03-19-25 - Troy Hayden Calls In On Way To Cover This Morning's Execution - Email For Bret Asks If His Dreams Mean That He's Really A Racist As We Discuss Words We Can't Say

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona Episode: March 19, 2025 Host: John Holmberg with Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo Platform: 98KUPD (97.9 FM, 98KUPD app, www.98kupd.com) Duration: 50 minutes

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1. Call-In from Troy Hayden: Covering Executions

Timestamp: [07:10] – [12:35]

The episode begins with John Holmberg introducing Troy Hayden from Channel 12, who calls in while en route to cover this morning's execution. Troy shares his extensive experience, having covered multiple executions over 20 years. He emphasizes the importance of journalists providing accurate and fair reporting on such sensitive proceedings to ensure transparency and public understanding.

Troy Hayden: “I think it's important to get a set of eyes... to make sure that you come at it from right down the middle.”
[07:16]

John expresses his own ambivalence towards executions, revealing a lack of empathy but acknowledges the gravity of the situation.

John Holmberg: “I'm kind of oddly less interested in the execution because I feel exactly the same way as you.”
[08:10]

Troy recounts a particularly challenging execution in 2014 that was labeled "botched" due to procedural issues, highlighting the complexities and emotional toll of witnessing such events.

Troy Hayden: “He was on that table for two hours... it didn't go the way they wanted it to.”
[09:58]

Despite the heavy subject matter, Troy maintains professionalism, underscoring his commitment to unbiased reporting.

Troy Hayden: “If you're anti death penalty, you want to change the law, call your legislators.”
[09:38]

The segment concludes with John praising Troy's dedication and professionalism.

John Holmberg: “Troy, enjoy your day. You're my hero.”
[12:35]

2. Listener Email: Fear of Accidental Racism in Relationships

Timestamp: [15:27] – [29:00]

Following Troy's call, John transitions to addressing an email from a listener expressing deep concerns about internalized racism. The listener, possibly named Trent, fears that due to his upbringing in a racially charged environment, he might inadvertently use racist language, especially in his interracial relationship.

John Holmberg: “Recently, I've been dating an African American girl... I always thought racism, real racism, was gross.”
[16:00]

The discussion delves into the psychological struggle of avoiding racial slurs, the fear of saying something offensive during interactions, and the impact of cultural upbringing on subconscious language use.

John Holmberg: “You have an opportunity relationship... your body has that little release steam valve.”
[22:09]

Brady and Bret contribute by suggesting practical approaches, such as confronting these fears openly with partners and understanding that overthinking can exacerbate the issue.

Brady Bogen: “She should understand that, though.”
[23:32]

John offers empathy, sharing his own experiences with accidental slurs and the importance of self-awareness and communication in relationships.

John Holmberg: “You really like this girl. That's what I'm hearing.”
[34:26]

3. Discussion on Internalized Racism

Timestamp: [22:10] – [35:30]

The hosts engage in a deep conversation about internalized racism, societal pressures, and the challenges faced by individuals trying to navigate interracial relationships without perpetuating harmful language.

John humorously illustrates scenarios where internalized racism might surface inadvertently, such as during sleep talking or online gaming conversations, emphasizing the subconscious nature of such slips.

John Holmberg: “If you can't do it, that's fine... it lives inside us all the time. Be better.”
[25:07]

They discuss the impact of media and upbringing on ingraining certain behaviors and language, stressing the importance of continual self-reflection and education.

Brady Bogen: “Don’t watch American History X before you go to bed.”
[22:16]

4. Personal Anecdotes and Humor About Racial Slurs

Timestamp: [35:30] – [48:57]

The conversation transitions into lighter territory as the hosts share personal stories and humorous takes on the sensitive topic of racial slurs. John recounts instances where he accidentally used offensive language, reflecting on the repercussions and the importance of intent versus impact.

John Holmberg: “I've developed the ability to do that. I'm not cussing... it's just how one would go in real life.”
[31:54]

Brady and Bret add their own anecdotes, further highlighting the prevalence of accidental slurs in daily interactions and the need for accountability and growth.

Brady Bogen: “Tell Doug Emhoff to relax. He’ll be fine.”
[35:21]

The hosts use humor to navigate the discomfort surrounding the topic, making the discussion relatable while maintaining respect for the gravity of the issue.

John Holmberg: “Change the name of that little mountain. It's on maps and stuff.”
[46:18]

5. Musical Treats and Closing Remarks

Timestamp: [43:24] – [50:11]

As the show nears its end, Brady introduces the "Wake Up" song, sponsored by Action Ride Shop, featuring a list of bands and songs that resonate with the show's themes. The hosts continue their banter, blending humor with thoughtful insights on societal issues, effectively wrapping up the episode.

Brady Bogen: “Misfits. Azie. Randy Rhodes died this day...”
[44:34]

John reflects on past discussions, reinforcing the episode's core messages about self-awareness and the ongoing journey to combat internalized racism.

John Holmberg: “Be better.”
[46:57]

The episode concludes with laughter and a light-hearted exchange, leaving listeners with both reflective thoughts and entertainment.

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Notable Quotes

• John Holmberg: “You have to be adults about it and act like I don't even know that word.”
  [22:10]

• Brady Bogen: “Don't watch any which way but lose nothing like that.”
  [22:16]

• Troy Hayden: “If you’re anti death penalty, you want to change the law, call your legislators.”
  [09:38]

• John Holmberg: “Most of the time I'm gonna be unconscious when I'm doing it.”
  [28:42]

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Key Takeaways

• Ethical Reporting: Troy Hayden emphasizes the crucial role of journalists in providing accurate and fair coverage of executions to ensure public trust and transparency.

• Internal Struggles with Racism: The episode highlights the personal battles individuals face in overcoming internalized racism, especially within interracial relationships.

• Communication is Key: Open dialogue and self-awareness are vital in addressing and mitigating accidental use of offensive language.

• Humor as a Coping Mechanism: The hosts utilize humor to navigate and discuss sensitive topics, making the conversation more accessible while maintaining respect.

• Continuous Growth: The discussion underscores the importance of ongoing education and reflection in combating societal prejudices and fostering better understanding.

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Tune in Next Week: Join John Holmberg and his team on 98KUPD weekdays from 5:30 AM to 10:00 AM for more engaging discussions, insightful debates, and entertaining banter.

Transcript

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[Brady]

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[John Holmberg]

You've been deceived by an agent of Satan himself.

[Brady]

He's evil sitting right here.

