07-08-25 - People Are Calling New Superman Movie Racist After James Gunn Said It's An Immigrant Story And Somehow The Flooded Texas Summer Camp Is Now Racist Too

Summary

Content Warning: The following summary includes discussions that involve sensitive topics such as racism, white supremacy, and offensive language. Reader discretion is advised.

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Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona

Episode: July 8, 2025
Title: People Are Calling New Superman Movie Racist After James Gunn Said It's An Immigrant Story And Somehow The Flooded Texas Summer Camp Is Now Racist Too
Host: John Holmberg
Co-Hosts: Brady Bogen, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo
Platform: 98 KUPD | Hubbard Radio

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Introduction and Sponsor Messages (00:00 - 01:43)

The episode begins with promotional segments from MMP Guns and Valley Chevy, highlighting their products and services. John Holmberg briefly addresses technical issues and introduces the co-hosts.

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Main Discussion: Superman as an Immigrant Story (01:43 - 24:50)

Key Topics:

• James Gunn's Statement: The hosts discuss director James Gunn’s claim that the new Superman movie is an immigrant story. They explore the backlash labeling the film as racist.

  • John Holmberg (02:05): "Superman was an immigrant, but the most awesome immigrant ever."

• Perception of Immigrant Narratives: The conversation delves into how the portrayal of Superman as an immigrant has sparked debates, with Holmberg arguing that labeling it as racist is unnecessary.

  • John Holmberg (02:31): "It's brilliant, if brilliant advertising. It's so smart. And we fall for it every time."

• Impact on Society: Holmberg expresses concerns about the broader implications of framing superheroes as immigrants, suggesting potential job losses and societal changes.

  • John Holmberg (03:32): "Superman, in moderation, you don't want to flood across the border. Superman. We'll lose our jobs and we'll lose our white ladies."

• Comparisons to Other Media: The hosts compare the Superman narrative to other media portrayals, including references to "Brightburn" and potential LGBTQ+ themes in Superman films.

  • John Holmberg (32:14): "Superman is my least favorite of all the superheroes because he's just. He messes stuff up more than he does good."

• Public Reaction: They critique the media's focus on racial aspects of the film, arguing that it distracts from other serious issues like the flooded Texas summer camp.

  • John Holmberg (37:46): "Yesterday, I was watching the. It was on the news, for God's sake. Like, all night. It was on MSNBC and CNN and fox all covered that."

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Secondary Topic: Flooded Texas Summer Camp (24:50 - 41:21)

Key Topics:

• Flooding Incident: The hosts discuss a tragic incident involving a flooded summer camp in Texas, where numerous lives were lost. They critique media coverage that labels the camp as racist.

  • John Holmberg (08:51): "It's a tragic story. And we turned it into. It's a racist white supremacist camp."

• Summer Camps and Socioeconomic Factors: The conversation shifts to the general nature of summer camps, often perceived as predominantly white and affluent, questioning the validity of labeling them as racist without substantial evidence.

  • John Holmberg (09:20): "It was a wealthy person's camp somehow, and it was mostly little white kids."

• Personal Anecdotes: Holmberg shares personal experiences related to summer camps, emphasizing the arbitrary nature of sending children away and questioning the motivations behind such actions.

  • John Holmberg (11:04): "I've never said that. Look, the Simpsons episode where they sent them to camp and Homer's hair grew back and they were happy and it was like they were thrilled that life was..."

• Critique of Media Narratives: The hosts express skepticism toward media narratives that swiftly attribute social issues to racism without thorough investigation.

  • John Holmberg (12:30): "But this camp that's in Texas, it's just. My God. It's just a tragic story. And we turned it into. It's a racist white supremacist camp."

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Additional Discussions and Closing Remarks (41:21 - End)

Key Topics:

• Superman in Pop Culture: Further discussions on Superman's portrayal in various media, including critiques of character development and storyline coherence.

  • John Holmberg (35:13): "We worry about it being an immigrant story and getting upset about it. And you two are talking about it this way. Go yourselves, America."

• Closing Thoughts: The episode wraps up with light-hearted banter among the hosts, reflecting on the intense discussions and expressing a desire to move past the contentious topics.

  • John Holmberg (42:12): "It's 98 KUPD. Wake up."

  • Brady Bogen (42:15): "Hey, it's not weird. It's pretty cool, actually."

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Notable Quotes:

1. On Superman as an Immigrant:

   • John Holmberg (02:31): "It's brilliant, if brilliant advertising. It's so smart. And we fall for it every time."

2. On Media Focus:

   • John Holmberg (37:46): "It's goddamn Superman. It doesn't matter. No, it does too."

3. On Flooded Camps and Racism:

   • John Holmberg (08:51): "It's a tragic story. And we turned it into. It's a racist white supremacist camp."

4. On Summer Camps:

   • John Holmberg (11:04): "I've never said that. Look, the Simpsons episode where they sent them to camp and Homer's hair grew back and they were happy and it was like they were thrilled that life was..."

5. On Superman's Impact:

   • John Holmberg (26:36): "Superman. We'll lose our jobs and we'll lose our white ladies."

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Conclusion

In this episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness, the hosts engage in a provocative discussion about the new Superman movie being labeled racist due to its portrayal as an immigrant story. They critically analyze media narratives, societal reactions, and the broader implications of framing popular culture through the lens of race and immigration. Additionally, the hosts touch upon a tragic incident involving a flooded Texas summer camp, questioning the validity of its racial characterization by the media. Throughout the episode, a blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and contentious viewpoints create a dynamic and engaging conversation for listeners.

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Note: This summary aims to objectively capture the key points and discussions from the podcast episode. The views expressed by the hosts do not reflect endorsement or agreement.

