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The British are trying to stop every ship going in and out of New York Harbor.

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Harvey Strum, professor of history and political science at Russell Sage College, he told us the HMS Leander, a British ship of the line, floats in the harbor waiting to bully this American trading vessel. They fire a warning shot at the Richard from one of their 50 guns, a standard sign that the ship should heave toessentially, come to a stop in the water so that the British can board. But the Richard doesn't stop quickly enough and the Leander opens fire. It's supposed to be a shot across the path bow, but instead, by mistake, the cannonball hurtles towards the deck and decapitates the helmsman, John Pierce.

Harvey Strum (6:10)

He was the brother of the captain. And this became an international incident. The murder of an American within New York harbor. There was outrage in the city.

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Pierce's body is brought ashore and an angry mob gathers at the docks. They intercept a boat carrying provisions for British warships and parade the confiscated food through the streets before distributing it to the poor at a local almshouse. President Jefferson responds to this incident by by banning three specific British warships from American harbors. He threatens their officers with arrest. But overall, he believes that eventually his non importation act will make a big enough dent in the British economy that they'll have to stand down. Some people in Washington disagree. One representative calls Jefferson's non importation law a milk and water bill. The opposing party accuses him of trying to fight a superpower with paper bullets. The but Jefferson is just not a big war guy.

Harvey Strum (7:27)

We don't enlarge a navy under Jefferson. He's opposed to it philosophically. He comes up with a somewhat stupid naval policy. Create gunboats, small gunboats to protect American shores, which were essentially useless. He is against defense expenditures. He considers it a waste of money.

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We heard more about Jefferson's philosophy from Lawrence Hatter, associate professor of early American history at Washington State University.

Lawrence Hatter (7:57)

It's sometimes referred to as peaceable coercion. We don't need to go to war with them. We can do this instead because it's progressive, right? You don't have people dying for no reason or even for a good reason. I mean, it's, you know, this seems like an alternative to centuries of warfare and dynastic politics and things like that.

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But so far, the British aren't cooperating. They continue to assail the coast. They seize other American ships like the Aurora and the Nimrod, especially rudely. They fire on a ship named the Sally. They kill the man at the helm. And In June of 1807, Jefferson's theory of peaceable coercion comes under even more direct attack. June 22. The USS Chesapeake is sailing off the Virginia Capes. It's one of six frigates in the tiny US Navy, and it isn't looking for a fight, just preparing for a trade voyage to the Mediterranean. But suddenly, a much larger British warship, the 50 gun HMS Leopard, pulls alongside. The British send a messenger aboard, demanding a routine search for deserters, which is

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kind of insulting, right? The American captain is not interested in having Royal Navy crew coming aboard a ship looking for these deserters.

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Ships are regarded as an extension of national sovereignty. The Chesapeake is basically a piece of the United States floating on the water. So Commodore James Barron refuses to let the British search his ship, and they open fire. The American ship is completely unprepared. The deck is cluttered with cargo. The guns aren't even loaded for 20 minutes, the leopard bombards the helpless Chesapeake.

Harvey Strum (10:05)

They killed three Americans and wounded 18. And then they boarded the ship and took off. Four men. Two of the men were British subjects. Two were American citizens.

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When the mangled Chesapeake limps back into port, the country falls into an uproar. Headlines scream British insolence, outrage and murder. It's a rare moment of near total

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national unity demonstrations in New York, New Jersey and Virginia. Everybody was ready to go to war.

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But even while his citizens are burning British captains in effigy, the philosopher president looks for another way.

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Jefferson let the moment lapse.

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Thomas Jefferson is a true believer, logic not lead. He sees himself as fundamentally different from the lions and tigers over in Europe. Instead, he will try an even more radical economic experiment, what he called his last card short of War. On December 22, 1807, Jefferson signs the embargo act into law. It bans all British imports, but also it is essentially a ban on all exports. The United States won't sell anything to the rest of the world. They're retreating into autarky, total national isolation. He is betting that Britain and France will blink first. Denied vital goods American cotton, tobacco, timber, wheat flour, corn and grain, they will have to respect the United States on the high seas. Advisors tell him that in Britain the population will starve and rise up against their government. But it is a risky gamble and the ante is the whole national economy.

