06-18-25 - John Spent Day Delivering Water To Those In Need w/PHX Rescue Mission And Was Blown Away - UA Addressing Need For Med Professionals By Shortening Requirements For Degree

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona Episode: June 18, 2025 Host: John Holmberg with Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo

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Overview

In this episode of "Holmberg's Morning Sickness" on Arizona's #1 Morning Radio Show, host John Holmberg delves into two significant topics:

1. John's Experience Delivering Water to Those in Need with PHX Rescue Mission
2. University of Arizona's Initiative to Address the Medical Professional Shortage by Shortening Degree Requirements

Through heartfelt discussions, personal anecdotes, and spirited debates with co-hosts Bret Vesely and Dick Toledo, John provides listeners with deep insights into community service and the complexities of medical education reform.

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1. Delivering Water to Those in Need with PHX Rescue Mission

John Holmberg shares his firsthand experience participating in a water delivery drive with the Phoenix Rescue Mission and Operation Hydration. Accompanied by colleagues McFeely, Heather from the sales department, Amy, and fellow host Bret, John ventured into Maryvale to distribute water to individuals facing homelessness and hardship.

Key Highlights:

• First Impressions and Human Connections:

  • John expresses the emotional impact of being recognized in public, highlighting the genuine gratitude from those he helped.
  • [04:30]: “I have not been recognized in public like that in a long time. They knew me immediately.”

• Encountering Justin, the HOPE Coach:

  • Justin, a former addict and someone who has overcome homelessness, plays a pivotal role in the mission. His ability to connect and inspire those in need was a standout moment for John.
  • [05:29]: “Justin does it every day and I know my way around. It was remarkable to watch him kind of visually recognize in the group which dude is going to be the one that looks at me and says, I'm ready, I want to get out.”

• Understanding the Complexity of Homelessness:

  • John discusses the varied backgrounds of the individuals they encountered, emphasizing that many are not just passive victims but are striving to overcome their circumstances.
  • [06:54]: “They were sitting under shade, they had jobs, they have pets. It wasn’t just, I’m not trying. They were trying.”

• Impact of Community Support:

  • The distribution of Wilderness Athlete hydration packs was met with overwhelming gratitude, showcasing the tangible difference such efforts make.
  • [11:30]: “They were pouring it in there immediately. And I'm like, man, this stuff is gold.”

• Shift in Perspective:

  • This experience opened John's eyes to the pervasive nature of homelessness in areas he previously overlooked, leading to a newfound appreciation for the mission’s impact.
  • [15:56]: “Yesterday I noticed there are probably 30 or 40 people around here. What the hell is going on? It’s everywhere.”

Notable Quotes:

• [07:45]: “Nobody could walk up to that and still have the same losers. That attitude is gone when you humanize the issue.”
• [12:40]: “We're only three weeks into this thing, so we can already say thanks because our lobby is jam packed with water.”

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2. University of Arizona’s Shortened Medical Degree Program

John engages in a spirited debate with co-host Bret Vesely regarding the University of Arizona's proposal to shorten the medical degree to three years. The discussion highlights concerns about the depth and quality of medical training versus the urgent need for more medical professionals.

Key Highlights:

• Critique of Accelerated Programs:

  • John vehemently opposes the idea of reducing the medical training period, drawing parallels to smoking a brisket too quickly.
  • [30:23]: “Let me ask you this. Are you smoking a brisket in 35 minutes or you're going to do the old way where it takes a whole day, which is better?”

• Concerns About Quality and Competency:

  • He argues that a rushed medical education may result in underprepared doctors who lack comprehensive knowledge.
  • [33:00]: “I'm saying they're taking a year off. They're speeding it up. I don't want doctors who got through on Cliff's notes.”

• Humorous Analogies:

  • John and Bret use humor to emphasize their points, likening the accelerated medical program to unbelievable quick cooking methods.
  • [43:05]: “You gotta be blown away. You're a crazy person.”

• Discussion on Standards and Commitment:

  • Emphasizing the importance of a rigorous education, John believes that longer training periods ensure better preparedness and dedication.
  • [34:06]: “I want doctors that know it's a long haul. I like doctors that aren't trying to speed up the process.”

• Counterarguments and Rebuttals:

  • Bret suggests that accelerated programs could maintain quality through stringent selection processes, but John remains unconvinced, fearing compromise on essential training elements.
  • [45:25]: “If they got their graduation done in two years, but still, I don't even like knocking a year off. I'm adding years.”

Notable Quotes:

• [37:21]: “How comfortable are you wandering into the doctor's office at 21 when they're that young? It scares me.”
• [44:35]: “We’re microwaving our doctoring thing. Have standards. Children gotta explain everything to everybody around here.”

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Conclusion

This episode of "Holmberg's Morning Sickness" masterfully intertwines John Holmberg’s heartfelt experiences with community service and his passionate stance on maintaining rigorous standards in medical education. Through engaging storytelling and candid discussions with his co-hosts, John not only sheds light on the pressing issues within Arizona but also inspires listeners to reflect on their roles in fostering a compassionate and competent community.

Key Takeaways:

• Community Engagement: Personal involvement in missions like Operation Hydration can profoundly impact one’s perspective and highlight the importance of supporting those in need.
• Education Standards: Maintaining rigorous standards in professional training, especially in critical fields like medicine, is essential to ensure quality and competency.
• Balanced Perspective: While acknowledging the urgent needs in the community, it’s crucial to balance efficiency with depth to achieve sustainable and meaningful results.

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Notable Moments:

• Emotional Recognition: John’s recognition by individuals during the water drive illustrates the genuine connections formed through community service. [04:30]
• Debate on Medical Education: The lively debate between John and Bret provides an entertaining yet insightful exploration of the implications of accelerated medical programs. [30:23]

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For more engaging discussions and heartfelt stories, tune in to "Holmberg's Morning Sickness" on 98KUPD weekdays from 5:30 AM to 10 AM, or visit www.98kupd.com.

