06-09-25 - Watching Doc On Hunt For Bin Laden And Getting Upset Over SEAL's Wife Complaining He Wasn't At Daughter's Recital - Happy To See High Heat Here Cause No One Will Protest During It

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona Episode: June 9, 2025 Title: Watching Doc On Hunt For Bin Laden And Getting Upset Over SEAL's Wife Complaining He Wasn't At Daughter's Recital - Happy To See High Heat Here Cause No One Will Protest During It

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Overview

In this engaging episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness on Arizona's #1 Morning Radio Show, host John Holmberg along with co-hosts Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo delve into a multifaceted discussion. The episode primarily focuses on John’s reaction to the Netflix documentary "The Manhunt for Osama Bin Laden," personal anecdotes about military operations and their impact on families, and a lively debate on how Phoenix’s extreme heat influences local protests and marches.

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Reaction to "The Manhunt for Osama Bin Laden" Documentary

John Holmberg kicks off the discussion by sharing his thoughts on the documentary, highlighting its portrayal of the intense operations and the personal sacrifices made by SEAL team members.

• John Holmberg [03:43]: "It's really well told. Nothing really completely new. They have some new footage that was pretty cool that I hadn't really seen the way they did it."

He reflects on the emotional toll these missions take on the operatives and their families, particularly focusing on a SEAL team member whose wife complains about missing her daughter's recital due to the mission.

• John Holmberg [08:10]: "I got to take that back because one thing I did do, I got all fired up about the... the wife of a guy for the CIA who nagged him so hard about missing his daughter's recital the day they killed bin Laden."

The conversation deepens as John shares a personal story about his friend Scott, a contractor involved in black operations, emphasizing the secrecy and personal cost of such missions.

• John Holmberg [06:37]: "He built a bed in a box, like a coffin. And he would drag it around like a fifth wheel. He'd sleep in it, he’d live in that in the desert."

The hosts collectively express frustration over the lack of balanced portrayal of the families in the documentary, particularly the wives who endure the strain of their partners' dangerous jobs.

• Big Dick Toledo [12:05]: "I'd have immediately gone home. Oh, you got divorce paperwork for me."

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High Heat and Its Impact on Protests in Phoenix

Shifting gears, the discussion moves to the sweltering Arizona heat and its role in diffusing potential protests. John expresses his appreciation for how extreme temperatures deter large-scale marches, contrasting Phoenix with cities like Los Angeles.

• John Holmberg [24:14]: "If we do have some sort of ice march downtown, it won't get violent. It's too hot. Nobody's gonna fight here."

The hosts analyze recent protests, noting that while Phoenix has witnessed marches, the heat limits their duration and intensity, preventing the kind of unrest seen in other metropolitan areas.

• John Holmberg [28:11]: "This cause is going to die on a vine because it is too hot. And that's what I love about Phoenix."

They recount specific incidents, such as the Black Lives Matter march in Scottsdale Fashion Square, where extreme heat curtailed sustained protest activities.

• John Holmberg [30:17]: "They marched in the mall. Yeah, they went inside. It wasn't even that much of a march."

The conversation humorously touches on the logistical challenges of organizing protests in such conditions, suggesting innovative solutions like using air-conditioned malls as protest venues.

• Brett [30:18]: "They should just keep Metro Center up that way. You can march in there, it's air-conditioned, you're good."

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The Evolution of Protests: From Poster Boards to Modern-Day Marches

In a lighter segment, the hosts reminisce about the history of protests, focusing on the use of poster boards and the evolution of protest methods over the decades.

• John Holmberg [34:32]: "Whenever poster board was invented, when all this stuff got out of hand, There was probably 90s, 1890s when poster boards and marches started."

They joke about the practicality and visibility of traditional protest tools, debating the effectiveness of large markers and poster boards in modern demonstrations.

• John Holmberg [36:02]: "Nobody can see my message. It's too... Yeah, I need a bigger marker."

This segment serves as a humorous interlude, contrasting the serious nature of their earlier discussion with playful banter about protest logistics.

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Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Wrapping up the episode, John Holmberg summarizes his appreciation for Phoenix’s unique position where extreme heat acts as a natural moderator for protests, ensuring that marches remain peaceful and non-violent.

• John Holmberg [27:00]: "Holmberg's morning sickness like if it wasn't LA's idea to go down in March, no one in Phoenix would have."

The hosts agree that while political tensions exist, the environmental factors in Phoenix play a significant role in maintaining order during heated times.

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Notable Quotes

• John Holmberg [06:37]: "He built a bed in a box, like a coffin. And he would drag it around like a fifth wheel."
• Big Dick Toledo [12:05]: "I'd have immediately gone home. Oh, you got divorce paperwork for me."
• John Holmberg [24:14]: "If we do have some sort of ice march downtown, it won't get violent. It's too hot. Nobody's gonna fight here."
• John Holmberg [36:02]: "Nobody can see my message. It's too... Yeah, I need a bigger marker."

