06-24-25 - DBacks Make Deal For Stadium Repairs - Watching Surviving Ohio State Doc On MAX Has Us Questioning How Anyone Can Still Support That School For Covering Up Doctor For 20 Plus Years

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona
Episode: 06-24-25
Title: DBacks Make Deal For Stadium Repairs - Watching Surviving Ohio State Doc On MAX Has Us Questioning How Anyone Can Still Support That School For Covering Up Doctor For 20 Plus Years
Release Date: June 24, 2025
Host: John Holmberg
Co-hosts: Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo

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1. Introduction

In this episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness on 98 KUPD, host John Holmberg and his co-hosts delve into two major topics: the Arizona Diamondbacks' recent financial decisions regarding their stadium and the disturbing revelations from the documentary Surviving Ohio State available on MAX. The discussion intertwines sports, financial ethics, and institutional accountability, providing listeners with a deep dive into issues that challenge their loyalty and perceptions.

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2. Arizona Diamondbacks' Stadium Repairs Deal

John Holmberg opens the conversation by addressing the Arizona Diamondbacks' significant financial maneuvering related to their stadium. Originally constructed in the late '90s for $700 million, the stadium now requires an additional $1.2 billion for repairs. Holmberg criticizes the assertion that the stadium would be a major economic boon to the city, highlighting that instead of benefiting the community, the funds are being siphoned back to the stadium's maintenance.

Notable Quote:

"When that stadium was built, one of the big selling points was all the money it'll bring into the city... But as it turns out, a bit, $1.2 billion of the money that was from the taxes from that stadium will go right back into the stadium."
— John Holmberg [01:15]

Bret Vesely reinforces this point by comparing the initial cost with the repair expenses, calling it a "shell game" where the promised economic benefits never materialize for the city.

Key Points:

• The stadium's construction and repair costs far exceed initial projections.
• Promised tax revenues and economic benefits are being redirected to the stadium itself.
• Holmberg expresses frustration over the misleading narratives used by sports franchises to garner public support.

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3. Surviving Ohio State Documentary Discussion

Transitioning from financial critiques, Holmberg introduces the documentary Surviving Ohio State, which exposes a severe cover-up involving a doctor at Ohio State University accused of multiple sexual assaults over decades.

Notable Quotes:

"There's nobody ever does that with evidence. Everybody says, hey this guy's grabbing my balls for an ankle injury."
— John Holmberg [09:17]

"2800 sexual assaults. The problem is, yes, it's that guy. And it was weird, but the coaches knew it was a cover."
— John Holmberg [10:16]

The panel discusses the gravity of the situation, emphasizing the sheer number of alleged assaults (claimed to be 2,800 according to Holmberg) and the institutional failures to address these crimes adequately. They critique Ohio State's handling of the cases, including minimal settlements and non-disclosures that prevent victims from speaking openly about their experiences.

Key Highlights:

• The documentary reveals extensive sexual abuse by a single doctor at Ohio State, with thousands of victims.
• Institutional cover-up efforts by coaches and administrators to protect the university's reputation.
• Comparison to other institutions like Penn State, noting that unlike Ohio State, Penn State eventually acknowledged wrongdoing.
• The emotional and psychological impact on victims, including ruined lives and lost careers.

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4. Institutional Cover-up and Responses

Holmberg and his co-hosts express deep frustration with Ohio State's response to the allegations. They highlight the university's attempts to settle cases quietly without admitting wrongdoing, thereby denying the severity of the issue.

Notable Quotes:

"They gave him emeritus and great honor when they asked him to leave. The school is still saying, if you take the settlement money, we will not take responsibility for this."
— John Holmberg [12:13]

"It's worse than Penn State. Penn State at least admitted it... Ohio State is still burying and culpable in the protection of a guy who had 2800 sexual assaults."
— John Holmberg [22:11]

The hosts condemn the lack of accountability and the ongoing reverence for individuals implicated in the cover-up, indicating a toxic culture that prioritizes image over justice.

Key Points:

• Ohio State's settlements are minimal and come with non-disclosure agreements.
• Lack of public acknowledgment of the wrongdoing exacerbates the issue.
• Comparison to Penn State's eventual admission, suggesting Ohio State's leadership is still avoiding responsibility.
• The role of influential figures like Russ Helixon and Jim Jordan in perpetuating the cover-up.

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5. Personal Anecdotes and Experiences

John Holmberg shares his own uncomfortable experiences with medical professionals, drawing parallels to the abuses discussed in the documentary. These personal stories underline the pervasive nature of such misconduct and the challenges in confronting it.

Notable Quotes:

"A guy that just did stuff to me but he'd pretend like nothing was wrong. He'd tug and be overbearing. I was trusting and comfortable, but it wasn't appropriate."
— John Holmberg [23:13]

"I've been living on that story for 30 years now. I think it's hilarious."
— John Holmberg [27:32]

These anecdotes serve to humanize the broader issues, illustrating how individual lives are deeply affected by such institutional failures.

Key Points:

• Holmberg recounts invasive and inappropriate medical exams during his youth.
• The emotional complexity of addressing past abuses, including coping mechanisms like humor.
• The difficulty in recognizing and reporting misconduct due to power dynamics and fear of repercussions.

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6. Conclusion and Insights

The episode concludes with a somber reflection on the state of institutional accountability in sports and education. Holmberg urges listeners to critically evaluate their support for institutions that fail to uphold ethical standards, emphasizing the importance of transparency and justice for victims.

Notable Quotes:

"You got to walk away from all that stuff and just say, I'm not going to support this anymore."
— John Holmberg [41:11]

"It's taking the Kool-Aid there. It's culty."
— John Holmberg [38:37]

Final Thoughts:

• The importance of holding institutions accountable to prevent future abuses.
• Encouragement for victims to come forward and for the community to demand ethical reforms.
• A call to re-evaluate personal support for organizations that do not prioritize integrity and justice.

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Transcript

[Brady]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Brett]

Beers, they're allowed to skim more.

[John Holmberg]

Well, yeah, they can skim off top of that. Which by the way, and I'm not one of these people, I love sports, but I hate this part. When that stadium was built, one of the big selling points was all the money it'll bring into the city. Oh, the things we can do with the money this baseball team and the stadium will bring to the city, help us build it. And the tax revenue generated from the stadium and all the sales inside of it will go back to the city. Well, as it turns out, a bit, $1.2 billion of the money that was from the taxes from that stadium will go right back into the stadium. They're going to just, they're just going to take care of themselves with it.

[Brett]

Got to reinvest, got to take that.

