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Coming up in this episode.
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I think they've been experimenting against our will for the last three decades at least. And it is causing so much of the disruption that we are now blaming on climate change. Like we, it's, yes, the climate is changing. Yes, CO2 does have a role to play. Yes, we are polluting the shit out of the environment and that is doing something. And I believe that they've been running these experiments and that it's so easy for them to have no accountability. You are now listening to the Here for the Truth podcast hosted by Joel
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Rafiti and your awesomeos.
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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Here for the Truth podcast. My name is Joel Rafiti. I got my co host Erasmus with me, as always. How you doing, man? How you doing, bro? How you living? How's life?
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Life is great, man. Life is filled with so much beauty and love and connection and I love what we're doing, what we're building. I love these conversations that we get to have on the podcast. I, I don't take it for granted. I think it's a blessing. I'm. Yeah, I'm doing pretty well.
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Awesome, man. You know, traveling back to the motherland next week.
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I am, I'm looking forward to traveling back to the motherland and I don't know when this episode is released. I may start still be there or back. I'm not sure yet, but really excited for that. Haven't been back since 2020, 2023 when we decided to surprise my parents because Sophie, thankfully Sophie, she was like, Listen, your dad's 93. He could, he is healthy, but this could be the last time we go to Greece. And so we changed our plans and we flew to Greece and surprised him in 2023. And it was the last time I was in Greece with my dad. So I'm really grateful we took that trip, but haven't been back since bringing my mom there. So, yeah, looking forward to it.
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Awesome. Awesome. Today we have Ariana Victor joining us and this is an incredible conversation. We've wanted to have a conversation on this topic for a long time, the topic of geo engineering chemtrails. And she spent the last five years producing the documentary. Just look up on this particular topic itself. So we'll get into her hero's journey and then we get into the nuance and kind of debunking, demystifying and trying to find truth in this very convoluted subject which definitely circulates these truth of circles. She's an awesome human being and I think you guys are going to get a lot of value out of this for sure. We have our incredible community, Friends of the Truth. If you want to take a step deeper into our world, connect with honestly the best group of friends ever. Then you can head to herefor the truth.com forward/friends. Become a member, gain access to six or seven calls a month. Connect with us personally and also the incredible array of facilitators on a bunch of topics that exist within our community now. Gnm, human design, nervous system, Bitcoin, astrology, whatever it is, we're covering it. The things that you're into on this podcast, we just go deeper inside. Friends of the Truth. Please enjoy this episode. Ariana Victor is an investigative filmmaker on a mission to ask the inconvenient questions that shine a light on the hidden forces shaping public health, the environment, and human freedom. Inspired by her own health awakening in her early 20s, she became devoted to exploring the topics most often dismissed or outright censored. She's passionate about bold, research driven storytelling that challenges dominant narratives, sparks conversation, and inspires audiences to think for themselves. Wow. Absolutely love it. Ariana, thanks for being here for the Truth.
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Of course. Thanks for having me. I mean, if we're not here for the truth, what are we here for? So thank you guys as well. It's awesome to be having a conversation and I'm stoked to get into this.
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Oh yeah, definitely. So one way we always like to kick things off is really want to dig deep into your personal hero's journey. Some of the major rites of passage, the major, I guess, catalyzing moments in your life that really led you down the evolution of the path that you find yourself on today. And wherever you feel called to begin with, that is cool with us.
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Okay. Yeah, let's see. I mean, there's so many moments and I think, you know what was mentioned here in my bio, what really began my questioning mind of just questioning the narratives before us, the systems before us. When I was in my late teens, early 20s, I did have an eating disorder which led me into the heart of the medical system. You know, psychiatrists, therapists, and I really started to see the flaws of the medical system as far as it actually went to like getting to the root issue of how to heal us, what to do properly. And so I began to really challenge the system, challenged my therapist. They wanted me on a combination of every single drug possible. I was the only girl in the program that wasn't on a cocktail of different psychiatric meds. They wanted me on bipolar meds they went on antidepressants, anti anxiety. And a lot of the times it was rooted around this desire to. I would tell them stories about, you know, I'd be talking to my therapist, they'd be like, well, why are you tired today? And I said, well, you know, a movie idea came to me in the middle of the night and I had to stay up and write it. And they'd be taking notes and like, does this happen often? And I said, yeah, you know, when I, when I get my creativity, the sparks often come at night when I'm trying to sleep. And that's just how it is. And that was such an interesting thing for me because that was the moment that really, really catalyzed me into starting to think for myself. Because, you know, they told me in that minute, they said, you know, hey, I think I want to get you into the psychiatrist because this sounds a little bit like mania, bipolar disorder. Ideas are coming to you, you're unable to sleep. And I thought, wait, I'm an artist, I'm a creative. Is this really, is this really where we're going? Is this like, how many people are you pushing these meds on that just shut off their abilities? Whether it was something mystical, spiritual, creative. And it was in that moment that I had to make a clear decision for myself of like, I can't take these meds. I'm not going to, you know, let you diagnose me with something that could quite possibly turn off my creative instinct. And so that was when I was like, okay, let me see what else I can find. Where else can I find information? I started turning to, you know, healers, alternative therapists, people who had had this disorder and healed it themselves through nutrition, you know, real nutrition, not the RDA standard that they're teaching in the hospitals. And really recognized in that moment, at 20 years old, I'm going to heal. I need to take my health into my own hands. And just went deep into plant medicine, all of it. You know, it's been a 10 year journey of just diving deep into alternative therapies, alternative medicine. And, and in that, you know, I had a, just a passion for really questioning the system because I could see the way that it was, I guess, what's the word I'm looking for, Just really stifling the innate humanity and the innate, you know, spirit that's in us. And so that was just one spark of the beginning. And I could get into what really led my documentary work because from that point I thought I was going to become a naturopathic doctor and a nutritionist and, and was very passionate about healing others. And when I was stacked behind all my chemistry note cards on my way to naturopathic medical school, I was in college for nine years, guys. I'll just say that as a preface. People are like, why were you so much older when you got into all of this? I'm like, well, I was in college for nine years because I thought I was on the naturopathic medical track. And I was stacked behind my chemistry note cards, my biology, and I love the science. I love learning about these things that you can really understand the depth of what's happening. And, and I just looked at myself and I said, you know, if I become a doctor, I'm never going to have the ability to just run off and make a movie and travel this world and meet people and have conversations, as I love to do. And, you know, that being said, I've had a camera in my hand since I was 7. I stole my dad's high video camera, made it my own, and started making movies. I edited my first film at 12. So like I said, this filmmaker, storyteller, scriptwriter, it's always been a part of me. I just didn't really have have a clear focus. I didn't know that film could be a career. I didn't know what that was. But, you know, all these little pieces along the journey really have been creating this holistic picture for myself. And so at like 25 years old, I finally was like, you know, I can't go to medical school. I can't go to naturopathic medical school. Like, there's an artist in me. Like, I need to create, I need to tell stories. And so I switched the path entirely, applied to film school, Spent three years there. A whole world opened up. I felt really in path on purpose. The world of documentary opened up for me. And I realized that, you know, I wanted to tell real human stories. As awesome as narrative scripts are, that was like where my spark came alive. And once I graduated at 27 years old, it was the year was 2018, and the Bayer Monsanto Roundup trials were taking place. At the time, Lee Johnson was the groundskeeper up in San Francisco, and it was his job to spray Roundup. And now I'll backtrack just a little. I grew up with a stepfather who was a soil scientist. He was this man from the Netherlands came over, very entrepreneurial, very dedicated to saving this earth. He opened up a composting system in our county in California, Sonoma County. And so this was my Stepdad growing up. And, you know, I really had such a positive influence of the environmentalism and the work he was doing, his passion to save the world through soil, through regenerative farming. And so this was really. This was a seed that got planted in my younger years, starting in high school. And so I knew about organic food, I knew about soil health and the importance of that, but other than that, I didn't dive deeper beyond that. And it was when I graduated in 2018 that this book just called to me in the library called Whitewash. And it was Carrie Gillan. She was an investigative journalist. And Whitewash was the tale about corruption behind the world's most used pesticide, which was Monsanto's Roundup. And glyphosate specifically was the active ingredient in Roundup. So it's this entire book about glyphosate. Don't ask me why I was called to pick up this book and just nerd out, but this single book is probably what shaped my journey more than anything, because it was this book that I read. I learned about the depth of corruption behind Monsanto's company and the structure around GMOs, the pesticides, and. And just knowing that the USDA, the EPA, all of these giant institutional organizations within our own country, academia, how many of them were complicit in protecting these chemicals and these chemical companies. And that's when I learned about the Roundup trial. So, sorry, I got.
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No.
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Had to go back. Yeah, no.
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No worries. Well, I love that you said that about your stepdad, because I was gonna ask you the question, like, what inspired this? Because obviously we have this innate thing. You know, we're drawn to certain things, but a lot of times we have, like, things. A book, a family member that inspire us. So I'm happy that you said that about your dad. Can you talk a little bit about. Because, like, how did all this. When we think of this, like, totalitarian tiptoe, this thing that happens like these. How did these companies get so enmeshed in, like, the media, in the academic system? Like, when did this process take over? Like, I know we talk about, like, Rockefeller medicine, et cetera, but when we're talking about Monsanto, we're talking about these, you know, three letter agencies in the US like, what did this process, like, look like? And what did it start where we find ourselves now in this position where it's like, wtf?
