02-05-25 - John Looked Up The Stats On Exactly How Many Trans Athletes Were Trying To Compete In Women's Sports And Was Shocked At The Number

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona: Episode Summary (02-05-25)

Podcast Information:

• Title: Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona
• Host: John Holmberg
• Guests: Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo
• Broadcast: 98 KUPD | Hubbard Radio
• Release Date: February 5, 2025
• Episode Topic: Examination of Trans Athletes Competing in Women's Sports

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Introduction to the Topic

In the February 5, 2025 episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness, host John Holmberg leads a provocative discussion on the participation of transgender athletes in women's sports. Assisted by Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo, the conversation delves into the statistical presence of trans athletes and the ensuing debates surrounding fairness and competition integrity.

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Statistical Overview of Trans Athletes in Women's Sports

Brady Bogen initiates the discussion by challenging the commonly perceived numbers of transgender athletes competing in women's sports. He asserts that the actual number is significantly lower than public discourse suggests.

Brady (04:15): "Take a guess at, at its peak, how many athletes we were protecting in the United States from wanting to play sports ... how many are we talking about that have caused this uproar to where we're arguing about this?"

John Holmberg responds succinctly:

Homburg (04:15): "5."

Brady elaborates, claiming that the number hovers between 8 to 17 athletes nationwide, a stark contrast to the widely cited figures of thousands.

Brady (04:18): "With that 17. At its peak, it hovers usually somewhere between 8, 9 people. ... 17 people total in the entire United States."

He emphasizes that the debate is disproportionately fueled by a small group, leading to national discussions and policy considerations.

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Impact on Sports and Fairness

The conversation shifts to the implications of trans athletes competing in women's sports, particularly in contact and non-contact categories. Brady argues that physical disparities inherently create unfair advantages.

Brady (06:00): "I don't think a transgender man should be able to swap out ... a boxing ring. ... 140 pound man is stronger than 140 pound woman."

He shares personal anecdotes from his experience in the boxing ring, highlighting perceived physical advantages and advocating for separate categories to maintain competitive balance.

Brady (06:30): "But fair enough. But I do know that in a real battle of sport, fighting a man and a woman, it's an automatic unfair advantage."

The hosts discuss various sports, including tennis and gymnastics, underscoring the challenges in maintaining fair competition.

Brady (07:52): "Men in tennis will serve at 140 occasions ..."

Homburg (08:18): "And we haven't had a woman yet try to go over on the men's tour..."

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Public Perception and Media Influence

Brady critiques the media's role in amplifying the issue, suggesting that both political motivations and sensational reporting escalate the debate beyond its actual scale.

Brady (12:25): "17 people for the most part. At its peak. I thought it was a lot more than that."

Brady (15:23): "Probably enough."

He posits that media outlets like Fox and CNN exploit the topic to energize their respective audiences, turning a minor issue into a national spectacle.

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Alternative Solutions and Future Considerations

The hosts contemplate potential resolutions, such as creating separate leagues or divisions for trans athletes, to preserve competitive fairness without exclusion.

Brady (16:33): "Trans athletes should have a chance. 17 is the number."

Brady (16:43): "Try out for a men's team if you're a man and a woman's team if you're a woman..."

They also humorously discuss the idea of "Trans Olympics" as a hypothetical solution, though acknowledging its impracticality given the current context.

Brady (15:37): "But that's why. It might not be as good as."

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Closing Remarks and Future Topics

As the episode wraps up, Brady and Homburg briefly touch upon other related issues, including the establishment of an all-women's sports bar and the portrayal of women's sports in media. The conversation underscores their belief that the focus on trans athletes diverts attention from more meaningful discussions in the sports community.

Brady (17:58): "There's gonna be a lot of beach volleyball."

Brady (18:08): "He said fully erect. 98."

The episode concludes with a tease of upcoming segments, maintaining the show's energetic and contentious tone.

