Why Letting Go Is the Most Powerful Thing You Can Do | Matias De Stefano | EP 86

Summary

Healing + Human Potential Podcast: Episode 86 - "Why Letting Go Is the Most Powerful Thing You Can Do" with Matthias De Stefano

Release Date: April 29, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 86 of Healing + Human Potential, host Alyssa Nobriga welcomes back spiritual teacher and multi-dimensional explorer, Matthias De Stefano. Building upon the intriguing discussions from Episode 49, Matthias delves deeper into profound cosmic truths, exploring themes such as the inherent flaws in existence, the concept of the Void, the interplay between essence and ego, and the intricate processes of spiritual awakening and healing.

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Exploring the Cosmic Mistake and the Void

Matthias De Stefano initiates the conversation by revisiting the idea of a fundamental flaw woven into the fabric of existence. He explains that this "mistake" isn't a flaw from an external perspective but rather a unique expression within the Void—the true essence of the universe.

Matthias De Stefano [02:35]: "From the point of view of the void, that was the mistake. So we, the void, the essence of everything, is constantly trying to compensate and balance the creation in order to see how can we harmonize, finally, the entire existence because of that tiny mistake."

Matthias elaborates on how all matter and energy in the universe strive to balance and compensate for this primordial error. He compares the Void to a boundless grace that holds everything together, allowing for endless possibilities and dimensions.

The Essence vs. the Ego

A significant portion of the discussion centers on distinguishing between essence and ego. Matthias describes essence as the pure, unconditioned state of being, while ego is the focused point of perception that often leads to attachments and limitations.

Matthias De Stefano [09:57]: "Who am I? That’s just one of the expressions, the main expression of the entire universe. But we have a misunderstanding of the concept I and am."

He emphasizes that the ego is designed to navigate the physical realm by focusing on specific aspects of existence, which inadvertently leads to a sense of separation and fear of loss.

Understanding Spiritual Awakening

Matthias presents a refreshing perspective on spiritual awakening, likening it to the process of birth. He explains that just as a baby must adapt to a new environment outside the womb, a spiritual awakening involves continuous adaptation and learning to align with a higher state of consciousness.

Matthias De Stefano [33:06]: "A spiritual awakening is like going layer after layer to realize that you need to adapt a new breathing that you need to adapt to new lighting."

This analogy underscores the challenges and ongoing nature of spiritual growth, highlighting that awakening isn't a static state but a dynamic journey of constant evolution.

Kundalini Energy and Chakra Alignment

The conversation transitions to the Kundalini energy and its critical role in maintaining the fluidity of one's internal energy system. Matthias explains how blocked energy within the chakras can lead to physical and emotional ailments.

Matthias De Stefano [36:39]: "When you have chakras that have more weight, the more photons it catches and traps them. It starts to vibrate very fast and gets chaotic."

He draws an analogy between trapped photons within chakras and how excessive gravity can disrupt the natural flow of energy, leading to imbalances and sickness.

Illness as Energy Stagnation

Matthias offers a unique interpretation of illness, viewing it as a manifestation of energy stagnation within the body. He suggests that diseases arise when energy is blocked, preventing the natural flow necessary for healing and vitality.

Matthias De Stefano [43:53]: "Illness is like creating a dam for that water to go through. When you block the energy, it gets stuck and can become rotten."

This perspective encourages a holistic approach to healing, focusing on restoring the free movement of energy rather than merely treating symptoms.

The Power of Letting Go and Forgiveness

A pivotal theme in the episode is the transformative power of letting go and forgiveness. Matthias argues that holding onto attachments and unresolved emotions creates energetic blockages that hinder personal growth and healing.

Matthias De Stefano [50:14]: "Forgiveness is the ability to give something that doesn't belong to you. It’s about releasing the weight that doesn’t belong to you."

He emphasizes that forgiveness is not about the other person but about freeing oneself from the burdens of past grievances, allowing energy to flow unimpeded.

Handling Grief and Death

Matthias shares his insights on grieving and death, explaining that when someone dies, their energy expands into various dimensions. He advises allowing the deceased to expand freely rather than holding onto them energetically, which can cause them to become stuck.

Matthias De Stefano [54:47]: "Allow those beings to expand because if we grab them and say, 'I want you to stay with me,' you provoke a contraction."

He recounts personal experiences, highlighting the importance of creating an environment that facilitates the smooth transition of energy after death.

Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Matthias De Stefano provides deep, contemplative insights into the nature of existence, consciousness, and healing. His teachings encourage listeners to embrace the Void, release egoic attachments, and practice forgiveness as essential steps toward spiritual awakening and holistic health.

Matthias De Stefano [60:42]: "Sa."

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Notable Quotes

1. On the Mistake in Existence:

   Matthias De Stefano [02:35]: "From the point of view of the void, that was the mistake."

2. On Essence vs. Ego:

   Matthias De Stefano [09:57]: "Who am I? That’s just one of the expressions, the main expression of the entire universe."

3. On Spiritual Awakening:

   Matthias De Stefano [33:06]: "A spiritual awakening is like going layer after layer to realize that you need to adapt a new breathing that you need to adapt to new lighting."

