From Cliffe getting pies thrown at him on a college quad while three-year-old Stuart clung to his leg, to preaching in Boston's red-light district as a seminary student, this episode is equal parts hilarious, theologically sharp, and genuinely moving. Father-son duo Cliffe and Stuart Knechtle — open-air apologists, church planters, and co-authors of Demolishing Doubt — join Levi and Jennie for one of the most wide-ranging conversations the podcast has ever had. Plus: the hardest question Cliffe still gets a flutter about, why miracles aren't actually defying nature, and the reason Stuart's eight-year-old already has Romans 8 memorized.

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Time Stamps:

00:00:00 – Meet Cliffe + Stuart Knechtle

00:05:12 – How a 14-person Bible study above a bar became a church

00:10:06 – Why memorizing scripture isn't obsolete — it's a lifeline

00:15:58 – Miracles don't defy nature — they restore it

00:29:47 – Preaching in Boston's red-light district (the seminary years)

00:43:49 – The hardest questions: suffering, doubt, and where God came from