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You know, wtf? W E F W H O? It goes all, you know, the. All the way to the top level of not just within Our country, but yeah, global. So that's a great question. And you know, like you mentioned the Rockefellers and the takeover of the pharmaceutical industries. And if you look at. Let's just go back to that. When the Rockefellers employed their spokesperson to go around to all the different educational facilities and start teaching the pharmaceutical model, the allopathic model of medicine, it was basically rewriting the textbooks that maybe once supported the alternative, more holistic herbal approaches to medicine that have been supporting the human biology for science centuries. And the pharmaceutical model, before Rockefeller was in medicine, they were in oil. So it's petroleum. What are these pharmaceutical products if not petroleum based? The pesticides in our food, they are petroleum based. It all comes back to this single oil petroleum model. And I'm not here to shame oil or petroleum. I mean, it's an incredible invention. We need it for many things. Um, but in some ways the pharmaceutical company, the agricultural chemical companies, they're directly connected. And so I think that was a catalyzing moment that just like really embedded it in. They're like, oh, if we can do this with pharmacy, we can also do this with everything else. And so just like they did that with medicine and rewrote medical textbooks, I think they did. They did the exact same thing with agricultural school. They began to reeducate farmers. So it was this re education process. So basically they're no longer teaching the traditional ways, they're no longer teaching traditional farming. Unless of course, you know, I think we're in this, we're living through a time that's there's so much unlearning occurring from the, I guess the indoctrination that's occurred because the corporations have simply been so strong, they've had so much power and money, and that's just what it comes down to. They've had the resources to deploy their ideology that helps protect and promote their products.
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Yeah, thanks for answering that. Okay, so what's next in your story?
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Yeah, what's next in my story? So 2018, I read this book. I'm so inspired. I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I knew GMOs were bad. I knew that they were disrupting our health, disrupting the soil. I knew pesticides were bad, but I didn't know anything beyond that. So when I read this book and just saw the depth of corruption of like, oh my God, the lengths that this chemical company goes to to protect this super insidious, toxic, toxic product fascinated me. And for some reason I just had a fascination with the shadows and so I said, you know, there's a story here. And because I knew that there would be a way that I could like pull in enough like, edginess to make it interesting and like, keep the audience's attention going. Because let's like, be real. When it sounds so boring, like a movie about a pesticide or a movie about whatever, it just like, it's so boring to me, like on a. Just a storytelling level where it's like, how can I make this fun? So that was always my goal from the beginning, was like, how can I tell this in an interesting way? And so I was like, there's a story here. And that's when I learned about the Bear Monsanto Roundup trials. So for the first time in history, Lee Johnson, he won a historical case against Monsanto. Lee Johnson, as I began describing in the beginning, he was a groundskeeper up in Northern California, right outside San Francisco. It was his job to spray this chemical on school grounds because not only are they using it in our food, but you know, they use it on landscaping. It was just a weed killer. But before they started using it as a pesticide in our food or a weed killer in our food, it was just, you know, an at home grass sort of thing. Get rid of the dandelions. And so he, it was his job to spray this across the school grounds. He developed non Hodgkin's lymphoma, which as they were able to prove in court, there was case after case after case of people who had been using this product. Farmers, groundskeepers, even just at home, gardeners who were developing these, these cancers. And is a very rare, um, I want to say blood or bone cancer? Bone cancer. I can't believe I'm missing that. But yeah, if. Do you know if it's blood or bone?
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I can't remember.
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Okay. But very rare and awful, awful cancer.
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Non Hodgkin lymphoma, I think.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so when they basically. So Robert Kennedy Jr. Was one of the attorneys fighting this, as well as a law firm out in Los Angeles called Bomb Headland. And they had won. It was $300 million against Monsanto, proving in court that their product Roundup had caused the Lee Johnson's non Hodgkin's lymphoma. And so I saw that come up in the news and I was like, oh my God, this is the story. And I'm like, wait, wait, there's. There's more cases going on. They're still in the process. So I was delightfully unemployed, having Just graduated film school and I had all the time in the world. So I was like, this is it. I just grabbed my camera and started. I drove up to San Francisco and I was like, I'm just going to, like, live outside the courtroom and see if I can get in as close as I can and befriend these attorneys at whatever means. And I'm making the movie on this. And so I every day just showed up in court and started following them around with my camera. And I had no shame. I remember there was a moment in the elevator where I'm like filming the attorneys and I set my camera on them, like pretending like I'm one of the news crews. I could see all the news people, you know, like very confidently walking around with their badges. It's like, oh, this is what they do. They just put their camera on people and like, okay, cool, cool. And I hadn't ever really done this in the real world other than film school. I get into the elevator, I still have this footage. The main attorneys that won these cases, they're literally looking at me. They're like, they're like, who are you? What company do you work for? I'm like, no, just me. It's just me. And they're like, okay, but who are you? I'm like, oh, I'm Ariana. I'm making the movie on this. They're like, okay. They're like, have a meeting with us.
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Wow.
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So they call me into their office in la and they were just so cool right off the bat. And, yeah, they kind of took me under their wing. And they're like, okay, like, if you're gonna tell the story, like, yeah, like, tell it right. Like, like, what are you about? Like, tell us, you know, And I gave them my backstory and they became some of my friends very, very, very quickly. And I started following them around as they were fighting. It was case after case after case. So right after the $300 million trial, it was $2 billion. And this guy was like, he was 36 years old. He was like a young buck attorney fresh on the scene, but just a brilliant, brilliant human who. He just had a photographic memory. And there was, I mean, just watching him perform in court. This is attorney Brett Wisner. Brent Wisner. And again, it was just like, in a way, a documentary dream, because not only were they these incredible, in my opinion, like, modern day superheroes that were taking on this giant David versus Goliath of a fight, but they were just such characters in and of themselves and just such like, good Hearted humans who really, really cared about protecting humanity and protecting the little guy against. Yeah, just these. These corporations that have no care for human health, in my opinion. And so that was, I guess, a huge, catalyzing moment. It opened up now. The film actually didn't end up getting produced thanks to all sorts of things in the pandemic, but we did pitch it. We were working with the team that created Cowspiracy. What the Health, Seaspiracy, and now Christspiracy. That was sort of my directorial influence in. When I was in film school, I had watched Cowspiracy go viral, if you guys are familiar with that film. And I had seen, you know, I was like, okay. I was like, here's a documentary. I'm like, this is just two dudes in a camera. But somehow, like, Leonardo DiCaprio, his name's attached to this. It's on Netflix, going viral like this. This guy is an animal rights activist and he's getting his message across in such a big way so that, like, people are turning vegan. I'm watching people, like, really change their actions.
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Bobby is vegan because of conspiracy over here.
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Yeah. So many people. It was so effective. I mean, such brilliant storytelling. And we were having debates and documentary of, like, you know, this isn't really real documentary. This is the guy with a bias. And I'm like, okay, no, no, no. This is a guy that has a mission in life and a passion, and he's trying to get the message across. And how effective was this? And so that was partly why. It's just like, I knew. It was like, if he can do it, I can do it too.
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So.
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So he really quickly became one of my first mentors and was supporting this roundup film. And that opened up my world to the world of clean food activism and just the reality of what was taking place. And again, how deep this goes. And the truth behind, like, the forces that are up against exactly what we're here for. The truth. The forces that are trying to protect the products that are very, very harmful. And they'll go at extreme measures and.
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Yeah, yeah. What is your personal view on why. On why they are doing this? You know, like, we all talk about it. We're all in this world. We weave in and out of these different conspiratorial circles, potentially a Reese alternative research. And it's like, I want to just know what your personal view of why this is. Why do we live in this inverted world? Why are institutions inverted? Why is education inverted? Why is spirituality inverted? I'm Just curious. Your personal thoughts.
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Do you want, like, my. I think you. I think I already have the answer. You want, like, my personal thoughts? Yeah, like, polished. Ooh, are we talking on the Jimmy Dore Show? Do I need to censor myself? Like, I'm just talking with my buddy like this.
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Okay, yeah, like, obviously, yeah.
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This is.
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You're not. You're not being interviewed for, like, Fox News or something right now, you know, Like. Like.
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Like, it's so funny. I have these different. I was on the Jimmy Dore show, and I'm like, people, like, don't talk about astrology. Don't do this. And you know, where it's like, you kind of have. Depending on.
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Yeah, we're, like, super into human design astrology. I mean, we. We can cover all the different angles. And at the same time, I totally understand. When you're in and out of different worlds, there's something called discernment. And I think it's a skill that you know what to say and when to say, depending on who you're around. And you're still authentic and truthful. It's just that you understand life is a game to some degree. And so how do you handle situations and tap into different parts of you in order to get your messages across, in order to have impact? And I think a lot of people don't fully understand that, and it's like they're just screaming from the rooftops, wherever they are, and it's like, well, that's not how the world works. And so you have to kind of be discerning. So anyways, but here, again, up to you. You can share whatever you want.
