06-04-25 - DUI Stories And DUI Bikes Giveaway Ideas Coming In - John's EList Idea To Convert Abandoned Malls Into Homeless Shelters And Rehabilitation Centers Is A Bit Edgy - BO

Summary

Summary of "DUI Stories And DUI Bikes Giveaway Ideas Coming In - John's EList Idea To Convert Abandoned Malls Into Homeless Shelters And Rehabilitation Centers Is A Bit Edgy"

Podcast: Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona
Host: John Holmberg
Release Date: June 4, 2025

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Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness aired on June 4, 2025, host John Holmberg engages in a candid and often controversial discussion with his co-hosts Brett, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo. The primary focus revolves around DUI (Driving Under the Influence) stories, innovative ideas for DUI bike giveaways, and Holmberg's provocative proposal to address Arizona's growing homelessness crisis by repurposing abandoned malls into shelters and rehabilitation centers with stringent measures.

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DUI Stories and Personal Anecdotes

The episode opens with the hosts sharing personal experiences and listener anecdotes related to DUIs. Brett humorously recounts avoiding DUIs by committing to being a designated driver, while others reflect on past incidents involving impaired driving.

Notable Quote:

• Brett: "I didn't get one though. Luckily give you DUI because your lesson was." (12:19)

Introduction of DUI Bike Giveaway Program

The conversation shifts to an innovative yet edgy idea proposed by John Holmberg: a DUI bike giveaway program. The concept involves providing bicycles to individuals who have committed DUIs, promoting an alternative to impaired driving. The hosts debate the practicality and potential impact of such a program.

Notable Quote:

• John Holmberg: "We should put it on Facebook. But blur, blur, blur the poor bastard's face. He was riding a girl's 20 inch dirt bike... We came up with this idea... a giveaway." (04:24)

Proposition to Address Homelessness: The "E List" Concept

Holmberg introduces his most controversial proposal: converting abandoned malls, like Fiesta Mall and Superstition Springs, into homeless shelters and rehabilitation centers. His idea includes an "E list" system where individuals remain in the shelter for up to 60 days. If they fail to improve or leave within this period, they are placed on the "E list," symbolizing potential future actions akin to euthanization.

Notable Quotes:

• John Holmberg: "After looking at that guy yesterday... we should put it on Facebook... It's a giveaway." (04:24)
• John Holmberg: "If you're in there for more than 60 days, you get on the E list, right? So you can be euthanized after 90 days in the thing, just like the dog pound." (16:17)
• John Holmberg: "This is the Holmberg plan for the homeless and the E list is gold." (29:46)

Debate and Discussion on the Feasibility and Ethics

The hosts engage in a heated debate over the ethics and feasibility of the "E list" proposal. While Holmberg presents it as a solution to overcrowded shelters and persistent homelessness, his co-hosts express discomfort and moral concerns.

Notable Exchanges:

• Brett: "I'm all for it." (17:05)
• Dick Toledo: "A happy place to drop your unloved ones off. Sounds like a new live abortion program without the abortion." (27:17)
• Bret Vesely: "You don't make food out of." (27:37)

Alternative Solutions and Counterarguments

Several hosts propose alternative approaches to addressing homelessness, emphasizing rehabilitation, employment opportunities, and community support rather than punitive measures. They discuss the high recidivism rates in current programs and the need for more effective solutions.

Notable Quote:

• Dick Toledo: "Someone's gotta be the, you know, the pariah." (29:09)

Conclusion and Call to Action

The episode concludes with a mixture of resignation and determination among the hosts. While the "E list" idea remains divisive, there's a consensus on the urgency to find innovative solutions to homelessness. Holmberg emphasizes the importance of community involvement and creativity in tackling social issues.