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Notable Quotes

• Brady Bogen (04:18): "... how many are we talking about that have caused this uproar to where we're arguing about this?"
• John Holmberg (04:15): "5."
• Brady Bogen (06:00): "a boxing ring ... 140 pound man is stronger than 140 pound woman."
• Brady Bogen (12:25): "17 people for the most part. At its peak. I thought it was a lot more than that."
• Brady Bogen (16:43): "Try out for a men's team if you're a man and a woman's team if you're a woman..."

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Conclusion

In this episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness, the hosts engage in a heated debate over the participation of transgender athletes in women's sports, challenging prevailing narratives with purported statistics and personal viewpoints. While emphasizing the low number of trans athletes involved, they argue for preserving fairness in competitive sports through segregated categories. The discussion highlights ongoing tensions in society regarding gender, identity, and the integrity of athletic competition.

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Disclaimer: The views expressed in this summary reflect the content of the podcast episode and do not represent the assistant's opinions.

Transcript

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[Brady]

Still streaming Homberg's morning sickness online at 98kupd.com how do we get on that? It's Papa roach right there. Getting away with murder. There's a theme today. I crucifix. Somebody said you guys were watching the deformed trans ladies, man, having sex. I don't know if any of you heard it, but in the background, Dick Toledo mumbled, at least he probably pays his rent on time. I did not hear that. Toledo with a gem. Most of the time when he's talking, we want to turn it down. And when he's. When he knocks us out of the yard, it's a mumble. Come on, man. If you're gonna participate, participate. Just don't talk over everybody and try to keep it limited to one Toledo quote a day. Speaking of trans, I did some research. Yeah, that's right, Brady. I did some research yesterday. You know, what's that, right? Well, research is when you are interested in something and then you look deeper into it and ask a couple of questions. Am I on the right page here? I know my personal feelings about the whole transgender athlete situation. In fact, I know exactly how I feel about the entire transgender situation. And I'll tell you, I don't care what you do, but I do think that a lot of you are goofed up. I think all things can be true at once. Tons of people that think they're trans are just mentally deranged. And some of them are getting a bad rap because the mentally deranged ones make it harder for them. All things can be true at once. They're not a homogenized group of single thought, mono thinking human beings who just happen to have one thing in common. Some are awesome. Some are assholes. Some are confused, deranged mental patients. And some are people going through a real struggle. That's a very real thing. We shouldn't make them all one big thing. Unless it's this sports deal. And I also know how I feel about that. I don't think a transgender man should be able to swap out, as we saw in the Olympics, and box women of the same weight. 140 pound man is stronger than 140 pound woman. It is not even. I've been in the boxing ring just sparring with a woman who is 100, about 155 pounds, and she was looking to like, be a pro. And all I did was run defense. My job was to run defense and then occasionally pin her in a corner and put weight on her, start to punch her way out. I wasn't allowed to hit her. Why? They said I'd kill her. I'm not that strong. But the worry was. And it's also a bad look, I'm not going to stand in there and punch a woman, but I got to. I'll do it. At tactical Black, we get into those situations where it's self defense. It's usually man versus women because, you know, it's clearly an advantage of strength. Some of those ladies up there, by the way, you don't want to get punched by them. There's a few of them that look, look little. It's like getting hit by rebar. They're awful. One lady couldn't stop finding my solar plexus and knocking the wind out of me every time I tried. And I wasn't going 100%, neither was she. But fair enough. But I do know that in a real battle of sport, fighting a man and a woman, it's an automatic unfair advantage. So I'm sitting there thinking, Trump's talking about like banning it all together and there's this uproar the left. And there was some meeting yesterday in downtown Chicago or somewhere, and they had a big trans. It was New York. They had some big trans march and they were screaming, whatever. And so I looked into it. Take a guess at, at its peak, how many athletes we were protecting in the United States from. From wanting to play sports at its peak, in the entire 337 million people that live in this country, how many are we talking about that have caused this uproar to where we're arguing about this?

[Homburg]

5.