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This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness provides listeners with a blend of serious reflections on military operations and their personal costs, alongside a spirited debate on local socio-political dynamics influenced by Phoenix’s notorious heat. The hosts’ candid conversation offers both insights and humor, making it a compelling listen for those interested in current events, military history, and the unique cultural landscape of Phoenix.

Transcript

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[John Holmberg]

Morning Sickness Good Morning everybody. Hello there. Welcome to Monday. It's 5:45. My name's John. There's Brady, there's Brett, there's big Dick Toledo. This the morning sickness going 2020 style. Little Covid at your ass. How you doing? I'm taking it back 5yo had Covid Friday, don't have Covid yesterday, don't get it, don't care. Covid's not a thing, so it doesn't really matter anymore. We pretty much got that thing wrangled, but yeah. Tested for it on Friday 1. I don't know if those tests are any good anymore. I found it Friday at the house. Like, I see what this is because I felt. Last Wednesday, I woke up so gross and sick. I thought I was gonna lose it. I just turned around, went home, felt fine. Thursday, Friday afternoon. Meh. Start feeling like garbage. Pop the test, get a little faint pink line. Remember the lines?

[Brady]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

My dad.

[Brady]

Yep.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I got Covid. Was weird that I even wanted to test for it. Thought it was allergies. Then Saturday, got on my bike. Road felt good. You know how I knew it was Covid for sure? You know when you do a farmer's blow on your bike.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And you're blowing out and it fires out usually. Right. This was. This was a. Like I had those streamers on my handlebars.

[Brett]

Just silly streamers. Let go of those.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It was just. Would not let go of me. And I was just riding down the canal in Indian school with like this. This gigantic thing, a glaze that was a big, giant. Yeah.

[Brady]

A glazed train.

[John Holmberg]

It was like a spaghetti noodle. It was forever. And I'm laughing and I'm like, I don't feel great. But, like, so long as. But the second I stopp, I was out like a light. So it didn't make any sense. Didn't do anything. So we can. A load of nothing. In fact, I got to take that back because one thing I did do, I got all fired up about the. Have you got. You've. You've watched the. The Manhunt for Osama Bin Laden on Netflix and you. Did you.

[Brett]

I have not.

[John Holmberg]

Spoiler alert, Brett. We get them. Oh, so. But you don't find that out until the third episode.

[Brett]

It's wrecking it.

[John Holmberg]

I know. I'm sorry. But the third episode, you're like, yes. I don't remember this part. Great. It's really well told. Nothing really completely new. They have some new footage that was pretty cool that I hadn't really seen the way they did it. Some stuff. And I don't know how much was reenacted and how much was actual footage of the SEAL team going at. Pretty cool, right? And you get to meet through the documentary, some of the players you didn't really know that were in the Situation room. Dudes who flew over there worked on it for years, worked on it forever. Right. And that one guy that flew over there first, like he was one of five people, tells the family, gotta go. Nails the SEAL team guy who ended up shooting Bin Laden's in it. He's pretty cool. He's like, gotta go, writes a note to his family, Love you all. Ms. You got got a mission now you don't realize they do it multiple times if they go over there and every time they go over there this is probably it. But the Last 1, the SEAL team's like this is it, we're gonna die today. And like they had reserved their resolve that they're, they were not going to make it back. This was a one way ticket and they were okay with that. They didn't tell, they couldn't tell their families we're gonna go kill bin Laden. They were just on a mission, a quiet mission. I had a friend back in the day who was a contractor, used to do black ops work. I didn't know what that meant. He's the one who taught me that post war contracting isn't plumbing and building. I thought that meant that they went over and painted houses when they'd always talk about yeah we got contractors coming by. I'm like oh good, they're gonna, you know, put up some structures microcsns get that plumbing back in order and get that sewer system, those, that and water and yeah, but a building back then, yeah, it wasn't handyman through that but yeah, they were going to build it. So I didn't realize until this guy I used to hang out with, Scott was like I do, I do contracting for the military spia. I forget which thing he was in but he's like as a military guy for years I'm like oh. He says I'm, I do contracting. Like oh, did you learn that in the military? And he looks at me like I'm an idiot. Like how do you, what did you, where did you learn your trade? And he's like contracting. And he told me that was what that was all about. But he used to tell me can't, you know, we used to work out together. I can't work out with you this week. I'm gonna go do this, I'm gonna do that. And he disappear for days, no contact, couldn't any. And his family didn't know. Now some of it I think was him abroads in other cities and using it as an excuse. But there were a couple times where he came back with pictures and I'm like what is this? And he said well this is what contract work is. I'm like what? Well I had no idea. He was, yeah, now the mission's over. And he was not a good one by the way. He used to talk A lot. But he didn't give me details of names, but told me, like, things that were going on. So a few times that I'm like, oh, that's what contract is. So he would tell his wife all the time, I'm leaving and I can't tell you where. Sometimes for his own benefit, sometimes for realsies. That's what.

[Brady]

And you knew it was legit because he never asked you for money. Hey. For this operation.

