Clea DuVall, Our Creative Partner Friend

Summary

Hollywood Handbook: Clea DuVall, Our Creative Partner Friend

Podcast: Hollywood Handbook (iHeartPodcasts)
Episode Air Date: July 28, 2026
Guests: Clea DuVall (as “Richie”)
Theme: Navigating Creative Partnerships, Pitching Absurd Movie Ideas, and Satirizing Hollywood Development

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Episode Overview

In this episode, hosts Sean and Hayes are joined by longtime creative partner and friend Clea DuVall for a chaotic, satirical deep-dive into the inner workings (and spectacular failings) of their collaborative process. The show begins as a tongue-in-cheek exploration of why some creative partnerships never quite make anything—despite all the “Kobe beef” ideas on the table. Their ongoing, never-produced film "Love and Santa" becomes a running bit and focal point for riffing on Hollywood’s endless development cycle, trending apps, sponsorships, and the artifice of the industry. Throughout the episode, the group brainstorms increasingly bizarre pivots for their “film,” involving shrimp-sharing apps, erotic elves, and a dream team of miscast, mismatched actors.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Creative Partnerships: Transactional vs. Emotional Collaboration (01:20–05:00)

• Sean reflects on expectations in creative partnerships, distinguishing between authentic, loving bonds (as with Sean and Hayes) and more businesslike collaborations.
  • Quote (Sean | 01:46): “It’s not personal … when Hayes and I work together, we actually, like, love each other. … sometimes you encounter people … where that doesn’t have to be a piece of it.”
• The trio jokes about how adding a friendly or emotional element to a strictly creative partnership can be a liability.
• Clea/“Richie” and Hayes agree their work “meshes,” but the personal stuff “makes things go south.”
  • Quote (Richie | 03:31): “It’s undeniable. … when we try to add the personal element, that’s when things go south.”

2. The Eternal Hollywood Development Hell (05:00–07:56)

• They admit their “Kobe beef” ideas never translate into actual projects—no movie has come out of their partnership.
  • Quote (Hayes | 04:48): “Our ideas are fucking the most, like, premium, like choice cuts, like Kobe beef … and that makes it that much more frustrating that … we have not made a movie.”
• Sean humorously blames others for lack of progress:
  • Quote (Sean | 05:34): “…it is difficult, yes, to … share, you know, some of the Kobe beef that has been generated when. And I’m gonna say you when you have failed to produce anything.”
• Arguments about “you language” and defensiveness echo the dysfunction of writing-room dynamics.

3. Pivoting the Movie Premise: From Pools to Shrimp

(08:03–18:23)

• The group dissects how their original movie “Love and Santa” revolved around “Swimply” (a real-world pool-sharing app), but the trend passed.
• Richie/Clea introduces “Shrimply” as a new, shrimp-based sharing app for movie integration:
  • App is “in beta,” mandatory location tracking, notification-heavy, with high subscription fees.
  • Extensive world-building ensues: you can auction or “buy it now” on surplus shrimp.
  • It parodies tech startup culture, exclusivity (like dating app Raya), and influencer ads.
  • Quote (Hayes | 17:07):
    • “Premium. 99.99.”
    • Sean: “$2,000 a year … just for the privilege to bid on the shrimp, which can get into the stratosphere if you have someone like Richie also craving shrimp at the same time.”

4. Hollywood Satire: Modern Romance, Trend Chasing, and the ‘Gunkle Sam’ Pivot

(18:58–28:33)

• The team riffs on the idea of licensing “Shrimply” user stories as modern romance anthologies.
  • Quote (Hayes | 19:28): “I see what Shrimp Lee is doing and I think they could almost make their nut every year just on licensing the stories…”
• After a producer’s “note,” “Young Love and Young Santa” is proposed.
• The group considers mixing in “Gunkle Sam”—Santa’s gay Uncle Sam—tying in America’s 250th birthday and queer themes.
  • They riff on “beard” as both a literal and metaphorical cover, tumbling into further innuendo.

5. Absurdist Hollywood Casting Brainstorm

(34:06–49:53)

• Names fly for “Santa” alternates: Santa Cruz (like Tom Cruise), Santa Monica (via Monica Lewinsky or Courtney Cox), all as meta-casting jokes.
• The group debates how miscasting (e.g., Courtney Cox as Santa Monica) is actually a virtue in today’s industry (“she’s so wrong for it, so we should do it”).
• They create a web of roles: Gunkle Sam, Santa Monica, the “Soup Man,” and consider Simon Cowell as an aged-up romantic lead.
  • Hayes (48:22): “We could do an aged-up, Call Me By Your Name type thing… Simon is Timothy and Campbell is ideally not Armie Hammer.”
  • Ultimately, the film becomes a business romantic comedy involving shrimp, with Courtney Cox, Simon Cowell, and the “Soup Man,” running parallel to all the tropes they lampoon.

6. Satirizing Development Logic and Hollywood Amnesia

(39:54–43:53)

• The hosts propose pretending they already made the successful show years ago, just “rediscovered” it, parodying the way Hollywood “reboots” or “reclaims” properties.
• Sean: (41:00) “Now he’s sitting on literally enough shrimp to fill Fort Knox … calling SeaWorld.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Sean (01:46): “It’s not personal with her. … what we’ve learned is it’s always business.”
• Richie (03:31): “When we try to add the personal element, that’s when things go south.”
• Hayes (04:48): “The ideas are fucking the most … like Kobe beef … but we have not made a movie.”
• Sean (05:57): “Even turn the camera on.”
• Richie (09:56): “A new sponsor … Shrimply. … a shrimp sharing site. … it’s sort of like a shrimp sharing site … it’s an app.”
• Richie (17:07): “Premium. 99.99.” (on the monthly fee for Shrimply)
• Hayes (19:28): “They could almost make their nut every year just on licensing the stories…”
• Sean (26:10): “Gunkle Sam. Is this feeling right, relevant right now?”
• Hayes (37:59): “How many shows with O and Theal do you want? … Here’s a whole damn Owen meal, and all of a sudden you’re not hungry?”
• Sean (46:09): “We’re using every part of the buffalo. Isn’t that beautiful?”

