07-10-25 - Thursdays w/Former Dallas Cowboy OLineman Dale Hellestrae - Dale's Take On Brady's Vacation Sharing A Hotel w/Two Teenage Girls - What Are The Suns Doing By Extending Devin Booker

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona: Episode Summary (07-10-25)

Release Date: July 10, 2025
Host: John Holmberg
Guest: Dale Hellistray, Former Dallas Cowboy Offensive Lineman
Show: 98 KUPD | Hubbard Radio

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Introduction

In the July 10, 2025 episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness on Arizona's #1 Morning Radio Show, host John Holmberg welcomes former Dallas Cowboy offensive lineman Dale Hellistray. The episode delves into a blend of light-hearted banter, personal anecdotes, and in-depth discussions on recent sports developments, particularly focusing on Dale's take on Brady Bogen's controversial vacation and the Phoenix Suns' decision to extend Devin Booker's contract.

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Main Discussions

1. Dale Hellistray’s Unconventional Vacation Stories

The episode kicks off with Dale sharing a rather unconventional story about Brady Bogen’s recent vacation. Dale critiques Brady for sharing a hotel room with two teenage girls, highlighting the potential issues and awkwardness that arose from such an arrangement.

Notable Quotes:

• John Holmberg [09:22]: “So you found it as equally strange that Brady took two 16-year-old girls to San Diego and slept in the room with them?”
• Dale Hellistray [09:35]: “That's weird.”

Dale expresses his discomfort and questions Brady's judgment in handling the situation, emphasizing the importance of maintaining appropriate boundaries, especially when minors are involved.

2. Devin Booker's Two-Year Extension with the Phoenix Suns

Transitioning to sports, John Holmberg addresses the Phoenix Suns' decision to sign Devin Booker to a two-year extension. Both hosts analyze the implications of this move, debating whether it signifies a commitment to building a competitive team or highlights underlying issues within the franchise.

Notable Quotes:

• John Holmberg [26:05]: “Devin Booker signed a two-year extension with the Phoenix Suns. What does that say about the player and the team's future?”
• Dale Hellistray [27:05]: “I disagree with you on the defender part when he wants to be. But I told you, we need to trade him.”

Dale advocates for trading Booker, believing that it would be more beneficial for the team to leverage his value elsewhere, rather than committing to a long-term contract amidst a perceived lack of competitiveness.

3. General Sports Banter and Reflections

The conversation broadens to touch upon various sports topics, including reflections on past NFL seasons, memorable incidents involving other athletes, and the dynamics within different sports teams.

Notable Quotes:

• John Holmberg [37:53]: “Super Bowls tomorrow. Stanley, do you want some crack? Yes. I'm gone.”
• Dale Hellistray [38:37]: “Michael Irvin stabbed a man at the barbershop.”

While some of the discussion veers into controversial and humorous territory, the hosts maintain a light-hearted tone, blending personal stories with sports commentary.

4. The Future of the Phoenix Suns and Team Strategy

John and Dale delve deeper into the Phoenix Suns' strategy moving forward, questioning the team's direction and leadership. They discuss the challenges the team faces in becoming a championship contender and the role Devin Booker plays in this narrative.

Notable Quotes:

• John Holmberg [31:03]: “Devin wants to play with Cat. Go.”
• Dale Hellistray [31:40]: “You're beyond the media guy. Devin Booker will get you, 27, 28 a night and be the face of the franchise for five years for no reason.”

The hosts express skepticism about the Suns’ ability to leverage Booker’s talent effectively within the current team structure, suggesting that without significant changes, the franchise may continue to struggle.

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with Holmberg and Hellistray reiterating their perspectives on both the sports and personal anecdotes discussed. They blend humor with critical analysis, offering listeners a comprehensive look into their viewpoints on recent events and the future of their favorite teams.

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Key Takeaways

• Personal Boundaries: The discussion highlights the importance of maintaining appropriate boundaries, especially in situations involving minors.

• Sports Strategy: There's a clear debate on the Phoenix Suns' strategic decisions, particularly regarding Devin Booker's extended role within the team.

• Team Dynamics: Reflections on past sports incidents provide insights into team dynamics and leadership challenges.