[John Holmberg]

Never once. In fact, I knew it was legit the day he built a bed in a box, like a coffin. And he would drag it around like a fifth wheel. And he had a jeep and it would. He'd drag it behind him. He's like, I gotta go this weekend. And it was packed out. And I mean, like, 25 days worth of food. And it was so meticulously done. And like, a weapons. Like, John Wick had a coffin hanging off the bat, and he would sleep in it, and he'd live in that in the desert. And he would. Most of the time, his job was to watch something. I know that. And off track with him, it was just the fact that this type of guy would leave and. And leave letters for his family going, I may not make it back. That's not good. And you do that all the time. He'd say goodbye to me. I wasn't that close to him, but he'd say goodbye to me. Like, this one might be the one. Like, really? He's gonna get back. Like, okay, I don't know what you do. So all these guys do this stuff, right? SEAL team, CIA, dudes like crazy in the bin Laden manhunt. And I'm watching this, like, a lot of people have. It's been on Netflix for a while, and it's huge. And I'm like, this is fascinating. What a bunch of. What a bunch of crazy guesses these guys had to make that either make or break their entire lives. You know, Like, Leon Panetta was Obama's leader of the FBI, CIA and all. He's like, man, I gotta take charge. Right? Then there's one guy whose name I don't know who said that. And I don't know, it was. It was unbelievable to watch the most. I guess, like, what I notice is.

[Brady]

From day one, the people that were on it, from when the thing happened.

[John Holmberg]

Sure. Back in 98.

[Brady]

And they were working on it.

[John Holmberg]

88. They've been on them forever.

[Brady]

I mean, it was amazing. Then they're told, back off.

[John Holmberg]

I was left with one thought after watching this one thing. After all the bin Laden and 911 and the coal and all the attacks. There was a wife of a guy for the CIA who nagged him so hard about missing his daughter's recital the day they killed bin Laden. And he's like, I gotta go to work.

[Big Dick Toledo]

On a Sunday?

[John Holmberg]

Yes, on a Sunday. You know what? You married. I.

[Big Dick Toledo]

What do you have to do on a Sunday?

[John Holmberg]

Look, bitch, typical. I'm busy. He came home and she's filing divorce papers.

[Big Dick Toledo]

You missed your daughter's recital. You don't even have an hour for your daughter.

[John Holmberg]

He called her that night. He goes, turn on the tv. And they made it seem like he said it all nice, but I guarantee you he called her. Go say bitch. Turn on the television right now.

[Big Dick Toledo]

Oh, why you got. What are you gonna be on TV on your horse?

[John Holmberg]

Turn on the goddamn tv. And then there's Obama. We killed Osama bin Laden.

[Big Dick Toledo]

Oh, is that what you were.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I was killing Osama bin Laden today. I couldn't make our daughter's recital. Sorry.

[Brady]

Oh, well, you're forgiven.

[Big Dick Toledo]

You still didn't. You still didn't let me know enough.

[John Holmberg]

It's like you mother. The dude went home and stayed with her. That was the thing. I left the whole. I left the whole bin Laden to go, dude, you. You didn't go home and fill out the rest of those divorce papers she was going to present you with because you missed your daughter's recital on a Sunday while you were killing bin Laden.

[Brady]

That was took off this. That was number two for me.

[John Holmberg]

That was the second part of the.

[Brady]

Nope, the second worst thing.

[John Holmberg]

That was the worst thing that happened in the entire documentary to kept.

[Brady]

I mean, the. The dude was getting away by his undercover. That's how good it was.

[John Holmberg]

He's a hero. He's a. This wasn't the dude who shot bin Laden. This was a dude who was intricate to the teams. And you married a CIA guy. That's like marrying a Chippendales dancer and going, what do you do?

[Big Dick Toledo]

Take your pants off every day?

[Brett]

Yes, yes.

[John Holmberg]

You married me.

[Brett]

Stayed with her.

[John Holmberg]

He went home.

[Brady]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

He went. One of the baddest dudes in the room goes home to this lady going, well, we're getting divorced here. And he goes, you know, I was killing, but I was me. That was my call. Like, I was the one who put this together. I was in on this. That's not more important than your daughter. Yeah, yes, it is. Yeah, it's really a whole lot more important than my daughter. There were 24 dudes who signed Their death warrant to fly in on my time to go kill one guy. And they all believed they were going to die for their country. So my daughter's hour recital. I'll catch the next one.

[Brett]

So he took the fatigues off and put the pink tights on and went back to.

[John Holmberg]

And he. And he went back to being some sort of weird, weird cuck dude. Needed to get out of Dodge. I was so mad. By the way it happens in the third episode. Spoiler alert. The. When he says it, he says it all like, happy wife, happy life. And I'm like, that bitch needs to be in this documentary going, I am so sorry.

[Brett]

Is she in there?

[John Holmberg]

No. She needs to be like, I married into the CIA. He was in Obama's. I am so sorry. Like, he had to whisper to her. All right, you can't say anything, but we're this close to getting the target.

