04-02-25 - Val Kilmer Has Died But Can John Forgive Him For His Role In The Doors - BBC Show Has Rocky Relationships Watch As Other Men Take Wives For A Test Drive - John's Got A Good Idea For True Survival Type Show Where You Find Your Way Home

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona
Episode: April 2, 2025
Host: John Holmberg
Co-Hosts: Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo
Release Date: April 2, 2025

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1. Val Kilmer's Passing and His Role in "The Doors"

The episode opens with the somber news of Val Kilmer's death, prompting a deep dive into his portrayal of Jim Morrison in the film The Doors. John Holmberg sets the stage for a candid discussion about Kilmer's legacy and his association with the iconic rock band.

John: "News of Val Kilmer's passing last night kind of swept across everybody... I've always had a problem with Val Kilmer because of that goddamn Doors movie revitalizing that terrible band for about seven years."
Timestamp: [01:45]

2. Critique of The Doors and Jim Morrison

Brady Bogen shares his strong opinions on both Val Kilmer's performance and The Doors as a band. He expresses his disdain for Jim Morrison's character and the band's music, highlighting Kilmer's ability to make him dislike Morrison even more.

Brady: "Val Kilmer made me hate Val Kilmer for a little while because he was so convincing as the insanely hateable Jim Morrison."
Timestamp: [03:21]

The hosts delve into the negative aspects of Morrison's poetry and musical contributions, with Brady asserting that The Doors are "the most overrated rock band in the history of music."

Brady: "I say proudly, the most overrated rock band in the history of music. No question, they are top one one A."
Timestamp: [03:49]

3. Val Kilmer's Other Roles and Legacy

The conversation shifts to Kilmer's other notable performances, such as Top Gun, Heat, and Tombstone. While acknowledging his versatility, the hosts lament that his association with The Doors overshadows his broader body of work.

Brady: "Heat's the one to watch. I think if you were to go Val Kilmer's best work. You got to give Heat. That's the best he was."
Timestamp: [46:04]

4. BBC Show: Men Take Wives for Test Drives

Brady introduces a controversial BBC show where men take their wives out on dates with other men to rekindle their relationships. The segment sparks a heated debate among the hosts about the psychological implications and effectiveness of such therapy.

Brady: "There's a guy who's basically letting people test drive his wife. And his therapist said, look, you don't appreciate her... this is basic therapy."
Timestamp: [20:00]

Bret: "You're a kid, Mark."
Timestamp: [31:28]

The discussion explores themes of jealousy, insecurity, and the fine line between anger and love in relationships. The hosts ponder whether watching one's spouse with another can genuinely reignite lost passion or merely deepen existing frustrations.

Brady: "Jealousy is an insecurity that something is going to be taken away... if you see that she's with you, I get mad."
Timestamp: [30:15]

5. Reactions and Personal Insights

The hosts share personal anecdotes and hypothetical scenarios to illustrate their points. They debate the moral and emotional ramifications of the BBC show, questioning its ability to foster genuine connection versus creating further discord.

Brady: "Imagine you're on a cloud and then watching your wife here with someone else. It's beautiful."
Timestamp: [25:26]

Toledo: "It's like using a man's grill. I don't use my grill a lot, but if Brady came over and fired it up, I'd be like, get the off my grill."
Timestamp: [27:56]

6. John's Idea for a Survival Show

Towards the end of the episode, John Holmberg pitches his concept for a new survival-type TV show. The idea involves participants navigating their way home after a simulated air disaster, combining elements of Survivor and Naked and Afraid with a competitive twist.

John: "I had a great idea for a TV show... survivors finding their way home after a plane crash, with the first to return winning $10 million."
Timestamp: [38:05]

The hosts brainstorm potential challenges, storytelling elements, and the integration of teamwork and survival skills, envisioning a series that tests both physical endurance and mental resilience.

Brady: "You got to find your way home. That's it. You got to survive."
Timestamp: [39:02]

7. Final Thoughts on Val Kilmer and The Doors

Wrapping up, the hosts circle back to Val Kilmer's impact and their enduring disdain for The Doors' music. They nostalgically reference Kilmer's performances while firmly stating their preference to distance themselves from his portrayal of Morrison.

Bret: "Scott Haynes made a good point though. He was great in Heat, except he was overshadowed by De Niro and Pacino."
Timestamp: [46:07]

Brady: "Val Kilmer's gone, the doors still suck, and maybe you should watch your wife bang away. That's all."
Timestamp: [45:58]

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Notable Quotes:

• Brady Bogen: "I hate Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison... [He] made me just hate Jim Morrison more than..."
  Timestamp: [03:21]

• John Holmberg: "Val Kilmer's death... can John forgive him for his role in The Doors?"
  Timestamp: [01:45]

• Brady Bogen: "Jealousy is an insecurity that something is going to be taken away... if you see that she's with, I get mad."
  Timestamp: [30:15]

• John Holmberg: "I had a great idea for a TV show... survivors finding their way home after a plane crash."
  Timestamp: [38:05]

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Conclusion

This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness delivers a potent mix of pop culture critique, personal opinions, and provocative ideas. From dissecting Val Kilmer's controversial role in The Doors to exploring unconventional relationship therapies and pitching innovative TV show concepts, the hosts engage listeners with their unfiltered perspectives and dynamic banter. Whether you agree with their takes or find them contentious, the episode offers a comprehensive look into the hosts' viewpoints on fame, relationships, and survival.

