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Brady
Rock Horse is up in just a second. And no, we're not going to concentrate on Brady's illness. He's got to concentrate on that himself. It's not our job. And drink more concentrate because you won't urinate urinate out your kidneys anymore. And then also the well, I'll go this way. The, the nominees are out for the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Right. And the list is, you know, they got it all over the news and there's a few of them. The Mariah Carey, Chubby Checker, Cindy Laer, Outcast, Fish, the Black Crows are in the list. Oasis, Joy Division, Bad Company, Joe Cocker, Billy Idol, Sound guard and the White Stripes. And it got me thinking a couple of these bands I'm kind of like I'm a hall of fame. I like, I like the idea that it's not just people are always like the Outkast isn't rock and roll. Rock and roll to me is an attitude. It's not guitars, drums, bass singer. Like everybody thinks rock and roll has to be just that thing. I think you know, like country music had an outlaw kind of thing. Very rock and roll. It had nothing to do with the music itself. Country music's now super poppy. But when you get somebody that you know was embodied the spirit of it all, it didn't really matter how or what they sang. It was just part of music lore. So I like that idea. But a couple of them I'm looking at like I don't understand why Fish would be in there at all.
John
Why?
Brady
Because they're horrible. Fish.
John
Well, to you right.
Brett
But.
Brady
And I'm right. Thank you very much.
John
Criteria.
Brady
No.
John
Of getting into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Hit songs they got what songs?
Brady
What hit songs? Just Fish.
Eddie
Name one. I couldn't name any of them.
John
The ball goes bouncing.
Brady
I don't I terrible songs. And they've never been radio friendly and they've never been mass appeal. Part of their deal is to not be mass appeal.
Eddie
But that's like the Grateful Dead.
Brady
I know, but the Grateful Dead actually put out albums people bought.
John
Touch of Gray was their biggest huge hit. All the years, but after the fact. But they've fallen.
Brady
That Grateful Dead I can actually see as something I hate understanding why it's in their fish. No, that one's right out. And I will. I'll go to the grave knowing I'm right about that. But I'm talking more like Oasis, the Black Crows. Those are bands that deserve to be in. But then you look at it like. I think it's a like body of work. But there are bands that like put just a little blip of life into the world of music and then didn't really do much after. So I want you to make an argument.
John
Really a blip. But would Billy Idol kind of.
Brady
Billy Idol was a monster. Yeah. For 12 years.
John
12 years, yeah.
Brady
It was a long time. Billy Idol was popping out hits. He. Billy Idol deserves it. By. I mean every ounce of the criteria. It's. The music was amazing. It was long lasting. From White Wedding all the way to the one where he's having 12 year old girl in the cradle. Rock the cradle, yeah. That was like 82 to 93. It was. He. He got that right. So Billy Idol isn't even. To me, that one's in. He's getting it. But the ones that are kind of on the bubble but make an argument for a band, you know, won't make it. But based off of your argument, why you think personally they should make an argument for a band like, I think we just played one and I'm going to ban it right off the bat. But Skid Row, that had two ridiculous songs that kind of just blasted into the, you know, the zeitgeist, as they say. And it was just exploded music for a minute and then they went away. Like a band like that. But they'll never get into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame. You think? I don't think Skid Row has a chance.
Eddie
I don't think so.
Brady
But think about it and you're like, man, this. Without this, my record collection is a lot worse. But this band can never get in. And that's kind of a shame. Find your band, make an argument for it. Let's see if we can pop them in there. Because if fish can get in, anyone can.
Eddie
But the basics are out. The Metallicas, they're in.
Brady
Pantera the ones that are already in don't do it. You know what I'm saying?
Eddie
Yeah, but like Slayer's not in and.
Brady
Right.
Eddie
Everybody will be.
Brady
There's not in. No, I would have. I thought Slayer would have been in. And see if Slayer's not in, Fish can't be in. Same reason Slayer didn't have, like hit songs. They were just a massive thing for a certain group. So, yeah, find one that you know will not get into the hall of fame for sure. But make an argument on why what they did do is, you know, is relevant to the music world.
