Cynthia Brannigan (6:51)

Doc Carver was born, depending on who you ask, either in 1841 or 1851.

Alana Casanova Burgess (6:59)

That's Cynthia Brannigan, author of the Last Diving Horse in America, a horse that she actually cared for in the 1980s as she learned writing the book back in the 19th century. Doc Carver never let the facts get in the way of a good story. And he spins different versions of his past for different audiences. He's a true Showman, standing at 64 with broad shoulders, long dark hair and a bushy mustache. He gets his nickname, Doc, working as a dentist. But he's unfulfilled. And at the age of 25, Doc moves west and takes up sharpshooting. Within a few years, Doc earns the title of champion rifle shot of the world. This lifestyle clicks in a way that dentistry never did. He tries to distance himself from his past profession, branding himself to his audiences as a true Wild west old timer. Which is maybe why he starts lying about his age to make himself seem more experienced. And soon he joins up with one of America's most famous Wild west old timers, William Frederick Cody, better known as Buffalo Bill. Radio doesn't yet exist in the 1880s, so entertainment means live performance. The two men team up to create a traveling show, the Wild West. Buffalo Bill and Dr. Carver. Rocky Mountain and Prairie Exhibition. It was sensationalized, featuring reenactments of frontier battles, trick riding by cowboys, and displays of death defying marksmanship.

Cynthia Brannigan (8:36)

Americans had not any familiarity with what was out west, but cowboys and Indians. It was a big deal. So when they went to a Wild west type show, they really thought that they were seeing the real thing.

Alana Casanova Burgess (8:51)

Doc Carver and Buffalo Bill debut their show in May 1883 in Omaha, Nebraska.

Cynthia Brannigan (8:57)

You would think, well, there's a perfect marriage. They're both the same swashbuckling kind of guys. But the problem was of course, that they both had big egos and they both thought they were the star of the show.

Alana Casanova Burgess (9:12)

Their show doesn't even last a full season. After the split, both men spin off their own versions. Buffalo Bill continues Touring with his for decades. As for Doc, he took that all.

Cynthia Brannigan (9:24)

Over the world, but he got tired of it.

Alana Casanova Burgess (9:26)

At some point, Doc wanted something even more thrilling, Something that would top the spectacle of his sharpshooting days. For this next act, Doc tells a few different origin stories.

Cynthia Brannigan (9:38)

In one version, it was a dark and stormy night. He was going across a bridge and the bridge gave way into a river. And he found that the horse was able to dive into the river and then swim to shore as he did. That was one version. The other version was that he was being chased by Indians and purposely leapt off a bridge into a river and swam to a shore.

Alana Casanova Burgess (10:05)

There's a third, totally different version of.

Cynthia Brannigan (10:07)

The story too, that he performed in a play in Australia called the Scout. And in that they had a horse jumping off a pier into water. Maybe he thought, hey, I could take this on the road. So he did.

Alana Casanova Burgess (10:27)

Duck bills himself as the first person to train diving horses. But that might not be true either. He is, however, definitely the first person to make horse diving a mainstream attraction for Americans. In 1894, Doc debuts the stunt at an amusement park in Kansas City, Missouri. A riderless horse named Black Bess dives from a 40 foot platform into a tank of water below.

Cynthia Brannigan (10:52)

And the crowd went wild.

Alana Casanova Burgess (10:55)

The stunt is an instant success. Doc tours with diving horses in his Wild west show for more than a decade.

Cynthia Brannigan (11:03)

But at a certain point, he thought, you know, it's good, but it could even be better.

Alana Casanova Burgess (11:09)

How? By having a beautiful woman in a red swimsuit ride the horse bareback, of course. In 1906, for the first time, Doc's show features a 20 year old blonde woman billed as Lorena Carver. That isn't her real name. She was likely born Lorraine Lawrence. But Doc thinks Lorena sounds more exotic. And marketing the act as a family business has its appeal. So eventually he introduces her as his daughter, Lorena Carver. Lorena joining the stunt marks a turning point. The more dramatic high stakes performance quickly draws bigger crowds. Horse diving becomes the centerpiece of Doc's Wild west show and eventually a standalone attraction. Doc and Lorena travel from town to town with their horses, and over the years, they become a national sensation.

Cynthia Brannigan (11:58)

It was a big thing if the diving horses came to town. It was impossible not to have heard of the diving horses.