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Harvey Strum (14:29)

Some ships are leaving half manned and half filled because I just gotta get a New York harbor.

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Better to be an outlaw than to be a pauper trapped at anchor.

Harvey Strum (14:42)

And so it is. Total, complete chaos. Once the news arrived of the embargo.

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Crowds of spectators gather at the wharves, cheering the ships as they flee. Customs collectors trying to enforce the law rush to choke off every exit to the Atlantic. From New York City, some. Some merchant ships escape, but others make it as far as 30 miles off coast and then get caught and brought back in. Newspapers later reported that the embargo cast a gloom over every countenance.

Harvey Strum (15:19)

It led to immediate depression in New York City. 40 mercantile companies go bankrupt.

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The transformation of New York is eerie. Within months, grass had begun to grow on the wharves. The once bustling waterfront lay vacant, ships rotting at anchor, and thousands of sailors roamed the streets.

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Now unemployed, the New York City Common Council offers to provide food, clothes, firewood and candles to seamen move to the Brooklyn Navy Yard because what they're afraid of is that the sailors will resort to crime.

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New York ends up creating some of the earliest public jobs programs in American history to keep the sailors busy planting trees, clearing vacant lots. And similar stories are playing out all along the eastern seaboard. Sailors in Boston march on the governor's house. The same scene repeats in Philadelphia nine days later. And it isn't just the sailors. For the farmers, who Jefferson had earlier described as the chosen people of God, his experiment is a disaster. Within hours of the embargo, news reaching Virginia, the price of flour crashes by half. In the ports, Produce rots in warehouses because it can't be sent overseas. There's such a glut of material that construction lumber becomes firewood just to recoup the cost. Smuggling, of course, explodes. Domestic trade vessels would leave port and somehow emerge in Halifax or the West Indies. Their excuse blown hundreds of miles off course by a freak wind. Jefferson orders a crackdown In February. He tells the Navy to stay, seize American merchant ships off the Delaware coast, which is probably illegal. By March, he takes the fight against smuggling to every dirt road and backwoods stream in the country, banning trade on any boat, raft, cart, wagon or sleigh, and calling on the regular army to aid in enforcement. So the smugglers get even more creative.

Harvey Strum (17:40)

Canadians and New Yorkers will build shacks along the northern border of New York. On one side you're in Canada, on the other side you're in New York. So they put their goods on the New York side. Then the Canadians come and take the goods and bring it into Canada.

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Or how about a little random accident? Merchants would drive a wagon to a steep hill on the border and and then accidentally collapse their own cart and watch as barrels of flour careened into Canadian territory. In Burlington, Vermont, on Lake Champlain, the townspeople hold an emergency meeting at the courthouse in April to discuss the evils of Jefferson's trade war. They send a desperate plea to Congress. And just three days later, the President issues an edict. He says that sundry persons have been confederating on Lake Champlain.

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President Jefferson declares Lake Champlain in a state of insurrection.

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Lake Champlain extends across the border into Canada, and Jefferson calls on the Governor of Vermont to deploy the militia to Windmill Point, right near the Canadian border, to stop any goods from getting through. The man who wrote the Declaration of Independence is now using militias and the army to enforce his laws on his own people. And it doesn't really work. A lot of the men in the militia are friends and family with the smugglers.

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Local militia units refuse to enforce the law.

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In the summer of 1808, things escalate. A new vessel appears on Lake Champlain. It's 40ft long, pitch black, painted entirely in tar, with a flat bottom and seven oars on each side. This is the Black Snake. Fully loaded, it can smuggle 100 barrels of contraband into Canada. And in August, a federal enforcement vessel tracks it down. They corner the Black Snake up a small river. The smugglers abandon ship and take up positions on the shore. They arm a massive cannon and fire. One soldier falls. They fire again. Two more. By the time the smoke clears, two militiamen and one private citizen are dead. Eight members of the Black Snake crew are jailed for murder, and one is executed. The violence on Lake Champlain is part of an emerging national tragedy. The embargo has begun looking more and more like an occupation. By late summer 1808, the Thomas Jefferson has essentially established a military and naval blockade around his own country, reaching from Lake Ontario to New Orleans.

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It leads to a nosedive in his popularity.