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Important Timestamps & Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | Content | |-----------|--------------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:20 | Creative partnership begins | Sean & Hayes discuss work vs. friendship, intro Clea | | 04:48 | “Kobe beef” ideas, but nothing produced | Frustration with non-results | | 07:57 | Ageing beef / creative ideas | Ongoing staleness of unused ideas | | 08:56 | Richie’s “Shrimply” pitch | App world-building, shrimp synergy | | 17:07 | Shrimply’s insane pricing breakdown | $99/month for a beta shrimp app | | 19:28 | Shrimp app eroticism, licensing | “The world’s most powerful Afromandesiac … hundreds of them” | | 22:00 | Producer “note”—Young Love/Young Santa | Pivot to youth, referencing “Young Sheldon” | | 26:06 | “Gunkle Sam” as new movie concept | Celebrating America’s 251st birthday with a queer twist | | 34:06 | “Santa Cruz,” alternative Santas | Discussion of names/identities | | 39:54 | Hollywood reboot logic | “We did this before, just found it again… covers the tracks” | | 41:00 | Shrimp excess, SeaWorld | Escalating the ridiculousness | | 46:09 | “Using every part of the buffalo” | Embracing the full absurdity of the brainstorming process | | 48:22 | Simon Cowell/“Call Me By Your Name” riff | Satirizing casting, age gaps, and industry madness |

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Recap: Tone & Spirit

The episode is a masterclass in comedic meta-satire—Hollywood Handbook’s hallmark. The hosts and guest bounce between self-deprecation, absurdity, and industry-insider parody, with a warm undercurrent of genuine camaraderie despite poking fun at their own failings as collaborators. The tone is irreverent, deadpan, and often circular, folding on itself to create escalating jokes that lampoon both their efforts and the broader industry’s self-important development cycles.

Their unhinged “Shrimply” world-building and running “Kobe beef” conceit serve both as inside jokes and as sharp take-downs of the entertainment machine—where nothing ever gets made, notes spiral projects out to sea, and all trends are absurdly monetized.

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For New Listeners

You don’t need to know the show’s lore to follow the fun:

• If you enjoy comedy about the artifice of Hollywood, creative frustration, and endless idea-chasing, this episode is essential listening.
• Key takeaways: Friendship doesn’t always make for successful business, and the journey from idea to screen is so treacherous that sometimes, it’s easier (and funnier) to just keep pitching—especially if there’s shrimp.

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Listen for:

• “Shrimply” as the most dystopian food-sharing app
• Sean and Hayes’ mock-frustration with Clea’s work ethic
• An unbroken chain of pitch pivots, escalating from “Love and Santa” to “Gunkle Sam,” Santa Monica (Courtney Cox), and Simon Cowell’s love life
• Perfect send-up of how “Hollywood development” really works—by never working at all

Endnote: This is Hollywood development hell, reflected, refracted, and lovingly skewered.

Transcript

[Sean]

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[Richie]

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[Hayes]

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[Hayes]

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[Sean]

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[Richie]

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[Sean]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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[Sean]

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[Richie]

What?

[Sean]

Okay. Of course, but I told you.

[Hayes]

Thanks.

[Sean]

I, I, I told you what it would be. And thankfully, I think we've done this enough times that we're ready for it. Don't take it personal. Don't take it personal.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's fine.

[Sean]

It's not, it's, it's not personal with her. And what we've learned is it's always business, that the collaboration here. And I think we found there is something special when we put these ingredients together. There is a delicious stew to be made. But we had come to it with a misunderstanding that part of these creative partnerships, right. Is that there's a friendly, emotional element. And that's just not always the case with everyone. And just eyes open knowing that when Hayes and I work together, it's like we actually, like, love each other. Like, we are in love and we love each other. And so there's a joy in that, that it's like, is it a business? Yeah, I guess we get a little bit of dough for making the show, like, I guess that's, you know, part of it. That's not really why we do it. And then sometimes you encounter people cliquely, for instance, where that doesn't have to be a piece of it, that there's this warmth or joy in the process of making something. Right.

[Richie]

Yeah, I mean, I, I think that.

[Hayes]

No, you go now. No, go, go.

[Richie]

No, I mean I think that we creatively, we mesh like that is like you can't. The work that we have done together isn't.

[Sean]

I almost wish that wasn't the case. But it's undeniable.

[Richie]

It's undeniable. And I think that when we do try to add the personal element, that's when things go south.

[Hayes]

Well, this is part of. This is part of. I don't want to say the problem. And I, I'm a solutions guy. I always want to be coming with like of course. Here's how we, you know, I don't. We don't need to talk about the problem.

[Sean]

If I'm living in the problem, I'm not talking about the solution. All I want to do is in a practical way.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Figure out how to get where we need to go from here.

[Hayes]

I will tolerate anything, anything for the work, for the product. On the other side. Once that is in front of people, everything else is gone. Right. It doesn't need to be doing a show with someone I am in love

[Sean]

with to that happens to be the scenario that we're in.

[Hayes]

Doesn't have to be that to also have output and input every single week. Doesn't need to be.

[Sean]

That doesn't have to be.

[Hayes]

I do want to point out that while I agree with you, we have mesh creatively. The ideas are fucking the most like premium, like choice cuts, like Kobe beef, like the most beautiful marble round. And that makes it that much more frustrating that I do just want to point out. We have not made a movie. Not a single thing has come out of this partnership.

