06-26-25 - Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae - Getting Dale's Side Of How Golfing w/John And Brady Went - Dale's Thoughts On The Odd Choices For Suns Draft Picks

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness Podcast Summary Episode Date: June 26, 2025
Guest: Former Dallas Cowboy Offensive Lineman Dale Hellestrae
Host: John Holmberg, Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo
Platform: 98 KUPD | Hubbard Radio

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness hosted by John Holmberg, former Dallas Cowboy offensive lineman Dale Hellestrae joins the team to discuss a variety of topics ranging from their recent golfing adventures to critical insights on the Phoenix Suns' draft strategies.

Golfing Anecdotes and Banter

The conversation kicks off with humorous exchanges about their golfing experiences. Dale shares his frustrations with the host's unique golfing habits, particularly his tendency to "waggle" the golf club, which has become a point of playful contention among the group.

• Dale Hellestrae (03:00): “Here's what I don't like about when I do things with you. Whether it's go to Sun's game, whether it's Go golf... you are the only one that has a microphone.”

• John Holmberg (06:43): “...we're not going to go full pull on this deal. We're gonna be a gay married couple. It’s just ridiculous.”

The group delves into specific golfing mishaps, such as Dale getting stuck in a sand trap and the ensuing laughter and teasing that follows. Their camaraderie is evident as they recount these light-hearted moments.

• Dale Hellestrae (07:35): “I've got to see the top a head of his. I promise you.”

• John Holmberg (10:04): “Pink blocks. Those psychiatrists will show you a thing. Tell me what you see.”

Humorous Incidents on the Course

John shares a particularly amusing story about his interactions with a "car girl" during their golfing session, highlighting his awkward attempts at flirting and the resulting uncomfortable yet funny outcomes.

• John Holmberg (19:24): “I gave her a hundred dollars in the number. The tip is $100. And I did give her the dentist number. I'm like, he's right. You're a mess.”

Dale counters with his own experiences of being heckled, emphasizing the challenges athletes face with fan interactions.

• Dale Hellestrae (35:04): “I've always felt this way. Boo me. Make fun of me. Say whatever you want to say about me.”

Transition to Phoenix Suns Draft Discussion

Shifting gears, the conversation moves towards the Phoenix Suns' recent draft choices. Dale provides a critical perspective on the team's strategy, expressing concerns about their focus on potential rather than proven talent.

• Dale Hellestrae (30:08): “Going in on this house. Yeah.”

• John Holmberg (25:04): “You know what if I'm not hitting this level?”

Analyzing Draft Strategies and Player Potential

The duo discusses the implications of the Suns drafting young centers like Cattel Marte, questioning the long-term viability and readiness of these players to contribute effectively to the team.

• Dale Hellestrae (27:13): “Here's what scares me the most about is the fact he's 18 years old.”

• John Holmberg (27:55): “They're talking about deandre Ayton.”

They debate whether the Suns are genuinely committed to rebuilding or merely making superficial changes to appease fans without substantial improvement.

• John Holmberg (30:32): “You either do it or you don't, or you remain where you are. And I feel like this is where they're always going to be.”

Fan Reactions and Team Morale

The conversation touches on the emotional aspects of being a fan, especially when witnessing underwhelming team performance and questionable management decisions. Dale emphasizes the importance of team loyalty and the impact of fan sentiment on player morale.

• Dale Hellestrae (35:07): “I Think you got to take that with a grain of salt, but I don't think it's.”

• John Holmberg (35:04): “Yeah. Dale Hellestray: I Think you got to take that with a grain of salt, but I don't think it's.”

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode nears its end, John reflects on the overall dynamics of their discussions, highlighting the blend of humor and serious analysis that characterizes Holmberg's Morning Sickness. The episode wraps up with acknowledgments to contributors and a brief mention of upcoming topics.

• Dale Hellestrae (33:23): “Holmberg's morning sickness.”

• John Holmberg (35:33): “Trust me, you got most. No, comedians are good. You're the only good thing that's ever happened to radio.”

Key Takeaways

• Humor in Sports: The episode underscores the importance of camaraderie and humor among friends, especially when navigating the frustrations of sports and recreational activities like golf.

• Critical Analysis of Team Management: Dale provides a thoughtful critique of the Phoenix Suns' draft strategies, highlighting concerns about the reliance on young, inexperienced players and the potential long-term effects on the team's performance.

• Fan-Player Dynamics: The discussion sheds light on the complex relationship between fans and players, emphasizing how fan interactions can significantly impact player morale and team dynamics.

Notable Quotes

• John Holmberg (03:08): “That's right. You can spin it any way you want to.”

• Dale Hellestrae (05:05): “I have a good buddy. We've been friends since 8 years old... I would rather lose $20 to Brady and win $5 from him.”

• Brady Bogen (06:50): “But you. There's occasional. It just locks in.”

• John Holmberg (22:16): “Something, something. Check out Holmberg's morning sickness [e-mail] it's.”

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This episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness delivers a balanced mix of lighthearted banter and insightful sports analysis, making it a valuable listen for fans seeking both entertainment and thoughtful commentary.

Transcript

[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellestray]

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[John Holmberg]

Who is this Offspring?

[Dale Hellestray]

Who?