4. On Illness and Energy Flow:

   Matthias De Stefano [43:53]: "Illness is like creating a dam for that water to go through."

5. On Forgiveness:

   Matthias De Stefano [50:14]: "Forgiveness is the ability to give something that doesn't belong to you."

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Final Thoughts

This episode serves as a profound exploration of human potential and the intricate dynamics of spiritual growth. Matthias De Stefano's transparent sharing of his personal struggles and insights provides listeners with practical tools and deeper understanding to navigate their own journeys toward healing and self-realization.

For those seeking to expand their consciousness and embrace the multi-dimensional aspects of their being, Episode 86 offers invaluable guidance and inspiration.

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Transcript

[Matthias De Stefanos]

I made death an exercise because when you are attached to life, you want to keep the things as you observe them. And in my life, I've been changing everything constantly. Like, oh, I created this. Now I will destroy it. I allow my body to have the struggle and the feeling of something is dying so I can be reborn. Why? It was water inside a glass when I can be a galaxy, because I thought I feel contained in a glass of water. I'm not allowing myself to become stars, but only when I go to the void. I can be both at the same time. The whole mindset starts to reset and starts to be a blessing for the new things to come. One of the things that I would say to the people that are close to people that have died is allow those people to expand because if we grab them and say, I want for you to stay with me, you provoke a contraction. They cannot come back to the body, so they get stuck in the energetics of the place. Most of us suffer because we want to hold the character as if it's us. If I lose this or if I stop doing that, I might lose myself. Who am I after that? The same thing that before gave us light and energy is the same thing that is killing you.

[Alyson Abriga]

What if the very fabric of our reality is based in a cosmic mistake? In this episode of the Healing and Human Potential podcast, we have Matthias De Stefanos back on who's picking up right where we left off, where he left us with a cliffhanger talking about the mistake. So we're gonna explore this hidden flaw woven within existence and how to break free from survival programming to spiritual awakening. We also talk about non duality timelines and why the unraveling in our lives might actually be the initiation that creates true freedom. Again, our guest today, Matthias De Stephanos, is a spiritual teacher and multi dimensional explorer. He's known for his memory of his past lives and his ability to explain complex cosmic truths in a really grounded and digestible.

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He's here to help us decode what.

[Alyson Abriga]

It is we're doing here on our school and the syllabus that most of us miss from the first day of class. Let's dive in. Let's have a conversation that's going to change the world. You start. I'm just kidding.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Well, I would hope I could do that.

[Alyson Abriga]

I think you can. I wanted to have you back on for a few reasons. Your episode 49, the first episode we did was not only the most popular episode we've ever had, but you left us with a cliffhanger. When you were talking about the mistake. Do you remember this?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah.

[Alyson Abriga]

That there's this flaw in existence that's so woven in that it's almost not recognizable, and it may not even be from this world, is what I think you said. I'm like, tell us everything.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Well, we would need, like, many podcasts to try to clarify that. And even. Even for myself, it's part of my. My life mission. So it's not like something I have clear.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

It's something that I felt remembered and that I am working on. So every day, every week, there's a new clue on all of that, and that's what amazed me all the time. But first of all, I would like to say that it's not that from my point of view, there is a mistake with everything or that the universe has, like, a mistake, let's say. Because of course, from the point of view when you are connected to everything, everything is perf. Perfect, and you can sense it. Like, everything makes sense. Everything is perfect, even though we are not we as humans. But nature is constantly trying to fix problems, is life is programmed to try to fit a structure that is not matching. So basically, every atom, every frequency in the universe is trying to match with something, to try to balance something. So the reason why protons and electrons and neutrons are getting together and sharing, exchanging energy is basically because they are trying to compensate something. Because the only truth and perfection of the entire universe is the void. Is like this grace that holds everything that doesn't exist. It's this massive thing that is impossible to understand. But what we can grasp to understand, which is the seen aspect, the one that we can perceive, is constantly trying to compensate something, which means that that's our perfection, that's our beauty, let's say. Then life, it's about that, and we can explain that constantly. But once I was connected to, say, an energy that the Indians call Brahma, which I've never felt before, and. And it was too powerful. Like, my body couldn't stand just a tiny slice of. Of that. And he kept repeating something that in my brain was translated into, how can a mistake know that it is a mistake if its very nature is the mistake? And I was like, what does this mean? And as I went through that rabbit hole, let's say, in my consciousness, it took me to this moment of creation that we all say that is the moment of the beauty and the creation and Big Bang and appearance of all the particles in the universe and all the history and stars, and I don't know everything that we Appreciate today as the origin of life. But from the point of view of the void, that was the mistake. So we, the void, the essence of everything, is constantly trying to compensate and balance the creation in order to see how can we harmonize, finally, the entire existence because of that tiny mistake. But actually, that tiny mistake was done by many different ancient civilizations and future civilizations when they tried to control that moment, when they tried, they tried to become God, the very origin of everything. So by trying to control the moment of error, origin, or trying to understand it, they created technology, created ways to arrive to that moment. And the way you arrive to that moment is by going in, in, in, in. And you can go in two ways. You can go in meditation, or you can go with technology that can take you until the moons and quartz. And when you get there and you move it and you break it to see what is the origin of everything. You arrive to a moment within everything that doesn't have time. So whatever you touch there, you touch the origin of everything. It's not that you have to go to the past to do that. You just have to go away from the structures of reality to arrive to the origin. So we all live connected to that, but we are layers of that mistake. So we cannot actually appreciate that time doesn't exist. We are just different rhythms of that time that we created as a consciousness. And every time that science or not just in this planet, but many others Are trying to reach the origin, to control time, because one thing is control matter. But if you control time, you basically control every process of matter. And you can manipulate everything, like every atom, every structure. So when you go there and try to control time, Every time that your consciousness observes with this point of view, what happened in the origin, you are moving the structures in a different way, which creates ripples in time that traps us constantly. So it's creating mistakes after mistakes after mistakes. So every story, every atom, every molecule in this universe has been trying to correct those mistakes. From the origin, which is not in the past, Is in the tiniest aspect of the universe that someone or some people, not just from here, has been trying to manipulate. So how do you find something that was moved from its place that actually is nowhere, but is everywhere, hidden Every code of the reality? So you have to pay attention to everything and to see how everything that seems not to be connected Has a code for the others to repair it. The paradox here is what happened when you repair it. You start all over. You disappear. What does it mean? So there are many stories from there?