[Brady]

I held off.

[John Holmberg]

Like, you gotta tell her a little.

[Big Dick Toledo]

I don't care, man. Your daughter's gotta tap dance.

[John Holmberg]

I do. Look, if I had get Morgan Freeman to call her. If Brett wanted me to help him move, I'm like, I'm sorry. Brett's gotta move. And I told him I'd help him. We're gonna miss that door. Anything to miss someone's recital, for crying out loud. The dude's killing bin Laden. We need to have a whole documentary of the family of every one of those people. All the wives that nagged those husbands. I was working seven days a week. I mean, I was. I was burning it at both ends. I was sleeping an hour a day. And he's got that to deal with at home. She's still giving him grief. Handle, your lady.

[Brady]

That's why most of the movies, they don't. They're. The wife left them because of the work. They're, you know, buried into being a detective.

[John Holmberg]

I bet she was spending every penny of his. I worked for Obama. CIA checks, too. And she wasn't complaining about his time then.

[Brett]

Well, he couldn't tell her. Cause it'd be all over Postino's by that afternoon.

[Brady]

Wildfire.

[John Holmberg]

I can't whisper to you because you brag to our neighbors about how important my job is.

[Big Dick Toledo]

Well, she thinks her husband's such a big deal over at the car dealership.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, but I can't. See, this is the problem. You're in competition with the other wives, and you won't shut up. Morning sickness.

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[Big Dick Toledo]

Hardly ever see my husband. That's okay though because he's gonna kill Bin Laden. They have it. It's gonna happen on Sunday.

[Brady]

Did you hear? We're getting him.

[John Holmberg]

And then today bin Laden's got the postinos tapped. The wives of the. The C words that are married to these guys, man. I'd have immediately gone home. Oh, you got divorce paperwork for me. For me killing bin Laden and not going to. Yeah, where's the pen? Yeah.

[Big Dick Toledo]

I didn't know you were killing bin Laden.

[John Holmberg]

You knew. What do you think I was doing?

[Big Dick Toledo]

I just didn't know. I just thought you were ignoring your family.

[John Holmberg]

I was. I had something else to do. I'm multifaceted human being. You're not the most important thing on the planet.

[Brett]

I'd rather take my chances than go to a recital.

[Big Dick Toledo]

What do you mean I'm not the most important thing in the planet?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I might have gone to jail that day. You go home, it's amazing. All that stress and all that pressure and you put all those lives on the line. And by the way, they weren't sure he was in there at all. They were, they were confident they were right, but they didn't know. And then, you know, we're going to get.

[Brett]

He could have been at the movies or something.

[John Holmberg]

They could have had a tunnel. He could have. He could have gotten word gotten bounced. They thought maybe the Pakistani air force was going to shoot down our planes coming in. They didn't know. You know, this dude put 24 seals and two helicopters and said, it's on you guys, man. And it's. And it's me and this group of people that are. That are. You're probably gonna die today.

[Brady]

You got about a 20 minute window maybe at the most.

[Big Dick Toledo]

She worked hard on we need a Hero, the bunny rape song. And she was gonna sing it. And you won't come for an hour?

[John Holmberg]

I'm busy.

[Big Dick Toledo]

You're a jerk.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, fine. There'll be papers waiting for you. Good. And then he said it with that smile at the end. And she's probably at home going, I just didn't. It got away.

[Big Dick Toledo]

I was gonna divorce him and he killed bin Laden instead.

[John Holmberg]

He did it for me. Yeah. Oh, I hate that woman. I want a whole documentary of these evil nags that wrecked these CIA guys lives, you know, Never complex. Were a lot of women on there too that did this. A lot of badass women who were involved in this whole thing. Never once you seem to have a fine. Yeah. Never once did I sit and go.

[Big Dick Toledo]

Missed my daughter's recital and my husband wasn't supportive.

[John Holmberg]

Like, are you kidding me? Like, I didn't ever Once hear from their husbands going, well, she was never home. Because guys don't complain about that. They've been home for days. Is she missing?

[Brett]

Gotta watch the ball game in peace this time. Thank Christ.

[John Holmberg]

Thought I enjoyed that a lot more.

[Brett]

Than somebody else, too. While you're at it, there weren't like.

[John Holmberg]

40 questions in it. This was great. She's still killing bin Laden. Bin Laden lives forever. Keep chasing him, honey. You've got all the time you need. Yeah, it was. It was. My takeaway from the bin Laden thing was, who's that guy's wife? Get her on TV immediately. You marry a CIA guy and then he gets super duper busy and he can't tell you what it's about. You zip it. It's probably important.

[Brady]

He's telling you over and over. I wish I could tell you, but I. I gotta miss it.

[John Holmberg]

I gotta miss it to the Tap recital.

[Big Dick Toledo]

And by the way, why is that on him?

[Brady]

I think you're doing this on purpose.