[John Holmberg]

You've heard of the Offspring? Shut up. The offspring 9:19 in the morning sickness and you hear his dulcet tones in the background. Dale Hellestray joins us once again brought to you by our [e-mail] which by the way, also I'm in a battle with Prestige Billiards and Turf Monsters for who wants to sell me a grill more because I said I was going to get a grill and the guy turf monsters. Ryan goes, hey, we do grills if you want to grill my Everybody's grilling. Everybody wants grill. Let me see you do. So now I'm going to pit friends against each other and see who can get this thing. I think I can whittle this down to where they're paying me. This is fantastic work.

[Dale Hellestray]

Are you a griller?

[John Holmberg]

No, not for other people. Like I'll go out and make myself a steak. But if they're friends for some reason.

[Dale Hellestray]

Your house, I would think Megan would be the griller.

[John Holmberg]

Good lord, no. You don't trust a woman at the grill.

[Dale Hellestray]

She's a man at a house.

[John Holmberg]

This is just. He's trying. Look, I know what he's doing. He's trying to set a little. Dale's been Doing some writing. He's working and he's working, so keep it up. Or we'll put sand around the building and you'll never get in anyway. Dale hellstraise here@prestigebilliads az.com youm can go there, use Meathead on there and get a discount and everything else. Or just call up and say, hey, Kevin, I've heard you on kupd. And then he'll tell you story after story that will go nowhere.

[Dale Hellestray]

And then a quick story.

[John Holmberg]

No, no such thing, a quick story. He calls him a quick story. And that basically means reserve the next 30 minutes for Kevin's words. And so there you go. Dale is here. Let's first, before. Do you want to get into your. Your bit? You've brought a bit.

[Brady]

He's got a bit.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I'm going to ruin it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Here's what I don't like about when I do things with you. Whether it's go to Sun's game, whether it's Go golf. See, you are the only one that has a microphone.

[John Holmberg]

That's right.

[Dale Hellestray]

You can. You can spin it any way you want to.

[John Holmberg]

And let me interrupt her by saying, that's what talent gets you. Otherwise they take the microphone away like you have experienced many, many times.

[Dale Hellestray]

Now, golfing the other day, I didn't realize you just write down a 20 if you hit it. Yes, in the.

[John Holmberg]

If I have to look for the ball, it's a 20.

[Dale Hellestray]

And yet you let little Brady go out there and maybe get bit by a rattlesnake.

[John Holmberg]

What did I say to Brady? Don't look for it. He can't get enough. Yeah.

[Brady]

I'm addicted to finding golf balls.

[John Holmberg]

And he thinks people are impressed when he spots it. I hate it. And I'll take a golf ball that I just didn't like the shot and throw it in the desert.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And I see his brain like, what are you doing?

[Brady]

And I'm hoping there's a rattler.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, actually, he was out there looking through bushes, finally found it, toss it back to you, and then you threw it back in the desert.

[John Holmberg]

I didn't want it. I told him not to do it. So I don't want that ball. It's a jitsu ball. Yeah. I have a thing. And it mainly comes from playing with people who cheat in scores where they'll go out, hit a ball in a bush, they reach down in the bush, they dig it out, they pick it up, they put it back on grass, hit a shot, and they're walking off the green going five.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Like Five. You walked around with it for a while. That's at least a 20. You're disqualified to five. And then they seriously like a shot in 83. I'm like, you did not. Like, there's nine strokes of you walking around with the ball for a second.

[Dale Hellestray]

Especially. Especially if you're playing for money.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

You know, you want to cheat when you're just out there. Whatever.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. But then don't start telling me what you did on that hole. Don't start going birdie. I'm like, birdie. Like you. You nurtured it for a few minutes in your hands that you can't do that. So I put a 20 on a bad hit to make those guys feel horrible if they decide to start scoring themselves favorably.

[Dale Hellestray]

I have a good buddy. We've been friends since 8 years old, and he went to Notre Dame on a football scholarship and whatever. We're still huge competitors. Best friends. But I would rather lose $20 to Brady and win $5 from him.

[John Holmberg]

Right.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because that's just our relationship. And so when we would play, if I got a five and he got an eight.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

I write down six for him. And so at the end of the day, really, I cut about 12 strokes off his score.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And he's like, oh, I shot a 95. I said, yeah, you played. So it was handicapped. He never went.

[John Holmberg]

He never, never changed. Oh, what an idiot. And that's. That's amazing. You've been outwitted by Dale. This guy shouldn't be allowed in a car.

[Dale Hellestray]

All right, so.

[John Holmberg]

All right, so you've got a video of me swinging a golf club.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's not the swing. The swing is fine. But it's the pre show.

[Brady]

Look at how beautiful that is.

[John Holmberg]

That is a Nico Paul gun.

[Dale Hellestray]

2, 3.

[John Holmberg]

I've got a waggle.

[Dale Hellestray]

4, 5, 6, 7.

[Dick Toledo]

Is this.

[John Holmberg]

13? 14.

[Brady]

Is this the one where he does a little dip? There, There. There's the bob.

[John Holmberg]

That's a good looking swing. That's actually a pretty good looking swing, except for evidently that was a garbage hit. And you know why that was a garbage hit? Because I got used to behind me. There's no audio on this.

[Dale Hellestray]

Come on, hit the ball. I was like, I couldn't watch anymore.

[John Holmberg]

That makes the waggle worse.

[Dale Hellestray]

I had to turn and look away.

[John Holmberg]

You think. You think your swing's pretty?

[Dale Hellestray]

No, but I don't waggle for five minutes.

[John Holmberg]

I wouldn't waggle for five minutes if you'd shut up.

[Dale Hellestray]

You did what I.

[John Holmberg]

What I said to the card quietly. No, I Waggle.