Transcript

[Brett]

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[John]

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[Brady]

You thought that was funny? You were laughing like a hyena when he said it. What the hell is wrong with you? Good morning everybody. Hello there. Welcome to Wednesday. It's 5:45 this, the morning Sickness. My name's John, there's Brady, there's Brett, there's Big Dick Toledo. And news of Val Kilmer's passing last night kind of swept across everybody and you know, he's been sick for a long time and it makes you realize, you know, all those movies he was in and stuff like that. I've always had a problem with Val Kilmer because of that goddamn Doors movie revitalizing that terrible band for about seven years. Oh, I thought we were dead and done with the Doors. I hated him as a kid. I hate. I always thought they were dopey when I was young. I didn't realize how much I hated them until I saw the movie. Then I realized how much I hated Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison as that drunken second grade poet. And then, then they, then they start showing up on the radio and they're songs come back for a little while and oh, that movie. Only good part of that movie is Meg Ryan blowing him in the elevator. Remember that or no, it was in the recording studio. Yeah, in the studio, in the booth. That was great. And she looked great. That was like, Meg Ryan looked amazing. But, yeah, Val Kilmer, she's still. She's still kicking. Is he still alive, Frank? You know what's great if that's true, Brady? That he realized how bad his poetry and his music are, and he didn't give us one more ounce of. Of his gift after he faked his death. And I can't say thank you enough, Jim, if you're listening and you are still alive on. On dead Celebrity island, thank you for quitting and never, ever wrecking our ears with another Doors poem again.

[Brett]

I mean, look how many Tupac made after he died.

[Brady]

Oh, so many. Come on, baby. Come on, little. Oh, you rhymed fire with fire. What a unique individual.

[Toledo]

Sleep all night in my soul kitchen.

[Brady]

Yeah. Wow. It's second grade poetry. He rhymed sky with pie with high. Any second grader with a drug addiction could have done exactly what Jim Morrison did. But I don't blame Val Kilmer so much for that. He did play the character perfectly, because midway through the movie, I'm like, I can't stand this guy. And that means Val Kilmer did a great job.

[Brett]

It's Oscar worthy right there.

[Brady]

Just to pull it off, to make real, stay in that theater and just go, my God, two and a half hours of this jackassery making me just hate Jim Morrison more than the. I say it proudly, the most overrated rock band in the history of music. No question, they are top one one A. And then, you know what's worse is number two is the. The other knobs in that band torn around without them playing their Moogs, their stupid piano. And they're. They're miserable.

[Toledo]

You have no idea, man.

[Brady]

I do have an idea. Ray Manzarek is a. Ray Manzarek is a good musician. Enough already. People are looking at you. Nobody could be that drunk and high that much.

[Toledo]

They gone through to the other side.

[Brady]

Terrible. It just. And I think just them saying, what a poet. Like, it's just so basic. I just don't like the Doors. But Val Kilmer, to his credit, made me hate Val Kilmer for a little while because he was so convincing as the insanely hateable Jim Morrison. And I. You know, people go and decorate Jim Morrison's grave. I'd go, I'd decorate it all right, in Paris. I'd fly over there and decorate that thing.

[Brett]

He's not there, so it doesn't matter.

[Brady]

That's right. He's out not giving us his music, which I couldn't. Again, that's if that's that's the only time I hope that that dead Celebrity island is true is that Jim Morrison just said, I decided a long time ago not to do any more music. I'm like, thank you so much. Are you still drunk? Oh, I was drunk. I'm always drunk. That movie, he's not sober once.

[Toledo]

I just like The Whittle now.

[Brady]

No. 1. Everybody that loved Jim Morrison and like, man, what a. You wouldn't spend five minutes with that asshole constantly at the peak of drunkenness. I don't know anybody who drank as much as he supposedly did that still got college girl drunk every time he had a sip. If the movie's any sort of like, spotlight on this guy, he couldn't handle his alcohol or his drugs getting on the roof. Oh, Christ, the Lizard King's up there again. We're in trouble.

[Toledo]

And his bandmates not showing up.

[Brady]

Think about it in terms of practice. Dick never showed up to work on time. Standing on rooftops, shouting at people that he's the Lizard King. He. He pissed us all off. If they ever make a movie about Kurt Cobain, same thing that one documentary about Curtain that horrible wife of his, Courtney made. You just go, might be the worst guy I've ever seen in my life. He's on heroin holding a baby. This is. This isn't art. This isn't his darkness, his depth. This is just an. On heroin, holding a baby.

[Brett]

Well, she was a C too, though.

[Brady]

Oh, she was horrible, too. Yeah. If they ever make the movie about Kurt Cobain and they do it as well as they did the Doors, you're going to hate Kurt Cobain too.

[Brett]

That's a crazy part. They kept mentioning that movie over, like, everything else he's done. I mean, like. I mean, Doc Holliday and in Tombstone.

[Brady]

I mean, Top Gun.

[Brett]

Amazing even as the Ice.

[Toledo]

Yeah. They credit that movie, the Doors one, and might have been Tombstone, the one that just propelled his.

[Brady]

Oh, it was huge. Yeah, but everybody does, you know. Real genius.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah.

[Brady]

And a few of those others in there. I do believe he was in Top Secret. Top Secret. That's what I was trying to think of. Top Secret was actually not unfunny. It was a little over the. Was that the Zucker's? Is that the same guys that did Airplane? Yeah, yeah, it was close to being in that category, but it missed too often. Yeah.

[Toledo]

The Saint.

[Brady]

The Saint was horrible. I forgot about that. Saint was a horrible movie.

[Toledo]

Elizabeth Shu.

[Brady]

Yeah, I went and saw that because of Elizabeth Shoes. I thought she was beautiful. And I'm like, this is a terrible movie. That was a bad one.

[Toledo]

He did some redo.

[Brady]

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, one of my favorites. Something that made me relate to that so much. And Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Him and Robert Downey Jr. Would sit and point people out all the time. The same way I do with friends. Was like, look over at that. That guy over there. Which one? The one said standing next to Indian Don Cheadle. Like, when you point out people everyone knows and then change their gender or something. It's just we had one yesterday with Neander Paul and someone we work with, and we comboed them together and made a whole new person out of it. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang's great. People forget he was Batman.

[Brett]

Yeah, but he was like the forget.