Transcript

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[John Holmberg]

No, no, he's not evil. He's just a bit rude. 98. Something's broken there. How you doing, everybody? Good morning. It is. It's 5. 45. And I'm fixing things and talking to Bret. I don't know what's going on. It's all caving. It don't have a penny to fix it, evidently. And I want to thank Katie KB select for that penny. A penny might fix it. Jam it in there. Hey, kids used to do that. Put metal in metal and then see if it doesn't light on fire. You fixed it anyway. Something broken here, we'll fix it. We'll figure it out. This is the morning sickness. How are you? My name's John. There's Brady, there's Brett, there's Toledo. And we're off and running for another glorious start to a week. And, man, I got buttons that don't work. I got buttons that do work. Bear with me. People like getting in and the guy's just like, don't have brakes. Just deal with it. We'll get there. I don't know why I made my Uber driver that racist, but I did.

[Brett]

Come on.

[John Holmberg]

Because I'm right. I mean, let's be honest. And I was just. Yeah, speaking of that, we can't get through anything anymore without racism, right? Super Superman movie is getting so much attention just because James Gunn, the director, said it was a story about an immigrant and everybody needs to calm down. It is. And some immigrants are awesome. So what's wrong with that?

[Brady]

Yeah, because he comes from another planet.

[John Holmberg]

Definition, he came from another place, landed here. Now I don't want it to be. Look, I don't want it this is the best thing that happened to that Superman movie because there was. I had no intention of seeing this thing at all. You watched it? No. No. Oh, okay. I was gonna say. But now I'm interested in like, is this a ham handed attempt to like bash ICE agents or be some sort of like proponent of open borders?

[Brady]

Make it seem like that's why they put that statement.

[John Holmberg]

It's brilliant, if brilliant advertising. It's so smart. And we fall for it every time. I don't think anybody realizes that we're the dummies. Every time you scream and yell about like, ah, it's an immigrant movie. I don't want the politics shoved down my throat. It's, it's just, it's just press. It's. They're, they're smart. That's just so smart. And Superman was an immigrant, but the most awesome immigrant ever. He wasn't Ms. 13. He was awesome. Like, if you. Look, I'm going to tell you this right now. Illegal, legal or otherwise, if we have more of those landing here in America, we're gonna be in good shape. So I like that type of image. Look, Mexicans, if you guys are crossing the border with those types of skills, we'll fast track your ass to American citizen. There'll be no ice. ICE will just detain you to get you over to fill out some paperwork and make you a citizen too. Sweet. We're gonna start an army of them. But no, it's, it's. First off, it's Superman, for Christ's sake. It's without question the most boring superhero of all time. That dude is boring.

[Brett]

So is ICE gonna be rolling around with kryptonite rounds and the RA or what?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, he's got a low rider. Clark Kent has that one button and that's it. They're making him out. Like, they're like, everybody's freaking out like they made him a cholo. He's just Superman. He's an immigrant. He is an immigrant.

[Brett]

He's got a dickies in a tip on and everything.

[John Holmberg]

Watch this.

[Brett]

Imacas Lander, try and deport me.

[John Holmberg]

You can't catch me. That's the whole thing, is he's running from ice. I don't. Now I kind of want to see it because I will laugh hysterically if this is about Superman. Would be. Either two things would happen. Superman's like, Jesus, two things would happen, really? If he showed up, we'd either kill him like immediately for even saying he had the powers or try to, or we would make him like the most powerful man on the planet and, like, give him everything. There's no in between for an immigrant like that. So when people got upset about it, I'm like, you. Everybody needs to calm down. If there's no better definition of immigrant than dude who falls from a planet that sucked and lands in America, I'm just glad we got him.

[Brady]

You know, we can go back to so many movies.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, but imagine if he fell in the middle East. If Superman's like, pod didn't land in Iowa. It landed in Afghanistan.

[Brady]

Would he be a superhero now?

[John Holmberg]

Yes, he'd be a superhero, but he'd be in Afghanistan. He won, and it would be bad news. We got evil.

[Brady]

That's what I'm saying.

[John Holmberg]

We want the good immigrants. That's a great thing. Yeah. We don't want him in a turbine with the S on. It would be horrifying. Wouldn't even have to, like, he'd just fly next to the planes and grab them and chuck them into building. We wouldn't lose any bad guys that way. It's an immigrant story, and people lost their minds. Like, yesterday, I was watching the. It was on the news, for God's sake. Like, all night. It was on MSNBC and CNN and fox all covered that. Superman's an immigrant story. I'm like, oh, my God. Superman's just a bad movie. It's been. They haven't gotten Superman right since the Christopher Reeve one. And you go back and watch that, and it wasn't very good. It was very. If you were 11 or 8, like I was when it came out, it was awesome.

[Brady]

Well, the original story. His father.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

On Krypton.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Was bullied.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, is that. Is that now in there, too? Oh, Jesus.

[Brett]

But nobody's bullying Marlon Brando. Come on.

[John Holmberg]

That's right.

[Brett]

Come on.

[John Holmberg]

The movie's better. All right. Ghoul or whatever the hell. What was his name? El.

[Brett]

Jarell.

