#56 44 Photos

Summary

Heavyweight – Episode #56: "44 Photos" Summary

Release Date: November 9, 2023 | Host: Pushkin Industries

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Introduction to the Mystery

In episode #56 of Heavyweight, titled "44 Photos," host Stevie Lane delves into a perplexing mystery that intertwines fate, loss, and the enigmatic world of postal services. The story begins with Jordan Kistner sending a package to her friend Amy, which was intended to contain Jordan's newly published book about "thin places"—locations where the veil between the physical and spiritual realms is thin.

Notable Quote:

Stevie Lane [04:00]: “There's a lot that I don't know about it. But Amy and Jordan want my help figuring out how Amy ended up with the photographs and how to return to sender.”

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The Unexpected Package

On April 7, 2021, Amy visits her local USPS to send Jordan a brown padded envelope containing the book. However, instead of receiving Jordan's book, Amy finds a bundle of 44 photographs depicting strangers—each image more enigmatic than the last.

Notable Quotes:

Stevie Lane [04:51]: “Amy didn't recognize anyone in the photos… 44 photos of complete and total strangers.”

Amy [05:36]: “And I was completely confused.”

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Stevie's Investigation Begins

Curious about the mismatch, Stevie Lane takes on the task of uncovering how the photos ended up in Amy's hands. Her initial hypothesis suggests that Jordan's package might have been mishandled or accidentally swapped during a Media Mail inspection—though Postal Inspector Dan Michalko clarifies that such inspections require a search warrant and are unlikely the cause.

Notable Quotes:

Dan Michalko [09:49]: “We don't do anything like that. The only time we'd ever inspect mail is if we had a search warrant.”

Stevie Lane [10:32]: “They're kind of sleuths in their own way.”

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The Mail Recovery Center (MRC)

Stevie explores the USPS Mail Recovery Center in Atlanta, Georgia, known for handling undeliverable and mysterious mail. Despite her efforts, Lionel Snow, the MRC manager, offers little assistance, leaving Stevie at a dead end. This forces her to turn her attention back to the photographs themselves in hopes of identifying their origins.

Notable Quotes:

Stevie Lane [13:03]: “We have 160 million addresses in the US could have come from any one of them.”

Levity from Inspector Michalko [10:55]: “They have to try to put pieces together.”

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Connecting the Dots: Dallin Cox's Photo

Amidst the 44 photos, one particularly old and creased Polaroid stands out. It depicts a man crouching with a baby and a dog, with the inscription on the back: "Dallin, Kelly, and Queenie at grandparents Coxes Kelly, nine and a half months." Intrigued by this, Stevie traces the photo to Dallin Cox in California.

Notable Quotes:

Stevie Lane [16:52]: “I'd called a few days before and left a message.”

Dallin Sr. [17:10]: “That's crazy. That would be my dad.”

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Unveiling Family Tragedy

Dallin Sr. reveals that the photograph pertains to his late daughter Kelly, who passed away unexpectedly on March 30, 2021, just a week before the package was sent. Kelly's granddaughter, Devin, confirms that she received a similar package from her grandmother, Betty, but without the mysterious photo of Kelly and Dallin. This discrepancy deepens the mystery, suggesting a deliberate yet inexplicable act by Kelly.

Notable Quotes:

Stevie Lane [19:09]: “Kelly died unexpectedly of heart failure at the age of 53. It was a shock to her family.”

Jordan Kistner [24:02]: “She believed that there's something beyond death. And I've never believed in ghosts… if there is something there, my mom would definitely do something like this.”

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A Message from Beyond?

Jordan Kistner connects the appearance of the photo to her mother's beliefs about thin places and the possibility of messages from beyond. She interprets the photo's late arrival as a possible sign from Kelly, striving to communicate her continued presence and support for her family.

Notable Quotes:

Jordan Kistner [25:34]: “I feel like it's like a treasure from my mom. That's how I feel.”

Stevie Lane [24:24]: “You think that this is almost like a missive from your mom.”

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Closure and Reflection

Despite extensive efforts, the origins of the remaining 43 photographs remain a mystery. However, the one connected to Kelly serves as a poignant symbol of enduring love and the mysterious ways in which connections persist beyond death. Devin plans to honor Kelly's memory by including the photograph in her grandfather's upcoming birthday photo album, ensuring that the image—and the love it represents—remains preserved.