[Dale Hellestray]

Is that. Is. Is that annoying? You being a good golfer is annoying to see Johnny and you know he's going to slice it.

[John Holmberg]

You don't know that.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, we knew you were going to slice it.

[John Holmberg]

Dale. I. I beat you by 20 strokes there. Yeah. I have a whack. I can't. And it's weird because it's this. It's uncontrollable.

[Dale Hellestray]

I asked you to hit one.

[John Holmberg]

Can't do it.

[Brady]

It's gotten. Oh, 10 times the last year or so, but it's.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[Brady]

But you. There's occasional. It just locks in.

[John Holmberg]

You can't. Surprisingly, it's gotten better, which is a crazy.

[Dale Hellestray]

You used to waggle. More than that.

[John Holmberg]

There was a time when I couldn't stop it. I'd have to actually start yelling at the club. He'd yell at himself, come on, idiot.

[Dale Hellestray]

Before, and I don't remember.

[John Holmberg]

It just started last year and I don't know where it came. So remember when Charles Bark. I told you this. When Charles Barkley had that weird thing and you're like, why doesn't he just stop doing that?

[Dale Hellestray]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

It's in his head. It's a mental.

[Dale Hellestray]

Golf will do that.

[John Holmberg]

It is a weird. Like, once I started to do it, I'm like, I gotta stop it. Like, my brain. I'm like, just stop it, Stop it, Stop it. Your hands just keep going. You're like, I don't know how to stop this. Like, my hands are doing this involuntarily now. And then I find once the. Once the club hits the ground, I'm good.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

But I cannot get it.

[Dale Hellestray]

So just put it down.

[John Holmberg]

I've tried that. And you know what usually happens? It lifts back up and starts going. But once I waggle and then the thing hits and I do the dip with my shoulder, it's good. It's this weird. I don't know what happened. It's a mental thing.

[Dale Hellestray]

I mean, if. If you were, like, on TV for some weird reason, the announcers would be.

[Brady]

All over Sergio Garcia.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. Sergio Garcia had nothing on John Olberg.

[John Holmberg]

It's a hitch. And it's a weird hitch.

[Dale Hellestray]

I started calling him Serge.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's a weird hitch. Now, the problem with that being this one says, yeah, he said, this guy needs to be banned from the station again. Have him go do his excuse of a podcast till he learns how to tread out of a sand trap. That's right. People are on my side. You don't make fun of the wagon. You trapped in the sand trap. I Did not film that. But you want to talk about annoying and taking up all day?

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay, but let's be honest. Brady. Brady will be the arbitrator.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay. That was a unbelievably deep thing.

[Brady]

It was a deep trap.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I mean, I got in there to help him in and then popped right off.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, you did not get in.

[John Holmberg]

You walked around in it for a while. Yeah, I walked around while you were talking. You were struggling.

[Brady]

He knew better not to get in.

[John Holmberg]

You used my human flesh as a guide to get in it. You needed to balance to get in there. It wasn't that deep.

[Dale Hellestray]

It was as deep a sand trap as I've ever been in.

[John Holmberg]

That's not true.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, Brady, I don't know.

[Brady]

You played a lot of chords.

[John Holmberg]

You've been in a lot of Sand Trap.

[Dale Hellestray]

If Brady was in there, you couldn't see the top of his head. I promise you.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that doesn't mean anything. There's a way out.

[Dale Hellestray]

There wasn't a way out. Usually there's one part of the sand.

[John Holmberg]

Trap where you can step out. Bottom line was it took you about 18 minutes to climb out with your.

[Dale Hellestray]

Head, and I crawled.

[John Holmberg]

Hilarious. We all watched. And then the worst part is there was a staircase to leave the green to the cart. You took three breaks.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, well, I was about. I was about ready to say, f this course, you're ready to throw an ad.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's fine. But the worst thing that would have happened there is you'd have had to walk all the way back to the thing because I wasn't leaving. And I was.

[Dale Hellestray]

But no, I. I would have kicked you out.

[John Holmberg]

My favorite part of the golf day with Dale was his ass crack was sweating so hard, and he bent down to put a ball.

[Dale Hellestray]

Why are you looking at that?

[John Holmberg]

Dude, you can't help it. It's everywhere.

[Brady]

He's an old man.

[John Holmberg]

Also, it's everywhere. It's unavoidable. It's a panoramic. And so you bent down. I'm like, jesus Christ, that ass crack looks like a Rorschach test. And he goes, what the hell's a Rorschach test? I'm like, take your pants off and tell me what you see. It was the best setup I've ever had. You still don't know what a Rorschach is?

[Dale Hellestray]

I have no clue.

[John Holmberg]

Pink blocks. Those psychiatrists will show you a thing. Tell me what you see. Oh, my God.

[Dale Hellestray]

Have you.

[John Holmberg]

How long have you been on the planet psychiatrist?

[Dale Hellestray]

John? I'm a normal human.

[John Holmberg]

You've seen movies.

[Dale Hellestray]

He's steady.

[John Holmberg]

They hold. You're a normal human. They hold up the blots of ink on a thing and they show it to you. You're like, what do you see?

[Dale Hellestray]

That's a roar Block Rorschach Roar. That's so stupid. It is stupid.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. That you can't say it. It's even more stupid. Okay, so yeah, but your ass was making like a thing. It looked like you could see a butterfly.

[Dale Hellestray]

Worked hard out there, Johnny.

[John Holmberg]

You worked hard getting out of a.