[John Holmberg]

Jarell. That's Jarrell. That's right. Yeah. But I was laughing because I'm like, this is the simulation we're in. There's, like, dead bodies floating around all over Texas. And we're like, superman's an immigrant. Yuck. That top story. I'm like, what in the priority. It's better than my dad doing the news. I was telling Brady, chatting with my dad, and I'm like, hey, you live. Because he's, like, 20 minutes from that camp, and he's in the area. It's just pouring rain. And I said, how's it going over there? And he goes, dah, this is my dad. My dad has no bedside manner when it comes to this kind of stuff. He doesn't. Just none. For instance, when my ex was in the World Trade center, he called because he knew she was there. He was. He had my dogs. In fact, he was watching my dogs for me. He goes, oh, boy. You all right? I'm like, well, yeah, I'm fine. I know. I'm trying. He goes, john, she's dead. Nobody makes it out of this. I'm like, oh, all right. Thanks. Thank you. No, you got to brace yourself that. That call's coming. I'm like, thanks. So I called and talked to him a little about the. We talked a little bit about the. The flooding in his area. It's raining like crazy, right? Oh, yeah. I said, you know the. The area better. Is there any chance at all. Oh, they were camping in a riverbed. They're all dead, like. Okay, well, thanks. More breaking news from Dan Holmberg over there. Why are they even looking? Just. They'll. They'll turn up when it dries out. Yeah, I suppose. How's High Yellow? He's. He's out there. He's. My dad got him away from the high water, get High Yellow away from that. He's not going to be good in that. So. Yeah, he just. He's got no. At all. No bedside manner with this. And he kind of makes a great point. Like, if you're camping in a riverbed, you're more than likely gonna eventually get attacked by the river, but doesn't make it good.

[Brett]

That's why I don't camp.

[John Holmberg]

And there's people on the news yesterday talking about, you don't camp because of that.

[Brett]

I don't care. No, I don't camp at all.

[John Holmberg]

I don't.

[Brett]

River bed and stuff.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I don't.

[Brady]

Old Well, I think, you know, the fact that they're even, you know, for them next to the river.

[John Holmberg]

That's how the water well is 27ft. But again, you risky that's going to wash away.

[Brady]

You're not in the. You don't have to be in the riverbed. They're on the bend.

[John Holmberg]

They're pretty much. Yeah. When you're banking, like when you've got a place on a riverbed that's empty and you know it's dry and it's.

[Brady]

Raining, you're figuring you're 10ft above.

[John Holmberg]

I don't like camping that close to. To.

[Brady]

Oh, camp in the rain.

[John Holmberg]

Camping in the.

[Brady]

Numerous times. It's brute.

[John Holmberg]

But camping in like on a Riverbed is not smart. Like, even on the banks, it just doesn't seem smart. Like, no matter what, it just seems like you're asking for, you know, what they called the place?

[Brady]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Camp Mystic Flash Flood Alley. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, that's. That's not good. That's not good. Well, people live in Tornado Alley and Hurricane Alley and they've named this one, though. And you know what usually happens in those alleys? The thing they're named after. Yeah. So, yeah. Usually I don't want to be.

[Brady]

It's the most beautiful spot.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I don't want to be less than empathetic, but this whole thing has turned into, you know, it's sad. There's people missing. 100 people are dead. Yeah. And. But the. But the bottom line is we've made it about race. There was a lady, the news yesterday said it's a racist camp. Anyway, she didn't really care. Yeah. I don't know how it worked, because it was. It was a wealthy person's camp somehow, and it was mostly little white kids. So she's like, it was a white supremacist camp. Any summer camp is pretty well white bread. You have. I know.

[Brady]

It's expensive.

[John Holmberg]

Toledo makes a strong reality point there is that those breakaway camps. Yeah. Are usually, you know, you get like three weeks at a wait for you.

[Brady]

To get rid of your kid.

[Katie]

It just costs you money.

[John Holmberg]

Thank you. And white people love that. Sorry, that's the wrong way to put that. Yeah. Yeah. Other.

[Brady]

Because Kirby went to a summer camp this year.

[John Holmberg]

Did she go to summer camp?

[Brady]

Yeah, she didn't.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Because you're trying to make everybody think you're rich. And that's exactly why people think Gilbert Way. Yeah, exactly. Because the other Gilbert parents, now, they're.

[Brady]

A little bit cheaper. The church camps.

[John Holmberg]

You know what I always thought with people that sent their kids away, and this was when I was a young kid, like, oh, your parents don't love you. They can't wait for you to leave. They don't want anything to do with you. Forgive me. At least a week or two away from you for 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And when you come back, it'll be fine. Everybody's cheaper. But you've got the yearly commitment on Sundays at church where you're kicking in, too. Oh, yeah. So they get you. Yeah. Where was her camp?

[Brady]

In New Mexico.

[John Holmberg]

They drove her up. Oh, that's a camp.

[Brett]

And then.

[John Holmberg]

Christ. Wait, you didn't spend any extra. You did.

[Brett]

They Pay you?

[John Holmberg]

Look, Maryvale just went. Jesus Christ, Freddie. Why? Just into that New Mexico camp. In a school bus?

[Brady]

No, not a school bus.

[John Holmberg]

Like a. Like a. Awesome camp bus. I don't.

[Brady]

Is there an awesome bus?

[John Holmberg]

No.

[Brady]

No, but it wasn't a school bus.

[John Holmberg]

Would this run you six, seven bottles of sauce?

[Brady]

It was 20 cases.

[John Holmberg]

You're smiling as if you did bargain.

[Brady]

No, it was 500 bucks.

[John Holmberg]

That's not bad.

[Brady]

No.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, poor people can afford that. That's not a great camp. It's okay. But you got rid of Kirby. For how long?

[Brady]

Five days.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah. You don't want her around for five days. That's nice. If you could make it 10, you would have. For a thousand bucks, you could have stayed an extra week.

[Brady]

And she's gone every summer, you know, from high school. Her friends go, that's exactly right.

[John Holmberg]

And usually it's because the other parents hate their. And you gotta get rid of them. It's only. Look, we take vacations from our jobs that actually pay us, and we try to do that as often as we can. He can be three or four weeks off a year from that kid. Even if you love him, you're like, I can't do this every week. I don't want to see you every day. And if it's a divorce, oh, well, the dads win more. Dads have to stop bitching about that. The judge going, you only get to see it every two weeks. Oh, not that. This is great.