[Sean]

Not a frame has been shot to date. Which makes what we've created no less impressive.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Sean]

But it is difficult, yes, to

[Hayes]

share,

[Sean]

you know, some of the Kobe beef that has been generated when. And I'm gonna say you when you have failed to produce anything or do anything.

[Hayes]

Even turn the camera on.

[Sean]

Even turn the camera on.

[Richie]

I feel like the last time we were together we did talk about not using you language. And I want to point out that I feel you language has been used and that immediately puts me on the defensive. I'm not going to say who did it. I'm just talking about my own feelings here.

[Hayes]

Okay. But that's coming from. Okay. I honestly don't even know how to say this without doing the thing I

[Sean]

was supposed to do. I know, I know, I know. And I ran into it a little effort as well.

[Hayes]

Not using that language is coming from the person who needs to be talked about in a critical way to do that.

[Sean]

One of us in this room has not delivered on the promise of you

[Richie]

feel the collaboration in the room has not delivered.

[Hayes]

So that's why telling him what he feels is allowed.

[Richie]

I'm just helping him. I'm just helping him because it just

[Hayes]

seems like he doesn't want to figure out what's allowed. Apparently making a movie is not allowed.

[Sean]

Yes. That we know can't happen unless someone in the room. And it's not me, it's not Hayes, and it sure as fuck ain't. Richie does something with a camera to show everyone the genius ideas that we've

[Hayes]

been coming up with.

[Sean]

And we've had so much good stuff, the characters that we've created.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

I do want to point out that as time passes, as it tends to do, beef doesn't. You can age it, you can dry age it.

[Sean]

This is getting wet aged.

[Hayes]

It has to be in exactly the right conditions. And this beef is very wet.

[Sean]

It's starting to get wet aged.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

And the concept of, for example, a lot of the original premise of Love and Santa was kind of built around this idea of a swimply, which was a pool sharing app that was very, very popular when we first started doing

[Sean]

this, the time that we introduced it, 2022, that app was extremely relevant to the cultural conversation that was happening. Because of the unexpected delays in the physical production of the film, the country has moved on a little bit from swimpli. And I'm wondering actually if that element needs to be updated or removed. And we cannot remove it without replacing it with something.

[Richie]

Yes. And I do have something.

[Sean]

I agree with that. Okay.

[Richie]

When the other people at this table called me and asked me to come in, I had been waiting for this call. Cause again, the Kobe beef that I understand is getting wet, it's not soaked, but is getting there. So I did sort of line something up. A new sponsor who I think is going to help us bring Love and Santa to the screen. And it is shrimply. So it is sort of like a shrimp sharing site where you like, you go to places and you can get.

[Sean]

Site meaning website.

[Richie]

Well, app.

[Danielle Fishel]

App.

[Richie]

I'm sorry. Okay, sorry. It's an app and it's.

[Hayes]

Does it have a terrestrial landing page as well?

[Richie]

It's in beta right now. Like it will by the time. Like we need. They're sort of like we are sort of launching the film with Bet them.

[Sean]

But I think you want to drive people to the app at this point. I mean, even the. Even the landing page should just be.

[Hayes]

You don't want it to Be so easy to use that nobody is using the app.

[Richie]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Hayes]

Any of, like, location tracking and stuff. You can't have that with.

[Sean]

Yeah, you just can't farm the data in the same way without getting people to actually directly subscribe.

[Hayes]

Okay, Shrimply.

[Sean]

Okay, Shrimply.

[Hayes]

So we have a little bit of a surf and turf thing going on.

[Richie]

Exactly. Okay.

[Sean]

We have the beef, and then we have now the shrimp.

[Hayes]

And this is being used primarily by event caterers.

[Richie]

It's anyone who. It's the app, basically. You go on the app. It is always. You have to set the location sharing to always.

[Hayes]

Yes, always. Of course.

[Richie]

And it's basically anytime you are like, you want to. Like, you're like, I'm kind of hungry. I want, like, a snack. And then it shows you anywhere around you that I'm just.

[Sean]

I'm helping shrimp. I'm me. I'm craving shrimp. I want shrimp right now. Yes, I do. I do.

[Hayes]

What exactly? In your version of the world, Sean,

[Richie]

you don't have to do anything. You have the app always on. You get immediately.

[Hayes]

I have too many shrimp. I cannot eat all this shrimp. Yes, I do. What exactly?

[Richie]

Well, I mean, it depends on what you need. Like, okay, you have too much shrimp.

[Hayes]

Need somebody to eat my shrimp.

[Sean]

I'm me. I'm hungry. I want shrimp. My tummy's so crumbly. I want shrimp. I need it now.

[Hayes]

My tummy hurts.

[Sean]

The store's closed.

[Hayes]

I had too many shrimp. I cannot eat anymore.

[Sean]

I do what exactly?

[Richie]

Okay, so you have your. The app is location always sharing and notifications always on. So you are feeling so grumble, like, so hungry. And then notification. Oh, these are all the places that have shrimp near me.

[Sean]

This exists.

[Hayes]

It's in beta.

[Richie]

It's in beta. Yeah. And then you are. I have too much shrimp. What am I gonna do? You send an alert. It sends the alert to everyone around you. Shrimp this guy.

[Sean]

I have to have push notifications on always.

[Richie]

Yes.

[Sean]

And ask app2track. Is there a Please track?

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

Is there a bidding process?

[Richie]

I mean, I guess it depends on how. How many people are after your shrimp.

[Hayes]

Okay.

[Richie]

Because if you get this influx of people coming to you to come get your shrimp, like, they've gotten the notifications.

[Sean]

He's cheating off the shrimp.

[Richie]

It becomes that. Yes.

[Sean]

Quite a little bidness.