Eddie
Some of them I got to check out because I don't even remember some of them that are in that you would think would be in that aren't. And you know, essentially you're.
Brady
You're picking a band that you. You're basically saying it's a miniature Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Like they are. They're for sure not getting in. So you already. You don't even have to really look. You know what's in. But like, for sure they're not getting in. But you're like, boy, this is. This, this is a good. This is a good reason why rock and roll's better. There's not. Like Foo's been around for 30 years, now they're in twice. So one of those. An argument for a band that. That just rocks but won't get in for sure. Almost. Maybe you forgot about them. Right. So you got a whole laundry list of that. If you want to help out. Homburg@98kupd.com you can text 97936 suggestions all over the place. We'll do some Rock wars for real in just moments. It's 98.
Brett
Hear the words you say sometimes.
Brady
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Eddie
Man, that's crazy.
Brady
$100,000, you're just now reacting to this.
Eddie
No, I'm just trying to sell it more. What are you doing? Come on.
Brady
No credit needed. Top dollar tape. With the entire process just taking several minutes. Momoneypwn.com I was just surprised. We've done it for so many years now and suddenly you're like, holy cow. It just registered with me.
Eddie
Well, Byron's listening, so I was trying to sell it. He was texting me Something. Come on, now.
Brady
So he said, give it a little enema today. This town needs an enema. The topic this week with the Rock and Roll hall of Fame nominations coming out doesn't mean they're all getting in. You look and you say, you know, not necessarily who's not in that should be who is in your brain, and you're thinking, they're never getting in. But, man, I could make an argument that they could be. I don't know if anybody picked them. I will wait. But John Gordon and I just had a spirited back and forth about one band that I didn't even pick. I didn't have them on the list because I thought for sure they will someday get in, and John's adamant that they will not. Let's find out who picked what for. Your personal suggestion of a band you're pretty almost 90% positive will not get into the hall of Fame, and you're going to make the argument as to why they should. Go ahead, Brett.
Eddie
I'm going with a band that. I mean, they. I don't think they're going to because they've been eligible since 2005. They've sold over 130 million albums worldwide and have probably the most famous mascot in rock and roll. It's Iron Maiden.
Brady
Yeah. And if they're not in by now, you got to start wondering, are they gonna be.
Eddie
Yeah. I mean, since they've been eligible since 2005, they're huge worldwide. And again, 130 million sold.
John
I have no doubt my mind they will be in the right.
Brady
I think so, too. I'm with Brady on that.
Eddie
But how come. Why is it 20 something years that they've been eligible and still aren't in.
Brady
Song is this. Oh, it is.
Eddie
I just don't think in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame minds, I don't think they're mass appeal enough. They never got RA play for the most part.
Brady
It's true.
Eddie
But they're huge worldwide. You see those shows? They sell out soccer stadiums.
Brady
It's a good choice, but I'm with Brady on this one.
Eddie
Let's see. It's a matter of opinion, like you.
Brady
And John were just arguing.
Eddie
So it's.
Brady
It's a very good point. All right, so you've got Iron Man, Brady, do Devo.
John
I didn't do Devo. I did a band that I. Because I think Devo will get into the hall of Fame.
Dick Toledo
If going down the list, you'll get.
Brady
You think Devo is gonna be in the hall of Fame?
Eddie
Yeah.
Brady
See There you go. John throws a maybe out there. I can't imagine Devo getting this band.
John
I don't think will get into the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, but they should qualify. They've sold over 3 million to lose term, and they have been controversy, controversial. They've kind of set the bar on the adult labeling on albums. Parental Garden 2 live crew.
Brady
Throw the D. Well, Brett would be in the hall of Fam. Yeah, he's on the song.
John
I just don't think they would let him in because the content of the.
Brady
I think they won't let them in because they're not very good. It's the bigger thing. Yeah, they're not worthy. Yeah. They're not worth it. Throw the D is not getting it.
Eddie
We want some people.
John
It was a clean one. Relatively clean.