[Brett]

Please don't make it three. Don't make it three.

[John Holmberg]

Josh Blue has a great joke. He's a comedian. You remember Josh. He's got palsy or whatever. I don't know what. He's got multiple sclerosis, but he's got a great job. He goes, got divorced from my wife. And the judge gave me 50% custody. That is a hell of a lot of custody. He's like, oh, we nailed that. Like, we dropped that to 25. That seems reasonable. She can have them. The rest of the time. I'm busy. But, yeah, the camp thing, fine, you send your kids off. But I was always of the idea that going off to camp was a parent's exhales like, we got to reset. And then I always thought that, you know, you should pack your boxes, try to get out of there before it comes back. But nobody ever did that. I'm sure a few people do leave an empty home to go, oh. They come back and they're like, what happened? I'm like, we liked it better without You.

[Brady]

They're all gone.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. I've never said that. Look, the Simpsons episode where they sent them to camp and Homer's hair grew back and they were happy and it was like they were thrilled that life was. Parents tell the truth every once in a while.

[Brady]

They need time away.

[John Holmberg]

Of course they do. Those little things are horrible every day. Terrible, terrible. But this camp that's in Texas, it's just. My God. It's just a tragic story. And we turned it into. It's a racist white supremacist camp. Some ladies like, I'm praying for them. But it's a white supremacy camp. And I'm like, would we be mad if she was right?

[Brady]

There would be. The coverage would be. If it was truly just, you know, a millionaires camp.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, probably. I bet you're right. People would. Well, it kind of is.

[Brady]

It kind of deserve it.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that's what I'm saying. That's happening. Yeah. They would. They would have it in a hotel.

[Brett]

When was the last time you seen a Hilton or Seasons float away? You don't.

[John Holmberg]

All right.

[Brett]

Another reason I don't camp.

[John Holmberg]

When have you last seen a Hilton?

[Brady]

Everything.

[John Holmberg]

He's not right. Like a Four Seasons. It has spikes in the ground. Yeah, exactly. It's a. It's a structure and it's got room service and that's what rich showers and.

[Brett]

Yeah, come on.

[John Holmberg]

Send their kids to stream on that camp.

[Brady]

We spend good money.

[Brett]

I agree.

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[John Holmberg]

Brady was a kid and he grew up in that environment. And I remember him telling me about the. His mom actually told me about the time she sent you to treat the help like crap camp, which was a way to train the kids to treat the lesser than. Like, you're not gonna walk around soda and talk to the staff. They had to teach it at an early age in Dr. Etiquette. Yeah, it's like, look, Benny, you went to treat the staff like crab camp and you're being nice to Leroy. He's making eggs. That's his job. Don't look him at the eye and don't talk to him. All right? We send him back to treat the staff like crap camp.

[Brett]

And make me a grilled cheese.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, rich people camp is different. Like there's polo and all that stuff. Like they're not, they're not tense. But would we be mad if it was a white supremacy camp? Would we be sad? I guess.

[Brady]

Well, there's a portion of the population would not. No.

[John Holmberg]

But that's what I'm saying. I'm sure some of those kids were racist just percentage wise. So, you know, if you're gonna go on TV and start telling everybody, oh, it's a white supremacist camp, you're like, I hope all the white supremacist kids died. And they'll go like, be honest and be real. If you're gonna go on TV and make that claim, say, I hope they're all dead. Be an asshole, be a total jerk about it. But don't go on TV and say, I pray for them. But it Was a white supremacist camp. Well, the whole reason you're going on TV is to say it's okay that it happened and then you try to cush blow with. I'm praying for them. For what?

[Brett]

They didn't go to Camp David Duke.

[John Holmberg]

Right. Nobody. There's. I don't think there's a children's white supremacy camp that people would like, outwardly know.

[Brady]

Like, you'd have to kind of most famous one.

[John Holmberg]

It would have to be whispered like, oh, we sent our kid to, you know, the camp.

[Brady]

Oh, Silver Lane.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, we did too. Our kids are going to come back more white supremacist than ever. It's going to be great. And white supremacy camp starts at home. If you're. If, if you're a good white supremacist, your kids are gonna be white supremacists. Growing up, you don't need the extra help. But even goes to show you, we got something in common with white supremacists. They don't want their kids for two weeks a summer either. It's perfect.

[Brady]

I was a counselor for three summers at a summer kid.

[Brett]

Why is this meatballs or something?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Why would you do such a thing?

[Brady]

Last.

[John Holmberg]

And you tried it again this week. You like hanging out with teenagers even now. It's just weird. Yeah, it's just. I just don't understand why anybody would volunteer to. The only way is to try to bang the other like meatballs. You tried to bang the other counselors. I needed to speed that sentence up. Yeah. And you didn't.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You met some counselors, but you weren't trying to get laid at camp. You were actually trying to make friends with the teens.

[Brady]

No, you were there, there. There was some intermixing every now and then.

[John Holmberg]

What is that?

[Brady]

Counselors.

[John Holmberg]

With the counselors banging each other. Yeah, but that's not why you. Of course.

[Brady]

No, no, no.

[John Holmberg]

There's normal counselors that went there to try to.

[Brady]

It's just like working in a restaurant.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. They're trying to bang the staff. Except for there were a whole bunch of kids hanging around there. You got a babysit. It was babysitting my ex girlfriend years ago. The Bryan Adams girl. She was a day camp thing. The YMCA or whatever had some sort of day camp.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Parents didn't even want their kids for the day. Give me a couple hours away.

[Brady]

There's a ton of those here in this. You know, in the summer, stuff them in the pools.

[John Holmberg]

It was poor people camp. It was basically like $8 a week. And then this Girl that I'm dating who was 19, would sit on a. Like, she would do arts and crafts with them and then push them in the pool. And then the parents would either come and pick them up or wouldn't. There were countless amounts of times where she had to drive the kids home because the parents forgot.