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Notable Quotes Summary

1. John Holmberg [09:22]: “So you found it as equally strange that Brady took two 16-year-old girls to San Diego and slept in the room with them?”
2. Dale Hellistray [27:05]: “I disagree with you on the defender part when he wants to be. But I told you, we need to trade him.”
3. John Holmberg [31:03]: “Devin wants to play with Cat. Go.”
4. Dale Hellistray [31:40]: “Devin Booker will get you, 27, 28 a night and be the face of the franchise for five years for no reason.”

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Holmberg's Morning Sickness continues to blend humor, candid conversations, and in-depth sports analysis, making it a staple for Arizona’s morning radio listeners seeking both entertainment and insightful commentary.

Transcript

[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellistray]

All right, HMS Podcast time again. It'll let you know where to go for some great comedy in the Valley this week.

[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellistray]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellistray]

Come on. No, no, he's not. He's not evil.

[John Holmberg]

He's just a bit rude. 98, can you be three time world champion? Dale Hel is in the room right now. Welcome, Dale. Dallas Cowboy.

[Dale Hellistray]

How come I don't hear anything.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know. What are you doing wrong? I don't know.

[Dale Hellistray]

Oh, there you.

[John Holmberg]

There you go.

[Dale Hellistray]

There we. That knuckleheaded comedian.

[John Holmberg]

You didn't hear me introduce you as three time world champion.

[Dale Hellistray]

Thank you.

[John Holmberg]

Dale Hell street of the Dallas Cowboys. Also played for the Ravens and the Raiders and the Bills and didn't do anything there, but three time world champ.

[Dale Hellistray]

I got the AC Championship game in Buffalo.

[John Holmberg]

With Buffalo and. Yeah, but didn't get it. Didn't quite finish her off there, did you?

[Dale Hellistray]

Would you be happy with an AFC championship game this year for Pittsburgh if they lost it? Yeah, if they get there.

[John Holmberg]

Second place sucks. Third place is last.

[Dale Hellistray]

So you rather miss the playoffs, you.

[John Holmberg]

And if you're not going to go all the way, what are you doing?

[Dale Hellistray]

Your little bed buddy.

[John Holmberg]

You're setting me up for my first question. You're absolutely right. If you're not going to win at all, it's a failed season.

[Dale Hellistray]

Do you realize how many people have actually won a super.

[John Holmberg]

I know there are very few successes in the NFL. I agree. Most all are failures.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And if you're just happy being there, wow. So be it.

[Dale Hellistray]

Wow.

[John Holmberg]

I guess if you. I guess if winning the division is enough for you, congratulations.

[Dale Hellistray]

Does that make it for a fun season for a fan though?

[John Holmberg]

Up until that thing where they are.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I mean, that's branded as failures, Right.

[Brady]

Get all the way to the super.

[John Holmberg]

Bowl and you get branded as a Super bowl loser. Failed season.

[Dale Hellistray]

I. I like to ask some of my buddies who've played in Buffalo.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

And in Pittsburgh. And Pittsburgh, they've got champions. And I like to ask him, I go, what? Well, what's the super bowl loser party like? Oh, you know, I mean, what is that?

[John Holmberg]

Do they have the party?

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah, they do. Oh, well, that miserable. I was just telling the story because when we came out here for the super bowl, you know, Jerry Jones went to the city of Tempe. We were staying at the beach. Oh, yeah, you told me that. And. And got the drinking hours change and every.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, everything closed at 1B.

[Dale Hellistray]

You're planning on winning. Blah, blah, blah. Like. No, you're.

[John Holmberg]

But it can backfire because like what Oklahoma City did for game six or seven of the championship game against the Pacers, they parked the buses they were going to do in the parade that had Oklahoma City Thunder world champions wrapped already down by the Pacers locker room and you know, had not Halliburton blown his leg up, there's a good chance that would have been It. And here's how I know. Only the super bowl winner is successful and it's a failed season. Never go in the locker room of the losing team and have them going. That was great. We had a great time out there. Made it to the Super Bowl. What a season.

[Dale Hellistray]

No, but it might.

[John Holmberg]

They're miserable.

[Dale Hellistray]

After a week, you're. You're sad.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. When you start to sav your lies.

[Dale Hellistray]

But. But I'm saying. So let me finish the story. So he was. He went to the Tempe City Council and. And said we need to get drinking hours extended. And everybody in the media like, oh, he's getting ready for a party and blah. Well, you don't middle the fourth quarter. Go. Oh, we got a 14 point lead. Let's throw together. Let's throw together party. Yeah, yeah. It's. It's this.