Brady
All right. I think you're out of your mind. I had a few that I wanted to go with, and I'm just going to throw them out right off the bat. I skipped over Living Color. I don't think they'll get in, but there is no question in my mind that one of the greatest rock songs that's ever played is, you know, cult personality. I think musically it's brilliant. Everything else. See them live now, you'd be blown away at how good they still are. Rammstein's the one John Gordon and I went back and forth on. He says there's no way they get in. I think there's no way they don't get in.
John
Oh, I'm with you.
Dick Toledo
I don't think they're in.
John
In.
Brady
Really. Yeah.
Dick Toledo
I would. I would say they're not.
Brady
Like, their shows in Europe are 200, 000 people.
Dick Toledo
The same argument that Brett has, I guess.
Brady
But they have, like, we just played duhast. It's 30 years old. It sounds brand new. One hit. They've got more than one hit. You take it back.
Dick Toledo
What's their second?
Brady
The other one.
Dick Toledo
Exactly.
Eddie
Thanks.
John
America.
Brady
Yeah. No, America wasn't, but it's still. All right. All right, all right. Well, mine is definitely a man. It could be argued that they'll get in. I don't think they will because they're never on the tip of anyone's tongue. I say this all the time. They're everybody's second or third favorite band. This is one of my favorite rock songs ever. The clincher by Chevelle. I think Chevelle will get skipped right over, and they are 25 years old of hit after hit after hit. Every album they've got is Listenable this song's incredible. And I don't think they get in. And they've sold a ton.
Eddie
I think they do.
Brady
You do. I don't.
Eddie
Eventually. I don't think they get. They're not first ballot by any chance?
Brady
I think when they're on a list, they're still young. They'll get drowned by all the. They're 25, and that's an old bit. They're qualified to get in right now.
Eddie
But that was the same argument you had when we were talking about Shined Down. You didn't think they'd get it. And I was like, look at the hits, like Chevel's hits.
Brady
You pop this band into the list of like Mariah, Today's List, sound guard Mariah Carey, all that. People just go, not. Not them. Like, there's always going to be six or seven more popular bands than Chevelle. Cuz they never. They won the headliner. They're still always second.
Eddie
There's so many bands that you could go. Because I had other ones on my list too. I was gonna go Motorhead. Yeah, Motorhead's probably one of, you know, very influential.
John
They're gonna get in.
Eddie
I mean, they've been eligible.
Brady
Lemmy's dead years. So now what's the purpose of doing that? Yeah. So, all right, those are your choices today. Solid ones. You got Iron Maiden over here with Breck. You got Brady's Choice of two Live Crew Shock. Delete that.
Eddie
And I'm a two Live Crew fan.
Dick Toledo
But, yeah, taking it seriously.
Brady
Much like the Chief Brady's Rock wars dynasty is. Oh, it ended at 2. And then of course, mine, which is Chevelle. You can vote Holmberg at 98kupd.com text 97936. You can call us. Be the last caller. 5859, 800. We'll find out who wins Rock wars next. It's 98 Homeburst.
John
Morning sickness.
Brett
Hear the words you say sometimes.
Brady
I mean, who talks like that? Holmberg's morning sickness. He spent some time with Doug Hopkins at the Suns game last night. He's mad at Louis Moses. I bet he's mad at Louis Moses. Started calling his family names and stuff because Louie came in here Monday and said the Ducks commercial for the super bowl, he didn't like it very much. Said he could have spent his money better. Oh, is he mad at you? Tell him that. His whole family is a. My dog. Calm down.
Eddie
Damn.
Brady
I know, I know. I look like I wore a stupid shirt. I'm like, did you like it? That's all that matters. He's gonna kill Louie. So if Louie turns up dead, it's hot.
Eddie
I had nothing to do with it.
Brady
And Brett will finally get off the hook. Yeah. This week's topic for rock horse. With the hall of fame nominations coming out, Give us a band that you don't think has a chance of getting in. But damn it all, they probably should. Now there's arguments to be made all over the place. We're still doing it off the air. People on the on the emails are going nuts with this. Back and forth they go. Brady chose two life crew. So see you later. Some other time the adults will have a nice conversation. Brett had Iron maiden and I still think they get in. But again, why haven't they?
Eddie
2005.