Transcript

[John Holmberg]

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[Dick Toledo]

You thought that was funny?

[Brett]

You were laughing like a hyena when he said it.

[John Holmberg]

What the hell is wrong with you? PD Good. Good morning everybody. Hello there. Welcome to Wednesday. It's 5:45. This is the morning sickness. My name's John, There's Brett, there's Brady, there's Toledo. Went the other way this morning. How you doing? It is gloriously hot outside today and it's going to keep going that way. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's beautiful. I have got to say, as I start my day, the only thing I've been thinking about since yesterday afternoon when I left this place. Oops, sorry. I was going to say, wow, you really left this place. Yeah, they're still. You can still hear me leaving. I went out yesterday with McFeely and Heather from our sales department and Amy, and we went out with the. The people from Phoenix Rescue Mission, Operation Hydration, everything you do on Thursday to get the water and all you guys donating water and stuff. And this is. This was eye opening. We went to Brett Brace herself, Maryvale. Oh my. Right by. And Brett, I got out of my car in Maryvale, right by the Brewers Park. Yes. It is not. It is not set you claiming home. Exactly. And we went to a couple of areas over there where, you know, some people who are in need congregate. And first things first, I. I have not been recognized in public like that in a long time. They knew me immediately. The one guy says, I know you as we're walking off. I know that guy right there. That's Holmberg. And I'm like, oh, my God. And he was awesome. He was so cool. You know, the one thing that, you know, you're told about when you go, you know, it was Sean from Phoenix Rescue Mission and a guy named Justin who is a HOPE coach. Basically, the guy goes out there, he has his own story. He was in. He was homeless for a while. He was an addict for a bit, but he straightened himself up and got better. His brother was killed. His story's remarkable. And he. He was just kind of like in charge of this whole thing. So we. We walked up to people who were out in the street. I lasted 45 minutes, and I love the heat. I lasted 45 minutes where they were, which was sitting under. When you're stationary in the heat, it attacks you. These people didn't have anywhere to go. And they were, you know, there's a couple places you can stop and whatever. And even Justin said, hey, some of these folks first, he'd warned you. He goes, hey, you might see some drug stuff or actually them using, so just don't. Don't bat an eye. Don't say anything. It might happen. And we didn't. But, you know, he says, unless offered. Right, Right. If. Yeah, if you want some, it's right here. But it was. It was unreal. And then just hearing the stories of the people and there were two. Two different spots we stopped where there was three or Four guys sitting in the shade. They had their pets, they had jobs. You know, it was eye opening to, to see that it, you know, that it wasn't, you know, just, I'm not trying. Like they were trying. They're in trouble and they're trying. One guy's girlfriend kicked him out and he lost his job the same week because he kind of lost his cool, you know, after his girlfriend kicked him out. He wasn't exactly 100% normal. His kid lives at the house, so he didn't go to work a couple of days, and he's got some problems there. And he canned him. And he said, now I got nowhere to live. And I mean, it was just the dominoes of all these things that had gone wrong. Now they will give you their life story if you ask. And it's always kind of a similar situation, which is, this happened to me. I'm not exactly their victims, right?

[Brett]

In a way.

[John Holmberg]

But in a couple of instances, I watched this Justin guy work and he walked up to people and everything changed. He's magic. He walked up to a couple guys and he goes, you know, basically he's like, you know, if you want help, it's right here in front of you. And then he said, you gotta stop blaming everybody else. And the dude just broke down and said, I need it, I want it. What do I do? And I think like this morning he's gonna go, the people that want help, it's there. And I watched it happen and it was outrageous. It was mind boggling. I won't say it was like a life, because it wasn't. But it was definitely an eye opening. Like, not so much that the, you know, people who are homeless or addicts or whatever, people on the street, I understand that plight. That's been told a million times. What I never knew was the dude who helps and what he deals with and what he does and how delicate that is. And this Justin guy, and never ending. And never ending. Justin does it every day. As often as, you know, the day is, has the sun come up. He's doing this and he's like, I do it every day and I know my way around. It was remarkable to watch him kind of visually recognize in the group which dude is going to be the one that looks at me and says, I'm.

[Brett]

Ready, I want to get out.

[John Holmberg]

Some of them don't. Some of them like the life. Some of them are like, this is, this is for me. Like, I'll get my money, I'll do my thing. And this is for me. I'm also shocked at how many of them have pets. And the pets are the most important thing in their lives. And they're actually, when I walked up yesterday, they were being. The pets are being treated so much better than they're treating themselves or anyone around them. It was amazing. So I just wanted to start it all off by saying what we're doing when we do the water drive and what we do, Operation Hydration. I have now seen firsthand how that works, and it's remarkable. Nobody, and I mean nobody could walk up to that and still have the same losers. That attitude is. Is gone when you humanize the issue. And I'm guilty of that as anybody else is. And there are bad people, there are losers, there are people taking advantage of stuff, but not everybody. And it's easy to throw a blanket over that and it's easy to drive by it. And also the other thing, it was like when I went on my cop ride along, it's places I drive by, and I wouldn't have seen it had I not gotten out of the car and had Justin go, come with me. And then you realize there's 40 people just sitting around in a park that I would have not even seen that.

[Brett]

You're thinking, oh, they're just hanging out at a park.