[John Holmberg]

Come on. No, no, he's not. He's not evil. He's just a bit rude. Thank you. Miles to Nowhere. That is rapidly becoming my favorite theme song that's ever been done for us by one of the bands. We've got a lot of them now. We've had some good ones. Put out an album that was good. Yeah. Put out an album of all of our theme songs and 10 idiots would buy it. Be pretty good. But we would have to pay all that. We'd get sued. I don't want to do any of that. Silly. Troy Hayden from Channel 12 is going to call us in a little bit. He's actually heading out to that execution this morning and he's like, I'm going, you want to talk? I'm like, heck, yeah, we'll talk to you. Troy Hayden. That's great. So he'll be calling us in a second about what he's about to witness. What, his fourth or fifth time, I think.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I know he's gone.

[John Holmberg]

He's gone to a few and I.

[Unknown]

Wonder if they've all been the lethal injection.

[John Holmberg]

I think, well, we had the gas for a while. We'll ask him. I remember we used to drop the pellets and I've always said this, but I remember midnight. I always thought those happened at midnight. Like the governor's calls. Yeah, like the governor had to call. Well, maybe Katie Hobbs is gonna.

[Katie Hobbs]

I'm just gonna call up and don't kill him, please.

[John Holmberg]

You've been this day of execution from our ninth grade governor.

[Katie Hobbs]

I just called Katie.

[Brady]

The class president calls him.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Uh, oh. Oh, no, he's here Maybe she'll talk to Troy.

[Katie Hobbs]

Hi, Pat.

[Brady]

Hi, Katie.

[Katie Hobbs]

Hi, guys.

[John Holmberg]

What's up?

[Unknown]

What's up? Governor Hobbs, Hi.

[Katie Hobbs]

I'm not against the death penalty.

[John Holmberg]

No, no.

[Katie Hobbs]

Hi, Brady. I tried to call this day of execution, and then everybody thought I was a crank call. He kept saying, give the phone to your mom. It's not fair. But, Brad.

[Brady]

Yes?

[Katie Hobbs]

I think it's time we did an execution.

[Brady]

Oh, yeah?

[Katie Hobbs]

Yeah. I saw some Instagram pictures of you and your grandmother again. I think it's time we put her down. It's the right thing. Maybe Joy Hayden will know. Like, he'll get some leftovers, and we'll get him. Arizona's serious about cr. The only reason we wouldn't execute Brady is because the last meal would break the stake.

[Brady]

We'd be running a deficit.

[Katie Hobbs]

Hey, that's right. I come with jokes. Anyway, I tried to cause day of execution for this guy, but didn't work. It doesn't work when I say no to people. Just think I. Anyway. I like your hat, Brent.

[Brady]

Thanks, Katie.

[Katie Hobbs]

I like your casket.

[John Holmberg]

I like your hair.

[Katie Hobbs]

I like your casket, Brady.

[John Holmberg]

Thank you.

[Katie Hobbs]

Someday I'll see you in it. Bye.

[John Holmberg]

Bye.

[Unknown]

Katie of sunshine.

[John Holmberg]

She loves you. He doesn't like. You know what it is about that? That you rubbed her the wrong way immediately. Maybe she talked to Jennifer Tilly.

[Brady]

Jennifer Tilly didn't like Brady either.

[John Holmberg]

Jennifer Tilly told Brady he was a creepy old man.

[Brady]

What would you do?

[John Holmberg]

He was being Brady. She sat here. That's almost the same impression. But she's talking, and I'm chatting with her like a human being. I'm even going down roads, like, remember you? And she.

[Brady]

The cans out.

[John Holmberg]

She was beautiful. She looked fantastic. And Brady was getting a little, like, bouncy in his seat, and his hands were kind of floating when he talked to her, like he was about to attack. And she goes, what's wrong with you?

[Katie Hobbs]

You're creepy.

[John Holmberg]

And I'm like. Because it was a little creepy. He was. He had a crush. The crush manifested into physical kind of, I'm gonna jump on you. Like, he. If there was a bush between him, it would have been appropriate because Brady was about to jump out of it and rape her. And she sensed it.

[Katie Hobbs]

What's wrong with you? You're creepy.

[John Holmberg]

And we laughed for an hour. But it happens sometimes. You get a little celebrity star boner.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You had one.

[Unknown]

It was the fact that I think the. What I said.

[John Holmberg]

Well, it didn't matter. You were acting a little weird that.

[Unknown]

You know, offended her.

[John Holmberg]

We've done It. I did it with Chevelle. I got. I think those guys walked away and go, he's going to kill us. Because I was a little over the top with my love for them. And then trying to explain my love, I dug a deeper hole and made my. And then I tried to fix that. It just didn't go well. Mark Grace and I. Same thing I did. Saw his dick. The first time I ever met Mark Grace's wiener was out in the locker room. And I just shouted the words no problem to him. How you doing? No problem. And then I walked past him like, Jesus Christ. That Pee Wee Herman's brother wasn't good. Is Troy gonna call us? Did you give him the right number?

[Unknown]

I think so.

[John Holmberg]

Is he texting you back?

[Unknown]

Nope.

[John Holmberg]

This guy Dalton says John just to move on to the Tracy Morgan thing. An aspect you might be missing is why a lot of women are suddenly being spiked with their drinks but can remember everything. It's not how this works. Even my wife said the girls lay all the time and double down lying again and again, saying they. They don't remember when they clearly knew what was going on. Dalton, you make me worried that you're. You're saying that Tracy Morgan's bad hot dog reminds you of a time when the woman spiked drink didn't go the way you wanted? It's not really a correlation. We're going down two different roads here. Troy's probably busy doing work. It's all right. Tell him I just gave him we're fine.

[Unknown]

Calm down.

[John Holmberg]

No, if he can't do it, that's fine. If he's got. Look, they send this dude out to the prison to stay. Oh, there. Is that him right there? Yeah, there he is. There he is. TV's superstar Troy. Hey, Troy, are you there? Oh, hello, Troy. What the hell's going on? Phone network. Troy? Mr. Hayden?

[Brady]

Sounds like the phones are on.

[John Holmberg]

Hello? Oh, no, it won't work. Troy Hayden. I'm answering it. You do it. Oh, he just hung up our phones. See, the problem is this. This building here, the phones, when you answer them, they don't always, always respond with anything.

[Brady]

Smoke signals or something.

[John Holmberg]

You know what? Just puff out some of that gas. When this guy gets often. There he is. Had it worked that time. Hey, hang on. Oh. What the hell's going on? Could he not hear me? Try again. Troy, are you there? Yeah, I don't know what happened. Sorry about that. Our phones are all goofed up. Sorry about that. Troy Hayden from Channel 12 is on the phone. How are you Doing good.

[Troy Hayden]

Good. Good to talk with you this morning.

[John Holmberg]

You too. Good to go watch another guy die? You got kind of a thing.