Brady
I chose Chevelle because I just don't think they'll ever get the attention they deserve. I don't. I just don't think they'll do was. It's 15 to 14. Brett, on the emails, I'm beating you by one. Got to win it by two. So if there's another vote that comes in here in the next minute or so, it's going to happen. This one says I see where the stallion is coming from, but I think it's going to happen for that band. I don't know what the hell Brady, the kid just picked. And yours, John, I agree with you. There's little hope they get in. But I'm going to go with Brett this week. Give me Maiden since they're not in. Doesn't make sense. This one says I'm mind blown. Iron Maiden is not in the hall of fame. Brett, you kicked everyone's ass this week. And Marie Chevelle all the way. What a great topic, John. Generating discussion a lot of different bands and genres who may or may not be inducted into the hof. All solid choices. But I think Brady is right. No way to live crew ever gets in. And there's a reason I do see Iron Maiden and Ramstein getting in. My suggestion is Slipknot and corn going with Brett. Slipknot gets in?
Eddie
I think so.
Brady
Corn gets in.
Eddie
Yeah.
Brady
This one says, got a side with you this week, John. Great band. Every song's a banger. They don't have the following. I don't understand it either. And plus yesterday I learned not to piss you off. So I'm voting for you. That's right. You stay on my good side or I'll go full Gilbert drunk on you. Brady. You know, nevermind, Bert, amazing pick. I do agree with you. John Chevelle should be in, as does Anthrax. So many influential, but I don't think they're in. Social Distortion.
Eddie
Byron, text me that one, too.
Brady
Anthrax, no.
Eddie
Social D.
Brady
This one says I got to give it to Bert today. Completely overlooked. Don't know why. Voting for Bert. There was a lot of them that came in and then. Oh, here's the final two. This will either divide. This one says Holmberg wins. That puts me up to. Let's see if the next one was the one before Iron Maiden. We're back at it. That's all right. Damn it all. We may have to go with that. Who's winning over there on the right.
Dick Toledo
Now Brady and Brett are tied. You are leading by two votes.
Brady
Oh, my God. What do we have four votes?
Dick Toledo
No, there's a bunch of votes.
Brady
John, you said you had one. Bring it up here. John's got one band he wanted to bring.
Brett
I have two that I think one is never going to get in. The cult will never get in.
Brady
Good one.
Eddie
That's a good one.
Brady
That's a really good cult.
Brett
They deserve to be in. This one will probably get in and it'll pave the way for others. Lincoln Park.
Brady
Lincoln Park's Lincoln Park. They're getting in. Yeah.
Dick Toledo
That's a good call.
Brady
The cult is a great one.
Eddie
Another one I couldn't believe is not in is Dr. Dre.
Brady
He's not in.
Eddie
From NWA to his solo stuff. He'll not in.
Brady
He'll get something named.
Eddie
But outcast Nominated before Dr. Dre.
Brady
Excellent point. It's ridiculous. Final vote came in. Jonathan Thorne. Iron Maiden's getting in. Chevelle isn't homework for the win. All right, finally. I'm up too. So I've got the emails and it was close.
John
That I agree.
Brady
I mean, I think Iron man gets in if. If that argument's tight. I still think Iron man gets in. I'm just.
Eddie
Yeah, I'm just curious how come it's taken since 2005. Yeah, that's my whole thing with it.
Brady
All right, let's go. Now there's just tons of them coming in. Votes for Brett. No, now they're coming in for you. And it's going. Now it's trying to make you win.
Eddie
And my hands are over here. I'm not voting.
Brady
He's not doing. But one thing that has remained consistent is there's zero votes for Brady. And then somehow or another over there.
Dick Toledo
Brett just pulled ahead of Brady on the. Okay, so he's behind you still.
Brady
Shut it Down. You can still call for the last call. 585-9-800, John Gordon picking up between 1 and 5, which may include trivia. So Brady's not out of it. And it's trivia again. Yes. Number one has resulted in a trivia contest to see who wins. The new category is now going to determine probably the best topic we've had in a long time, which is a bunch of garbage. If 2 Live Crew wins this thing, pick something he doesn't know. Don't you have to pee out some kidneys?
