played it again.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I got so good at it that doing runs was so satisfying and rewarding in a way that no other roguelike made. I didn't feel that skilled in any others. So I would say Returnal.

[B]

A lot of them, like Hades and like Slay the Spire depend on kind of like just luck of the look of the drops, you know, look of the gods that you get when you get that winning combination. It feels so good.

[A]

It's incredible. Nick asks, do you guys fuck with charcuterie? I hella fuck with a nice charcuterie board. And if so, what's the go to? Let me tell you what, Nick. You give me a big ass chunk of brie. Cheese Brie, a fun little knife, some prosciutto or some fucking salami. Gamagul. Gamagul and a cracker.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll sit there all day.

[B]

I like a sharp cheddar. I love either like a club cracker or just Ritz. Yeah, I love apple. A green apple.

[A]

Really? Apple slice. I don't need any of that fruit on there. I get. I get it. I mean, when the pickle's on there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We do the pickle between the cheese.

[B]

Yeah. Taylor and I will do, like, a whipped ricotta with honey, like, all that kind of stuff. I love that. And I do. I like capicola and what's the prosciutto? I like it. But I prefer, like, salami. Like a supersat.

[A]

Yeah, I love it. I love it. Super sauce.

[B]

Some spice on there.

[A]

Yeah. Colin, now that you've been a universal monster, which is true. I'm a universal monster.

[B]

Is that true?

[A]

Yeah, it's a Universal movie. I'm literally a universal monster.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

It is what it is. Now that you've been a universal monster, what other universal monsters would you be? And Bo, which universal monster would you be? I know.

[B]

You'd be the Wolf man number one Fruit Brute cereal. Fucking Wolfman number one.

[A]

I mean, Frankenstein is now. He's gotta go away for a while.

[B]

Yeah. What do you think of this new movie, the Bride. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I will see it. I love Jesse Buckley and I love Christian Bale.

[B]

Yeah. Is it a musical?

[A]

No.

[B]

You sure?

[A]

It's just, like a very unique interpretation of the story. I'm not Frankenstein. You picked Wolfman. I've already been a vampire.

[B]

Where we got what's left?

[A]

Oh, no, dude. The Phantom.

[B]

Yeah, Phantom.

[A]

That's the Phantom. People have been the Phantom the whole time.

[B]

What's funny is I don't think, like, me peripherally. Didn't think of the Phantom as being a monster in that world. And then we did the fucking Universal ride.

[A]

He fully is.

[B]

And he's right there.

[A]

Right there.

[B]

You got the creature, the Mummy, Invisible man, creature, Sick dude.

[A]

Done. Yeah. We've heard you and Beau talk about ill blood and stuff to survive many times in the pod. What are both of your thoughts on Torture Culture? I did the Torture Culture tour.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

It was the 2017 Life and Death tour. Great record, Jordan. You still got it, bud.

[B]

It's a thing we talk about where kind of. They kind of made Suffer Survive non canon.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And then continue, you know what I mean? Kind of like. I know they still play one or two songs, but it's a really difficult thing to follow up either of those records and to come back after a while, you know? And I think they did it very impressively. Well.

[A]

Favorite album from the year you were born. Great question.

[B]

Little record called Master of Puppets.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

There you go. Kind of my favorite record of all time.

[A]

So mine would be Slow, Deep and hard.

[B]

Damn. On your birthday, right?

[A]

No, that was World coming.

[B]

That's world Coming down. Sorry. So sorry. Yeah, it's right there.

[A]

If one was to move to California, what city is the best overall for cost? Food, music, sports, entertainment, etc. Went to LA for over a decade a week ago. Well, I mean, cost cannot be.

[B]

Well, this is going to be interesting because you can, we can both give two different perspectives.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I would say there's parts of the Valley that you could move to and, and it's more affordable than other places in la. And then you're a half hour from everything.

[B]

I would say the Valley is the kind of the only option. Unless you're fucking balling. Like, if you're making good money, yeah, sure, you can kind of live whatever. But.

[A]

Yeah, but even if you're making good money, you can't live in a lot of parts of the Valley.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. As far as food goes, it doesn't matter because let me tell you something. Los Angeles county has in spades is food, My God, anywhere. We haven't talked about this column, but one of my favorite things that happens ever when we're hanging out is when you're like, what should we eat? Or I say what you eat and you say to me, what do you feel like? And I give you genres and you go. You flip through your Rolodex in your brain and you go, oh, dude. And then you pull out your phone. That's what I know I'm into, you know.