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Yeah. Yeah, great. I mean, at the. At the top, highest level of it. 1. Okay, let's go to. Let's go. Just get to the top, highest level. I believe that we as human beings are so incredibly, magically powerful. There is so much within us. Like, I believe that this outer matrix that we are seeing that is being projected onto us, it's. It's all a reflection of the inner matrix that lives within. Like, we are just beginning to tap into the. The root of neuroscience and. And, you know, work with Dr. Joe Dispenza and rewiring our brains and the ability that we have to do that and to actually take full. Not just our personal life, but even the world around us is so powerful and so exciting. And so I think there has been this. I want to say, like, I'm just seeing the vision of, like, a cloak being put over humanity. And for a long time, that's what I felt for myself. I had a deep, deep struggle. And I think why. I fought so many inner battles with eating disorders, depression, even like addiction, all sorts of things, like doubting myself. It felt like a cloak was put over me. And I knew that I was having this experience. It was. It wasn't just for me. It was like, this is happening to humanity where it's like we are being dimmed. Like our. Our power is being dimmed, our lights being dimmed, because something doesn't want to see us fully turn on. And I've just been like, that's the best way I can describe it. Where, you know, the power, the powers that be, the powers that were, whatever they are, they know that we are innately much more powerful than anything. And just like a good, like a pure heart and a person that's living in their mission and has the full energy, the health, the vitality, the vision, like, we can do anything. We are literally unstoppable. And so that's why I think we've been lied to. That's why I think, like, so much. That's the root of it, in my opinion. That's why I think so much has just been hidden from us and just. Just all the deceit and corruption.
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Yeah, I couldn't agree more. No, I love just seeing things from that bird's eye view of like, what the human spirit, what the human being is capable of. And, you know, people in power like to stay in power. They want to keep control. So, you know, how does one keep control? And then that's a whole nother conversation that we don't need to get into. But I appreciate hearing your take, for sure.
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It's like the spiritual war of it all. Yeah, spiritual war on humanity.
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Yeah. Because there is. We live in this dualistic nature of good versus evil. And like, you know, that runs through all of us. You know, there's a great soul Siniston quote. I forget the exact quote of it, but it's just like, you know, the capacity for certain things runs through everyone. And yeah, it's very interesting as we live in this world and we go through life and we are human beings and we dance with different parts of ourselves. Like, what do we choose ultimately? You know, what, how do we choose to live and how do we choose to behave and, and. And I think we're here to grow. We're here to learn. We're here to move through things. And I for one, feel blessed to be alive during these times. Uh, they're pretty. Pretty incredible and amazing and Wild as as hell as well. So.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can we for a minute talk about Nocebo?
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Sure.
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Yeah. I. I think it's really fascinating, just kind of on the note of, like, the innate power of humanity. And I've been looking at. And I know you guys have really been speaking to this across Instagram and asking questions about the truther community, because this is something that I think so many of us dove so deep into, especially for me during the pandemic, when your world went 80s and you're opening, you're like, oh, my God, everything I've been taught is a lie. And so we want to dive deep. We want to find the truth. And I think some people can get stuck in the. The darkness of it all and the shadow and the negativity and spreading awareness. And as someone I've. This is like, where I'm currently at. I learned about Nocebo, which was like the evil twin of placebo and how. And I think it's really interesting to speak on how that is potentially impacting the truther community, because where instead of believing in something positive where healing can occur without actual treatment. For instance, like, we see with the placebo all the time, you take the sugar pills and they're healing without the actual medicine. And even in Dr. Joe Dispenza's book, there's really interesting examples in you are the placebo where people go under for knee surgery. The doctor cuts them open. They don't actually do the surgery, but they come out and they're like, oh, my God, my knees healed. And they never needed the surgery after all. And just again, the power of the mind as it actually helps promote healing. And, you know, so as it's interesting to then look at with. Okay, so if we can do that with positive thinking, believing that something is healed, what is happening when we're constantly raising awareness on all of these issues? And like, again, I'm guilty of it too. I had to sit with this many times with the films I was working on, especially the geoengineering film, which I know we'll get into, but it's like to be constantly raising awareness on. On the shadows of this world and speaking to them. It's like how much of it, by placing our attention there, is actually helping fulfill their agenda of helping these negative things maybe potentially play out. Have you guys thought about this?
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Yeah. I mean, this is a huge element of my life and what Joel and I, you know, I think believe. And even our conversations on health, like, I. I personally think the physical is downstream from the non physical. And so you know, the how we perceive things, how we perceive ourselves has a big impact on our health. We've done many episodes on the work of Dr. Hamer and Germanic healing knowledge and it's just like it plays a huge role. And so you know, I am, I think many of us that have been in this world, we go through different stages and we go to different phases. So I think of me post 911 and like the things that I was focused on and I still care about raising awareness and at the same time I think some people are built differently. Some people can go into these subjects and explore these things and still stay grounded and still be optimistic and still feel good about things. And I think some people, the way their constitution is, they read one book and it's like they're down in the dumps, they're just nihilistic. They think the world's gonna end. And so it comes down to self knowledge and also to some degree, you know, being healthy where you can kind of dip your toe into some of the darkness and not let it take you down. Because I'm also not an advocate of like la la la, everything's perfect and great, like no evil's happening on this world. And so. But yes, at the end of the day, how we think about ourselves, how we think about the world, you know, what is our worldview, what is our self concept that plays an impact on what our life becomes and how our health ultimately, you know, unfolds in, in my opinion.
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Yeah. And I mean your, your deepest inner thoughts is ultimately a self fulfilling prophecy as well, you know. So like how do all these things impact your own personal sense of self concept, your sense of belonging in the world? And even. We recently did an episode 297 with Sophie Yos's wife where she's talking about how the majority of the truth seeker community is actually in a state of functional freeze because they feel like they can't escape any of these inputs that are coming out. Can't escape the pesticides, can't escape the chemtrails, can't, you know, so like what is this constricted nervous system capacity also doing to our ability to heal?
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Y. Absolutely.
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Yeah. I, I, I don't think, it's not like okay, don't, don't bring awareness these issues but at the same time like there are some things within our control and there's some things out of our control. Now some people like yourself are like yo, I'm making films, I'm doing my thing. I want to bring awareness to this. Yeah, it's amazing. But like, I don't. When I go outside and I see things sprayed in the sky, I look up and I go, you can't fuck with me. Like, you know, like whatever that is doing, you know what I mean? Like, of course I don't like it. I want it to stop. And like, I haven't chosen to make it my primary battle, you know, but if I go out every day and I'm like, oh my God, the water's poison, oh my God, the spraying, the skies, oh my God, what am I eating? I just went to a birthday party but I didn't get to bring my organic food and then I have to eat someone else's food and that. What is it going to, what is it going to do to me? Like, what do you, what do you think is going to happen? Like, we're way more powerful, we are way more resilient, we are way more adaptable. And so I'm not saying again to go to one extreme or the other, have the awareness, but like, you know, what's your relationship to self and how are you facing these things and how are you perceiving these things? Because if you're living in doom and gloom, if you think they're like poisons coming at you from every single angle and actually taking that in and believing that. Okay, whether it's true or not, to whatever degree, like it's going to have a negative impact on your health.
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Yeah.
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So it's like have the awareness and like do the inner work necessary to feel like you're capable to deal with these challenges that are in life.
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Yeah. And like you mentioned before, in terms of like the macro spiritual war, if the ultimate agenda is to like dim your light and siphon your life force and your energy, if it's so if you're just living in a black pilled state, like they've won, that's literally you conceding completely, you know. So these things need to be taken into account. Like how do you nurture your light, how do you nurture your energy? How you're able to dance between the darkness and the problems at the same time. This is why I think purpose is at the root of health for sure as well. And meaning is like if you're on purpose, if you feel like you have this in the quest and you're able to fulfill that on some level externally in the world, like to me that's what really nurtures one's energy and allows you to kind of balance and dance in between the dark and light as well.
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So. So how do you navigate that? As someone who's in this world, who does this, that. That brings awareness to all the. The negative things that are happening? Like, how do you. What's your personal process to, like, stay optimistic, to take care of your health, even though this stuff is happening?
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Right. For me, the. The main mantra that I've had to focus on over the years, which was really easy because it's kind of just innately part of my personality, but for me, it was play is protection. Like, playfulness is protection. Because there, like what you were saying, there is no sense putting yourself into this world, which I've seen it far too often. And again, I have so much respect and admiration for every single person who feels this fire within them to take on the role of advocacy again, whether it's fighting against the chemicals that are in our food supply or the pesticides, the chemicals in the air, the, you know, whatever they're putting into our water supply. I like the bravery and courage of activists to take this song. It's heavy work. No one is paying you to do it. We need that on one level to be actually standing up at, like, the institutional level, whether it's local or federal, like, again, applause to them. But what I witnessed again and again and again over the years of, like, I think it's been eight years now that I've been in this space, there was so much fear, so much anger, and I. I felt like. I, like you're saying, I could see just life being drained from these people. Like, the people that need the energy most, who are selflessly giving themselves to help protect humanity and help protect their loved ones. And so I said there has to be a different way. Like, how can we bring the joy and how can we bring the playfulness and how can we bring the humor in? Because for me, and. Okay, let's backtrack a bit. When I started making the Monsanto film, that was when I recognized the reality of the chemical companies that we were up against and how people who raise awareness, especially if you have credentials, like if you are a scientist or a doctor or someone who really has validity within mainstream consciousness, let's say someone that, you know, works within these institutions, those were who they would target the most. If you start speaking out against the narrative and have research that's valid, that's proving that their product is causing harm, they will come after you. I heard story again and again and again about death threats.
