06-19-25 - Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae - Dale's Thoughts On Lakers Being Sold For 10Bil And What He'd Do For A Billionaire Wife

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona
Episode: June 19, 2025 - Guest: Former Dallas Cowboy Offensive Lineman Dale Hellestrae
Release Date: June 19, 2025
Hosted By: John Holmberg
Assisted By: Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, and Dick Toledo

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Introduction of the Guest

John Holmberg welcomes former Dallas Cowboy Offensive Lineman Dale Hellestrae back to the show, highlighting Dale's penchant for providing candid and often critical insights. The conversation begins with light-hearted banter about Dale's interactions with others and his general disposition towards things he dislikes.

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The $10 Billion Sale of the Los Angeles Lakers

The primary focus of the episode centers around the unprecedented sale of the Los Angeles Lakers for $10 billion. Dale and the hosts delve into the implications of such a monumental transaction in the sports industry.

• Dale Hellestrae expresses skepticism about the valuation:

  "I think the Cowboys have jumped up to 20, 25 [billion]." [04:38]

• John Holmberg questions the feasibility of the buyer's financial capacity:

  "What does he do? How do you get all this money?" [05:08]

Comparison with Other Sports Franchises

The discussion broadens to include comparisons with other major sports franchises, particularly the Dallas Cowboys and the St. Louis Cardinals.

• Dale points out the rarity of franchise sales outside familial ownership:

  "Very few times. Usually stays in families and all that. So when one does come up, the valuation goes out the window." [05:10]

• They also discuss the St. Louis Cardinals, suggesting that Forbes' valuation might be understated:

  "If the Cardinals are 4 billion according to Forbes, there's no possible way..." [06:00]

Scrutinizing the Lakers' Buyer

The conversation shifts to the identity and financial background of the Lakers' buyer, raising concerns about his ability to sustain such a massive investment.

• John Holmberg highlights the buyer's connection to the Dodgers and questions his net worth:

  "His personal net worth is less than 10 years. Matt Ishby has said when he wrote the check for the Sons, it was a $4 billion hit to his account." [09:23]

• Richard Karn adds context about the buyer's professional background:

  "He manages Guggenheim and Partners, which is a portfolio of 300 billion." [09:14]

Speculations on Financial Sustainability

Dale and the hosts speculate on how the buyer plans to manage such an extensive financial commitment, considering his current net worth and business obligations.

• Dale Hellestrae questions the sustainability:

  "Is he paying a mortgage on this, going to pay out over 15 years?" [09:40]

• John Holmberg expresses doubt about the accuracy of reported figures:

  "Jay Moore is rather drowning in this deal." [10:09]

Humorous Banter: What He'd Do for a Billionaire Wife

Shifting gears, the conversation takes a humorous turn as the hosts discuss what Dale would do if he were to marry a billionaire. This segment is filled with playful jabs and exaggerated scenarios.

• John Holmberg jokes about cosmetic surgeries for his billionaire wife:

  "She'll get a rhinoplasty, anything she wants. If she wants me to get a dick surgically implanted where my nose used to be, she's getting it." [11:06]

• Dale Hellestrae responds with sarcasm:

  "I want her to ask for a toupee, a nose...ladimir!" [11:14]

Personal Anecdotes and Football Memories

Dale shares personal stories from his football career, recounting intense moments on the field and rivalries that shaped his experiences.

• Dale Hellestrae reminisces about playing against Ray Childress:

  "I grabbed his face mask and tried to twist his head off. I got it around pretty good." [29:17]

• John Holmberg adds humor to the story:

  "Attempted murder has no statute of limitations." [29:35]

Commentary on Current Sports Figures

The hosts provide critical commentary on contemporary sports figures, including debates about quarterbacks and defensive players.

• John Holmberg defends Aaron Rodgers despite rumors about his personal life:

  "Football players are weirdos." [21:12]

• Dale Hellestrae discusses Kyler Murray's role in the Pittsburgh Steelers:

  "He should have been cut; he needs a shot." [30:06]

• Richard Karn and Dale Hellestrae critique other players, emphasizing the importance of performance over personal conduct.

Light-Hearted Moments and Inside Jokes

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in playful teasing and inside jokes, adding a layer of humor to the discussions.

• John Holmberg teases Dale about his appearance and social media presence:

  "If you Google Dale Holster, it'll come up. Type in hell, and you'll see Dale's face." [35:43]

• Dale Hellestray counters with jabs at the hosts:

  "You guys were taking the whole team out for ice cream. You never drove us anywhere." [21:35]

Closing Thoughts on Sports Valuations and Future Implications

As the episode nears its end, the hosts reflect on the future of sports franchise valuations and the potential impacts of such high-profile sales.