[John Holmberg]

And I was actually at that thing and I remember Jerry Jones going and going. My long snapper is an alcoholic. We need to make him happy.

[Dale Hellistray]

Till 4 in the morning, actually, because I don't think we got there till 10:30, 11:00 clock at least. And. And Bear Barry was pretty hammered that.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, Switzer.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Well, he was hammered during the game. Right. You didn't need him at all.

[Dale Hellistray]

No, not a whole lot. Not a whole lot. Super nice guy, though.

[John Holmberg]

Sure. He's a wonderful guy.

[Dale Hellistray]

But probably my favorite good drinking buddy. He actually knew your family.

[John Holmberg]

No kidding.

[Dale Hellistray]

Jimmy didn't.

[John Holmberg]

I'm gonna need a wild amount of crack and prostitutes and ain't that last till 4 in the morning?

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And you got us. Was there a lot of drug use at your super bowl parties? I don't know, but I had statue limitations. Is up. You can say.

[Dale Hellistray]

I don't. Well, again, it was. You didn't. And I've told you this before, the White House.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

There are certain guys who didn't even know about the White House.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

Because we were not.

[John Holmberg]

Which was the sex. The sex domicile that was right across from your practice.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah. You could see it.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

Albert Harper pointed out that. That's it. I'm like, I never even knew it was there, but I was never gonna get invited. So the drugs. I'm sure there were some going on. I'm sure they let some slappies in, like, you know, the Holmbergs or whatever.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yeah. And then Dale Hell street was at the outhouse party, which was pretty cool. You were allowed in that.

[Dale Hellistray]

But I had a good friend who. We're still buddies today from about 8 years old. He's Gonna get me drunk. That was his thing he's get me drunk on. Because you don't, you know, you don't eat and. Yeah, so he's buying triple Jack Daniels and not buying. Getting triple Jack and Cokes. But the idiot was getting himself a triple Jack and Coke. So he went down before.

[John Holmberg]

Way before that.

[Dale Hellistray]

Had to be a fun part.

[John Holmberg]

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[Dale Hellistray]

Did you help him carry the slate?

[John Holmberg]

I did. I did. I did this time. I helped him carry the slate.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yep. I had my finger on it. Like it's going over here.

[Dale Hellistray]

Was it on a dolly?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And it was like. And put it over there. And he had his son there too. So I didn't want to get in the son's way.

[Dale Hellistray]

Okay.

[John Holmberg]

Kid needs to learn, right?

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And plus I wasn't getting paid. I was paying for this. Why am I doing all the heavy lifting? So bring it in there. Yeah. So he'll get you. Get you hooked up.

[Dale Hellistray]

He is built like a slate carrier.

[John Holmberg]

I think that's how he got built.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Kevin's a good dude, but he's getting everything. He's getting furniture. I didn't know that he got furniture for my rental. Like game room. It's awesome. So go to prestigebilliardsaz.com and buy what Dale has not bought because he's too cheap so far. Now speaking of cheap, before we get into really, I want to talk sports with you. You started giving Brady a little grief. Yes, about transfer. He asked what did we do on our vacation.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And we told I don't do anything because I don't go anywhere. I might for my birthday, but I'm not sure.

[Dale Hellistray]

When's your birthday?

[John Holmberg]

Oh, yours is tomorrow. I just realized.

[Dale Hellistray]

Happy birthday.

[John Holmberg]

Dale. Dale, what are you. What are you doing for your birthday?

[Dale Hellistray]

My wife put together a little shindig. I guess there's this game show place where you go and play games.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, so real safe family fun.

[Dale Hellistray]

Well, it's family. Yeah. I mean but we're not staying in the same hotel room or anything. My 30 year old daughter stay with me.

[John Holmberg]

So you found it as equally strange that Brady took two 16 year old girls to San Diego and slept in.

[Dale Hellistray]

The room with them? I think it was the nonchalantness that he said, yeah, why am I gonna get them a room?

[John Holmberg]

Why would I get them a room? He said to you, because you even said, why didn't you get him a room? Yeah, why would I get them a.

[Dale Hellistray]

Room if I, if, if I have Hillary and Kendall? They're 33 and 30, but if they're 16, 17 years old, they're bringing a friend.