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are. And I feel like we're going to keep raveling back and forth, of course, because those are so many portals to go down. And I want to. I want to go down all of the ones. And I know that the most important question we can ask is, who am I? How do you answer that?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Who am I? That well related to what I was just explaining. Who am I? Is just one of the expressions, the main expression of the entire universe. But we have a misunderstanding of the concept I and am. So basically, it's like something that starts to pulse, to create a pulse. So I is the essence, and am is the pulse of that essence. So we translate it into I am, the force of the I am. Because we can relate to it, because we evolve through an ego. So the ego is the easiest way to understand how everything can relate to me. To my point of view, to my hearing, to my every one of my senses. How can I perceive? Everything is because of me. So I am according to what I perceive. I only see what I perceive. So I've been evolving according to that. So that means that every little mistake in the reality is my perception of my own mistake. So the whole thing is, how do I go back to the essence of all of it, to I? And from there, being am. I can expand myself and express myself in this reality. So who am I? Is one of the main questions that we have to do constantly when we reach consciousness in order to repair that system, to bring everything that we projected outside into the right position and order. So it's like a practice that we have to do constantly. Who am I in this? Who am I with that? Who am I doing this? Who am I in this relationship? Who am I? So that question is the one that brings the particles to order to try to find the right essence. And that is being asked by plants, is being asked by insects. It's not just humans. We all ask that constantly in different ways, with different resonance, vibration. So it's just to relocate the essence as it is supposed to be and not just the perceptions that we have been adapting to.

[Alyson Abriga]

Let's go back to the void.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah.

[Alyson Abriga]

The unknown. The vast unknown. Most people, I think, project their fears into the unknown.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah.

[Alyson Abriga]

And yet it's the fullest nothingness and the ground of being of pure potential. Can you talk to us more about the void? Because I think it's going to help release some fear around it so that people can know themselves more deeply.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah. Well, the first layer that we have when we hear the word void or emptiness is that we Feel that it means nothing that we exist. Because our entire body has been trying constantly to accumulate things to fulfill our bodies, to fill up our stomachs, to fill up with blood, our heart, so it keeps beating, to fill up our mind, so we can find structures to hold to, to relate to people, so we can understand that we are not alone. So in our survival history, we have been developing constantly ways to tell us that we have to fill up something. That every void that we have or every empty aspect of ourselves needs to be fulfilled with something or filled up just that. So every time that we do something, it's like, oh, I don't feel complete. There's something missing. And it's like constantly these things that we say are establishing a pattern that makes us escape from the idea of void, of having something that is hollow. And it's a terrible image for someone that is trying to fulfill its life or to find something to complete themselves, like love. We try to find someone else to complete ourselves and so on. But this void is not about that. This void is not about there's nothing and I have to fill it up. And if I don't fill it up, I become nothing. It's not that specific void. Basically, when you go to the infinite structure of particles, there's nothing. It's void. And even though that void is holding everything, it doesn't matter where it is, doesn't matter if it's another galaxy or here, this glass of water. It's the same void that is holding the structure of everything. So when you go to that void, it's not something that you have to fill up, is something that allows you to be in that galaxy and in the glass of water. So you are everything. You are holding the structure of everything that you can possibly think of. So it's completely the opposite to where we were designed to understand about what is void and emptiness. So when scientists says, oh, the universe is basically 0.0001% matter and the rest is void, it's like, so what, the 99.99% of the universe is void. What it means, what does it mean? So it means that it's holding everything that we perceive. So actually, that's the important aspect. That's the divine itself. And the reason why that void is so important is because it allows everything to exist without any conditioning. So that's why we feel comfortable in that expansion of nothing instead of feeling, I'm losing it. So when you connect with that, it's totally different. And I used to use this way of explaining the Void so people could understand it more closely. Which is a guitar to make music needs a hole. So basically, not the void, but the emptiness of the room or the hole on the guitar is the thing that allows the sound to expand the music to be heard. So that's like a simplest way to understand that the void is not something bad that you need to fulfill. Because if you feel it up, the sound won't be the same. You cannot actually feel. That's why in order to actually find coherence between heart and mind, you need to be empty from all the expectations, feelings, patterns, ideas, preconcepts. You have to release all that in order to feel correctly. So that's the actual void, is it?