• Dale Hellestrae muses about the sustainability of multi-billion dollar franchises:

  "It's crazy. It's insane. But it can't sustain itself. I remember when they thought million-dollar players would bankrupt baseball." [17:09]

• John Holmberg draws parallels between past and present financial decisions in sports:

  "Look at Eric Dickerson; he was told he'd never make a million dollars in the NFL. Now players are making $60 million a year." [18:02]

Notable Quotes

• "What does he do? How do you get all this money?" — John Holmberg [05:08]
• "Your personal net worth is less than 10 years." — John Holmberg [09:23]
• "Football players are weirdos." — John Holmberg [21:12]
• "I give my wife some. Why not?" — John Holmberg [13:19]

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Conclusion

This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness offers a blend of serious discussions on the astronomical valuations in the sports industry, particularly the Lakers' $10 billion sale, intertwined with humor and personal anecdotes from Dale Hellestrae's football career. The hosts provide insightful critiques on current sports figures and the financial dynamics that underpin major sports franchises. For listeners interested in the intersection of sports, finance, and candid conversations, this episode delivers a comprehensive and engaging experience.

Transcript

[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellestray]

You thought that was funny? You were laughing like a hyena when he said it.

[John Holmberg]

What the hell is wrong with you? There's some seven dust everybody. That's Angel Sun. That's good stuff right there. Can't complain about that. Dale's here to complain about something. Because if it's not Dale on the radio, he hates it. But Dale is back. Dale, hell, Australia is here. Brought to you by our friends at prestige billiards. Az.com which by the way, I picked up a pool table yesterday for that rental house.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay?

[John Holmberg]

And he's delivering it today.

[Dale Hellestray]

Are you going to help him?

[John Holmberg]

I'm Going to be there.

[Dale Hellestray]

Are you going to help carry some slate?

[John Holmberg]

Well, I'm going to open doors and be like, my hand will do that gesture of sweep when I point to.

[Dale Hellestray]

Where I want that time.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I will definitely be considerate of his space.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

And then he'll put it in the. And I'll be like, it goes here. And then I'll say, scooch it over that way. I'll be very helpful in where this goes. But, yeah, he. It was amazing.

[Richard Karn]

I'll offer to help, but Kevin's like, I got it.

[John Holmberg]

Get out of the way. I called him yesterday and said, I got this space in a rental house that I don't know what to do with. And it's kind of odd. I'm like, well, a pool table, a little game room for this will be fun.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

And so he's like, okay, I'll see you tomorrow. Like, how about that? That's how. That's how good.

[Dale Hellestray]

And that's meathead. Kevin.

[John Holmberg]

Kevin is meathead. Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

I've never heard him.

[John Holmberg]

That's meathead. Well, normally we don't, but when we're doing business, he's coming.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, okay. Super nice guy.

[Richard Karn]

By delivering the pool table. Kevin.

[John Holmberg]

Kevin is meathead. Because he came to my house last week to measure out where I want a new barbecue for the. So the old one's kind of cruddy. And he goes, I'll come by and measure out the space. And then he comes over. We looked at the thing, and I left him to it. And as he's leaving, he goes, oh, I forgot to measure it. It's okay. And then he just left. He never once took his tape measure out or did any work at all. And he's just going to eyeball it and do the best he can. So there's going to be a meathead. But it's meathead. That's where. That's where dopey meathead kicks in.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

All right. You came over to measure it and you didn't.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, even towards the end of last week's Father's Day giveaway, he's like, I have something to say to Dale before. Like, you're not who. I don't sound like you look or something.

[John Holmberg]

It was something stupid. He made us wait 40 minutes. Like it was a big proclamation. It was nothing. Thank you for last week. The Father's Day, the man cave giveaway. That was great fun. I've gotten several emails about how Dale endeared himself to people.

[Dale Hellestray]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

Yes. That you were a good judge. Who Kept it on the up and up. They were mostly happy, ironically enough, that you didn't cave and give it to als, Matt.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes. You guys were really pressuring me on that.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I thought for sure that would be a lot of pressure.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And I was surprised at the audience's reaction of not wanting to give ALS Matt anything.

[Dale Hellestray]

It was easy. Easier. Because of his. The. The girl who brought him in.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Making fun of you.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. But she ranks me below Brady. I mean, in my mind, he's. He's got. I just didn't want him to go first.

[John Holmberg]

The worst thing.

[Richard Karn]

Got kicked with reality.

[John Holmberg]

The worst thing that happened. I know. Yeah. He had to face reality that she ranked you, Brady, a six and Dale was then a five.

[Dale Hellestray]

A five. And then you were a nine.

[John Holmberg]

That's right. As a nine. You can't spell it without the nine. Yeah. No, there's no doubt about that. And it was odd that that happened. But now let's get into sports, because the big news in sports is $10 billion for the Lakers.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

How much are the Cowboys worth now?

[Dale Hellestray]

But it's funny because, you know, like, Forbes always comes up with how their valuations and all that. But the thing is that these franchises come open for a buy.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Very few times. Usually stays in families and all that. So when one does come up, the valuation goes out the window.

[John Holmberg]

It has. It's whatever anybody's willing to pay.

[Richard Karn]

And again, what's your sell point?

[Dale Hellestray]

What I want to know is what. What is this guy Clark or whatever his name is.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

He owns the Dodgers.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. And now he's buying the Lakers. What does he do?

[John Holmberg]

That's the crazy thing. You look at the dodgers payroll at $408 million a year, and all of us just go, oh, my God.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

This dude threw 10 billion in a day at the Lakers while he owns the. That's nothing to him. It doesn't register.

[Dale Hellestray]

What does he do?

[John Holmberg]

I don't know.

[Dale Hellestray]

Like, how do you get all this money? No, and by the way, I also pointed this out. You know, everything I read about says 10B.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

10B.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Nobody knows how many zeros go after the 10.