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I mean, crazy, like Wakefield, Andrew Wakefield, you know, oh, yeah, you know, he. Yeah, if it was some random mom on the corner talking about vaccines, like, okay, great. Be crazy mom.
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You know, even like, yeah. Kerry Mullis's mysterious death at the kickoff of 2020.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. One of the scientists, Dr. Eric Serolini, he was a renowned scientist in France. He starts proving. He does the first ever GMO study looking at rats, and they're coming out with these atrocious tumors. And, like, it went viral. It blew up. It was all over the news. And so they began really, really attacking. Not just his character, like, defaming him, trying to discredit him in any way possible. But he told me a story. He's on the subway one night, like, coming back from dinner with his wife, and he. Some homeless man comes up and injects him with a needle. And again, it sounds crazy. All the stories I've heard, they make these people, like, if you were to tell it to someone, you sound crazy. Yeah, Homeless man injected me with a needle. He ends up in the ICU for 21 days. And turns out what they injected him with is E. Coli. So it's like, wait, what homeless man is just running around with a syringe of E. Coli? Unless that's some weird setup. I don't know. But, you know, again and again, weird, weird, weird stories that former military personnel would tell me. Former, you know, soil scientists that were fighting, you know, Monsanto and. Yeah, just death attempts. And so I started to recognize the reality of, like, okay, they, they do want to silence these voices. And I just had to remind myself, like, you know, I'm telling these stories for a reason, that, you know, I'm. I'm safe. Like, I really put a bubble of protection around me. But when I got into the chemtrail film, the geoengineering film, all of that fear came back. And I think it was partly because of the pandemic. And I witnessed the intensity of how. Yeah, just how they were going after the doctors, the scientists, everyone on the front line speaking out. And just. It was very visceral. And I think a lot of us, there was a lot of trauma that we took in as a collective. And so that fear was in my body come 2020, when I began making the geoengineering film, and I had physicists reaching out to me, former military personnel, people who had been trying, attempting to speak about the subject for a long, long time. Now, in 2026, it's very much a mainstream talked about issue. But in 2021, when I first started researching, no one knew what geoengineering was at least in, you know, just everyday reality. And I would get calls and people, you know, do you know about direct energy weapons? They have the ability to. They know where you are at all times. They can, you know, send energy your way. Frequencies. They'll make you sick. You know, the last person that tried making films on this, we think he was suicided. You know, he got addicted to meth. But who knows what the real story was? All of these things, like, they'll come after you. And there was constant fear that was, like, being planted into me to the point where I was like, what am I doing? Like, why am I taking this on? Like, I don't need to tell these stories. Like, what is this really worth it? Is this worth your life? And I had this, like, crossroad point where I felt that this film was, so, I guess, guided from a higher spiritual calling. And we can get into that. Like I said, I did not choose to make this movie. Had I chosen to make this movie, I wouldn't have. I never would have. It was gifted to me. And we can get into that story in a minute. But let me stay on track of what I think. And so I had this choice point of, like, am I really supposed to do this because I was afraid? Like, I was like, I don't want to end up, like, this isn't my fight. Why would I. Why would I destroy, potentially destroy my health in the making of this film or my safety? And that was this message that really clearly came to me where I said, okay, there's a different way to do this. There's a different way to. There's a different way to navigate this work and move through the world of advocacy and awareness. And if we come at it from a sense of playfulness and perhaps even humor, if we can bring light and levity and even laughter to these atrocious subjects, I think we might be able to dismantle it far quicker than keeping people in this state of fear. And even though the fear and anger is catalyzing, it's like, how can we do it different? And I said, okay, if I'm going to do this, I not only have to, like, rewire the fear within myself, but I have to completely change the way that I'm even approaching this storytelling. And it just. So, yeah, the work became, how can I. How can I reclaim the light, the light within myself, and then, like, the light within the storytelling? And so that was a really fun process for me to bring that in. And so I think that's to answer your question, that has been my mantra. That's been my meditation of just playfulness, humor.
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You speak, you're speaking my language. You know, that's. I think playfulness and humor is underrated and I think it helps lead to a long life as well. Because again, it's like life is intense. Life, life is serious. We have to deal with a lot of things. We're human beings, we've been, we're here. And like if we're not finding the humor in it, like we've almost already lost it to some degree. Like that's just my personal opinion.
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Yeah, okay. Laughing why are we here?
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Well, yeah, exactly.
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C
I want to, I want to ask a question before we get into the documentary and how that came about. So like obviously we need healthy activism in this world. Yet at the same time activism is getting a really bad rap with the work mob and people just rah rahing over everything and maybe in meaningless ways as well. So like for you, what delineates the difference between like healthy activism and a lot of what we're seeing in terms of just like the endless irrational protesting on some level as well?
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Nervous system regulation. Like if you are not regulated, you are going to be approaching this world with such chaos. I mean, no matter what you're doing, but advocacy, especially because you're in a fight, like you are in the fight or flight. If your sympathetic nervous system is complete, just your nervous system in general, if it's dysregulated, you are going to be creating more chaos when you approach these subjects. Because those are the people that, from what I've witnessed, it's like they're. You're perpetuating the fear. You're perpetuating just the, the energy that is. I'm trying to find words like I.
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C
It's scattered.
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B
Have an easier time with energy than I do with language sometimes. So I apologize.
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No worries. You're doing in advance.
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But yeah, I, I think, I mean for a simple answer. It's just that that's what makes a difference. Nervous system regulation. So everyone needs to be doing self work. But how do we make someone. When someone feels that they have. This is the issue too. When someone feels that they have to take on the world, the last thing they do is look at themselves. They'll self sacrifice in order to fight the good fight. But really how can we fight the good fight if we are not taking care of ourselves first? So in order to fight the regulated fight, we really need to come back to self and prioritize that and Then go out in the world and if that's still what you feel called to do, then please, please, please be petitioning and raising awareness and all of this.
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Yeah, totally. I think when we're unwilling to kind of raise the flag of self, then we will wave any flag as a placeholder for that flag that we haven't yet, you know, been able to stake in the, in the ground, so to speak. For sure.
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And there's some shadow, shadow elements to the activist archetype.
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C
And the other thing is interesting, I think like with the healthy activist, like what I'm actually advocating for is genuinely chosen, whereas on the other side it's more ideological subversion. Whereas, like this is the only thing that I need to be speaking about and nothing else matters, you know, it
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becomes your identity and then you know what happens when that's challenged. So yeah, yeah, I mean, you hit the nail on the head. I mean, being a healthy self, a healthy person, first regulated, you're going to navigate life in a whole different way. You're going to navigate your relationships, you're going to deal with certain things, you're going to deal with yourself what comes up your triggers in a much different way, you know, but people bypass that. It's like, I don't need to focus on myself. It's like, oh, I'm such a good selfless person, you know, I just focus on everything external to me. Well, how, what's your life like? What are your relationships like? What's your health like? You know, so it's coming from an imbalanced place and it's unfortunate but you know, everyone's on their journey and. Yeah, okay, so let's, let's get into the movie and what inspired it.
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Yeah, okay. Yeah, so just look up, just look up was a five year journey. It was the last thing I would have ever predicted myself to be doing in 2020. So I guess what really started it, you know, my home state, California, specifically Santa Rosa, was my hometown. We were ground zero for the first of the anomalous wildfires to begin in 2017. The Tubbs Fire that hit Santa Rosa was the. The most catastrophic destructive California wildfire in history. But every year after that, they got worse and worse and worse and worse. At that time, I knew nothing about the lions in the sky, chemtrails. I mean I'd heard about the conspiracy, who hasn't? But I just knew nothing about it. But in that moment, something wasn't right about this fire. So there was like seeds being planted of just like, huh, something really Weird is happening. And flash forward to 2020. I'm living back at home during the pandemic and it's fire season in Northern California, and something just felt odd again. Like, I couldn't explain it. I was dehydrating myself. I didn't want water. I was like, what is up with this? Like, why am I not drinking the water? Like, why? You know, smoke is all around us. I'm stuck inside. It's the chaos of the pandemic. My nervous system, by the way, I am so dysregulated at this point. I was just learning about, you know, the pedophiles running the world. I, you know, realized that all of liberal media, which, by the way, at that point in time, I, you know, I went to liberal arts film school. I was so, like, I prided myself on being liberal. And right now, you know, it's what politics, like, it's all just one big thing. But at that point, like, I was so liberal, environmentalist, climate change activist. I would get my news from Trevor Noah. And that was part of my awakening as minute I saw Bill Gates, who I knew was bad, right, whatever. He plays a good role actually in the awakening, but bad in the sense of, you know, I didn't respect his. All the money he had put into Monsanto. And that was the film I was working on at the time. And when I saw him pop on and start promoting the vaccine and how this is going to be the main way that we help save humanity, is get everyone vaccinated. And Trevor Noah was supporting this message, I felt so betrayed. I was like, oh, my God.