[Brady]

With that 17. At its peak, it hovers usually somewhere between 8, 9 people. That is what this big mess is all about. The argument against that is, oh, there are a ton of people that want to but won't because they're afraid, they're in the shadows. So my. All right, so let's take a look at this number. How many trans people are currently in high school or College? Currently? 1930 says 19. You, you, seven. We're in the thousands there, boys. We're not. 19 and seven would have been 26 combined. You're getting, you're getting closer. But how many of that thousand looking to play sports? Now we're back into your numbers. This whole thing, three is literally, maybe is literally about at its max, give or take 30 people. That is a ridiculous amount of time we're spending and money that we're spending arguing about 30 people. Start your own sport, do something else, do whatever. But it just basically comes down to saying no, you're not allowed to do this. Maybe somewhere, someday sometime you will. But right now, no, we haven't figured out the logistics of this and we're not going to bend over backwards for essentially 12 people that have legitimate concerns to get into something. Now you get into tennis and you get it and you play tennis. And that's what they were saying. What about non contact sports? There's a massive advantage in tennis. Watch a man serve versus a woman serve. And the man doesn't have to be a muscular. A lot of times the skinnier dudes are the ones that can just. It's like baseball. Sure, Tim Lincecombe was 511 and weighed about 145 pounds and could throw the ball 100 miles an hour. Because of his. It broke him. It took six years for his arm and body to fail at that kind of torque. But that dude had the ability to whip. Randy Johnson is no muscular specimen. He's all leverage and size and angles. That's why a seven foot man can throw a ball 104 miles an hour. It wasn't because he was lifting weights or he had some. He was just built that way. But because of his male body structure, A woman who's 7ft tall is not going to be able to do the same things. She just doesn't have that core strength, I guess. So we're talking about maybe I'll give you 20 people total in the entire United States and we're all afraid to say no. Just turn it off. No. It doesn't make sense to me that we're wasting this much time and this much energy on the trans athlete when literally at any given time there are three or four that are truly screwing things up. And it's obvious when that one that was swimming was winning everything.

[Homburg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

How in the world do we not just sit back and go, oh, that's just it's no longer a competitive record. Smashed one after another after another. It's just not right. Serena Williams got in trouble for saying, oh, you can't have it like a man is. Like I would. She said that at one point she'd lose to the top 200 male ranked players. And everybody's like, you're out of your mind. She goes, guys, it's a different Animal. She said, 200 is pushing it. I might lose to the top 400. She goes, It's a different. And that was Serena who was just dominating women's sports with her. But she still did not. If she was the size she was, which was £185 at one point and had male body structure and physical makeup. You imagine her serve because she was pumping like 120s at people occasionally. Now men in tennis will serve at.

[Homburg]

140 occasions serves one thing and then the other is covering the court.

[Brady]

Yeah, covering ground. That's beyond just the ability to serve it past somebody. But if a man decided to wear a dress and play tennis, it's going to take a year or two for all those ladies to catch up to 135 coming at him. And that's a reasonable assessment of a serve, of a male serve who's good enough to play in that stuff. Now if he's hitting 135, he could beat a lot of men. But.

[Homburg]

And we haven't had a woman yet try to go over on the men's tour. You know, that's the other Anica source at one time and just got wanted to go over the golf side of it.

[Brady]

Yeah. So I don't even care about whether or not it can or can't happen currently this whole entire argument is structured.

[Homburg]

You wouldn't be either, I don't think opposed to it. If a woman is good enough to play in the men's side.

[Brady]

No, I am the victor, 100% opposed to it. It's not going to happen. If it would happen, it would have happened by now.

[Homburg]

That's what. But I'm not, I'm not opposed to it.

[Brady]

I am. I watch the Olympics. The last thing that will ever happen is that a woman will hold the world record for fastest hundred meters. It's never going to occur. They can't compete. The Olympics are the only. The last bastion. If we get it, they're the only ones that admit it. There's a male category and a female category and that's the way it has to be. And then we start messing with that. In the Olympics we're like, well, it used to be, and now it's, no, no, no, we can't do this. They tried it with that Iranian boxer and she ended up trouncing women. And the women in the ring were like, we're afraid for our lives. We've never been hit like that. They can't blame them. Yeah, I've never been hit like that in my life. Holmberg's morning sickness. The cool part was when that thing would flex afterwards and you're like, yeah, there's a whole lot of man in that. Still. It was. And you know what else? You're wrong. I'm just saying you're deranged if you think that it's a good idea for you to take your former male body into female sports. That's the argument nobody talks about, is the idea that, yeah, okay, I'd love to play sports. But in their. If you're of sound mind and you just feel like you're trapped in the wrong body, the last thing you want to do is use your advantage physically. There's something wrong with you to want to play sports and be trans.