Notable Quote:

• John Holmberg: "They keep saying we got to solve this problem... Then nothing happens. Nobody's actually doing anything." (26:28)

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Key Takeaways

• DUI Prevention: The hosts highlight the severity of DUI incidents and explore unconventional methods like bike giveaways to mitigate impaired driving.
• Controversial Solutions to Homelessness: John Holmberg proposes an extreme measure to manage homelessness by converting malls into shelters with strict timelines enforced through the "E list."
• Ethical Debate: The discussion brings forth significant ethical concerns regarding the proposed solutions, with hosts expressing varying degrees of support and opposition.
• Need for Effective Programs: There's an evident need for more effective and humane programs to address homelessness and substance abuse, moving beyond punitive measures.

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness delves into challenging and sensitive topics, offering listeners a blend of humor, personal stories, and provocative ideas. While some proposals may spark controversy, they underscore the pressing need for innovative approaches to societal issues like DUIs and homelessness. The hosts' candid discussions encourage listeners to think critically about existing problems and the solutions being proposed.

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Note: The views and ideas expressed in this summary reflect those presented by the podcast hosts and do not represent an endorsement or condemnation by the summarizer.

Transcript

[Brett]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Unknown]

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[Brett]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Brett]

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[Unknown]

All right.

All the other morning shows do it. Why do we have to stay extra? Because. Because we. Because we do. Well. We. We're better that way.

[Brett]

We care first on and we care about.

[Unknown]

I got an email that said about the banana peel being littering. Of course Brett doesn't think that's littering. That was the only way to make Donkey Kong spin out in his world. That's true. As Luigi and Mario used to chuck banana peels out onto the road. It's more of a tool and makes the giant ape spin around. You need a banana peel in the car in case you're getting chased by, you know, Kong. You never know. You never know. You're crazy out there anyway. That is very true. Brett's people reliance for years, if you're a studier of the Italians through Mario and Luigi, as am I. The only ones I know. I know Columbus, I know Mario, I know Luigi, and I know the cast of the Godfather.

[Brett]

Outside of that, that's Sopranos.

[Unknown]

That's true Sopranos. It's pretty great. And I'm actually shocked at our little. The little infantile idea we had here. Getting legs on my emails, which is kind of scary, is that I had a DUI and I would have killed for a bike. When I used to ride my bike over to my. My old boxing trainer, Pete Chavez, used to be on 7th Avenue in Missouri. It was about a six mile, maybe a little more ride for me. Maybe a little more. And I used to ride down Bethany home to seventh. And I'm not kidding, I said this before, the second I would pass Central Avenue into the avenues, I would get screamed at. What'd you blow? Dui. I'm like, I'm just on a bike. I'm a man on a bicycle enjoying his day. I was like, no, you're not. Not on the west side. Central Phoenix, the Biltmore people ride their bikes for recreation. And no one ever screams DUI at you at like, you know, when you're going through the mall parking lot, you get over there, you get close to 3rd Avenue, and you are. You blew it to 0.3. There's no question in anyone's mind. There's no reason to ride a bicycle anywhere over there. And then I started to think, I'm a target. Something's going on here. So we had the idea, you know, after looking at that guy yesterday. And I sent you guys the picture. We should put it on Facebook. But blur, blur, blur the poor bastard's face. He was riding a girl's 20 inch dirt bike, which means it wasn't even like name brand. I don't even know. Did Diamondback and Redline and. Not that I know, make girls bikes.

[Brett]

Yeah, those are all like Huffy's.

[Unknown]

Yeah, Schwins, they get the. The Sears Roebuck bike. This poor guy, whatever his daughter outgrew he was riding. So we came up with this idea and we haven't talked to Josh about it, but he's gonna do it at action ride Shop. Guys, like, I'd kill For a bike?

A rental.

No, no, no, no, no. It's a giveaway. Josh doesn't want it back. For crying out loud.

Or other bros out or.

Yeah, if you want. Hey, I want to donate it back, but it's. Yeah, you can't just keep donating it. Like use it for three most. What's a DUI run? Like how long without a license?

[Brett]

It's a year, isn't it?

[Unknown]

Depends.

[Brett]

Well, I think you get. I think you get. It's a certain amount of time, then you got to get the blower in your car and then you gotta.

[Unknown]

That's true. You know, but when you go dirt bike, you're on your second one.

[Brett]

Oh, second or third.

[Unknown]

What's. What is it? You had a license the whole time, right?