[A]

Yeah, I think last time was Sunday gravy, which we saw of. Of crazy assault happen last time. But the food is great.

[B]

Food was great also. It was ace Gogi.

[A]

Don't get me started on dude.

[B]

Well, it's.

[A]

I may have to go today.

[B]

It's funny to talk about Colin and I. Colin and I were going to work out at a gym where he has private access to, but he had forgotten his key.

[A]

Forgot my key.

[B]

So we got dropped off via Uber

[A]

Alive Fitness on Van Nuys Boulevard. Check it out. Jason Cohen, great, great guy. The owner's awesome.

[B]

Great gym.

[A]

I honestly don't want the spot blown up. Yeah, and it's expensive, but if they make it 24 hour access and you

[B]

get a key, they make it an hour and a half in, you know. Yeah, great gym. It's got everything you need. But we couldn't work out because we couldn't get in. So then we did the opposite of working out and we just went to

[A]

ourselves and ate about 300 grams of protein. If you were tasked with destroying the one Ring who's in your Fellowship, let's go. I think we are. So if we're. Are we Frodo and Sam?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Okay. Obviously, I think who's who. I mean, there's a little bit of both of them in both of them.

[B]

There really is. There truly is. That's interesting.

[A]

I think you're more of a Sam.

[B]

You think so? Yeah. You're going off to the Undying Lands.

[A]

You know, I always do.

[B]

Okay, I'll take it. There's no wrong answer, you know.

[A]

Yeah. No. Pippin would be Mac, Miller. Mary would be. He's kind of level headed, but still a goof.

[B]

Yeah, they both are. Yeah, but Pip is.

[A]

Come on. Pippa's a Mac.

[B]

Mary and Pippen should just be Brittany and Mac, actually.

[A]

That's good. I like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I like that.

[B]

Okay, so there's the hobbits.

[A]

I'm not bringing my wife because I know she doesn't want to go.

[B]

No, she's Rosie. She's back at home.

[A]

Exactly. She's waiting. Legolas.

[B]

I love this question, by the way.

[A]

Yeah, this is good. Legolas I think would be, you know, a real sharpshooter. That's an Alec Faber.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

Boromir is Taylor Young, but I don't

[B]

want him to die. Who's Eragon then? Because I was thinking he was Eragon.

[A]

The. Who, like, who is the most noble warrior to.

[B]

Oh, dude. Excuse me. Brody. Fucking King Brody. King Brody. King is Aragon.

[A]

He's not Gimli.

[B]

He's not Gimli because Brody is truly like clever. Clever like a fox.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not that Gimli isn't, but. But Gimli just has a different way of problem solving.

[A]

That's true. That's true. So Gimli would be.

[B]

We need Gimli and Gandalf still.

[A]

Gandalf?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Dude. Who's the sagest, wisest guy?

[B]

Martin.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Easy, John.

[B]

It's Martin for sure.

[A]

And then I think Gimli would be, you know. And obviously stature not considered here, but somebody like a Dan Seeley.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

That's a great Fellowship.

[B]

That's a great Fellowship.

[A]

I feel good about that.

[B]

We're getting that ringing.

[A]

We're getting it.

[B]

We're going. Wow.

[A]

All right. We're on our way.

[B]

Damn. That was a great question.

[A]

That was awesome. Yeah. Mr. President asks, looking to buy some stuff from Guilty Party. And that world of fashion for the first time. Any recommendations for jeans or must have items? Yes, absolutely. Any full count pair, like whatever type of jeans you like. Straight, wide.

[B]

Yeah, relax.

[A]

Tapered.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Full count is like the. The pinnacle of quality to me.

[B]

I also highly recommend the Studio D Artazion D Artisan Studio D is what they call it, the 1950s pair. They're pretty light washed if that. If you can pull that off. They are just about the coziest, comfiest things I've ever worn.

[A]

And make sure you use code. Hard Lore Yeeta said there's already been some serious heat this year. What Hard lore guest of 2026 so far has left you both feeling the most inspired. I can tell you right off the bat. The thing that the single thing that somebody has said that has been like, yeah, is the Randy better is better thing.

[B]

Oh, my God. I've thought about it multiple times.

[A]

It applies to everything.

[B]

It applies to everything in your entire life.

[A]

So that. That is the 100% undisputed.

[B]

It's like a Socratic perfect thing to go by.

[A]

Like, I'm not gonna argue with anybody. Better is better. You know, if this thing is better, it's like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna leave all emotions behind. It is what it is. Luke asked what are each of your both last two to three YouTube videos. Watch. Watched.