[John Holmberg]

No. You know, immediately, like if you drove by, you probably wouldn't even notice there's anyone at the park. They're invisible until you're like, look. Until someone says, look. And I'm like, oh, my God, when did that. I. I don't know how many times I've driven by 52nd street in the overpass and whatever. And yesterday I noticed that there's probably 30 or 40. What the hell is going on with this machine? It is. I don't know what's happening with this thing. It's doing its own. It is terrible, though. It is terrible seeing them over. You know what happened? It was. You know what happened was the. It was. That's Gomer Dave put in a new system over here. And it is feather light to the touch. So if I actually bump this thing, something's going to happen. You're going to hear, gomer babies. All I have to do is brush my finger on. Anyway, so I started to kind of. It was the exact same thing as when I went on my police ride along. Is my police ride along with my cop buddy Ben at dusk. Said, you feel that? I'm like, what? And he goes, sun just went down. He goes, you're going to start seeing stuff. And I'M like, what? He goes, the city changes at night. And I'm like, really? And these places that I'd driven by a million times that I'd looked in and I'd seen, and with my own eyes, I'd looked into the parking lots and I just drove by, and then he took me in there, and I'm like, where'd all these people come from? It's like Field of Dreams. I'm like, there's a hundred people here. I've driven by this every day. Where? And he goes, they're here every day. I'm like, what? I've driven past this every day, and I have not seen this.

[Brett]

Like, your eyes are opened the first time.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Your eyes don't care to see it. You got your own stuff going on here, your own responsibilities. And I'm not saying, you know, go out and look around for it. You know, live your life, do your thing. But when you're out with the intention of saying, where is it? You find it. And it's easy to find. And it's everywhere. And I couldn't believe it, because I would have driven past both of these places and not seen these guys. I literally would have not seen them. And there they were. And you walk up, and it was unbelievable. And not so much that there is a homeless thing or there is a. A drug thing or their. That I know. I know it exists. What I didn't know was the delicacy of the work that gets done when these guys come up and, man, did they need water. That it is a weird. Do you guys want water? Was like, who wants a million dollars? The reaction was, you know, the bass feeding the pro shops. Yeah, it was that.

[Brett]

It's like that.

[John Holmberg]

They've got cold water. The fountains at the parks, they shut them off to keep these guys from hanging around. It's crazy. He's like, yeah, that one barely works. And when it does, it's just all hot, hot. Yeah. And he said, and there's nothing you can do. And he said, we'll take it. But when you. You bring them, what you gotta warn them. Don't guzzle this too fast. It'll make you sick. Because they don't have it. So it was. It was less of a gosh, guys, we have it. So Larry texted me last night. He goes, have you been thinking all day of how fortunate you are and how amazing it is? I'm like, no, I appreciate that every day. Yeah, that's not so. I didn't. I don't look at the downtrodden and say, golly, I'm lucky. I know I've. I worked for it. But I also know the other side exists. It doesn't change my existence. And. But this. This made me realize what we've done, and I've been negligent on my part for the last two decades to never go out. And you guys should do this, never go out with these people and see what the end result is. To never actually walk up with the water that's being donated and say, hey, guys, this is it. And when they recognize me, it's even worse. The one dude's like, pantera's coming, right? I'm like, you go into that. Come on, man. And I'm like, I'm. You know, you're just talking to people like they're people you don't realize. Like, yeah, it's gonna be a tough one for me, but, yeah, I'll try. I'm gonna. If I can get back on my feet by August. Do you know what? That's one of my. And I'm like, all right. Unreal. It was unreal. And watching these people work, I just have to immediately start this show by tipping my cap to Justin and everybody like him. Sean and the people at Phoenix Rescue Mission for letting me go. It's intimidating to the people to have an army of six or seven folks wandering up, you know, for no reason at all. These do gooders that are coming at you. But when we said, who wants water? And you know what else we had that they could not get enough of? Wilderness Athlete hydration packs to add to the water. They know what it is. They know it makes them feel better. They were, like, thrilled by it. They were pouring it in there immediately. And I'm like, man, this stuff is gold.

[Brett]

It's just one day, too. Imagine gone before we left.

[John Holmberg]

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[John Holmberg]

53342 Homeburg's morning sickness giving them 2,3 bottles at a time. So seeing this lobby all packed with water, what changed is my perspective of what's going on here in the summertime with Operation Hydration and what you guys do when you donate and all the good that it does. I, I didn't, I didn't. I mean this is, this is essentially me putting my money where my mouth is and kind of following up. And I'm not. Look, trust me, this is not something that I'm going to go do on a regular basis as far as that. But it did. I don't have that heart.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You know, I just don't have that. Would I do it if they asked me? Want to come help? Sure. But I don't think I have that, that drive to do it. I was, I was floored by basically the intricacies and delicacy of how to approach the situation and what they need and if you, if and how fast they tell you we need water, like now, like water is the most important thing. Nobody's sitting there going, you got money? They want water. It was weird. Now. Yes. Will they take money? Oh yeah. But when you said do you want water? Hands just flew in the air and I was blown away. And it did. It kind of made me. And so yesterday, driving back, went here by the new Circle k up on 52nd street, and. And I looked over and I'm like, have you guys ever seen this before? And there were probably 25 people under that bridge. Whereas before I'd see, oh, there's homeless, you know, a few homeless people. But it was just a line of them. That tent thing that they just broke up on the. On ramp. Getting on to the 202. That's moved over by the Marriott here.

[Brett]

It ebbs and flows.

[John Holmberg]

It is. It is when your eyes kind of go, hey, we just saw a new color. You keep seeing that. It's like when you buy a Ford and you have never had one before and you're like, oh, that's my new Mustang. And then you start seeing them all over the road. That's what happened yesterday. I'm like, jesus, this is everywhere.

[Brett]

Waymos.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, this is. Waymos. Yeah, this is everywhere. It is. It is frighteningly all over. And I think it's our natural us, you know, every day we have our own problems. We have our own responsibilities, people. It's beyond us to sit and go, there it is again. There it is again. There it is. We look past it and should. To be honest, the way your brain is gonna go is you should. And I'm not trying to make everybody feel like you're not doing enough, but if you drop off water, somebody else will help with this. That's the thing that I think we all have.

[Brett]

There's so many people that have done it in the. Over the years and do it every year.