[Toledo]

No, I lost my license for 30 days.

[Unknown]

30 days, okay.

[Toledo]

That was why the late Tom Belcher had to bring me in from.

[Unknown]

He died.

[Toledo]

He died.

[Unknown]

I didn't know that afford him driving you to work.

[Toledo]

No, he died after that was over.

[Unknown]

For me to die. I didn't care about your real answer. It was just too funny. I didn't know Belcher croaked. Yeah, well, that's sad. I guess I probably didn't forgot.

[Toledo]

I think he had a. I think he had a hard problem.

[Unknown]

He was a big dude.

[Toledo]

Yeah, Yeah, I think he had a hard problem.

[Unknown]

But he was your ride for a.

[Toledo]

Month and he offered it up after you threw it out there on the.

[Unknown]

Air that you couldn't drive anymore. I don't remember any of that.

[Toledo]

We need to get Toledo into the radio station in the morning.

[Unknown]

I did.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Well, most people should have Belcher textured and said.

[Toledo]

Said, I got to be in at this time. Like, all right.

[Unknown]

And every morning. Belcher. Hi, Richard. Hey, thanks for the ride. And you guys. 30 date it.

[Toledo]

Yep.

[Unknown]

And then he hung himself. Like, I never want to do anything like this again. That's it. That's it. I've seen what the worst thing humanity is to has to offer. Goodbye, cruel world.

[Toledo]

Much like his wife. I'm kicking him to the turn.

[Unknown]

You're out. So it's 30 days. So you have to have probably me.

[Toledo]

And I got out. Mine was 16 years ago. So punishments now are a lot tougher. Like the fines are tougher.

[Unknown]

One to 12 months.

[Toledo]

And I didn't. I didn't have to have an interlock.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Toledo]

So I got. I got 18 or more.

[Unknown]

Anything that makes it. So your license goes away. And then we'll get the donations over at action rideshow and today Just take your, your kids bike that your child has outgrown, donate it to the cause and then when Josh is done with it, he can give it over to one of those real charities that does work for, you know, refurbishing bikes for kids.

[Toledo]

There's a couple of those in town.

[Unknown]

We double down on this thing. We help out some bros who died up a little bit dummies. And as I say, I don't believe, but this is a great sentence if you're a believer. But for the grace of God go I. There's been plenty of times I probably should have been on Toledo's road. I've done some dumb driving in the past, I'm not going to lie. And I know there's a lot of you out there. Who. Have you got one too? No, you didn't. Were drunk and smashed into something.

[Brett]

Yeah, I didn't get one though.

[Unknown]

Luckily give you DUI because your lesson was.

[Brett]

Yeah, cuz I. Yeah, I was in the. I was in ICU for four days, so.

[Unknown]

Yeah, but you still got a license. Like you could have, you could have driven home from the hospital. Absolutely. That's not right. You know what? You need to ride your bike to work for a month just to make good for all the guys. The one.

[Brett]

The one thing we got to figure out is how are we going to get these guys from the west side to Josh and.

[Unknown]

And you know, you know what? They should have thought of that before.

[Brett]

I agree.

[Unknown]

That gets over there. The light rail.

Yeah.

They're going to hook it up on the light rail anyway eventually.

That's right. You got to get used to your light rail trail and then put it on the front of it.

Yep.

I like this. I don't know how serious these people are, but I just want to really, all I want to do is just load up action ride, shop with a bunch of dirty old kids bikes and then wait for the stragglers of society to come wandering. But you'd be surprised. Everybody thinks DUI guy on a dirt bike is, you know, some loser. There's a lot of DUIs out there.

You have to do the bike of shame.

People are emailing in their 0.3 blows.

[Toledo]

And like man, so many that are.

[Unknown]

Over point we're on the road with these people.

[Toledo]

That's not.

[Unknown]

I mean.

[Toledo]

And also a lot of point two. So I mean when they do it.

[Unknown]

They, they're doing it. It doesn't take much to get there. I remember when I was in the band days, years and years and years ago, driving that Jeep from the Mason jar all the way back to Mesa, full of drums. And I should not have been doing that.