[Brady]

Need a. Because that daycare stops during the. You know.

[John Holmberg]

Sure, yeah. But it was so funny because she'd call and she'd go, we're gonna go do something like 5, 30, 6 o'. Clock. So I can't. Three of the kids are still here. And I'm like, why? She's. None of her parents didn't show up, and the parents would just forget them. And I.

[Brady]

Sorry, I'm running an hour and a half later.

[John Holmberg]

There is no way you're forgetting. Nobody called, nobody said, I'm sorry. They just, oops, forgot. And she would drive them home and the parents would be there like, oh, oh, yeah, come on in, Jamal. That's. I'm sorry. Daddy forgot. And she'd drop them off all the time. I thought for a while there it was to try to bang her. It's like if they didn't pick the kids, there was no repercussions to that either. You could just. Tomorrow, that kid would be right back at camp. No parents got a call like, today. That's not allowed at all. You forget. You forget your kids. They just sit on that curb until it got dark. And then you're like, well, I don't think they're coming. We'll see you tomorrow. You leave them out there. We do it for Little League all the time. But, yeah, Jackie would drive around, tell.

[Brett]

Him about me singing them songs.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brett]

Reading the poetry.

[John Holmberg]

I wrote this myself. She's plagiarized stuff for the kids. Have you heard this?

[Brady]

She's doing that during arts and crafts.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Look into my eyes. I wrote this last night. Kids. No, you didn't. Yes, I did. You will see. That's Brian Adams. Ma'. Am. No. Quiet down. Your parents don't love you. I have to drive you home every day. Window liquor. Such a heart. But, yeah, I love that. But the camp thing, man, I'm sitting there just shaking my head. That lady had the nerve to go in. And then I started to think, John, you're falling for can't. Nobody is gonna. Nobody. Even the. Even people who hate everything are not gonna go on TV while they're still searching for bodies and say, ah, it's a white supremacist camp. Anyway, that's A plant that's set up for ratings. And I don't know if you've seen the search, but I watched Little yesterday, and they had that Ted Cruz on there, and he was saying.

[Brady]

Because he went there, like, 10 years.

[John Holmberg]

Earlier, I don't know. But he was standing on the sidelines there, and he's.

[Brady]

There's kids.

[John Holmberg]

He's saying, we're looking for him. He goes, hope is still alive. And then they showed the dude searching, and there he got a rope, and the dude's just feeling the bottom of the river with his feet. That's not hopeful. There's no hope. Like, if you're hopeful, you're looking up in the trees, you're looking up. Lack of hope is looking down or feeling for things with your feet underwater. Like, there's. And that's how they found a few of them. These dudes are scrubbing the sides and feeling the bottom with their toes. Yeah, exactly. And then you kick one. But yeah, they go on TV and say, hope's still alive. Take a look at these guys, and they're kind of like, no, mud. Mud. Rock.

[Brady]

It's the mud debris, of course.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well, that's. Yeah, but we're not hopeful. If you're feeling for anything with your feet, you're not hopeful.

[Brady]

Yeah, the one guy that's like, my brother and his family are. Are missing right now.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Still, hopefully you can look up in.

[John Holmberg]

Some trees and just hope they wandered off. But if you're looking in the water, you're not really all that hopeful. He hasn't been treading for the last week. It's terrible. But, yeah, then I fell for it, and the news made me fall for it. Right from the immigrant story and to. This is a. A horrible disaster of white supremacist stuff. And I think it's crazy camp.

[Brett]

American History X.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah. Camp Adolf is what. And I just, like, each. Yeah, I fell for it. I immediately fell for it. All right, kids, it's time for arts and crafts. You make a real fun hood out of your pillowcase. And it's like, what are you doing at white supremacy camp? If there was one? Like, what are the fun drills, goose step marching, and like, what are you doing at white supremacy camp? Time for archery. All right, now you all see it out there. What is that? There's a watermelon. We're gonna fire at those. He's like, oh, no. White supremacy camp is terrible.

[Brett]

Are the girls making costumes in Home.

[John Holmberg]

EC and stuff, too, or what? Getting the Points in the hats make a good one.

[Brady]

That's not a good news. Let's try again.

[John Holmberg]

Terrible, terrible. What kind of white supremacist are you trying to be, young man? Your parents didn't shell out 13 grand to get rid of you for a week to have you tie a rope like that. And I fell for it. Watch the news. I'm like, that's not a real thing. This lady tried to. And I got fooled. And people are right. Superman was an undocumented alien. Yeah. When the whites came to America, we were all illegal aliens. The natives called us white backs. I didn't know that. Is that true? Were we called that? I didn't know that. And probably actually accurate anyway. It's just all so silly. And we all try to like, have these moments of recognizing how, whoa, this is bad. It's like, come on. Superman's doing a great job of promoting the movie and making Fox News lose their minds and talk about it for 30 minutes. Me sit back and just say, come on. It's great. It's a great back and forth because, well, it's funny.

[Brady]

You hear that? I mean, you think, oh, geez, they're gonna have him sign up.

[John Holmberg]

They might.

[Brady]

The Ellis island and maybe.

[John Holmberg]

Well, it's. It's an interesting take.

[Brady]

But the fact, it's just very simple, that, yeah, the guy's coming from.

[John Holmberg]

It's an interesting take. If you did kind of have an immigrant issue, which we do. And this dude shows up and he starts blowing up cities and doing stuff like, Lex Luthor's here too. It's like, what are we doing? Like, that's a badass immigrant. We want one of those. But yeah, some people are like, you know, just send them back. We don't need this. And I would be one of those if, if there were more of him coming, I'd be like, we need to make sure we don't. They're going to take over the planet. You guys don't see the writing on the wall. They're going to take our jobs. I mean, supermen's will take our jobs.