John
Already did.
Brady
All right. Buzzing with your names to win rock wars Toledo. The question for today.
Dick Toledo
Question for today is named for an alloy of copper. What prehistoric period is Brady Bronze nailed.
Brady
Nice work. Nice. Excellent job, Brady. The bronze era. Damn it. Well, let me delete.
Eddie
Hey, this was your. This was your idea. So throw the D ball. This is your idea.
Brady
The trivia has backfired.
Dick Toledo
Oh, my God.
Brady
God. And you're welcome for the last good topic for two.
John
Great topic.
Brady
We'll wait for next week if he makes it through his doctor's visits. Well, you got to play. Throw that D. Yeah.
Dick Toledo
You got to come up with topics right now. Like three or four of them.
Brady
Right? Yeah. Write them down early. Start thinking, yeah, what a win.
Eddie
Blame yourself, John.
Brady
I do.
Eddie
Nobody to blame but yourself.
Brady
I invented that stupid idea. I am currently rethinking the trivia end of things. God damn it.
John
Exactly.
Brady
And you know what was the worst part of it? I was gonna wait for Toledo to ask the whole question in case it had a twist. Right? And when he said his name, I'm like, he's gonna do it. And you know what? Let him win. It's the last time he's gonna be.
John
Give me that.
Brady
This is kind of that make a wish thing. It's like, hey, good for you, buddy. Good for you. But I think, honestly, John might have won the idea there. The cultist probably won that.
John
Why don't you still get it?
Brady
They just won't.
John
He's not enough appeal.
Brady
End of the day, they haven't even been mentioned.
Eddie
Well, they haven't had any decent albums.
Brady
And it's been a long time. But what they did do in 86, I mean, if they haven't been mentioned by now, they're not getting. That's 40 years. They're not getting mentioned. And you play firewoman for somebody today, and it's the first time they hear it. They're curious who the hell that is. What's this? This is the best band I've heard a long time. Like it's 40 year old song. Chow, baby. Throw that on the radio. People who've never heard it before, they're gonna get curious. That's a great band. It's time now, man. Throw that D. It's your fault, bro.
John
They're not getting in, boys.
Eddie
It's your fault.
Brady
They are not. But we might as well have picked worst band ever instead of thinking, oh.
Eddie
There'S too many of those.
Brady
No, I know, but this is in there. Like bands that won't get in the hall of Fame on merit, not because it's, you know, skinnier teeth or anything. This band isn't even close. Nobody's even gonna sniff this. Guarantee you there's a boardroom somewhere. It's like. All right, any suggestions for this year's hall of Fame? Dave, over there for you. How about Two Life Crew?
Eddie
All right, all right.
Brady
Now that we got it out of the way, the big joke, let's get serious.
John
Inducted, because then you have, you know, whatever band covering me so horny or.
Brady
Something like Miley Cyrus.
Eddie
Beck, let's save this for Larry's show.
Brady
Yeah. Oh, that's why I'm stalling right now. We're not playing Throw that D on this show. These ratings stop at 10 o'clock. God damn it. We give Larry enough love.
John
You're welcome, Larry.
Brady
Bleeding past 10 all the time. It's out of control now.
Summary of "Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona" Episode (02-12-25)
Title: Rock Wars - Song For A Band Worthy Of The RnR HOF But That Likely Won't Get In
Release Date: February 12, 2025
Host: Dick Toledo
Co-Hosts: Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Eddie Toledo
In the February 12, 2025 episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness on Arizona's #1 Morning Radio Show, host Dick Toledo, along with co-hosts Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Eddie Toledo, delve into a spirited discussion titled "Rock Wars." The primary focus of this segment centers around bands they believe are worthy of induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (RnR HOF) but are unlikely to receive the honor.
Brady Bogen kicks off the conversation by addressing the recent nominations for the RnR Hall of Fame, listing notable entrants such as Mariah Carey, Chubby Checker, Cyndi Lauper, Outkast, Fish, The Black Crowes, Oasis, Joy Division, Bad Company, Joe Cocker, Billy Idol, Soundgarden, and The White Stripes (00:39).