[Richie]

But then you can do, like, a buy it now, right, Hayes?

[Sean]

You hear what I say?

[Hayes]

Bid. Mm.

[Richie]

You would do a buy it now, the bidness model. I do think he heard it.

[Sean]

And you.

[Richie]

I heard it as well. Yes. I Heard it as well.

[Sean]

Richie, have you heard what I said?

[Hayes]

I did.

[Sean]

Business model.

[Hayes]

And I do what

[Richie]

you sell your shrimp to. So Sean is hungy. You sell your shrimp to Sean.

[Hayes]

Okay.

[Richie]

Sean buys your shrimp.

[Sean]

Don't point at me.

[Richie]

Richie and Sean show up at the same time, then we're in business.

[Sean]

Oh, so we don't know until we're outside the house where the shrimp are whether or not we have actually won the auction for the shrimp.

[Richie]

The shrimp is not guaranteed. No. If there's a ship.

[Sean]

So I get a push notification, I drive to the shrimp location. Then depending on how many other people are there, I, I guess from my car, enter an aggressive bidding war in order to be the winner of the shrimp by the time the shrimp opportunity.

[Richie]

Yeah, but you got.

[Hayes]

But you said if they show up at the same time, that's the only when the.

[Richie]

Yes.

[Hayes]

Because the location's being tracked. And so that automatically.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

Triggers the bidding protocol.

[Richie]

Yeah. But you can set a buy it now number.

[Hayes]

Okay.

[Richie]

So Sean, when you get that notification, you see the buy it now, you can buy the shrimp and then that you. You've secured the shrimp at that.

[Hayes]

And maybe like, that can be broken out where it's like selling. I can sell them in tranches.

[Richie]

Yes, yes, yes. It's up to you.

[Hayes]

Wants 300, 400 shrimp, then that's not

[Sean]

going to be enough. I'm me, I'm hungry for shrimp. I need way more than that at the point that I'm using this app that I've asked to track, and I'm. And I'm going with a big fat wallet, ready to bid. It's cash only. Yeah, of course.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Sean]

So, you know, I'm getting involved in this and I'm bidding against Richie. We're battling each other. I gotta have all the shrimp. I gotta know that I'm not gonna get undercut on some other section of shrimp.

[Hayes]

Now, if I'm shrimply, and this is no business of mine, but if it's cash only, I would expect that shrimply, the traditional model, would be taking a cut of the proceeds, some piece of the transaction. Unless it's. Is this a subscription based service?

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

So you pay a monthly fee just to have access to. To the resource to know where the shrimp is available?

[Richie]

Yes.

[Sean]

And is there a vetting process where only certain people are even going to be approved to have the privilege of being on shrimply?

[Richie]

Yes, it is very similar to Raya in that way.

[Hayes]

Okay.

[Sean]

Oh, that's interesting. So it's very exclusive, very elite membership on Shrimply.

[Richie]

There are also lots of ads. Lots of ads.

[Hayes]

Because they don't have the other funding stream.

[Richie]

That's how it makes me save you money.

[Hayes]

Now I get it. Of course. I'm so stupid. If they were taking a cut of the sales, people could show up for the shrimp and then they could just be like, hey, let's just do this. Let's take this off the app.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, why are we paying.

[Richie]

We're each paying a cut of this.

[Hayes]

Like, let's just work this out between us. You got the cash, I got the shrimp.

[Sean]

A lot of it seems to be honor system.

[Hayes]

Right. Unless by the time you get in the car, even by the time you get ready to post these shrimp, the transaction's already been made. I, like, I, I've, I've, I've paid my month already. And so shrimply, like, you know, that's all gravy for them.

[Sean]

Exactly.

[Hayes]

Could be good to put on the shrimp.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah. And this is something where I can just imagine rocket money having to cancel people's shrimp. Please. Because as I think about, I'm subscribing to this. And what will the monthly subscription cost for Premium membership?

[Richie]

Premium. 99.99.

[Sean]

99.99 per month, I think. And is there a yearly model as well?

[Richie]

And it does cost more to pay more per annual. Okay, but you do get.

[Sean]

But it's just a convenience. But it's just the convenience. So I'm thinking, let's say. So let's say I got the yearly.

[Richie]

Which is going to be 169.

[Sean]

Yeah. So then it's going to be like back of the napkin Math.

[Hayes]

Wait, it's 99.99amonth and 169.99 per year.

[Sean]

No, you're saying it's 169.9 per month? Yeah, I'll make for the 70s.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Like, okay, that's like $17 million. Okay. So it's like, you know, roughly. Roughly $2,000 a year.

[Richie]

It is easier to drink just for

[Sean]

the, just for the, just for the privilege to be allowed to bid on the shrimp, which can obviously get into the stratosphere if you have someone like Richie also craving shrimp at the same time. I don't think I'm going to use that more than eight or nine times

[Hayes]

a day.

[Sean]

I just don't see it. I don't see it coming up that often that I'm going to be entering these bidding wars double digit times per day. I just don't see It. Which is fine. But I do think that's where Rocket Money possibly could be a partner for us in this where when the bottom falls out of Shrimply because the elite, a tier membership like us is realizing, like we didn't need to do the yearly. We're only using this eight, maybe nine times a day.

[Hayes]

What I do see is people connecting with each other, strangers. And so like you mentioned, Raya, I honestly think. And there's like the smell of the shrimp. Is there? Yes. Like the area.

[Sean]

Extremely erotic.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

And so I really do see, I

[Sean]

think an erotic scent.

[Hayes]

I see what Shrimp Lee is doing and I think they could almost make their nut every year just on licensing the stories, which I assume they do own people's stories from how they connected on Trim Lake.