[Troy Hayden]

You know, I've been covering corrections for over 20 years, and I just think it's important to get a set of eyes. You know, these are very important proceedings. Obviously, you know, you can't get them wrong, you can't undo them. So I want to make sure that somebody's out there who's got experience and, you know, put it in a fair and accurate way. So that's what I'm trying to do today. 10am Is it live?

[Katie Hobbs]

All right.

[John Holmberg]

Are you going to. Are you going to Instagram feed this? It's so weird.

[Troy Hayden]

Yeah, no, the whole thing is weird. You know, somebody was just asking me this morning. They said, how do you handle, you know, watching this? And I said, this is a big difference between you watching, like, a little kid get hit by a car and watching, you know, the death penalty carried out. You know what I'm saying?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, absolutely.

[Troy Hayden]

I don't know how to put it. And so, you know, I've been a journalist for 35 years, and, you know, you kind of cut out the highs and lows. I've seen some amazing things, and I've also seen some awful things. So you try to detach yourself and just kind of report. Yeah, that's what I'm doing out here today.

[John Holmberg]

I'm kind of oddly less interested in the execution because I feel exactly the same way as you. It's like, well, I don't hold a whole lot of empathy here in a lot of this. And that's just me. That's my position on it. What I am interested in is in the newsroom, when they're like, we should send somebody. Is it. Are we drawing straws or is it. Did you. Are. Are there people like, I'd be happy to do it, or is it. Is it an assignment you want, is what I'm saying?

[Troy Hayden]

So my. The very first execution I covered it was that it was basically drawing draws. It was, you know, hey. And I worked for Channel 10 at the time. Like, hey, Fox 10, it's your time to come up. Do you have anybody who would do this? And so they picked me. And that was really the beginning of me covering the Department of Corrections. And it's not just death penalties. I cover. I cover corrections officers and how they're understaffed and underpaid and, you know, some of the great rehabilitation programs they have. But over the course of time now, I put myself out there this last Time I talked to the new Department of Corrections director, and I said, look, I've covered four of these. I have perspective, I have experience. You've seen what I've done here, and I will be fair. You know, I'll be accurate and fair. And so, yeah, I put myself. I think it's important. Like I said, look, it's a very controversial issue, as you guys know, so you got to make sure that you come at it from right down the middle. You know, I totally understand people who are pro death penalty and anti death penalty, so, I mean, let's just go ahead and report as it is. If you're anti death penalty, you want to change the law, call your legislators, you know, that's.

[John Holmberg]

That's for sure. Yeah, don't quit. Just barking into the air like I do. Now, having said. This is what, your fifth one?

[Troy Hayden]

Yeah, this will be my fifth one.

[John Holmberg]

Do you find yourself kind of ranking them of which ones went better than others? Yeah, it's like a strange. I mean, is it one of those things like that didn't go very well. Have you been to one of those?

[Troy Hayden]

Yeah, I was at Joseph Wood, and I think it was 2014. Yeah, well, you know, look, they call it a botched execution, and if you want to get technical about it, you know, it didn't go the way the Department of Corrections planned. You know, he was on that table for two hours. Oh, and I likened it to, you know, you take a fish and you throw it on the shore. You know how a fish kind of gulps for air? Yeah, that's what he was doing for. For two hours. But at the end of the execution, he was. He was gone. So, I mean, it wasn't botched. It just didn't go the way that they wanted it to. But that put a halt on executions for a long time.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, the methodology is. Is. Is flawed, but the end result was exactly what you wanted. But still, it's tough. And you had to stay for the full two hours.

[Troy Hayden]

Yeah, and I remember Michael Kiefer from the Republic was next to me, and he was actually. You know how you put the little check marks like 1, 2, 3, 4, and then cross them five.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Troy Hayden]

And he was doing that on a paper for every time that Wood would make that go. And I remember he had a whole pad. There's like thousands of them.

[John Holmberg]

God, what did that. What did that guy do? I don't remember. You remember, they're all.

[Troy Hayden]

They're all blending together like two people. They are. You know, here's the deal. I Mean, you can murder a single person. There's mitigating aggravating factors, right?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Troy Hayden]

And I've spent a lot of time on the open yard, where mostly it's like gang members who have killed other people. I always felt a little edgy out there because those guys, you felt like they had nothing to lose and they were edgy people and they had killed for money and that sort of thing. And I also hung out for a day in. In death row. And those guys are just like. Just weird, odd people.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know. Yeah, it's just. Yeah, it's just they're not normal. They're not normal people. Yeah.

[Troy Hayden]

No, but they get to play basketball together and. And play chess. I don't know. You're laughing. I mean, when I first started covering this, they would be locked down 23 hours a day, you know?

[John Holmberg]

Really? Jesus. Yeah, but now they're all weird. They're all playing. They're having a recess like crazy.

[Unknown]

So how does it work in the morning? Is it their last meal at breakfast or do they do have a dinner the night before? I'm concerned. You know, the menu.

[John Holmberg]

Brady's trying to get his boss sauce in on the. On the deal.

[Troy Hayden]

It has to be from inside. And I've only got about another 30 seconds. Okay, you guys, I'm sorry, I gotta do something else, but.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Troy Hayden]

So I asked about the last meal today and they did not want to talk about it. So I think they're kind of getting away from it. I thought that was kind of silly, to be honest with you. With the last meal real quick. Why should they be treated special?

[John Holmberg]

10 seconds. How come they're doing it at 10am and not at midnight?

[Troy Hayden]

They changed that. The only. The very first one that I did was midnight. It used to be like the very first minute they could execute you. On the day they said they would execute you, they do it. That's why it was midnight. But I think they changed to be more convenient for everybody.

[John Holmberg]

There you go. Well, Troy, enjoy your day. You're my hero. Thanks, Troy. We'll talk to you soon. Morning sickness. Hear the words you say sometimes.

[Troy Hayden]

I mean, who talks like that?

[John Holmberg]

Holmberg's morning sickness.

[Troy Hayden]

I got.

[John Holmberg]

I got Troy Hayden, the witness to the whole thing today. And he said working it out there. He's already there. Like they're setting up and stuff. It's like he's a wedding planner. This is his fifth time. And I remember Cameron Harper on Channel 3. I've told this story a billion times. They executed at midnight. They did the gas drops, the pellets. And Cameron Harper's reporting for Channel three. And he was the ultimate, like, anchorman look. He silver hair, but young somehow. And his Anderson Cooper with like, if he was a man. And Cameron Harper's there and he's like, tonight we witnessed the execution of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he goes through the whole, you know, is Ted Knight. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'll be there. Hour later he comes out ghost white, crying. I never want to watch that again. Like, he wasn't. He didn't use his TV voice. And he's like, I'm done with that. That was awful. And he's like, I watched a man struggle for like 20 minutes to live. And I, you know, you stop thinking about what they did and, you know, like what Troy just said. In the end, it's what we're doing. So did it fail or succeed? If at the end you got exactly you want, you can't go having people flopping around breathing for two hours. That ain't good. But also, it depends on what they did. You murdered a bunch of kids and old ladies and stuff. I'm kind of into the idea maybe a couple hours. You're not being able to catch your breath.