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Like, Trevor, like, my people, my people. What are you doing?
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I was like. I was like, what are you doing? Like what? Like you're going down. Like you're going to do us like that? Like what? So again, my awakening occurred 2020, literally in that moment when I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Everything is a lie. Like, all of liberal media, the news, the this, that, okay? And that's when my process of unlearning began on a much deeper level. And so that's kind of where I'm at come October of 2020 and we're fire season stuck inside, not just from the virus, the pandemic, but also the smoke. And when I'm dehydrating myself, not wanting to drink the water, I said, what's up with that? I asked myself a question, why am I not drinking water? And a video flashes in my head something I had seen years ago. It was a time lapse that I had watched on YouTube where someone put GMO seeds right here and non GMO seeds and put it on a time lapse, and they wanted to see what the birds did. So I'm watching this video. The birds do not touch the GMO seeds. They completely consume all of the non gmo. And so it was just like the. Again, the intelligence of nature. How is a bird to know that one was GMO and one wasn't? They look identical, but it was just like, okay, there's something within my body intelligence that is picking up on something in the water that I don't want it to be consuming, that I don't consciously. I'm not consciously aware of. So I said, so what is in the water? As soon as I asked that question, this is no joke how it all went down. As soon as I asked the question. I just see, like, it's like heavy metals, aluminum. And I see lines in the sky. It's coming from the sky. It's getting into the water, it's falling into the soil, and it's poisoning the trees. And I just see fires. And I'm like, what? And I'm like, okay. And it's like it's causing the disasters. And I just see. I see what I felt was a whole. I saw a film lay out in my head, like an investigation that needed to be done. And at the end of this, this was the cool part that I really love. At the end of this vision, I see a guy with the camera in the red rocks of Sedona, which is where I currently now live. And I'm like, okay, what was all of that? I feel low key crazy. That feels like something I need to go pursue. So I don't tell anyone because at the time I'm working on different film. I don't tell anyone. But I just start going to Sedona. I start taking trips. We're all working remotely. And so I'm like, there's something there. This just felt so real, whatever that was. And I'm starting to slowly research on the side. And it very quickly led me into the conspiracy of chemtrails and geoengineering. And I'm like, okay, this is what I saw in my vision. You know, there is things. You know, there is aluminum and heavy metals getting into the water from whatever's coming down from these jet trails. Whether they're deliberately spraying, I don't know. This is a whole. This is kind of what I'm being asked to look into. It potentially is intensifying the fires. It's getting into the trees. Like, oh, my God. There is, like, what I saw in my vision. It's all here, but it's so wrapped up in this, like, chemtrail conspiracy and my ego. I was like, I do not. Like, this is not my story to tell. Like, why this is. I do not want to touch this. Like, I have Netflix dreams. Like, I want to win an Academy Award one day. Like, I'm on a good track. Like, I have Hollywood connections. I just graduated from one of the top film schools. Like, no.
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Like,
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there was so much resistance there. And again, like, spirit kept guiding, like, people into my life, where it was like, whoa. Like, this is a synchronicity I can't deny. Like, okay, doors just keep opening. Like, that's just leading me deeper and deeper into geoengineering land. And on my third trip to Sedona, I end up meeting a guy who's a cinematographer. And it was like, whoa. We met, and there's just, like, kind of this, like, that moment where it's like, you just feel like you know someone and very quickly realized that he wanted to make a very similar film was about all the same things I was about. And then within 24 hours, we realized that we were born same day, same year, same time, same hemisphere. So I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're a double Libra Rising Sagittarius. I was like, I'm a double Libra Rising Sagittarius. So send me your birth chart. He sends me his birth chart. I'm like, no. I'm like, wait, this is my birth chart. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We have identical birth charts. Every planet was the same degree. Every planet was the same degree. I'm like, wait, that's unheard of. That's like having the same thumbprint. And here we are. We want to make the same movies. We're into the same things. Your project is falling apart at the same time. My project's falling apart. Like, we're both, like, moving. Like, what is happening? And I was like, I'm pretty sure you're the guy that I've been seeing in my vision. Like, I'm pretty sure. Like, it only makes sense. And so it was just so mystical and magical and beyond anything that I could have ever made up again. Talk about life being a movie in a game. It was like, wait, this is the greatest movie that you could never make up. And so I'm like, there's something here for us. I think we're supposed to make this movie, as much as, like, everything in me was just resisting it of, like, I don't want to go there. So needless to say. Yeah, we. We. That we took our pandemic check money and just started traveling and hit the road, and we're like, okay, who can we talk to? And just. Yeah. That. It took off that way. 2021. Yeah.
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A
That's epic.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Is that. Is that when I met you? Like, did I meet you guys? Came to a gathering at our house, I think, in 2020.
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B
That was 2023. Okay, gotcha. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But Ryan was there.
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A
Yeah, yeah, no, I met Ryan. That's why I was. I. I thought I might have heard part of this story that, like, you had the same birthday or something, because it's somewhat familiar to me.
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C
So.
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Yeah, that's pretty cool.
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B
Yeah, it's. It's one of my favorite stories, just because, I mean, it was, like, insane. It was. Yeah. And it was just confirmation for me that there was something so much higher orchestrating whatever wanted to come, like, why this movie wanted to come through. And it was just like, okay, I just have to trust it and get beyond myself.
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C
Yeah. And what would be, like, the psychic cost and weight of, like, denying that and, like, shunning it and, like, never exploring that synchronicity, you know, like, which is how most people live, for sure.
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It's like the ego path versus the soul path. Because my ego path wanted nothing to do with chemtrails. Trust me. Like, yeah, you know, I didn't want to have to go through the. The death of identity that I had built up. But, you know, the pandemic was giving me a taste of it where I felt like I already have no choice. Like, the amount of film school friends and professors and people who started unfollowing me and, you know, we all had this very similar experience, I imagine, during the pandemic phase because I was very loud about vaccines and my stance on what was happening back then and the takeover of the world and with the agendas at play and no one wanted to hear it. And so it was like, okay, I'm getting a taste of it now. I think I'm just supposed to go full on. Like, not only am I the vaccine girls, like, all right, let's be the chemtrol girl. Like, all right, like, let's just destroy my.
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Take off another box of destroying the mainstream. Potential. Potential. Who knows? I mean, who knows what's going to happen down the road? You know, the world's in.
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B
We are becoming the New, but you're
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following your mission, you're doing your thing, and I think that's the most important thing. But I want to, I'm sure people can watch the documentary, but I also want to get into a little bit of this, because when you think of vaccines, you think of chemtrails. They're like two of the main subjects that people talk about and argue over. And, like, people love throwing, like, look at the chemtrails. Look at the chemtrails. So it's like. But then there's geoengineering, and then there's cloud seeding, and then there's weather modification, and then, and then you have a article coming out that they want to spray the sun to help with global warming. Like, what's. What do you know what I mean? Like, like, based on, like, these different terms, like, it seems like geoengineering is like the umbrella term potentially. And then there's all these other things there. And it's like, I, I, it's hard to know when you look up in the sky and you see the, the crisscrossing that I don't remember seeing when I was a kid, 30, 40 years ago. Like, what is that? And then when people say, oh, they're just contrails, like, what is that? You know?