[Brady]

Well, not crazy, forgettable Batman.

[Brett]

But, I mean, Clooney was.

[Toledo]

Yeah, that was in a big time, that Batman. The resurgence and having the big stars. He was. Well, he'll make the cut.

[Brady]

I mean, number two, yeah, Michael Keaton was Batman. And then they did the Val Kilmer one. And you're like, maybe Michael Keaton was great at Batman because this one wasn't very good. And then Clooney ruined it. And then an Affleck, too. I don't know what the hell that thing was. Christian Bale was great.

[Toledo]

Yeah, he was Mad Martigan.

[Brady]

What's that in.

[Toledo]

In Willow.

[Brady]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

[Brett]

Wow.

[Brady]

Anyway, Val Kilmer. Val Kilmer's up there, probably going, oh, Jim Morrison, how are you? Good to see you. You've changed my career. He's like, I miss him On a cloud on by sky high Tri Pie. Oh, you're a great poet. You can rhyme three letter words like crazy. Morrison is. Oh, nothing worse. We were at that Dodgers spring training game, and my friend Craig's with me, and he goes, I don't hate them like you do because they're playing a door song on the way out. I'm like, oh, cringe. And he said, I don't hate him like you do. But I do agree that they're a little bit amplified. And I'm like, top of the list.

[Brett]

I put the Grateful Dead above them.

[Brady]

Grateful Dead is awful, but I think they're intentionally awful. I think they're designed to only target one type of person. And I think the Doors have they. And nobody ever looks at the Grateful Dead outside of Dead.

[Toledo]

That's just a jam session.

[Brady]

Yeah, they're a jam. Terrible. I agree. I. Look, they're up there. No question that they're. They're a top five room. Like, how the hell did this happen?

[Toledo]

Fish.

[Brady]

Fish shouldn't be anything. They've never had a song that mattered. They're just.

[Toledo]

There's a little more work involved listening to Fish than Grateful Dead. You can have it in the background.

[Brady]

No, you can't. I can hear it the second it's in the background. I'm leaving that room. I'm getting into the foreground, or you.

[Toledo]

Know what it is. That's for sure.

[Brady]

Awful. I hear awful. I hear nails on a chalkboard. But it's not Doors bad. The Doors were trying to be mass appeal and also subversive and underground at the same time. It was the ultimate in boy band meets.

[Toledo]

It's such a short run, man.

[Brady]

Yeah. Good. Go. Thank God. Imagine and Nirvana is the same. I say Nirvana. Although I think that first album came along and literally changed a bunch of stuff. They were a necessity to change music at the time they showed up. And they didn't do it on purpose because we needed three chords back again. We couldn't deal with any of that hair band music tweedling around with their constant guitar solos and look how fast we can play and formulaic nonsense. That music had gone so sideways. But it wasn't just Nirvana. I mean, you had Butch Vig. Look, Allison, at the end of the.

[Brett]

Day, it was Butch Fig.

[Brady]

Because if you listen to them before Butch Vig on bleach, they're just a bad garage band.

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[Brett]

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[Brady]

Guns, Dot Comberg's, Morning Sickness. But they came along and just simplified everything again and kind of reset the deck. But Alice in Chains album came out before that. Soundgarden was out before that. Nirvana was the least of them all. They were kind of the Dane Cook of the whole Seattle thing. Like, there was a comedy resurgence, a whole bunch of great comics. And then these guys show up and you're like, jesus Christ, how did they win? How were they first out of the gate? But they were. And, you know, man in a Box came out before. Never mind. So it kind of set the table for this new. Well, that's a little different. Not totally, but a little different.

[Toledo]

Made people go back and go deeper after that music went out.

[Brady]

What do you mean?

[Toledo]

I would have never known that that man in the Box came out before.

[Brady]

Facelift.

[Toledo]

You discovered all that stuff.

[Brady]

Well, it just came out as a rock album. Facelift came out as kind of a. A harder, edgy, dark rock album. But there's a few of them out there. You start looking around like, man, oh, man. I put Taylor Swift in that category. Although I think she's an actual writer. I think she can write good songs. I don't understand the gigantism of her success. I'll put her right. See what Val Kilmer's death did, it made us hate the Doors. Out loud on a radio station. And that's always a good death. Anytime you can step on the legacy that is the Doors.

[Toledo]

I didn't know this. I just saw. He was the voice of Kit in the Knight Rider reboot 2008 and 2009.

[Brady]

Was there a TV show?

[Toledo]

I guess so, yeah. There was a sequel series that aired. 2008, 2009. He provided the voice of Kit, who.

[Brady]

Provided the character of David Hasselhoff.

[Toledo]

Great question.

[Brady]

Who is Michael? I don't remember Knight Rider 2 at all. So, wait, David Hasselhoff put Knight Rider the car and Carvana, and somebody picked it up and started solving crimes again.

[Toledo]

It's still in the tower. Available.

[Brady]

It's still up in the gumball machine.

[Toledo]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Can I get Knight Rider out of there? It's a beauty here. It's a. It's an 88 Trans Am. You're gonna love it. It's got some special features in that. It has living artificial intelligence inside that can adapt and teach. No kidding. Yeah, they call it Kit. He's. He's alive. Essentially. The car's alive.

[Brett]

Aren't they still in a warranty on that bell?

[Brady]

Yeah. We can't cover the engine parts or the human element, but sure, if you want it 13 grand, just pop it right out of the gumball machine. Prior owner took great care of it, although they did get into a few pickles. And there's some bad guys that'll see this car and probably start shooting at it.

[Toledo]

Did they go through more kits than the Dukes of Hazzard?

[Brady]

He treated Kit like an angel. All Kit ever did was run on, like, salt flats. He was just going a thousand miles an hour on flat ground. I don't remember a kid ever jumping.

[Toledo]

There's a couple of jumps I remember not many.

[Brady]

Hunter had a lot because I always.