[Alyson Abriga]

That you have to release it or be awake to it.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

You have to realize that all of those things that you've been putting here, they maybe go here, here, or in hip, you know, so. But they don't go on the heart or in the mind. They have their position. So you release them from the place where you place them so they can be actually where they are supposed to be. And that's what it means to die in life, to let go. It's not like, okay, I forget about it. It's about, where do I have to place every idea, every emotion, every action that I took in the correct position of my body, of my soul, of my mind. So I can allow the kundalini, the energy, flow correctly. Otherwise, you're creating points of gravity within your center that attach the energy, and they start to spin instead of just moving through. So the kundalini doesn't go like this. Starts to roll and roll and roll. And when the snake of fire starts to roll in one place, it creates a disease, a conflict, instead of moving. Okay. So that's why it's released the gravity from the center, so the energy, the light, which is the photon, can move through and not get attached to the gravity of something that you have inside.

[Alyson Abriga]

And I think when people are asking, who am I? And just sitting in stillness, they're looking for more content to fill it versus being with the unknown, the vast silent awareness. And so just to offer people to hang out with that emptiness, because it's the fullest emptiness of everything. That is the birthing place from all of it. Right?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah.

[Alyson Abriga]

Is that how you experience it?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

I want to speak from experience.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Because it's easy to say, yeah, the emptiness.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

And I know it's not easy. I. I've been like, right now.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Sitting here, but right now I am in the middle Of a process of destroying myself. Where I feel that emptiness of not knowing what I'm supposed to do tomorrow if I have to destroy everything that I created. Disappear from the side of everyone I don't know. And the first thing that I feel is sadness and depression. And I have been feeling that for every day since last month. And it's been terrible. But every time that I tap in that emotion, my higher self says don't think that that emotion is something that you have to release.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yes.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

But it's something you have to observe as a map. Because it's what it's holding you to understand. Why are you feeling that? So it's not like, oh, I have to feel happy because it's not good to feel sad is allow yourself to be that sadness until you feel nothing. Until you go beyond that so you can see the map. And I've been doing that. But means to basically release everything. Everything that was setting pressure on the existence and being who you are supposed to be starts to be ripped apart and destroyed. It's been like that. Like. Like even yesterday I had a big meltdown because of that. Like saying to everyone I work with saying, I want to disappear. I don't want to be here anymore. And it's not even if I feel it in sadness. It's like allowing yourself to go to that void and not thinking that is something to be ashamed of.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

But something that is bringing you to a territory that is unknown. So it allows you to open yourself to new stuff, to new positions. As I said, maybe I was water inside a glass when I can be a galaxy. But because I thought I feel contained in the glass of water. I'm not allowing myself to become stars. But only when I go to the void. I can be both at the same time.

[Alyson Abriga]

Thank you for sharing so transparently. I think it's going to serve a lot of people to also just to really allow whatever emotions come up without getting tossed by the waves just to allow them to come up and pass through. Because there are people listening right now that are feeling exactly that way. They're feeling depressed. Whether it's from life situations, our spiritual awakening and questioning existence. How could that be the greatest gift to really meet ourselves and the moment fully?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

When I was 12 and I started to remember, one of the main things that I started to remember was every death. And I had to go through not only my death but remembering the death of people I loved and how they started to disappear in front of my eyes and myself dying. So I made death kind of an exercise for me, which is also annoying for a lot of people that wants to keep living. And the main reason is because when you are attached to life, you want to keep the things as you observe them. And in my life I've been changing everything constantly. Like, oh, I created this and I will destroy it. I will do something, something else and I will reincarnate in the same life in different projects or stuff, which is very unstable for many. And for me it's like a natural state of destroying myself once and again. Because I have to remember that that's how life is actually. If I get attached to one shape or one idea, then I will be stuck in the same process. So you start to see all the patterns that are stuck all the time and, and kind of like, oh, I want to destroy them so I can keep on going. I want to die so I can keep on going. So I think that for everyone that is living in situations like, like that, in my own personal experience, I allow myself to suffer it because it's not that I want to suffer, but I allow my body to have this struggle and the feeling of something is dying. So my consciousness can actually work and say, now I know that because I'm dying, I can be reborn. So the whole mindset starts to reset and starts to be a blessing for the new things to come. But of course the process is, is difficult. But if you fight it on, you shouldn't feel like that or don't cry, you know, these kind of things that people used to say, it's all going to be okay. It doesn't have to like if you put your mindset on, everything's going to be, you're going to get out of this or these kind of things. You don't allow yourself to actually finish the process.