[Brady]

I know you wiped out a building here, but you saved the world.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Fast tracking you.

[John Holmberg]

Okay?

[Brady]

You get your citizenship.

[John Holmberg]

I'm against it. I'm against it. If he is an immigrant, I'm the one standing out there with signs saying, go home. Because if he's. If he. Look, if Joe Biden taught us one thing, you let one in, 20 million follow. Superman gets the word back to Krypton, and there's a whole bunch he's not the only one up there. And they all show up here. Yeah. We don't have a chance. We have to fight back. So we have to get rid of Superman. If it is an immigrant story.

[Brady]

But he got speed tracked, you know? He needs to do what all the other people. You got to do it the right way.

[John Holmberg]

No, I don't. You're not understanding my point. Get my picket sign, Brady, and get in line. You. You keep. They're not welcome here. The Superman.

[Brett]

Just get Will Smith and Goldblum together with his MacBook and he'll get rid of all the aliens.

[John Holmberg]

Blow up their little.

[Brett]

Illegal or not.

[John Holmberg]

Mork. All of them. I want them out. Anybody with superpowers from another planet are going to get the word back to that planet that we're an easy kill. We're an easy mark. And Mork. Mork showed up. He's out. I'd kill. I'd kill Mork in a heartbeat. I would. I would. Look, I'm not allowed to use this button anymore, right? Is gone. The second I see Mork, I'm killing Mork. Why? He's radioing back. Remember? Every. Every week he would sit down, call Orson, tell him what's going on on Earth. And Orson's like, is it habitable? Are they strong? Oh, no, not really. They're pretty stupid. All right. We'll send more Morcks, and the next thing you know, we've got an overload of Morks and we're not smarter than them, and they take over.

[Brady]

Tough. Imagine the trades that he could do and the speed and the strength.

[John Holmberg]

That's what I'm saying. We'll lose all of our jobs. Yeah. So if you want to make Superman an immigrant story. The truth of the matter is we would not respond well to him telling us, there's more of me if you want more. And at first we'd be like, heck, yeah. But then he. He and his people would enslave us. It's dumb to want Superman here.

[Brett]

Shane makes a good point. Imagine Superman gator wrestling at alligator Alcatraz.

[John Holmberg]

Have nothing to do it. Superman that. We tried Alcatraz and the guy got out and he killed like 11 gators. You don't want Superman here. It's dumb. And worst part is Superman can blend. He put on his little costume. Superman's costume is a suit and glasses. It's not the Superman outfit. That's his regular everyday stuff. Puts the glasses in the suit on. He looks just like as you wouldn't even know. There he is.

[Brett]

We take him at the parade downtown.

[John Holmberg]

Don't worry, he's gay.

[Brett]

He'd be walking down Central.

[John Holmberg]

Oh yeah, look at him. Come on. Actually, look at that.

[Brett]

Look what he's trying to pick up on. Margot Kidder, please.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that was in those days. He's got Rachel Bresnahan or whatever now. It's still not great, but it's good. Superman. Superman.

[Brady]

Amy. Amy Adams.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that was the other one. That was one nobody watched. And then the new one is Rachel Bresnahan or whatever her name is from Marvelous Maisel. Either way, Superman has simple tastes. He comes here, he takes. Good Lord, listen to what I'm saying. Comes here and takes your average white lady, beds her. And you think we're not gonna respond to that? Real well if our chicks are cheating with a Superman and his brothers. Stop this Superman influx immediately. If it's an immigrant story, I want him out. Deport on this one sickness.

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[John Holmberg]

Sickness but no, I won't hear an argument.

[Brady]

The parents adopted him.

[John Holmberg]

Wow. I mean, so not. Not legally, not like through paperwork because you have to find, you know, you can't just. I mean you can't have a kid shot over from Russia, land in your yard and legally keep it my gaff. There's a lot of paper not much.

[Brady]

Of a backstory on hell. Let's just. We'll just raise them.

[John Holmberg]

We just found him on the farm. It was the 50s. You find a kid, you keep a kid.

[Brady]

Blaze through my field.

[John Holmberg]

Look, I'll tell you this. Superman showed up a little darker. Uncle Owen and aunt. Whatever they were was the same ones as Star Wars. I forgot. I don't know which ones found them, but find a baby of color in Iowa in the 50s. They probably wouldn't have raised it because.

[Brett]

The 80s or 90s. If he was a left hander, that kept him because he'd be a major pitcher.

[John Holmberg]

Oh man. Imagine that. Make him a sports hero. Why is he out there?

[Brett]

Randy Johnson got nothing on that.

[John Holmberg]

And he'd have to temper it. You can't throw over 113. We can't figure it out. I know you can, but don't. It's illegal to throw it that fast. That's a ball. If it breaks the 110 barrier, it's automatically a ball. No matter where the catchers hate it. This immigrant story thing's taken hold. It's gotten. People have lost their mind. Lost their minds. And I laugh hysterically because I know how we would we react. Act. And I'm one of them. Deport the Superman. Was he the only one left after the planet blew up?

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Then how did Jael keep talking to him?

[Brett]

I think it was a ghost.

[Brady]

Well, they had.

[John Holmberg]

Then he's also a delusional lunatic.

[Brady]

He made some tapes form basically all.

[Brett]

Those crystals that he put in that.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that's right. Into his little machine. Because he did. He packed up a VCR from crypto.

[Brady]

Yeah, but the one guy. There was another survivor driver who ended up being sent away and he broke out.

[John Holmberg]

Was it Bizarro Superman?

[Brady]

No.

[Brett]

Was it those three in the bondage outfit?

[John Holmberg]

See, now Brett's watching a different Superman than me.