[Big Dick Toledo]

You're trying to get out of things. You're always at the office. Can't Obama do a day without you?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Did you hear yourself? Did you just. The president needs me. I can't tell him I gotta go to a recital. Especially right now. You'll see tomorrow. If we're right, it's gonna be great. If we're wrong, you're gonna be looking for a new school for that kid, so.

[Big Dick Toledo]

I can't live like this.

[John Holmberg]

All right. What do you do for a living? Oh, yeah. Hold on.

[Big Dick Toledo]

Nothing.

[John Holmberg]

Shut up.

[Brett]

I'd rather be on one of those Blackhawk helicopters going in there instead of going to a recital. I'll take my chances over here.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you give me the option. I'm in on that. Oh, yeah, I'm with you. You.

[Brady]

They wished it was a Blackhawk at the time.

[John Holmberg]

Well, yeah, it was better than a Blackhawk, but they've never flown them before. Oh, really?

[Brady]

Technological advanced helicopter.

[John Holmberg]

I would have climbed in that temporary kind of makeshift, let's see what this thing does playing, then gone to any kid recital ever in my life and signed divorce papers afterwards. Oh, did I miss a recital? And that means you're going to leave? That means less recitals for me. This is working out great. It's like Josh Blue said. When I got divorced from my wife, I got 50% custody. And that's still a hell of a lot of custody. That's a lot of kids. That's half. It's almost half of their time. Anyway. I just. I walked away from that thing. Going, you have got to be kidding me. This lady and she. They didn't interview her at all. They just still made him the jerk.

[Brett]

They show a picture of her at least.

[John Holmberg]

Like, no.

[Brett]

Happy family picture.

[John Holmberg]

No. Because she was. No.

[Brady]

You mind if I light her up again?

[John Holmberg]

You know what's worse? As I bet when they're at dinner parties and stuff, she's like, and then.

[Big Dick Toledo]

My husband, who killed bin Laden?

[John Holmberg]

Like, she's, like, taken. Like, she's one of those people that somebody else's accomplishments are somehow hers. Like, she. She'll talk about it. Like she was involved.

[Big Dick Toledo]

Like, can I. I held down the fart because he was hardly ever at home.

[John Holmberg]

Like, give. Your. The whole time you made that worse.

[Brett]

You know, he's sitting in the car, goes, don't talk about me like that. I did this.

[John Holmberg]

Killing bin Laden, all the stress of it. And, yeah, I bet you sat in the parking lot in Langley at the CIA headquarters and just said, I don't even want to go home. All right, who else can we kill? I got another one I want. Yeah, guaranteed. That was like, that dude's a nightmare. You're right. It's like, oh, did we have fun talking to our friends tonight about how I killed bin Laden?

[Big Dick Toledo]

I'm so proud of you.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, really? Because I remember coming home to divorce papers and, you know, half a glass of wine and a lot of tears. I'm not getting enough attention around here.

[Big Dick Toledo]

I just didn't know your daughter.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah. Yep. She seems fine. You know, she missed the recital, but her dad's one of the people that finalized the death warrant on bin Laden, so I think she's over the recital, and she's got a hell of a story to tell. Talk about a story to tell, though, dude who actually turned and was a foot and a half away from bin Laden when he shot him in the face. He's in the room and he describes it. He goes, I'm in there. There's a bunch of people that are just standing there. I turn around, there's a guy behind me, and he's like, two feet, and I'm like, that's him. He goes, he was taller than I remembered and skinnier. He goes. And I'm like, I gotta end him. That. That's like. That's a Neil Armstrong moment. You try and top that dude's story at a party. Brady wander around talking about, well, I.

[Big Dick Toledo]

Had a restaurant for a few years, went pretty well, and then I. I won the double seniors championship, and what do you do?

[John Holmberg]

I killed Bin Laden. My gun.

[Big Dick Toledo]

That was you, huh?

[John Holmberg]

Yep.

[Brady]

You have the floor.

[Big Dick Toledo]

Not many stories that are topping you tonight.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, unless Neil Armstrong shows up, no one tops that guy's story. Ever in a party, you just shut up and let him talk.

[Brady]

And no pixelation. He's the only out from the team.

[John Holmberg]

Well, he's. He's.

[Brady]

I know he was out.

[John Holmberg]

He just like they're interviewing him.

[Brady]

The rest are.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's permission stuff. And they're probably still seals, so it's like. Yeah, the.

[Brady]

I mean even if I were, I would almost think about not me.

[John Holmberg]

I shop in loud and I'd be hoofing it all over. He was cool.

[Brett]

Still a seal or is he retired?

[John Holmberg]

I probably retired.

[Brett]

But you're being witness protection program and.

[John Holmberg]

All that kind of. No, he's.

[Brady]

You pretty much go out on top on that.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. I don't even know if you can go back to work when you're the one who dropped to in Geronimo. I'm pretty sure you just like go to work the next day. I'm pretty sure I'm promoted.

[Brady]

And you can't believe. I mean, you know, it's. It's. It's pretty amazing.