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Okay, yep, yep. Trust me, this has been like the i5 years in this topic. This has been the thing that has gotten to me most. And Ryan, if he was here with, now, if he was here with us, he'd be telling. You'd be like, oh, my God. He's like, the amount of times that I wanted to give up on this being like, maybe these are just contrails. Maybe we are all crazy. Because I wanted to dive in. I wanted to understand the science of what the debunkers were saying. It's like, okay, I really want to get to the root of this to know what the heck I'm talking about and make sure that, like, okay, let's just get to the science, get to the facts. And so I got to a point where I just was willing to accept maybe these are just all contrails. We're all crazy. Like, everyone's wrong. Like, they are right. Like, okay, so I wanted to give up. I was ready to give up because of how purposely convoluted this is. And I say purposeful because I think, I think when it comes to a subject like this, I'm going to preface this actually with I've reached a point with this subject matter where I no longer feel that it's my job or duty to prove what is what. And like, all I can say is something is happening and trying to find like the, the truth of like the nuance of it. Like if you get stuck in the, the nuance, if you get stuck in all those little questions. I do believe that it kind of traps you in this like logicism and intellect and it traps you from here from like really seeing the big picture of like, okay, well like we're stuck arguing about this versus looking at bigger solutions and bigger things of like, okay, how do we actually do something about this? Like what can, what do we have power over? Back to what we were talking about early on. So, but to answer your question, I can get into all of that. Like yeah, the blanket term is geoengineering. Geoengineering is simply just. It's technology that's deployed that is here to deliberately manipulate the climate of Earth. So and there's so many different types of geoengineering. And there can also be accidental geoengineering as we're learning now. And that's what they are now admitting that they're now admitting after all these years of basically shunning and stigmatizing the chemtrail conspiracy theorists. And any person who talked about chemtrails asking questions about these lines in the sky, you know, these people just like their credibility, everything, their reputations, they were so just like people who spoke about vaccines. They, yeah, were just attacked and poo pooed and dismissed and they're like, oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist. Any person that was like, hey, there's something odd going on with these lines in the States sky. I think they're impacting our weather. I think they're impacting climate. Like something's happening. And now the mainstream media is admitting, yes, we are accidentally geoengineering through airplane contrails and that it is changing our weather and it is changing the climate. In fact, NOAA did a study in. I think it was actually. Yeah, NOAA did a study in. Sorry, it was either NASA or NOAA blanking on this. Like I said, I've been out of the world as I'm like focusing more on solutions now. But NOAA did a study, or maybe NASA, NASA did a study 1975 to 1993 and they were looking at the, they wanted to look at the direct effect on climate due to the synthetic clouds that were being created by airplane contrails. So they're admitting that the airplane contrails were creating artificial clouds and they wanted to see, let's see what this is happening with climate. So they studied from two decades, two decades long, 1975 to 1993, the effects of these airplane contrails all over all of North America. And what they found is that the airplane contrails did Increase the temperature 0.5 degrees per decade overall of North America. And they say in this quote that the airplane contrails could be or were directly impacting weather. And they said, let me get my words right, that these were causing this. Was it all of the warming that was observed over North America. They literally had that quote, all of the warming observed over North America could be attributed to these airplane contrails that were creating artificial clouds. So it was like, okay, so back in 1970, like 1994, they were admitting that all of the warming North America was seeing was being, being created by these airplane contrails. So that's interesting because we were only allowed to hear about, you know, CO2, and, you know, arguably there's CO2 in the airplane contrails. If it is just the contrail, it's helping contribute. But again, so just all these weird inconsistencies where two decades later NOAA comes out and does the same study, and suddenly these airplane contrails are now cooling North America. So. And they weren't admitting to geoengineering at that point. But I'm looking at, okay, the science behind it. If we're putting chemical. What would have caused these contrails to go from warming to cooling, if not putting a chemical deliberately, some sort of particle, something in it that you can do that with. Science, you can create, you know, you start adding sulfur to the jet fuel, it will create a cooling effect versus a warming effect and stuff like that. So you add aluminum to the jet fuel, now it's reflecting the sunlight more, so it's now actually shifting, you know, creating a cooling effect. So there's just so many different methods of geoengineering. So some is, yes, the deliberate spreading of our sky with reflective particles, which is really what a lot of people, when they're pointing to chemtrails, that's what they're seeing. That's sai. So stratospheric aerosol injection, there's solar radiation management. My opinion on all these fancy terms is just like, I really do think they have deliberately created confusion, because in my opinion, I think they've been experimenting against our will for the last three decades at least. And it is causing so much of the disruption that we are now blaming on climate change. Yes, the climate is changing. Yes, CO2 does have a role to play.
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Yes.
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You know, human action like we are polluting the shit out of the environment. And that is doing something. Absolutely. And I believe that they've been running these experiments and that it's so easy for them to have no accountability for the possible catastrophic side effects that they openly talk about should this technology ever be deployed. They say that should this technology ever be deployed. And the reason they haven't deployed it yet and the reason they're still debating, they've been debating for 30 years about whether they will or will not deploy. Deploy it. Because the catastrophic effects or the consequences could be so catastrophic that that's why we mustn't do it. So that includes disruption of rainfall. That could be drought in some areas, crazy monsoon in other regions that never experienced it. It could be increased temperature. It could be, yeah. This is actually a quote, catastrophic heating. Worse than it was initially because it would destroy the ozone so much. These chemicals, these particulates, just crazy things, unpredictable storms. And I'm like looking at all of these side effects just like as if you were reading a pharmaceutical that you're about to take and it's like, okay, maybe I'm taking a pharmaceutical for constipation, but it could cause bleeding from the eyes and whatever. Just the most extreme death, like heart attack. This, that, that. It's like, oh my God, I was just trying to stop my constipation. And same thing with geoengineering. It's essentially the extreme pharmaceutical model being thrown at the planet. So we're just trying to stop the heating. But in trying to stop the heating we are again doing all these things, disrupting the rainfall, shifting weather patterns entirely.
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A
And it's, it's such short term thinking and like whack a mole. Like, oh, let's do, let's fix this one thing. And then all these other things come up like, oh, what are we going to do about that? Like it's anyways.
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C
Yeah, it's like, yeah, again. Yeah, yeah. It's like allopathy applied to, you know, the ecology and that. So did you come across any genuine whistleblowers in your journey? Like, are there specific pilots who are kept secret and are deployed to fly these planes and spray this? Yeah.
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A
Or they just. Or is it just, you said that's added to fuel and so just normal planes are doing their thing. Like, I'm just curious.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Your thoughts?
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B
Yeah. And again, you guys, I went so deep because for me, as a, as a, the journalist in me was like, I need fact, I need credibility. Like get me what I can prove.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And there are some whistleblowers. But it wasn't like a topic like, when you're taking on the Monsanto glyphosate discussion. It was very few and far between. There were people that were talking about it. Did they want to be on camera? No, because they had experienced so many threats. And, you know, so I did come across some people who were like, as soon as we started talking, they would say, yes, like, I'll be a part of this documentary. And again, these were some of the people that I mentioned at the beginning that really did implant some fear in me because I believe what they were experiencing was true. So they'd call me back and be like, hey, I. I can't do this. The minute that we started talking, like, my computer is getting. You know, there's just weird things happening. I feel like I'm getting attacked by frequencies. I feel like energy weapons are, like, on my house right now. And again, like, I know all this stuff is real. I know this technology is real and that exists. And from the very beginning, I, like, put out a prayer. That was just, like, bubble of protection. Like, this stuff will never. This. This has. No. This does not exist in my reality. But I know it's real. And so I don't discredit the people that are experiencing these things. And so I came up across against that a couple times where it's like, I think I'm about to, like, have a credible voice in the film. And they're like, I cannot be associated in any way. And there are credible voices in the film. People, you know. Dr. Francis Mangles is a USDA biologist. There are scientists and people. But I think in some ways, like this topic, like I said, there's just something so convoluted about it. And I'll be the first person to admit, like, I cannot, after spending five years researching, I cannot prove, without a doubt, Like, I don't feel that I have, for me, clear enough evidence because the science is so conflicting. There's just conflict. There's a lot of conflicting science. And I do think, and I know for a fact, that a lot of these chemicals and particulates are being added directly into the jet fuel. So that could be it, too, where there isn't some grand conspiracy of. Not that I necessarily believe this, but it could be true, that there isn't a grand conspiracy where, you know, they're not deliberately spraying the sky with the. The aluminum, but that is added into the jet fuel. And so it is just regular pilots doing their job, flying commercial planes, normal planes with Passengers and everyone, you know. Yeah, just everyone's on their merry way. And it's creating that effect where it's creating the, the, what is it called? The artificial cloud. That is the persistent contrail. And that persistent contrail is then the, the aluminum is raining down on us. And there's also cloud seeding. So cloud seeding that also is visible. You line the sky and you can only do this. So they say, they say that you cannot create clouds out of thin air. Even though we see them creating clouds out of thin air, but they're dry clouds. There's no, there's not the moisture in them. A lot of the clouds, because it has all the particulates. Aluminum being a desiccant, it actually absorbs the moisture. So we are pulling moisture from the air. Like we are, we are creating kind of like bone dry clouds in a way. So they say that we can't create clouds, but when real clouds exist, we can then seed the clouds to create bigger clouds that hopefully rain. And so this is where again, the science is all fluffy. They're like, well, there's no guarantee. We don't know. We've been studying this. La la la. I don't know, it's hard to tell. We can't really study it. Maybe it would have rained with it without it. But what's notable about the cloud seeding is the flare itself because everyone's talking about the aluminum, the barium, the strontium, and how when we test the water, that's what's really prominent and that's what's especially the aluminum. It's like one of the stated ingredients that would be very effective for blocking the sun because of its reflective ability. That's what's raining down on us. And cloud seeding, Cloud seeding flares. This is out in the open. One thing that you can prove, they talk about silver iodide as the active ingredient, which is relatively non toxic. It's questionable, but relatively non toxic compared to these other things. And so that's the only thing similar to Roundup, you look at Roundup, the only ingredient they talk about is glyphosate, but they don't tell you about the arsenic, the, all the surfactants, the things that are actually even much more toxic than glyphosate. That's in the formula itself at much higher quantities, but because it's inactive, they don't. It's the proprietary ingredient. It's like, you know, the chemo. Sorry, the company secret. They don't have to disclose it. So Same thing with cloud seeding. A lot of the cloud seeding flares have the incendiary ingredients which are helping the cloud, the flares burn faster. So that being the aluminum and I believe strontium is one of them other things. So then that rains down on us. And what happens when incendiary ingredients that are helping flares burn get into our soils, get into our forests, on top of our trees, at an already at risk area region like California that's so dry, we're now creating an environment that is more flammable. Like these things are proven.