[John Holmberg]

It. It goes to work. I watched it work and I. And I was. That changed me. That part changed me. It isn't about me being like, I'm going to get involved. And I'm. No, because that to me, is the same as these marches. I made a sign. I put it on Facebook. Look at me. That's not what I'm doing. I'm saying, look at what this does. And I know, realistically, I'm not the guy that's going to go out here all the time. Suddenly, I'm not a changed man, is going to go out every day. I'm not that person. But what I am is a person who says, I know there are people out there who can. Who have this, and all we need to do is support that and give them what they need. And man, oh, man, it's amazing. And so, no, I'm not saying I'm Pollyanna now, and this is my. I want to be decent, but I know this will fade. I'm a realist. I know that this feeling of, like, oh, I don't do enough, it will fade. But there are people who do. There are places who do. And I watched them yesterday. And your part. Because you're busy people. You have jobs, you have kids, you have lives. You have, you know, of your own crap. Everybody's got their own crap going on. Last thing you need to do is burden yourself with more people's stuff. But if you can drop off a little, there are people who do the job for us that are remarkable human beings. And all we have to do, it does make a difference. That's basically what I'm saying. And you don't have to be the one doing it. You don't have to feel bad about not doing it. Frankly, I would be bad at it if I. If from what I saw yesterday, I haven't lived that life. I think people who have been through it are the ones who have to do it. They have to communicate it, because that's what that Justin guy was doing. And it was. He. He was. He had an aura about it. It was crazy. It was a. I watched it work. I watched it work.

[Brett]

It was definitely have to be a people person.

[John Holmberg]

You have to be their people. Yeah, Being a social butterfly will get you ignored. Wandering up there like you're Mr. Energy and, hey, folks, is you're gonna get ignored. Did you guys walk around with, like, a big yeti or something? I mean, how did you guys do it again? An unintimidating bag. Okay? One of those lunch bags that's got the silver inside of it. It keeps things cool. And he had it full of water and little, like, cleaning packs. I guess they would be like, you know, hygiene packets of soap and, like, a sanitizer and a little towel. And like. And it was. You know, you have to approach carefully. You can't just go, hey, everybody, we're with blah, blah, blah. And we're so happy, because that's about you. That's about you exuding your energy.

[Brett]

Look what I'm doing.

[John Holmberg]

You go up and match their energy. You go up and match that room. How's everybody doing today? You guys all right? And it was. And it. And you. And you can't just wander into those situations. They're suspect of everyone. But when the guy came by and said, you got water? Got this. They don't. They don't ask, who are you? Who are you with? Here's another person walking up on them and they're worried about, you know, they're worried about a lot. You know, not, not all of them are great people, right? Not all of them are sitting there with like, you know, sunshine and roses and bad luck. Some of them are worried, especially with my bald ass wandering towards them. That's a cop. You know, it's a good thing you grab that mustache. If I had that spring mustache, I'd have scattered that place like lights and roaches. But it was, it was, you know, again, I'm not trying to say we've got to do more. Come on. I, I'm, you know, you're talking to the cynic here. It was amazing. But, yeah, I don't, I look at these, I look at these Facebook demonstrations and all this stuff. Like, I got back, I'm going to be involved. And I'm mad at President Trump and I'm mad at President Biden and I'm mad at this. I always say to those people, go to a city council meeting and start objecting to laws being passed and things that are actually happening. If you want to make a difference, rather than posting a picture of your kick ass new poster board sign that you made and then you walked around and I'm a difference maker. Good for you. Did you do anything? No. And this was actually getting something done. It's so much more than a Facebook. Look at me and I, and we had pictures and whatever and we'll probably put a couple up there just to show the humanity of what was going. But this, I told him, I'm like, I don't want to follow you guys around all that, because then that starts to become about, KUPD did this. We're not doing anything. We literally aren't doing anything. I tagged along with the people who really need the credit, and that was the Phoenix rescue mission. And yesterday's thing was Justin the Hope coach. That was unreal to watch that. This guy says it's all in the person. I was homeless for four years, and when I stopped blaming other people and took control, it changed. Now I'm married with kids and a good job, and that's amazing. It's right there in front of you and you see the ones that want to stay, don't bother. Give them some water, help them out. They're humans that are like, look, I'm in this situation and currently right now, I don't want out of it. And then you see the ones that, that look at you like, are you here to get me out? And, and you're not Their rescue. You're not there and they know it. Oh, it was, it was. It was. It was. It was a strange human test I had never been through.

[Brett]

You hear that story, the one you just read and you just can't. I can't even picture. I can't even, you know, fathom that. That. Yeah, that's what they need to realize that, look, this guy was there. There is a way out. Because when you get right, that was up to you. That low level.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Sometimes you just feel like, oh, there's. I'm trapped. There's no way they are trapped.

[John Holmberg]

Then they trap themselves. In majority of cases, the trap was set by themselves and it's a matter of undoing that trap and slowly climbing out of it. But they're, you know, this one says, got your message loud and clear, John. Donate that water. Also, don't go to Maryvale. Well, that's been true the whole time. Look, there's no reason for anybody in their right mind to do what I did yesterday. This is not. This is not a moment to go say, hey, wander up to, you know.