Brady shares his perspective on what constitutes rock and roll, emphasizing that it's more about the "attitude" rather than specific musical elements like guitars or drums. He states, “Rock and roll to me is an attitude... I think country music had an outlaw kind of thing. Very rock and roll.” (01:30) This viewpoint sets the stage for the ensuing debate on the legitimacy of certain bands' nominations.
The co-hosts scrutinize several nominees, expressing varying degrees of disagreement:
Fish: Brady dismisses Fish, criticizing their music as "terrible" and devoid of mass appeal (02:05). Eddie Toledo concurs, unable to recall any significant hits, further questioning their merit for induction (02:17).
Grateful Dead: The conversation shifts to the Grateful Dead, with John Holmberg acknowledging their success with hits like "Touch of Gray" but agreeing with Brady's skepticism about their inclusion (02:31).
Oasis and The Black Crowes: Brady finds these bands deserving of the Hall of Fame, highlighting their substantial body of work (03:10).
Billy Idol: Contrastingly, Billy Idol receives praise for his consistent hit-making over a 12-year span, deemed well within the criteria for induction (03:10).
The segment encourages listener engagement by inviting the audience to propose bands that they believe deserve Hall of Fame recognition despite low prospects of induction. The co-hosts focus on bands like Iron Maiden, Chevelle, and Devo, debating their eligibility:
Iron Maiden: Eddie Toledo champions Iron Maiden, citing their global sales of over 130 million albums and iconic status, questioning why they’ve been eligible since 2005 without induction (07:53). Brady and John support Eddie's stance, pondering the reasons behind their exclusion.
"They've sold over 130 million albums worldwide and have probably the most famous mascot in rock and roll. It's Iron Maiden." — Eddie Toledo (07:53)
Chevelle: Brady argues that despite Chevelle's 25-year history and numerous hits, they remain underappreciated and unlikely to gain recognition, stating, “Chevelle will get skipped right over... they're 25 years old of hit after hit after hit.” (10:23)
Devo: The discussion briefly touches on Devo, with mixed opinions on their potential Hall of Fame inclusion (08:44).
As the debate intensifies, listeners vote via emails, texts, and calls. The votes initially favor Chevelle and Iron Maiden, but as more votes come in, Brett "pulls ahead," leading to a narrow victory for his chosen band, Chevelle.
"Chevelle isn't getting the attention they deserve. I don't just think they'll do worse; I think they'll do worse." — Brady Bogen (10:23)
The final tally reveals Chevelle triumphs as the band worthy of Hall of Fame induction yet unlikely to be recognized.
Following the Rock Wars discussion, the show transitions into a trivia segment sponsored by Mo Money Pawn. The trivia question posed is:
"Named for an alloy of copper, what prehistoric period is named Bronze Age?" (18:06)
Brady successfully answers "Bronze Age," though the segment ends on a light-hearted note with playful banter among the hosts.
Criteria for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: The hosts collectively emphasize that induction isn't solely based on commercial success but also on a band's influence, longevity, and embodiment of rock and roll's spirit.
Underrated Bands: Bands like Iron Maiden and Chevelle are highlighted as deserving yet overlooked, sparking a broader conversation about the selection process for the Hall of Fame.
Audience Engagement: Encouraging listener participation through votes and suggestions fosters a dynamic and interactive show environment, enhancing listener investment in the topics discussed.
Brady on Rock and Roll Attitude:
"Rock and roll to me is an attitude... I think country music had an outlaw kind of thing. Very rock and roll." (01:30)
Eddie on Iron Maiden's Merit:
"They've sold over 130 million albums worldwide and have probably the most famous mascot in rock and roll. It's Iron Maiden." (07:53)
Brady on Chevelle's Overlooked Status:
"Chevelle will get skipped right over... they're 25 years old of hit after hit after hit." (10:23)
For those interested in listening to the full episode or engaging with the show, tune in to 98 KUPD (97.9 FM), the 98 KUPD app, or visit www.98kupd.com on weekdays from 5:30 AM to 10:00 AM.