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Episode: Inside ICE: Recruitment, Congressional Accountability, and Absolute Immunity

Host: Sharon McMahon
Guests: Elise Labott (Journalist), Rep. Angie Craig (MN-2), Liz Oyer (former DOJ Pardon Attorney)
Date: January 26, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode dissects the sweeping changes and controversies around ICE’s recruitment campaigns, enforcement tactics, and accountability—or lack thereof—under the Trump administration. Sharon McMahon and her guests examine disturbing trends in ICE messaging, the agency’s ties to extreme imagery, congressional responses, and the legal reality behind claims of "absolute immunity" for ICE agents. The show aims to clarify misinformation, expose the consequences for families and communities, and empower listeners with actionable knowledge.

1. ICE’s Wartime Recruitment & Propaganda

Guest: Elise Labott, journalist
[03:26–17:49]

Key Points

• Aggressive Recruitment Campaigns:

  • ICE launched a $100 million recruitment drive using nostalgic Americana imagery (e.g., Norman Rockwell paintings), aiming to reshape public perception of immigration enforcement.
  • Slogans: “Protect your homeland, defend your culture”; selective quote use, e.g., Calvin Coolidge’s "those who do not want to be partakers of the American spirit ought to not settle in America."
  • Use of Civil War and WWII iconography—Uncle Sam, idealized Americana scenes—alongside coded nationalist and white supremacist references.

• Targeting Methods:

  • Advertising blitz includes TV, streaming, influencer partnerships; geo-fencing to target users at military bases, NASCAR races, gun shows, and specific college campuses.
  • $8 million allocated for online influencers and pro-ICE creators to generate content, yielding a boom in applications: 220,000+ applicants, 12,000 new hires (+120% workforce).

• Controversial Imagery:

  • Posts using slogans and images echoing white supremacist and even Nazi propaganda: “Which Way, American Man?” (reference to a Neo-Nazi manifesto); “One homeland, one people, one heritage” (echoes Nazi slogan “One people, one country, one leader!”).
  • Some posts directly reference far-right music and organizations; e.g., the song “We’ll Have Our Home Again,” linked to Proud Boys rallies and white supremacist manifestos.

• Public Response:

  • Norman Rockwell’s family objected to use of his art, stating: "Rockwell would be, quote, devastated to see his art marshaled for the cause of persecution towards immigrant communities and people of color." [07:52]
  • DHS ignored the request; posts remain online.

• Propaganda Tactics:

  • Public releases of stylized ICE raids mirror recruitment propaganda by groups like the Wagner Group (Russian paramilitary)—action shorts and glorification of enforcement.

• Contradiction:

  • ICE claims focus on "the worst of the worst" but TRAC data: 73% of detainees have no criminal record; many charged only with minor or old offenses.
  • “There’s a blaring gap between ICE immigration enforcement tactics and the narrative the administration is trying to accomplish.” [15:20]

• Concerns about Extremist Recruitment:

  • Lawmakers concerned ICE is hiring individuals with ties to extremist groups, e.g., Proud Boys, Jan. 6 rioters.
  • Rep. Jamie Raskin raised issue: “ICE is unique among all law enforcement agencies…because its agents conceal their identities… Why is that?” [16:05]

• Expert & Former Official Voices:

  • Sarah Saldaña (Obama-era ICE Director): Framing ICE jobs as ‘war’ can "inculcate in people a certain aggressiveness that may not be necessary in 85% of what you do." [16:37]
  • Eric Odenis (former agent): Use of force “was very rare… now it seems to be happening almost daily.” [16:53]

Notable Quotes

• Elise Labott:

  “The combination of white nationalist imagery, promises of sweeping enforcement power and celebrations of violence raises an obvious question: Whom exactly is ICE trying to recruit?” [16:23]

• Bill Braniff:

  “When you look at this one DHS post in the context of all others, it’s not an accident.” [10:46]

2. On-the-Ground Reality & Congressional Accountability

Guest: Rep. Angie Craig (D-MN-2)
[20:43–35:56]

Key Points

• Minnesota’s Crisis:

  • ICE tactics in Minnesota involve racial profiling, no judicial warrants, violent raids, and indiscriminate targeting—including US citizens and children.
  • Rep. Craig denounces lawlessness: “ICE detained a five year old… and used that five year old to lure his father out of the house... Believe the videos.” [21:32]

• Local Law Enforcement Response:

  • Minnesota police held a press conference accusing ICE of racial profiling—even off-duty black and brown police officers.

• Broader Community Impact:

  • Fear freezes communities: spike in school absences, ICE agents following (and detaining) students and families.
  • “These are not people who have been identified as violent offenders… they are just our neighbors.” [24:13]

• Congressional Inaction & Frustration:

  • Rep. Craig describes being outnumbered: “Unless we can find four patriots in the Republican Party… I can’t find any.”
  • “You are serving the Trump administration instead of the Constitution of the United States.” [26:28]
  • Only way to stop abuses is to win House and Senate majorities in 2026—majority grants oversight, subpoena power.