Alana Casanova Burgess (12:08)

By 1923, hundreds of thousands of Americans have seen Dr. Carver's diving horses. After 17 years on the road with Lorena, Doc Carver wants to hire another rider so he can run two shows in different locations. At this point, Doc is at least in his 70s and telling people he's in his 80s. While in Georgia that October, he puts an ad in the newspaper seeking an attractive young woman who can swim and dive, likes horses, desires to travel. That ad is how Doc connects with our leading lady, the woman who would become the most famous diving horse rider of all, Sonora Webster. Like Lorena, she'll also later adopt the last name carver. But in 1923, Sonora is 19 years old, living in her mother's boarding house in Waycross, Georgia. Surprisingly, it's Sonora's mother who reads the ad and encourages her to go for it.

Cynthia Brannigan (13:06)

She was another mouth to feed. If she wasn't living in the house, that was one less free border.

Alana Casanova Burgess (13:12)

Sonora is resistant to the idea at first, in large part because it's coming from her mother. But Doc Carver's traveling show happens to be in town. Her mother takes her to see it the next day. The horse diving that day is a dapple gray mare named the Duchess of Lightning. Sonora, a lifelong horse girl, falls in love at first sight. In her 1961 autobiography, Sonora recalls, I thought she was the most beautiful animal I had ever seen in my life or was ever likely to see. Watching Lorena ride Lightning off the platform thrills her. Sonora has always been curious and gutsy, with a hunger for challenges. The next day, she tells Doc that she's in. Three months later, in early January 1924, she's on a train to meet his team down in Florida to begin training. It doesn't take long for Sonora to learn that Doc Carver is not an easy man to work for.

Cynthia Brannigan (14:14)

He was a stern taskmaster. He would do things such as berate her after a performance if she didn't bow to the crowd. And she was to always wear modest clothing except when she was on the horse.

Alana Casanova Burgess (14:30)

These things frustrate her. But she also has a great respect for him. She writes, I was too fond of him and too proud of his pride in me to take an independent stand. Sonora is also struck by how meticulously Doc cares for his diving horses, both on and off season. He believes their comfort and dignity are essential to their well being and performance, and he insists on letting them follow their natural habits whenever possible. Still, the obvious danger of the stunt set off alarm bells for animal welfare groups.

Cynthia Brannigan (15:04)

They would make surprise appearances and really, they were looking for abuse. But by and large, they weren't hurt. The horses were treated well.

Alana Casanova Burgess (15:17)

And crucially, as Sonora quickly learns, these aren't just any old horses.

Cynthia Brannigan (15:22)

She said that horses were like people. Some had nerve and some didn't they would pick a horse at an auction that they thought had an interesting background that might lend itself to bravery. For example, if a horse had been in a rodeo, then they would start off by having it jump a foot, then two feet. Then they'd put water on the other side, and if it flinched, if there was any hesitation at all, that was the end of it. They would get rid of the horse and then start with somebody else until they found the right one.

Alana Casanova Burgess (15:57)

When they did find the right one, they would gradually raise the height of the platform, little by little, up to 5ft, 10ft, 20ft, and eventually the full 40ft. Sonora also starts her dive training on a lower platform, 12ft high. After spending three weeks just learning how to ride bareback. She's trained by Doc Carver's younger associate, Al Floyd. Al is a showman like Doc, with a short fuse, a big ego, and little patience for sugarcoating. But he and Sonora work well together. The first horse he trains her on is a thoroughbred named Klatawa, who's the liveliest of the five in the troop. Despite being the oldest. He's one of Doc's original divers from the days before he introduced a rider. Sonora makes 21 successful dives from the training platform before Doc deems her ready for the full tower. But to her surprise, he decides that her first full dive will be for an audience. It's opening night at an amusement park in North Carolina. Sonora wears the signature red swimsuit, brown football helmet, and white canvas sneakers. Seven thousand spectators fill the stands from her dressing room. The electric hum of their voices turns her nerves into excitement. Finally, it's time. As Sonora climbs up to the platform, a numbness washes over her. She's no longer nervous. At the top, she waves to the crowd and pulls on her helmet. She's ready. Then the whole structure begins to vibrate. Klatawa is galloping up the ramp. A moment later, he's beside her. She grabs the harness on his neck and slips, swings herself onto his bare back just like she practiced. Klatawa pauses at the edge of the platform, taking his time to pump up the crowd. Sonora can only wait. The horse decides when they go. Finally, he leaps.