Notable Quotes:

Stevie Lane [26:05]: “If Kelly wanted Devin to have the photo, why deliver it a year late? Why now?”

Jordan Kistner [25:56]: “Having this feeling that she's still here and she's still with me is amazing, right?”

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Conclusion

"44 Photos" is a heart-wrenching exploration of loss, memory, and the inexplicable coincidences that sometimes bridge the gap between the living and those we've lost. Through Stevie Lane's empathetic investigation, listeners are invited to ponder the mysteries of fate and the enduring bonds of family.

Notable Quote:

Stevie Lane [24:43]: “I still don't know where the photo of Kelly came from. No one in Kelly's family can account for it.”

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Production Credits: This episode was produced by Stevie Lane, Jonathan Goldstein, Phoebe Flanagan, and Mohini Madgaon, with senior production by Khalilah Holt. Special thanks to Alex Blumberg, Mimi O'Donnell, Lauren Silverman, Maureen Taylor, Estelle Ivory, and the USPS team. Original music by Christine Fellowes, John K. Sampson, Blue Dot Sessions, Sean Jacoby, and Bobby Lourd. Theme song by The Weakerthans, courtesy of Epitaph Records.

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Transcript

[Stevie Lane]

Hello?

Hello?

Oh, hello.

Do you know who this is?

Yes, Stevie.

Yeah, you got me.

You have a pretty recognizable voice, I have to say. It has sort of like a pleasantly deep register.

Wow.

In a nice way, but. And it makes your voice very distinct.

It's funny you should say this because.

Yeah.

One time when I was, like, in middle school, my friend called my house and I picked up the phone and I was like, hello? And she thought it was my dad. She was like, hi, Rob. Is Stevie home? And I just pretended that, in fact I was my father. And I was just like, yeah, let me get her.

You didn't want to contradict your friend.

I think I was just so embarrassed that I could possibly be mistaken for an old man.

Well, maybe with respect to your dad, maybe he kind of sounds like little girl.

[Jordan Kistner]

Hello, Stevie Lainstadt speaking.

[Stevie Lane]

I'm Stevie Lane, and this is heavyweight. Today's episode 44 photos right after the break. You're listening to an iHeart podcast.

[Khalilah Holt]

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[Stevie Lane]

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[Stevie Lane]

There are places, according to Celtic folklore, where the boundary between our physical world and the spiritual world is porous. Where earth and the otherworldly are separated by no more than a few inches. At these places, strange, unexplainable things can happen. These places are called thin places, and this is a story about one of them. A few years ago, Jordan Kistner wrote a book about thin places. She wanted to send it to her friend Amy.

[Amy]

So it was April 7, 2021, and I went to the USPS. That was a few blocks away from my apartment at the time.

[Stevie Lane]

Jordan bought a brown padded envelope, put her book inside, and handed it to.

[Amy]

The postal worker, and that was that. It was a really uneventful post office visit on a pretty normal spring day in Vegas.

[Devin]

It was a sunny day in April, and I walked to the mailbox.

[Stevie Lane]

This is Jordan's friend Amy, which is.

[Devin]

A really exciting part of my day. I really like mail. And I open the mailbox with a little key, and there's something like, stuffed into my box.

[Stevie Lane]

Something Amy had been expecting. The package Jordan sent her.

[Devin]

It says, you know, to Amy from Jordan, and the address is Las Vegas.

[Stevie Lane]

Amy brought the package back to her house and eagerly tore it open. But inside, Amy did not find Jordan's book. She didn't find a book at all. Instead, she found a stack of photographs.

[Devin]

And that's where the mystery begins.

[Stevie Lane]

Amy didn't recognize anyone in the photos. There was one of a girl wearing a blue T shirt with clouds printed on it. Another of three teenagers in caps and gowns. The people were of all different ages and races. Some of the photos were in black and white, some in color. One was a polaroid. Amy counted 44 photos in all. 44 photos of complete and total strangers. And yet the package was labeled to Amy, her name written in ballpoint pen. Jordan's return address was scrawled in the upper left hand corner. Struggling to come up with an explanation.

[Devin]

Amy wondered, maybe Jordan sent these by accident.