Last Friday at that fish fry with Ronnie's relatives and stuff, I drove one of the old ladies home. Designated driver.

Oh, no. All right.

She lived right in the neighborhood.

Is that a euphemism for driving?

I had Ronnie and Kirby follow me.

Oh, got her car home.

Yeah, because she would have had a tough time getting in the next morning.

And why. How old was she?

85. Shouldn't be driving.

Shouldn't be driving anyway.

Yeah, 85 and Lesaber and mint condition.

And the thing is, she'd survive that wreck driving that giant semi. Around what year? The big ones or the. No, when they turned them into parking?

Probably a 90s 2012.

Oh, geez. I didn't even know they still made lesabers. Did they bring them back or something?

Maybe it's a lucerne.

Maybe the LeSabre Cern.

The. Is it the Buick? I think.

[Toledo]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Toledo]

I thought it was butter.

[Unknown]

In a car, I thought it was butter.

Yeah, no, I think it's a dairy.

Product, but either way, that old lady shouldn't have been driving. See? Your party sounds fun.

It was you.

A 15 year old and an 85 year old lady.

Looped. I'm like, together.

You.

You and Kirby head home. I'll be all right.

Was she looped or was she suffering from some sort of.

No, she was.

Disorder.

She had been there.

There's a Lucerne. Brady's, right? They make buttercars. She had a Buick Lucerne. Sweet ride. What was she looting? Wine.

Yeah, white wine.

Nice.

Former competitive ballroom dancer years ago. Yep.

You got to know her well.

That was she. You know, you stood up and told three things about yourself during the table.

AA meeting with a kid you're in.

[Toledo]

An intervention, I think.

[Unknown]

What was the other game you played?

One lady stood up Jared Garcia, held my 7 month old baby and he had dirty nails. I'll never forget it.

The Grateful Dead old lady.

She worked for the dead for years. I'm like, oh, guy, work with this.

Sounds quite a bit like what a judge would force you to go to after a dui sitting around like this. Jeez. No, you went. You said it already. We heard you. And then you realized.

I had a great time.

That was a great moment right there when you said what you really felt and then realized Ronnie might be listening. You don't want her to spit in your food, so you tried to clear it up.

No, I made us all go.

I'm sure of It. Ronnie's fat. How come Ronnie's family gathering had to. Everybody had to get up and get to know each other because some of.

The people have never met each other.

That wasn't much of a family guy.

[Brett]

Sounds terrible.

[Unknown]

Oh, it does.

Well, it was a mix of family and three or four outsiders.

Wow. Just let the outsider.

I never met him. I. I only knew like two.

What were your three facts? You should have. You should always lead with the one.

I stuffed dog hair in a girl once.

I didn't do that one.

That's true.

[Brett]

Now you're an ass clown.

[Unknown]

She blew up like Farouka or whatever.

The.

No Violet Beauregard from a Willy Wonk. Just poof, poof, poof. Labius for miles look like 80 days around the world. Questions?

What did he say? I believe he blew up a woman's.

Vagina with dog hair.

[Toledo]

John, your bike program is gonna get some legs. Because right now the mandatory sentence is one year suspended license and one year interlock.

[Unknown]

This guy says, my uncle has gotten over 30 DUIs in his life. He has a valid license in Ohio. Every single one of those what, Halloween in a different county? They don't share records between offices.

[Toledo]

Wow.

[Unknown]

Let that soak in. Another reason not to live in Ohio. My Highest drunk blow. 5 foot 6, 120 pounds. 0.56. He works for an insurance company.

[John Holmberg]

Wow.

[Unknown]

5, 6, 1. Yeah, that's dead. You're almost dead either way. The DUI. DUI guy. Bike giveaway. You know, you never see a chick riding a bicycle to work.

[Brett]

Because if she's good looking, she's got a ride.

[Unknown]

Don't matter.

[Brett]

Yeah, she's always DUI guy.

[Unknown]

DUI guy is the only one you ever see. You never see a girl like just on a dirt bike she stole from her kid going to work. It doesn't happen, John.