[John Holmberg]

It's a lot.

[Dale Hellestray]

10 billion.

[John Holmberg]

It's nine.

[Dale Hellestray]

Come on.

[John Holmberg]

It's nine zeros. I mean, I could write nine zeros in my checking account, there'd be no number in front of.

[Dale Hellestray]

I was going to say my number behind it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, I can add as zeros as I want, but until I add an actual number much later, it's crazy. But if The Lakers are 10 billion, I think the Cowboys have jumped up to 20, 25. If Jerry said I'm selling the team.

[Dale Hellestray]

If Jerry wanted to sell the team. Again, whether you love the Cowboys, you don't. There's somebody out there that has money and I would think that they'd go for at least 20, at least.

[John Holmberg]

You know, and the Cardinals just jumped up. There's no way they're worth 4 billion. That's their value according to Forbes. And there's no possible way that if they said we're for sale, they don't go for less than 10. No way.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because again you look at when's the next NFL franchise going to be sold, right. It could, could be 20 years, could be 10 years, who knows?

[Richard Karn]

Well, after that, after this sale.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I mean, yeah. Now if I'm an owner, I'm looking, I'm like, geez. I mean if I'm the Steelers right now, their owner, the Rooney family.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And they've got nobody that's really like wildly interested under Art Jr. Who owns it right now.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

They've got a couple brothers that are like, we'll take it if he. They're not wildly tied to the family.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

So it would make sense to me that he looks at this because that's their bit. They're one of the last ones where that's their business. They got rich from football.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, them and, them and the Maras.

[John Holmberg]

And the Bidwells, those are the. And the Mars kind of gave up on most of that, you know. So the Rooneys would be like, well this is, I mean our great, great grandfather put this together in the 30s for 180 bucks. This pretty nice turnaround to sell the Steelers would be probably another 15, 16 billion dollar franchise.

[Richard Karn]

Where was the Bidwell money before that.

[John Holmberg]

Started with this and whatever. He was a businessman, they're a football fan.

[Dale Hellestray]

I think he borrowed some money from some people. I think it's 50,000 or something like that. How much?

[John Holmberg]

Their riches came from football. Football is their business. Jerry's was oil. You know, a lot of these people, I don't know what the guy from the Dodgers does, but it wasn't sports that made him rich. And then you start looking at that and you're like, there are no family owned teams anymore. Why would there be?

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

I mean beyond generational wealth. And then some guy comes in and gives 10 billion for the Cardinals, which is insane.

[Dale Hellestray]

And again, obviously the Lakers, one of the more prestigious. Oh sure, you know, franchise in all sports. You know, you Got the. Yeah, you got the Yankees, you got the Dodgers, you got the Lakers.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you get those Cubs. My Cubs, my former Cubs. What would a baseball team be worth?

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, that's. That, that's what's interesting to me because again, in NBA, the NFL has it set up so good.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

That you almost can't lose money.

[John Holmberg]

Well, they make what, 40 something billion a year?

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, they get a check every April that covers all their costs from tv. They haven't sold a ticket, a parking spot, a beer cover. Sweet.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, everything's. Everything's covered before you even.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's where you. Did you find out what that guy's doing?

[Richard Karn]

He manages Guggenheim and Partners, which is a portfolio of 300 billion.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, he's doing all right. So 10 billion, drop in the bucket.

[Richard Karn]

Bunch of companies that owns. And so, yeah, his. His personal net worth, they say is 6.1 billion.

[John Holmberg]

So he's a financial guy. His personal net worth is less than 10 years. Matt Ishby has said when he wrote the check for the Sons, it was a $4 billion hit to his account.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Richard Karn]

You know, they're just saying his NET worth is 6.1 billion. But being the CEO of Guggen, Guggenheim and Partners.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't know. So is he. He's like paying a mortgage on this, going to pay out over 15 years.

[John Holmberg]

That can't be accurate because they would never sell to a guy who's worth less than a team. That's. And especially when he owns the dod. His personal net, his cash value, maybe, but the Dodgers themselves, if he owns that, are worth 6 million.

[Richard Karn]

That's why I was 1 and 2 when they, when they put that on there. But maybe Guggenheim, Guggenheim and Partners, he struggles with that.

[John Holmberg]

Sounds like he's drowning.

[Dale Hellestray]

I always say three times.

[John Holmberg]

I can't look at it. Look at his eyes. It's too much work. His face is doing too much work for a single word. He's gonna have a stroke. Be careful with that.

[Richard Karn]

Maybe there's a money behind it. So, like Colangelo, where he was the manager.

[John Holmberg]

Well, yeah, maybe it's a managing partner.

[Richard Karn]

Because they always say Jerry is the owner of the Suns.

[John Holmberg]

But it would have really had about. Yeah, 12%, but it would have been a group. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how that works. But if that Dude's, you know, $300 billion company he's running, 6 billion is his.

[Dale Hellestray]

So did that make Jenny Buss prettier in your eyes?

[John Holmberg]

It makes J. Moore prettier, yes.

[Dale Hellestray]

Are you Jealous of Jay Moore?