[Stevie Lane]

So Amy texted Jordan, telling her she received her package. But rather than a book, found 44 photographs inside.

[Amy]

And I was completely confused.

[Jordan Kistner]

I just.

[Amy]

I just couldn't. I actually felt like I couldn't totally comprehend the message she was sending me.

[Stevie Lane]

So Jordan texted Amy back, wait, comma, what?

[Devin]

With two question marks.

[Stevie Lane]

Two?

[Devin]

Yeah, two. And then photos. Question mark.

[Stevie Lane]

Amy sent Jordan a picture of the package and all 44 photographs spread out on her kitchen counter.

[Devin]

And she said, what in all caps? I have no idea what those photos are. I don't even know those people. But that's my handwriting on the package.

[Stevie Lane]

It was hard to know what to make of the whole thing. It's like Amy expected a book about thin places, but got an actual thin place experience instead. Amy can't bring herself to just Throw the photos away. So for an entire year now, she's kept them by her desk. And for an entire year she's been studying them. There's the one of a new baby sucking on someone's finger. There's a little girl in glasses and a cheerleader's outfit holding her leg up and smiling confidently into the camera. The more Amy looks at the photos, the more she thinks about the family that's missing them. These people in the photos are nobodies to Amy, but they are somebodies to somebody.

[Devin]

Is there a way to find any of these people? Like, who are they? Do they want their photographs back? Because I would like the photographs to be returned to the family. I feel like people should have their things.

[Stevie Lane]

A year ago, when Amy first received the package, she and Jordan tried opening a case file on the mysterious photos, hoping the USPS could shed light on where they came from. But nothing ever came of it.

[Amy]

The mail system, we feel like we understand it, but then when you really think about it, it is this complete mystery. It's like a void into which we send stuff and from which that stuff emerges again. But then when it doesn't emerge, you're like, wait a second. But what, what is, where is it going? What is, what is this system? What don't we know about it?

[Stevie Lane]

There's a lot that I don't know about it. But Amy and Jordan want my help figuring out how Amy ended up with the photographs and how to return to sender. To get to the bottom of it, I'll have to navigate a mysterious little understood world that exists alongside our own. A world separated only by an inches wide slot in a metal box. And so I step over the boundary into the world of the United States Postal Service. I start with a theory that Jordan, Amy and I discussed on the phone. Jordan had sent Amy the book via Media Mail, a discounted rate for sending things like books and CDs. From what I read online, it sounds like the post office searches media mail packages to prevent people from sending anything they want on the cheap. And in fact, Amy noticed that the package had been taped up as though it had been resealed en route. Maybe Jordan's package and the package with the photos were both searched and then accidentally swapped. To test this theory, I call the Postal Inspection Service. It turns out the post office has a whole department of inspectors. Are you sort of like the James Bond of the mail service?

[Dan Michalko]

Actually, it's funny you mentioned that my badge number was 007.

[Stevie Lane]

No, really. Really. His name is Michalco. Dan Michalco. He's a U.S. postal inspector. And what does he inspect?

[Dan Michalko]

Postal crimes, theft of mail, mail fraud, prohibited items in the mail, such as bombs, narcotics, anthrax attacks, pornography.

[Stevie Lane]

I put my theory to Dan. Might the Postal Inspection Service have opened and examined Jordan's package?

[Dan Michalko]

No, no, we don't do anything like that. The only time we'd ever inspect mail is if we had a search warrant. So we can't just open up mail. Nobody in the Postal Service has that authority.

[Stevie Lane]

Dan says USPS investigators don't inspect packages without probable cause.

[Dan Michalko]

Here's what it sounds like may have happened.

[Stevie Lane]

Dan guesses that somewhere along the way, Jordan's package got damaged and the book fell out. Another package carrying the bundle of photos could have also broken open. A postal worker might have seen the loose bundle of photos, thought they belonged in Jordan's envelope, and accidentally switched the packaging. And here's where that switch might have occurred.

[Dan Michalko]

It used to be commonly referred to as the dead letter office, but now it's, I think it's Mail Recovery Center.