[Brady]

No.

[John Holmberg]

You got a lot of homosexuals and bondage.

[Brett]

Look at those dudes. And chick. I'm pulling them up.

[John Holmberg]

So you're saying it's not only an immigrant story, it's also a gay rights.

[Brett]

This is one of the first ones.

[John Holmberg]

Wow.

[Brady]

The chick. The giant guy in the. The. They. They were put in prison.

[John Holmberg]

You're the only one who saw it. And you're the worst one at describing it there's been.

[Brady]

So Superman 2, I think, isn't it?

[John Holmberg]

I don't know. You're the one explaining it. That's why we're struggling.

[Brady]

It's all coming back in.

[John Holmberg]

The giant guy and the bondage People. It does sound like a gay movie, I'm telling you. Anyway, Superman's my least favorite of all the superheroes because he's just. He messes stuff up more than he does good. And he's just so. Such a pansy.

[Brady]

Girl's kind of hot in the bondage outfit.

[Brett]

No, she's not.

[John Holmberg]

Look. Superman 2.

[Brady]

Oh, yeah, she's not.

[John Holmberg]

Come on. Jesus. She's a lesbian. I'm telling you, this is. I didn't realize how gay Superman was when I was a kid.

[Brett]

They're all wearing leather.

[John Holmberg]

Why? This is an indoctrination movie. No wonder we had such a rise in gay behavior after the 80s.

[Brady]

That's why I'm thinking of the. The new. It's General Zod, I think.

[John Holmberg]

Think. All right. Either way, I don't know. I need you to stay awake through all the Superman movies because you slept at the one I was with you at me and you and Chuck went.

[Brett]

Is that the good one?

[John Holmberg]

Chuck went to sleep and Brady was nestled in his own Neck for 25 minutes. I was the only one watching, like, Big Bird and says he has no neck. Watch him in a movie. Go to the movie with Brady.

[Brady]

That was the Superman versus Batman.

[John Holmberg]

No, no, no. That was you and me and Chuck Artig went to go see the Superman with the. The new one that came out. The guy was kind of doing a Christopher Reeves impression. It wasn't bad. Forgot his name.

[Brady]

Henry Cavill.

[John Holmberg]

Henry Cavill. And I looked over and Chuck Artigues looking at me because Brady, he literally. No kidding. Like a bird has no neck. So when he got. It was a daytime too, so that wasn't happening. And his head just kind of went into his shoulders and he did this little shake and then his head was out. And Brady's doing the little this is pre CPAP days where he couldn't breathe when even he was awake started to happen. He's asleep. And I'm like, I know Chuck. Five seconds later, Chuck's out like a light. I'm the only one in the theater awake. And I was envious because the movie was horrible. But immigrants, though, they all lost their mind. We'd kill them. Oh, that's. I didn't know this. That HBO and Cinemax have a cartoon based on the premise that if Superman landed in Russia, say we are lucky land in Iowa. That makes it some all American stuff story. He lands in Russia. It's a different.

[Brady]

It's a different deal to appreciate that.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, good thing he landed with Owen and Beru because he got into the right hands. And then his. Was it Obi Wan Raw gel. Nerds. Help me out here.

[Brady]

His mom, Diane Lane.

[John Holmberg]

Now that was. That was pretty hot. Diane Lane was pretty. And then it was. Cliff Richards was the. Somehow Kevin Costner. Costner was cost. Oh, that was. That one. Was Diane Lane the mom in that one?

[Brady]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Cliff was the. Was Christopher Reeves dad or Uncle Beru?

[Brett]

Costner was in Superman.

[John Holmberg]

He was in the newer one.

[Brady]

I said.

[Brett]

Was he De Niro now?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Fine. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll do that.

[Brady]

Built the field too. Amazing.

[John Holmberg]

Superman comes down here and starts hosing. Our women were doomed. Because I'm pretty sure that would be blacked.com on steroids. Willing to bet even Obama would be scared of that python. And think of the things he's seen. Big Mike would even be jealous. Yeah, that's right. Superman's probably carrying a hog. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We wouldn't. We would not be pleasant with Superman. We would try to kill him. And I think that's what the movie's about. And that's. That's an immigrant story.

[Brady]

Gene Hackman felt the same way.

[John Holmberg]

That's right. Well, he was Lex Luthor. He was the bad guy. He had powers too. I don't know where he's from. Where's he from?

[Brady]

He's an earthling.

[John Holmberg]

He's not an earthling. Because he used to do that thing where he go and blow and then like hurricane force winds would come out of it. Oh, that was.

[Brett]

That was one of the.

[Brady]

That was General Zombies.

[John Holmberg]

God.

[Brett]

The villain guys. Oh, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So Lex Luthor was in control of a dude. Time Out. Sons.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So who came from the same planet? General Zod came from Krypton. He.

[Brady]

He was. And Krypton. And they put the lesbian him and the giant man in prison.

[John Holmberg]

And Lex Luther.

[Brady]

Prison broke. They got out all right.

[John Holmberg]

Time.

[Brady]

That's why they.

[John Holmberg]

Lex Luthor was just a businessman.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Who managed to corral these people? People. Yes. Horse.

[Brady]

He's a genius.

[John Holmberg]

He's a genius. But this dude could make a hurricane with his little pursed lips.

[Brady]

No, he didn't.

[Brett]

No. That was Zion.

[John Holmberg]

No, that's what I'm saying. He could have just gotten rid of Lex Luthor.

[Brett]

He was an idiot. He was like mango. And this is.

[John Holmberg]

It's all because.

[Brett]

Remember they got stuck in that mirror and then floated away.

[John Holmberg]

That's right. Yeah.

[Brady]

That's where they put them back in.