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Harvey Strum (22:16)

The whole time he's stealing an idea from Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton was a strong advocate of industrialization of the United States.

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Jefferson, in years past, had fought against Hamilton's vision. He believed that the power of America lay with the yeoman farmer, not with industrial power. But his embargo has actually helped American

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industry foster some limited industrialization in Rhode island and also in Dutchess County, New York. But it's not enough to counter the losses from trade.

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It's estimated that Jefferson's trade war cost the US 5% of its GDP. Imports fall by almost 60%, exports by 80%. The prices of cotton, tobacco and flour all crater. It is a depression. And Jefferson is also faced with a harsh reality. The initial point of the embargo was to punish Great Britain to apply economic pressure so they'll stop impressing sailors. But it doesn't work. Here's Lawrence Hatter.

Lawrence Hatter (23:38)

American trade just wasn't that important to them and they could pivot towards different markets. So Britain develops new markets in South America to replace those in the United States.

Sally Helm (23:49)

The kinds of tactics that had worked in the years leading up to the American RevolutionBoycotts, after the stamp act, the Boston Tea Party, those don't work anymore. The British just redirect their trade to the Caribbean and South America. Their economy is not devastated and the people don't rise up. So the British have continued impressing American sailors throughout this whole embargo and Jefferson has lost the country. In New England, some people were Even in talks with the British to separate from the Union.

Harvey Strum (24:23)

So he knows the embargo is unpopular. He can also read the economic impact of the embargo. Despite his talk about industrialization, none of that happens in a year.

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On March 1, 1809, just three days before he leaves office, Jefferson all but ends the embargo. He signed something called the Non Intercourse act, which opens up American trade to the rest of the world, though still barring Britain and France. It's a little funny that he waits so long.

Lawrence Hatter (24:57)

It is an interesting question, you know, why would you do that?

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Why repeal his signature legislation just before leaving office? It is partly the power of friendship. James Madison is going to follow him in the job.

Lawrence Hatter (25:11)

I mean, Jefferson and Madison are very close, right? So, you know, he is concerned about, I think, Madison's presidency, and for good reason.

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He does kind of leave James Madison with a mess. A struggling economy, impressment still running rampant. Today, the embargo is regarded as the biggest mistake of Jefferson's entire presidency. And three years later, in June of 1812, the United States goes to war with the British anyway, the War of 1812. So Jefferson did not achieve his stated aim of avoiding war, but he did do what he talked about in his State of the Union. He inadvertently launched an American industrial revolution, at least a little one. In 1803, there were only four cotton mills in the entire country. And by 1810, that number had exploded to 226. That set the country on a new trajectory that would continue for more than a century. Thomas Jefferson leaves the presidency exhausted.

Lawrence Hatter (26:18)

He can't wait to get back to Monticello. He had had enough. This was not a pleasant experience.

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It's time, and he tries to put all this behind him as he lives out the rest of his life.

Lawrence Hatter (26:29)

If you go to Monticello and see his grave, it atlas his accomplishments.

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Author of the Declaration of American Independence, of the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom, and father of the University of Virginia. But there is one thing missing, and

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you will not see President of the United States on there.

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Jefferson's economic experiment seems to have cast a shadow over his entire presidency, even if it's not what he's remembered for today. The embargo, after all, only lasted 15 months. Although the debate over whether America can use trade as a weapon and who pays for it, that debate never really ended. Foreign. This week is a Back Pocket Studios production in partnership with the History Channel. To stay updated on all things history this week, Sign up@historythisweekpodcast.com and follow us on Instagram at History this Week Podcast if you have any thoughts or questions, you can always send us an email@historythisweekistory.com Special thanks to our guests Harvey Strum, professor of History and Political Science at Russell Sage College in Albany and Troy, New York, and Lawrence Hatter, Associate professor of Early American History at Washington State University. This episode was produced by Danny Vanone, Ben Dickstein, and me, Sally Helm. Ben also did the sound design for Back Pocket Studios. Our executive producer is once again Ben Dickstein from the History Channel. Our executive producers are Eli Lehrer and Liv Lynn Fiddler. Don't forget to follow, rate and review History this week wherever you get your podcasts, and we'll see you next week.