[John Holmberg]

Absolutely. You are 100% across the board. But you know why? He's no better than me. He's had. I lived more on the straight and narrow, for God's sake. I'm a better catch than Jay Moore. There's less. There's less chance of me falling off and causing trouble in her life.

[Dale Hellestray]

So she said, you gotta shave. I want her toupee. Of course.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

I want a nose. Well, what's that called? Rhinoplasty.

[John Holmberg]

Rhinoplasty, yes. Anything she wants. If she wants me to get a dick surgically implanted where my nose used to be, she's getting it.

[Richard Karn]

And I'd like to call you Guggenheim.

[John Holmberg]

Brett, get in on this. Brett's with me on this. I need somebody to back me up. You would not add dick nose to your billionaire wife's desires. No, not at all.

[Dale Hellestray]

No.

[John Holmberg]

Why?

[Dale Hellestray]

Because, John, I still have a little pride in myself.

[John Holmberg]

You walk around with that face and you say you've got pride.

[Dale Hellestray]

This is better. This is better. Look at this. Come on.

[John Holmberg]

I am. And I'd add a dick to it.

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[Dale Hellestray]

Holmberg's morning sickness. Are you.

[John Holmberg]

Are Brett, you're in on this? What? 10 billion to put a dick on my face? Yeah, I'm in. I put all the dicks on my face. $10 billion. Yes.

[Dale Hellestray]

So? So you're immediately walking out on your wife. You're giving her any of this money?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I'll give her some. I give. Why not? She gets a parting gift.

[Dale Hellestray]

Hey, Jenny, you know, you. You want me or jeie.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. At least get her name right. Yeah. Jeie. Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

I need 500 million to get my little heavy. How much are you giving your wife?

[John Holmberg]

About two or three hundred bucks, that seems. Yeah. Here's some campfire.

[Dale Hellestray]

And then on top of that, Mrs. Busk says, I don't like dogs and I don't want dogs.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dale Hellestray]

Johnny, are you in?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I don't love anything that much. Dale. I like. That's okay. I love my dogs.

[Dale Hellestray]

But I mean.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna have to listen to what she says.

[Richard Karn]

And I would like three kids.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, think about it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh.

[John Holmberg]

Oh. I can't do that. But I will.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, I want the thing reversed.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

It's impossible. I had mine.

[Dale Hellestray]

Bur.

[John Holmberg]

But I would go to a scientist and I'd say, let's create a way to get these balls back in action. Start making some swimmers.

[Richard Karn]

Clone them.

[John Holmberg]

We'll make something happen. I'd call up Angelina Jolie and borrow.

[Dale Hellestray]

A few from her.

[John Holmberg]

She's got enough kids. Exactly. And the doctor would say, it's the most painful surgery you could ever imagine. Let's lay down and get excited. Let's just get started.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't even need any drugs.

[John Holmberg]

Get started because for $10 billion, I don't have to worry about having kids. The problem right now is. And the reason I never wanted kids is because I actually have to do stuff with them. 10 billion.

[Dale Hellestray]

Are you going to hire somebody?

[John Holmberg]

Nannies and mannies and everybody but me. All I'm gonna do is screw a kid up. Get somebody.

[Dale Hellestray]

Brad, how about you? What?

[John Holmberg]

Have a kid?

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Because I can pay somebody to take care of the damn thing. I don't need to pay attention to it. Make a child out here someone else.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Richard Karn]

I want you to be the dad. We're not having people. Take care.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, think about it.

[Dale Hellestray]

I want a close family. John. We're gonna go vacations.

[John Holmberg]

I can fake.

[Richard Karn]

No nannies.

[Dale Hellestray]

No nannies.

[John Holmberg]

All right.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

What else do you want? 10 billion. Yeah. Answer. It's an improv class. Yes. And I never say no. There's no reason to say no.

[Dale Hellestray]

She's.

[John Holmberg]

You're in a lifestyle of $10 billion.

[Richard Karn]

The guys from 311 are gonna live with us.

[John Holmberg]

And I don't want to hear people. Money doesn't make you Happy? It's like, all right, I'll take my chances. This seems like I can find. That's my fault if I can't.

[Dale Hellestray]

John. I want to be like that guy in the pink jacket last Friday. I want to be the one who sleeps around and Russ, Jeannie saying that. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. What, me? You drive me to amorous. You need me to drive you over to your, your strange.

[Dale Hellestray]

What, what does Polyamorous.

[John Holmberg]

I have multiple partners. Poly is. Is more than one or three.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

And then amorous is love. So multiple love.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay. He said that? And I didn't want to sound stupid and ask him.

[John Holmberg]

Well, you did then. You worried about that. Dale actually had his brain go. Don't say anything. You'll sound stupid.

[Dale Hellestray]

Have you, have you really? Have you heard that word before?

[John Holmberg]

Polyamorous. We talk about it all the time. Polyamory.

[Dale Hellestray]

You three ugly dudes talk about polyamorous?

[John Holmberg]

We're aware of it. You gotta know what's going on. We're not saying we participate. We're just saying, I know what a nuclear bomb is. I don't know how it happens, but I know that they exist. You know, I can be aware of things.

[Dale Hellestray]

Anyway, a couple of my friends asked me, said, so what is a nose ear?