Cynthia Brannigan (18:04)

She talked about a sensation of absolute freedom, that she was separated from all earthly concerns. It was she and the horse, and they were doing something magnificent and impossible. And yet they pulled it off.

Alana Casanova Burgess (18:23)

Sonora and Klatawa emerge from the tank soaked and victorious. Having passed the final test, Sonora earns a nickname from Doc. Daddy's girl. She starts calling him Daddy Carver and Before long, people assume that they're actually related. Like Lorena, she doesn't correct them. From that point on, she's a core member of the show, touring and performing multiple dives a day, and Doc props her up as a true co star.

Cynthia Brannigan (18:53)

To the horses, Doc often had it billed as the Bravest Girl in the World. And at a time when women had very few rights, they didn't have a voice, that's a big deal. So I can see she would like that. Who wouldn't?

Alana Casanova Burgess (19:10)

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Alana Casanova Burgess (22:58)

Doc Carver dies at the age of 76 or 86. His death is allegedly brought on by the death of one of his horses, the Duchess of Lightning, who drowned rehearsing for a special show in California diving into the Pacific Ocean. It's the only time one of the diving horses is killed by a stunt and Doc is bereft. He starts experiencing heart problems and dies weeks later. When Doc passes, Al Floyd, his right hand man, takes over the show. He makes a few changes, like letting Sonora choose her own swimsuits. No more standard Red and she decides to stop wearing the helmet. They have their first performance without Doc just three days after his death in Sacramento. It goes excellently. Despite their grief, Lorena, Al and Sonora carry on what Doc started, and the following season they acquire a new horse who Sonora bonds with more deeply than ever before. His name is Redlips. Touring together in the year after Doc's passing, Al and Sonora spend pretty much all of their time together with by now she's 25, he's 20 years older than her. But at the end of the 1928 season, he confesses his love. They get married. It seems Doc Carver's habit of stretching the truth for the sake of a good story rubbed off on Sonora. In her autobiography, she consistently refers to Doc as Al's father and Al as Doc's son. But Cynthia Brannigan says Doc had no sons.

Cynthia Brannigan (24:37)

He had no daughters either, for that matter. So the whole story of Ensenora fell in love with his son. It's not true. It's a good story and they even made a movie out of it. But it didn't happen. He didn't even use the name Carver until after Doc died.

Alana Casanova Burgess (24:54)

In reality, it was all part of a carefully crafted fiction, a way to enhance the wholesome family business appeal of the actual Sonora, too legally adopts the last name Carver.

Vicki Gold Levy (25:06)

There were so many things that were exaggerated in those days, extreme exaggeration, even everybody thinking all the people were named Carver. They weren't.

Alana Casanova Burgess (25:15)

That's Vicki Gold Levy, a cultural historian and expert on Atlantic City. Which brings us to the next big chapter in the story of the diving horse act. Just a week after Al and Sonora are married, they land a season long contract at the Steel Pier in Atlantic City. Today, Atlantic City is largely associated with gambling and rowdy spring break trips. But in 1929 it held a very different place in the consciousness of the American public.

Vicki Gold Levy (25:44)

Atlantic City had ocean emotion and lots of promotion. Teddy Roosevelt said any person who didn't know Atlantic City wasn't a good citizen.

Alana Casanova Burgess (25:53)

And the Steel Pier specifically was the centerpiece of it all.

Cynthia Brannigan (25:56)

The Steel Pier pier build itself as the showplace of the nation, and I.

Alana Casanova Burgess (26:01)

Think it was in 1929. It's a cultural landmark, America's premier entertainment destination, epitomizing the exuberance of the Roaring Twenties. There are vaudeville shows and movie theaters and a General Motors exhibition showing off cutting edge technology. At the end of the pier, more than 2,200ft from shore, a grand ballroom hosts nightly live music and dancing.

Vicki Gold Levy (26:27)

They had a lot of animal acts. They had a seal that they fed and that did tricks. They had the boxing cats, which were little gloves, and then they had the boxing kangaroo. And I don't know how it was cared for, but I know the boxing kangaroo could knock you out.