[John Holmberg]

Money that was going to go to the city, which was to sell the one that said, well, it is true, it's a job creator, it's a big deal. And then taxes are gonna flow from that thing. And that's true. And then they're like, we want a billion two back to. Now keep in mind also that the stadium cost 700 million to build in the late 90s. Now it's a billion two to fix it up if you build it. So again, it's a shell game down there with athletes and the sports and everything else. And we as people who look at them have to realize that it's never ever going to be true what they say. This stadium's going to bring in $10 trillion over the next 30 years and we'll build. And what they always do is build a couple of parks for kids right off the bat. I got in trouble in 1999, 2000, whenever it was 2000, because it was the election and the Cardinals were trying to get a stadium and it was on the. On the initiative. And I remember their commercials all said stuff about like, with a new stadium comes money to the city, which means parks and recreation areas for all. The kids will invest in the youth. And they'd show kids playing in parks that didn't exist. And they were having the time of their lives. And it was just this utopia of children's toys. And it was like Santa came and just spilled all over Glendale and Phoenix. And they didn't have Glendale yet. So they were like, any city that wants it, just vote it in. And so they tried it here, they tried it there. So I ran fake commercials during that where it was like, the Cardinals want a new stadium. And you'll hear the kids listen to those happy children playing in parks. If you don't vote for our new stadium, they don't get the parks. And then you just start hearing kids screaming, we'll take them down. Vote for our stadium or your kids pay. And because they're there and it's never happened, they always start off with a couple of parks the Cardinals put up. Remember the Diamondbacks built out of Randy Johnson. Randy Johnson and Todd Stottlemeyer Field and whoever was on there, because it was at the time. This is neat. They're putting up the parks. Like they said it was like 80 bucks for some chain link fence and some grass seed and on a dump that no one was using in the first place. But they got it back. So again, the other thing, shell game. But I love it because it's sports, so we're fine with that. What's that?

[Brett]

If they end up selling, you know, like the most recent sale for 10 billion for the Lakers. What if the. The city put up so much money to build the stadium out of the city?

[John Holmberg]

They absolutely will. Yeah. Well, the crazy part is, is that you gotta. Yeah. Unless you go through Doug Hopkins, which I highly recommend, it's A lot easier. You gotta upgrade your place. You just did it. Brett, you know that if you're gonna sell your house, you have to fix some stuff and do some videos if you want to do it the traditional way. The Diamondbacks have a stadium that's not really. It's 30 years old. It's the second oldest, third oldest stadium in the National League.

[Brady]

Is it really?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Wow. The Wrigley, which will always be that Dodger and Dodger Stadium. And then the Diamondbacks is third.

[Brady]

No.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. How about that? Man, that screws you. Because they still feel like an expansion team to me, even though they're.

[Brett]

Which is 25 years old.

[John Holmberg]

27 years ago. Yeah, it's crazy. So. Yeah. What are you gonna do? But anyway, they got their money, and that's good. And a better news story in baseball is that the Mets have signed a relief pitcher named Dickie Lovelady. And that's my new favorite player in baseball. His parents hate him. Dickie Lovelady is now a New York Met. And I'm gonna go buy a jersey. And I've never liked the Mets and I never will, but Dickie Lovelady, that's a great name.

[Brett]

Former principal of Gilbert Christian School. One time they had a love lady.

[John Holmberg]

No kidding?

[Brett]

Yeah. I don't know what his first name was.

[John Holmberg]

I wonder if Dicky is.

[Brett]

I'm. I'm wondering, is this boy. He's got a couple of kids. I know a couple of girls played basketball.

[John Holmberg]

But with Dicky. Love Lady.

[Brett]

University level, huh?

[John Holmberg]

The Love Ladies athletic family. We'll name him Dick. Dick Lovelight. Make it cuter, though. Dicky. That's adorable. No man goes through life feeling more confident than when he has the name Dickie. Dickie, come here comes Dickie. That's my Dickie coming right to me. You're a good boy, Dickie. All the kids make fun of me. It's because you're such a good athlete, Dickie. You're a proud love lady like me and your father before me. And also. And this is going to be. We're going to get into a. We're going to get into a subject here. Brett, are you ready? Oh, by the way, Paula Proc, who hates Toledo a lot, emailed and said, I spent years in HR and you guys are an HR freaking nightmare brat.

[Brady]

What?

[John Holmberg]

But my inner funny loves you. With the exception of one person, of course. Signed Paula, the Toledo hater. Yeah, she hates Toledo. Who is probably the most HR friendly one in the room. Even more than 100%. Yeah. Because Brady's dark. You don't know it because he keeps it. Like he doesn't want people to actually believe that's true. Brady's one of the darkest people I know. And it isn't so much that he goes out of his way to say something ridiculously dark, but he laughs so hard at horrible things that have happened to people and then looks at you like, what are your. What? He'll show you something miserably like, you know that bag of bones with a head? Kenny Loggins? Yeah. And he knows that. I'm like, oh, that's terrible. Look at him. He's doing it now. He starts laughing.

[Brett]

That's great, Hammer.

[John Holmberg]

One of God's mistakes.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brady's dark. Speaking of darkness, I don't know if you've seen it. Toledo's seen it. I watched it last night, and I know you watched it. A surviving Ohio State.

[Brady]

I didn't see that.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, my. It's worse than Penn State. It's worse than what happened at Penn State. And I don't know how this has not created a massive firestorm. Like, I don't know how this documentary. And I know documentaries lean one way or whatever, but this thing is pretty much like, hey, we gave it our all to get these guys involved, and they said no. So then you're hearing directly from. From the victims of a guy at Ohio State. Was it Kraus? Is that his name? Yeah. Yeah. Which I now call Strauss. Strauss. That's right. The Horseshoe's new nickname to me is Dr. Krause's nuthouse. Because this dude, it's. You know, it's the Buckeyes, the nuts. Nobody said a thing. This team just won a national championship. And from 1979 until 2018 and beyond, even to this day, that school has been burying and culpable in the protection of a guy who had 2800 sexual assaults. One man.

[Brady]

2800.

[John Holmberg]

2800. 170. Pure rapes of men.

[Brett]

The problem was.

[John Holmberg]

Here we go.

[Brett]

The guy was in the office just with that patient. So it's the whole time, it's he said. He said whatever. Or she.

[John Holmberg]

So you're saying that 2800 people made this up?

[Brett]

I'm just saying it's a hard thing for that. This is the catch 22. It's hard for them to prove that if in the court of law, which is frustrating because High State's getting off the accusations, but raping the guy was notorious, or the ones that were talking about it, he would do a really long.

[John Holmberg]

Genital Exam for an injured foot.

[Brett]

He would turn the light on. Guys that were like, this is weird. He turns the lights off, turns the spotlight on.

[John Holmberg]

But those weren't the race.

[Brett]

Checking a hernia. And the guy's like, I don't have.

[John Holmberg]

A. I have a shoulder injury. Why, are you kidding? And he would breathe on you.

[Brett]

And how about he'd get real close. He'd fondle your genitals.

[John Holmberg]

He would shower, check. Shower with the players, and then wait until another batch of players come in and shower again. The rape part is not what you're talking about. He violently raped that hockey player in his bed.

[Brett]

That one was again.

[John Holmberg]

And there's 170.

[Brett]

This guy went to this doctor and was totally, you know, blown away. But what happened on his first physical?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brett]

And knowing that. So he goes. A year later, he goes in the hospital. Here's Dr. Strauss. And Dr. Strauss is like, oh, let me give you a shot.

[John Holmberg]

But it was the school hospital, after they moved him over to the university.

[Brett]

Left the Hockey 18.

[John Holmberg]

Well, because he was. All the accusations had made it. So the school said, you know what?

[Brett]

Let's give him a ride home from the hospital.

[John Holmberg]

He didn't let him. He said, let me know.

[Brett]

Let me drive.

[John Holmberg]

He was. He was drugged to the point where he couldn't drive. And the doctor said, I'll get you home.

[Brett]

Yeah, I'll give you a ride.