[B]

Should we pull it up?

[A]

The answer is Vegas map for me.

[B]

Let me just check mine. Sorry, Steve.

[A]

Mine are. Mine would be today's. Yesterday's. I haven't watched today's yet because it came out while we've been recording. But I'm a Vegas matt fiend. I watch every single day.

[B]

Let's see. Okay, my last one in the last three was Kevin Nash on the debut of Danhausen. He says amazingly kind things.

[A]

Fuck yeah.

[B]

It's pretty cool. Why? Chicago is the opposite of every city on the planet. My algorithm knows me very well.

[A]

They know you very well.

[B]

And then two of the burnt peanut. I was probably falling asleep to it.

[A]

And then surely there's some real or some YouTube short in there of the guys. Like, how many bullets would it. Or how many. How many jars of pennies could stop a bullet, you know?

[B]

Finally we got the 50 cal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Every time. Last night at the Angel Dust show, Justice proclaimed that Brandon from Big Boy is the coolest frontman in hardcore right now. Is this statement true? Here's something I need you to understand about Justice. While I don't disagree, I think Brandon's an unbelievable frontman. I've heard him say this about Every band he's ever toured with, his signature move is Big Boy's coolest man in the world. Brandon's coolest frontman in the world. So. And if he's saying that it means you're awesome. That is a fact.

[B]

But let me tell you, tell you something else. The actual answer to that is Justice.

[A]

Yeah, that is.

[B]

He is the coolest guy in the world. I went to that show the other night when it was in Chicago.

[A]

Dude, how about Angel Dust right now?

[B]

It's. It's incredible. And I'm so happy for them because

[A]

they did it, man.

[B]

They did. Feels like the lineup is locked in. New drummer guy is awesome.

[A]

Maniac dude. Shredder.

[B]

I. I don't know him personally or anything. I'm not unfamiliar with his name or whatever, but he's fantastic. The new songs, you know what's really nice? I've saw, I've seen this both on the Angel Dust, Spotify and the converged Spotify.

[A]

Top of the charts.

[B]

Top of the charts. The new record is top 10 songs. Yeah. That's the dream. That's the one of the best indicators that like, hey, you got something? Some people are listening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And justice was wearing this like crazy button up motorcycle, leather jacket, shades. Coolest. Just the coolest looking guy.

[A]

Thoughts on the Hayley Williams album that came out last August. Fantastic. I think the rollout was so cool with all the singles and the, the, the label being post Atlantic is really clever. I think it's like a giant fuck you to music and all things. And she's the coolest.

[B]

Yeah. She could kind of do no wrong. In our, in our book, who are

[A]

your top four favorite visual artists in terms of like album art? Posters, shirt designs, paintings. Sean Taggart.

[B]

Yeah. I just got a Combat Records. Cause for alarm. Yep.

[A]

Dan Seagrave. Disgrace Suffocation. Frazetta, One of the greats. And Right. Mark Nava, probably that thing, you know, fucking. Oh, and fucking Pettibone. Dude.

[B]

Dude. So it was good. I was gonna say. Yeah. Pettibone pus head. Listen, obviously you've. You've maybe seen iterations and you're like, okay, I get it. But Bannon come.

[A]

Yeah. Defined a generation.

[B]

Exactly. And it's undeniable. And then. Yeah, probably Taggart.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cool. Weird, scary.

[A]

This is a great question, genuine question. As musicians, how do you afford some of the nicer gear you use? Obviously I know saving and not what not, but like, are people putting the new Dunnable 7 strings on credit cards? 100%. Let me tell you something. Listen, we've Said this before. Hard Lore is powered by a firm.

[B]

We owe millions.

[A]

We pay in four. Any chance we get.

[B]

Or eight or 36 or whatever is no interest. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Who cares?

[A]

You torpedo your credit for that piece of gear. That's what we do.

[B]

I also like when I have a milestone. So, like, for my 30th birthday, I got myself a 88 Les Paul Standard because I was like, I want one, and I'm 30, and this is gonna. I'm gonna treat myself. And that's exactly what I did. I. I think I affirmed it, but I put some money down to make sure there was no interest.

[A]

Easy money will mean nothing in the apocalypse. You'll be glad you have a guitar, though.

[B]

That's really true. I could barter it.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

For clean water.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And canned food.

[A]

Is there a particular release you guys are looking forward to this year? Music, movie, game, Food item, Trips Con. New record.