[Stevie Lane]

The Mail Recovery center, or mrc, is located in Atlanta, Georgia. It's where all undeliverable mail winds up. Some of the stuff they receive is truly strange. An alligator skull still covered in flesh. Cremation boxes. Tom Nosalki's 1971 NBA championship ring, which had been stolen from him 12 years before, showing up at the MRC. I don't know who Tom Nosalki is, but listeners might. The MRC is also one of the few places where postal workers are actually allowed to open mail to help them look for clues as to where the items or letters belong. Dan says that it's the job in part of the MRC employees to make their best guess about what belongs with what and send it on its way.

[Dan Michalko]

They have to try to put pieces together. You know, they're kind of sleuths in their own way.

[Stevie Lane]

In their own way. Don't condescend to the mrc, Agent Michalko. If Dan is right, the original package the photos came in with the original address might still be sitting somewhere at the mrc. So I phone up the person in charge to ask.

This is the manager, Lionel Snow.

Oh, hi, Lionel. My name is Stevie Lane and I'm a radio journalist. Do you have a moment so I can tell you why I'm calling?

Not really. I mean, I don't have a lot of conversation time to talk with customers.

Nevertheless, I tell him about the mix up.

Anything could have happened. Anything could happen. I mean, I couldn't tell you.

Lionel tells me that contrary to Dan Michalko's theory, Jordan's package likely never made it to the mrc. If it had, it would probably have a special stamp on it, which Jordan's package doesn't. I ask if he has any other guesses, but he just keeps whipping out his favorite phrase.

Anything could have happened. Anything could have happened. I can make an educated guess or not.

When I press, the answer is or not.

Anything could have happened.

Jordan had likened the mail system to a void into which we send stuff and from which that stuff emerges. But it appears it's also a void into which I send my questions and from which nothing emerges. Over a number of weeks, I reach out to more people at the usps, in the communications department, the historian's office, even the Postal Museum.

[Amy]

It is a mystery.

[Dan Michalko]

I can't really guess.

[Stevie Lane]

We have 160 million addresses in the US could have come from any one of them.

Nobody is able to help. I've hit a dead end with the post office, so I turn to the only other information that I have, the photos themselves. Is there a way to identify the people in these photographs? There's a photo of someone's pet cat, but it doesn't have a collar with a tag. There's a graduation, but it doesn't show the name of the school. There's one photo of a man sitting in a restaurant, holding up a signed headshot of what looks like a younger version of himself. The headshot is signed Dr. Pedro Something, MD. But after hours of Photoshop sharpening, I still can't read what that something is. For every photo, I'm just one small piece of information away from cracking the case. Every photo except for one. The photo is the oldest in the bunch, a creased and faded Polaroid. In it, a man crouches in the grass, supporting a baby in plaid overalls, pulling, barely old enough to walk. The baby is looking down at a dog, rolling over on its back playfully while the man pets its stomach. No one is aware of the camera. It seems to be capturing a private moment, and when you flip the photo over, there's something written on the back. Dallin, Kelly, and Queenie, it says in all caps. At grandparents, Coxes Kelly, nine and a half months.

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[Stevie Lane]

Dallin, Kelly and Queenie Grandparents Coxes After Googling around, I find a number for a Dallin Cox in California. Hello? Hi, is this Dallin?

[Dallin Sr.]

This is.

[Stevie Lane]

I'd called a few days before and left a message.

[Dallin Sr.]

I'm just really curious what this is all about. Honestly, I have no idea how I'd be involved in anything that you would be looking into.

[Stevie Lane]

So I explain about the package of photos Amy received about one in particular of a man with a child and a dog with an inscription on the back and it says Dallin, Kelly and Queenie at grandparents Cox's. Kelly, nine and a half months. That's crazy.

[Dallin Sr.]

Yeah, that's crazy. That would be my dad. Yeah.

[Stevie Lane]

Huh. Yeah, Sounds like it might be of.

[Dallin Sr.]

My dad and my sister Kelly.

[Stevie Lane]

Dallin's dad is Dallin's senior. Dallin suggests I give him a call to see if the photo belongs to him.

[Dallin Sr.]

Hello?

[Stevie Lane]

I tell Dallin Sr. All about the photo of him and his daughter Kelly. Then I text it over to him. All right, here it comes.

Wow.

[Dallin Sr.]