[Toledo]

Wanted to watch the. You know, the. The red light screaming when you see the jump. And the fenders.

[Brady]

They didn't jump Kit a lot because they'd have to rebuild kits specifically. Like, the Dukes of Hazzard had a thousand of those terrible. They jumped him, but it wasn't too much.

[Toledo]

I thought he.

[Brady]

Not like Dukes of Hazard jump walls. Oh, I'm sure they blew up some. Yeah, they blew up some of the. The foam walls that they made it seem like. Yeah, but Kit wasn't a. Oh, this is the new Knight Rider.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Same car. Advise against it.

[Toledo]

Why?

[Brady]

You don't even know what I'm gonna do. I rely on past performance to indicate future action.

[Brett]

That's a Mustang.

[Brady]

Oh, it's a. It's a Mustang. Prepare for impact. Get turbo boost. Not with a turn, my lady. See, that's just all fake.

[Brett]

That's fast and furious stuff.

[Toledo]

There's.

[Brady]

He turned. He. He made the card hop.

[Brett]

No disrespect to Val, but that was the OG Kid. Oh, come on.

[Brady]

The OG Kit was great. Yeah, I was. I watched a special on the old kit once. An old movie cars. And the one that broke down all the time, that was hilarious was the Batmobile. It was just a piece of garbage, but the. The Dukes of Hazzard just kept those. Those, what are the Challengers or whatever. Chargers. Yeah. All over the lot. Hundreds of them. They just blew them up weekly. Kit was different because you had to rebuild that front to have that light going all the time. So they tried not to wreck Kid a lot, and they did. Inevitably, they wrecked Kid a lot. The big one was the Smoky and abandoned series and Blues Brothers, where they just wrecked all the cars.

[Toledo]

Everything that has to be the most.

[Brady]

Blues Brothers, which is a constant cruiser car crash non stop blow them all up.

[Toledo]

Thousands of Ford Elton.

[Brett]

And that was before cgi. That was like they really things so.

[Brady]

Well.

[Brett]

Who was the original kid?

[Brady]

The guy from William Daniels.

[Brett]

I can never remember his name.

[Brady]

Yeah, William Daniels was.

[Brett]

He's a better. Come on, man.

[Brady]

He was a much better. My car when he did that thing, you just knew the car was kind of had a naggy voice like, you.

[Brett]

Know, it's like your old lady sitting in the. In the passenger seats. Like, really?

[Larry McFeely]

Here we go again.

[Brady]

My old lady. They should have made kid a woman. Are we really going to do this now? Oh, Christ. Fine. Turbo booster on, Mr. Big Shot. Give me a break here for a second, Kit. Oh, I'm always giving you a break. When do we ever go out? When are you gonna wash me, Kit?

[Brett]

Where do you want to go?

[Toledo]

I don't know.

[Brett]

Where do you want to go?

[Brady]

I'm hungry. I could eat something, but. All right. Want sushi? No. Like Italian food? No. Or what do you want? I don't know. Pick something. I'm gonna. I'm gonna drive you off a ledge. I'm gonna open the door, I'm gonna roll out, and you're going into the ocean. Just because I can't figure out what I want to eat, you're not saying anything either. All right, Kit. Putting you in the garage for the night.

[Toledo]

Oh, it's my fault.

[Brett]

I knew I should. I knew I should have took the General Leader and I. God damn it.

[Brady]

And then at night you just hear the car horn. It's cold in here. Oh, Christ. Turn your heater on. It only works for you. Yeah, they should have made a Knight Rider of just an absolute miserable menstruating car. Are you leaking oil again? Oh, shut up.

[Brett]

Must be vacation time.

[Brady]

Must be time to take you on a trip. I saw there's a big little oil puddle in the garage. Is it? Oh, you know what? I can't help is what it is. So we're gonna go to Santa Barbara this week. Well, we were gonna, but now what? Now what do we do?

[Toledo]

My fenders are bloated.

[Brady]

Yeah, I don't want to go out tonight. I look fat. You're painted black. No one will notice. I just don't feel good about myself.

[Toledo]

It doesn't matter how I actually look.

[Brady]

Yeah, I'm putting her in the water. I watched a special last night in the middle of the Night. It was awesome. And I looked up the article, I looked up the people, see if I can find it. There's a guy, and it's working. I guess it's working. There's a dude who's basically letting people test drive his wife. And his therapist said, look, you don't appreciate her. And maybe if you watch somebody else appreciate your beautiful wife, you would. You'd start to recognize what you got. And it's basic. You think about this from a perspective that isn't sexual. That's pretty effective. Like, if you're on your last legs in a marriage or a relationship and you're, like, hanging on, and then you watch some other dude get to dig into that and your jealousy and whatever's inside you would kind of boil up over, and you have to see it. And you'd be like, no, I want that. Like, it would make you. Like, it would make you feel again instead of, you know, focusing on that stuff. So that's what he's doing. It's a therapy where guys just are like, look, I'm. I'm not feeling it for what will reignite this. And it's not date night or hoes and again or those awkward, strange evenings where you're, like, trying to get connected. And, like, some other guy comes in and he goes, let me. Let me show you what you're missing. And then you watch someone else with your wife. Yeah, you kind of cuck, but it's, like, angry. But it's angry cucking. A lot of times, cucks sit back and tug like they're in on it. Yeah, this is a guy, like, having his, you know, people always say, where's the spark? He's getting it right now. And I want that spark to give me that spark. And then you realize, like, oh, the desire is there. And. And you have. You have this inside you. You just had to wake it up. And it's working. And they're doing it in the UK like crazy. This one therapist is like, look, have your wife go out with someone else. She doesn't necessarily have to sleep with the guy, but when you see her with someone else, it's gonna make you say no. It gets. It's a primal instinct. It's the male primal instinct. Animal. That's mine. And you start to, you know, feel all those feelings again. And these get. These people are swearing by it now. Most people can't get.