[B]

Was food item the last thing in there?

[A]

Yeah. That's also the creme brulee crunch wrap from Taco Bell. What games? Oh, Crimson Desert.

[B]

I. Crimson does.

[A]

So curious about.

[B]

I'm. Yeah, I'm just curious. I just want to get it and play it and be like, this rocks or this is crap.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's confusing. It was. It was. It's made by the same people who make Black Desert Online, which is a massively multiplayer game. And, like, there's so much. It's so overwhelming that I hope it's not like that, because I don't care, but I just hope it was.

[A]

It was first designed to be multiplayer, but then they.

[B]

And then they pivoted, so I think that'll be good. What movies coming out? Oh, Mario. Yeah, probably.

[A]

And then I think Zach Kregger's Resident Evil is this year. Oh, thank for that.

[B]

Are any of the Resident Evil movies? No, they're all bad. Horrible.

[A]

Terrific.

[B]

Mila. She couldn't do it.

[A]

It's just like that. Why? They didn't do it. They didn't do this. It makes no sense.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Stupid. Mr. Chetta asked youth crew son or beat down daughter? I think I would rather have a youth crew son and a thought daughter than beat down daughter.

[B]

I'm gonna say youth crew son for sure.

[A]

If you could use a wrestling finisher in a real fight, which would you choose? Burning Hammer.

[B]

It's his answer. Every time.

[A]

You're fucking dead. It's the best move ever. Or Crippler Crossface.

[B]

Yeah, dude. What would be the funniest? Like, just the most ridiculous One is like a moonsault. Yeah. A fucking, like, razor's edge in a real fight.

[A]

Just a guy being like, no,

[B]

A stunner. Just nothing.

[A]

Yeah, that would be. That would hurt you.

[B]

Yeah, it would hurt so bad.

[A]

It would hurt your ass so bad. Oh, that's a great question. How do you guys take time off from your job on tour? Do you just ask your employer? Yeah, every time I ever did that, I had to quit the job to go on tour, pretty much. And then it was different because it was complicated because it was a tv. It was Big Brother, the TV show, generally. So next season would come around, I'd be like, I promise I won't do that again. Can I have a job again? And then I did it again every time.

[B]

So for a lot of our really busiest touring, I worked a desk job for H and M at a call center in Chicago. I worked there for eight years. I eventually had to quit to do Warped Tour. But basically, I'm a. I'm a personable guy. I can turn on the. The office charm when needed, you know, And I would just kind of buddy. Buddy up with, like, everybody who could approve time off requests, like, truly. And it was like, I wouldn't, you know, wasn't teacher's pet, kind of like scumbag, But I would definitely, like, volunteer my time. Volunteer. Like, hey, I'll cover any. I'll cover New Year's. I don't drink. I don't care. Like, I'm not gonna go out and party. Everybody can. I'll be here kind of a thing. Like, I would do whatever I could to kind of make the team. Be like, yeah. And, dude, I'll never forget one time I. I took, like, six weeks off. Six weeks. I think we had two to three weeks paid because it was, like, a real job. So I. I had, like, three weeks unpaid off. And I mentioned it and a way up supervisor looked at my supervisor and was like, six weeks. And he just went, yep. And I kind of got lucky. But then Warped Tour was the. Like, hey, this. It's too long and it's not fair. So I had to call it. And then after that, I worked a series of just the most miserable bullshit.

[A]

Yeah. And we're. We're just quitting every time.

[B]

Every time we get home.

[A]

And that's. That is the. That is the sacrifice.

[B]

Those are kind of the two options you. You have is you. You find a job where you can make it work, or you just. You're doing bullshit.

[A]

You're in between things. That's why I see a lot of people get home from tours and they post like, need work. Looking for work.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So, yeah. Favorite non New York City, New York hardcore bands all at war.

[B]

Earth Crisis, no warning 0 New York City. I see. I miss Understood, no Warning, Zero Tolerance and Buried Alive and Chrome Suckers. Earth Crisis, Buried alive, Chrome Sucker. Where are Crumb suckers from?

[A]

Long Island?

[B]

No, I thought they were from the city. They feel like they're from the dirty city, you know?

[A]

I know.

[B]

Sucking Crumbs and then probably stigmata.

[A]

Dying breed. Yeah, let's see. There's.

[B]

There's a lot.

[A]

Dude, this is a whole episode.

[B]

So I was thinking about it when I posted the records I got yesterday and I got Destroy the Machines and Cause for Alarm and I was just kind of like, these are both New York fans. This is crazy. And then it got me thinking, like,

[A]

there's a lot of New York is big and it's. There's 50 scenes.