[Brett]

Wanted to peek in.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you go with somebody who knows what they're doing. Do not just wander up to these guys who are sitting, you know, in the shade of a park and, you know, it was nerve wracking. One dude looked like business. Most of them were very kind and, you know, wanting and accepting of all the charity and all that. And there was a dude I kept my eye on yesterday, where I'm like, that guy is seconds away from snapping. One of the guys I talked to yesterday had his dog and I said, they had their little dog. I was proud of him. I said, you know, I'm happy your dogs look well fed and they've got the little booties on. I said, if they didn't have the booties, I'd pick this dog up right away for this. This whole day would change. And it's not about helping you, it's about getting this dog. And he goes, yeah. He said, mine got stolen. So his little group of guys would share dog booties when they'd have to walk their dogs because the ground's so hot. And he said, so somebody stole mine. He goes, you know, that happens here. He goes, people just wander up and take. And he said, and some of the people that, you know, aren't so great come and grab all this stuff and they just live with that all the time. Again, this is. This is not to make you feel like, gosh, everybody's had a rough go that's not the case. A lot of the majority of these people put themselves in this spot. Decision making in their lives had placed them in this position. That's fact. Getting out of it is different. And whether they want to or not is a different story. That's not up for me to decide. That's their choice. That's their decision to find help. But, man, oh, man, watching that happen yesterday, there's a guy named Dominic, who you could tell by his eyes, the second he came, he goes, you work at the radio. And I said, yeah. And he goes, that's so cool. And he said. And then he started to give me his life story, and it was all kind of victim stuff. And then he said, I gotta get out of here, man. And I'm like, there's your guy. Like, Justin's your guy. He goes, no, I'm not kidding, man. This is not for me. I've only been out here for two weeks, and it's just horrifying. And I'm like, all right, you're leaning on the right, dude. I said, that guy right there. And they have a meeting today. He's gonna. He's like, I'll come back. And he said, you call me. And that was the cool thing. He said, you. You get in contact with me and make me know you're serious about this. And he gave him a car. And he said, call me. He said, I'm not gonna do it right here. I'm not gonna. Just rescue. Call me. Let's make this happen. He goes, I'm doing it. And I'm like. And I told him. I said, now it's up to you, right? He goes, it's all up to me. It's always been up to me. And that's when Justin said, those are the ones that, you know, you can. You can help. It was amazing. Yeah, it's literally amazing. And not because of anything I did or not because, like, golly, I've seen it now. It's all different. No, it's all the same. But I just wanted to let everybody know that all those donations and all that stuff you're doing when you help out or when you pop by the Safeway with bread on Thursday, or you drop it off here at the station or drop it off at Dr. Jay Schwartz @ Schwartz Laser Island. He's doing the water drive. I don't care who it's for. It helps. And it's. Man, it's remarkable. It took my words of, we're the fifth largest city. Nobody should ever be in trouble. For lack of water to a different level for me, because it's like, holy crap, there. There's a need for this beyond what I'd been saying. It's more than words. To quote extreme.

[Dick Toledo]

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[John Holmberg]

Holmberg's morning sickness. So to start the whole day off with a little bit of one of those. And so less farts and less that stuff and more of like a thank you is really what this is because you guys are doing. We're only three weeks into this thing, so we can already say thanks because our lobby is jam packed with water. And that stuff will be gone after what I watched yesterday, that our lobby of a million bottles that are sitting in that lobby. That's week and a half crazy. Maybe. Maybe crazy. So just indulge me for a second and thank you for doing so. But thank you and thank you, Brett, for getting up and driving over to Maryvale. Now that I've been. I've never gotten out of my car in Maryvale. Yeah, I have never done it. When we went up, we were going up 51st Avenue and I'm like, oh, hey, we're in Maryvale. And I realized where we were when we went by the brewers park. And I even told the guys from the Phoenix Rescue Mission. I'm like, first and foremost, I don't know who picked the location and I said, I normally don't like helping anybody this close to anything that has a Brewers logo on it, because the brewers, yuck. And he started laughing and the one guy's like, I didn't. You know, I didn't even know what that all was. He's not a baseball fan. He goes, I moved here and there's like spring training this, and I didn't even know what it was. He goes, it's a big deal around here. He goes, we're in. We've got to deal with the brewers because this area gets so packed full of stuff. Like you're in Maryvale and like, everybody here needs something. It was crazy. So great job, KUPD audience. Always the best. And this is my way of tipping my cap back at you guys. I've seen it in action, and if you did want to help out and you did want to volunteer, that's great. But, you know, it's a delicate dance and I watched it happen yesterday and it was pretty remarkable. So thank you. The water is going to all the right places. Now that aside from all you've done great and wonderful things out of the Farts. Back to the Farts. Yes, Back to the Fart show. Now it's all back to the Fart show. The wonderful Fart show starts now. Let's. In fact. Yeah, let's, let's. There we go. Now we're back. Now the Fart show begins. That little moment I had there was lovely and all that, blah, blah, blah. But we're here for one reason and one reason only. And even the guys I ran into yesterday love the show, man. It gets me through. It's. Cause it's about the Fart. The Fart show has returned. Sarah, the Fart show's got a heart. It's the fart with a heart. But yeah, it was pretty fun.

[Brett]

Scoop of beans every morning.

[John Holmberg]

That's right, we are. Your bean. Your bean soup. It was pretty great. Anyway, so on top. It's hard to transition from that because it did kind of make me go. I just wanted to tell everybody. I'm like, this was so amazing. This was so cool. Anyway, I'm just. I was really kind of blown away by the efforts of the people I was with. Okay, back to the Farts now. Let's talk farts. Bert, I did see last night that U of A is offering. They're offering a. In order to tackle the fact that we have a medical professional shortage, they're now offering a three year course to become a doctor. I could shave a year off at least four or five. It takes six or seven years to be a doctor. And they're like, let's get him. Let's, let's, let's turn and burn here.

[Brett]

They can get you out in three to get to start your internship or whatever.

[John Holmberg]

Start doctoring. Primary doctor after three years of U of A. Give me a stethoscope. Let's do this. So right now, if I wanted to start at U of A, the school by 2028, I could be your doctor. You. You of a. It needs to take seven years. It should. And it has to do not speed that process up. It's not Ted's hot dogs. I don't want a whole slew of them ready for order. Three years to tackle Arizona's doctor shortage. And they're like, it's a program the university is looking at to fast track students to being doctors, specifically primary physicians. You get students into training sooner. No, no, no, no, no. I don't need them in training sooner. In fact, the last couple doctors I've been to, I'd have liked them to go back to school for a couple more years.

[Brett]

Look, when you go and you become a doctor, you declare that major you're. You're going two or three years of just regular class until you don't. So I can understand like, man, if you could go right into the. Because it's really three years of.

