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Brett Vesely
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John Holmberg
Do not listen to this while driving or when full alertness is needed. The best of Holmberg's morning sickness. This is the big red radio and then I saw. Oh man. Got dark at my house Saturday. Oh, not like that. It was like 2 in the morning. I was awake watching TV and I searched this out. Remember the Brazen bull we've talked about like terrible punishment. Brand new one. Like a lot of have had like all the brazen bull or drawn and quartered or you know, those old ways that they used to punish people.
Conversation Partner
Rack.
John Holmberg
The rack was horrifying. This is the best one. Romans did this and the end of it's the most amazing part. So it was one of the worst. I don't know if this is worse or better than the brazen bull, but it's pretty bad. So if you ever committed a crime against your grandfather or father up to murder but anything abusive towards either, they considered it patricide no matter what. If you tried it, if you failed, if you succeeded Whatever. And the punishment in the Roman culture was to throw you into a sack made of wolf skin, sew it up. But before they sewed it up, they threw in a monkey, a chicken and a mean dog.
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John Holmberg
On top of that? Yeah, on top of that. They whipped you first to open you up, to get you, you know, bleeding and stuff. The snakes would start working on you. They didn't. They weren' fully venomous, like. But they bite and mess with you and, like, make you a little bit dizzy, I guess. I don't know how they did it, but it was to slay, stave off crimes against the family. And the big giant sack. They'd sew the wolf skins together and put you in there. And then when it got real bad, it was called poena quelle. And they would. They'd get all these people like that. They're like, oh, you did a crime against your father and stuff in there. And they'd suck. Sometimes it wasn't just like, the chicken would be really mad, and then the dog would be one of those. You know, it wasn't like today's not like a Pekingese or anything. You're going in there with one of those Guadalupe street dogs. And then either way, you were gonna die from suffocation while the animals just chowed down on you. They don't call it. They refer to it. They had another one too, but this one was. The man with the snakes would go in and the snakes were there. Then they'd throw in hot water. Sometimes they were also punishing the animal. And it would take hours and hours and hours. Sometimes the animals wouldn't attack right away. You're not breathing real good, you start getting a little panicky. They start getting a little panicky, they start fighting. So if they threw you in there, they have another thing called the. It's called procurial prodigi. The drowning of monsters, which they'd remove. Like, the person would be put into this sack and it would float because evidently it had some floating principles to it. Slowly sinking while you're fighting these animals in the bag. And it had a symbolic meaning. If they put a monkey in there with you, they thought it's because you're dumb, because monkeys are low instinct. So they would say, it's a man who doesn't know what he's up to. The rooster symbolized a lack of attachment to things. And the dog was to represent hell. And I'm watching this thing. This is phenomenal stuff. And then the snakes were based on Medusa. Like, you had wronged a God or something like that. So the wrongdoer gets tossed into the wolf skin sack. They throw them in there. They add wooden clogs in to keep you from. They put them on your feet because they're like, that's your disconnect from the world. There's something between you and the ground.
Conversation Partner
Elaborate design.
John Holmberg
They strip your clothes off, whip you naked till you were bloody, and then stuff you in there and then chuck you in the river while it was going on. It's insane. Your bones would be. And the animal bones would be thrown in together after they go get the sack to see the damage that got done. And here's the fun part. It was really popular in the era of crosses and crucifixions. Guess when they stopped doing it the last time this practice was in play over there in your land, Italy, and those loonies. Now I'm saying, guess when it was still okay to do it. Your people have probably still done it.
Brett Vesely
Yeah. I don't see a problem.
John Holmberg
1762 was the last sack. That was the last time. They're like, government issued. Like, let's put them in one of those. Those sacks with a dog, a chicken and a monkey.
Brett Vesely
Spray it back.
John Holmberg
1762, they ran it for. Yeah. 15 years later, there's a United States. But prior to that, they're still putting a monkey, a dog and a chicken in a bag with a dude who wronged his dad.
Brett Vesely
I feel bad for the monkey, dog and the chicken.
John Holmberg
Well, they were also bad monkeys, dogs, and chickens. Yeah. They had committed crimes. They committed crimes, too. Come on. The criminal chickens were running. Running the streets for quite a while. I thought that was the coolest thing ever. Ever.
Conversation Partner
That's why they always listen to their dad, grandfather. It rarely happened.
John Holmberg
Well, man, you're gonna do this.
Conversation Partner
Here's the punishment.