[Brady]

Sand trip that's been miss a fairway.

[John Holmberg]

That's right.

[Dale Hellestray]

Hey, the worst part about it was.

[John Holmberg]

I drove him around. He missed a few.

[Dale Hellestray]

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[Dale Hellestray]

Holmberg's Morning Sickness. The worst part of it was the fact that our host, Jeff. Jeff Scott, who was unbelievable. Great, great host, goes, oh, well, the other. The other 18.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's flat now here. I need to get on both of you guys because Jeff hosted the golf. He invited us. Yes, he got it for free. Okay, okay. And so I'm sitting there waiting. Dale goes, I'm gonna go grab a hot dog. And he leaves. And, like, I'll wait here. Evidently, Brady and Jeff were already inside the restaurant. You see them, you plop down.

[Dale Hellestray]

I said, text John. Tell him I'm in.

[John Holmberg]

Didn't bother me. I don't care about that part. So I'm like. And so I get a text from Brady eventually that says, come in the restaurant. I'm like, oh, they're going to be eating for a while. I thought we were ready to go. It was five minutes before we're supposed to tee off. So I go in. I see everybody there. Jeff just made him. Great guy. Hey, thanks, Jeff. Great day. Thanks for having us out. Brady's got chicken wings, tostadas, a couple taquitos. Dale's got a hot dog, fries, couple drinks flowing. Everybody's good. And the bill comes, and I watch nobody move but Jeff. And he reaches and gives the girl the card. And I turn to Brady. I'm like, you're letting him pay? And he goes, he got it bartered like you sons of bitches didn't pay for his lunch. Doesn't matter. You don't offer. You just do it.

[Brady]

But, yeah, no. He's like, no, I want to get it.

[Dale Hellestray]

And he goes, let me get this.

[John Holmberg]

And the answer is no. And it isn't, let me get this. It's like, I'm getting this.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay, let's go back to the rah rah. Dude paid.

[John Holmberg]

No, no, no, no.

[Dale Hellestray]

When you go, oh, nobody got anything.

[John Holmberg]

For free there so quick.

[Dale Hellestray]

I didn't even know you were Paid.

[John Holmberg]

I paid to be there.

[Dale Hellestray]

What?

[John Holmberg]

I pay a membership to be there.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm your guest, John.

[John Holmberg]

That's right, I'm your guest. And I shouldn't have had to lift a finger that night and pay for a thing. You got a ticket out of me. You got a trip into a beautiful restaurant.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, the best part is the parking.

[John Holmberg]

Well, the parking was pretty solid too. Yeah, that was pretty nice. Yeah, it gave him free parking. That's right. Underneath.

[Dale Hellestray]

And I bought.

[John Holmberg]

And it was a struggle, but I watched this guy give us free golf at a beautiful place and he had to buy his own life.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, well, because he. He likes us, John.

[John Holmberg]

You never put your wallet away from that situation. To the host.

[Dale Hellestray]

Who bought the first round of drinks on the course first?

[John Holmberg]

Jeff did. I'm talking about it right now. There was a round of drinks on the table too. He bought drinks I didn't have. Well, you had a Coke. Yeah, that was your choice. You could have ordered something else. You weren't paying for anything and you never. It's like when the host says, hey, I got the round of golf. And then you say, I want to pick this up. There's no.

[Dale Hellestray]

He wouldn't let Brady.

[John Holmberg]

Brady. Oh, was there a wrestling match? Cuz somehow or another he got his card out.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, Brady.

[John Holmberg]

So he wouldn't let Brady, but you guys let him.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

That's just horrible. What a couple of freeloading pieces of garbage.

[Brady]

I've been in his shirt. No, no, no, I got this.

[John Holmberg]

Somebody pays for the round of golf, they don't pay for another thing all day.

[Brady]

I've had it happen before.

[John Holmberg]

Then you screwed up.

[Dale Hellestray]

Have you ever paid for a round of golf for three other people? And you.

[John Holmberg]

Good lord, no, I don't. If it's not free, I'm not going. That's ridiculous. The rules. Yeah, it's not. Whoever, whoever. By the way, I pay politicians. I'm a huge payer. Whoever. Whoever books it first round. Whoever books it and gets it free. Yeah, they're not paying for anything all day. You get me tickets to a ballgame, you're not paying for a thing all day. You can sit and say, I don't want you to pay. Doesn't matter. You're not paying another thing all day.

[Dale Hellestray]

Again. I think the fact that Brady had his wallet out.

[John Holmberg]

What about you?

[Dale Hellestray]

I didn't care.

[John Holmberg]

Fair enough. At least somebody's got the guts to say so instead of this terrible. Oh, he wouldn't let me. What is he rewarded?

[Dale Hellestray]

Brady wanted to pay for it and.

[John Holmberg]

He wouldn't let him. So Brady let that guy pay. Why didn't you stop him from paying? He can stop you. He's so powerful.

[Brady]

There's times, you know, when a guy's adamant that he wants to know.

[John Holmberg]

That's just. That's garbage.

[Dale Hellestray]

I don't know. I paid for three. Three rounds at the Rah Room. And every time you said, you play so quick. I can't.

[John Holmberg]

I was being nice to you.

[Dale Hellestray]

I was.

[John Holmberg]

Look, Dale, I was very impressed.

[Dale Hellestray]

Do that so quick.

[John Holmberg]

I was very impressed.

[Brady]

That's a good impression.

[John Holmberg]

It was. I was very impressed at the protocol that you actually understood. This guy's is kicking ass tonight. It's. The least I can do is get him.