[John Holmberg]

You don't want them to smell your ass because that's what you'd be, blowing farts on them.

[Dale Hellistray]

What are you doing? I mean, what are you turning away and looking away? Because they're ch. Ranging.

[John Holmberg]

And that's what I said. Poor girl was a hostage.

[Dale Hellistray]

That's weird.

[Brady]

I already had it booked. She asked she could bring her friend last minute. Ronnie wasn't going, so I said, sure.

[John Holmberg]

And then you got to get him. You could have said yes.

[Brady]

I couldn't afford a second.

[Dale Hellistray]

They don't pay enough here. Yeah, yeah, it's true.

[John Holmberg]

He's struggling right now. I mean, he can still afford, he can still afford to take a stranger's kid all the way to San Diego and pay for everything.

[Dale Hellistray]

What did the other parents do, say, yeah, you're rooming with my daughter?

[Brady]

Yeah, they requested she can go as long as she rooms with us.

[John Holmberg]

She is a Mormon community.

[Dale Hellistray]

I mean, I mean, 16, it's one thing. Is there six, seven, eight.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, you have to keep in the room.

[Dale Hellistray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

Legally, like, they're.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah, but 16. Are you walking around? What, in shorts, no shirt? Are you nothing?

[Brady]

I sleep new in your skies.

[John Holmberg]

God, there's still nothing to see.

[Dale Hellistray]

That's a sight.

[John Holmberg]

Don't worry about it. It just looks like a guy.

[Dale Hellistray]

Oh, there's a lot to see. Just not. What?

[John Holmberg]

No genitals? Don't worry about that. You're not going to see anything dirty. You're right. I need to think of that. How? Did you walk through the room?

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Did you always wear shirt?

[John Holmberg]

Always clothed? Yeah. Like you just never wore.

[Dale Hellistray]

Do you sleep at night with your shirt off?

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

You drop top with this girl. Oh, that's so awkward.

[Brady]

I, I, I would say her name and then take my shirt off.

[John Holmberg]

Dale, your dog. Would, Would your daughters go to their six, go back in time to when they were 16 and Brady and his daughter. Want to take your daughter over to San Diego and you find out he was in the room topless.

[Dale Hellistray]

First question. Other two rooms.

[John Holmberg]

First and only question, and I'll kick in. Where were the parents of her? Like, saying, hey, if you're going to take her because she's last minute. We'll kick in for another room because we know that's weird and we don't want her sleeping with you. They didn't even offer.

[Dale Hellistray]

No, now hold on. You got one room. So did you get a king size bed?

[Brady]

Yeah, I got a one twin. I made him like, they want a king. I go, no twin. So you're two queens.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Brady]

And, and a pull out couch. So she didn't want to sleep.

[John Holmberg]

Did you get comfy taking the shirt off?

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And just go, here it is. Glorious.

[Brady]

Well, they already, it was already, everyone was already asleep. You kind of fall asleep and then.

[John Holmberg]

You wake up and take it off.

[Dale Hellistray]

And then you wake up in the.

[John Holmberg]

Morning and then you wake up and your clothes are.

[Brady]

I'm up.

[John Holmberg]

Sleep in Brady. Okay, but Caitlyn went to sleep and then you took your clothes off. And then. So if she woke up the other.

[Brady]

Night, I kept it. I didn't take the shoe because I did that. I changed that up a little bit.

[John Holmberg]

But she like, she walks by in the middle of night to go pee because all girls do and sees a naked corpse.

[Brady]

Their bed was close to the bathroom. They never got up at night.

[John Holmberg]

But she still got a glimpse of it and she still haven't. Nightmares. Like that is awful.

[Brady]

Again, core memories.

[Dale Hellistray]

Did you even think about this, like as you're driving?

[Brady]

No, I didn't, I didn't think about that at all.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, gotta think they're right.

[Brady]

And it's right on the bubble. I'm like, okay, well if we do it next year, maybe I will.

[John Holmberg]

No, I don't think maybe.

[Brady]

But, but next year might be a.

[John Holmberg]

I'll tell you this.

[Brady]

Turbo. Yeah, because we did that one year. She brought a throne.

[John Holmberg]

But I'll tell you this right now, he would do this again next year if it wasn't for the ridicule he received immediately upon finding.

[Brady]

I'll do that.

[John Holmberg]

He was human trafficking. He was human trafficking a woman.