[John Holmberg]

It's an awesome day of the operation. Oh, it's amazing. We all kind of knew what people.

[Brady]

Yeah, we all know what's going on. It's a Sunday.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we knew it's. We knew it was happening. We knew all the. You know, everything in the documentary is good. And then you get to know the people and you're like, wow, guys, wife's a. That's what we need to do. We keep doing that with athletes wives and girl wags of the WNB or of it. And well, they have that too. Of the NBA and WAGs of the NFL and they're all over. We need that. WAGs of the. The SEAL Team 6 and WAGs of the CIA. The wives and girlfriends. Put them in bikinis. They'd love that. That lady's horrible. They should pixelate her face every time they show it so we don't boo incessantly.

[Brady]

There's that one series that was the special teams op where it dealt with those guys would leave and had the wives together. It was. I think it was like an HBO show for it. Was it not Band of Brothers. But it was a. Almost like a SEAL team. And they. They would. Part of it was the women getting together, dealing with what they had to do. When the guys would go off and one would come back.

[John Holmberg]

Was it a Documentary or.

[Brady]

No, it was a series.

[John Holmberg]

You're bad at explaining things you've watched. Has no name, no real definition. Was a war thing. We always play like a password. It was a war show. Who was in it, Brady?

[Brady]

Nobody.

[John Holmberg]

Well, thanks for sharing.

[Brett]

I missed that one too.

[John Holmberg]

I did too. I missed it while he was talking about it. I don't think I got any. Guy says, what documentary are you talking about, John? I missed the beginning, but it sounds like all women are the same. Well, that's not my point on this. Just that one. Just. But it was the. The manhunt. The hunt for Osama bin Laden. It's on Netflix. So documentary. That's been out for a couple weeks. It's ridiculous. But it was just. She was the biggest terrorist in the whole damn thing. Like, bin Laden's even like, geez, your wife, what a beyond trying to kill me. She doesn't get that? No. I have to talk to her all the time at my job. It's a. It's a constant struggle. What does she do for a living, you know? Nothing. I mean, well. And she should shut up. That's what I. All right, somebody shoot him. But you're right. Thank you, bin Laden. Bin Laden's one making most sense around here. Here's another thing I'm grateful for, the heat. It's gonna be 109 degrees today. It was pretty hot yesterday. It was 109 degrees today. And that means one thing and one thing only. If we do have some sort of ice march downtown, it won't get violent. It's too hot. Nobody's gonna fight here. This is the best thing about living in Phoenix, is that when other cities get all up in arms about some political thing, summer is when they have their marches. Los Angeles went nuts this weekend. National Guards over there shooting tear gas at people. They've got their thing. They tried it here, like, oh, and here's the thing. We always say kids are influenced by TV and video games. I never see kids out. I see parents any. Like, there was. Nobody was mad. And this city was ice free. Like, there was no anger as far as I could tell in this town. I know, like, internally some people are against the whole policy, but we weren't having like a massive shakedown, were we? I don't remember Phoenix being in like, peril or like everybody was like, incredibly concerned. We weren't having huge raids. We would hear about it. But so, you know, they see on TV that another city's doing it. So a bunch of people got upset. Us too. Adults are influenced by TV more than kids. They wouldn't have marched at all this weekend if Los Angeles didn't.

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[John Holmberg]

Holmberg's morning sickness like if it wasn't LA's idea to go down in March, no one in Phoenix would have. But they tried and it was too hot. And they were walking around a little bit like I'm not fighting anybody today. This is. This cause is going to die on a vine because it is too hot. And that's what I love about Phoenix. We can't have Remember the Sisa Pueda marches they had in June a few years ago? And they're like immigration marches. Like, don't worry about it. This thing Peter's out by 10am Nobody's going to be standing out there. Nobody's that mad at anything to stand on asphalt in 110 degrees. So I love it because the rest of the country marches in the summer because it's nice everywhere else. Here we need to hold our marches off till October. Ask the gays. They're not even proud of themselves in Pride Month. They have to wait till the weather gets better to do all their marches and stuff because it's way too hot and I love it. So there won't be any violent clashes in this beautiful city until probably the weather cools off. And that won't be until almost Thanksgiving, and everyone will have forgotten by then, which is amazing. There'll be some people that wander around, but they don't know, but will have the energy to get things going. But LA does, because LA is perfect right now. It's a little bit hot, but it's really sunny. Guaranteed good weather. It's like 82, 83. It's perfect.

[Brady]

Good Luton weather.

[John Holmberg]

It's great Luton. It is great Luton weather. Super Luton. And yeah, you can wander around. Tear gas hurts, but at least you're not hot. It's. It's nice marching weather. It's nice. I'm angry, I'll fight you weather. Good fighting weather. But here, not so much. So I enjoy when they say, you know, also sympathy marches in downtown Phoenix. And you see, like, 20, like, Mexican guys are like, it's too hot to be this mad. I'm not. I'm not this mad. And nobody's harassing him. The ICE guys are all like, please don't. Don't make a stir. We don't want to. We're not going to come after you. It's too hot. It's too hot to march, too hot to be angry. Just.