[John Holmberg]

The chain.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, the chain. I'm like, yeah. I, I, I had not seen it before, but literally it's connected to his nose in his ear. I would say get in the way. Don't you, you know, you got worried.

[Richard Karn]

About something snagging it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, Indians have that. Not the Cleveland.

[Dale Hellestray]

The, the dot.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that. Yeah, those. They, they're the ones that they, they do jewelry attached from nose to ear and stuff. So it's a very Eastern. It's an Easter. Yeah. It's not the Cleveland. Can't say that anymore. The Eastern philosophy.

[Dale Hellestray]

What can't you say more?

[John Holmberg]

Cleveland Indians. It's terrible. Guardians.

[Dale Hellestray]

Washington Redskins.

[John Holmberg]

Know you. Horrible race. I gotta dump that. Write a check. Horrible races.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, no, I. Again, when you talk about these pro franchises, every time something like this happens, everybody goes, oh, nobody will ever go for more than $10 billion. I remember when they're talking about some, some of the previous sales.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's crap.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's crazy.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It can't sustain itself. Yes, it can. I remember Ryan Sandberg signed a 10 year old, $10 million contract with the Cubs in like 1985. And everybody's like, well, baseball's gonna go out of business. Like, you can't have million dollar players. It just can't happen.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, say, well, well, What I remember was Magic Johnson signing 25 year, 25 million dollar contract. People like that. That's. That's silly nuts.

[John Holmberg]

Well, remember Eric Dickerson, your old college teammate, was told by the Rams, you'll never make a million dollars in the NFL. No one ever will.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

That's insane.

[Dale Hellestray]

He said, I made that an smu.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. He's like. Because he. And the pros that he had in college. And he said. And he was telling that story on his football Life special, and he's like, they told me I'd never make a million dollars. And I said, I think that's going to be the wave of the fan. Then I think the Colts and they made a deal and it ended up being around that the Rams are like, have them. You're going out of business.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And now look, you're looking at $60 million a year, guys. And that's not just inflation. That's just the players realizing you guys make. The owners are making if they're paying amounts of money on. Jesus Christ, Juan. So those deals, insane.

[Dale Hellestray]

The one thing that's always interesting is you look at the NFL and you look at a Michael Bidwell versus, say, a Jerry Jones or. Or the. The guy up in New England or what? As far as having cash on hand.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Like when you're like those signing bowls, you got to put. You got to put money that. That's guaranteed. You have to put that in escrow.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. And so you have to have cash to do that. It's not. Oh, well, next year when we get our TV money.

[John Holmberg]

Right. I can start adding to this fund.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I can get a life changer loan on this deal and make this work.

[Richard Karn]

And let's hire a guy to help run the league. Just look what he makes.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah. I can't even imagine the bonuses alone, but it's just such a fascinating thing.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And I've never been in those circles. And now I'm friends with Jay Moore and he's got. We teased him about it, but we didn't realize they were going to cash out.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

And now it's time to be James. He, happily married, best friend for $10 billion, having the worst time ever.

[Richard Karn]

He wants out so bad.

[John Holmberg]

Jay loves the money so much that he gave up what he loves more than anything in the world.

[Dale Hellestray]

What's that?

[John Holmberg]

Adderall. To be with Genie Buss. He gave up all those drugs and all that fun. Absolutely.

[Dale Hellestray]

What does Adderall do to you?

[John Holmberg]

It's like cocaine, only it's doctor prescribed.

[Dale Hellestray]

Really? Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And it's. And he gave up drugs and the lifestyle of that because his wife said, I can't do this anymore.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

And he realized, oh, it was all about to float out the window.

[Dale Hellestray]

So they've been married for a while.

[John Holmberg]

A couple years. Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay. I did not know that. I did not know any of that then.

[John Holmberg]

I love Jay. And I think that it's time that.

[Richard Karn]

We all the volumes of Adderall.

[Dale Hellestray]

You can fly us out for a weekend in la. I mean, why not?

[John Holmberg]

Well, no, we're not in on that.

[Dale Hellestray]

Vegas.

[John Holmberg]

We wouldn't be in. Yeah.

[Richard Karn]

You're not.

[John Holmberg]

No, none of us are. Because he out of his circle.

[Richard Karn]

He dangled that carrot. It's like, hey, guys, it's not happening. You come out to la.

[John Holmberg]

I'm taking care we don't run in those circles. Remember old Jer? That worked here for a while? We wouldn't even go to dinner with him. We were too. Now imagine Jay Moore taking us out to dinner. We don't belong. We just don't belong. You got to work your way into that. Good for him.

[Dale Hellestray]

Do you think he'd give you guys some dress codes and things like that? Hey, you come out and hang out with us. You're not slow enough showing up like you show up to the sun's romper.

[John Holmberg]

Exactly. The Romper room is romp out.

[Dale Hellestray]

Here I am dressed to the nine.

[John Holmberg]

Slacks, nice shirts.

[Dale Hellestray]

You're in jeans, man.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I wasn't wearing what you had on. You look like a kid who wet his pants in first grade. And they gave you borrowed clothes. It didn't look right.

[Richard Karn]

Come on.

[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellestray]

Have we touched much on your savior quarterback?

[John Holmberg]

And we'll get into that if you want to talk about that. You bring that to the party.