• Calls to Action:

  • Citizens urged to pressure their representatives relentlessly—calls, emails, peaceful protests at district offices.
  • “Make their lives so difficult… I’m going to do town halls in each of my Republican held districts… They need to feel the pressure of American opinion.” [33:00]

Notable Quotes

• Rep. Angie Craig:

  “You cannot violate the law to enforce the law.” [23:23] “I had 50 semi assault weapons in front of me two Saturdays ago… and I’m a member of damn Congress. So we all have to get off the sidelines.” [35:41]

3. The Myth of Absolute Immunity & Legal Hurdles to Accountability

Guest: Liz Oyer, former DOJ Pardon Attorney
[36:39–51:18]

Key Points

• Definitions—Qualified vs. Absolute Immunity:

  • “There is no such thing as absolute immunity for federal agents of any sort. The Supreme Court said over a hundred years ago that absolute immunity is not a thing…” [37:14]
  • ICE agents may have some legal protections, but they are not untouchable; they are not shielded from prosecution for excessive force under federal civil rights law.

• DOJ Stance on Renee Goode Shooting:

  • DOJ declined to investigate, sparking outrage and mass resignations among career prosecutors. The precedent: DOJ prosecuted Derek Chauvin in the George Floyd case under the same law.

• Supremacy Clause Immunity:

  • Makes it difficult (but not impossible) for states to prosecute federal officers; state-level prosecutions rarely succeed, and federal authorities currently block access to evidence.

• Qualified Immunity (Civil Lawsuits):

  • Almost always shields individual officers from civil liability, unless a nearly-identical precedent exists—a barrier widely criticized by legal scholars and judges.

• Federal Tort Claims Act:

  • Families (e.g., Renee Goode’s) may be able to sue the government for wrongful death, but it’s a long, difficult process. Precedent: DOJ settled with Ashli Babbitt’s family for $5 million after January 6.

• Presidential Pardons:

  • Trump could pardon ICE agents, closing off future federal prosecution; doesn’t apply to state prosecution but makes accountability harder if evidence is withheld.

• Presidential Immunity Rulings:

  • Presidential absolute immunity (recent Supreme Court ruling) does not extend to cabinet members, ICE agents, or other officials.

Notable Quotes

• Liz Oyer:

  “In theory, yes... But in practice, virtually impossible to hold an individual police officer accountable... because of qualified immunity.” [45:05] “The Supreme Court’s [2026] decision was very specific to the president… ICE agents do not benefit in any way from that ruling.” [48:41] “It’s really important that we keep making our voices heard… and make sure we are supporting those…speaking out against this administration.” [50:08]

4. Listener Action & Closing Messages

[Throughout the episode; especially 32:50, 49:47, 50:08]

• Contact elected officials relentlessly—calls, emails, protests.
• Vote in every election; focus on winning winnable seats.
• Support those taking action and putting themselves at risk—both inside and outside government.
• Persist in demanding investigations and evidence collection in ICE-related abuses.
• Rep. Craig: Support Democrats challenging the administration, make Republican representatives “feel the pressure of American opinion.”

Key Timestamps

• 03:26: Elise Labott begins on ICE recruitment campaign
• 06:20: Discussion of right-wing, white nationalist imagery in official ICE materials
• 14:15: Discrepancy between ICE’s “worst of the worst” narrative and actual detainee stats
• 20:43: Rep. Angie Craig describes frontline conditions in Minnesota
• 23:23: “You cannot violate the law to enforce the law.” – McMahon
• 27:19: Congressional gridlock and the limits of minority party action
• 33:00: Effective constituent pressure; town halls in GOP districts
• 36:39: Liz Oyer on legal myths around absolute immunity
• 44:47: Civil suits, qualified immunity hurdles, and family of Renee Goode’s legal options
• 48:41: Presidential immunity verdict doesn’t extend to ICE agents

Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Rockwell Family’s Protest:
  “Rockwell would be devastated to see his art marshaled for the cause of persecution towards immigrant communities…” – [07:52], USA Today Op-Ed

• Rep. Craig Calls It Lawlessness:
  “What we are seeing now is really another level of lawlessness from Donald Trump’s and Kristi Noem’s ICE.” – [23:37]

• On Winning Power as Real Leverage:
  “The only way we’re actually going to stop the Trump administration from committing the atrocities… is by winning majorities...” – Rep. Craig [28:35]

• On Qualified Immunity:
  “It’s a doctrine that has existed for a long time, and… has gotten to the point where it’s theoretically possible, but in practice virtually impossible to hold an individual police officer accountable…” – Liz Oyer [45:05]

Tone & Language

The episode uses clear, plain language but does not shy away from urgent and emotive descriptions of events. The tone blends investigative rigor (Elise Labott), moral clarity and outrage (Rep. Craig, Sharon McMahon), and sober legal explanation (Liz Oyer). Listeners are treated as engaged citizens, encouraged to act, and given frank assessments of grim realities.

Final Thoughts

The episode tracks the increasingly aggressive and radical recruitment and enforcement tactics of ICE, their entanglement with white nationalist imagery, and the institutional and legal roadblocks to accountability. Despite structural barriers, the hosts and guests repeatedly urge continued civic pressure, vigilance, and action—both electoral and direct, including supporting those resisting from within—and warn of the heavy cost of silence and inaction.