[Toledo]

I tell my friends all the time, the Uber Lyft even tipping him a 20 is worth it. Not to get the DUI.

[Unknown]

Oh, completely. And leaving like, my big beef has always been, I don't want to leave my car here.

[Toledo]

Right.

[Unknown]

So I usually temper my drinking. When I go and I have my car, I'm like, I'll have a couple. Like, I'm not going to. I don't get.

[Toledo]

Do you remember that service that came to the old building for a little bit?

[Unknown]

The guy would come, oh, with a bike and with.

[Toledo]

He'd have a little moped that would fold up and put in the back of your trunk. And then he moped back.

[Unknown]

Unfortunately, he would drive your Car to your house.

He was run over by a drunk driver on that little tiny bike. No one could see it was a bike. Like a. Like a clown bike.

[Toledo]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Crazy. Anyway, DUI bikes for DUI guys. Drop them off today at Action Ride Shop. Josh will have no idea what's going on. Homburg should have just put this here. I don't want this.

I'm done with this.

I'm done with it. I get my license back tomorrow. So you Josh? Well, what did I do? Yeah, it's a good idea. Or we just use it like we do the birds. Just DUI bikes laying all over the city.

[Toledo]

Yep.

[Unknown]

Just, you know, or this guy says, how about an Easter keg hunt? Hide bikes all over the place and DUI offenders can come by. I've already found three white ones. No, no, no. Don't take that. Where do we put those to use? Those spray painted white ones? After a while, everybody's over what happened, right? We can put the bike back to use with a DUI guy. You get a white bike. That's how. That's how we can ID you. You get a. You get a memorialized bicycle. And that's how we know you're a DUI guy. Morning sickness medicate. Kupd.

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Holmberg's morning sickness. Hey, I also have this thing. Tell me what you think of it. Oh, this is. I'm off the medicine, so everything's functioning again. So last night I'm watching and the news says we got a huge homeless problem.

We got like 870%.

Like we're going crazy. And they're trying to figure out. Hear me out before you judge. I know you're gonna make some noise. This is a good idea. It starts off a little shaky. Give me a minute. So they're trying to, like, refurbish old mall like Fiesta mall and superstition springs. Like, maybe you can put them in there, access to food and stuff like that. I'm cool with that. But if you're in there for more than 60 days, you get on the E list, right? So you can be euthanized after 90 days in the thing, just like the dog pound. Nobody comes and claims you. You're out. So here's my. And I know that sounds drastic, but let's. Like the E list is out there and there are.

Who claims you, though, right?

So here's the thing.

[Brett]

I'm all for it.

[Unknown]

I know you. I know you are culling the herd. Brett and I are on the same page. So all these people going. And so the ones that, like, realize they're on the E list will show ambition and get the hell out of there. Otherwise we put them up on a website and go, here's this week's E list. Like they do down at the shelter. And then, you know, county does it.

[Toledo]

And people run down again to Wednesday's adult.

[Unknown]

Yes. Well, no, not even that. That's like, no, because they don't E list the adoptees, but you don't adopt it. So these religious do gooders will lose their minds if there's an E list and then start taking them in and fostering.

They're the ones that take them in right now.

No, they don't. They're they say they do they. All they do is just give them some food and send them on their way. I'm talking about like, you can't have them on the streets. They're on the streets. They get wrangled by the dog catcher and we take them over to these malls and go, sorry. And that if you don't. Do you have a job? Like, no, I'm not working. Like, okay, we're gonna keep you here. You're gonna have a safe place to stay. You got 60 days to get it together. Otherwise you're on the E list. And then you got 30 days to get claimed. You're gonna be making. You're gonna be making phone calls. You're gonna be losing your mind. No heroin in the mall. So maybe it's like a state featured thing. We turn Dillard's into like a rehab center so you can spend the first 28 days in there. Right. You're not. This is a good idea, Richard.

[Toledo]

No, I'm just reading the text.

[Unknown]

The E list is a good idea. No one would ever get euthanized. And if they did. But no one would ever get euthanized because somebody, some church group is still.