[Sean]

If we could partner. Yes. And now we're coming full circle right back to producing some piece of filmed content. Ideally with the camera on this time.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That we are doing sort of a modern romance, you know, anthology. Love, Dating, you know, today, current, all the crazy. Because people do all kinds of shit.

[Richie]

Oh yeah.

[Sean]

I mean, when I was a kid growing up, you didn't do all this stuff. What you saw was one person meeting fucking another person and that was it. But now what happens is there's dozens of people, robots, animals, plants, all this stuff. There's no rules anymore. I mean, it's disgusting. And with the shrimp involved, where they're putting it, I mean, I think the

[Hayes]

world's most powerful Afromandesiac thrown into the mix.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

Are you kidding me? Hundreds of them.

[Richie]

Sometimes thousands.

[Hayes]

Oh, my God. God.

[Sean]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hayes]

So I could really see this putting rocket booster shoes on. Love and Santa. Kevin had a note. Kevin, other room. The call of the other room. Just a minute with this man. What could possibly be in that other room?

[Richie]

Does he have two doors behind?

[Sean]

I can't picture the layout. Yes. You see behind him there's a door on each side of the room, but

[Hayes]

the other room is on both sides. So he has easiest possible access no matter where he is.

[Sean]

But one side is guarded by a demon who can only tell the truth, and the other is guarded by a demon who can only lie. And so even Kevin being able to get out of one of the doors is like this whole process for him. What's up, Clea?

[Richie]

Not much. How you doing?

[Sean]

Good to see you.

[Richie]

Good to see you as well.

[Hayes]

And this is the.

[Sean]

The.

[Hayes]

The dessert before the nasty medicine that he has, which is. He does have a. No, he had a suggestion. Yeah. About love and Santa. That he would like to share.

[Sean]

I don't think it necessarily fights what we've been talking about.

[Hayes]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Sean]

Oh, well, actually it does.

[Hayes]

Yes.

[Richie]

Okay.

[Hayes]

Five words. Young love and young Santa.

[Richie]

I feel like this fits in perfectly,

[Sean]

really, with the hypersexual, incredibly erotic sort of territory that we've wanted to explore that you think making everyone much younger is going to help.

[Hayes]

He wants to do. I think what, Kevin, are you thinking

[Richie]

like a young Sheldon? Cuz that is too young.

[Hayes]

I. I have not asked. I don't want to, like, probe this too far with Kevin. I wonder if we could split the difference and find like an off campus type scenario that that would be ideal.

[Sean]

I think Kevin is saying they shouldn't be that young for Pennsylvania, which I think because he has moved. He. His sort of standard, like what is normal has warped in some way. And I don't know if it's older or younger. I assume it is younger.

[Richie]

Okay.

[Sean]

And I just.

[Hayes]

It is.

[Sean]

I just don't want to engage with that at all with him.

[Hayes]

He moved to Pennsylvania. Get this. He moved to Pennsylvania because he thought that that was where the characters from Hotel Transylvania went to school. Kevin, are you hearing this?

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Richie]

Where in Pennsylvania?

[Hayes]

Pittsburgh. Do you see the hat?

[Richie]

Maybe I do now. Mm. I like Pennsylvania. Or Pittsburgh. Pennsylvania.

[Danielle Fishel]

Come visit.

[Hayes]

I got an extra room friend.

[Sean]

That's the same room.

[Hayes]

He's gonna be in there a lot.

[Sean]

It's the same room.

[Hayes]

It's that door. Yeah.

[Sean]

And you can lock one door, but the other one doesn't lock. It's. It's not good. I would not go use that room.

[Hayes]

Are you. Have you. You ever done a cup of coffee on any of these. These shows about the young people and they're sort of touching on each other, sort of doing frottage, horniness, and they're

[Sean]

all sneaking around, tricking. These people are pretending to be dating because they really want to be dating these other people. And these other people are being tricked by that. And then the people who are pretending are falling in love.

[Richie]

No, I haven't. But it doesn't. No, it doesn't mean that.

[Sean]

It doesn't help us.

[Richie]

I can't.

[Sean]

Well, it means you haven't.

[Richie]

It means I haven't. Yes, but it means that I am maybe.

[Hayes]

Can you do a show called High School?

[Richie]

Yeah, but we're not going that far.

[Hayes]

The producers of the show watching, like, thanks.

[Sean]

Well, we're not going that young. But what were they doing on that show? What were they doing on that show?

[Richie]

They were being in high school. And they were being. But not telling people that that was happening and then liking each other. But then it was complicated.

[Sean]

Well, this actually reminds me of something that I had as an idea and was not related to Kevin's side of it. But, you know, we did just celebrate America's 250th birthday. There's an air of patriotism. We have a habit of not giving ourselves enough Runway with these holiday movies we've been doing where we are always playing catch up. So we have a full year essentially from today. I think Santa should be in there. I think Santa could be young. I think love should be a part of it. Gunkle Sam.

[Richie]

Mm.

[Sean]

Gunkle Sam, Is this feeling right. Relevant right now?

[Richie]

So this would be for America's 251st birthday?

[Hayes]

Yes.

[Richie]

Which I think there will be the same amount of sort of fanfare.

[Sean]

Maybe he's waiting 250. 50 years to come out. Or, you know, I don't know exactly, but it's like with your experience with high school, that actually could be relevant. Certainly wasn't relevant to what we were talking about before. So I'm now helping, I think.

[Hayes]

Okay. You never see him with an Aunt Samantha. He's a confirmed bachelor type. He's got that bird that he. This is like a companion for him.

[Sean]

Yeah. It's an African grey.

[Hayes]

Yeah.

[Sean]

I mean, they live forever too. So it's like, you know, think of

[Richie]

the secrets that African Greywood's kind of spilled as well.

[Sean]

That's interesting.