Alana Casanova Burgess (26:43)

Other acts in the water circus include daring aerialists, water sports performers, so called Hawaiian high divers who weren't actually Hawaiian, and a human cannonball who launches into the ocean. The Steel Pier management initially wants the horses to dive into the ocean too, but the team refuses. The trauma of the Duchess of Lightning's Death is still fresh. So instead the pier builds an elaborate extension. A grandstand for 8,000 spectators, the iconic ramp and tower, a water tank supported by hundreds of pilings, adjoining dressing rooms and custom stalls for the horses.

Vicki Gold Levy (27:23)

The horses were visual on the pier. They had their own stalls with glass in front of them.

Alana Casanova Burgess (27:30)

The show is a spectacle and a massive success. From mid May to mid July, Sonora performs three times a day on weekdays and four on weekends. From mid July through September, that number rises to four, five, even six shows a day. The grandstands are almost always full. The diving horse act has never been more popular or more profitable. And Sonora has never been happier.

Cynthia Brannigan (27:54)

It was a good fit for them. Doc never stayed in one place. But it was Al and Sonora who decided this is the way to do it.

Alana Casanova Burgess (28:04)

After a roaring first season on the Steel Pier, they re signed their contract in. In 1930 and 1931, Sonora Carver and the diving horses become the main attraction at the premier venue in the nation. They're flying high. But that's about to change. It's July 14, 1931, on the steel Pier, a night like hundreds of others for Sonora and Al Carver. Al theatrically announces the show. Sonora waits for Red lips on the 40 foot platform, grabs his harness as he gallops by and swings on his back. The horse does his signature dance at the end of the platform and then he leaps. But his angle is off, way too steep. Normally, Sonora is tucked against the horse, but now she pulls her entire body back to adjust their path to the water.

Cynthia Brannigan (28:57)

It was just a matter of putting her head down and tucking it against the horse's neck. And. And for that one second, she didn't remember.

Alana Casanova Burgess (29:06)

Sonora is no longer wearing a helmet. She hits the surface of the water face first instead of on the top of her head. Her eyes are open as she hits the water. They sting, but the pain quickly passes. She slides off Red Lip's back and waves to the crowd. Then she walks backstage, changes out of her wet sweat swimsuit and starts putting on her dry one in preparation for the next performance that night. Suddenly, white patches start to cloud her vision. Al wants to call a doctor, but Sonora refuses. She insists on continuing to perform that night and the next day and the next two weeks after that. But at the 9pm show on August 1st, it happens again. Sonora hits the surface of the water face first, this time riding Klatawa. When she returns to the dressing room, her vision dims, as if the room is filling with dark smoke. She can make out only the largest, brightest shapes around her and still she changes into a dry swimsuit. There's one more show that night. Al tries to stop her, but she insists the show must go on. She and Red Lip Sweet make the dive. Al wires a former rider to come replace her, but it'll take two days for them to travel to Atlantic City. The next day is a Sunday, the pier's most popular, and Sonora refuses to cancel. So with her vision rapidly fading, she performs another full slate of dives. Finally, more than two weeks after her initial injury, she and Al go to a doctor. The news is devastating. The impact of the water ruptured tiny blood vessels in her eyes. With each subsequent dive, the internal bleeding worsened. Blood clotted behind her retinas, detaching them. Doctors try everything, but in 1931, treatment for retinal detachment is extremely limited. Sonora undergoes multiple operations and spends weeks in an inpatient patient facility, tortured not by pain but by forced stillness. Despite these efforts, as the days pass, the gray fog darkens into an infinite black. The damage is done. At 27 years old, Sonora Carver will never see again. This summer, Instacart is bringing back your favorites from 1999 with prices from 1999. That means 90s prices on juice pouches that ought to be respected, 90s prices on box Mac and cheese, and 90s prices on ham, cheese and cracker lunches. Enjoy all those throwbacks and more at throwback prices only through Instacart. $4.72 maximum discount per $10 of eligible items. Limit 3 offers per order expires 95 while supplies last. Discount based on CPI comparison. This episode is brought to you by Amazon Prime. From streaming to shopping, prime helps you get more out of your passions. So whether you're a fan of true crime or prefer a nail biting novel from time to time, with services like Prime Video, Amazon Music and fast free delivery, prime makes it easy to get more out of whatever you're into or getting into. Visit Amazon.comprime to learn more this Father's Day at Lowe's. Score free gifts for the greatest dad Right now get a free select DeWalt Craftsman or or cobalt tool with purchase of a select battery kit. Plus get a free Werner 2 foot aluminum ladder when you buy an 8 foot fiberglass ladder. Shop these deals and more this Father's Day at Lowe's. We help you save valid through 615 wall supplies. Last selection Mirrors by location after years of performing countless death defying feats, perhaps the most remarkable thing about Sonora Carver is how she handles going blind at first. Of course, it's difficult to accept. But then, she writes, after considering the matter from every angle, I decided that the best strategy I could adopt would be to treat my blindness as if it were a minor detail rather than a major catastrophe.