[Unknown]

Surviving family members just.

[John Holmberg]

But even then, that one he was talking about, I remember there were family members. Like, that was bad. Like, nobody needs to see that. At least see it. Let him go through it.

[Brady]

But you don't need to close the curtains.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we're good. We'll get to that Green Mile. Percy, you got to wet that sponge, man. Well, Troy's going out there right now, so you can watch that on channel 12 later. His full report. And he is. He is the consummate newsman. I wish we had like 20 minutes with Troy, but he was between reports and just popped in to say hi. I learned nothing because I asked dumb questions, but I did.

[Unknown]

Sounds like you got stiff.

[John Holmberg]

We did learn some stuff. Yeah. Of course, Brady did get that hard hitting, factual question of what's the deal with the food? Does the guy poop it out or what's going on?

[Unknown]

I'll ask that afterwards.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we'll call him back and get some info for you. But it's nice. Troy's a good guy. I like him a lot. Is Troy Hayden for the death penalty on guys that get a little too close to his wife at the zoo? Well, not yet. He's still here. All right, Brad, are you ready for the email of my favorite in a while? Sure, I Had to clip some of it because he goes on and on about other stuff, but so I clipped out the middle and then just sent it over.

[Brady]

Let me put my seat belt on for this one.

[John Holmberg]

It's not that. It's. You're just going to enjoy this guy's dilemma. Okay, let me just preface it by saying this is something that Brett will find hilarious that's happening to someone else. Brett's not a bigot. Well, maybe a racist, for sure. You're not. You just find that stuff amusing for the discomfort that it creates in the room.

[Brady]

Absolutely.

[John Holmberg]

Brett is not the guy that runs his mouth on that. We tease, but Bert's not gonna. He's not one of. But when it comes to you, if it rhymes with a racial slur, you're gonna laugh.

[Brady]

And it doesn't matter which.

[John Holmberg]

It doesn't matter where either. I've been with you. When somebody said, well, that triggered me. Brett. What? He almost said it. I'm like, oh, my God. It says, I want to go to a Rockies game and just shout the word dinger and look around. Anybody? Anybody? This is. I have a question for you guys, and it's mainly for Brett. Recently, I've been dating an African American girl. Already.

[Brady]

No, I know. I'm good.

[John Holmberg]

She's probably the most perfect person physically, emotionally, and personality that I have ever met. I can see myself falling for her incredibly hard, and I already am. Here's the problem. I'm not to Burt standards, but I've always thought things that are borderline racist are hilarious. And not because I'm racist. I laugh because it's so incredibly uncomfortable and taboo. That makes me laugh all the time. I'm like, Brady sex talks do it, too. Maybe it's because I grew up in Shaker Heights, Ohio. Oh, he actually.

[Brady]

Cleveland.

[John Holmberg]

He actually wrote. Oh, they all. Is it by Cleveland is. It's nice.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. So he was. Okay. I don't know.

[Unknown]

The suburb of Cleveland.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. It says, I was surrounded by a racist family. All my members are lily white. And I always thought racism, real racism, was gross. But I grew out outnumbered by family members who were racist or comfortable with all the words. Me too. Northwest Indiana. The dividing line is a city called Munster. And everything down south of that is, like, it's just fair game. And it's surprising. At least it used to be. It's. It's. Yeah, It's American, white, middle of the, you know, heartland South. They just love. They just. I think that's where the south starts. Northwestern Indiana. It says, I'm so worried that racism lives in me because of what I was always around as a kid. So I'm around my new girlfriend. I find myself being so paranoid that eventually I'm gonna slip like I have Tourette's and say something stupid. The other day I was watching the movie over the Hedge. Remember over the Hedge?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Phenomenal. Garry Shandling, William Shatner. It's a animated. Very funny.

[Unknown]

He was like a hamster or something.

[John Holmberg]

No, he was a. Well, we'll get into that.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

Says I'm watching Over the Hedge with her nephew. He's six or seven or something like that. And I kept calling William Shatner's character funny. He thought the character was hilarious, especially when he'd pretend to die because he was a possum. So I kept saying, who's a funny little possum? You are. So the other. The movie goes on. Later he blurts out to his mother, my girlfriend, that he's a little possum. And my girlfriend says to me, someone at school is calling Dean a possum. She's going to call the school today. And I don't know what to do. By the way. By the way. Evidently in my sleep she said I was talking about the jungle she lived in. Said, I remember the dream. I didn't know I was talking. She was trying to have a conversation with. I tend to talk in my sleep, but evidently I was saying stuff about her in the jungle. The dream was about us being stuck like the Naked and Afraid show, but I kept saying her name and jungle. Do you guys suppose it just lives in me because of my family? It's part of my DNA. Do I even risk this relationship any further? Brett? Am I just gonna say it one day? Trent?

[Brady]

Yes. Yes, you are.

[John Holmberg]

My grandpa like possum is.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I never knew. I never knew that was a bad word. My grandpa taught me that when I was. I didn't know. I don't think people throw it around.

[Unknown]

I still don't know.

[John Holmberg]

You just. You learned it like he did. Yeah, but you can't tell a little African American kid who's a funny little possum. Evidently, while you're watching over the Hedge, I. But he's paranoid. So is this.

[Brady]

Don't watch American History X before you go to bed, Trent. I'm just gonna say that.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, no Quentin Tarantino movies. Now, I had this problem.

[Brady]

Mushroom cloud laying mother.

[John Holmberg]

There was a girl at Tony Romas who I thought was a adorable. And she had an accent. She was Mexican and she was so cute and she Was a busboy for, like, two months and quit first day I'm training her. I think she is the cutest thing in the world. But I was also surrounded by racism growing up. And you keep in mind, I'm 15, 16 years old, and I'm worried about it, and I don't know my way around things, so I'm like, just don't say anything dumb. That's all I'm thinking in my head. But I think white people all have a little accidental racist release valve. So I came by, and she's busting her ass. And I looked at her, I'm like, who's a busy little beaver? But I didn't say beaver. I said beaner, Beaver, beaver, beaver, beaver. And then I walk by, I'm like, oh, no. It happened. She kind of just let it go. But I. Like, from that moment on, she didn't like me anymore. And I was gonna get stabbed. Like, oh, no. And a. Psst. But I think that's what this guy has, is that internally he's not racist.