[Brady]

There'll be four of us in there.

[John Holmberg]

This is the defense mechanism of Brady right here is that he's trying.

[Brady]

We did it the year before too.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but another friend and, and you had your wife there, which is four of us. Here's the other thing. And I don't know if this still goes on. Both of you guys probably have a spot. I, I, I actually do suffer from this. I don't know if you two do anymore. Probably not. You know, nocturnal boners that you wake up with a huge raging arrest.

[Brady]

Yeah, no, I didn't you don't have that anymore. That didn't happen.

[John Holmberg]

I have it.

[Dale Hellistray]

I. I was okay. I was okay with theory, but not a huge one.

[John Holmberg]

I wake up on the couch sometimes. I'm like, jesus, what if we had company? Like, it just comes screaming out and that's.

[Brady]

I've never.

[John Holmberg]

You don't get those.

[Brady]

No, I have gotten them, but I didn't recently.

[John Holmberg]

You're supposed to get one every night. That's. You're supposed to get those.

[Brady]

Maybe I've slept through one, but I have. I don't get one.

[John Holmberg]

You can't sleep through mine. Mine taps me on my shoulder.

[Brady]

Last. Last night.

[Dale Hellistray]

Oh, my.

[Brady]

Last night. I remember.

[Dale Hellistray]

Oh, my Lord.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, it's terrible.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Sometimes it feels like it's gonna rip through the skin. It's like one of those sausages, like, in those pack. And I was like, how's it.

[Dale Hellistray]

The little weird. No, no.

[John Holmberg]

How's it packed in there so tight?

[Brady]

And why can't that guy show up all the time?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Where's that guy ever. Like, sometimes it's like the top of it works and the middle's not right or vice versa.

[Dale Hellistray]

But what I want to know is when you sat down on the bed to get ready to go to bed, did you even think. Think about not taking your shirt off? Did you think, this is a little.

[Brady]

No, I thought about. Yeah, I. I kept it on for the most part. And then I woke up, you know, like two in the morning.

[John Holmberg]

And then. Took your pants off.

[Brady]

I took everything off.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Good Lord. You had one of those weird boner morning sickness.

[Dale Hellistray]

Holmberg's morning sickness.

[John Holmberg]

See, that's. I couldn't do that just for the fear that my. My massive erections would be noticeable by the. Even my daughter. I don't want her in there for that.

[Brady]

But you're. Yeah, it's different.

[John Holmberg]

No, it's not.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah. You said they were closer to the bathroom, but I know you have to get up in the middle. Yeah, that's a. That's the thing with the bathroom. One bathroom? Yeah. Two girls. And you.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

Did you go dumpless for a couple days?

[John Holmberg]

That's what he tried to sell us on that.

[Dale Hellistray]

Or did you go down to the lobby?

[Brady]

Went down the lobby once.

[Dale Hellistray]

Lobby.

[Brady]

Once she would go to the lobby.

[John Holmberg]

You had to call the authorities. And then she'd get nabbed and pulled back into the.

[Dale Hellistray]

Really? Cause. Well, we need to meet her then.

[John Holmberg]

She dropped some serious ass. He lied about this. Now he's not gonna tell you the truth later. The truth. Because I asked him, I'm like, you poop in the middle of the night, late night. You talk about that all the time. And he said no, not anymore. Don't do that anymore. And then later in the story, he's like once at 2 in the morning. So that girl had to inhale Brady's.

[Dale Hellistray]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, Brady's do.

[Dale Hellistray]

And you're making noise and usually the fans don't drown out the sound and everything.

[Brady]

Stealth. It was very stealth.

[John Holmberg]

Believe.

[Brady]

No explosion. It was smooth saucer.

[Dale Hellistray]

So seriously, the parents were okay stains in the toilet?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You left stains.

[Dale Hellistray]

They get up in the morning.

[Brady]

Yeah, I left it on there.

[John Holmberg]

Boy. Yeah, this is.

[Dale Hellistray]

And her parents were okay with it?

[Brady]

Absolutely.

[Dale Hellistray]

No they weren't because they that.

[Brady]

And we had a blast.

[John Holmberg]

He's defending Dale. You can't get it. You can't get around his normalizing of.

[Brady]

Fun with me on vacation. I mean, well.