[B]

It's crazy.

[A]

Last question. What is the line between pleasant conversation amongst admirer admiree and punishing? I think interrupting something is the line, wow, great. You know, everything else, like, is respectful and cool and I think for the most, 99.9% of people are so pleasant to talk to. It means so much. Anybody with kind words. It means so much. It's so nice inner outright interrupting something is when it's like.

[B]

And that's kind of the thing is like, that could be anything from a conversation that's already going on to like loading gear or grabbing merch or just being in the middle of something and it's like, yeah, sorry, I. Great to meet you.

[A]

Pouring sweat.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I've never been less comfortable.

[B]

I cannot breathe, you know? Yeah.

[A]

But thank. But. But at the same time it's still

[B]

like, it's still such a.

[A]

Such a nice thing and I don't

[B]

think I've ever got.

[A]

We should all appreciate it.

[B]

I don't think I've ever gotten out of a. A converse. A punishing conversation or anything and really held on to it.

[A]

No, never.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, so who gives a.

[A]

Unless it was mean and you know, unless it was like disrespectful. But. But even that can be funny because there's the guy when we were on the fucking Veil of Maya tour and this isn't even punishing. This is just a guy we think about all the time who came to the table after we played and went, You guys were pretty good. And we laughed so hard. He didn't buy anything. He walked Away. That was nice.

[B]

Hey.

[A]

That was the perfect interaction. And at the same, like, there's only. I can only say thank you so many times.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

That's when it's like, I think that I can. I think the conversation has ended.

[B]

Yeah. Of course.

[A]

I don't know what else to say.

[B]

Yeah. And, you know, sometimes that's just like, not knowing it is what it is.

[A]

It's like, this is maybe the only chance we'll have to talk about, you know? And I get. You gotta get your shit in. Yeah, I do it, too. It's so hard. Whenever I hate, like, it takes so much balls to just go up to somebody and talk to them like that. So I truly appreciate it and respect it because it's difficult for me to do.

[B]

When Isolation came out, we played Summer of Hate in Cleveland and Human Furnace was there. I walked up to him with a copy of the record. First pressing of Isolation was like, hey, man, my band just put this out. We're huge Ringworm fans. I would just love for you to have this. He was holding it, and it's the middle of the day, and he's got a beer in one hand and a record that he now has to carry around for the rest of his day. And he was like, thanks, man, you got a cd. And I was like, nah, just that he went, all right. I punished the hell out of him. I brought it up to him seven years later when they were on tour with us, and he was like, oh, yeah, I remember that. Hey, man, now I'm opening for you. What are you gonna do?

[A]

And he for sure left that record there.

[B]

Yeah, of course. I get it. He signed us.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

You know, so whatever.

[A]

Yeah, we did that. Taylor and I did the same thing to Johnny Kelly, like, a year ago, dude.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Had to just be like, dude, we love you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can we get a pick?

[B]

Have I told the story about. About when Johnny Kelly was playing? He was playing with Quiet Riot at Heavy Montreal, and we were playing basketball in catering, and he was walking by.

[A]

Yeah, you have.

[B]

We tried to roll a ball to him to be like, oh, sorry, Johnny. Big fans, by the way.

[A]

And he's just.

[B]

He just didn't notice. Yeah.

[A]

So awesome.

[B]

It played a big movie.

[A]

Big fucking guy, dude.

[B]

Yeah, he's. They're all big, huh?

[A]

You know what's tough is. Is being like, hey, I. The word. You know what sucks, dude, is being like, would you do my podcast? Yeah, cuz cold. It's like the most embarrassing thing.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

If they don't but then they look up the stats and they're like, oh, this. These clips have millions of views.

[B]

Yeah, this is cool.

[A]

Yeah, I guess it's real. But having to explain it of like, hey, would you please do this podcast? Like, it's. I swear to God, it's a real thing. It's going to work so hard.

[B]

I know. It sucks. It sucks.

[A]

But we do it.

[B]

But we do it. Here we are.

[A]

And here we are. And then here. Here was this episode. Thank you all so much for watching. We hope you've had a great week. We'll be back very next week with a very special guest and we can't wait.

[B]

I think, by the way, this may have been the best Q and A in recent memory.

[A]

Oh, you guys killed.

[B]

Questions were fantastic.

[A]

Fantastic. Keep it up. Can't wait for the next one. We'll see you all next week. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Mad Vintage.