Cynthia Brannigan (33:31)

I think that was the part where she was the bravest woman in the world, because she didn't just say, well, that's the end of my life.

Alana Casanova Burgess (33:39)

Cynthia Brannigan again She accepted her blindness.

Cynthia Brannigan (33:43)

And didn't want her husband to coddle her. She wanted to learn how to do things on her own.

Alana Casanova Burgess (33:49)

After her time in the clinic, Sonora insists on feeding and bathing herself. Her first small triumphs. She refuses to use a cane and, after a few bruises, learns to navigate her apartment on her own. Her other senses sharpen, and soon she's able to dress herself, apply makeup, iron her clothes, and pick up subtle details about the world through smell, sound and, most of all, touch. A lifelong bookworm, she finds the hardest part of blindness is not being able to read for herself. But she overcomes that obstacle, too, by learning Braille at a high level. Within just a few months, she writes about that I never allowed myself the luxury of mourning over the loss of my my sight. Nor indeed had I any inclination to. I was too busy learning to live in a world entirely new to me and usually manage to think of it as a kind of adventure. But by spring, she's restless again. Her husband, Al, begins prepping for the 1932 season at the Steel Pier. Sonora can't bear the thought of missing it. Then it hits her. If she's learned to navigate the world by touch, why not horse diving, too? To her surprise and joy, both Al and her doctor are on board, with one condition. She must wear a helmet with eye protection. On their way home from that same doctor's appointment, Sonora and Al put in an order for a custom helmet. And right away she starts training to rebuild her strength. It's June 3, 1932, less than a year after Sonora Carver lost her sight. She's going to make a dive with red lips. Sonora hasn't done a single practice dive since losing her sight. And the audience? They won't have a clue.

Cynthia Brannigan (35:39)

The audience didn't know she was blind. Nobody knew. I mean, her husband, doctor and close associates, but basically nobody knew.

Alana Casanova Burgess (35:48)

Sonora wants to keep her blindness a secret out of pride and dignity, and she is able to do so because her injury is internal. There's nothing visibly different about her eyes, and she's trained herself to keep looking toward people when they speak.

Cynthia Brannigan (36:03)

If people knew, they might not want to see the act at all and just write it off as cruelty. They want to maintain that air of magnificence, that they're doing something remarkable.

Alana Casanova Burgess (36:22)

Sonora Carver buckles on her new helmet and begins to climb the ramp, counting the steps as Al theatrically introduces the act. They're perfectly synchronized. She arrives at the platform right as he concludes his introduction.

Cynthia Brannigan (36:38)

She had done it so many times, she remembered, and when the horse eventually was set loose and came to the top, she knew exactly where to grab and what to do. And she did it.

Alana Casanova Burgess (36:51)

The crowd goes wild, even without knowing she's blind. A standing ovation. Back in her dressing room, despite not being able to see her reflection, Sonora knows she's smiling in a way she hasn't since her very first dive eight years earlier. Sonora would continue diving blind for another 11 years, longer than she had dived while sighted. Some seasons are spent at the Steel Pier. Others take her to places like Lake Worth Casino park in Fort Worth, Texas. It isn't until five years into this chapter of her career that she finally acknowledges her blindness publicly in an interview with a reporter. The story quickly makes national headlines. After it breaks, letters begin pouring in, dozens from people with disabilities, thanking her for inspiring them to continue living full, meaningful lives. Realizing her impact, Sonora never tries to hide her blindness again. Going blind isn't enough to stop Sonora from diving, but in 1942, the strain of World War II finally does. She and Al are unable to find enough labor to set up a tower and water tank. Then come restrictions on tires and gasoline, which have a big impact when you're a traveling show. So Sonora and Al Carver decide that finally, after 18 years, it's time for the show to end. Sonora is only 38 years old, Al 58. They move to New Orleans, where he gets a job working nights as a motel desk clerk, and she becomes a typist for a nonprofit, the Lighthouse for the Blind. Sonora becomes a staunch advocate and lives to see the Americans with Disabilities act get passed in 1990. But Lorena Carver, Doc's original diver, isn't done with her act. In 1942, she brings her show to Europe shortly after the end of the war and then revives the stunt at the steel Pier in 1953. The act continues in Atlantic City for another two decades, concluding with its truly final performance on labor day weekend in 1978. Cultural historian Vicki Gold Levy got the opportunity to see this iteration of the show As a child.