John Holmberg
Yeah. I mean, yeah, you listen to your parents. If the Bible wasn't enough to scare people and somebody got a little uppity and was like, I'm gonna hit my dad in the face with this stick. All right. Into the sack with the angry. And where do you get all the angry monkeys? Whole bunch of them just waiting.
Conversation Partner
Because horrifying only has to happen one time and it becomes a legend.
John Holmberg
Man, I can't imagine, like, I. You want to hit your dad and then you realize if he turns you in or if you kill him, like, you can't even leave him. You can't kill him, so he can't tell the story on you. You kill him, you're definitely getting in there. And the. And the worse your crime was, the more, like, horrible the animal. Like, the vicious dog would have been a wolf. They'd have stuffed a wolf inside. They sewed these gigantic.
Conversation Partner
Killing him and doing one thing, but, like, I just can't see a. A dad. Like, if you did it and he's still alive or you're talking about Joe Biden putting them in the.
John Holmberg
Yeah, this would have been. Well, technically, you didn't commit a crime against his dad, but he kind of did. He kind of embarrassed the family, which is what it turned into with the Italians, but they're embarrassed. The family gonna put you in a bag with a monkey. A chicken, maybe a vicious dog. There's, like, a lot of hassle, though.
Conversation Partner
There is a lot.
John Holmberg
There's a lot going on. Yeah, well, they didn't have a ton of the crimes, I'm guessing, so. They had.
Conversation Partner
That's what I'm saying. It only has to happen one.
John Holmberg
That was the other thing. The sack you could double use. So they take out the beast and they pour everybody's bones out in a pile in a city to let everybody know. This is what happens. There's a. There's a chicken, a monkey, a dude, and a vicious dog all piled up in the middle of the city and just chewed up.
Byron
And you're.
John Holmberg
You know, you're fighting too. You're. You're not in that sack taking it all. You're gonna. First things first. I'm taking the chicken out, like, the second I'm in that rooster. Whatever. Dropping them like a bad habit. Yeah, I'm wrestling the. In the bag, that's for sure. The dog and I try to make friends with them. You know, I'm good with dogs. A little dog whisper a little. The snakes. I'm out. I'm screwed on the snakes. There's nothing you can do with them.
Conversation Partner
It's just squirming around because there it is.
John Holmberg
It's dark.
Brett Vesely
What about the monkeys?
John Holmberg
And then the monkey. I don't know what to do with that thing.
Conversation Partner
It's going crazy.
John Holmberg
I'm hoping the monkey and the dog would start a beef, and I can lay over in the corner of that bag and just be part of it.
Brett Vesely
What are you gonna be in the corner going. You hear what he said about your monkey?
John Holmberg
Monkey? That dog's been mouthing off.
Conversation Partner
I mean, everyone.
John Holmberg
Eat some snakes while you're at it.
Conversation Partner
Everyone's trying to get out.
John Holmberg
Oh, yeah. You're trying to claw out, and they're freaking out, and you're in your track. It's the. It's one of the most vicious ones I've ever seen. The brazen bull's terrible where they cook inside that big brass bowl and then your screams are bullhorned out through some acoustic thing that they put the slow.
Conversation Partner
Boil is similar to the razor bull man.
John Holmberg
Slow boil brazen bowl.
Conversation Partner
But this one cauldron and wait half.
Larry McFeely
Hour I think you'd like.
Conversation Partner
So hot you can't get out.
John Holmberg
You'd start to pass out inside the brazen bowl. I think you'd have to right?
Brett Vesely
What?
John Holmberg
98.
Byron
No way.
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Conversation Partner
A dog in the bag.
John Holmberg
The dog changes everything. Because you wouldn't want to be in the bag if the dog and the monkey are fighting on top of you. I mean, it's horrible. It's like the most horrible thing.
Conversation Partner
Make room for the presa Canarium.
John Holmberg
Yeah. And you can't see it, so you're just swinging. And I don't know what you're fighting for. You just got to fight, right?
Brett Vesely
Because even if you survive, they're going to. You're dead when they pull you out.
John Holmberg
You're going to suffocate in the bag. You can't win. So you just lay there and take your. But they just start chowing down on your bloody skin. They put. That's a. That's a rough one. So good job by the old school Romans, man.
Conversation Partner
Oh, what's the other one? Where they put the. Cut your stomach, your chest, and they put the bucket over with rats.
John Holmberg
Oh, yeah. And they slowly eat you. And then they push that one out into the water. Yeah, they push that into the water. And you're in a boat slowly being devoured by rats. Hey, you're not gonna f up, man. Oh, man.