[Toledo]

Is it mostly the guy that has to go through it, like, has to date another guy? And so it's basically the guy needs to straighten out and re. Spark.

[Brady]

Think about it. I mean, think about it from less than a. It's a weak position to come at it from. No man. Every guy says that, whether you even like your wife or not, if you hate your wife. But what if she started to bomb.

[Toledo]

The other way around, too?

[Brady]

I don't know. They just did it for dudes. I don't know how women think. But this for guys, if you think about that, you know, I don't like her. I don't want her around her, whatever. And then some guy comes in and he starts giving her. You're like, hold on a second. Like, it. Like your whole brain would swap around. You'd still be mad. And, you know, it's kind of an interesting thought. So this guy's like, I put aside all the social aspects of it, the. The jealousy side and all this other stuff, and realized that if it didn't bother me, that would have been bigger than the fact that it did. And when it did, I like it. I had to reassess all my feelings inside and recognize that I had focused only on the problems and never on the good. And it's a weird kind of like, all right, watch this. Here she is with someone else. How do you feel about that? And you know about it. It's not like, you know, the. You know, she's out, you know, lying and screwing around. That way you're just sitting there, you know about it. It's like, this is. This drives me crazy, or it's like, you know, this is over. She should go. And it was two guys in the thing were like, my wife was with someone else, and I was happy for her, and I didn't care. It brought up. No, it sparked nothing. And the one guy that was so done with his wife and hated her, like, just like, I don't want her around. I don't like coming home. Whatever. She went out with a guy on a date, and he got to see the whole thing. And then the guy kissed her at the end of the night, and her hands were all over his back. And the guy starts crying and goes, I can't. I cannot believe how much love is still inside me. And he goes, once I get rid of the anger. Because the anger is what you're taught. The anger is the thing you're supposed to feel. So that usually goes forefront. And the therapist was like, don't be angry. You knew about this. What are you feeling? And the dude. Their marriage was saved.

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[Brett]

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[Byron]

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[Brett]

Well, it sounds like M and P Guns is committed to providing the customers with the best possible service and selection.

[Byron]

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[Toledo]

Sickness and the woman knows going on.

[Brady]

The date she's like, you're allowed to go out. He's gonna know about it. And she doesn't have to do anything. There's a couple ladies who did some stuff, weren't interested in the guy. But when she had a nice time and felt good and you know, it was a nice date and it wasn't that the dude was just following him around, they were just keeping an eye on them cameras.

[Toledo]

It's kind of like the.

[Brady]

But you did get to watch him bone in the 1.

[Toledo]

Give this guy a little more affection, watch the other dude come around to you, you know, oh yeah, the game playing.

[Brady]

But she was not doing it to make him jealous. She was kind of testing like do I feel anything? And she's like it woke me up too. Like I've, I gotta try this. I would like to volunteer as dude who dates your wife and saves marriages. I think that's a. That dude had the best of it as I was watching him. Like the best situation in this deal is the dude that comes in, you know, like and tips his cap at the end of the day and Go enjoy your lives. And all he did was come in and bone your wife to save your marriage. It's beautiful.

[Brett]

This ain't gonna end good.

[Brady]

I don't think so either.

[Brett]

Get a bullet in the head.

[Brady]

Oh, sure, this therapy's great, but it's.

[Brett]

Like, what's gonna happen happen?

[Brady]

Telling you if Brett came to, me and Mathias are having some trouble and I just don't like her anymore. Whenever I go home, I. I just. I want her out. She's. We don't talk and everything else. I'm like, let me help you with something here real quick, buddy. And then I go over and I give Miss New Booty a run. And you watch it like, arg. Because you care. If you didn't care, there wouldn't be any anger. Anger and love and anger and hate and caring are a thin line that separate each other. Very thin. And if you don't care, then you know. But if you're angry or if you're jealous, you care. And that's what these guys were finding out. It's like, I still care. I still want this to work. I don't know the long term ramifications, but I really enjoyed that there were dudes out there that took this gig. It's almost sinister in a way to have some guys go, I need you to go out with her. And they hired one guy, Sparky.

[Toledo]

Guy just goes over. You want to get a little spark back? Yeah, let me bone your wife.

[Brady]

Your guy. And I'm going to do stuff. I'm gonna. I'm gonna lure your wife into the bedroom. You can pay me for this too. And the one guy did get paid. The guy's like, I don't even think my wife's sexual at all anymore. I don't think she cares. And this dude gave her a run, woke her up. And he was in there like, yeah, I wanna do that. I wanna do that with her. She's very sexy. I haven't looked at her that way in a long time. And it was like, oh, everything changed. And not many people could pull this off. Cause we're all kind of weak minded when it comes to that kind of stuff. Cause we've got puritanical views towards physical activity that, you know, you just can't. But the second you start sharing. And it kind of worked for the ladies too, because they're like, I didn't put out any effort. And then once I started to feel like, you know, wanted and this and other thing. And the one lady did kind of go off and blame My husband makes no. And this guy was trying. And it was nice to date again. It was new and it was a spark. So she was kind of like, I liked this better. It's almost like love connection. You go out with one or the other and they're like, I like this one better.

[Brett]

And even pigs though, I mean, as.

[Brady]

Far as one wasn't pretty, like she.

[Brett]

Gained a bunch of weight and that's the reason why he's kind of like stepping away. Or did they get that far into it?

[Brady]

I. That would have been my personal take. I looked at a couple of them and thought, well, I don't even want to watch her with someone else. I, I would turn this off on my porn up. But the one lady was attract, you know, just regular old lady.

[Toledo]

That's my Sal.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Toledo]

Nobody can.

[Brady]

That's essentially what it became. It's like, that's like, it's like using a man's grill. I don't use my grill a lot, but if Brady came over and fired it up, I'd be like, get the off my grill. What are you doing? It's a one man's grill. That's mine.