[Dick Toledo]

Throwing ropes.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. We can talk about. And the weird thing about Aaron Rodgers is he may not actually be married. He said he was married in that press conference. Now people are like, no, he's not.

[Dale Hellestray]

He's wearing a ring. Right.

[John Holmberg]

Wearing a ring. But he may not be married to a person. We'll get. No, this is my guy. I'm fine. Look, football players are weirdos.

[Richard Karn]

Just do your job.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And going back to us not being in a loop, that's the reason Jerry Jones doesn't go, hey, you guys were taking the whole team out for ice cream. He never drove you Anywhere. You're not going to places Jerry wanted. Unless it was a team activity.

[Dale Hellestray]

Jerry flew me on his private jet to fire you? No, before me. Duck hunting.

[John Holmberg]

He wasn't going with you?

[Dale Hellestray]

No, he didn't show up. Troy Aikman was with you, but Stephen did.

[John Holmberg]

Troy Aikman was with you?

[Dale Hellestray]

I. You know, Troy was with me.

[John Holmberg]

Aikman invited you, but it was. No, you were with Troy.

[Dale Hellestray]

He wasn't with you.

[John Holmberg]

You're not getting the jet without Troy.

[Richard Karn]

Hey, who's the big guy with you?

[John Holmberg]

Like, what is that, a retarded bodyguard? He's got a ride in steerage down underneath with the luggage.

[Richard Karn]

Looks like I can't hunt today.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, and I know Jerry got on the plane and we got us a weight problem out there. We're gonna have to jettison something. Throw out your. Jerry is Jerry's from a different time. He says a lot of things.

[Dale Hellestray]

Can you say the R word?

[John Holmberg]

I can. I'll pay the fine. You haven't. Yeah, trust me, you don't know. But I'll tell you right now, if I'm paying fin, do you get fined? Yep. We'll be right back. And if I'm paying those fines, you ain't heard nothing yet. If it's coming out of my pocket. Oh, this thing just got crazy. We got ourselves Dale Hellis tray. We'll talk to him about Aaron Rodgers, I guess. Next. Morning sickness.

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[Dale Hellestray]

Holmberg's morning sickness.

[John Holmberg]

Alright, all right. Calm down.

[Dale Hellestray]

Here comes the boo. Here comes the boo.

[John Holmberg]

That's a great song. We're celebrating African Americans contributions to rock music today for Juneteenth. And that's pod and we played nothing but bands that have black guys in them.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

It's pretty awesome. It's been a good morning. Some guy didn't like skindred at all. But that's a risk you take with Kindred. But it was good. It's a good morning. We had good music today, Dale. We always do.

[Dale Hellestray]

As I was not listening to the music, I was thinking, say Jenny Boss said, johnny, I want you. I got 10 billion. But. But I. I want you to sign a prenuptial agreement that if I get tired of you, you're out. Nothing. You get nothing.

[John Holmberg]

I get zero.

[Dale Hellestray]

You get zero.

[John Holmberg]

She will a never tire of me. I will be so unbelievably. I will vacillate from one to the next of her needs like quicksilver. Dale, she will be so blown away at how new and fresh every day is that being tired of me would be impossible. She'd be tired from me, but she would not be tired of me. That is a fact.

[Dale Hellestray]

So you roll the dice. Prenuptial said, but if I ever get tired of you, you're out.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not worried about it. She would be. And she'd be like, I just don't get enough, you know, pushback from you. Now she's got a confrontation. She's gonna see whatever she needs. Her needs will be met beyond explanation.

[Dale Hellestray]

My, My Mercedes is. It's got a couple spots on it.

[John Holmberg]

Let's get to that. Honey, it's clean. Washing a car. I do that now.

[Dale Hellestray]

Billions of dollars. You'd look at her billions and you'd feel like less of a man.

[John Holmberg]

Maybe.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. So your dogs.

[John Holmberg]

That's a tough one. That's tough. It's tough stuff.

[Dale Hellestray]

Vasectomy, reverse. You have two little ones, little homies running around.

[John Holmberg]

Gotta love those little guys. I might name. I might name them like Fido and Rover just to kind of get my true love tied back. But yeah, no, that's.

[Dale Hellestray]

And she. Oh, you. You have cats too, don't you?

[John Holmberg]

I have a cat.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[Richard Karn]

That prenup changes a little.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh yeah.

[Richard Karn]

You think, Dale?

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, I, I, I, I have a feeling. Not. Not a.

[John Holmberg]

You two aren't even playing the game right. Going in. Let Alone, getting a prenup out of it. But I got. I got supreme confidence that I'm telling you right. My would be amazing Day in, day out. Prenup.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I'm still going. You get to live the lifestyle for as long as it lasts. Give me the pen. I'm signing right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same look I pay to ride rides at Disneyland. It's not going to last forever. I'm going to have fun while it lasts, though. I'm an optimist, Dale. I look at this like this is a nice run for me. And then I can tell people who's on top of the world. Neil Armstrong came back from the moon toppage genie, too. Yeah, exactly right. You're not. Maybe I don't stay the whole time, but I've been there.

[Dale Hellestray]

If Jay Moore can keep her happy and you could. Please, wouldn't that be a little disappointing?