Vicki Gold Levy (39:08)

Not only do I remember it, but here's a true story. I worked on Steel Pier in the Publicity office. They were actually looking for a young rider for the horse. And I was so enamored, I wanted to try out for riding the horse. So my father came home in his Solomonic wisdom, he said to me, I'm gonna meet you at the pier tomorrow. I know you're working there and have your bathing suit ready. So we went to the pier and he told me to go up the ramp and jump off without the horse. And I couldn't do that. So my fantasy about being a horse rider was over.

Alana Casanova Burgess (39:42)

Cynthia Brannigan also saw the diving horses at the steel Pier in 1964 at the age of 11. She still remembers it vividly.

Cynthia Brannigan (39:51)

When the man brought the horse out, he let the horse loose at the bottom of the ramp. He could have turned around and said, I'm getting out of here. I never was cut out for this line of work. But he didn't. He ran right up, and when he got to the top, there was a woman who leapt onto his back. I saw him look at the crowd, then he looked out at the ocean. He shook himself a couple of times, and then without warning, he leapt at the end, a perfect arrow. You know, his front legs were outstretched and it was over in no time. I think 10 seconds or something. But despite the brevity of it, it seemed like it was in slow motion. And you just saw that beautiful form of the horse. And when he went into the tank, there was certainly a splash, but it wasn't like what you would expect. It was smooth, it was pure. I was kind of awestricken. I was afraid for the horse. Certainly I was. Oddly, that was part of the allure. Everyone was afraid, like, oh, my God, a horse isn't supposed to do that. But at the same time, he did it, and he did it beautifully. It was sort of a life changing moment that I didn't realize was life changing at the time.

Alana Casanova Burgess (41:10)

It was life changing because Brannigan's book, the Last Diving Horse in America isn't just a history book, that's a memoir. Branigan began working in animal welfare in her early 20s. In 1980, she learned that the last remaining diving horses from the Steel Pier were being auctioned off. Representing her employer, the Fund for Animals, she attended the auction in New Jersey and successfully bid to rescue a horse named Gamal, the last diving horse in America. She and the horse were both 26 years old. Gamal lived under Brannigan's care for nine years, and they developed a profound bond.

Cynthia Brannigan (41:47)

Each of us had something to teach the other in the beginning. I would never think people work for a living. Maybe some animals, if they're treated properly, they can work. I thought they should all be pampered pets, cows, chickens, pigs, horses. Now I can see it somewhat differently. There's dignity in work. He was a very dignified horse. He was very proud. And I came to understand that there.

Alana Casanova Burgess (42:17)

Is an attempt to bring horse diving back to the steel Pier in 1993 by Donald Trump, of all people, whose Atlantic City casino sponsored the revived act with mules instead of horses. But animal rights activists convinced Trump to shut it down.

Cynthia Brannigan (42:34)

Should they have been doing it? It's still something that I find very difficult to put together. The risk and the reward. There is value in what they have to contribute, even if it is quote unquote, just entertainment. Because for me, when I saw the horse dive when I was 11 years old, it was some kind of a lesson in the impossible becoming possible. And I wouldn't have had that lesson if I hadn't seen a diving horse.

Alana Casanova Burgess (43:09)

Thanks for listening to History this Week, a Back Pocket Studios production in partnership with the History Channel. To stay updated on all things History this week, sign up@historythisweekpodcast.com and if you have any thoughts or questions, send us an email@historythisweekistory.com Special thanks to our guests, Cynthia Branigan, author of the Last Diving Horse in America, and Vicki Gold Levy, author and cultural historian of Atlantic City. This episode was produced by Lyric Bowditch and Ben Dickstein. It was sound, designed by Dan Rosado and hosted by me, Alana Casanova Burgess for Back Pocket Studios. Our executive producer is Ben Dickstein from the History Channel. Our executive producers are Eli Lehrer and Liv Fiddler. Don't forget to follow rate and review History this week, wherever you get your podcasts and we'll see you next week.