[John Holmberg]

And he was drugged to the point where he couldn't function.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And then he walked him up to his bed and he raped him. Wow. Yeah. And it happened 170 times. There are 2800 sexual assaults. The problem is, yes, it's that guy. And it was weird, but the coaches.

[Brett]

Knew it was a cover.

[John Holmberg]

It's still a cover up. They're still doing that.

[Brett]

The guys complain, too, that they're like, tape. This doctor is handsy. And they. The. There's a combination of, okay, you know how to handle this. It's like, oh, no.

[John Holmberg]

The referee. It was a referee that was in the shower, and this doctor stood next to him in an empty shower and started masturbating and grabbing his ass. Same doctor. He went over to the coaches and said, what's going on with Strauss grabbing my ass? He's in there masturbating right now. And the coaches are like, that's Strauss. The whole school was in on it. And to say that those coaches are like that. He said. He said, after 28. And. And it wasn't.

[Brett]

You have a comp.

[John Holmberg]

You have one kid.

[Brett]

But the guy was just.

[John Holmberg]

But what's worse. Hanging himself in 2005 because of his chronic pain. It had nothing to. According to him, he had chronic while still. Yeah, the guy got away with it. He was named emeritus. He was given great honor when they asked him to leave.

[Brett]

You promoted.

[John Holmberg]

The school is still saying, if you take the settlement money, we will not take responsibility for this.

[Brett]

And if you have to sign this.

[John Holmberg]

I went back and looked just to see if that was real, because I'm like, this is where the documentary could be leaning. Penn State did settlement saying, we take full responsibility for every accusation that occurred. That was also. He said. He said, yeah, the one guy saw it came back to Joe Paterno and said, I just saw this. Like, that's rumor. You're making that up. That's not what you saw. So, I mean, that's always the funny part is the defense of that is it does stand up in court because an accusation has to be made. Nobody ever does that with evidence. Everybody says, hey, this guy's grabbing my balls for an ankle injury. And all the other players are like, that's all he does to us. But because it was guys, they were like. And they're all 19, they're thinking, this, this dude's thorough. Doctor of all time.

[Brett]

Fencing teams.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Football, fencing, hockey. But it should be a massive scandal. And I say this with Brady in the room because he's an Ohio State fan, has nothing to do with that. I don't know how you can support that right now.

[Brett]

Well, if. I mean, does it feel better? Obviously, you know, because Penn State and Michigan State, it was like 1.2 billion or whatever. The high state tried to throw out this settlement.

[John Holmberg]

Well, it was. It was a million. No, it was a million to total per victim for Michigan State and for Penn State. Ohio State offered their victims 250,000 and said, this never, ever happened.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And you're signing away the fact that you can never talk about it. And they didn't sign it, to their credit, they're like, no, I would have signed either. Course not. And they're still trying to get it dismissed even. And the worst part is, Brett, they told their coach, hey man, a bunch of us are going to come forward. Twenty years later, this was. This dude raped us, a bunch of us. And the coach is like, I got your back. There's something, something. Check out Hornberg's morning sickness [e-mail] are.

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[John Holmberg]

Evidently it got your back. I'll do it.

[Brett]

Russ Helixon's a very good friend of my dad.

[John Holmberg]

He said, I'll write a letter. He's a horrible human being. He said, I'll write, I'll write a letter. I'll back you up. Dude disappears. Never does anything for him. He lets them go in front of the board in court, hands him out and he and Jim Jordan, the other one, that was the other legend, he's in a. He's in a House of Representatives. Horrible human being. I mean that Helixon guy, that's, that's, he's almost as bad as the doctor raping. You find out that you know, and all of his speeches. Like I've had over 500 sons. Like he treats them like they're kids and then they're like, please help us. And he's like, you got it. You bet. And then abandons them for Ohio State. I honestly, honestly, and I'm not saying this to try to push you. Yeah, I would throw away every single Ohio State after watching that. I cannot believe. Like I've said when the Steelers had their Ben Roethlisberger thing and I'm like, if any of this comes out to be true and like it is ridiculous. One guy and it comes out to be true and I said it on the air. I'll say it Again. And I would do this in a heartbeat because I remember Chael Sonom changed my brain after a while. You're just cheering for laundry. Yeah, I won't cheer for that. I won't be part of that. When they signed Michael Vick, those are the only three games I did not watch in the last 30 years of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Only three games I've missed purposely were the Michael Vick games. Because I won't watch that. I'm not supporting that. I don't know how anybody knowing if Ohio State took, you know, credit and said, you know what? The whole place is guilty. We did this. This is an awful situation. And we were as bad as the doctor by for 30 years covering this up, hiding it, not listening to victims. The one kid didn't even play sports. The first whistleblower came in, and he's.

[Katie]

The one who asked for a letter and got it.

[John Holmberg]

And the guy's like, never happened before. Wrote a letter that said, this has never happened before. And there was somebody who complained to him three days earlier. And then you realized, oh, this has been going on for, at that time, 14 years.

[Katie]

And you see in the deposit, you see the. You see the. The administrators there, when they were asked a specific question, you see their eyes.

[John Holmberg]

Just go, oh, crap, they got us. You can see it.

[Katie]

They know.

[John Holmberg]

But they're still saying didn't happen, right? They're still saying none of this happened and too much money is exactly right. It's because the school is more of a business and they know they got them.

[Brett]

They can, you know, the resources of legal battle well against them.

[Katie]

Well, the.

[Brett]

Drag it out because they try to say the statute of limitations, right?

[John Holmberg]

And then they said, statute of limitations is two years. And that was. It's. It is. If you. It's on max. It's called surviving Ohio State. I honestly.

[Katie]

Rough watch.

[John Holmberg]

I don't. It is a rough watch. I don't. I don't know how surprised me. Anybody walks away from that, defending it. And that Helixon guy is like, if you knew him, if you still have his number, I'd call him and go, you son of a bitch. Do what's right. The. The Bogan family, like, if you're friends with him, I don't even talk to him.

[Brett]

I asked my dad a little bit about this situation and I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

It's been going on forever.

[Katie]

Yeah, your dad's not going to know anything about that.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, no.

[Brett]

I mean, the guy would come over and at the end, towards the last two years of My dad's life. Russ would come over and play. They'd play cards.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I mean it's.

[Brett]

And I know he, that one time he discussed a little bit of that and that situation and I can't, you know, unless he thought by doing this that he's implicated or whatever. Could he go to jail? I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

He is, he is. I mean if he, if it turns out that he knew this was going on and he was like covering it, he is implicated.

[Brett]

But I don't know. I mean he was turning a blind eye.

[John Holmberg]

You know, somebody's been sexually assaulted and they're under your supervision.

[Katie]

Both him and Jordan said to that referee, yeah, Strauss. Strauss grabbed his ass in the shower.

[John Holmberg]

While he was masturbating.

[Brett]

The wrestling team would joke about Strauss constantly.

[John Holmberg]

They say it in the documentary. Not only them, the fencing team.

[Brett]

And so it's like, oh, it's something they can't handle. That was the thing that they were wrong on.

[Katie]

It's the culture that there's four guys, you know, there's 19 year old Alpha males who never used to.

[Brett]

You can't handle that. You just got to tell them why, you know. But the guy was obviously grooming people. He knew how to well that person.