[John Holmberg]

More and more training. Doctoring is real stuff. The only time I say you need to actually go to college is doctors and teachers. Doctors and teachers are the only ones that actually should and engineers and that should know their product and all the other stuff that surrounds it. I'm glad doctors take so long. It weeds out the ones that are like, this isn't for me. I like it to be a grind. You know, it took me seven years. The ones who stick to it want to be doctors. If it took three years, you'll get some people like, meh, it's only three years. I'll get through this. If it takes seven years and costs an exorbitant amount of money, you're going to get better people that way. Don't make it cheap and don't make it faster. I don't need doctors who got through on Cliff's notes. Have even meet doctors and like, they're the ones who wanted to do this. If you stick out to seven years, it's proof. College is just to see if you, you know, employers look to say, did he stick out the four years? Did he do it? Did he finish they don't care if you were good at it or not. Unless you're doing something important. You got your whatever. Communications degree.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Worthless, honestly. But what it shows is. And the first you were willing to do it. Yeah.

[Brett]

I mean, basically it's. You have to declare your major.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Brett]

And then, you know, in the medical school the first year, I forget the dropout rate because it's hard. Right? Because. So why not be able to just dive into and find out if you can cut the mustard?

[John Holmberg]

Are you not hearing, though, that if you speed it up for them, the.

[Brett]

People that are not really speeding.

[John Holmberg]

Three years is four off the. Off the norm. Does that. Is that just med school or does that include your degree to become a doctor after three years on the U of A program? That's not the way it works. And regular school, like podiatrist or something or like a heart surgeon come on.

[Brett]

To go through three regular college years. And then the three.

[John Holmberg]

I want it to be the same. I want doctors to have to look at a long haul. Because if they're not willing to put in the work and they're not willing to go through the. The gauntlet that makes them a doctor of six or seven years. And if they can fast track, they'll become doctors. Whether I got through it real quick, I, you know, there. There has to be a harder path to becoming a physician than there does becoming a communications major. They can't be the same. It's easy to be a communications or business. We don't even have it. It's like getting a master's. It's like, look, I got the thing that all the dummies got. Now I'm gonna put in the extra time. Cause I really want this. That's being a doctor. Make it harder.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I don't want a lawyer who went to school for a couple years and fast track through. I want a dude who did it for five, six, seven years and really said no. I knew day one, I wanted to be one, and I knew it was a long haul. And I'm going to take the harder path. The easier path makes a worse doctor.

[Dick Toledo]

Right. So what you're saying is you want to go in and see the doctor who you're like, I see you at.

[Brett]

Dutch Brothers last week a couple of years ago.

[John Holmberg]

I know you, bro. Yeah. Got out real fast. I'm like, I don't like this.

[Dick Toledo]

I was on the fast track to get my medical degree.

[John Holmberg]

If you went to the doctor today, Brady. And he's like, yeah, I got out in like Two years, bro. Like, doesn't it take longer? I thought so, but I'm out. What's your issue? You got a fever or something?

[Brett]

I had a doctor that said, I got out in eight years, bro. Yeah, I'd be wondering the same thing.

[John Holmberg]

They all get out in eight years.

[Brett]

That's the guy. The doctor addresses me like that. I'm like, I don't know about this doctor.

[John Holmberg]

Get used to it. Because if your way goes forward and there's a bunch of three year guys who got, you know, MCC doctors that go, yeah, I got out in two years. I got my associates. But Dr. MCC doctor is a terrible bandit. So leader needs to send his kid back down there. Yeah. I mean, hell, think about it. Yeah, he could have a doctor. I want it to be intimidating. I want the walls to be a doctor to be high and hard to climb. I don't like that. They're like, you know, we always complain about the firefighters. Make it easier for a woman to be a firefighter than a man. They don't have to pass the same test, same deal. I want a doctor that took a long time to be a doctor, that went through all the years, all the years. Not the guy who said, you know, it's a three year plan. It was really simple. It's like art college. You can go to the one on the back of a matchbook or you can go to a real one. One is more prestigious than the other three year doctor. U of A. You're out of your mind. Instead of the more traditional four plus Arizona Board of Regents approved. Approved a three year path to medical degrees. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

[Brett]

You're gonna have to qualify for it.

[John Holmberg]

Sure, that's fine. I still want them to look at this and say, this is going to be hard. This is going to take up my time. Do I have this? Am I really going to commit to, like you said, the dropout rates the first year.

[Brett]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Because they're looking at six or seven more years of just this.

[Brett]

But three of those years are doing or two of them.

[John Holmberg]

And we're talking about speeding all that up.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And that's included. So then we do that plus the.

[Brett]

Doctor stuff just out of that.

[John Holmberg]

No, it's not the same thing. They're shortening it. They're making it easier. I don't want that. I don't want doctors to have an easier road. I don't think anybody does. You get into radio in less time than that. Exactly. And we skipped a bunch of steps. You don't need to know everything about, you know, the heart. You're not going to be doing anything with that. Nope. I don't like it. I don't like a dentist that went to, you know, the overseas. We always laugh at that stuff. Oh, we went to the University of, you know, Haiti or he went to the doctor and got his. He was a doctor in a year and a half. That's laughable. That's not right. No longer. In fact, add a couple of years. Make them. I don't like doctors. That, and this is the other thing. Brady. You go to college when you're 18. How comfortable are you wandering in to the doctor's office? The kid's 21. It's already intimidating when the doctor's a lot younger than you. Now he's like 21, 22.

[Brett]

Doogie Howser.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but he better be Doogie Howser. You're putting a spin on it that he was an automatic genius. You don't have to be anymore. The old days, you get out of doctor in school in three years, it's because you were an Indian who was just absolutely unbelievable. That's not the case anymore. Now you're Toledo's kid. Oh, exactly. We're dead. Exactly. Dead. And nothing about being a doctor was intimidating because the timeline didn't scare him.