[Homburg]

Imagine if Caitlyn Jenner did it in the 30s, 25 or 30, said, I'm switching out. That would.

[Brady]

Then you'd see some records fall in the ladies decathlon. It just doesn't make sense to me. And that's the thing that makes us all have to take a step back and realize, oh, divisive topics make us argue over nothing while real things get thrown all around while we don't pay attention. We're arguing over essentially as many fingers as you have amount of people on whether or not this is a topic. It's not even a topic.

[Homburg]

And that's just the sports side.

[Brady]

Right.

[Homburg]

And you add in the bathrooms in high schools, all that stuff.

[Brady]

How many is it affecting? Right? Like 17 people wanted to play sports in college and in high school that were trans athletes that were part of this. 17. Now, I'm sure there's articles out there that will say that was 17,000. I don't. I don't believe that to be true. The percentage is. No, but 17 is who really was like this, this thing. And I know it starts somewhere, but it has to start bigger than that. If like nine Swedish people got mad that we felt like there was racism, you wouldn't pay attention to it. Not at all. There's a lot more than 17 little people in the world, and we still any concessions for them. We're not making it easier for them to play sports, are we, we're not letting them in there. We're not. They get hurt. Like if a little tiny guy came in and said, I want to play basketball, he's getting cut. The ball's bigger than you. There's only a few spud webs out there and stuff like that. You're talking about a guy who's five nine, five four to five mugs. He was five three Mugsy Bogues. I'm talking about like Brad Williams. He's like, it's not fair. I don't get to play sports. Well, that isn't bigotry. It's just you get killed out there. Start your own little tiny people league. Well, there's not enough of us. Well, sorry. 17. I was blown away. I actually had it in my mind we'd be in the high hundreds. And when the number came up 17, I was like, that can't be right.

[Homburg]

Amazing.

[Brady]

17 people for the most part. At its peak. I thought it was a lot more than that. Yeah, we're vying for a position on a team. Well actually playing. We're actually involved. So maybe there are more that wanted to. But 17 were actually involved in it. That were creating this big thing. 17. And Adam Wick says, to your point, it is a political wedge. Politicians get their base energized. Fox and CNN viewers love it. That's all it is. We have to stop. Just sit back and go. They should just state your state. Be more open as a human being. Just go. Do you think that should. Don't tap dance. No, they shouldn't. It's insane to be a man who used to be a man who wants to be a woman now. And the first thing they want to do is clobber women in a boxing ring. There's something wrong with that person. And now that we know that, it's like, you know, you couldn't even field a full football team without two way players in the entire nation of trans athletes. It's a non factor. Put this one to bed. It doesn't make sense at all. And everybody that says, I'll get these emails. Brittney Griner. That's what look, I've watched. Brittney Griner is six feet something seven, eight inches tall, people. You think she's a man. Have you seen her play basketball? That is so clearly a woman. It's painful. Can't dunk. She's six, eight. Yeah, but you got DeAndre on the other end too. DeAndre was. Look the other. I got to give DeAndre his props the other night. He did. Yeah. 23 and 20. I mean, he's made. They made him look like Wilt Chamberlain the other night.

[Homburg]

Oh, he's showing up for this game.

[Brady]

And he can dunk. He just doesn't. He's mentally soft. But Brittney Griner and that. People make that joke. It's like, no. Put her in a men's league. She tried to. She tried to mouth off that she could play in a. Remember Ronda Rousey?

[Homburg]

Yeah. Just her numbers in the WNBA aren't like. It's not like she's having 50.