[John Holmberg]

Out beyond that he was using his power to do it to everyone. Like he's different than a girl.

[Brett]

If they went to somebody, he's, he's.

[John Holmberg]

Going to grab your balls.

[Brett]

I'm going to lose my scholarship.

[John Holmberg]

Right. And he played the power game and he played the Dr. Power game to trust. It was what the Catholic church did. You're supposed to trust us. We can do whatever we want.

[Katie]

Don't question him for so long. And then began raping.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well, yeah, he, he got away with like them for so long. Touching and breathing on wieners. Yeah. Because they're all like. You could feel him breathing on your wiener. Yeah, he was that close. And he's like, I'm here for a shoulder separation. He's like, I just want to be thorough.

[Katie]

Think about the most alpha male, you know, like Derek Zellner or something like that.

[John Holmberg]

Take it back.

[Katie]

Not that he's a part of this, but I'm saying he's the athlete that has, that has on that high school that's on that level.

[John Holmberg]

Well, he won a championship, whatever. Yeah, high school championship. But you talk about like, you know, it don't matter. Coach Clark, you'd be so lucky to have Derek blowing on you. Shoot, I'd let Derek Zoner touch my wiener and just turned it to gold sucks. But I'm watching that thing and I'm like, how in the. And it is Brett's. It's because. And at the end of the documentary, they're like, revenue for Ohio State in the last. Last fiscal year was $1.2 billion. They're not getting touched. Plus it's TV and everything else. But all you want them to do is say, oh my God, this was horrible. And we were in on it. And everybody that was involved is fired.

[Katie]

Not only that, they let him have a locker in 16 different sports.

[Dick Toledo]

Locker rooms.

[Katie]

Yeah, 16 different sports.

[John Holmberg]

The more people talked about it, the more this guy had access to everything. It was crazy.

[Brady]

It's a Catholic church at college. It really was.

[John Holmberg]

Like, I don't get too nauseous watching things. I don't have body reactions. That was one. Like when you heard the details of the Penn State thing, it was horrible, just horrible. And Joe Paterno was a 90 year old man who's like, we don't talk about these things. And he kind of understood that. He was a generation of like, you hear it, you ignore it. Like, this is. And he was a scared old man. The problem was all the other people are like, we gotta protect the school from all this. Oh, Helixon is it. He's worse. Because Joe Paterno never said, I got your back, I'll help you, and then disappeared. That's a fact.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

He's the worst one of the bunch. That dude's horrible. A horrible human being. Just protecting his. You know what's surprising about the documentary too? All these guys had been raped and all this stuff that had gone on and all. They still had Ohio State stuff on and still.

[Brett]

Oh, that cult.

[John Holmberg]

Well, he did that as a test, though, to see if the board of regents would IO back.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

He goes, none of them. Our Ohio State. He said he realized right then and there when I. Oh. At the end of my speech. And none of them said I owe back that they're all just hired guns to come protect this situation. All of them, none of them are tied to the school. They're all like, all right, whatever you do. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Whatever. They didn't know they were there. Hired to say, well, next there's a.

[Brett]

Good chance they are tied to the.

[John Holmberg]

School because sure, financially.

[Brett]

And they're like, you're not taking.

[John Holmberg]

But they're not. They're lawyers. They weren't tied in going ohi. They weren't part of the culture. Which is the problem that, you know, that whole city. I've been there is a cult, you know, it is a cult of Ohio State, everything. Nothing is bad there. This is. It's worse than Penn State. Penn State at least admitted it. I watched the documentary, make up your own mind. But I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And it also made me realize, even though I was fine with it and still am, I was raped by a doctor. What?

[Brett]

I know the same thing that I thought when they.

[John Holmberg]

Because I always tell that joking story when that guy was checking for STDs. And he was way too thorough about my wiener. And he told me I had a big urethra, but he wasn't sexual. He was mad at me the whole time as an old man. And he was tugging, but he wasn't doing it in a friendly, nice way. He's looking at my. My confirming, your big nose. You've got a large urethra. Doesn't mean you have a big penis. I'm like, all right. Jesus. And I was 21, I guess, maybe 22. And he did that. And then he goes, we gotta be thorough about this. I wanna make sure you're not. You don't have anything going wrong. And he goes, you have a large urethra. And that means whenever a woman is drinking and decides to be sexually active with you, you run the risk of having alcohol. Go in there. You always pee after any of that. And then he started to tell me how disgusting all that is. And then he did a prostate exam. And I. All over the table. Oh, yeah. I don't know that I said anything, but I was pretty okay with it. I didn't expect it. He didn't tell me that could possibly happen. Then he wiped it right up. He didn't eat it or anything. And he threw it away. Yeah. But then the one, like, in the documentary, the guy's like, just don't get. Doctor, have you ever heard of a guy ejaculating during an exam? And he goes, never. And I'm like, wait a minute. I was right. I'm one of those guys. But I. To be honest, for the story, it was worth it. I really. Because I've been living on that story for 30 years now. I think it's hilarious.

[Katie]

But the documentary opens up with, like, all trying to say. I'm just telling myself, don't get interaction. Don't get it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Because you're confused. Like, this dude's tugging on me. Yeah.

[Katie]

Why is he pulling on my.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. What is going on? Like, don't act like this is good, but it probably feels okay. And he turned the lights off. Brett, if I asked you to come in an office, and I'm like, drop your trousers. You're like, but my shoulder hurts. Drop your trousers. And I turn the lights off, and I get a flashlight and I start breathing on your wiener.

[Katie]

And it's a doctor.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Katie]

He grabs you by the hips.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Katie]

And pulls you close.

[John Holmberg]

And that's what everybody says, like, why don't you just hit him? And all these guys are like, you just, you just, you know, you're a jackass. You're a jackass for saying that because you're in a situation where you're like, my scholarship goes away. I have to stop playing the sport I love. This is before you could transfer.

[Brady]

So you're supposed to get raped instead?

[John Holmberg]

No. Well, they weren't. They were just getting fondled. I know. And I've had doctors do stuff to me like, is this necessary? But they're doctors usually.

[Brett]

That's why they, you know, change where they want. Also, someone else in the room, of.

[John Holmberg]

Course, never wore gloves, which is even gross.

[Katie]

And he's checking for skin infections because wrestlers have that all the time.

[Brett]

Staff.

[John Holmberg]

And he's taking them. He's just rubbing their bodies. It is. It is one of the most disturbing documentaries I've watched in a long time. And even after on, on. While it was going on, I'm online like, all right, what is this guy's story? Like, this Helixon guy? What is this other guy? And it's pretty much confirmed on the Internet. It's, like, totally culpable in on it.

[Brett]

What if you found out that, you know, like, the doctor that you went to.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brett]

All sudden now by saying that, yeah. Fifteen other people come out. Like, same thing happened to me.