[Dick Toledo]

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[John Holmberg]

Holmberg's morning sickness. I want my doctors in doctor school for overkill. In fact, it's silly to think of doctors that are, you know, I got in, I got out. Guys who remember Dr. Lexis and Idiocracy. One of his lines was it almost sound like a dick. But I did go to school for two years and it was a laugh line because now he's a doctor. No, the line from Tommy boy when he said, you know, I was in school for seven years. He goes, yeah, a lot of people go to school for seven years. They're called doctors. We want our doctors to have long runs. I don't want short, quick ins and outs. Scares me. This one says it's okay, John. It's a competitive thing. They're only taking 36 applicants. Yeah. Now until they're like, hey, this is working. Don't think business, college and college are different. College is going to be like, holy cow. A lot of people applying for the quick hit. Doctoring 32 turns into 60 turns into everybody. There's a bunch of people saying that it is after your four year undergrad. That's not what this said. Didn't go right in. Well, I hope people. Yeah, I'm. I don't know, I'm just. Yeah, because if it's after your four year undergrad, then it's like seven years instead of eight. What a normal. So you're knocking a year off, but still I don't even like knocking a year off. I'm adding years. I want doctors to go to school for 18 years. That's what I want. I want them to be a full infant to graduation, 18 year run and then you can be a real doctor. I like doctors to be like head coaches in football. When they hire him too young, I just think, oh boy, this is no good. I need some life like a president. You have to be a certain age to be president. 40 something. Yeah. I don't like you being a doctor in your 20s and 30s. You're too big a dummy. Proctologist seems to be the only route. That one. I don't want to go to school for seven years. That's for Toledo's kid. He said that's what it said on the top there. It does. I just caught that. Toledo's kid can be a proctologist. The only route. That's true. He's qualified now. And there's a few like Michael and Troy could be doctors of proctology based solely on their life experience with that area. They go in with knowledge. This is like just like from the movie Snatched. Get me an old Jewish doctor. Absolutely. If I went to an accountant and he was you, Brady. And he said, I didn't go to school for 14 months to be an accountant for nothing. I'm leaving. I need my accountant to be older, very Jewish. And his hands are worn to a nub from all the pencils he used to have to use because he still doesn't like computers. I like grizzled doctors. I like doctors that look old. I don't need a hip doctor that's telling me about how he went out last night. Bring me Quincy. Quincy. Perfect. Perfect. Doogie Howser was a comedy kid. Doctor. You walk into a room, you're like, I'm not feeling good. I think I've got something terrible going on. And he's looking at. And he's just like, man, I'm 19. Like, nope, that's it. We're done here. Go get your dad or your grandfather. I like doctors to be about 45. Plus, they don't like it otherwise. I had enough trouble that one of my doctors for my hip surgery's last name was Jakobsky. I don't need a doctor with a joke name either. He's been. He's been through too much. Think of all the teasing he had to deal with. And now he's got a knife and anesthesia. This dude's gonna snap someday. He's like, payback, motherfucker. I don't. I don't. I like the names. I can't pronounce it. Look, their names look like an Alphabet. That's the way it should be. I don't want dentists to go to on the fast. I don't want anybody fast tracking medical anything. Don't tell me you're speeding it up. Tell me. You know what we're adding a couple more years. We're gonna make this tougher. Doctors aren't good anymore, and all we do is complain about how doctors aren't what they. You know, they're not as attentive and their bedside banner stinks. And they come and they go real fast. And you pay for this and you pay for that, and they don't know what they're doing. Come on. No, no, no, no, no. I said put it in Brady's terms. John, he's not understanding. Tell Brady to smoke a brisket for 35 minutes and tell me how good it is. That's exactly right.

[Brett]

They can do that.

[John Holmberg]

You can smoke a brisket in 35 minutes.

[Brett]

There's a couple of different Feels like.

[John Holmberg]

Let Me ask you this. Are you smoking a brisket in 35 minutes or you're going to do the old way where it takes a whole day, which is better?

[Brett]

Don't be a contrarian. I haven't had the. There's a new thing that is out that this oven is almost like an instant pot.

[John Holmberg]

Do you want a 35 minute smoked brisket or do you prefer if it's the Bravo and loaves? Stop it. You love the idea of putting something in today and eating it tomorrow.

[Brett]

Here's what you're assuming, though not to your. That everyone can just get into this three year medical.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not assuming anything.

[Brett]

You have to test into this.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying the school is offering it.

[Brett]

Yeah, but what if that program is just as good as the seven years?

[John Holmberg]

It's already not. I guarantee it.

[Brett]

How do you know?

[John Holmberg]

Because a 35 minute brisket's not going to be as good as a one day one.

[Brett]

I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

Yes, you do. Put it. Put it in there for 35 minutes, take it out and eat it.

[Brett]

Well, I will.

[John Holmberg]

You would. You will smoke a brisket for 35 minutes today in your smoker and my older. That's right. My point being this isn't a different system, it's just a faster one.

[Brett]

Well, the doctors.

[John Holmberg]

Would you microwave so many technologies right.

[Brett]

Now with the AI, Would you. They're not even doing the surgery. They're just basically.

[John Holmberg]

Would you microwave a brisket?

[Brett]

Would I microwave a brisket?

[John Holmberg]

I know the answer.

[Brett]

No.

[John Holmberg]

No. That's what I'm saying. We're microwaving our doctoring thing.

[Brett]

But people were that way when microwaves came.

[John Holmberg]

Right. And they were probably right. The food's not as good, is it?

[Brett]

That depends on what.

[John Holmberg]

You went to a restaurant right now and they said we microwave our steaks. Would you stay or pay $80 a steak?

[Brett]

Unless.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Brett]

Unless someone comes up with a brain.

[John Holmberg]

No one has. If you go to steak 44 and they say got a great microwave.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Are you like you're charging $100 for a microwave steak?