[Toledo]

That is a nice grill.

[Brady]

It is a nice. You know what I have to appreciate? I get a Washington, go out there and scrub the grill up a little bit. Get the grates cleaned. That's my grill. It was that mentality. I don't know if it works. It was just an interesting take on something. It was on some. Again, I watch a lot of BBC and actually it was on YouTube. So I was in this thing and it was just. I don't even know where it came from. It was off something, but it was basically, I forget the guy's name. It said, so they're opening up about taking part in an X rated experiment to try to help and help save their marriages. And one man has compared it to test driving a car. You let somebody else drive her and you really start to, you know, when you sell a car and you're like, you know what? I'm gonna get rid of this car. And then you watch somebody else driving. You're like, that thing leaves my driveway, I'm going to start crying. I'm keeping that car. It's that, it's. It's, you know, something. I'll get emails from people. Women aren't property. Look, whatever works. Why do you have to always make it bad? This is working for people.

[Toledo]

That's why guys go back and they, you know, speaking of collecting cars and like that, getting that same car I had my senior year.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Toledo]

You know, 30 years later, you try to get that car back, that 69 Camaro or whatever.

[Brady]

Yeah, I've never, like. I. I think jealousy is a humongous waste of feeling. I don't think it's an. It's not. It's not an emotion. It's like anger on something else. Well, you know, everybody gets envy. Everybody gets a little pop of it. But if you. Yeah, if you. If you're. If something is threatened to be taken away from you, you know, it's squatters rights. And if you see that she's.

[Toledo]

That's where it builds and where it comes from, the jealousy is, you know, that something had been taken away.

[Brady]

A lot of times I think jealousy is more.

[Toledo]

It's the natural part of it. But if you've had it happen a couple of times, then, you know, like when you meet someone that's really jealous.

[Brady]

No, they're horrible.

[Toledo]

It's coming from.

[Brady]

Jealousy is more insecurity that something is going. You're going to find something better than created that insecurity. You're gonna like something more than me. And that's jealousy. To me. Jealousy is a thing that says, well.

[Toledo]

There'S a fine that, you know, it's kind of like envy or jealous.

[Brady]

Totally different. Yeah, but jealousy to me is me saying, I want you to be happy, but if you start seeing happiness a little too much somewhere outside of me, I'm going to be mad. And it's like, I can provide you a level of 7 out of 10 happiness, and if you find 9, I'm going to be pissed off because I really want you to be happy. I want to be happy with me. And then when I see that you are capable of happiness without me, I get mad. That's. That's jealousy. Jealousy is an insecurity. I can't provide you something, so they're mad at you instead of being better at themselves. And they look around going, well, I can't. And they're jealous before. That's when a real bad person exists, is the. You know, if I look at Brett and I'm like, I know he could have fun somewhere else. So I get mad at you before you're even having fun. Like, yo, don't you even dare try. You can't go, why are you going to lunch with Brady and John? Like, I just wanted to go to lunch. I know why you're going. Because you're like, oh, mate. It's like, oh, my God. Can you imagine? It says, I guarantee if you're going to try to have sex with me and my husband or with me? My husband wouldn't stop you. He's been listening to the radio for years and absolutely loves the show. Jesus. Oh, there you go.

[Toledo]

You're a kid, Mark.

[Brady]

Hey, Brett, hold on to this one. Watch someone else bang my old lady. I'd be like, well, why is she not wearing sweatpants? Why is her hair not in a bun wearing nerd glasses? And why isn't she complaining about not wanting to try new things and giving 30 second blowjobs to this guy? See, Robert, you should try this and see your wife. You're looking at her in all of her bad times. You know, you're looking at her in the sweatpants in the bun. You never see her when she's pretty. You don't notice anymore because you're so locked in on that now. If you ever saw somebody. Found that, right? Yeah, but that's because you focus on it. Yeah, that old study that. I just watched this yesterday, too. That old study, when somebody says, all right, close your eyes. You're in a brown room. The whole room's brown. You saw that as before you closed your eyes. Almost everything in here is kind of brown. There's some books, there's some other stuff, but mostly it's, Brent, open your eyes and find. Tell me what you saw. That was red. And you can't. And then they're like, all right, close your eyes. All right, there is one red thing in here. What is it? And you'll know, because it's a power suggestion to, like, tell you. Like, here's the thing. You're focused on. You're focused on. You're focused on. You never notice the other stuff. So when you're focused mentally on all she does wear sweatpants. Walk around those nerd glasses, that dumb bun on, you're only going to see that. Oh, there she is again. Look at that. Exactly as I expected. But when she walks by on her way to work or wherever she's going, and she probably looks okay, you're just like, yeah, she's got something to do. The only reason she's. You're focused so heavily on the bun and the sweatpants. Like, well, if she didn't have to go there, she'd be in that stupid pair of sweatpants. Your perception's different because you're saying, oh, she has to do this. You're not doing that for me because your mind is now set on being angry at her and then saying, she's not trying or she didn't give an effort anymore. That's you. It's weird. So you got to let her host. And this lady, this Rhiannon lady. Whose husband was that? Who that was? Let me look again, make sure I got this right. Yeah, her name's Rihanna, which is odd because I have a second email from someone named Rhiannon and they spell it different, but this Rhiannon, her husband. I'm just going to go ahead because it's on there. Salvanetchi Salvanecki. Rhiannon Salvanecki and her husband. If you'd like to. To go out on a date with me, I'll pay for it. Brady will pay for it. Whoa.

[Brett]

Have fun of eh, Right.

[Brady]

I didn't say. I didn't say pig.

[Toledo]

Enjoy your 85 cent Blizzard.