[Toledo]

In the fine print.

[Unknown]

Right? Okay, but it's how we handle the problem with the animals. I'm not saying they're animals. I'm just saying if we want a real solution here, I've got one.

[Toledo]

I love it, John. Now tell me how we speed up those 60 days.

[Unknown]

No, no, the time is time.

[Brett]

Sorry, I didn't mean to text.

[Unknown]

Brad, don't use the text machine. You've got a microphone. We want to speed it up. And they don't get it in 60. They go on the list in 60. Then you got 30 days. So you got a recovery program in 28 days. You got 32 more days to figure it all out to make some phone calls, get claimed.

[Toledo]

So the mall becomes a mall of substance abuse and recovery and every other.

[Unknown]

The Dillard's there.

Sure.

The Dillard's is substance abuse. And then, you know, everybody's got a little place to hang out, bathrooms, keeps.

[Toledo]

Them off the Japan. They give you a little cubicle look.

[Unknown]

Because I don't know what the percentage. Two of the ones that are mentally ill. Yeah, I mean, it's like a percentage. So I don't know if that can be.

Somebody's gotta claim that days. Oh, you can't cure it. I'm not saying you're.

Because the facilities that they're supposed to be in are over you.

Same Thing at the county, they tell you when they've got. When they've got a trigger and the dog can't be around other dogs. And like, they'll tell you like, this one's pretty good, but it can't be around. You know, it's got some stuff going on. And then some church group comes and claims it.

[Brett]

Metro center is wide open.

[Unknown]

I mean, well, they're putting a new place up there. It doesn't matter.

[Brett]

It's on the. It's on the west side.

[Unknown]

It's.

[Brett]

They already got built in clientele right there.

[Unknown]

It's not a far hall.

[Brett]

Right off the 17. Yeah.

[Unknown]

Conveniently located.

This is a good idea.

[Brett]

Plenty of room for bike racks for DUI guys.

[Unknown]

And the problem's going to be when we start euthanizing a few of them. That's like, oh, Jesus. They mean that.

[Toledo]

I for one, cannot wait till Fridays when I hear the people.

[Unknown]

Pacifico pick of the mall.

This is Bruce. He's a good guy. He ran into some hard times.

[Toledo]

A little time, let me tell you.

[Unknown]

Shut up, Bruce. Let me do the talking. Bruce has some triggers. Probably an only dog. I mean an only guy at your house. Doesn't need to be around other people. Doesn't like kids much. Doesn't like anything and thinks he's covered. Leash.

He's good with other people.

Yeah, keep him. Put him in the pool and happy to live in your backyard.

[Toledo]

Hear me out here, Holmberg.

[Unknown]

30 days.

[Toledo]

Can we involve a few firing squad somehow?

[Unknown]

No. No, you're making it violent. It'll be a peaceful death. The E list. People want solutions and then I give one and they're like, that's terrible. All right, so status quo then. Where? They just die on the streets.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Out of sight, out of mind. Is that what you'd rather have? Because that's what we're doing.

Well, you know, I mean, makes sense in a lot of different cases, but. But the tough thing, I wasn't authentic.

I don't believe you.

Well, no, it does. Because the problem is we have these programs that help people to try to get back on their feet. And the problem is it gets milked. It's supposed to be, you know the analogy. It's supposed to be a trampoline to get you back on your feet, but it's turned into a hammock. People just stay in there.

Okay, not with my plan. Yeah, not with my plan, they don't. You go in there and you get your rehab, you get assessed and that's the. That's where the money comes. There is going to be a cost on this. And that's where the money comes in, right? Donations, whatever you want to do a little tax dollar thing. You've got this dead land anyway, so, you know, you got some businesses in there that can take her. Maybe one of the churches will do it. They'll take in there. But, you know, the Dillard's is on one end. Maybe the Mormons can handle where the old Robinsons was. The Sears is pretty big. You get the Muslims. I don't know.

[Toledo]

We saw how Osteen handled it when you people were asking him to help out.

[Unknown]

He's an asshole. So that's, you know, you just try to dodge that.