[John Holmberg]

I, I, I would you. Here's the fun part of being me in this situation. If 15 more people, I would. I don't even know the guy's name. He was a recommendation of my friend who had gotten something from some girl, and I ended up. It was just a urinary tract infection from alcohol going in. And be very careful, kids. It can go right in your urethra. I had Boone's Farm in my pee pee, and it caused me to have to. It hurt to pee for, like, two days. So I told my friend Adam, and he goes, go to this guy. And it was in Tempe somewhere. I. He was an old man. He's long dead. So it's like 20 other people came out and they showed a picture of him. I maybe would recognize him.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I. I'd have to feel his middle finger. That's how I. That's how I'd known for sure because I've been searching for that feeling since. Oh, it wasn't bad, Brett. It was awkward. I mean, I was very put off by the whole thing, but. But they said the thing at the end. He's like most of the guys now, we don't go to doctors. And that's me. I'm like, I'm not gonna go have that happen again. That was embarrassing.

[Katie]

Not gonna open up myself that way.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I'm not gonna have my ass. Nobody's fingering me. And that comes from that guy. So in a way, I've got the same stuff, but I've. I've made it so fun for myself that I, I don't really have any hang ups about it. I think it's hilarious, you know, And I think there's paid a man to finger me.

[Brett]

I think there's a bulk of those guys that had that situation because he wasn't doing it with everyone. He was both.

[John Holmberg]

Think of this. If 2, 800 different cases have come for the like, claims have been made and you're saying there's a bunch of guys like you, John, that didn't say it. How high is this number?

[Brett]

I know. What I'm saying is that's the hardest thing to this. This guy's a creepo. He's sure nailed. He's just, you know. But you have so many of these stories where people are like, the acceptance fact or the tolerance factor is like, oh, well, I don't think it. That's.

[Katie]

Tolerance is the wrong word.

[John Holmberg]

That's. Yeah, but that's. Yeah, that's them protecting their own, you know, just, you know, and all these parents that trusted their kids to go to this college because these guys.

[Katie]

Woman. I dropped off my.

[John Holmberg]

Dropped off my son and I cried. But at least he's in good hands. It's Ohio State. Nothing bad happens here. That was.

[Brady]

It's taking the Kool Aid there.

[John Holmberg]

It's culty. It's a weird cult to begin with. But I honestly, I don't know how anybody. Again, it goes back to the thing I said about the Diamondbacks. It's all lies to get you to be. You know. And then the second you question, it's like, oh, you're not loyal. You're not a real Ohio State. You're not a real. It's like, wait a minute, I don't want to be a fan of this. And. And again, as guilty as Anybody is like, this story's been going on for a long time. They've done a magnificent job of having zero ramifications hit this school at all. At least Penn State went through stuff.

[Katie]

I knew that for years. But you didn't know like the.

[John Holmberg]

It's tough.

[Katie]

The depth it went to.

[John Holmberg]

It's something, something. Check out homework's morning sickness [e-mail] are.

[Dick Toledo]

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[Katie]

Holmberg's morning sickness texter says Brady, you're telling me you let this in a room with your dad? He's not the doctor, but we didn't the rest.

[Brett]

But see, I'd be so you. You knew this was going on. You had no idea what extent and. And he didn't either. He did, but I don't remember. I mean, like, I didn't.

[Katie]

He washed it.

[Brett]

Never. I never knew. There's a meeting if.

[John Holmberg]

If down the hall.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

At Katie kb. We had a rape scandal. We'd know the details. Yeah.

[Katie]

Somebody'd spill.

[Brett]

Well, obviously he might have known, but.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, no, no, I'm not saying my dad. I'm saying Helixon knew everything. He carried that bag everywhere he went and quietly acted like it didn't exist, which makes him worse than anybody. That's terrible. That dude's horrible. And then the ref at the end, the referee of one of the wrestling matches that got the dude's beaten off next to him in the showers. And the weird thing was, remember Coach Flake? We always joked about him at Rose, that he would stand at the end of the showers and hand towels out. You're not allowed to have towels till I give you one. These little prepubescent boys would wander. That's why another thing where I'm like, what's with the group shower? And we couldn't get it. Like it was creepy. And everybody said, no, it's normal, grow up. And I'm like, no, it's not normal. Or they'd have these at home. And so you do it. And he wouldn't give you a towel until you showered up. And he always stood there and we Always joked about that this dude, the doctor that wasn't working out, would go in and shower with like a group of guys who just got done working out. And then he'd go put his clothes on and see another group of dudes finishing up a practice, and he'd take his clothes off and get back in the shower with him. And he took like, multiple showers.

[Katie]

And Helixon did talk to him. The guys are complaining that you're showering. It's what I do.

[Dick Toledo]

It's normal.

[Katie]

Not for an hour.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, dude, stop it. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna. In fact, it's gonna get worse. And then. But he's beating it next to the referee and they're the only two in there. And he goes, you've got a great penis and a really nice ass. And the rest, like, I don't know what's going on here. Walks over to this Helixon guy and the Jim Jordan guy and says, hey, what's the deal with Strauss? He was doing the thing and they said, oh, that's just Strauss. And then years later, he sees Helixon after he abandons his players and everything moral in life. And I'm not the one that should be saying that. And he walks up to him and he goes, hey, good to see you again, Alex. And then he goes, hey, great. And he goes, when are you gonna tell the truth? And he goes, you have yourself a nice day. And he walked away. And this dude is bad, period. But it's tough. And Kyle says, john, you were raped. Nobody in their early 20s needs a prostate exam. It was pretty awful what was going on with my pee. So I was up for whatever to fix it. That dude could have done whatever he wanted. And by the way, he fixed it. And I never. I had a follow up exam with him a week or so later. He didn't do anything.

[Katie]

So, John, did it smell? Asking for a friend?

[John Holmberg]

Me?

[Katie]

Yeah, when he got me your pee, apparently.

[John Holmberg]

I don't remember. I just know it hurts so bad. I was crying.

[Katie]

I think he wants a recommendation. Sounds like. He sounds like he's got the same thing.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's what I was gonna think. He wants a recommendation. He wanted a doctor to go help him out. Right? He's not like, you know, get me in. That guy's long dead. He probably lasted another eight months after I saw him. He's that old, ancient.

[Katie]

Oh, my God.

[John Holmberg]

I think he was World War I. Like, he was a Navy guy and he kept talking about the Navy, and I was like, okay. All I know is when I pee, my head feels like gonna pop off. And he was. He was blaming the girl. It's because you let these women, these. These filthy rocks doing things. Yeah. This would have been the. These. He blamed the girl. The dirty girl. He wasn't wrong. It was. You know, I was in a confused state at the time. Had just had the Brian Adams girl, and I just broke up. And.

[Katie]

So this was mid Notebook or.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah. The notebook had begun. The notebook had begun. This was probably two months before the notebook got stolen. Oh, no. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Why it's worth a watch, though.

[Katie]

It's tough, but what is.

[John Holmberg]

And that's the whole reason I forgot about this. The whole reason I got into this, like, wanted to talk about it. A, it needs to be out there.

[Brett]

B, I'll try to reach out to a couple of the wrestlers that did.

[John Holmberg]

You know, some of the guys in the documentary.

[Katie]

Coleman. Mark Coleman, UFC guy knows about it.

[Brett]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

They all knew.

[Katie]

They all knew.

[John Holmberg]

And I understand that some of them are like, it's just weird and I don't like it and everybody's talking about it. But once it became a thing, there should be pressure from all the big names at Ohio State to go do the right thing, and there isn't. There isn't anything like, some of the greats of Ohio State should step up and go, guys, protect the brand. Go in and say that we're wrong. Take the hit on this. Stop trying to say it didn't happen. That's the worst thing going on. How is. How is Columbus dealing with this? I'm sure you've talked to, like, your mom or anybody else. Is everybody. I would imagine, having been around it a little bit, it's full defense. It's full. Like all this thing. Is everybody kind of.