[Brett]

This guy is saying it's just as.

[John Holmberg]

Good as anything at stake 44. If they brought you right now, that.

[Brett]

Technology is not there.

[John Holmberg]

We're not talking technology being there. We're talking about speeding things up. You would eat a microwave steak as fast as a steak 44. Steak.

[Brett]

Listen.

[John Holmberg]

You would eat a microwave steak as fast as a steak 44. That's your argument right now. I don't know if you even know if you're making it. But you're saying it's not my argument. All right, you're saying technology must change.

[Brett]

Your argument is saying that you can't change that time is what's required.

[John Holmberg]

Time is. Time is a massively important part.

[Brett]

Three year time period, if you could.

[John Holmberg]

Do that, is a massively important part.

[Brett]

You don't want to graduate school in two years. They did all the prerequisite requisites and everything. If all. They got their graduation done in two years.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, still don't. If they didn't earn degree. If they didn't shrink the criterion to make it so they could get out.

[Brett]

Faster, they didn't shrink it.

[John Holmberg]

I'm saying they are. They're taking a year off. They're speeding it up.

[Brett]

How do you know they're not taking out the.

[John Holmberg]

I know. You're right. Microwave steaks are delicious. You would. I know you enough to know that you're arguing for the sake of argument. You know, a microwave steak's not better than.

[Brett]

But I know that. And you know, I don't know the three year medical. You know a doctor banking that same.

[John Holmberg]

Let me ask you this. If you go to the doctor today and one guy says, I was out in three years because they had a program that got me out faster. Are you a genius? Oh, no, no. They did. I went to a faster. I went to MCC and got my degree. It's faster. Much faster program. And then a guy comes up from Harvard Medical School and said, I was there for nine years. Who you leaning on?

[Brett]

Yeah, the. The Harvard guy.

[John Holmberg]

Thank you. That's all. That's all I'm saying. It's a cruddy system.

[Brett]

So you know this system doesn't work.

[John Holmberg]

I know it's not as good.

[Brett]

Medical school.

[John Holmberg]

I know it's not as good.

[Brett]

It hasn't been done yet. You're already saying done it.

[John Holmberg]

I like doctors that know it's a long haul. I like doctors that aren't trying to speed up the process. Yes, very much so. I love it. In fact, I want them to go and I'm going to go back to school for some more doctoring. I don't want a guy who goes, I got out so fast it was ridiculous. My head was spinning. I got a lot of information in my head I may or may not have absorbed.

[Brett]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

I want a dude who took his time. That's more important to me than getting out fast. A dude who took his time. Time. Much like this guy says, put it in your food if it's you know Noodles. Brett Ragu. It's faster. It's available. Is it better than the time and effort it takes to make sauce? Thank you. Sometimes speeding things up isn't better. Most of the time it's not. Most of the time going sex. Let's get through this quickly. Honey, I figured out a way to make this happen real quick. Oh. Oh, I see. Yep. You're gonna. You're gonna be blown away. And we're done. Wasn't that wonderful? We got things to do now. You're a crazy person.

[Brett]

Just like mail, I want it slower, more efficient. Amazon Prime. Quicker is better.

[John Holmberg]

And I'm not saying it's black and white.

[Brett]

They figured out a system.

[John Holmberg]

Of course that's stupid. Well, of course.

[Brett]

Convenience.

[John Holmberg]

Because it's. That's one thing we don't want to be more convenient. And fast is how people became doctors. That some things still need to be slow. Just because Amazon's fast now. Okay. I can get my doctor's degree from Amazon tomorrow.

[Brett]

Yeah, but it's not like it's a 48 hour thing.

[John Holmberg]

It's three hours. You're missing the point. Slowing down the.

[Brett]

I understand.

[John Holmberg]

Keep that hill high and hard to climb. Just like being a cop. They've made that a lot easier. Ask all the cops. We got a bunch of unqualified cops out there now. They sped up the Pro. Anytime you speed up a process that's supposed to take time, you're. You're cutting corners. It's called cutting corners for a reason, Brett. I'm gonna go hang out with the drug addicts. They're a better conversation. Crying out loud, he tried to argue that he'd eat a microwave steak for a few seconds if the technology was better. You're crazy. You're lying to yourself. 30 minute steak versus that beautiful thing on a grill.

[Brett]

I haven't seen it done yet.

[John Holmberg]

Because it doesn't exist. And you know it wouldn't. And you'd be skeptical immediately, like I am of this. If I invited you over and said, I got an awesome microwave. We're gonna microwave some beef. You'd be like, this is gonna be gross. You're judgy at people's houses with their food. I've seen you. The spread was meh.

[Richard Karn]

They microwaved the steaks.

[John Holmberg]

No, you don't want that. What is it? What do they call it on the thing? The. When you're the slow and low.

[Brett]

When you smoke.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Cooking meat. You take pride in that, don't you? You take a lot of pride in how long it took you, don't you? Although just answer that question.

[Brett]

Listen, I'll answer my question. The pellet smoke that I have.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Takes. Doesn't take necessarily as long as far as setting up. It speeds up the process.

[John Holmberg]

But you like there's guys that will.

[Brett]

Swear by they'd rather just make their own fire. Put real. Put their chunks of chips in there. This just made it more convenient.

[John Holmberg]

Said much like a 35 minute brisket's gonna get you sick. So does a three year doctor. Don't let it happen, Brady. Higher standards. That's what I'm saying. Have standards. Children gotta explain everything to everybody around here at 629. I'm gonna make Brady a half a brisket today. Bring it in and watch this. Watch this argument go right to crap. Come on. Admit it. On a 10,000 degree fire. Now don't think he wouldn't eat it. He would definitely eat. But there's a difference. There's a difference is what I'm saying. Let's get a wake up song. 585-9800. A good one and we'll scream it together. It's 98 KUPD. Wake up. Arizona's most powerful powerful rock radio station.