[Toledo]

All of them are assholes.

[Unknown]

No, I agree with that building.

He has his choice.

But I'm sure telling you right now.

[Toledo]

Have a lot of buildings over in.

[Brett]

Father Dale would have the youth center in the old Sears.

[Unknown]

So what? He's not wrong. But let's not jump to all the problems. God damn it. I came up with a problem.

[Brett]

That's true.

[Unknown]

Within five minutes, Brett's got the kids in the hot tub. Homeless kids don't get euthanized. Just so.

[Brett]

What's the age limit? So 18.

[Unknown]

Oh, no, there's kids in there. We take everybody. Okay, but your parents have.

One. The parents don't. You know, the whole family gets in there.

Yeah, hey, mom and dad are on the 60 day. Puppies are easier to adopt.

Then we got more orphans.

Puppies are easier to adopt. You roll in with a couple of stragglers and they're like, look, mom, dad, you got 60 days to figure this out. Either love them or you love the age. What are you going to do? Put you in the Dillard's. You got 28 days to figure that out. And you got 32 days to get it all straight. Make some phone calls, make amends with some family, try to figure this whole deal and then off you go for your last 30. Because then we're putting you on the E list. Technically, you'll have 62 days to get it together before your E date.

Need some good idea. Need some companies to step up and be able to take that. Say, would you take someone on the 60 day program? Right, because that's a risk then.

But then you got job fair stuff going on where people are like, we need 35 employees real quick. Give me 35 of your best. They get out of there, that's a reset button. So if things go wrong, they get.

[John Holmberg]

Another free 60 so they can continually.

[Toledo]

Go back in how many cycles can they go?

[Unknown]

You can cycle, but I guarantee it.

Shouldn'T be a three strike program or something.

Then you're immediately euthanized. Yeah, no, I don't like that idea. But I do like that we. If you don't need the rehab, you start on the E list the day you get back. If it's your third time in, you know. Yeah. If you keep using it as a system that you know. But hey, if you're in those 30 day that it's like a 30 day program. Your work releasing, you're going out, you're getting some things done. You come back, you sleep at the old. The jutin hoops or whatever's inside there and then you go to work again the next day you work cut off.

On it because it'll get milked like everything else.

There's a cutoff all right.

[Toledo]

Yeah, didn't you hear?

[Unknown]

Death is. There's a cutting moment.

But he goes in, sure. Goes back on the age, he gets another 60 days. Brady goes out, goes back on the.

You're talking about. You're talking about somebody. You're thinking somebody ambitious is going to go out, earn their way out of the place to live in a home because you can't live on the streets anymore. You go right back to the shelter if you get caught. And so if you leave and you get on the H again. Yeah, you're going right on the E list.

[Toledo]

Also a little insight about how you feel about the homeless.

[Unknown]

Yeah, they're just gonna jump right back onto the train chase that dragon.

No, about programs.

More than the Chinaman's nightcap is unavoidable once you're part of it. Look at Holmberg. He's been on opioids for a week. He's already trying to kill off the homeless.

It's a good plan and it's better than the one we've got.

Wtf, Adolf? Does your camp have furnaces and showers too?

Okay. Does your camp have anything? It's a bunch of tents in the road and nobody. You just want to ignore it. You're not wrong, but that's not ours.

That's we're right.

Oh no, no, no. That is ours. That is ours. Make no mistake. That is 100 ours because we've decided to go. Not in my neighborhood. I don't know where it is and I don't care. You've never been down there. You're not doing anything about it. You don't want anything to do with it.

[Toledo]

And then there's a lot of this kind of stuff.

[Unknown]

I'm the same way. I'm not lying about it.

[Toledo]

I'm all for it. Let them lord of the flies themselves inside that building too. Get all of our people out of there. Let them take over, form their own government.

[Unknown]

Muck up business fronts like they're complaining about down there. It's an idea. I don't hear any ideas. I hear just money. Throw money at it and then move them around. This is a good one. Put them on an E list like we do the dog.

[Brett]

You can call Katie Hobbs. Get around this.