[Brett]

I don't think so.

[John Holmberg]

Is anyone discussed where they're throwing it all away?

[Brett]

There'll be some that will say, well, there's an agenda on this documentary.

[John Holmberg]

What is.

[Brett]

Can you. How can you say there's agenda closing.

[Dick Toledo]

The truth.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

But what is the. What is the over. Is there anybody that you've heard from. Well, I won't cheer for that anymore.

[Brett]

At the time when it first was coming out, which was probably like 2006.

[John Holmberg]

Or something like that. Right. And then 18 is when it really.

[Brett]

Yeah. 18 is because Jim Jordan was running.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brett]

To be a congressman at the time. And one of the wrestlers. Former wrestler who's interviewed on this at the Sabado.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Was. Doesn't like Jim Jordan.

[John Holmberg]

We didn't like him because he tried to get him to turn on his brother.

[Brett]

Well, his whole thing was. Because it was the timing of the running. Wanted to foil the election.

[John Holmberg]

Sure.

[Brett]

But there's nothing, you know, the, the whole semantics on that whole thing. Did Jim Jordan, you know, his answers were. I did know that was going on, but he did. Or not.

[Katie]

But it's hard getting reelected. That's why I think the documentary should be a bigger thing than anything.

[John Holmberg]

Same we got all the way up there. And he did know. Like that's the thing. Like the paper said that the coaches knew and he knew and all this stuff knew and he's like, why didn't. That's like he's, he's saving his own ass and I don't. You know, it's crazy. It's. It is. It's dark. It's Catholic church dark. You were right. It was the Catholic Church.

[Brett]

It's so it's just obvious.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. No, it's disgusting.

[Brady]

Corey wants to know why does it sound like Brady's defending this rapist?

[John Holmberg]

Well, it's not defending, but I understand why Brady's. You know, there's. Look, if you've, if you've been in. In.

[Brett]

It's confusing because you don't, you don't feel like. I mean, as a. A man, you're like, I'm not gonna let this happen.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Brett]

You'd never think that hockey players and wrestlers and it. And it's exactly the reason you wouldn't.

[John Holmberg]

Even know it happened, that it was wrong until everybody started talking about it. And unless you got a jackass like me who says this doctor did this thing and it was weird. Everybody else like, hahahaha, I'm not talking about that. I'm a man, I'm not gay. Especially back then. You're not gonna start talking about like it's a joke. It's gay. Yeah. And you're very.

[Brett]

You never said. Never thought this guy was gay or he's doing it to other people.

[John Holmberg]

I brought it up because I thought it was part of the exam. And I still, I'm still thinking that was pretty accurate, but I'm not sure.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And he did it to my buddy.

[Brett]

Exactly. You know, that situation right there is.

[John Holmberg]

This thing happened because you're supposed to trust doctors. You're supposed to trust them. And then if you tell them like, hey Brett, you're in charge of this facility and this guy just did stuff to me that's way out of the norm and you're like, okay, noted. And then you don't do a thing about it. And then 10 other complaints. 20 other. 30, 40, 50 complaints come by. And then finally the last one comes in and you're like, has this ever happened before? You're like, no, you're. You're as guilty as the doctor because you've let it go on and on and on, and it is brutal.

[Brady]

Things gonna get buried, though.

[John Holmberg]

It is. It already has. It's amazing to. That's the most amazing.

[Brett]

Not buried. They're just finding the.

[Brady]

It's gonna go away.

[Brett]

They're finding the settlement.

[Brady]

It's gonn away.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but that's. Yeah, you know, you say that, but.

[Brett]

But that just. To me, that's frustrating because it doesn't go away. I mean, you're looking like you throw the settlement.

[John Holmberg]

But ask a victim.

[Brett]

Is that still.

[John Holmberg]

Ask a victim.

[Brett]

That's what I'm saying.

[John Holmberg]

They want that school to pay and acknowledge that it happened. That's close.

[Brett]

One guy was saying that. And I hope that's the case because that's all. Write the check.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's all of them.

[Brady]

They'll write the check, but they're not going to admit that they screwed up.

[John Holmberg]

But isn't about writing a check.

[Brett]

And don't have them say, yeah, just say this was wrong.

[John Holmberg]

It's not about writing the check. It's about when they saw in there. If I take this money, absolutely deny that any of this ever happened.

[Brett]

That's what I'm saying.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Don't have that part of, oh, we're gonna write the check, but you still have to sign this.

[John Holmberg]

I would venture to guess that there's a lot of them that would say, I don't even care for the money. They just have to fire any and everyone involved. They have to take away all status of anybody who's there. Not allowed on the campsite. Helixon guys out. Jordan's out. All these people aren't allowed.

[Brady]

Are those guys still there?

[John Holmberg]

No, no, but they're allowed. They walk around there like.

[Brady]

That's kind of what I mean.

[Katie]

They're revered there.

[Brett]

Alexen's like 80 now or something like that.

[John Holmberg]

And that's, you know, he's still. It's crazy. It is a crazy.

[Katie]

Just about making sure that you get it out there so that it doesn't happen again. Because if it happens once and you get the doctor that position of power, you worry that it could happen again. Look at Nasser and look at John L. Smith at Michigan State.

[Dick Toledo]

The coach was doing stuff.

[John Holmberg]

I have to say, though, that, like, at the very Least Michigan State distance itself and said we didn't. The people who knew this was going on are gone. We have distanced ourselves from this and yes, it did happen. We're going to do everything we can to make it right. They're not trying to get it dismissed or thrown out or anything else. Penn State was the same way, although they fought tooth and nail at first to protect Paterno. And then they realized this, this is not High.

[Brett]

State should do the same.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, absolutely. But that's my thing. And I'm not saying you should. It's up to you. But that's where we have to watch the Chael Sonnen thing. When he said it sitting in the room in the old studio. At a certain point, you're just cheering for laundry and you don't realize that what you're doing. Like the guy that just emailed me and said that he was a Ravens fan until he watched Ray Rice punch that girl in the face. And they defended it at first and said, we, you know, we don't need to see a video to know this is wrong. So a two week suspension. And then they watched the video and they're like, he's off the team. And I'm like, I thought you didn't need to see the video. It's like, well, we were trying to drag this out. Now, to their credit, they did unload it. Like, they got rid of them, but they were going to hold on to that. And the guys, like I said, from that moment on, I just said, go Lions. I don't know how or why we support that stuff. After a while, just like, it's just. It's just some cruddy building with a uniform. I can. I can find another one that doesn't do this. I don't know how I would. If it's me, I'm tossing everything I said that about. Ben Roth will throw away every Steeler item I've got if this turns out to be very true and the team backs it. And it was close and it's still arguable.

[Katie]

Texture brings up a good point. Okay, John, is there a point where you would turn back to Ohio State and support them?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. When they started to do what? Like what?

[Dick Toledo]

Michigan State and Penn State.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but they're.

[Katie]

Then you could feel better about supporting the institution.

[John Holmberg]

Building a pretty big wall to say we're insulated from.

[Brett]

Yeah. And hopefully there's enough fallout, enough pressure.

