Mattie Mae Motl is a Bible scholar who specializes in gender and sexuality, and her work sits right at the intersection of faith, doubt, and curiosity. In this episode, Mattie shares what first sparked her deconstruction and the moments that led her to question some of the beliefs she once held about the Bible. We talk about the tension of studying scripture deeply while also confronting the fact that parts of the Bible may not be historically accurate.

Mattie also opens up about what it’s been like navigating faith and deconstruction within her marriage, especially when she and her husband no longer believe the same things. Despite the questions and uncertainty, she explains how she has found a way to maintain her faith while holding space for nuance, complexity, and ongoing growth.

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