[Brady]

It's gonna happen.

[John Holmberg]

So, yeah. So he's trying. You're trying so hard to not be racist that you're thinking about it too much. It's like being on the radio and trying to say the word country properly. I watched it the other day. Tucker Carlson was talking to Chris Cuomo on something, and the second I turned in, he tried to say, country slipped up four times before he finally got the whole word out. It's a broadcast problem. You're told, that's the granddaddy. Don't say the C word. Don't do it. So when you're thinking, can't say that. Can't say that. And word country comes up, you're like, you've done it. I've done it, Brett. So we've all slipped up on that word a million times. Cause our bodies are that little release steam valve that we've got of bigotry. Cause we're. Cause the truth of the matter is we're too worried about it. You know, it's inside us to not want to do it. But we know what all the bad things are, because we're not stupid. We've been around, and you've heard it, and you recognize how bad is. I think a person that just blurts it out is bad. A person that is trying not to. But you're.

[Brady]

It's Tourette's, and that's the problem. You're gonna. You're gonna slip up. It's just.

[John Holmberg]

You're too worried about it.

[Troy Hayden]

Right.

[Brady]

The more you worry about it, the more you're going to do it.

[John Holmberg]

You can have a dream about two people in the jungle.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And not worry that you're, you know, you're making a Tarzan movie with her. It's not a thing. It's like you're just having a dream, but you made some stupid.

[Brady]

Don't watch any way. Any which way but lose nothing like that.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Anything that. That's his problem. Exactly. I go the other way. I think you should confront it. I think you should tell her. I'm so concerned that I'm gonna upset you. Yeah.

[Brady]

She should understand that, though.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, she's dating a white guy.

[Brady]

Exactly. Exactly. So I.

[Unknown]

She'll laugh at some of it and just say.

[Brady]

And she may laugh at you when you do it just because she knows it's coming.

[John Holmberg]

And then maybe in the middle of the night, you blurt out a few Tourette's bombs and she's just like, well, at least it's while he's sleeping.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

The talking in the sleep.

[John Holmberg]

That's tough. If you talk in your sleep and you're worried constantly about being racist, guess what's gonna happen when you sleep. I know, but that, but he's worried that.

[Brady]

So it can't be right.

[John Holmberg]

It's not. Yeah.

[Brady]

And it's like you said, he. She's dating a white dude. She, you know, she understands.

[John Holmberg]

I found that email hysteric because I'm like, this poor guy is going to bed. It's. It's.

[Unknown]

Hopefully he can take her with no problems to Shaker Heights Country Club. Very nice club.

[John Holmberg]

And also probably up until the 70s.

[Brady]

I was gonna say. Is she allowed.

[John Holmberg]

Not real big on bringing her in. How's his family feel about all this? He's got. He puts so much pressure on the relationship because of race.

[Brady]

He's gonna screw it up in that just because of.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And you. And that's gonna be the end. Yeah. Just kind of let it go. Talk to your new girlfriend and just basically say, look, I was raised by racist. In a racist environment, by people who didn't think they were racist, who said racist stuff. Which is what my Indiana family. I don't believe they. They don't care for other races. The words they use are just like, oh, my God. And I don't know that they still do it, but like my grandpa and his neighbor and then my other grandpa in Pennsylvania who came from Sweden and Sweden. That place. And they still. Norway just changed a few years ago to make it so You. You can marry outside of. Was it. I think it was Norway. You can marry outside of a Norwegian citizen. Like, they had to be naturally born Norwegian blood in order for them to approve you being together. That's recent. That's in the 2000.

[Brady]

Blonde hair, blue eyes.

[John Holmberg]

They wanted to keep that complete. Yeah, it's Aryan.

[Brady]

That's what I'm saying.

[Unknown]

Iceland's very tight.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe it was. I was one of them, but one of those Nordic countries, like, you're not doing this. Like, we're not drifting. And they have huge issues with that. Hear the words you say sometimes.

[Troy Hayden]

I mean, who talks like that?

[John Holmberg]

Holmberg's morning sickness. I was raised by people. Well, not raised, but my grandpa, he came from that. Like, this was. You don't deal with the other races. You just stay to stick to your own. Yeah, that was it.

[Brady]

He didn't.

[John Holmberg]

Like I told this story, different Strokes when I watched. I loved Different Strokes when I was a little kid. If I turned that on and he saw it, he would say, get them out of my house. It wasn't, turn that off. He was probably new to tv. Still, it's confusing. There's people in that little box that can escape. I think he was kind of dumb. I don't think my grandpa was that bright. It was.

[Unknown]

I mean, my mom's side of the family growing up, it was. You don't go outside of being Catholic. They're Catholic. If you're going to marry, somebody got to be Catholic.

[John Holmberg]

And those people.

[Unknown]

My mom and sister married a Jewish guy, and that was. They had to elope right here to get over it.

[John Holmberg]

She married a horned scum to them. And the Jewish family didn't like what was going on either.

[Unknown]

The concern was, well, what's going to happen when you have kids? How's that going to work?

[John Holmberg]

Well, they're going to burst into flames because they got half Jew blood. And the Jew family thought the same thing about the Catholics. They're just going to be a bunch of arrogant, hypocritical pricks.

[Brady]

What did your grandfather think watching a White Sox game when Chet Lemon would come up to bat or something?

[John Holmberg]

So here's where it all kicks in. Oh, that grandpa was fine.

[Brady]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[John Holmberg]

The other grandpa was sports.

[Brady]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

Was basically like, if they're entertaining me, I'm fine.

[Brady]

So Amos and Andy's fine, but naturally okay.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

I just always remember the Thanksgiving, like you said, when she goes back and meets the family. I think of my one friend that brought a friend home from school for Thanksgiving and his Dad's. And they're watching the football game and the guy has no idea, but dad's sitting there and being dad.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

They score touchdown.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, boy.

[Unknown]

Dad's like, oh, boy. That's right, monkey.

[Katie Hobbs]

No.

[John Holmberg]

Geez, you can't do that. She's gonna kill everybody.

[Unknown]

Like this guy.

[John Holmberg]

You kill everybody.

[Katie Hobbs]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

He's like, well, there's his last.

[John Holmberg]

That's the end of that. And it should have been. He should have had his head lopped off right there for even think it. Well, can't do that. And so this thing, I think you just.

[Brady]

All you have to do confront it.

[John Holmberg]

Is watch a lot of that stuff, like Quentin Tarantino movies and just have it happen around. And then if you start saying it in the middle of the night, that's. That's the worst part is you're talking in your sleep, Trent, man. Yeah, it's just bad. Saying the wrong thing at the wrong time is so bad. But you have a little racist release valve. From being raised in Shaker Heights, Ohio.