[Brady]

No. She can't even dominate the WNBA. Ronda Rousey started mouthing off at her peak that she could beat Floyd Mayweather in a fight. Remember, she's the best challenge, best pound for pound boxer, fighter in the world. And she started mouthing off. You would hit a woman, Floyd, Why don't you come at me? And Floyd's an asshole. But it's like, you don't want this, Rhonda. And then she got her head knocked off by Holly Holm. It's like you can't even beat all the women. Don't start talking about beating Floyd Mayweather. We have to do a little Etch A Sketch to a lot of people's brains with this propaganda nonsense and just shake them free. Just go. Stop thinking that. This is the thing. It's not. You're living in fantasy. 17. Just throw that number at him next time. Trans athletes should have a chance. 17 is the number. We're talking about 17 people. If it were a business, it would fail immediately because you're only appealing to 17 human beings. What about the entire community? Don't get me wrong. You get the entire community of trans people playing sports and you have like, Olympics. Trans Olympics. I'm viewing. I'm watching that all day.

[Homburg]

Probably enough.

[Brady]

I will watch that. Well, I mean, think about it. You're trans.

[Homburg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

And you're not even athletic. But you get in. You get in because there's not a lot of you. Your odds of scoring a medal are pretty high at the first few games.

[Homburg]

But that's why. It might not be as good as.

[Brady]

You think, but the outfits. Hilarious.

[Homburg]

The opening ceremony and all that stuff.

[Brady]

Plus trans people who aren't very athletic trying to do, like gymnastics for the very first time. It would be like when that falls, when that Australian lady tried to do the hip hop Olympics. And you just realized, nobody does hip Ray Gun. Nobody does hip hop in Australia. There's a reason why she made it to the Australian hip hop team. They didn't know. We've been working on this for 50 years over here. That was her first week. Hilarious. The only one I remember. Ray gun. Good stuff. Anyway, 17. I wish it was two more. So we say, no, no, no, 19. But that's all there was. So everybody just calm the F down. And if you're trans out there and you're thinking, well, this isn't a good conversation. No, you're not allowed to play sports.

[Homburg]

Where does it stand right now? I don't know, like the caa as far as. Are they. I mean, is the they allowed to compete? Have they changed it?

[Brady]

Try out for a men's team if you're a man and a woman's team if you're a woman and if you used to be a man and you're a woman and you try out, something's wrong with you. You want to beat up girls. Just because you feel like you're one doesn't mean that you can't ignore the truth of it. It's just such a weird topic. But that's going to be in the news today because Trump signing something. And it's on the heels of the Title 9 sports bar that's opening up on Melrose down there on 7th Avenue. It's an all woman sports bar. It's on the. Yeah, yeah, it's going there. Look, women. But I give them credit. Good. Stay out of ours. That's right. They opened up their own. You know what you won't see going in there, man? None of them. You want an all woman sports bar? Yeah, if you want to try to get in. Let's go for lunch. You're allowed. Oh, boy. Let's go for lunch today. Go ahead, boys. Well, maybe today because there's no women's sports. What do they show when there's no women? The View.

[Homburg]

Classics.

[Brady]

The View. I think that's it. The Classics. That's right. Navratilova and Chris Everett. There's classics in women's sports. Oh, yeah. Okay. The problem is we as men don't jerk off to our sports. You're gonna have a problem there with.

[Homburg]

Oh, there's gonna be a lot of beach volleyball.

[Brady]

Yeah, there's a lot of beach balls. A lot of swampy chairs. Hopefully you didn't do cloth interior because that's going to get wrecked fast. Over there.

[Homburg]

You go for the slap fight.

[Brady]

I can't wait to get over to title nine. They're showing live porn. No, that's just girls volleyball. I know we're not sexually aroused by our sports. That's the. That's the fun part. Never once, two beers and sardines. I don't sit with Brady and watch the bungles and. And Steelers game. And then midway through, like in the downtime, I just look at Brady and go, hey, Brady, you want to Joe Burrow as much as I do? Because that happens at Mercury Games all the time. Well, with those frosted tips he was wearing for a little while, I think he might have banged me. Anyway, 17. That's the number. We got a Rock wars coming up in just a little bit. We'll get right to it. It's 98 KUPD. Don't fall for the height. Arizona's most powerful rock radio station. He said fully erect. 98.