[Alyson Abriga]

It's well intended. But then you're avoiding exactly versus fully allowing whatever sensation is coming up.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah.

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[Alyson Abriga]

I'm curious because my audience is very interested in healing, spirituality and psychology and in your process, knowing yourself deeply. Part of the work that I support my students in is embodying the truth of what they are while letting the egoic structures come up and allow whatever feelings, sensations or thoughts to be met as if essence embraces ego from the point of view of the void, of the truth of what you are allowing any of these egoic patterns, stories, thoughts, feelings, sensations coming up to be allowed fully. Is that how you orient around it?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

I don't have any technique of anything. I basically when I start to feel like this, I just allow myself to feel it. The essence is like the void. It has no point of relation so it's holding everything so it Cannot relate to anything directly. It's just there for the everything. So the ego is basically like the focus on your sight. Like, okay, I have so many things and I am so many things that I will put my attention into this spot here. So that spot becomes the point of gravity of the whole. So all of it starts to spin towards it like a galaxy and it creates the ego. So the ego is this point of gravity. So the essence can say, oh, I can relate to that. I have something to relate to now. So what happened if the essence grows bigger and bigger so more things will go to that point of gravity. So a person that has nothing in its life usually don't have much to carry in the ego because is not carrying the weight of anything. Like any mission, purpose or relationships or friends or family or whatever or money. It's just free. That's why a lot of people to release the ego, they just go to a cave in the middle of nowhere and they start to meditate and leave everything behind, even the clothes. Because in that way you have nothing to think of. Nothing that the ego can be attached to or carry as a point of attention. That's why we have this common belief that doing that is to release the ego.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Which is not actually. It's not how it works. We have this common belief in the same way as we believe in karma or these kind of things. It's like a common thing that someone said and we start to repeat it, but it's not what it means. Or like reading the Bible, like it's completely the opposite to what it's written, what is said. And the person that goes to the mountain and release everything there is ego too. But it's a healthy ego because it's not attached to anything physically. It brings that process into experience. But there's a lot of people that are also detached from everything. Having a lot of things, having family, having money, having whatever. You can also be totally detached from ego. And usually it's the people that is not talking about it.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah. They're just living it silently.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah. It's like you don't notice them. They go unnoticed in life. Usually this is because they don't have to show anything or they don't have to prove themselves anything. Because if they have it or not have it, it's the same.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

And that's ego. But that's a healthy ego. It's a healthy ego because it can use the points of gravity but don't be attached to those point of gravities.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah, it's almost like playing a character knowing that you're playing a character, not attached to it. It's just part of the play.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

So most of us suffer because we want to hold the character.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

As if it's us. And if I lose this, I might lose that part. If I. If I leave this or if I stop doing that or whatever, I might lose myself. Who am I after that? That's where I'm going right now. Yeah. That's where I'm right now is that question, like, who I'm gonna become if I am not what I build up. So if I have to leave everything. And that's the difference between essence and ego. Like, the ego is trying to survive. So when the essence comes in life, the essence is like, I don't care if I have this or I have that, or I do this, or I have this relationship with someone, or if.

[Alyson Abriga]

I have an ego, or even if.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

I have an ego like I am. And that's it. I'm not even. It's like, not even I am. It's like. It's that. Yeah. It's just that. And the ego is like, oh, I am in between all of that. So to be healthy in that is not to try to leave things away or relationships away. It's about being more in your essence and let the things just happen instead of trying to control them, which is what we all try to do.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

By nature.

[Alyson Abriga]

I love the quote. Let what comes come, let what goes go find out what remains. And just that moment to moment, practice of really inquiring into and part of your practice, allowing all of it to be. So in terms of. I know people use different terms. And so I want to. Because we're not using the same term for sure. And so I think it's good just to unpack them. Talk to us about what you understand spiritual awakening to be. And what would you say to people that are interested in spiritual awakening?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Well, it's not what it looks like.

[Alyson Abriga]

The sales pitch for. It's very different than the reality.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Of course, we have to make it beautiful so people go into it.

[Alyson Abriga]

But actually, that first kiss of awakening, my teacher would say, the first one's free. Yeah, the first one's free.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah. I always love to say that spirituality actually translate literally to the ability to breathe. So spirituality is not about channeling dimensions or knowing what I remember, or. This is not spirituality. Spirituality is whoever manages the breathing and knows how to be in presence. So the ability to breathe, that's what it actually means. So when you try to connect with it, whatever. It's like go back to remember how to breathe. And that's very difficult for all of us because we are not in a constant breathing process. And some people that are in the breathing process, they are trying to demonstrate that they can do it so they are not also in the actual breathing process. Breathing process is like being a baby and having this breath and allow themselves to cry if they need to release the tension. And so it's not about looking spiritual, meditating and breathing like in yoga. It's about actually allowing the art of breath to express. So a spiritual awakening is like when a baby that's like. Like that's a spiritual awakening, for example. It's like getting out of another human's body, feeling the pressure of the air in your lungs and changing completely from a not breathing being inside a womb to someone that has to do this in order to expand. So you were compressed in your reality and now you are expanded in your reality. But for that you need to know how to breathe. And a spiritual awakening is comparable to being born. And being born usually in this planet is like trauma for the baby unless the mother is very well prepared during her whole life on knowing how to give birth. Otherwise it's a process that is traumatic because it's like getting out to a different environment. You don't feel the pressure and the heat anymore. Now you can sense so many other things and you can see so many other beings around you. Before it was all filtered by your mother. Now you don't have filter. You see so many things and it burns your eyes and bothers your ears. And now you need to eat and having teeth hurts. So that's a spiritual awakening. A spiritual awakening is like going layer after layer to realize that you need to adapt a new breathing that you need to adapt to new lightning. So it's a constant process of adaptation is not sitting there and feeling, I'm in peace. That's not spirituality. Spiritual awakening is a constant process that you have gone through as you enter this world when you were born. So imagine that again, but now with dimensions instead of just air and people.