[Brady]

I'm sure she probably does too.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, she hates you in a lot of ways.

[Brady]

I mean, she's.

[John Holmberg]

And you know, she's calling you a.

[Brady]

Cracker in her sleep and everything else. You know, there's a lot of justification.

[John Holmberg]

To why, you know, read a book if she started it, if she wouldn't you would you be like crackers. I hope you all die in a fire. She's asleep and say like, cracker gonna burn all the crackers. And she wakes up. I'm sorry, was I talking? Yeah, it was horrifying.

[Unknown]

Tell me about the dream.

[John Holmberg]

What were you dreaming? There were saltines and there was a small kitchen fire. I don't believe you. Cracker. Cracker. All crackers must die. I love to hear cracker scream. Mmm. Honey, wanna wake up? I'm sorry, what? Racist release valve. Psst. It's coming out. You're too concerned. And no, I don't wanna hear from any of the emailers.

[Brady]

This was.

[Unknown]

Look, there's gonna be some slip ups between us. I'm just gonna tell you, right?

[John Holmberg]

Most of the time I'm gonna be unconscious when I'm doing it. But if I ever do it like wide awake and stuff, then you get mad at me. But if I start, you know, dropping bombs in my sleep, it's just because I'm nervous when I'm awake that I'm gonna. It lives inside me.

[Brady]

I was listening to the Chronic before I went to bed. I'm sorry.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, you gotta. Yeah. You know what? You know Everything, just embrace it. Get everything around you to be that for a second and just kind of get it out of your system because it's. Yeah, you're thinking about it too much, which means it's going to find, it's going to find its way out. And that, you know, to me, that's proof that you're not. It's proof that you're like concerned about someone else's feelings. And it lives in there. It's, it's just around us. We have to be adults about it and act like I don't even know that word. Right. But you do, you know, and all this passive aggressive stuff that rappers throw that in there and make us like the music because it's really good. And then drop that bomb left and right, make it feel like, well, there it is again. You know, Brady's daughter just went to go see Tyler the creator and heard it 8, 900 times that night. And then on the way home, and then it's like, you not supposed to say that. You know, it's like, yeah, but it's so catchy. It rhymes with so much. And they know and like, all right. And pop it out there. And then white kids say it. You're like, gotcha. It's, it's, it's a trap.

[Brady]

Scott says, tell him to be a man and put his big boy pants on. Tell him, tells girl what's going on. Be a man.

[John Holmberg]

And also don't let her call the school and get some other little white kid in trouble for the whole over the hedge problem. I did that. I called, I called your nephew that. Why did you do. Well, I didn't know it was a bad thing. And William Shatner's character's hilarious. Yeah. Just. If you've got. You got it, you've got it. You're. It's kind of like having, I think it's probably kind of like having herpes. There's going to be a flare up and you don't expect it. Probably in your sleep.

[Brady]

You don't want that kid at school, that Brantford Brundle, to get in trouble.

[John Holmberg]

You know, I mean, that kid's going on, you don't have to worry about it. He'll find his own way. Brandbert Branberg, Brundle Stein. I forgot what his name was. Brand Bird's gonna find his way to the principal's office on his own. And maybe. You know what? Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe we twist this. Maybe you do tell the teacher that somebody's been calling Dean the thing from over the hedge, which I didn't know was bad till like my grandpa that I'd forgotten until today. And then the teacher will go, I don't know who's doing this. And go right to the problem and bust him anyway. Because that kid desert. Like maybe this is the thing that pushes a little jerk racist kid over this. If the teacher's like, I have no idea, like I can't even imagine. But if there's one kid, the teacher's like, it's dj, I'll go talk to him. Now we know who's doing it. And then you'll just hear, D.J. lisicki to the principal's office, please. D.J. lisicki, what I do? Which one of you told on me? And then he would deny it. Hey, we know you did it. I didn't. This is.

[Brady]

I.

[John Holmberg]

Nothing happened, all right? You're suspended for a week. What'd I do? And you have to apologize to Dean for what? But, but the funny thing is, is like why didn't she tell. Like why didn't your girlfriend say, hey Dean, who's calling you that? She just immediately jumped. So that's a little bit judgmental on her part. There's some cracker at the kids school because she didn't say, who's calling you that? Your boyfriend. Thank God she didn't turn to Dean and say, where did you. Why is that happening? And you know what? I'll take this time to apologize to that incredibly hard working bus girl from 1990. 88. When was I? 87. 88. That I called a busy beaver, only didn't say beaver.

[Brady]

Did the Chris Valenzuelas get mad too when you said that or.

[John Holmberg]

No, now that was a different animal. Once I got tight with the Chris Valenzuelas, we let fly.

[Brady]

Oh, okay.

[John Holmberg]

They were coming at me and I was. And we'd laugh for hours. And then they do it to each other. And then I was allowed in on it. But they liked me. The Chris Valenzuelas really liked me. Because I'd drive them home. Like we'd pile in that Jeep like it was a cartoon car. There's like 16 dudes standing. It looked like Al Qaeda was coming through the apartment complex. I had people sitting on top of it. And Chris Valenzuela's loved me. And then we started joking with me about. They had words for me. I don't remember, but. And then one of them that I teased was gay. The. The. Because he was very effeminate and the other guys called him stuff. And I. And I would always say kulo melabia because I didn't know what that meant, but it means lift my butt. And I called him Senor Mariposa. So we'd go back Mr. Butterfly and we'd go back and forth, like, joking about that. But I was. Once the Valenzuela started, we could do it. Which wise the release valve. When I said that to that girl, that was way before the Chris Valenzuela's workday to her credit. And I don't even know to this day if she heard me say that. But I overcorrected beaver. Bieber beaver. And completely new that I didn't say the right thing. Whites. It's subliminal racism. Yeah, Cranston, you're right. He says he needs a black friend to hang around him so they can say all the racial slurs that he's thinking like they did on Key and Peele. That's right. You have Obama's inner voice was screaming out what he wanted to say but couldn't. But I think it's. I think you're being. I think you're being a decent person, but you're overthinking this.

[Unknown]

You'll be fine.

[John Holmberg]

And I also love that you ran right to us. You ran right to us and said, what do I do about this? Calm down. Everybody's a little bit judgy and bigoted. You really like this girl. That's what I'm hearing. And you don't want any of your history that you're ashamed of to creep out. They're ashamed of your family and they. And you're worried that they live inside you and you're. And maybe deep down, psychologically, you're like, if this goes the way I want it to. Because he said he wanted this to go. He could fall for that. He's got to introduce him to these people. Introduce her to these people. And so maybe you're putting a little pressure on yourself going, man, there's some big walls I got to climb coming up if this works out. And so now you're like, you're thinking about those idiots.