[John Holmberg]

That were in jail there. Yeah. And they started to float out and then like just General Donut shop owner Lex Luthor was still broke out because.

[Brady]

It was hit by a meteorite or something.

[John Holmberg]

We're worried about it being an immigrant story and getting upset about it. And you two are talking about it this way. Go yourselves, America.

[Brett]

Boy, this movie really did suck.

[John Holmberg]

Now just a movie and we're making it out. Yeah.

[Brady]

See what happens? You want them out just like you're.

[John Holmberg]

Saying I want criminals. Of course you deport them. If we could. If we could jam illegal Mexicans into mirrors and shoot them out into the atmosphere, you think we wouldn't do it? It. Come on. But yesterday, there I am, I'm watching the. The damn news and six, seven stories about, you know, political blah, blah. I'm like, are you paying attention to what you're talking about? It's goddamn Superman. It doesn't matter. No, it does too. I want to go to the movies and enjoy the reality of. I don't want that shoved down my throat. I hope he crosses the border at Del Rio to get into America and then is found by Uncle Owen and Aunt Brew. I think that would be awesome. And I know before you email me, I'm confusing it all, but I'm doing it on purpose for a point that it doesn't matter. But yeah, it stirred it up, man. This morning, Yahoo had the story. A local news. Superman's an immigrant story. Backlash to director James Gunnar. Like backlash. Who cares? Who's that upset about living?

[Brady]

That one statement just explodes.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, and the better part is there'll be people talking about this this week. I ain't going to that Superman movie. Some immigrant story. I, I hate Mexicans so much. I won't watch Superman. What does that have to do with it? You know what I'm talking about. I don't. I guess it's okay. I mean, if.

[Brady]

If there's a scene where he's walking in with a super pull. Sweeney Cowboy.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, man. If they made him Mexican. And again, we've had Casalander. Oh my God. If the. I imagine the backlash still. We always act like because we're white we don't feel it. But if they made Superman black for one movie, people remember they tried to turn James Bond black and now he is. But that was a 15 year fight to say maybe we just get a black. And Idris Elba could do it. They're like, oh my God, people lost their mind. Mind.

[Brady]

The Harry Potter world is very upset.

[John Holmberg]

Why?

[Brady]

Because the new TV series, the Harry Potter, Dumbledore.

[John Holmberg]

I. I believe Dumbledore's a black guy. Yeah. All right. I don't even know what it is. I don't know what a Dumbledore was before. What are they saying? Black people can't be professors at wizard school?

[Brady]

I guess so.

[John Holmberg]

We suck across the board. We just.

[Brady]

But there were. Yeah, they're black students in the Harry Potter movies.

[John Holmberg]

Well, sure, but they weren't.

[Brady]

I mean, they're scholarship.

[John Holmberg]

That's dei, Brady. You're not. Yeah, there's dei. Oh, yeah. It had to. Old wizard. No, Harry Potter. We've moved on. Okay? Please. I mean, every white guy knows. That was a. That was. They were busing them into wizard school. We suck as a society. We absolutely suck. Because we make. We lose our minds over this. It's not news, but I laughed at it. And so it became reality to me. And I'm sorry for everybody who is on the other side. I just don't want. I don't want my movies to be political statements either, but this one kind of fits. So Rin's an immigrant. So the guy. I think the guy was basically saying. And look, this is the same guy who was texting like child porn to people 15 years ago. We get over things pretty fast. Like, the director was. I don't know what his. His cancellation was, but the dude almost got booted. Wasn't he on Guardians of the Galaxy or something? He started to send, like, dirty jokes about kids to co workers. Yeah, James Gunn. Yeah, he got in trouble for kids stuff. He's all right now. So we'll get over this. Is that. What? What are you looking at here?

[Brady]

Those are the. There they are. In prison.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, those are the three Mindless Aberration whose only means. Hold on. That's Marlon Brando. Is he not dead?

[Brady]

He was the original.

[John Holmberg]

No, I know that, but I thought he died when the planet blew up. Well, they're still on the planet.

[Brett]

No, they haven't bounced them yet.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, this is before.

[Brady]

This is their parole hearing.

[John Holmberg]

It's a prequel.

[Brady]

See the judges in the background?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Ready? Like that short haired boy girl. See, I told you.

[Brett]

Look, they're straight out of the parade.

[John Holmberg]

This is pretty gay. The costuming is definitely leather and everything. And charged with maintaining the defense of the planet Crypto itself. That's right. If this was a porn, I'd click off of it because I'm like, that guy's clearly gay. Bad things are about to happen. Oh, yeah. This is gay. Hell, look at that. That mustache and everything. Well, don't tell.

[Brady]

Break out in a dance.

[John Holmberg]

Don't Tell the crazy people who can't hear it's an immigrant story that it's gay too, because, oh, it's hilarious. Yeah, I gotta see that said, don't forget the horror movie a few years ago, Brightburn, where child Superman ended up being evil. Yeah, it bounced our way. I think we should celebrate immigrants like Superman.

[Brady]

Couple four, sure.

[John Holmberg]

Celebrate away for one. The second he sends back word to his planet and more of them show up, we're in trouble. So, Superman, in moderation, you don't want to flood across the border. Superman. We'll lose our jobs and we'll lose our white ladies. We've learned this lesson as scared European immigrants. We all know that the immigrants of color will steal our white ladies. Love them. That's our biggest fear. Black.com is more of a cautionary tale than it is a fun thing to watch. We're scared of it. We don't know why. It's inbred in us. And mostly inbred is the word you want to focus there? Let's get a wake up song and stop worrying about stuff like that. This. You give it to us good and strong. 585. 9800 and we'll scream it together. It's 98 KUPD. Wake up.

[Brady]

Hey, it's not weird. It's pretty cool, actually.

[John Holmberg]

No membership fees. I have heard enough of this.