[Alyson Abriga]

There's a few things I want to do, but I want to come back to the Kundalini and the energy getting stuck. So can you break that down a little bit for people just so that they understand how to keep the energy fluid and clear and not have it get stuck in their system?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Well, to compare this with what actually happens in the universe. Speed of light. So the light, the photons are moving so fast that we compare everything to the speed of light. So how many light years it takes for you to arrive one place to the other, like the light from the sun to the Earth, I think it takes like eight minutes from the surface of the sun to our surface of the Earth. So it's very fast, and it goes very fast in a spiral way. Like, the photons move like this very fast in the universe with nothing stopping them. So for the universe, they move fast, but actually, they never actually are moving. So it's like kind of a paradoxical thing for a photon. So what happens when a photon gets trapped by the gravity of this planet and the gases of this planet, the photon starts to heat every particle. And instead of just keeping going from the sun to another world to Jupiter, let's say it gets trapped in our atmosphere. And that's why we see, for example, this color, like blue sky, is actually photons hitting ozone and helium. So, like this, so we can perceive that color. But it's because a lot of photons are being trapped in our world by this gravity and all the particles that are here. And that's why we see the colors. It's just reflections of those photons that got trapped in Earth. So now imagine that your body has a sun and another sun on the other side. And they both are sending photons throughout a channel which is your center of your. Of your being, your spine through the nerve system, through the core. But you have chakras which are the planets. So those planets will be crossed by the photons. But what happened, the bigger that planet grows, the more photons it catches and trapped them. So they start to shine, but also they start to vibrate very fast. And being trapped, instead of in the presence, infinite presence of a photon throughout space, now they get trapped and get chaotic. And that's why we feel heat. That's why we burn by radiation when we are taking some sun on the beach. So it's because of these photons and radiations being alterated here. So imagine a chakra that has more weight, that has more shades. More things are trapping more light and more light and more light, not allowing the light to go from one planet to the other, from one sun to the other, feeling that connectivity of the infinite space. So it creates life, for example, that allows the chakras to shine, so it gives energy. And that's how we see the colors, the wavelength of the photons around us. That's why we say red, orange, yellow. The colors of the chakras are not different. It's just one spectrum of a photon that moves in different wavelengths. So it's the same photon moving different wavelengths. So we see red, orange, and so on. So that's why we see the colors of the chakras, basically. So all this rainbow that we have within ourselves is because photons are crossing from the sun to the ground by gravity and being expanded by this sun that we have above us, the higher self. So if we are aligned, these colors will shine like a rainbow. But if we start to trap emotions, relationships, fears, attachments, we start to grab more gravity and gravity and gravity, so it's less light going through. So the rainbow starts to kind of disappear. And so you get stuck in one specific moment, like, for example, a lot of attachments to a place. It creates a lot of weight in the root chakra. So it's more long waves. So that means more red light, which means that I'm going to get more anger and rage. And because I'm trying to protect territory, so the photon starts to be more attached there, so I will have much more red energy. And the other ones will be lower and lower because all the photons are vibrating in that wavelength. So that's why we see a rainbow through us. But if that light gets attached by too much gravity in one point of your body, so it changes the whole.

[Alyson Abriga]

Configuration, and I would imagine, and correct me if I'm wrong, then the healing work that we do would then help us have less of those attachments and have more harmony within our chakra system. Is that right?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Exactly, yeah. So it's basically like saying, okay, if I have a lot of attachment here in this chakra, maybe I'm losing strength in my legs also. So why? Because I'm taking all the power of my knees and my hips to put it here to nourish something that needs to be fulfilled. So what do I have to do? It's not about releasing that energy, it's about relocating it to the hips, to the knees, to the bones. So I spread the energy where it's supposed to be so the photons can cross correctly and correct the. That's the healing.

[Alyson Abriga]

What is your orientation around having really aligned chakras and kundalini energy to awakening?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Of course, the awakening happens when the light of your own sun crosses directly to your own world. That means that there is nothing that can stop you from feeling that light. So that's why realign the chakras, reorganize the information that you have in them, Allowing a black hole to be in the center of everything. So the energy can just Go through.