[Brady]

And just tell Doug Imhoff just to relax. He'll be fine.

[John Holmberg]

That's right. We are going to call you Doug Emhoff. Now that is a great look, Emhoff.

[Unknown]

You're gonna make an opportunity relationship.

[Katie Hobbs]

I won't give you an opportunity, Doug, to get it all out while you're sleeping.

[John Holmberg]

Thank God. Good night, Kamala.

[Katie Hobbs]

Good night, Doug. Oh, look at him.

[John Holmberg]

He's.

[Katie Hobbs]

Honestly, that's how you Know he loves me.

[John Holmberg]

M Hop. Trent was his name. Trent. Trent you are. It wasn't Trent, was it?

[Brady]

Yeah, I think it was.

[John Holmberg]

I don't remember what it was. Go get him, Trevor. It doesn't matter. As M. Hoff now. And in fairness, I changed his name anyway. I wrote the name down. It's not his real name. And it's not the kid's name either, by the way. No black kid's name. Dean. I changed the name for the safety of the people. But I'm nice that way. See, that's me. That's me protecting everybody.

[Brady]

It's not Brent. Bart.

[John Holmberg]

His name, actually. All right, his name was Brant Part, and I don't know, Brant Part was. Yeah, I'm sorry. I had the cat's out of the back. Yeah. When I said Dean, I'm like. When I wrote Dean down, I'm like, what are you doing? When I changed the thing in the letter, I'm like, you can't use these people's names because it's bad. But Dean I chose Dean for. And the only reason why is because I changed the name. I have a friend named Dorsey who just changed his name to Dean because he was tired of people thinking he was a chick. So now you call, hey, Dorsey. What's up? It's Dean. Like, come on, man. I've known you as Dorsey for 20. He's here this week. So I think that's probably why I went to Dean when I changed the name. But homework's morning sickness. Hear the words you say sometimes?

[Troy Hayden]

I mean, who talks like that?

[John Holmberg]

98 KU PD Holmberg's Morning Sickness. There is. I can almost guarantee you there are zero African American males under the age of 20 named Dean right now. So that's how, you know, I kind of altered that a little. And Trent's not his name either. That's why I was scrolling. We'll call him. We'll call him Mhof. From here on out, when I change names, I'll make a situational name changes. Emhoff and Dean Emhoff. Who wrote that? That's a good one. Damn them. I wasn't even thinking of Doug. I forgot about those two. I forgot completely about those two.

[Katie Hobbs]

He loves me very much. He's over there taking a nap, Spear. He's getting his racism out. That's what white people have to do in the night they opportunity. Look, what's going on with you.

[John Holmberg]

That got me. That was a good one. And people are trying. I'm trying to. I'm trying to delicately go through the Emails and tell Michael Richards to relax.

[Brady]

He'll be fine.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah Kramer, you're gonna be his name is Kramer Emhoff. That's what we're gonna call you from now on.

[Brady]

Makes a good point. This guy needs to buy the new Call of Duty and let the f bombs fly in the voice chat.

[John Holmberg]

You know what exactly which all the yeah oh the horrible, horrible language that's on Bluetooth. Video games. Me the boy, you go I I. It's the last time I ever played.

[Brady]

I have to put mine in mute because I'm just laughing the entire time. I'm screwing up the whole game for everybody again.

[John Holmberg]

I've the the last time I played John Madden online had to be 14 years ago when it first started the Bluetooth wasn't very good and I swear to God this kid was 13. I've never had my ass beaten in any event ever as badly as he was beating me. And he called me the nword a hundred times in the first quarter and tell it just telling me how terrible I was. And at first I'm like you're right, I am. And I'm like boy, I'm letting a lot of those go. This kid is coming at me hot. And it was just non stop just and I kept getting like and then I started getting angry because he was just whipping my ass and then name.

[Unknown]

The time and place kid.

[John Holmberg]

I would have fought him for real.

[Brady]

Beat your little ass.

[John Holmberg]

It was like 86 to 7. I couldn't do anything. I quit at halftime. I just turned it off. But I said I was distracted by the racism but truth of the matter was this kid was he's a magician and I could tell he was white. Made me even madder. Yeah I don't go online and that stuff those, those dudes just start it's bad. You'll get inevitably if you get strangers in on the little chat. The Call of Duty. Oh my God. I tried playing that once with strangers. That got bad fast.

[Brady]

The only reason I keep playing just the Bluetooth chats just to listen.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I'm not participating. I just have a fear that someday there's going to be some were you in this room and then they've got audio recordings. I'm like well I was in there but I'm not talking. Oh yeah, you're also not leaving. Damn it.

[Brady]

I mean it's definitely not Furious Styles lecturing in those rooms.

[John Holmberg]

No, no, it is, it gets.

[Brady]

It's a title of the creator show on there.

[John Holmberg]

The worst part is that I'm always kind of the R word of the group. Because I'm new to Call of Duty, and these guys been playing for years Halo, and I'm walking into walls, and I can't get loose. And, like, hurry up. And then. Then it starts. Either way, Dean's gonna be all right. This one says, I agree with you, John. All society is labeled white people or Caucasian or whatever you want to call us as racist. Whenever we use slang. I don't think that's slang. It just makes us nervous. So our bodies, every once in a while, you know, purge, hits a button and accidentally says it. Well, I can't. You can't help it. Try being on the radio for 25 years with the foul mouth that I have. And I'm good at not cussing. I've developed the ability to do that. And I don't say anything. I'm not really beeping any bad words out. That's just where one would go in real life. I swear, like crazy. It's. It's. It's embarrassing. But, you know, that's just to get. I have to. Because I've been structured by this business not to say dirty words. And that big one is man. Country is the. Was the worst word that you can see on a page reading live. You're gonna goof it up because you're. You're. You look at it and see it. Sort of like when. You know, when you're reading. Most of us, not Brady, but when we're reading, we can see a line ahead we already know. Like, kind of look ahead and see a word coming up, and you're like, oh. And then you see it, you know, don't say it. And then inevitably, you're like, the people of that country, damn it. And you're doomed because your brain says. You're not supposed to say the first half of that at all by itself. Don't. Don't. The whole time. Try saying it, and your brain's going, don't say. Don't say. Okay. But there it sits. Trent, good luck to you. Keep us up to date. I hope your relationship works out. And also immediately email us the day you introduce this angel to your family back in Shaker Heights. Oh, baby. And if you're a black lady and you're dating some guy from Shaker Heights, he loves you very much. Despite what he says in his sleep. He's trying real hard, so it's all good. Don't give him a little break. Sometimes you're gonna hear some stuff when he sleeps that's not real comfortable that's just the ghost of his grandpa. He's kind of. He's possessed by. And he's trying to purge it. He's a decent man, this. This Emhoff character. Brett, what do you got on the big board of musical treats?