That would have been from 1967 probably, or 68. She'd have been about 9 months old I would say at that time, obviously is standing up a little bit, but she walked at early age like that. So yeah, that's really something. No, I don't have that picture in my collection. In fact, I don't recall ever having seen it before. Kelly was born in 67, in June of 67. And she actually she passed away in March of last year.

[Stevie Lane]

Kelly died on March 30, 2021. The package with Kelly's photo was postmarked April 7, 2021, just one week after she died.

[Dallin Sr.]

So that just makes it really strange.

[Stevie Lane]

Kelly died unexpectedly of heart failure at the age of 53. It was a shock to her family.

[Dallin Sr.]

Everybody loved her laugh when she laughed. It was just really unique and enthusiastic laugh, you know. I remember taking her with me to lake one weekend and she learned to water ski and she was having a ball. My dad used to take Kelly at that age, when she was about a year old, down to the lake and they would feed the ducks. He'd take breadcrumbs and they'd throw them to the ducks. And she got so excited to do that. That was her favorite thing to do.

[Stevie Lane]

Dallin Sr. Doesn't recognize the handwriting on the back of the photograph, but he wonders if it belongs to Kelly's mother, his ex wife, Betty. Betty had been sick and unable to make it to Kelly's funeral. Maybe she put it in the mail, hoping it would arrive for the service. When I phone Betty, she doesn't remember the photo, but she tells me that she did indeed mail a package of photos to her granddaughter, Devin. Devin is Kelly's daughter.

[Jordan Kistner]

This is Devin.

[Stevie Lane]

So I called Evan to see if I ended up with the photos that her grandma tried to send her.

[Jordan Kistner]

No. I did get a package of photos from my grandmother.

[Stevie Lane]

Huh. Devin got the photos from Betty in a package that was firmly sealed. And the photo of Kelly and Dallin, that one wasn't in there. Devin says she's never seen it before. As for the rest of the photographs.

[Jordan Kistner]

Amy received, I don't recognize any of the people.

[Stevie Lane]

None of them, huh?

[Jordan Kistner]

No.

[Stevie Lane]

Dallin Jr. Dallin Sr. And Betty all said the same thing when I sent them the photos. Somehow, then, it seems this photograph, along its journey through the mail, wound up with 43 other images of other random families. Devon can't tell me anything about those other families, but she does tell me about her own. Her mom, Kelly, got pregnant with her when she was in college. Kelly wasn't prepared to take care of a child. And soon after Devin was born, Dallin Sr. Devin's grandfather, took Devin in and raised her as his daughter.

[Jordan Kistner]

I know that my mom had mental health issues, and it took over my mom's life in many ways. There were many instances in my mom's life where she didn't have the power to take care of me. And there were many years at Penn Spy, and I had nothing to do with my mom. Like, I didn't know where she was. I didn't hear from her. I was unsure if she was even alive. So I've had a hard time growing up believing that my mom loved me.

[Stevie Lane]

But Devyn tells me in the last seven or eight years before her mom's death, that changed. Devin was in her mid-20s. And without explanation, seemingly overnight, Kelly started reaching out more. She would come over to help Devin with projects around the house, like painting cabinets. The two of them spent hours sitting together on the Couch playing Zelda.

[Jordan Kistner]

And I felt like I had my mom. I finally had my mom. I was an adult, but at least I had my mom. Two weeks before she passed, my mom just out of the blue said, do you want to go out and go do something together? And I was like, I don't know. Where do you want to go? And she's like, what about that place that has mini golf and go karts? And I was like, okay, then let's go. And I hang on to that moment. Somehow I feel like she knew that she wasn't going to be around for very long, and she was trying to spend more time with me and trying to do things with me.

[Stevie Lane]

As for the photograph and the strange circumstances of its appearance, I don't feel like it's weird.

[Jordan Kistner]

I just think that it fits my mom's personality to do something like that.

[Stevie Lane]

How do you mean it fits her personality to do something like?

[Jordan Kistner]

She. She believed that there's something beyond death. And I've never believed in ghosts or anything or anything after you pass, but if there is something there, my mom would definitely do something like this.

[Stevie Lane]

See, you think that this is almost like a missive from your mom.

[Jordan Kistner]

Yeah, I think that's possible. And I feel like this is her trying to say, I'm still here.