[Unknown]

I got the idea from a guy on the radio and he said to E list the homeless. It's going to be a tough sell on tv. I'll tell you right now that there's going to be a lot of people hear that E list idea and they don't hear the benefits, they only hear the bad. It's legit.

[Toledo]

I was told in rehab, on average it takes 30 years of being addicted and seven times in rehab before you get it together.

[Unknown]

It's a 5% success rate with a 92% recidivism. It's massive. But again, you pop in there and you got the options. If you stop taking the options and you just want to hang around in there. Enjoy your 90 days.

[Toledo]

Squid game, John.

[Unknown]

Kind of Squid game, guys is a little out of mind comfort zone.

[Brett]

It is.

[Unknown]

Look, it's an uncomfortable topic, but they keep saying we got to solve this problem, got to solve this problem. But we're not doing anything different. I solved it. Ironically, it's 9, 11. That's the time I go to.

[Toledo]

You're not wrong. How many of these vacant lots stay vacant so they can get the tax benefit from it rather than repurposing the land?

[Unknown]

Just saying it's an actual thing. And I guarantee you nobody, I guarantee you that euthanization rate would be real low because most of these people just need a place to like get it together.

[Toledo]

John. I like it. I'm in. In fact, I like calling it the Toledo program. A happy place to drop your unloved ones off. Sounds like a new live abortion program without the abortion.

[Unknown]

And you go on a page and you get a list and like this is. These are the people on the E list this week. And you don't want that picture to look bad. So you know, you got your little tie and you're sitting there looking like presentable. I'm like trying. And that means they're trying. That E list would be very rarely used. Only in the worst case scenario.

[Toledo]

This guy wants to make Soylent Green out of your.

[Unknown]

No, you don't make food out of.

[Toledo]

Non successful E list.

[Brett]

Jesus.

[Unknown]

See, I'm the bad guy. But that's. There's no ideas that are bad ideas. Except that one.

It's like a scared straight program extended. Get your act together or else we'll help you.

Yeah, I do like this. Pacific goes pick up the litter. Hey, look. And you know, maybe regular folks will be like, we got to help out.

[Brett]

So on Thursdays you go video dogs. On Fridays you go down the Metro Center.

[Unknown]

Go down to Metro center, go, hey, this is Tyrone. He's. Talk to him. Tyrone, I'm sorry, I'm trying. That's. He just trying. He just needs. He just needs a second. He needs somebody to help him out. I don't want to do no more H. I won't live on the roads no more. Yeah, there you go. And then in the second chance program is also a guy saying, what are you good at, Tyrone? Sweeping. Okay? Anybody needs somebody to sweep stuff up, this guy will do it. And you get their stories out there. Nobody's talking to them. Nobody's getting their stories. What are you good at? Anything else that. They're all on their own? Solutions, baby. Final ones.

[Toledo]

But also, much like dogs, wouldn't you.

[Unknown]

Have to list medical issues?

Sure. Okay. Yeah. It's gonna cost a little extra to keep Tyrone at the house. He's got a thyroid problem. This guy's got dysplasia.

[Toledo]

Do not forget Tyrone's meds.

[Unknown]

Right. You, I guarantee you euthanize maybe three before everybody.

[Toledo]

Somebody, somebody's got to be the, you know, the pariah. What do you mean somebody's got to be.

[Unknown]

Oh, there'd be a few that probably should go. We all know that deep down we all know a few of them probably shouldn't be with us.

[Brett]

Christopher says, easy sell on TV. All we need is Sarah McLaughlin, do a new song. And we're, we're on board one of.

[Unknown]

Them goopy eyed homeless sitting there's in a cage just looking at you like, look at him. He needs a second chance for a dollar a day, for $1 every day. And he could get that program going, start raising money and helping out and you know, that's all it takes. I'm just tired of hearing all this stuff like we got to do something, we got to do something. Then nothing happens. Nobody's actually doing anything. Got all these empty malls. The Holmberg plan for the homeless and the E list is gold.

[Toledo]

It's not weird. It's pretty cool, actually. No membership fee.

[Unknown]

I have heard enough of this.