[John Holmberg]

No, because that just means Jay's probably outperformed me, and that's my fault. You know, when you got beat by a defensive lineman, you're like, it's not his fault that he's so great. It's my fault that I'm not good enough.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, I didn't. I said he cheated. I saw. I showed you the picture.

[John Holmberg]

Hold me.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, he showed you the picture yesterday. No.

[John Holmberg]

And. And look, if Jay. Something that was a little bit out of the norm and against the rules and I lost to him, like, I should have thought of that. I'm not thinking, oh, I got head slapped. I'm like, why am I not head slapping? It works. You got to take personal responsibility for your nonsense.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay? All right.

[John Holmberg]

Now, if you get beat by somebody, it's because they. They outplayed you or cheated. Well, if they did, you should have thought of that because they're the ones holding up a trophy like you and.

[Dale Hellestray]

The Cowboys D. Red line can cheat. Offensive line, it's hard to cheat. Hard to cheat.

[John Holmberg]

You guys do it all the time.

[Dale Hellestray]

What do you mean, every play? Come on.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You're knee and guys in the balls.

[Dale Hellestray]

Whoops.

[John Holmberg]

There's tons of cheating going on on that offensive line.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't show the next time guy takes a pass that and he's a defensive guy in the ball.

[John Holmberg]

You've done it. You've been in pies, maybe in a pile. You've been kneeling and grabbing balls, butt fingers and all sorts of biting.

[Dale Hellestray]

I was a very. I was a very clean player. But I will tell you this.

[John Holmberg]

Well, nobody ever knocked the long snapper over.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, I mean, when I Played right.

[John Holmberg]

Years and years ago.

[Dale Hellestray]

It was years and years ago as a long snapper, but you could still do it. We went back for that, that celebration of our undefeated season at smu. A couple guys brought some stories up that I forgot about that I played against a guy named Ray Childress.

[John Holmberg]

I remember.

[Dale Hellestray]

Hey, we went to Texas A and M. We played against each other for three years.

[John Holmberg]

Big pro.

[Dale Hellestray]

He won. Yeah. He's like the third one picking the trap.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

I hated him. I don't know why I never said a word to him. I, I, but I would look at like their media guide pictures.

[John Holmberg]

Hated.

[Dale Hellestray]

And he had this long neck and he just looked like an arrogant piece of crap. And I literally got to the point where I hated him.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And I always had good games against him. And at one time, we're at the bottom of a pile and I found my hand.

[John Holmberg]

Oh.

[Dale Hellestray]

In his face mask.

[John Holmberg]

Inside of it.

[Dale Hellestray]

It kind of right under the face.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right in the chin. And, and where there's people on top of us and all that. So I grabbed it and I started trying to twist his head off, kill him. And I got it around pretty good.

[John Holmberg]

Attempted murder has no statute of limitations.

[Richard Karn]

That's assault.

[Dale Hellestray]

He jumps up, the face mask is to the side of his head and he's swinging at me. So not only do I get the face mask, but then he gets a 15 yard penalty.

[John Holmberg]

You win. And there's no cheating. That was completely legit.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well played.

[Richard Karn]

That was a pretty clean play.

[John Holmberg]

Well played, Dale. That's what a cheater would say. But this one time.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. Just one time, Johnny, you can get.

[John Holmberg]

Into the Aaron Rodgers thing. Ask one question.

[Dale Hellestray]

So you're excited about this?

[John Holmberg]

Excited?

[Dale Hellestray]

It's the best option to say if you don't have them. Well, what's your option? Break you.

[John Holmberg]

I don't want any of that.

[Dale Hellestray]

No.

[John Holmberg]

So he's the best. And actually even people with folded arms up in Pittsburgh, it's what I've said about Kyler Murray the whole time. There's a lot of people who hate him. He's still the best athlete you've got on that team. I don't know what you're going to replace him with.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

So until you got a plan, don't run from that guy.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

You know, keep him in place until you've got a plan. And right now your plan is Kyler Murray. And I know a lot of fans hate that. Steelers have the same thing. So a lot of these folded arms are like, we should get Mason Rudolph a shot. He's 30. If the dude is 30 and hasn't made his mark, he's not going to. He's a backup forever. And that's the thing. He's. He doesn't have it. Other teams would see it. Like, it's not. We're only seeing them on Sunday. Other teams would see this.

[Dale Hellestray]

This backup that's been around for eight.

[John Holmberg]

Years needs a shot.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Sam Darnold got one. Like, I. Sam Donald's 25.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And had terrible, awful luck with his teams. And he may not in one good year. So all these people in Pittsburgh, this guy's old. He's garbage. Evidently, even the naysayers are looking at him going, all right. I don't think I've ever seen somebody throw a ball that hard and that.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well. He came to minicamp, showed up. He wasn't on a hockey. Whatever thing that he does. Yeah. Does it bother you that he may or may not be married?

[John Holmberg]

I don't know what that is.

[Dale Hellestray]

Is that bother you? Is this the leader of your team? He's gonna be on the media guy.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know what he's doing with that. Like, he said, are you married? So. Yeah, I got married. How long? Couple months ago. And they're like, oh, and nobody's.

[Richard Karn]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Nobody's seen a picture of him with a girl. There's, like. You'd think that. That as much press as he gets. Weird that you'd see it. And then now there's a family member who's still close to him that said he's not married to anybody. I don't know why he's doing this. And it's like, oh, God.