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A
So yeah, it was really interesting. I live in Southern California in the Los Angeles area. And I remember like 2022, 2023, we had crazy winter rains. I mean it was insane. I mean, we had some damage on our property. And I remember looking something up online. I think they were doing some type of cloud seeding project. Then it was followed up by I think 2024 into 2025, like the driest, like the driest period we had. And then of course we had the fires that happened, you know, last year. So it's just, I don't know, it's just to my mind, I'm just doing my thing to connect dots of like what caused such, these fluctuations in weather where it's like then you have these amazing, these crazy winds, which. The winds were the worst I've ever seen since I've been in la. And it's like this perfect storm for something to happen, you know. And again, I'm not saying it was deliberate. I'm not that person that's like, oh, direct energy weapons shot down and started the fires. Like, I mean, I was here, living here, if I just happened to like be smoking a cigarette and threw it down issue would, would have gotten crazy, you know. But then all the stuff you're talking about, you know, what chemicals are in the environment, in the trees, in the brush that are, you know, causing these fires to be more intense potentially.
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C
Stuff. Stuff. Smoking yours almost.
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A
I don't smoke. I was saying if, if I was smoking.
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C
The problem, the problem is, is like it becomes so convoluted because then like the conspiracy mind comes in. And then whenever there's like a year with like a, you know, variation in a weather pattern or extreme thing, you know, then all of a sudden there's like this self gaslight thing that comes in as well. Whereas, like is. Is. Are they doing something or am I just like overthinking things? So the, the topic really blurs our relationship with, you know, the natural ecosystem as well in that way.
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A
Well, there's the, there's the knee jerk reaction too of the so called truther that thinks they know everything, that has, they have all the answers. And it's like even like, you know, in the fires of last year, like, I mean, I'm dealing with my home potentially burning down and I have friends that are like messaging me the first day and the second day. Oh, it's DW direct energy weapons. I'm like, okay, bro, like it's day two. Like, you know what's happening. Like, I'm trying to make sure my house doesn't burn down off, you know, like, it's just, I don't know, it's the certainty. That's why I really appreciate you. You're someone who's interviewed all these people, you created a documentary and even now have the humility to be like, hey, I don't really know exactly what. And yet there are people that don't have the education that you have, that haven't been creating something and building something, and they're sitting their home in their mom's basement, or not even their mom's basement, and they're just like, like, oh, I have the answers. Like, these are the people that I distance myself from, the people that live. Like, they have all this certainty and they have to, they have to convince you that they're certain.
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B
Yeah. And sometimes I do have the certainty. Right. Like with certain topics it's like, no, no, I've seen the research. We got the receipts. It's like, of course this my best friend, she's always like, you are so impressive. Your ability to just memorize random facts that like, no one should be holding on to. I'm like, I don't know why. But it's interesting because when it comes to geoengineering, people now are positioning me as this expert. Of course, yeah, I spent five years making this film. But I actually don't feel like I know, like, like I brought up the Jimmy Dore show recently because that was the last podcast I was on. And he has a very big following. It's like in the millions and it's very conservative and you know, so it's a particular group of people. And the first question he opens up with, I was like, oh my God. I was like, I hate this question. And I like got tongue tied right away where he's like, who is doing this and why? And I'm like, oh, I don't know. Like, I mean, we can, we can theorize about so many possibilities. Yeah, it's military. There's this. There's maybe that commercial.
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A
It's the aliens.
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B
Yeah, I like that one. That one, like, helps me make sense of it all, you know, like, that's it.
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C
But the premise of the question is coming from absolutism in and of itself, you know, which makes it tricky. So I want to ask this question. When we see the persistent tic tac toe lines in the sky, that's. Is that ever just like a passenger jet, like a regular plane
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B
again, Back to my ability to like, hold it all in the nuance of this big, grand topic. Some days, maybe. Maybe, yeah. Like, especially in la, right? You're constant. There's constant planes. Like, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of air traffic. So people say that the persistent jet contrails. We see these lines in the sky more and more and more because air traffic has increased. That's a fact. You know, we do have more planes flying than we did 30 years ago, I'd imagine. You know, it's like, okay, so that can. That tracks. They do say that when the air is more humid, that's when the contrails will stick. There's always a. They say there's always emission coming out. There's always these particulates in the admission, but they don't always form into a cloud unless it has the perfect atmospheric sort of constitution. Yes, thank you. And so that's where they can really, like, stop the conversation with science. They're like, this is the science. You can't argue with it. This is what's happening. And it's like, okay, yeah, I'm sure that is true. And that's why we do see some persistent jet contrails that really are just persistent jet contrails from a plane. Some people, it's just one line across the sky and they're like, the damn chemtrails, they're poisoning us all. And I'm like, I don't know. I think that's just a plane. And you see that all the time in the conspiracy space and the activism, geoengineering space, where I'm like, I really think that's just a normal plane. But this is like when you have to come Back to if 2020 taught me anything, with all the disinformation, misinformation, censorship. It was so hard to tell, like, what is what, truth from fiction. I had to cultivate such a deep relationship with my intuition. Like, that was my main takeaway of 2020, of like, now more than ever, this is back to humanity, like, tapping back into themselves. Tapping back into our own, like, internal operating systems, recognizing that we are more powerful than all of the technology out there. If anything, the technology out there is being modeled after and reflected after what's already in our own nature and biology, which is the cool thing, like the computer being like our brain and all these things. So I'm like, okay, let's tap into, like, how do we cultivate our inner system that can be our own fact checking system? And like, what does that feel like? And so for me, when it comes to these things, I just had to keep feeling into it and being like, there is something happening in the sky. Can I say exactly what it is? No, but it's. There's days that happen. I live here in Sedona. We don't have an airport here. It's not like Phoenix, it's not like la, the closest airport, we have a very small airport that's like private jets only. And then there's Flagstaff, an hour north. Then we have Phoenix, but we don't have planes flying over us all the time. However, we'll go weeks, like beautiful blue skies, big puffy clouds, and then one day you just wake up and the sky is decimated. It's like, oh, what is happening? It's just line, line, line, and all day and then suddenly the sky is just white.
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C
Yeah.
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B
I'm like, okay, this is not normal. This is not regular commercial air traffic. I can say that without a doubt, even if there's no proof.
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A
That's my, that was my question. And I'm happy that you brought that up because it's like, I live in la. Like, sure, there's weather fluctuations. You mentioned before that the sign says, like, well, it's got be the perfect community. But there are days where it's like the day is the same, like from a, from like atmospheric standpoint. Again, I'm saying this as like a lay person, but I'm like, okay, it's warm, it's hot, it's not humid, and the tic tac toe is there. Then three weeks later, for two, four weeks, it's perfectly clear skies. So, like the, the explanation that it's air traffic, like regular air traffic, I'm open to it. And at the same time I'm like, but like, is there that much variability in like the planes that are flying over la? That's where I go. That doesn't make sense to me for sure, you know, so it's interesting.
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B
They can explain anything away with science. Like, again, 2020 showed us there is science for whatever we want to believe. That's kind of what I'm realizing. They can make up science for whatever truth, reality we want to live in, whether it's real science. I mean. Yeah, that's a whole conversation.
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A
So. So how's been, like, what's been the response to the film? I mean, I know you did a screening here in LA that I unfortunately couldn't come to, but. Yeah, like, what's been the feedback? What's next for the film? How are you feeling about how everything's unfolding?
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B
Yeah, the feedback has been phenomenal. It was kind of like, yeah, highest. Highest vision of what I could imagine. My goal for the film was that it would play the bridge role for people who otherwise have never considered this topic, never asked questions, have maybe only thought of it as a conspiracy theory. And again, I'm not here. The film is not proving one thing or another. Like, it stays pretty nuanced. It's like. I would say it's kind of like the intro kit to just a different narrative from not only the chemtrail narrative, but also the climate change narrative and just opening up our minds to, like, there's something more going on and we need to ask deeper questions and pay, like, yeah, just look at the narratives that are running our lives and shaping our view of this world. And so I had a lot of feedback from people who, you know, have never considered this and they're just like, this was a beautiful film. Like, this really opened my eyes and. Yeah, so overall, incredibly positive. They're not a single, like, attack. Again, I think I just. My intention with it was to layer it with prayer. And I wasn't trying to fight any system. Like, I'm not challenging. Like, I'm not here to challenge the system with the film, but I am here to challenge our own thinking.
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C
Yeah.
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B
So that was my intention and it's been beautifully received. It just won the best feature documentary at the Santa Monica Film Festival at the Directors Guild of America Theater, of all places, is where it screened and premiered. And I'm like, never would I have ever imagined that the chemtrail movie would be screening at the DGA and receiving an award. So that was very. Just full circle. I felt very complete. And we're going to be launching it online in August. So it's not up currently, but in August I've partnered with Rob Herring of Earth Conscious Life and Health Secrets is also helping distribute. So we've created an impact kit. The film is free to view. And if you want to dive deeper into resources and just solution Based thinking from everything, like working with the sun as medicine. We interview Carrie Bennett and just beautiful, beautiful people who are using hemp to remediate the soil and pulled the aluminum out of it and detoxing our own bodies. We have doctors. And so this is just an educational kit that we created in addition to the film. And so if you want to dive deeper, people can purchase that and it helps support the creation of more media. Because this was a fully independent journey that a lot of it was self funded. I was definitely, I was blessed to receive some large donations that believed in the vision and was able to carry this project forward. And that's the goal is just continue to. The film is out there. Like I felt in the process, the way that I perceive making films and especially as a woman, I really treat these films as if they're my babies. And it felt like, you know, when I'm creating it, it's like the gestation period, gestation period. And it's like, oh my God, no wonder this was like such a heavy weight to carry. It was like five years just in the womb and it got birthed and brought into the world and it's like, okay, I can, I can do enough to nurture it, but ultimately it's gonna grow up to take on a personality and form of its own. And you know, and so.