[Dale Hellestray]

I understand that. That's why I.

[John Holmberg]

Food and a drink.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, but if I. Again, if I didn't pay. And you act. You kept looking the other way while the bill was right.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I didn't know you'd done it. I'm like, you are pretty quick with that bill. Thank you, Dale. That's very nice. A lot of people wait for me to pay for the night I'm hosting. Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And that's ridiculous.

[John Holmberg]

I agree.

[Dale Hellestray]

But now.

[John Holmberg]

But you guys had no problem with that.

[Dale Hellestray]

But if the bill was there and I threw my credit card down and you go, no, no, no. Tonight's on me. Here, take the car. I'm not gonna fight you on it.

[John Holmberg]

You should. Absolutely should. A decent person would. A decent person says, no.

[Brady]

Here's the other thing at all. That's not like the last time I'm gonna golf with him again.

[John Holmberg]

No, actually, I golfed with him after you guys left. He goes, that is the last time I'm asking for a cheap son of a bitch. That's exactly what he said. And then he said, you can come with me anytime, John. And I gave him another hundred. And I'm like, I'm sorry for my friends. I'm so sorry for my friends. Is what I said. Terrible.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, my goodness.

[John Holmberg]

And then the other thing, the car girl comes by and you announce loudly, whatever 20% is added in. I'm like, what year are you from? This girl is driving around 130 degrees.

[Dale Hellestray]

She had to put up with you, John.

[John Holmberg]

Not at all.

[Dale Hellestray]

20.

[John Holmberg]

No, you. I was hitting on you. I can't help that she laughs at what I say. I was doing it to make you uncomfortable, and it was worth.

[Dale Hellestray]

You and car girls. You think every car girl loves you. I.

[Brady]

Yes, you do.

[John Holmberg]

You're worse than anybody.

[Brady]

And then when you dropped your pants.

[John Holmberg]

That was of Course, I dropped my pants. I had a driver. I had to swing the driver. That didn't happen.

[Dale Hellestray]

Utter miniature.

[John Holmberg]

No. And it gets the job done. Short, long putts. It's good for all.

[Dale Hellestray]

I mean, this girl gave you so many courtesy laughs.

[John Holmberg]

You were so upset by it, and all I was talking about was how many balls I had. And you were so uncomfortable that I pushed it. And she kept laughing. I wasn't coming on her.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes, you were, for Christ's sake.

[John Holmberg]

What did I say at that moment? I looked at you and I said, I'm not doing this because she's laughing. I'm doing it because. Making you uncomfortable. I made it a point to tell her, don't worry about it, sister. You're not that great looking to begin with.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes. You did not say, thank you, La la land. Just like you are.

[John Holmberg]

If you would have said Ken was different. That girl okay? No, cuz Kieran's girl came up and started to say, just got new boobs put in.

[Brady]

What are you thinking?

[John Holmberg]

I'm like, we're in trouble, boys.

[Dale Hellestray]

And your next drive, where did it go?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, into the. I don't even. It's still flying left. I have no idea where that thing went.

[Brady]

That was uncomfortable on was Brandon.

[John Holmberg]

Brendan Donnelly telling the car girl.

[Dale Hellestray]

She pulls up to us, who's Brandon?

[John Holmberg]

He used to play for the Angels and the Pirates. He was a base pitcher, evidently. We hook up for golf. I played Little League baseball with him in New Mexico and we found that out there. I'm like, holy cow, we're on the same team. He spent the night at my house. We were friends in fourth grade. We didn't even know it. And we're golfing 35 years later. So we're golfing, the car girl comes up, and he's new in town. Brandon goes, I just moved here, and we're standing next to the car girl, and I've got the card out. And he goes, hey, you have a good dentist or anything? I just got. Do you have a dentist? No, to me.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh.

[John Holmberg]

And I said, yeah, I got a great dentist. I'll give you the number in a second. Hang on. He goes, no, don't give it to me. Give it to her. She needs it more than me. Her teeth were a mess. And then he walks away. And I'm standing there looking at her in this picket fence of teeth. Her teeth were at war. And I'm like, I am so sorry.

[Brady]

I'm pretty sure she heard it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Do you know?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, do you know?

[Dale Hellestray]

How.

[John Holmberg]

Do you know how Hard it is to make me uncomfortable. And it dropped me like. And I walked back to the cart. And I'm like, you bastard. And he is dying. Well, somebody's gotta tell her. And we drove away. I'm like, brendan Donnelly is my favorite.

[Dale Hellestray]

Did you click 20 or did you. Did you double that?

[John Holmberg]

I gave her a hundred dollars in the number. The tip is $100. And I did give her the dentist number. I'm like, he's right. You're a mess. Like, you look like you're. Hey, Jaws, you're gonna need.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, my God.

[John Holmberg]

It was bad.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, but. But this car girl was. It was sweet and fun.

[John Holmberg]

Which one? I didn't look at her once. I was watching you get uncomfortable. I was digging in. Homework.

[Brady]

She had to get home.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, that other girl, she was fun. We liked her. I wasn't flirting with the. The first one for sure. The second one I was just making fun of.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, you weren't making fun of it.

[John Holmberg]

Absolutely. You can't tell the difference.

[Dale Hellestray]

You got a couple laughs and you and your barrels.

[John Holmberg]

My life is. I got a couple laughs. You just think I'm barreling in. That's just how I live. I can't help it. I walk in, people start laughing. I haven't figured it out. I know. I'm setting you up now. Come on. I'm good at setups too. See, I'm good at it all day.