[Stevie Lane]

In Jordan's book, she writes that in thin places, quote, invisible things like music or love or dead people might become visible. Or if they don't become visible, they become so present and tangible that it doesn't matter. Like Devin, I'm not one to believe in ghosts. Yet after talking with everyone, I still don't know where the photo of Kelly came from. No one in Kelly's family can account for it. So after months of searching, the origins of this photo are still a mystery. But in what I see as a series of unexplainable events that began with Jordan sending a book and ended up here. Devin sees her mother, and it's precisely the unlikeliness of the events that she points to as proof.

[Jordan Kistner]

I just think if you look at all of the little pieces of how this happened, not just anybody would have reached out and tried to find the owner of a. I think it would have been tossed in the trash or pushed aside. I. I feel like it's like a treasure from my mom. That's how I feel.

[Stevie Lane]

Huh?

[Jordan Kistner]

Like my mom placed it there on purpose and got it into the right hands that would reach out to me.

[Stevie Lane]

I'd been thinking of this as a story about mail going to the wrong place, but listening to Devin. I wonder if it's actually a story about it going to the right one, to Amy. And yet, because the photo wound up in Amy's hands, Devin didn't get it for an entire year after Kelly's death. If Kelly wanted Devin to have the photo, why deliver it a year late? Why now?

[Jordan Kistner]

There have been times where I've really needed somebody to be in my house with me. And out of everybody in my family and out of all of my friends, my mom would drop anything to come and support me. And when she passed, I didn't have that safety net anymore. I had trouble at my job, and I had to take extra time off. But if she's still here, that makes a difference. It's not easy losing a mom. So having this feeling that she's still here and she's still with me is. Is amazing, right?

[Stevie Lane]

After a loss, there are lots of people to lean on. But as time passes and people return to their lives, you begin to feel that loss in a new way. Houses get cleaned out, clothes get donated, and all evidence of the person fades away. With the photo, though, Kelly has come back to Devon a year late, but perhaps right on time. Devin's grandfather, Dallin sr. Is turning 75 soon. Devin told me that they're throwing him a big party. She's been working on his birthday present for months, a new family photo album. And along with all the photographs she's collected, she wants to include this one safe among the other smiling faces of Kelly's family members, where surely it won't be lost again, now that the furniture is returning to its core Goodwill home. Now that the last month's rant is scheming with the damage deposit, take this moment to decide if we meant it, if we tried or felt around for far too much from things that act accidentally touch. This episode of Heavyweight was produced by me, Stevie Lane, along with Jonathan Goldstein, Phoebe Flanagan and Mohini Madgaon. Our senior producer is Khalilah Holt. Special thanks to Alex Blumberg, Mimi o' Donnell, Lauren Silverman, Maureen Taylor, Estelle Ivory, and all the incredibly patient people over at the usps. Editorial guidance from Emily Karl. Bobby Lourd mixed the episode with original music by Christine Fellowes, John K. Sampson, Blue Dot Sessions, Sean Jacoby and Bobby Lourd. Additional music credits can be found on our website gimletmedia.com heavyweight our theme song is by the Weaker Thans, courtesy of Epitaph Records. Amy has just written a new book, artificial A Graphic Memoir, about her father's efforts to preserve her late grandfather's identity using AI technology. You can find it at your local bookstore. Heavyweight is a Spotify original podcast. Follow us on Twitter heavyweight on Instagram heavyweightpodcast, or email [e-mail] youm can follow our show on Spotify and tap the bell to receive notifications when new episodes drop. And one will drop next week.

[Jordan Kistner]

Hello, Stevie's dad speaking.

[Khalilah Holt]

Oh, that was nice. Okay, great, Estelle, thank you so much.

[Jordan Kistner]

Hey, what is your show about anyway?

[Khalilah Holt]

ChatGPT plus is free for college students now through May. That means you have no limits on how many ways you can prompt ChatGPT to help you through the worst part of the school year. I spoke with producer and college graduate Khalilah Holt. Yeah, you can create any image you can think of in any style. Quick, give me an image.

[Stevie Lane]

Sylvia Plath Jinx Stand Up Comedy Ding.

[Khalilah Holt]

Sylvia Plath Happy at last. Thanks to ChatGPT. ChatGPT plus free for college students through May. Restrictions apply.

[Dallin]

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[Stevie Lane]

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