[John Holmberg]

You know, it'd be great.

[Brett]

Look, there was, you know, it wasn't sexual abuse, but donating money and an uncle that donated a lot of money to Ohio State and they were misappropriating the use of the donations. They end up paying it back.

[John Holmberg]

They, they give it back to your uncle.

[Brett]

Not to my uncle. They basically filled the coffers back up that they, the money that they took out to use for they have a discretionary look at you. If you're ever donating to a university, make sure you check out the little clauses in there that says, hey, we have a right to a certain percentage the money to use for recruiting.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, sure. Advertising stuff like that. Yeah, for sure. Always looking to where you gave your money, said John Schubert. But still, it's a, yeah, it's crazy. So, yeah, I, I, I don't know how people do it. You got to walk away from all that stuff and just say, I'm not going to support this anymore. I'm not going to buy anymore. And what would be great because they just won that national championship and that's a huge money machine for all the shirts they sold and all the is to what would be amazing. The guy asked what would make you go back if the board of regents and then the guy who's in charge of the whole thing, the president of the college says, we're going to take every penny we make off national championship sales shirts, anything else, and we are going to give it to the victims Fund and we're going to say we were wrong and we're going to take our, our recent fortunes, good fortunes, and we're going to do what's right and we're going to try to heal the past because we did wrong. But no, right now they're just swimming in dough and like, look, we won a national championship. Everybody forgot about this other thing. This documentary is and this is wrestling and hockey.

[Brett]

You know, in football it was, they've.

[John Holmberg]

Hidden that too, because it was football. But they're like, nobody touches the Buckeye football.

[Brett]

Carry that on the smaller sports.

[John Holmberg]

Something something. Check out homework's morning sickness [e-mail] Holmberg's Morning Sickness.

[Katie]

Well, one time has kind of said the guy that produced it and he's on 60 Minutes and everything. He said, you know, the, the football players were guarded.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, they're not talking about that. That's. You want to talk about a city that just won't stop crying if that beloved football team turned out that there.

[Brett]

Was some separate country in itself. Football, every other sport.

[John Holmberg]

So it is different.

[Katie]

People are asking again, the name of the documentary is Surviving Ohio State. It's On Max.

[John Holmberg]

It's. It's like your jaw just is, like, open. Like, oh, my God. That hockey player. His life was ruined. He quit hockey. Just told her, I'm just not good enough and wouldn't tell anybody. Why? Because he'd been raped by the doctor. And he's like, I just can't. And he started drinking, and his life fell apart and just didn't. It was. It's brutal.

[Katie]

Didn't tell his parents.

[John Holmberg]

Of course not.

[Katie]

He dropped out. He'd lost his scholarship.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. His parents are like, why? He goes, I just quit. I'm not good enough. And his dad's like, you're. And he's. Yeah, it was. It's awful.

[Katie]

Nationals champion and all that.

[John Holmberg]

Lives ruined.

[Katie]

John, a doctor did things to me during a physical for flight school. I talked to other students because it really creeped me out. Nobody had the same thing happen to them. It really pissed me off. Oh, you should raise concerns.

[John Holmberg]

Sure. Get over there and confront it. If you feel like it's crazy, watch the documentary. It's nuts. And again, I'm one who always says, documentaries have their entertainment first. They have to be. And then. But this one seemed very, very intent on trying to say, will you do the right thing? Is there something you guys can do that makes this okay? Talk to us. And none of them would. None of the people in question would even answer.

[Katie]

John, I say this in no joking manner. You were raped, dude.

[John Holmberg]

I think so, too.

[Katie]

You should really think about this. And it's not a joking manner.

[John Holmberg]

No, I know, but it has been for 30 years, and I'm not really affected. I. And he solved your problem, and I got better.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So I walked away, like, going, wow, I didn't know your butt could do that. And then I watched American Pie when Stifler had it done. And, like, I've had that. I have read on the Internet since. And I never really, like, searching out whether or not I was raped. I'm sorry I laughed. It's happened to several people. During that exam now. I was 22, 23. So having your prostate checked a little extra thorough, a little over the top for, like, let's make sure you're okay, but.

[Brett]

Because I had a check a couple years ago.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well, you hit that walnut just right.

[Katie]

Did you pee?

[John Holmberg]

No. Yeah, I did.

[Brett]

No, but. So he had to go extensive. Your doctor had a. A better technique or something?

[John Holmberg]

Well, I think some guys. Some guys like it, and some guys thorough. I think the.

[Katie]

It's like your age also.

[John Holmberg]

It's like a Woman, if she's mentally not capable, you're not going to get her to finish. I was open to it, evidently. And I didn't even know. I was like. I was trusting. I was comfortable. I was in a good setting, relaxed. I was relaxed. I was like, I think he knows what he's doing. He hit the magic button. It wasn't a wonderful feeling. I just noticed that. I was like, well, that's new. That's right. That's normal. And he was not caring. He didn't hold me. He didn't say, you want to do that again? Which I probably might have said, yeah, let's try that. Now that I know, let's. I'll. I'll maneuver. There's a. Yeah, there's a possibility. When I watched that, and that guy in the documentary said, have you ever heard of anyone ejaculated during an exam? Guy's like, no. I'm like, oh, my God. And then I start laughing again. I'm like, oh, geez. But again, what am I gonna.

[Brett]

What?

[John Holmberg]

I would say, I don't remember the doctor's name. Huh?

[Brett]

I'd say, no, that's not true.

[John Holmberg]

That's what I thought.

[Brett]

I'm like, I know a guy that did.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that's what I said the second I saw it. I'm like, ooh, that hit home. But I'm not gonna lie. Since 1995, I've tried to do it myself several times and failed in the shower. Messing around down there can't happen.

[Katie]

You're over since.

[John Holmberg]

Well, the girl, the Bryan Adams girl used to talk about her ex boyfriend. Loved that.

[Katie]

Did she get close to where the doctor.

[John Holmberg]

She tried once she did it, she went in dry, which created the thing called the Shazam. And from there forward, I wasn't that into it anymore, but it happened after her. She Shazam'd me twice, and it was brutal. First time, I kind of knew it was coming.

[Brady]

She didn't knock first before she went in.

[John Holmberg]

Exactly. Yeah, there was none of that. Yeah, she just.

[Brady]

She just barge in, like a drug rage.

[John Holmberg]

Everybody on the ground, like, what happened?

[Katie]

What is that hurt?

[John Holmberg]

I'm like, jesus, it's like the Sahara down there. Spit on it. Something like, I'd never do that to you, jerk. And so, yeah, then the second time, it was more delicate and it was just. It was just too weird. The setting was odd. And she tried it, and I was, eh, eh, I'm not sure I'm into this. And a couple years later, the doctor did it absolutely the way I like It. Evidently he knocked first. Oh, he knocked first. Well, he had gloves covered in some weird jelly. I didn't feel it. Whoop, whoop. Like, what you do there. That's normal. Don't worry. And then he got some cloth and wiped up the. I was on my side, but now that I've seen this, I'm like, I think I might have gotten assaulted. And I think he was mad at me the whole time. Like, he treated me like I was. Like, I disappointed him. I just. I didn't feel bad leaving him. Like, that's okay. I do that all the time. Never, ever replicated it. I miss him so much. I don't remember his name. I just. I barely remember his face. He was the typical old man doctor. Those weird silver square glasses, grayish hair. Like, gray hair. I shouldn't say grayish. And just a lab coat. If you were to draw a doctor or if AI invent a doctor who's about 78 years old, he would pop up. Up. Anyway. Yeah. The Ohio State. And the more. The more important part of that whole documentary is if it was girls. When the girls. For Nasser and all that came forward, it was women. And it was at a time where, like, you got to take this serious. The men. It's like, I should have punched him.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And they're dismissed, so they didn't say much of anything. It's terrible documentary.