[Dale Hellestray]

Did you have fun golfing with me?

[John Holmberg]

Actually had a really good time. It was fun. The second 18 was better. When. When you weren't there. I really had fun, but it was fun. Yeah, you're to. You're fun. Dale is fun to hang out with.

[Dale Hellestray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

It's non stop fun to watch you try to walk and dig out of sand traps and swing a club.

[Brady]

The best ham and eggers in Arizona.

[John Holmberg]

Hysterical.

[Dale Hellestray]

If I ever get hit in that gol in that sand trap again, I'm just leaving the ball.

[John Holmberg]

You should have.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm just.

[John Holmberg]

First time. I loved it. You look like one of the thriller zombies trying to climb out. All right. You're here for sports. We're going to take a break. We're going to come back and talk. Well, Dale, it's what success sounds like.

[Brady]

You want to coming in here?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You want him? Give us the time. I'm in control around this place. We're going to take a break, Dale. Hell street will talk about the sun's draft next.

[Dale Hellestray]

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[Dale Hellestray]

Holmberg's morning sickness.

[John Holmberg]

Gotta say thanks to our friend Anthony Pagliso who came by and dropped off some water. But Glieso, one of Brett's peeps. Popeyes. He's a good dude.

[Brady]

And Adam Cox from Sanderson.

[John Holmberg]

That's right. Sanderson, Lincoln. Adam. Dropped off. Okay. Tons of it. Non stop. What a day for Operation Hydra. Dale, did you drop off or did you just expect the host to do it?

[Dale Hellestray]

I ain't going to the west.

[John Holmberg]

Well, you didn't do it. Here you come here. Drop off in.

[Dale Hellestray]

That's a long way to carry. Get your own water.

[John Holmberg]

And he calls you the Jew. Oh, exactly. Man. Try to figure this guy out. Didn't even reach for his. Let's get right to it. Dale.

[Dale Hellestray]

You are unbelievable.

[John Holmberg]

Alligator arms. And great job this morning.

[Dale Hellestray]

Thanks.

[John Holmberg]

Sacrificing your time for not making the host pay for everything. Let me take you guys out to dinner. You're paying. You're welcome of them. Let's talk songs.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm gonna pull out my rah rah receipts.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I know. So will I.

[Dale Hellestray]

So will I.

[John Holmberg]

So will I. Oh, you got receipt tickets. Quiet down. Parking. You got a great treat that night.

[Dale Hellestray]

And you were a $22 strip scampi each.

[John Holmberg]

You were. You were exceptionally good at paying until you left. And then we took care of the big Bill.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because I had nothing.

[John Holmberg]

You didn't pay for that scampi. Anyway. Anyway, let's talk sun since you're in the RAH Run room.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Draft yesterday again.

[Dale Hellestray]

I hope they double the price of your season tickets.

[John Holmberg]

It's already too late. We already got next year's tickets and I swear to you right now, this is it. This is it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Really? So. So. What do you mean, so this is it. Does that mean like 40 wins and you'll be back?

[John Holmberg]

If this is a surprisingly good team.

[Brady]

That'S a good way to put it. Put a number.

[John Holmberg]

I should put an over under on that.

[Brady]

You know what if I'm not hitting this level?

[John Holmberg]

Eight seed or better. No player make the playoffs. Eight or better. I don't know what the win. It's probably about 40.

[Dale Hellestray]

Remember, the A seed is a play in.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's what I mean though. You know, you're in the playoffs no matter what. At 8. You're controlling your playoffs. 10, 9 and 10 are the ones that are kind of 7 and 8.

[Dale Hellestray]

Are in it too.

[John Holmberg]

No, no, that's what I'm saying. Seven and eight do that. But they're, they're going to be in the playoffs no matter what if they cut off the, the additional 9 and 10.

[Brady]

So if they make the playoffs, you'll still top it.

[John Holmberg]

No, no, no. Top eight playoffs is, is. I'm not doing nine and 10. Those were additions a few years ago as gifts to not make teams tank. They're not good teams.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's like the NCAA. Do you see where they go to 76 teams in the tournament?

[John Holmberg]

It's a money gone ridiculous, stupid money grab.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

So if they do that, that's fine now, right?

[Dale Hellestray]

Are you back with Aurora Room?

[John Holmberg]

We'll talk about that later. Because the guy I just mentioned, Anthony Bugliso and I, we're running a little system here. We're not going to go full pull on this deal. We're gonna. We're gonna be a gay married couple.

[Dale Hellestray]

Going in on this house. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

It's just ridic.

[Dale Hellestray]

Is what. How much was it?

[John Holmberg]

It's 15,000 to get in.

[Dale Hellestray]

Is it every year or is that one time every year?

[John Holmberg]

I know. And it might go up and if they raise that price, it's like. No, it's not that.

[Dale Hellestray]

For what? I mean, your girl's up in Indiana. She ain't gonna be back.

[John Holmberg]

What you talking. Who's in Indiana? Oh.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I was like, what are we talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She. And she's got 600,000 new followers. Sophie Cunningham's exploded. It was a matter of time.

[Dale Hellestray]

All you gotta do is headlock a girl and look what happens.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You fight a girl on TV and people want to watch more of that. Anyway, the Suns get Common Maluak.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Which sounds like a thing from Indiana Jones. Come on. Maluak, center seven two Duke. Beneficiary of having the two best players in the league on his team. So I think a lot of his stats are.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Canipple, which I love. Canipple and flag. And that means that his baskets came easier. So shooting percentage to me is a bit padded. And his ability to play the game was a little bit easier because defenses weren't focused on him and he was on a really good team.