[Brady]

You didn't say American money would pay for it. I just said Brady would find a way to. I got a generator and a box of sauce from 2012. That's interesting. I don't want to have sex with you and your husband though. That's strange. No, thank you. But it was a weird little like, assignment. And if you can get past all the social, you know, hurdles and all the crap, it's kind of an interesting way to look at things and open your eyes to the idea of like, you know what? The value I no longer see is on me. I've looked past this person and they've looked past me and we've let that separate for so long. And now that I see that she is a human being with capabilities and desires and all that other stuff, probably start seeing her differently.

[Brett]

Hey Byron, I heard you have something new to announce from MMP Guns, Brett.

[Byron]

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[Brett]

Well, can you do this to my gun?

[Byron]

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[Brett]

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[Brady]

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[Brett]

Victor just said, hey, Brett, did I just hear John say he watches a lot of BBC?

[Brady]

Well, they're not. I'm not going to lie. I do occasionally dabble in the BBC, but not for that. Nothing.

[Toledo]

One and two.

[Brady]

Look, there's. Yeah, I'll watch all four of them. The. I don't mind. Every once in a while, one of those dudes splitting some tiny white lady in half like steel walking doesn't bother me. I think that's a fantastic. My friend Jordan Tennant emailed and said, am I weird for wanting to watch, like, the biggest ones I can see just wrecking little white girls? I'm like, no, that's why they built that whole channel. That's why we all know about it. But no, I'm watching the British Broadcasting Company. And oddly enough, they were talking about that kind of stuff. Yeah. And there was one dude that was. His insecurity was his. His penis. He was. He was upset that she was with someone else because he was worried. The only thing he worried about is how big that guy was. It had nothing to do with emotion or anything else. And it was like, do you hear yourself? Do you hear where you stand? You've got a real problem with this. So you're blaming her. And you inside, you're internally saying it's because my pee pee is so small. That's why she doesn't want me. It's your internal problem. She's with you for a reason. She evidently didn't care that you have a child's penis. He was upset about it. It's cool. It was an interesting thing. Would I do it? No. That's crazy talk. But it's interesting. Other people do it. Make TV shows. You know, I like Survivor. I'm not gonna go out there. I had a great idea for a TV show, but you all have to promise not to steal it. I'll tell it to you. I watch all those air disaster shows. I love watching air disasters. And especially, like, when they're survivors because their stories are awesome. There was one that kind of bellied up in the side of a hill. Half the plane broke. A bunch of people just tumbled out, and they're just Standing on the side of this hill and it is a sheer cliff one way.

[Toledo]

They tumbled out and survived.

[Brady]

Yeah, they were okay.

[Toledo]

Yeah.

[Brady]

I don't know how it happened, but they're part of the plane splattered them on the side of this hill. Little kind of was a, you know, 45 degree angle plane kind of landed. They get out the rest of the planes all over the place. Everybody's dead. Part of the plane fell down and they're just standing on the side of this thing. You got to climb up, you got to go over, you got to figure out a way down. And figuring out a way down ain't gonna. That ain't gonna be easy. And I started thinking how great. Because America loves the. You know, what is that one where you do the travel one where you're flying all over the world and you got an adventure in each city and they're the ultimate something or other. I forget what it was. And then. And then you got Survivor, obviously. Naked and afraid and all these things where you get plastered out in the middle of nowhere. We crash a plane, you don't even know where you are. They unblindfold you. They put up a fake plane crash and they knock it on the side of the mountain and you got to find your way home.

[Toledo]

The basically the new I survived or the naked and afraid kind of.

[Brady]

Yeah. Remote everything. You don't know. You don't know where you are on the planet. You don't know where you are and you've got to go home. That's it. You got to. You got to survive. And you know, and the. And the first, first person that gets home gets $10 million. So it's also a game.

[Brett]

This is sponsored by Amelia Earhart Airlines.

[Brady]

Amelia Earhart Air. This is a tribute to female aviation. Amelia throws the bird right into the earth. You don't know where. And. And then that's the other thing you gotta find your way to like, oh my God, I know where I am. And then, you know, you'll. And then you find a spot that'll give you a few bucks to get you to the next spot.

[Toledo]

Would you have clues or anything?

[Brady]

Yeah, no, no, no. Like, well, the clues are visual. So the Amazing Race type thing, it's like, oh my God, I see what's going on. And then you'll like, you'll find little breadcrumbs that lead you to a thing that gives you like a $50. So you can go get something in this. In a small town and you know, or you tap out where you Are or you quit. I can't do it. And then they'll take you out. It's a good idea because we all are fascinated too with like plane crashes, how to get rescued, you know, things like that. Who'd be the first one to find a way in the plane crash, you can't leave the site. But there's stuff in here that makes it so you can, you know, through teamwork you can dial up and send a signal somehow and get rescued. Be pretty neat. And you just take a bunch of waiters and disc jockeys, wedding DJs and stuff, dumb people.

[Toledo]

And you throw on qualified.

[Brady]

No engineers and no like electricians or whatever idiots.

[Brett]

You're not sending the professor with you?

[Brady]

No. You get no professor.

[Toledo]

You'll have a lot of tap outs.

[Brady]

Yeah. Find your way home. Cannibalism is on the table, by the way. We'll put a corpse out there.

[Toledo]

A great movie.

[Brady]

That would be amazing if it were real especially. But it is. I just thought it would be fantastic because everybody like air disaster, squid game survive, sort of. Yeah, there's all that stuff. That's what I'm saying. All the thing everybody loves is right there. Only thing you can't do is commit a crime against another contestant that's immediate out. Like if they find out that you, you know, harmed them or physically assaulted them or something like that, you're out. So there's a tribunal at the end. You're like, you committed this crime, you're going to be accused of that. So then second place can still win if they get. But you got to find your way home. And it's also based on that story down in Mexico. That couple that moved down there, one lady from Baltimore, this other dude was from Mexico and they moved together and the cartel thought they had a ton of money. So they kidnapped that guy for like 270 days and stuffed him in a 6 foot by 3 foot box. And it was sandpaper on the end.