[Katie]

I'm the same age as you.

[John Holmberg]

Y.

[Katie]

And at PV High School, our coach used to check to see if we had a hernia every week.

[John Holmberg]

What?

[Katie]

That was the turn your head and cough. Our coach, not a doctor.

[John Holmberg]

A PE Coach would check for high school. That's what I'm saying. A PE coach.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

@ Paradise Valley High would check for hernias.

[Brett]

Turn your head and cough, and he'd grab your balls.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, my God. Well, you're my age. That happened.

[Brett]

Still there. Look into it.

[John Holmberg]

90S, John.

[Katie]

Maybe the doctor that you have also sees my friend because he goes every six months for a prostate exam. We make fun of him because I think he's secretly gay and he loves it.

[John Holmberg]

My buddy Mark and I don't want to use name stabbings. He used to go to the doctor and get fingered a lot. And I teased him about it. I got to get checked. Something's not right. I'm like, every week. This is out of control. It's not every week, you jackass. Like, you go more than anybody I know, John. He did actually have something going on, But I was teased not to bring.

[Dick Toledo]

Up a double standard.

[Katie]

But if The Ohio State documentary involved a female doctor. Would you feel the same way.

[John Holmberg]

If the female doctor was like tugging on the dude?

[Katie]

What Strauss was doing, what she looked like? Yeah. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know. That's a good question. That's a good question. I don't know if it was a female doctor and. But I would imagine it would go several different ways. These are testosterone. Oh, and he was also loading the guys up with testosterone and steroids and they didn't know.

[Katie]

Oh, he. He wrote the original studies.

[John Holmberg]

Steroids, giving them shots and lying about. Anyway. If it was a girl doctor, I have eyes. That's right. That's right. Brady is very much going to defend. This is the. I thought if it's a girl, those guys were going to have sex with that girl doctor. That would have been. There would have been a sex scandal and not a sexual assault.

[Katie]

John, my doctor seems extra thorough. He does the prostate exam while he's rubbing both my shoulders.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Not sure exactly how he does it, but I can give you his number if you're interested.

[John Holmberg]

I got a hernia check and he said, turn your head and kiss me. Does this normally happen in the prone position? Yes. Look over your shoulder. I'm doc. Call me Dr. Daddy. It's better for your prostate if I enter this way. Enter anyway. It's crazy and it's definitely worth a watch. This one says, I hope the broads are listening this morning. All this dick talk. Yeah, it's tough to watch, but yeah. Brady, your mom should call that Helixon guy and say I hate you until you do what's right. It might mean more from friends. It might mean more from friends that. It might mean more from inside the cult bubble that you start realizing the fans are mad and the loyal supporters are turning on the school because of you. That dude needs to say something. Before, it seemed pretty easy.

[Brett]

I'll write a letter. That's all they asked him. Would you write a letter?

[John Holmberg]

Wouldn't help him. Yeah, I'll stand with you. He says, I'll stand right with you. I'll be there. He's like, awesome, thank you so much. He's like, you bet. I'll be there. I'll write a letter to the thing and I'll get this straighten out and I will be with you when you. And he didn't show up and he didn't write a letter and he disappeared from their lives. Horrible human being. It's 7:37. What do you got on the big board of musical treats after that Fun chat.

[Brady]

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[John Holmberg]

There you go. Everybody's saying I've been raped. You're telling me that Brian Adams chick went Kool Aid? Man on Uranus. Oh, yeah, she bursted through that wall. Thirsty kids. Yeah. That was the same night that we lit candles and had soft music playing in the background. And she was going to introduce me to what she said her old boyfriend liked a ton, which was a lot of licky kissy of areas that you're not supposed to licky kiss. And I hated it. I hated having my knees up to my ears. I hated Was awful. That was the first time I was introduced to it. And I'm like, this is. I wanted to. I did cry. Like, tear rolled down my cheek, but I wasn't like sobbing. But I knew it was. I knew it wasn't something I was into at that moment.

[Brett]

Raped again.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that was a rape. I've said that out loud. She did, but she was, you know, I volunteered to try new things. I just didn't like them. And to her credit, when I said, stop, please stop, she did curl up.

[Brady]

In a ball and everything, too.

[John Holmberg]

Afterwards, she helped me. She was very gentle. She knew that. That she's like, oh, I guess not everybody's into it. I'm like, I guess not. That was weird. Pretty great. Yeah. You know, what are you gonna do? You have some moments, you try some new things. Sometimes you like them, sometimes you don't. We're never gonna do that again. That's all. I'm just not into that. And about three months later, she tried the old Shazam again. And I'm like, God damn it, knock it off. That old man, that Tempe office.

[Brady]

Hey, he fixed you.

[John Holmberg]

He fixed me. I peed normal. Like two days later, this dude knocked it out. I couldn't walk going into his office. Everything was bad. He was worried. I had stones. He checked for everything. I came out of there feeling better.

[Brett]

How many people said that about Strauss? You know, hey, but he fixed my.

[John Holmberg]

The other thing is nothing but championships.

[Brett]

There was a lot.

[John Holmberg]

A lot of champions in wrestling. A lot. I know. I also don't understand why a college has a fencing team. That's dumb. Put that away. That's just trying to be all things and like braggy dumb. I thought you're about education. We're also about fencing.

[Brady]

Don't should be sword fighting over here.

[John Holmberg]

There was a lot of sword fighting, that's for sure. All right.

[Brady]

On the list. Metallica. Short of straw for Trump, Angry Again for Trump. Countdown to shut down for Trump Ramstein for Israel. Black Sabbath. Iron man for Trump the Trooper for Israel. Prison sex from tool for Ohio State. Destroy everything for Trump Parkway Drive Motorhead Prong Whose Fist is it Anyway? For Trump and helmet and House of Pain. Just another victim for Ohio State.

[John Holmberg]

I think Whose fist is it Anyway? Applies to both what's going on with Trump and the story about Ohio State. We talk about. So whose Fist is it Anyway? By prong is the one. We'll go with this. Yeah, it's, you know, and if I was a Michigan fan. Oh, Dr. Strauss's nuthouse signs would be everywhere. Anytime anybody got injured, I'd be like, go see Dr. Strauss. He'll suck the pain out. I would be all over Ohio State for that. Problem is Michigan and Michigan State have both had their problems. Yeah.

[Brett]

Well. And other universities are waiting for that doctor to come out.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, well. You're hopeful.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Well, there's. There's definitely a trend.

[John Holmberg]

Absolutely. Taking advantage of young boys who are in incredible shape. There's a trend, all right. Scary. It's prong Whose Fist is this Anyway? If you have to ask, something bad's happening to you. It's 98, Arizona's most powerful rock radio station. He said fully erect.

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