[Dale Hellestray]

Here's what scares me the most about is the fact he's 18 years old. Yep. Okay. So they are looking at him as boy, how good can he be in two to three years weight rooms and.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And all. And training table and all that stuff. Stuff that and you know what potential does? Potential gets people fired.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It's true.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because we're looking for this. Well, does he become that or does he not become that? The history shows big men who are not equipped never become what you hope.

[John Holmberg]

They're talking about deandre Ayton.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right. We're talking about a lot of big men over the years. If they don't have like. If you don't look at them like a Kim Olajuwon.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Or people like Patrick Ewing or don't. Whatever. Patrick Ewing. You saw him, you knew he's gonna be successful. These other guys that you see, whether. So DeAndre Eaton or. Hey, in two or three years, this guy's gonna be.

[John Holmberg]

The argument to that is always Giannis Anticumpo, who was a skinny string bean coming out, but was. He didn't go in the weight room and get big. The kid just got bigger.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

So the hope is, and you're right, the potential is, wow. If he's. He's not done growing yet.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

So this kid gets thicker.

[Dale Hellestray]

Fills out.

[John Holmberg]

Right. If, if, if I've seen Sudanese adults.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

People from South Sudan never show up thick. It's just not a thing. They're just long, tall people.

[Dale Hellestray]

So, John, I guess my, my question to you is, as an ardent Suns fan is you now have five shooting guards, you have four centers.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It's terrible.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. How's that going to work out for you?

[John Holmberg]

I don't think it is. And there's the weirder part. You draft a guy in the lottery. And you say, here's our future at center. And then you make a trade like five minutes later for another center who's 23.

[Dale Hellestray]

And you supposedly have two centers on your team already.

[John Holmberg]

And you've already got a guy you traded last year, you traded people to get him and the guy you traded with him, you traded away back to the team. It's a mess.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[Brady]

I think you're just going to play.

[John Holmberg]

Seven minutes last year for the Suns is now back in Charlotte.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, you look at it and you go, what's the plan here?

[John Holmberg]

Isn't one. That's what I was arguing with Kevin Ray last night. He's like no athlete. Super athletes, you know, he's going to come off the bench. You got to hope to develop him and everything else. And like, why did you draft a center and then trade for another one?

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Because you knew that trade was coming. You didn't expect this kind of. It just seems rudderless.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, obviously Kevin Ray is not going to say anything that you would go on air with negative.

[John Holmberg]

Sure he would. Kevin and I talk freely. You should hear what he calls Kevin Booker.

[Dale Hellestray]

He calls me, says, yeah, Johnny's trying to get some stuff out of me. I know it's going to go on the air. Oh, it's not just like the golf stuff. Yes. All that should have just told.

[John Holmberg]

True.

[Dale Hellestray]

A friendly outing with us then, not the hundred listeners you got.

[John Holmberg]

If you, if you fall in a sand trap and roll around for half an hour, I'm going to talk about it.

[Dale Hellestray]

I never fell. I crawled.

[John Holmberg]

So are you happy with the pick? As a Suns fan, I, I, I. What do you tell Suns fans?

[Dale Hellestray]

I just that it's going to be.

[John Holmberg]

A long, a long talk. And again, are we back to John's plan then? Let's trade Devin Booker if we're going to rebuild and be smart about it.

[Dale Hellestray]

You and I, that's one thing we did agree on. I said trade Durant, trade Booker. Do whatever you can with.

[John Holmberg]

You can't half heartedly rebuild.

[Dale Hellestray]

No.

[John Holmberg]

You either do it or you don't, or you remain where you are. And I feel like this is where they're always going to be.

[Brady]

So, Dale, did you talk to Tom Chambers about this?

[John Holmberg]

And it was his birthday this weekend. Happy birthday to tc. Hell of a guy.

[Dale Hellestray]

My buddy.

[John Holmberg]

Your boy Tom.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah, my boy Tom.

[John Holmberg]

But yeah, I mean, as you tell there, it's going to take forever. They're not serious about rebuilding.

[Dale Hellestray]

Here's the thing, okay, let's take Devin Booker, for instance. If he Wants to stay here. Why is that?

[John Holmberg]

I don't know.

[Dale Hellestray]

He doesn't want to win.

[John Holmberg]

Does he not have the drive to be a champion?

[Dale Hellestray]

Does he not want to win? That's what I'm looking at. If I'm Devin Booker and I'm looking at this scenario.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm going, we're three, four years away. If we get lucky.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

From being competitive. And that's if we get lucky. I want to go somewhere where I can win.

[Brady]

When you bronnie up and say, I want to put my championship team as.

[John Holmberg]

It stands right now, do you chase the title or you just stay here and hope that your Larry Fitzgerald and the team stumbles into something and maybe get a chance? Because that's where, that's what he's got to hope. That's what he has to hope for. Because right now they're not on any track to be better than Oklahoma, to be better than all the top teams. They made the Houston Rockets better.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

So, I mean, here's the thing.

[Dale Hellestray]

If, if, if you look at Devin Booker, he's a big thing in Phoenix.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

If he goes to 15 other cities, he's. He's a good basketball player. He's not, he's not great.

[John Holmberg]

He's not face the franchise. Exactly.