[Toledo]

The one down in Mexico, Manza or.

[Brady]

I don't know where it is. San Miguel could have been close.

[Toledo]

Was he the Houston newspaper guy?

[Brady]

No, I don't think so. No, this dude was maybe, I don't know, he was in a box for 270 days and then when he. He had to, they just let him go like you're on your own. He didn't know where he was and he wandered around and then he just found his old house and he leaned on the window and his wife was inside thinking he was long gone or still kidnapped. And it was 88 pounds. He had dwindled down to nothing. She didn't recognize him at all and thought some weird alien was outside. I'm like, now imagine that. That got him $10 million. That would have been a great TV show. To follow this guy's plight.

[Brett]

Now, he wouldn't have went back for $10 million.

[Brady]

Well, he'd have walked. He'd have walked over to the bank.

[Toledo]

And that same one, they actually went over. They sent his cousin, went over there with money.

[Brady]

Oh, yeah, they had lost some money. Well, no.

[Toledo]

A couple of times on the bus.

[Brady]

They had the one that they dropped off in the center of the town. And they like, this is all we've got. The FBI was in on it. And everything else is all we've got. We don't have any more money. You want $8 million? We got, like, two. This is it. We borrowed two more. Here's four. And they wiped. They walked with it and then didn't release them.

[Toledo]

Gone.

[Brady]

And they're like, well, where's the rest? And like, we just told you, that's it. Where is he? And then they. Just. Three weeks later, they just dumped him out of the thing. It's a great. Now, how that's not a movie is beyond me too. The book and stuff. But that would have been a great show. Kidnapped and. But they're gonna let you go, but you don't know where you are. And you can base it off of, like, language or whatever or like, you know, and put them in a. Put them in a country that has no, like, real. You know. You know, like the pyramids and stuff. Put them somewhere where you're looking around going, the hell am I? Nice churches and stuff.

[Toledo]

And you don't know where you are at 24 7. White noise in that?

[Brady]

Yeah. Well, no. They played Mexican music the entire time.

[Toledo]

Was it.

[Brady]

I thought it was constant. And they fed him raw chicken and water.

[Brett]

All right. Kill me now.

[Brady]

Yeah, exactly, he said.

[Toledo]

And then he.

[Brady]

Loud tejano music for 24 hours. It lights all the time. They put a light in his little coffin. Always on. Crazy. That's a good TV show, though. That guy should be an executive producer or something. And then he got home and unfortunately, you know, he had to watch his wife bone some other guy to. It's terrible. It's all full circle. I still love her, but I'm only 80 pounds. I gotta. That would be the worst. Come home and she's looking at you like, oh, I thought you were dead. So this is Nigel. I met him a Couple weeks ago.

[Brett]

It's Tom Hanks. And telling Hunt it is.

[Brady]

I mean. Oh, that horrible woman.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Brady]

I mean, she did go five years. They did have a funeral and stuff that people. Her friends had. You got to move on. When he showed up again, that's rightfully his. He gets a second run at that. She stayed with the other guy.

[Brett]

I had to take him. Hop Rod. He met at the end, going down in Texas. Truck.

[Brady]

Yeah. Just more problems. And then, you know, the bad thing. The bad thing about Castaway, him going with the Texas lady at the end is that he's.

[Brett]

He.

[Brady]

She doesn't know all that. He went through the baggage. Yeah. So then she's gonna nag him, like, early on. He's like, bitch, you mother. You know what I did? At least Helen Hunt's character went like, you gotta give him a break. He was trapped on that island for five years. And, you know, I remember him before, and I've seen the differences now. His little idiosyncrasy. She's from, like, you're always so weird about the light, and you sleep on the floor. What's wrong with you? It's like, oh, for Christ's sake. I gotta explain this to you again?

[Brett]

Nah, I'm taking a run on it.

[Brady]

I still liked her better than Helen Hunt's. Got downsy eyes. Come back. And that would be. The fun part is like, you've been trapped on an island. You've been dreaming about your. You know, your wife the whole five years. If that was the beauty of Castaway is that he kept that little picture of her. It's all he could think about. And then he goes back and he's like, jesus, I didn't realize. Her downsy eyes. Like, he comes back, he's like, ugh. Seeing you again.

[Brett]

Was that volleyball?

[Brady]

My new perspective. I'm. Yeah, I'm gonna go bone avoidance.

[Brett]

Bring Wilson back.

[Brady]

I'm gonna go put a hole through Wilson because I didn't realize how downsy you were. I gotta go. Thanks for taking her off my hands there. Big love gym. Sex in the City. Anyway, Val Kilmer's gone, the doors still suck, and maybe you should watch your wife bang away. That's all.

[Brett]

Scott Haynes made a good point, though. He was great in Heat, except he was overshadowed by De Niro and Pacino.

[Brady]

That movie, to me, is 30 minutes too long, but brilliant.

[Brett]

I edited a little bit more.

[Brady]

Yeah, it's so good outside of the, like, the times when you're kind of. It's dragging, but, man, all three of them in that movie. Incredible Heat's the one to watch. I think if you were to go Val Kilmer's best work. You got to give heat. That's the that's the best he was. Yeah, I like Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I never seen that one. And Tombstone. I don't ever want to see the Doors again ever. Because it music's all through it and.

[Toledo]

I mean I want to watch Top Secret again.

[Brady]

Top Secret. That's better.

[Toledo]

I mean we've seen it recently. But that last roll on Top Gun, Maverick. Yeah, yeah. Pretty powerful.

[Brady]

Well, it was a nice tribute. Remember Barry's nice tip of the cap going. Surprised you're still alive. Glad you we can poke you in here real quick. He wasn't looking good. Let's get a wake up song. Five eight five nine, eight hundred. No doors. None. We'll scream it together. It's 98 Kup Wake Up. Arizona's most powerful, powerful rock radio station.

[G]

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