Brett Vesely
See, that was kind of a Punishments.
John Holmberg
You hear that? Prisoners listening right now. And I know you are crying about you got your legal bookcase. You got to go your 12, you know, appeals. Things used to be different around here. That's a mattress. 1762. They're like, we can't do this anymore.
Conversation Partner
Get the bag.
John Holmberg
One more. One more. All right, one more. We'll do one more.
Byron
Come on.
John Holmberg
This guy took a swing at his dad. Let's get him in a bucket. I got a monkey. I got nothing to do with him. Pretty awesome.
Conversation Partner
That's what it came down to.
John Holmberg
Yeah.
Conversation Partner
They're down to one of everything. One dog, one monkey. Let's use them.
John Holmberg
This is it. The last. And then, dude, they like. That's it. All right. You guys are. That's our last monkey and our last vicious dog. We're out of them. It took us almost 2,000 years to get through them all. And where we did it. Nice job.
Conversation Partner
Peter finally won.
John Holmberg
I wonder if Peter was involved. The early days of PETA. That's pretty amazing if you ask me. I like that story. Joshua emails and says listening to you this morning, I have to put. Per my understanding, and maybe I'm wrong, the size of a man's penis matters only from the perspective of ego. Actual biological factors regarding size don't factor in because a majority of the nerve endings with respect to a woman's roast beef. Oh, thanks for keeping it so classy, so scientific. Yes, in respect to a woman's roast beef.
Brett Vesely
Anyway.
John Holmberg
With respect to women's roast beef are the first and first third of her opening, which is also whatever. According to a sex therapist who I once saw on letterman years ago. Great show. Peace out, John. Yes, we all say that to each other, but you've never once. Women lie about this constantly, that it doesn't matter, and they have science, and they go on TV and say, it's just a. You never. If that were true, that the greater pleasure was the less you go in, Women would sit around postinos and brag about their new boyfriend's tiny wiener. You've never heard a girl tell a guy, is it little? You're so lucky it doesn't happen that way. They're all seeking out an ample girthy wang. And if you don't have one, you can make all the scientific research you want. Well, I've heard it's only the first third of her roast beef that matters. It's like, all right.
Conversation Partner
In all journals, no woman has sat.
John Holmberg
Down like, oh, I met the most perfect guy. He's 6 foot 4. He's in great shape. He's got a good job. And ladies, wait till you hear about how small his penis is. It's perfect. Oh, God, you're so lucky. You're the luckiest girl in the world. My husband's penis is huge.
Conversation Partner
What's your roast beef index?
John Holmberg
Yeah. So good. I mean, I hold up my pinky and I just go crazy. They don't sell when you go to fascinations. Tiny little wieners on the wall. So ladies stop it. And men stop caring.
Brett Vesely
I think it's a visual thing with them as well, though. Even if that's the truth of the. You know, the little. The first third of the roast beef.
John Holmberg
Exactly. There's.
Brett Vesely
It's like us looking at big cans.
John Holmberg
Exactly.
Brett Vesely
In a great ass.
John Holmberg
We really don't have anything to do with those. They don't give us a whole lot of pleasure. It's just a visual spectacular. Also, at the sex stores, the fascinations in the. And the castle, you don't go over to the men's section and see just an absolutely tattered mess of a fake vagina. Oh, yeah. They don't build barbecue hanging up there on the wall. There are ugly genitals and they're candle. Yeah. What? Guys, this one's in too much sun. Nope. That's how it's supposed to look lucky. Looks like the bottom of a sucker fish. No. Get this out of here. So, yeah, stop it with the whole it doesn't matter thing. It does. It absolutely does. Because otherwise they'd be bragging like crazy. I would have watched Love is Blind and going, oh, my God, I was with Damien. His wiener was so little. It was perfect. They don't talk about that. So watch your scientist on Letterman reruns. That lady says that all you need is about an inch and a half. Right? That's what ladies lose their minds over a peanut. That's why they can't stop looking at bags of nuts. Dumb. And. And in the end, it doesn't matter unless you're really small. And that's what if you're tiny micro, you're worthless.
Conversation Partner
Yeah, you're tough game.
John Holmberg
Yeah, you're no good. You're no good, but there's ways around it. And you have to be better at a bunch of other stuff. And you better be funny and you better have a good job. Because if you're pulling in 26 grand a year and you don't have much personality and a micro penis and you can't figure out how come you can't close a deal.
Brett Vesely
Wow.
John Holmberg
There's three reasons.
Conversation Partner
Money grows it.