[Brady]

It is confusing watching some of the footage where, you know, it's like. Like they want to be here, but they're. It's like going to a soccer game.

[John Holmberg]

They're flying their country Mexican flag. Yeah, I don't get that part. I don't get marching to.

[Brett]

Yeah, but I don't think it's all just the illegals.

[John Holmberg]

I think it's just, yeah, sure, right. Well, they're just. Yeah, I get. I get the anger. I get why somebody's like, well, this doesn't seem like something. If I was Mexican, I'd be like, well, this is. This sucks. I have an Asian friend who looks Mexican and she won't travel anymore because she's like, I'm afraid, like, I'll get deported. Like, I'll get questioned. I'm like, really? I'm like, you do look Mexican. And her last name ends in an O. But she also is like, you know, Fendi bags. And, like, she's not. Nobody's looking at her going, oh, she's up something. You just go through her purse once and find the lipstick. And she's not going to be smuggling anything.

[Brett]

12 tubes of chapstick.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. You know, you're. You're just one of those. You're just a typical broad. Too much Chapstick, you know? Yeah, that's enough. Okay, go ahead. I'M like, you're not getting deported, don't worry about it. But yeah, the whole argument of the political topic, sure, there's a side for everybody on that. I get people being upset. I get people being upset at the people upset. But it's too hot to fight here. We've got it made. We don't even think about it. We had the Black Lives Matter marches here in town. Remember it was at night and the only place that went nuts was Scottsdale Fashion Square. Cause like Logan Paul got everybody all riled up.

[Brady]

And there's that one.

[John Holmberg]

They marched in the mall. Yeah, they went inside. It wasn't even that much of a march. They wrecked the piano store which I still don't know understand why that piano guy took a beating. A dude's trying to sell pianos, you can't loot a piano store. But they broke his windows. And I'm like, well they, they looted the air conditioned Fashion Square. That's. They marched downtown for a little bit. It was way too hot. And then that dude took a bean bag to the nuts and it was over.

[Brett]

They should just kept Metro center up that way. You can march in there, it's air conditioned, you're good.

[John Holmberg]

That's a great idea. Political strife mall that you just. All these closed malls are like, look, if you're gonna march and you're gonna want to fight.

[Brett]

It'S in the hood.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we'll, we'll surround it with officers. You guys march and trash it all. It's like one of those places you go to break plates.

[Brett]

Oh yeah, you know those whatever rooms.

[John Holmberg]

There's anger, panic rooms, anger rooms. They just start chucking plates and things and breaking TVs. It's like, oh, we'll give you a whole mall for that. Tear it apart. Totally legal to do it and then come out and I bet you it's too hot to fight. I'm almost positive of it. It's way too hot to fight. And I love this city for that in a huge way. But it seems to me there was not going to be a march in Phoenix. Like nobody was that angry until they saw that Los Angeles was. And like well then us too, we're always copying la. If LA didn't get mad, there wouldn't have been any march in here. But then that was a. I guess it was a.

[Brady]

You feel you're uniting.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, they're, they're doing a sympathy protest for their friends in laws. Well go over there. It's five hour drive. Oh, it's too hot. Okay, Gas Is too expensive, then you don't really care that much. It's like show low having a march. Nobody was mad. We'll get it. I think when you start making all that noise, it draws attention to how it's got. And now everybody's going to be thinking that it's worse than it's bad. But I don't know. This is where that whole white privilege thing kicks ass. I don't know. I can't even argue. I don't know. I've. I don't have any of that. And look, get mad at me for it all day, but you'd take advantage of it too. I, I waved to the police. I did this morning. How you doing? Sitting next to me on 51 and Bethany, like, hey, I don't know why I don't wave to other motorists. But he pulled up next to me and I'm like, give him a wave. No reason. Just, there's a cop. They're great. And I don't. That's, that's. I, you know, some people hate that.

[Brett]

Apparently our big march, from what I'm seeing, somebody said it's on the 14th.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, we got one coming. March downtown. Too hot. Oh my God.

[Brett]

108 that day too. Have fun.

[John Holmberg]

The good news is it'll be a peaceful march and it'll end fast and start early. Like do it at like seven on a weekend so there's no like traffic and then get like a Saturday or something. It is.

[Brett]

It's a Saturday. So that's perfect.

[John Holmberg]

Perfect.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

This is a great march.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

On flag. That's Trump's birthday also. Seven to nine or so, 10 o' clock then you gotta start worrying about hydration and get home. I'm usually starting to creep out of bed about 9, 9:30 on a Saturday. March over. Want to go to Windsor? Head on down to Central where all the trouble was. And one of those delicious Windsor burgers. Oh my God, those are good. And then there's a nice, A lot of marching going. Atlanta. Anything happen? No, it's too hot. They all went home. Yeah, that's perfect, isn't it? Ice went home, cops went home, marchers went home. It was great. They should march at the mall. Yeah, yeah, it's a great place to march. Logan Paul was smart. He showed up here and he's like, guys, it's way too hot here to march outside. Let's go in there. And they broke windows and they went into the mall. It was really like 74 degrees. It's perfect marching weather. The Only problem is it's also good fighting weather. But if you don't put cops inside that mall, you just put them outside of the mall where the heat is. They'll just walk around in there until they get bored to walk themselves out like a baby before bed. I don't get it.