[Dale Hellestray]

You know, and, and I think that's what's scary when I hear all these fans go, oh, they trade Devin Booker. I'm not, I'm not buying tickets.

[John Holmberg]

Okay. Don't.

[Dale Hellestray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Because nobody's going to want him when he's there anyway. They're still going to leave season tickets with a 38 win season again. And Devin Booker.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

So you get. They're not serious about it. I take a 25 win season and like, let's start over. Let's get this right.

[Dale Hellestray]

Well, what I, what I would love to see is, I'd love to see them play hard for 82 games.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's been years.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

That's been since Chris Paul left.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yeah. Yeah. But I'd like to see that again and again. I can get behind a team who's, who's kind of rebuilding, but man, they're getting the right guys in here a little bit. Like the Cardinal, the Cardinals, whether they won a whole lot of games or not, they were never blown out. They played hard, they fought hard, they just weren't talented.

[John Holmberg]

They just weren't good enough to beat you. And when it all came at the cream Rising made it so like, we're not as good as you, but man, we gave you a fight.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I don't mind that at all. That Cardinals team was entertaining last year.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

They were fun to watch because you knew if this team's resting on them, Cardinals will beat them.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

They'll take you. And that's the coaching and everything.

[Dale Hellestray]

God forbid. We're in Arizona the summer now. We got the Diamondbacks and what's going on.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, let's talk about that. You're a guy who has been heckled, I'm sure, by most of the. What they call them villagers, when Dale walks through with their pitchforks and their fire, heckling and crying. That's new.

[Dale Hellestray]

No, here's the thing. I've always felt this way. Boo me.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Make fun of me.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dale Hellestray]

Say whatever you want to say about me.

[John Holmberg]

You got it.

[Dale Hellestray]

Stay away from family.

[John Holmberg]

Don't. Yeah. Don't attack. But if they do, aren't you dismissed enough to not let that bother you? Something's going on with Cattel Marte that I'd be worried about more than I am this heckler. If I'm the Diamondbacks, I'm like, there's a lot going on. They may know he's got something personal.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because my dad passed away during training camp in 98. I played three more years after that, and I'm trying to think how I would have acted again. Even a dad and a mom are different to me.

[John Holmberg]

Me, sure.

[Dale Hellestray]

At different feelings for my mom than. Right than my dad. But if. If they. If they started talking about my dad.

[Brady]

It pissed y' all.

[Dale Hellestray]

It would piss me off. I. I don't think I would cry.

[John Holmberg]

So you don't react?

[Dale Hellestray]

No.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Well, I mean, you might fight.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Or yell at him. Yes. But the crying thing tells me he's got. He's emotionally fragile right now because of other things. Again, it sounds cold.

[Brady]

That's a fan. What if a player would start doing. I mean, you're pissed off, but you.

[John Holmberg]

Got a chance to hit that.

[Brady]

Yeah, exactly.

[John Holmberg]

So if he wants to mouth off, he's got to back it up. There's an actual competition there. Some dude protected by a wall can shout all he wants. You like, this guy's an asshole, and you can ask to have him removed and whatever, but the fact that he emotionally broke down on the field tells me there's something bad going on.

[Dale Hellestray]

And again, I know some people say, oh, get over it. It's been a few years, and. And all that. I. I. No. Nobody knows how every. How a person is going to react and what that relationship was like, but fans are idiots.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

I Think you got to take that with a grain of salt, but I don't think it's.

[John Holmberg]

Get over it. I think is. Have you not coped with this enough that some stranger can still bring this back? Music Coming up, entertainment.

[Dale Hellestray]

Hold on, we're not going.

[John Holmberg]

We're closing up. This is.

[Dale Hellestray]

Hold on, we're not going. Another break.

[John Holmberg]

No, we're not. We're. We're. We're playing you off. Thanks for coming for your award.

[Dale Hellestray]

I got my full time. You got that other.

[John Holmberg]

Totally gotcha. Trust me, you got most. No, comedians are good. You're the only good thing that's ever happened to radio.

[Dale Hellestray]

Yes, please.

[John Holmberg]

No, it's. I. Yeah. Because I've never. You've never heard of a guy who's getting heckled by. I'm sure when you guys went to New York to play the Giants or Philadelphia, you're hearing some stuff and all your players are like, oh my God.

[Dale Hellestray]

I'm gonna tell you. So I played one year with the Raiders.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And we were in New York playing the jets and an entire section, John. An entire section.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

Started chanting, Howie Long played on the team. How he takes it up the duda. It's like this whole section and you can't do anything about it.

[John Holmberg]

But he didn't start crying.

[Dale Hellestray]

Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

But it's like, like, that's hilarious. Cuz you guys had to start laughing.

[Dale Hellestray]

It's like, oh my gosh, that's pretty good.

[Brady]

He had 18 sacks.

[John Holmberg]

And the worst part about it was how he does take it up to do.

[Dale Hellestray]

And. And the other thing is I learned that when I was in Buffalo, guy named Mark Tranowitz was another rookie with me.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

And in New York, they start just making fun of your name.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellestray]

You know, you got the last name. And somebody started heckling him and he turned around. Not good when you turn around.

[John Holmberg]

No, not good when you turn around.

[Dale Hellestray]

Because now more and more people know me.

[John Holmberg]

And that's the thing I'm worried about with Cattel is that there are like, if games start becoming meaningful, this will be thrown back at him. Crying, crying Marte things. This is. Something's weird.

[Dale Hellestray]

Something to keep on Arizona's most powerful rock radio station.

[John Holmberg]

He said fully erect.