[Alyson Abriga]

I have this analogy of the rain stick, you know how it hits up and makes noise. This, this. It's an instrument.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Oh yes, yes, like that.

[Alyson Abriga]

And so if there's less blocks and holding patterns, then it just moves through more clearly. Tell me your viewpoint around illness, because I imagine it relates to this.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

I, I like in, in Spanish illness is, and I like the, the origin of that word because en fermo means to be stopped. So someone that got stopped and got still and because the energy is not moving, it gets stuck. So you get ill. That's the way to understand the word. So basically it's like when you get sick when you create a dam for that water to go through. So you start to accumulate water and you say water is not bad. It's bad when it's accumulated and doesn't flowing. So then can become, I don't know, the water can get rotten and suddenly smelly. And so that's what happens. That's why we get ill. Because the flow of the energy is not the correct one. So we start to create a dam of energy, a dump of, of power and light. And the same thing that before gave us life and energy is the same thing that is killing you. Just because you are blocking with a lot of things that you are putting inside in order to feel that you hold it. Because one of the of the beautiful things about how this works is that in order for you to have it, you need to release it. That's eating and pooping. Energy is the same you receive and give. So if you keep all of that, because oh, I just received all this energy and I want to keep it for myself. The same thing that was so amazing, it will get you ill. What would.

[Alyson Abriga]

You say to somebody that is dealing with an illness? How would you recommend that they work with their energy? Would you support them in doing some psychological healing, more energy work? I mean obviously they're going to take care of their physical health and see a doctor and things. But any pointers?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

I have a friend that had cancer and we did some ceremonies together and I was receiving this my higher self speaking. And of course in Spanish it wouldn't make any sense, but in English, he speaks English, he found a way to explain this with the similarities of the world of the words, which is in order to heal, you have to know where to put your heel. I was like, what does it mean when you stand up? Health means that you are in your center. So to be in your center when you are standing up, where are your heels? So health is where you put your heels so you can have your center. So one gets ill when doesn't know where to put the next step. So the question is not about your illness. It's about where are you going or where are you staying? Where you are staying is a healthy center for you. Do you know where you're going to put your heel in the next step? Where are you heading to? What is their purpose? So the questions when there's an illness is not about how I heal the illness, it's about why I got stuck. Because the illness is just cells saying, hey, there's a problem here, so where are we going? So when all the tension is about how to heal the disease, you are just stuck in the energy again and again in the same trauma, in the same conflict, because all your attention and your heels are just thinking about the disease.

[Alyson Abriga]

Would you say resistance, kind of like pushing your heels in?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah, it's like I'm feeling this. I have to be here with the disease. But most of the people, instead of asking the disease, why am I here? They try to avoid the disease, trying to heal it and saying, I have to be fine, I have to heal. I remember my grandmother died because of cancer. And we were at the hospital and I said to her, there are two ways to walk this path. One is very long, but it might get you to where you're supposed to. The other one is short, but it will take you where you don't want to go. So the short one was, let's try chemo and trust the doctors, of course, something that can heal you too. But of course it's going to kill more cells than actually heal them. The other one is to walk the path, where are you? Where have you been? Where are you going to? Do you actually want to heal? So do you. You have to face why you have this disease. So all of that is longer, of course, but it might get you to the real point. And I remember she looked at me and said. And I. And she said, so what? What would be the first thing to do and say, well, you have to forgive my grandfather, your husband. He was dead many years ago and you have to speak with him. And she said, let's go for the short one. Yeah, she died, of course.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

But, yeah, she didn't want to face.

[Alyson Abriga]

That was hard for her. Yeah, these defense mechanisms can really be protection and just to have compassion if somebody is choosing that path. Yeah, I keep hearing acceptance as a foundation for living. It's like, oh, this dis ease is feedback. What is it here to teach me what? What is the feedback in it? How can I listen? Do I really want to heal? But I also hear you saying forgiveness, which would point back to doing the inner work, right?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah. And forgive. Forgive is to give away. So that's the origin of forgiveness. Forgiveness is the ability to give something that doesn't belong to you. So I forgive you is actually I'm not expecting anything and I give you what you have gave me back. So that's the concept of it. So I don't have the weight anymore of something that doesn't belong to me.

[Alyson Abriga]

And you're giving it back, you're giving it away.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

You're giving it away, you're giving it back. So you are taking away the weight that you had in that chakra. So that's why forgiveness is not about the other person, it's always about yourself. So that's why I said the first thing is to release a weight that doesn't belong to you in order to focus just on you. So that's why you have to forgive first. So otherwise you're not concentrating yourself, you're just giving energy to someone else. That's why you have to forgive everyone before you can do the work with yourself.

[Alyson Abriga]

So you're saying forgiveness is the first step to do deeper work. What other work is there?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Well, forgiveness is one of the first ones. The next one I believe is to make the map on why did you accepted all those weights? So what are the cycles that you've been repeating that you accumulated that weight in you? That takes a long time. Because it means recognition, understanding, talking about it, having conversations even with people that are not there. But you can speak with someone like if that person was there. So it's part of the recognition of where is the map? Where does the map leads me in my mind. So to understand all the moments that you had that disease, that same disease that now is physical but you had it before emotionally. So where did I feel this before?