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A
Yeah, that's amazing. What am I saying next? Well, what do you.
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C
I've got a question. So like the, the body's like issuing like the award for the film. Like, are they like normies? Are they judging the film? Like, is, are they like compartmentalizing the content in order to like say, oh no, this is a beautiful documentary. Like, how does this bias, like, how does that work? Because, like, it's a little bit surprising. Like, that's awesome. Incredible. And like, how does that happen is my question.
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B
I would say they are, they, they aren't normies. I would say they're, they're one of us in a normie world. So they actually, they've been running their film festival, the Santa Monica International Film Festival. I believe they've been around since the 90s. So it's like a renowned, well known film festival festival and it's run by a husband and wife. And yeah, they actually lost a lot of donors because when the pandemic occurred, they began supporting voices like Mickey Willis and you know, films with Andy Wakefield and just the films that otherwise didn't have a platform. They were like, okay, we're still gonna, you know, promote the films that we normally promote. The cute little narrative stories, whatever, that have been a part of this festival for decades. But also these stories need a platform and we are here to champion these voices. And they said that they lost so many donors and so now they're kind of operating on more independent terms as so many of us. This is like the new earth where I think we're learning different ways to get really creative with finances because people who were otherwise in mainstream corporatism who did start to speak out or change their tune, lost backers or donors. And so it's been really interesting to witness the resilience of different organizations and different people as they just like charge forth with the courage to, you know, stay on this path and support these voices.
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A
Yeah, a couple, I think a couple of Mickey Willis films have won as well. So it's. I went to one of the, I think premieres. I forget which one it was. It might have been the short, the short film that they did.
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C
It was Pandemic too. I think that you went to that.
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A
No, I think it was, it wasn't Great Awakening. It was one that I think that Deepak was like performing into. I think it was a short
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B
that would have been Planemic. The Musical.
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A
The musical. That's what it was. I think I went to that one too. And there might have been another film that I watched there as well. Yeah, I mean, it's great. It's amazing that they're, you know, they're supporting these films and that they're winning awards because they're deserving. They're deserving of awards. So amazing. Well done.
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C
So is. Is there a, I guess a subject since that has captured you in terms of where you might be turning your attention next or you go on vacation
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A
for like a year?
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B
I, I wish, I wish I gave myself a little break. But very quickly it turned into. I'm actually working again with my mentor and we are working on a film about cleansing. So. So we are actually currently leading people through a 40 day health transformation. And it's full body reset from everything. And so, yeah, nerding out about the nervous system and neuroplasticity and you know, brain rewiring and pulling these toxins from the body. How do we measure the before and after of the heavy metals? And so that's, I mean really, it's the solution based thinking, like it's everything solution. Because I spent so many years in fix focus on the problem and I actually watched my own health decline. I watched myself get so dysregulated through the process that as I. As I began to heal, this was the interesting thing, as I began to heal because I was entering crisis mode with my own mental health in after the pandemic, working on these films, feeling that this was like, my fight to carry. I had entered warrior mode and it was completely destroying, like, especially my femininity. Like, as a woman, I'm like, you know, like, men can be warriors, yes. Like, they need softness too. But, like, as women especially, it's like, I'm not supposed to be, like, carrying this sword around and wearing this heavy armor. Like, there's a softness in me that needed to come out. And the more that I began to cultivate a relationship with my femininity and soften myself, the less appealing this fight I would say that I was in became. So that was where I really had to sit with myself in this crossroad of, like, am I. Am I going to continue force forth with this story, or is this story going to. Like, does telling it impact my health? Like, am I getting sick because of the work I'm doing? So I said, how do I. Like, I'm committed to this work. I'm devoted to this. The making of this film taught me more about commitment and devotion than any relationship in the past ever had. And it actually, in some ways, in a funny way, prepared me for marriage. Like, I feel that having stuck with this movie and, like, finishing at all costs, like, no matter how hard it got, like, working through, like, okay, shifting the energy, what do we have to do to change things? Like, I'm committed. I'm staying. Like, I'm staying the course. Like, I'm carrying it through. I really felt like I am now prepared to be in a committed partnership. Like, I'm ready for my husband. Like, I'm ready for that next phase. Like, you know, and it was very funny to witness the deep, like, life lessons that it was teaching me. And so in that, as I healed, yeah, I just had to shift the storytelling. And so those types of topics are actually less appealing to me now. Like, the deep research into the shadows.
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A
You might be getting some DMS from our audience members now after you just said that. So I.
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B
Well, I actually met him, so.
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A
Okay, great, great.
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B
No longer available.
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A
Okay, cool, Great.
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B
We found him.
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A
That's so cool.
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C
Incredible. I really, really, really appreciate you sharing. Cool. I guess. Do you have any final words, like a closing message that's coming forth as we wrap this one up?
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B
Let me sit with that. Let's see. It's so simple. I guess what's coming forward is nothing like, profound. It's just the simplicity of. Yeah. Touching on that softness and, like, the times that we're living in. Because I think we can get so caught up in here in social media, and I love social media still. Like, as noisy as it's become and as weird as this AI world is getting, and, yeah, like, there's something still, like, at the root of it. It's like we still are just such, like, we're just animal. Like, we're our human beingness. Like, we're. We're such sweet creatures. And I love humanity so much, and I think that's why I care so deeply about this work. I love this earth. I love humanity, and I want to see us thrive, Earth and humans. And I think, you know, just a. Just a reminder of, like, how. How much good still exists in this world. And Joel, you had an amazing post that really stuck out to me of, like, for every bit of geoengineered weather, there's still, like, a thunderstorm rolling in. That's just, like, beautiful that you can watch from the porch. And for every person using AI to write whatever, there's a husband that's reciting love poems to his wife in the kitchen. And it was just this beautiful thing of like, okay, no matter what shadow exists, there's the direct opposite. I'm getting chills. For all the shadows that exist, there's a direct opposite that completely counteracts that. That is just like, love and light and humanness and authenticity, and it's just raw and real and, like, who we really are in essence, despite this weird, distorted, technical world. And this is the split that I'm seeing where we have this choice point of what world are we going to exist in? And it's, where are we putting our awareness? Where are we putting our intention? And we always have a choice to focus on what is real, focus on what is right in front of us. And yeah, just. Just a reminder like, that, I mean, yeah, the shadows are real, the shadows exist. But we can always come back to truth and what is. What is truth for us and to, like, really feel that. And truth is. Truth feels good. It doesn't feel heavy.
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A
Yeah, there's such beauty in this world too. So, yeah, it's like, can't lose sight of that now.
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C
You can't lose sight of it, you know, And I mean, again, witnessing the beauty without starts with being able to perceive the beauty within. And I think that's the work that we're all being called to do. And that's what the riddle work is. Is remembering the beauty that is humanity and the specialness that is humanity and the fact that we exist and all the good that we have done on this planet because we've all grown up with all this conditioning on this programming that humans are like a plague that exists and, you know, the earth will be thriving without. But like, where did all that come from as well? You know, it's like, where do we go in taking stock of all the incredible inventions and innovations and greatness and growth and things that cultivate thriving on this planet that we have done as well, you know? So I think, again, it's important to hold those things in balance and that's what really matters. So I love your closing message. Thank you so much. We appreciate you, we appreciate who you are, the journey you've taken, how can people support the film and whatever else you might have happening?
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B
Let me think of that question. Well, if they go to justlookupfilm.com they can type in their email. And that's just one way to stay connected and be the first to know. I don't know when this podcast will get released, but the first to know when it does get released in August. And when that happens, they can support the film by, you know, purchasing the Impact Kit, if that feels called. You know, if you're excited, we do have donation links as well. That is always helpful and so appreciative and yeah, I mean, follow along the journey. Yeah. As it takes place.
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C
Yeah, perfect.
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B
Come, come say hi.
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C
Perfect. We'll make sure that link is in the brief as well as your Instagram. Ariana, thank you for your time. Everyone else, thank you for listening and we'll see you next time.
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B
Thank you, guys.
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C
Thank you so much for hanging out with us for another 90 minutes. We appreciate you all so much and just the time you take out of your day to dive in, listen and just think and consider these various, you know, topics of importance that do exist. And just the quest for truth in and of itself is a journey undertaken by the few. And I think if you're listening to this podcast, you definitely fall in that category of the few. So this is us honoring you for being here. If you haven't yet done so, check out our free seven day mini course, the Self Esteem Reset. Diving into the foundational pillars of what really constitutes healthy self esteem, which is a ripple effect into every single area of your life. Originally formulated by the father of psychology, Nathaniel Brandon, this mini course itself is
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A
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C
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