John Holmberg
Money makes it huge. Money makes them not care. Fact. It doesn't matter to them. They're. They're snowing you. And penis size doesn't matter. But what does matter is better be able to pay for everything. That's right. And you better not be a deadbeat. Then they look at your penis as just a. You know. Same way we'll take a woman. Look, Oprah is not exactly physically my type, but she shows up and I guarantee you that's the prettiest honeyhole I've ever seen. No matter what it looks like, because all I see is shaped as a dollar sign.
Brett Vesely
So jealous of Steadman?
John Holmberg
Exactly. I'm jealous of. Of Jeff Bezos ex wife. I don't even know if she's done anything, but she's got enough to make that thing.
Conversation Partner
Throwing billions to charity.
John Holmberg
I don't care if that looks like, you know that cave that little. The young soccer team got lost in? It's beautiful to me because I know her desert financial account is phenomenal.
Brett Vesely
Franco says when it comes to size, never had a complaint. If I did, wouldn't care.
John Holmberg
That's exactly right. Stop caring if they complain you still banged them.
Brett Vesely
Yeah. Got mine?
John Holmberg
Yep. Oh, well. It's like Roseanne Barr had the nerve to go on TV 30 years ago and say, tom Arnold had a little wiener. And Tom Arnold had the perfect response. He goes, Hey, 747 looks small in the Grand Canyon.
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Date: January 19, 2026
Hosts: John Holmberg, Brett Vesely, Brady Bogen, Dick Toledo
Guest voices: Unidentified conversation partners, Byron (MMP Guns)
This episode dives into the fascinating and brutal history of ancient punishment methods, focusing on the infamous Roman "sack punishment" and the Brazen Bull. The crew recounts shocking details, discusses the psychological purposes behind historical torture, then pivots into a candid, comedic debate about the perennial topic of genital size—specifically debunking myths and sharing observations about what really matters in relationships.
John Holmberg tells the story of a particularly horrifying Roman execution reserved for those who committed crimes against fathers or grandfathers (primarily patricide).
Victims were first whipped, sometimes snakes were added, and the sack was thrown into a river.
Symbolism of animals:
Discussion about the elaborate design of the punishment, the symbolism, and how rare and effective it must have been for deterring crime.
Notable Quote:
The crew debates the experience if put in such a sack, discussing hypothetical survival tactics and empathizing humorously with the animals.
Holmberg and crew dispute the "first third" narrative with humor and skepticism, arguing that if size truly didn’t matter, women would openly brag about small partners but they don’t.
The hosts compare the "visual appeal" of size to men preferring big breasts or butts, acknowledging it's more about visual attraction than physical sensation.
They joke about the lack of "ugly genitals" in adult stores, reinforcing that some preferences aren't driven solely by science.
The conversation evolves into advice: If you’re lacking in one area (size), you'd better make up for it with wealth or charm.
Hilarious comparisons of what constitutes attraction when wealth is in play:
A listener chimes in: "When it comes to size, never had a complaint. If I did, wouldn't care." (17:12, Brett Vesely reads listener Franco’s message)
Holmberg delivers a memorable comeback on size shaming:
History lesson with a punch:
"1762 was the last sack. That was the last time... Let's put them in one of those sacks with a dog, a chicken and a monkey." — John Holmberg (05:16)
Surviving the sack:
"First things first. I'm taking the chicken out, like, the second I'm in that rooster. Whatever. Dropping them like a bad habit." — John Holmberg (07:41)
Skepticism about ‘size doesn’t matter’:
"You've never heard a girl tell a guy, 'is it little? You're so lucky.’ It doesn't happen that way. They're all seeking out an ample, girthy wang." — John Holmberg (13:26)
Money trumps all:
"Money makes it huge. Money makes them not care. Fact." — John Holmberg (16:16)
Ultimate size comeback:
"Hey, 747 looks small in the Grand Canyon." — Tom Arnold (quoted by John Holmberg) (17:20)
The conversation is irreverent, darkly humorous, and unfiltered—exactly what fans expect from Holmberg's Morning Sickness. The hosts riff off each other’s jokes, take listener emails in stride, and oscillate between brutal history lessons and modern social commentary in a way that is both informative and wildly entertaining. There’s never a dull moment, and the energy remains high as they tackle taboo and morbid topics with wit and candor.
In summary, this episode offers a vivid, often grisly tour through ancient punishment methods, blending gruesome historical facts with sharp contemporary humor about masculinity and relationships—a characteristic blend that will amuse, challenge, and entertain listeners, even if they missed the live show.