[Alyson Abriga]

I want to break it down. I want to make sure I'm understanding for people. So what you're saying that it starts emotionally or energetically in your body, the chakras and there's a holding and the disease is feedback.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah.

[Alyson Abriga]

And that the first step is forgiveness and then the second step is really doing some self analysis of understanding where's that pattern been playing out in my life? And more self knowledge and looking at the patterns.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah. That's the second thing that someone has to do. Yeah, of course. And the third one would be towards the future. Where am I heading because of that? What are my intentions? Are mine or are of those people, of those situations, where am I going? And that's the question of the heels. Where am I standing and where am I going to put the heel? Because health is about where I'm going and how the energy is moving. If I'm not moving, if I'm still shocked by what happened, I'm not going to heal. The next question is, where am I going to put my heel in the next steps? Where am I heading to, what is my purpose? And so on.

[Alyson Abriga]

It just keeps coming back to the power and the importance of doing emotional mastery work.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

It's basically that, like, emotion is energy. I say energy in motion. It's a constant motion of energy. So what is energy? Everything. We are energy. We are packages of data in shape of energy. Electrons spin around a proton energy. So what are you chemical elements that are atoms. That is atomic energy packaged in a different way. We have that power within that becomes emotions, organically become emotions when we are not using it correctly. So when we don't know how to use the machine correctly, that energy, and we call that emotion. So in order to heal a machine, you need to correct the emotion. And that makes you think about what is my motion, where am I moving, am I moving? Or I'm just thinking that I'm moving, but actually I'm like a hamster in the same wheel, spinning and running, but in the same position all the time.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah. And somebody that chooses not to do the work, like for example, your grandmother, do you think that she'll then just have further opportunities to get the same lessons again and again?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah. The universe is eternal.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

So plenty of time.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah. And what about for people that are listening and they have someone that they love that is has died? What would you say to them? Like, I'm sure they're asking questions like what happens specifically after we die? But what would you want them to know?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

I think it's. It's important to understand that when someone dies, their energy expands. So that expansion goes to different levels. There's one aspect of that expansion that goes to the fourth dimension and the fifth dimension that expands into different dimensions. But other aspects of you expands in the third dimension, meaning insects will eat from you, that will feed birds and roots that will give power to flowers and seeds, that will create honey for beehives and so on. So you expand in different dimensions. You don't only expand in the fourth or heaven, but you're also expanding to this one. So that means that the person that just died. One aspect expands very fast to the fourth dimension, which is that moment when you see your whole life and the tunnel and the whole thing. But then you go to the fifth dimension, which is information, and you start to expand to other levels. But the physical aspect of you, it takes months until it expands into nature. One of the things that I would say to the people that are close to people that have died recently is to allow those beings, those people to expand. Because if we grab them and say, we don't want for you to leave. Why did you leave? I want for you to stay with me. So you provoke a contraction, but they cannot come back to the body, so they get stuck in the energetics of the place. So it's very beautiful to accompany someone to leave and to expand. And I remember from my grandmother, I was in the hospital and I created a whole portal under the bed with all crystals and things. And I put all these crystals that reflect rainbows and was playing the crystal ball. And the nurses used to come to the room just to relax because of course she choose the other path. So I was creating a tunnel for. For her to expand faster. And of course I gave her a lot of cannabis illegally.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

I don't care.

[Alyson Abriga]

Support on all the dimensions.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah. She said. She said, give me that thing that you give. Yeah, yeah. To expand the mind. So I think it's very important for. For us to accompany those who are going or just left to expand to.

[Alyson Abriga]

Every dimension and to grieve, I guess, and to honor that, but also to hold it in, letting them go. Because not. Not just back to what you were saying around not holding on to it energetically for you, then it's a spiritual opportunity to let go.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Yeah.

[Alyson Abriga]

That serves you and them.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Exactly.

[Alyson Abriga]

And no separation. Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

And that's why I also like, personally, I. I don't like to put bodies on a coffin.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah.

[Matthias De Stefanos]

Mainly because it. It's more difficult for those people to expand to nature again because they are kind of trapped. And this is actually a tradition we kept from the Middle east because we believed we would use the same body when we reincarnate. So they had to keep it as possible, equally so so we could use it back. That's the mummification stories and everything. But actually we go back to the source. And if we are energy, we are fire. So that's why the cultures that burn their bodies not immediately. That's the other problem. You need at least seven days to do the whole process of trend of the body processing the energy and releasing the. The Whole energy.

[Alyson Abriga]

That's what you recommend?

[Matthias De Stefanos]

That's what I would recommend. To have a time or help the body during the first hours or the first day to release all the energy with whatever many techniques so it doesn't get attached to the body and then release it through fire. So we become energy and the plants can eat us, the birds, the. It comes back freely to everything, to the source.

[Alyson Abriga]

Yeah. Beautiful. These are so helpful to share.

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[Alyson Abriga]

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[Alyson Abriga]

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[Matthias De Stefanos]

Sa.