[Brady]

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[John Holmberg]

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[John Holmberg]

Boy. Oh, what happened? Yeah, I said I dated a woman who was African American and she used to call her kids a variation of the N word and say he said it so much in front of me that I got comfortable with it. And once in the grocery store, I did it. Whoops. Can't do that.

[Brady]

Thought I wasn't shopping there.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, Brett would have been doing snow angels on the ground, laughing so hard.

[Brady]

I'm never not shopping at sprouts ago this place.

[John Holmberg]

What do you got? All right.

[Brady]

On the list, Misfits. Azie. I don't know, cuz. Randy Rhodes died this day in anniversary. White Snake. Here I go again for all the conspiracy theory guys. And then of course we got a couple of the execution ones. Static X Bled For Days. Mud Vein, Death Blooms. Motorhead Killed by Death. Dead. Kennedy's Incubus Rat for some reason, the Warning, the Toady's Possum kingdom for Emhoff's kid and Body Count. There goes the neighborhood for Trent.

[John Holmberg]

I didn't even know that was like, that's not something that I think is modern. And what the problem is is that it gets reintroduced and somebody knows it. It's like, I thought we were past that one and then it comes back like, oh no, it's a thing. Yeah, that's no good because can we even listen to that song anymore?

[Brady]

I don't know. Somebody asked for Ace of Spades too, and I can't do that either.

[John Holmberg]

Gotta be so uncomfortable all the time. This is what I'm saying. Don't celebrate this, boys. Now you're doing it now. You're all hitting your little pals.

[Brady]

Brady did it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I know we still have that mountain over in Mesa, and I don't know when they're going to change the name of that, but I'm the first. I've been saying it for 25 years. Change the name of that little mountain. Yes.

[Brady]

I'm a traditional kind of guy.

[John Holmberg]

That's a trap. It's supposed to make us say bad things, and then we get in trouble and go, but the mountain is gonna be. Yeah, but you meant. I'm like, daddy, I said ride my bike on the hill. That I'm not supposed to. No, I'm not talking about it. Come on. No, no. But they keep it out there just like, all right, I dare you. I'm like, not gonna happen. That thing might as well just be like, amistad Mountain. I'm like, I'm never gonna say. Never, ever, ever gonna say it this weekend. No way. Haas Trail. I'll go to Hawes or it's at.

[Brady]

That direction, Squaw Peak.

[John Holmberg]

And I'm not even allowed to say that I'll go out there to Dreamy Draw. I don't think you can screw that up. That sounds beautiful. I think that might be gay, but it's beautiful. Yeah, it's. Look, get it out of your system. Scream it in your car like you got Tourette's. Get it out of your system. Don't do it here. And change the name. Mesa. God damn it. Change the name of that little hill. It's on maps and stuff.

[Brady]

Oh, of course. Someone was going down.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not doing that. Nope, that's another one. God. See what we have to fight as white people. What lives inside us all the time. Be better.

[Unknown]

I'm playing golf.

[John Holmberg]

Nope. I'm not gonna turn you off. I'm just gonna turn you off because I don't want you to sit that in it accidentally trying to be wacky. Fun, man. Don't. Don't think of new ones and then try. Don't. Don't. They're not going to say anything for sure. I'm looking at your eyes. I've seen you. I know your eyes when you look at. He can't not do it.

[Brady]

Well, of course you going to play.

[John Holmberg]

Nope. No, I'm turning you all off. That's just the John show. Nope. Nope.

[Dick Toledo]

Jose.

[John Holmberg]

Call me that all day. But when you're sitting there thinking and that almost dead gerbil starts exactly with Toledo, that. That half dead gerbil. That's Crawling around in Brady's mind going, I'm hungry, I'm hungry, I'm hungry. And then he goes, here's a good one. I watched that thing start to work in your head so you could go, sometimes when I golf. No, it's enough of the both of you. We're gonna play, I don't know, for Randy Rhodes, that dead cracker 43 years ago. I understand that, Brady. I know how to do math. I am not Asian, but I'm good at math. I'm actually terrible at math. It's because I'm white. We'll do a little I don't know by Randy Rhodes. There. That's solid. Idiots. And you got him going. Now he's gonna laugh for four hours.

[Unknown]

You started.

[John Holmberg]

No, I did not. I started. I started a nice societal conversation saying, wow, this is a thing. When I go golfing, I'm like, this took a half an hour. You should have worn a hard hat while you were constructing this terrible, stupid joke. That's only for one reason. So you can say a word you're not supposed to and get away with it. Like that stupid bump in Mesa.

[Brady]

Come on, let's go bike.

[John Holmberg]

No, I'll turn you off. Don't.

[Unknown]

I'm not.

[John Holmberg]

I know, but you're constructing again. I hear that rusty ass wheel Rick half the. Don't. Don't you either. Nope. We're done with this.

[Brady]

Rick wants to change his name to the.

[John Holmberg]

That's enough of you. Old English Hill's kind of funny. Okay, I'll give you that. That's pretty funny. That's funny because you can't. Yeah, Will. All kind of. But deep down, it's easy. You get away with it. All right, that's a good one.

[Brady]

Oh, they're coming in now.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not listening to you people. See, and what we've done here, Dean and Trent, my. My renamed people Emhoff, is that you've created this, like, oh, today's the day we get to release the valve a little bit. You do it on my emails constantly. Jerks. Anyway. All right. I don't know by Ozzy Osborne. Because that's just what I said. I don't know. Randy Rhodes. 43 years. Crazy how long ago this was. And I forgot this was off Blizzard of Oz, I thought. I don't know was later. But yeah, that was the last one.

[Brady]

First album. First.

[John Holmberg]

First one. That's right. 83. So they had two more in between.

[Brady]

Well, there was Blizzard, then Diary, and then he was.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, so it was only one more all right. I thought. I don't know. Was after Randy Rhodes. I guess I didn't realize. I don't know. Those times, I always confuse it.

[Unknown]

What was an 82?

[John Holmberg]

I'm done talking to you for a minute. Let your gerbil rest. Back in 82, we were allowed to say no. It's Ozzy, everybody. It's I don't know. For Randy Rhodes, one of the greatest of all time. It's 98. It's not weird.

[Troy Hayden]

It's pretty cool, actually.

[Unknown]

No membership fee.

[John Holmberg]

I have heard enough of this.