[Hayes]

Telling everyone that the people on the show were being gay, even though they literally didn't want.

[Sean]

Explicitly were hiding it on the show.

[Hayes]

They told everyone what. And the producers are like, wow,

[Richie]

she

[Hayes]

acts like the show didn't happen. Now she's telling everyone that the people on it are being gay.

[Sean]

This could be a chance maybe to be more of an ally to Gunkle Sam than you were perhaps to some of the characters on the high school show.

[Hayes]

Gunkle. Gunkle Sam. Young Santa's Gunkle. Right. Is that like. Do we not overcomplicate this? Well.

[Sean]

And they both have beards.

[Hayes]

Yeah. They both have white hair.

[Sean]

And perhaps they both have beards.

[Richie]

I mean. Cause Santa, as we know, has a beard. But he is. He is. So does he have the beard as a young man? So. Yes.

[Hayes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean]

His beard is still Santa. We still need to recognize him as Santa.

[Hayes]

Yeah. And he should be roughly the same height.

[Richie]

And does Uncle Sam. Excuse me, Gunkle Sam. Also have the beard?

[Sean]

Yes.

[Richie]

Okay. So we're talking about literal and metaphor

[Sean]

beards for both of them.

[Richie]

Okay, can we talk more about the beard characters? The metaphorical beard characters? Like how are you? And is it that Gun said you

[Sean]

never see him without Samantha. But, but, but maybe there is. So that, that, that implies that he doesn't have a beard.

[Hayes]

Maybe he has a friend who like

[Sean]

maybe there plus one, you know, perpetually. And it's sort of, you know, just to avoid any questions. And, and, and, and maybe. And. Sometimes it feels so good to connect with you guys.

[Richie]

I know.

[Hayes]

Here's the.

[Sean]

Why today? Uncle Sam's losing the beard. Oh, Uncle Sam is losing the beard. Clean shaven.

[Hayes]

That one. Okay. And okay. Juniper. Juniper is actually a guy.

[Sean]

She met someone. She met someone and this arrangement isn't

[Hayes]

working for her anymore. Right.

[Richie]

Wow.

[Sean]

So now Uncle Sam is out there.

[Hayes]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Right. And this is where we bring in. Right. Some of this modern dating stuff we've been talking about. Some of this shrimply stuff we've been talking about.

[Hayes]

Right.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

Yes.

[Sean]

Gunkle. Sam is getting out there. Maybe a Roger Dodger thing with young Santa.

[Hayes]

Yeah. Yeah. He's giving young Santa directions on how to woo ladies. But he doesn't know.

[Sean]

Yes. Doesn't really have those tools.

[Hayes]

Right.

[Sean]

And he's deciding. Jesus Christ, I'm 251 years old. How long am I gonna wait to really seek my own contentment and happiness and explore my sexuality? Possibly through a shrimp based sharing app.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Sean]

That is tracking my location.

[Hayes]

You ever see Roger Dodger?

[Richie]

No.

[Hayes]

Campbell Scott? The Soup Man?

[Sean]

Young Jesse Eisenberg.

[Richie]

No.

[Sean]

Heisenberg. No Jesse Heisenberg.

[Richie]

So, okay, so in this movie Santa is also closeted.

[Sean]

And maybe so I don't have it yet. But it's like. And I don't have an impression. But it's, it's something where it's like, well, I am actually the one who knocks.

[Hayes]

That's really good. I was trying to think of something that rhyme with nox. That's really good. And he says he doesn't have it. Yeah.

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[Sean]

Hey everyone, it's Kal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay the Audible and I Heart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive Sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Hayes]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it.

[Danielle Fishel]

I was like, no.

[Hayes]

At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Sean]

Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. Now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills, but it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a [e-mail] Switch upfront payment

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[Sean]

Hollywood handbook.

[Hayes]

You said Santa's gay too.

[Richie]

No, I'm asking because you're saying if they both have beards and they have beards, that implies. But is Santa's beard more about covering up that he is Santa? Cause he's not like more of a Clark.

[Sean]

Yeah, I maybe shouldn't have said that.

[Richie]

You shouldn't have said that because I feel really confused now.

[Sean]

I shouldn't have said that.

[Richie]

Can you just. Because we are vibing so hard. I know, and I just want to ask.

[Sean]

The movie is just opening up for me.

[Hayes]

I do like your idea that he needs a beard type character to prevent people from knowing that he is married to Mrs. Claus, which would reveal that he is Santa.

[Richie]

So she is still Mrs. Claus in the movie.

[Hayes]

Yeah.

[Richie]

And he has a different name.

[Hayes]

His name is Santa, but maybe his last name is different.

[Sean]

Okay, he's not Santa Claus. Right.

[Hayes]

Because he's not revealing that he's married to Mrs. Claus.

[Richie]

Right.

[Hayes]

Which would of course, he could be Santa Cruz, everyone. Santa Cruz. Like, like Tom Cruise.

[Sean]

Like Tom Cruise. Yeah, he's. He's like Tom Cruise's, you know, cousin or something. I guess William Mapother is already Tom Cruise's cousin.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Ethan from Lost.

[Hayes]

Yeah.

[Sean]

Well, he could have more than one cousin. I mean, that doesn't break the reality, does it?

[Richie]

I don't know. For me, I actually did make a movie with William MacArthur. We played husband and wife. So I don't know if I'm gonna

[Sean]

be able to separate that.

[Richie]

Yeah, I just don't think I'm gonna be able to separate that.

[Sean]

Well, what if we cast him as Santa Cruz? Yeah, I mean, is that good casting then for Santa Cruz? For young Santa Cruz, we get William Mapother.

[Richie]

Could we do Santa Monica and maybe then Monica Lewinsky. Monica Lewinsky. Or I was thinking.

