Pastor Shawn and Jill Johnson from Red Rocks Church are back for their fourth appearance, and things get real fast — from the legendary canoe trip where Shawn sat on a dead mouse for four hours, to the honest, hard-won wisdom they've collected after nearly three decades of marriage. Levi and Jennie swap notes with the Johnsons on keeping it flirty, surviving hard seasons, knowing when comfort tips into neglect, and the "final draft" language that changed how Shawn and Jill communicate. Plus: Red Rocks Church's sold-out 20th anniversary service at Red Rocks Amphitheater, a son DJing his second-ever gig on that same stage, and Jill's surprisingly sweet trick for reconnecting with why she fell in love in the first place.

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Time Stamps:

00:00:00– The canoe trip that tested their friendship (and Sean's packing skills)

00:09:21 – Kiss the Fire update: what happens when a vulnerable book meets the world

00:14:11 – Austin the DJ opens Red Rocks Amphitheater (his second gig ever)

00:22:39 – The marriage conversation: humility, longevity & what 27 years teaches you

00:38:24 – The "I feel most loved when..." exercise from their counselor

00:50:15 – "Is this your final draft?" — the language that changed how they communicate