[Brady]

Clashing with the other mall walkers.

[John Holmberg]

The old people marches. Broad started marches, didn't they? Weren't they the ones with the voting and all that? Were there marches before that? I know there are people that used to walk down the street with pitchforks and then they'd burn houses down.

[Brady]

Yeah, I guess. You know, back then they called them crusades.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that was a long. A little more violence.

[Brady]

A long walk.

[John Holmberg]

Like I think MLK was big on. Like, we're just gonna walk around and let you know we're here. But I think women did it for voting rights and things. I think that was when that all kind of got going, like with the signs and I've been.

[Brady]

Might have been some unions.

[John Holmberg]

When was poster board invented? That's when these. That's when this started. Whenever party cities. Carried the first one. Yeah. Who was the first one who goes, guys, I found this. It's like really inexpensive. You can get eight in a pack. That's gonna change my kids homework forever. What is this called? Poster board. Oh, it's amazing. All we need is a stick and some glue. You can yell at everybody. Not really do anything. Just kind of say things and then go home.

[Brady]

Did it work?

[John Holmberg]

No, not really. We got pepper sprayed. It wasn't fun. Stupid poster board.

[Brady]

Better point.

[John Holmberg]

Whenever poster board was invented, when all this stuff got out of hand, There was probably 90s, 1890s when poster boards and marches started.

[Brett]

And the poster board.

[John Holmberg]

All right. Yeah. That's when it'll end. Look what happened. I'm right. There weren't a lot of marches before that. Hardly at all. In fact, 1890. Start seeing poster board poster birds and sharpies. Sharpies. When were sharpies? That's when it had to go haywire. My guess, Sharpies were invented in 1961. Yeah.

[Brady]

They went with.

[John Holmberg]

I'm guessing early on. I'm throwing a 1961 bomb on there.

[Brett]

Nice. 64.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. Oh, civil rights. Right. That year. Okay. Sharpies.

[Brady]

So you can do it on a pen instead.

[John Holmberg]

And. And man, forget about it. Construction paper. And those boards before that.

[Brett]

They're using the feather pen and everything else.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Nobody can see my message. It's too. Yeah, I need a bigger marker. Like we need to invent bigger markers for this. Nobody sees our message. Takes forever to color and suffer. Jack.

[Brett]

Got Sharpies, homie?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I have to do the outline and then color it in. I don't have enough time. We got all this poster board, but nobody can see we're writing on it because we got these thin pens. Give me a thicker pen. Sharpie, what the hell do you do for a living, huh? I just make poster board. Just start doing something else. All right. And Mr. Sharpie invented that all started. I'm right. The invention of poster board was the problem. 1890. And everybody started tying them to sticks and walking around mad. Before that, you just were mad at home or fist fought the neighbor.

[Brett]

Why you?

[John Holmberg]

Why you? If I had a sign and a stick, I would clobber you right in the kisser. Yeah, post report. We gotta ban that stuff. Everybody's working on guns would have to.

[Brady]

Do their presentations on a piece of wood.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It changed homework forever. Packs of eight, you get to pick a color. It was great. I used to get so mad. My mom would come home with a pack of eight poster board, all white. Like, aw, where's the creativity here, Mom?

[Big Dick Toledo]

You have one color on your marker. It won't show up on any of those there. It's a waste of money.

[John Holmberg]

God damn it. She's kind of right.

[Brady]

But she always kept a supply in case there was a march coming up, right?

[John Holmberg]

I like options. Oh, I did a lot of poster board work. I didn't march, but I made a lot of pennants and stuff of my own. There was no Internet, so when I wanted something, I would just draw it crudely. I did a lot of poster board homework, and teachers tended to be blown away when you'd come in with that rolled up things like, he's got a presentation. I drew the United States for no reason. And here's like an oil well where Texas is. I added that in.

[Big Dick Toledo]

That's amazing.

[John Holmberg]

A plus, like. Yep, that's right. Poster board will get you an A all the way up until about 8th grade. Poster board's immediate A. It's immediate A. Teachers love that stuff. At 6:18. Let's get ourselves a Wake up song. 109 degrees today. If you're pretty pissed off, I suggest you stay home and, you know, fire off some. Some angry thoughts on the computer. Reddit, Quora, get on those things. Oh, they'll hear you. That's better than marching around clogging up traffic, that's for sure. Give us a wake up song. Five eight, five, nine eight zero zero and we'll scream it together. It's 98 KUPD. Wake up Arizona's most powerful rock radio station. It's out of control now.

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