[Hayes]

Wait, you want to cast Monica Lewinsky as Santa Claus?

[Richie]

Well, I was actually thinking of Courtney Cox.

[Hayes]

You want to cast Courtney Cox as. Oh, You want her character from the show called Friends.

[Richie]

Yeah, the Friends.

[Sean]

Wouldn't hurt to be connected to that IP, by the way.

[Hayes]

2b.

[Sean]

Young people are actually watching these older sitcoms. They actually are watching that. You know, it's like, is the sitcom dead or are we just not making anything like Friends anymore? Because they're watching this.

[Richie]

Yes.

[Sean]

So what happened? They don't want these short episodes. They want big episodes.

[Hayes]

But then we give them adults and

[Sean]

what do they say? And then we hand deliver. No. Yes. We give them overcompensated.

[Hayes]

We didn't want that. We give them over.

[Richie]

No.

[Sean]

No, thank you. I'm not hungry.

[Hayes]

Eat it.

[Richie]

It's.

[Sean]

Finish your supper.

[Richie]

It is true. I. I admit that it is.

[Sean]

How many shows with O and Theal do you want? You said you let go and theal. Well, here's a whole damn Owen meal, and all of a sudden you're not hungry? I'm sorry. This generation. I'm sorry. Make me fucking sick. Go ahead. Yeah. It makes me wonder why we're making anything. Well, no, it makes me wonder why we're making anything.

[Richie]

Okay.

[Hayes]

And we're not. No, we haven't.

[Sean]

And we haven't. And we haven't. Maybe you were right. I didn't mean you. Maybe someone in this room was right to not literally do anything at all.

[Richie]

I don't know. I know that. I don't think Courtney Cox is right for the part, but for Santa Monica.

[Hayes]

But we should cast her.

[Richie]

But I do think it would be interesting. Yeah, it would definitely. Like, nobody's gonna suspect that she's sad.

[Hayes]

She's completely wrong. Yeah. But we should do it.

[Sean]

We gotta put her in the show then. Yeah, Right.

[Richie]

Cause then it kind of maybe becomes like a backdoor pilot for The Friends Part 2.

[Hayes]

Right. Or maybe just do the old one again. Are you allowed to do that? Say this was a backdoor pilot, and then the old one was your idea, and then when they put it on tv, it was your idea. Now, are you allowed to do that?

[Richie]

I don't think you're not allowed to do it.

[Hayes]

So we found it.

[Sean]

We got to do that. If you're allowed to do that at all. We got.

[Hayes]

Can we say we found that we did it before and we just found it right now?

[Richie]

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like.

[Hayes]

And that would explain why we hadn't done anything in so long is because we did this before. Saying we did it before.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

And we use, like, an old camera.

[Sean]

The old camera covers the tracks.

[Hayes]

Do you have an old camera?

[Sean]

How old is your camera?

[Richie]

I mean, at least 30 years.

[Danielle Fishel]

Old.

[Sean]

That feels like Kevin goes, ew.

[Richie]

Too old.

[Sean]

Stop it.

[Richie]

I don't know. That show just did so well and people are still watching it and I just.

[Sean]

They are.

[Richie]

And I feel like it's an easier. Like, I. I know that Shrimp Lee would feel more comfortable with something that was guaranteed to be.

[Sean]

Well, we do have to collaborate with our partners.

[Hayes]

He's uncle Sam. The 250th has just happened. Not as many people showed up as he thought. That big.

[Sean]

To the bash.

[Hayes]

To the bash. Now he's sitting on literally enough shrimp to fill Fort Knox.

[Richie]

Yes.

[Sean]

And he's calling Sea World.

[Hayes]

Yeah.

[Sean]

He's calling up SeaWorld saying, Can you take any of these shrimp off my hands? I know you got some big ass fish over there. They're not taking his call.

[Hayes]

And so a shrimply, I mean, this is like where they send a sales rep. You know, this is not like, you know, they have a whole client management process for whales like this. Talking about SeaWorld.

[Sean]

No, really think about that. SeaWorld whales.

[Hayes]

This is, this is the Gunkle Sam account. This is blackfish.

[Sean]

Gunkle Sam. Right.

[Hayes]

Mm.

[Sean]

Damn.

[Hayes]

Orca. This is where, you know, you gotta take shrimply out of Betta real quick. Also a kind of fish. They have it at the store. A betta fish.

[Sean]

Another name for a fish. Don't play koi fish.

[Richie]

Can we stop carping on this and just like get to the other part of what you were saying?

[Hayes]

Okay. The guy young Santa works for, Shrimply, he's the sales rep. Oh, my gosh.

[Sean]

Oh, yes. And it's like we're sending you to handle our most important account, but he's a young guy.

[Hayes]

He's just out of.

[Sean]

It's, it's, it's, it's.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Sean]

And been training under this veteran. And it's like you're finally, you know.

[Hayes]

Yeah.

[Sean]

You're going to be given the range

[Hayes]

to be the veteran.

[Sean]

So nice if we can get the Superman for that. Campbell Scott's the veteran at the shrimp Lee Co. Who's, you know, now tasked with training up this young pup. Santa Cruz producer hat. Maybe it's William Mapother.

[Hayes]

Santa Monica. Santa Monica.

[Sean]

Santa Monica.

[Hayes]

Yeah, we did, I think. And it's Courtney Cox and it's Courteney Cox, even though she's wrong for it completely.

[Sean]

I was not. I was thinking about something else during some of the Santa Monica discussion, and I didn't really hear a lot of that. Which, by the way, is part of our process too. That can be so nice to make sure everyone's on the same page by just someone ignores some of it. And then we all have a nice chance to recap when they're talking about an old version of it several minutes later.

[Richie]

Okay.