[Richard Karn]

Why would that family member do?

[John Holmberg]

You guys had Cordell Stewart.

[Richard Karn]

It shouldn't bother you.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, come on. Brett's saying he's gay and it's a cover, but he's married to maybe an idea, and that's how his crazy brain works. So that's just part of. It's partially gross. We get him for a year. It's the best option you got for a team that's on the bubble of being okay. They're not a Super bowl team. If they are, it's because he goes crazy.

[Dale Hellestray]

Now you're gonna watch games this year?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, absolutely.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, I thought I heard you one time say, no, no, I wouldn't watch.

[John Holmberg]

If Mason Rudolph was the starter. I'd be antiquing and skipping and learning. Learning how to knit. Anything but watching Mason Rudolph, because I know for a fact, and I've got friends who are like, Mason Rudolph, he should be our quarterback. Like that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. When the Cardinal fans are like, john Skilton needs a. Max hall needs a. No, no, no. Other teams need to tell you that. Their lack of interest in him tells you all you need to know about your. Ben Roethlisberger's last two years. Wouldn't started on any other team. And I was the only one going. We should have cut ties.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. You know, you know when you said those two names, Skelton and Max Hurt as a Cardinal fan and Wizen Hunt really tried to sell hall as a starting NFL quarterback.

[John Holmberg]

He was not the worst one. They rolled out. There were a couple others whose names I can't even remember.

[Dale Hellestray]

Larry Fitzgerald had to play with those guys.

[John Holmberg]

And still. Still got numbers, by the way.

[Dale Hellestray]

Did you see that? They came up one of those publications came out with their all 22 thousands team.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. The quarter century.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, yeah. And. And Larry Fitzgerald not on it.

[John Holmberg]

Neither is Cam Hayward. There's a few guys like very absent.

[Dale Hellestray]

I mean, Cam Hayward, he didn't knocked.

[John Holmberg]

You on your ass.

[Dale Hellestray]

Don't slide him in with Larry Fitzgerald. The second utilizer job is a long.

[John Holmberg]

Sniper with Cam sitting there. He's an Ohio State guy. So Brady's with me on.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, he's a good defense.

[John Holmberg]

He's a great defensive tackle.

[Dale Hellestray]

Better than Aaron Donald.

[John Holmberg]

No, but Aaron Donald's maybe the best that's ever done it since Joe Green.

[Dale Hellestray]

Since Joe Green.

[John Holmberg]

Joe Green changed the game. Changed how defensive linemen play the game. Do you know your history, Dale?

[Dale Hellestray]

Joe Kleco. What about Joe Kleko?

[John Holmberg]

He was great. He modeled himself after Joe Green. He did the three point side thing and split the center.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't, I don't think that. I don't think that Joe Green did steroid. Steroids.

[John Holmberg]

I probably.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

He was a big dude anyway.

[Dale Hellestray]

He was a big dude, but he didn't have that look.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, but Joe Clacko.

[John Holmberg]

Pleco was on steroids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Any dude with a head like that.

[Dale Hellestray]

I, I had to block him too.

[John Holmberg]

You told us that. And then he came back on steroids and he knocked two guys down. Yeah. That's a great story.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

You know, Kleko was on. Sir, most of the guys you were blocking in the early 80s.

[Dale Hellestray]

Early in the mid-80s.

[John Holmberg]

Yes.

[Richard Karn]

To know Cleco, that whole.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. And it's not, it's not fair, you know. Don't you guys feel sorry and that's.

[John Holmberg]

Why you started to do it. So, Heav, that's what happened to your.

[Dale Hellestray]

Head, and now you're.

[John Holmberg]

Now you're living with the ramifications.

[Dale Hellestray]

By the way, you know, I. I know Louis Luis Gonzalez. Well, did you see. Do you watch any Diamondbacks games?

[John Holmberg]

I do, but I don't like. I kind of keep it in the background.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay. I. I saw him a little bit last night. You need to get him on a workout regimen.

[John Holmberg]

Is he getting a little chunky? I think I. I saw him in the hallway at the Diamondbacks a few weeks ago, and he went. I was up in the broadcast.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, were you?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, we're getting people taking pictures of you doing rattlers games. How come you never mention your own rattlers games?

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, I'm supposed to bring that up.

[John Holmberg]

You are. That's called promotion. Yeah, you do that, and then you do WDTV TV.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellestray]

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[John Holmberg]

Nobody's gonna spell this.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes. Robot. Just go to your favorite podcast site.

[John Holmberg]

Come on.

[Dale Hellestray]

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[John Holmberg]

Too much to do. Make it easier. Why are you making so many hoops? What's Robat tv? The main event. Just go Dale Hellas Trey show with.

[Dale Hellestray]

If you. If you Google Dale Holster, it'll come up.

[John Holmberg]

Will it?

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. And you only have to type in the whole name Dale Hell.

[John Holmberg]

Type in hell, and you'll see Dale's.

[Dale Hellestray]

Face.

[John Holmberg]

First thing it pops up.

[Dale Hellestray]

You know, you're something.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. When. When somebody types in Mephistopheles and your face shows up.

[Dale Hellestray]

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