[Hayes]

She could say Santa Monica, I am the one who locks.

[Sean]

Uh huh.

[Hayes]

Like fish.

[Sean]

Yeah.

[Hayes]

I'm the one who locks. Do they sell other other. They just.

[Sean]

Does Shrimply have locks? Yeah, that's salmon. Yeah, that's not gonna be.

[Hayes]

Yeah, but there's always gonna be. There's never gonna be any leftover locks from these events. Like that stuff goes.

[Richie]

Yeah.

[Sean]

People are throwing it in their purse if it's not finished, you know, they're. They're not leaving that.

[Hayes]

And it keeps like, we don't need to do anything with that. The shrimp. You gotta, like, you gotta get that out the door.

[Sean]

No quickness. It's not.

[Hayes]

Yeah.

[Sean]

It's not gonna have the same shelf life built in. There's a fantastic ticking clock forcing the audience to feel the stakes. I mean, this is. This is Die Hard.

[Hayes]

Or is. I mean, like, I went straight to. I'm trying to get our characters together as quickly as possible.

[Richie]

Yes, of course.

[Hayes]

Like, that's what people are gonna be doing.

[Sean]

I think people will forgive a little bit of extra shoe leather at the top of the film if we actually force these great characters into situations where they can bounce off each other and create these wonderful dynamics. That feels kind of like hanging out with your actual friends.

[Hayes]

Right.

[Sean]

It's that time in your life when your friends are your family and one of your friends is Uncle Sam and one of your friends is young Santa Monica.

[Hayes]

Young Santa Monica shows up, meets Uncle Sam. She's gotta land the plane on this account for Shrimply. But pretty soon she realizes that what she is actually, she's not just connecting Gunkle Sam with someone to buy his shrimp. She is playing sort of a serial de Berger act type character where she is trying to find Gunkle Sam, a man.

[Sean]

Tis cupic.

[Richie]

Would it be the soup man?

[Hayes]

Yes.

[Sean]

Oh, yes.

[Hayes]

Yes.

[Sean]

We're using every part of the buffalo. Isn't that beautiful?

[Richie]

It's beautiful.

[Hayes]

Yes.

[Sean]

Bravo, Clickly. It was staring us right in the face. The soup man and Gunko Sam and the suit man's jaded. Yeah. He's seen everything under the sun, handling these big shrimp accounts. And I think at first he and Gunkle Sam, they're butt necks, right?

[Richie]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean]

But then later they're button heads together so they can make out their butt and heads. Yeah, they're butt and heads.

[Hayes]

King of mushroom. I mean, that's just what.

[Richie]

Who do you see as kind of suit? Who do you see as Gunkle Sam?

[Hayes]

I mean, it would have to be someone pretty old.

[Sean]

I think it would be helpful. We're saying that they're 251 at this point, or 250, but I do want to invite an audience that can stay with us through the sequels and stuff. So I don't want to go too crazy.

[Hayes]

Campbell is gotta be in his mid-70s at this point. Minimum. Right.

[Sean]

Here's an interesting question. Should they be American or should they be British, as they were here for sort of the conception of this country? And so should there be a little hint of that? A little bit of, you know, a little bit of a whisper of some of that old world European culture?

[Hayes]

Do you have someone I know. Whenever you have an idea like this, it's because you have.

[Sean]

When I ask a question, there's usually an answer that I. Who do you have? What are you up to? Simon Cowell.

[Richie]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

Perfect.

[Sean]

I mean, is it Simon Cowell? His face.

[Hayes]

Love Simon.

[Sean]

Love Simon.

[Richie]

Love.

[Hayes]

And Simon love his face.

[Sean]

His face does not betray his age.

[Hayes]

And yugs hat. And love Simon.

[Sean]

So the fact that we can cast someone who is on the older side, probably similar age to the suitman, we could do.

[Hayes]

But that they read young, read very young, we could do. Honestly, an aged up, call me by your name type thing with the gap between what Simon Cowell is presenting looks like. Yes. And Campbell Scott. And Simon is Timothy. And Campbell is ideally not Army Hammer like.

[Richie]

But yeah. Wait. Simon is Gunkle. The suit man is.

[Sean]

Go ahead.

[Richie]

The hell is like showing Santa the ropes.

[Sean]

He's the old. He's like, you know, headed for retirement from the. From the Shrimpley Company.

[Richie]

It's his last week at the. At the company. Yep.

[Sean]

He's. All he's got to do is pass off this one major account. Young whiz kid Courtney Cox.

[Richie]

Courtney Cox.

[Hayes]

And then she ultimately sets him up with Gunkle Sam, and then he is showing Guncle Sam the ropes.

[Richie]

Which ropes?

[Hayes]

Please don't ask me that.

[Richie]

We'll figure that out. I feel like we can figure that out on the day.

[Sean]

Bye. Hollywood Handbook. Hey, everyone, it's Kalpen. I'm inviting you to join the best sounding book club you've ever heard with my podcast, Hearsay, the Audible, and Iheart Audiobook Club. Every episode, I nerd out with amazing guests and dive into the best new audiobooks available on Audible. It's the book club for your ears. Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcast. Across America, money is being abandoned. By taking a few seconds to check Lyft before your next ride, you can give money a better home inside your wallet. Save the money. Check Lift some so called SUVs feel more like toys. You need a real vehicle that'll handle real life. A real SUV like the all new 2027 Kia Seltos with its best in class interior room. It'll make the others feel like toys. Check out the new 2027 Kia Seltos X line. It's real world ready Kia Movement that inspires limited inventory Available Comparison based on publicly available data regarding Cargo Room and 2026 entry All Wheel Drive CUVs as of May 2026 entry All Wheel drive CUV class as defined by Kia Segmentation Honey, Felipe sent another photo from Argentina.

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