[John Holmberg]

Cause we're adults. We could but as a 16 year old girl. As a 16 year old girl lives down the road. I shouldn't have fun with you on vacation. That shouldn't happen ever. I shouldn't relate to you. I shouldn't want to do the same things as you. And I certainly shouldn't want to sleep in the same hotel as you at all.

[Brady]

It really wasn't that big of a deal.

[Dale Hellistray]

But okay. So what'd you guys do? Of course, not in your mind.

[John Holmberg]

Not to you, but to the world.

[Dale Hellistray]

What'd you guys do? We.

[Brady]

I rented a boat one day and.

[John Holmberg]

Took him into the international waters and got Newport beach.

[Brady]

Went to Newport and went around the.

[Dale Hellistray]

So you could have afford a boat.

[John Holmberg]

In lieu of the room he should have slept in the boat just dumped off the edge. Anyway. He normalizes the very unusual. I was glad to see your face when you. When he said that he did that. You're like.

[Dale Hellistray]

I would not say get in the same room.

[John Holmberg]

That was Dale's first.

[Dale Hellistray]

What? Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

I didn't think anything of it.

[Dale Hellistray]

But you should have. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And most pedophiles don't. But I mean that's when. When we have to draw.

[Dale Hellistray]

I have a feeling their parents thought about.

[Brady]

Yeah, I. I can. You know, they didn't say anything to me.

[John Holmberg]

That is weird too.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

That's too trusting of a name.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

I would not allow.

[John Holmberg]

Would you let. Yeah. Would you let Kirby?

[Brady]

You wouldn't.

[John Holmberg]

No, no.

[Dale Hellistray]

Not. Not in 100 years.

[John Holmberg]

That's just weird. I wouldn't put you.

[Brady]

My daughter went on vacation with your family.

[Dale Hellistray]

We get another room.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Didn't if you. If I figure the. Yeah, the kids. I mean, depends how there. How many there were. There's three of us.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Two of them get a room and you get a room.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah. That way you can.

[John Holmberg]

You're not gonna divide it over.

[Brady]

I didn't think it'd be that uncomfortable for them. And maybe I'm. Maybe fear. Well, it. You found out it was 16.

[Dale Hellistray]

But I wasn't 17.

[John Holmberg]

No, 16's not okay.

[Brady]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't know that I mean, but it was no different from when we go on vacation. My family there'd be.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes, it's another person's.

[John Holmberg]

And I'd have a friend, a stranger that would stay with your family in the same room.

[Brady]

No, I'd bring a friend on vacation.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And you would stay in the same room with your parents.

[Brady]

Yeah, sometimes 16 in high school.

[John Holmberg]

I can't imagine trying to think of a. Your parents would want their own privacy, wouldn't they?

[Brady]

We did it both times.

[Dale Hellistray]

And you're sharing a bed in high school with another dude.

[John Holmberg]

There's that too.

[Brady]

We didn't do that.

[John Holmberg]

You're right, Dale. I missed that part.

[Brady]

You get to pull away usually in the room.

[John Holmberg]

And so everybody.

[Brady]

You think about. Yeah. It's different when it's teens because you think about what they do, what you do on spring break or fall break you're all cramming into. There would be six people in a room.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. But not your parents or someone else.

[Dale Hellistray]

I know.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. That's the weird thing, right. Anyway, you're a strange young man. Thanks for. Thanks for all that. It is odd.

[Dale Hellistray]

Hey, Johnny. Shane Sudra.

[John Holmberg]

Let me tell you this. Hold on. I know for a fact if my dad stayed in a room with my 16 year old sister and her friends, there would have been problems.

[Dale Hellistray]

There have been fireworks.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Because her friends were ridiculous. Like she was friends with Stephanie Seymour, the old model in like eighth grade. She came to her house, okay. And so she had friends on that caliber for a little while. And my dad wasn't even allowed in the house when her friends were. Well, he would stand in the window and watch him swim and stuff. And then I'd. I'd be like, what are you doing? Get out of here. And then I'd look out the window and the two of us just be standing there like American gothic painting just standing out the window, looking at this 1980s rock video in our backyard. So I know for a fact.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Dan wouldn't have been able to. Wouldn't have been allowed to do that.

[Dale Hellistray]

No, I. I just think 60. There's an age cut off. Yeah, at 16.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that's a little old. Yeah. So next time. Yeah, now. Now.

[Dale Hellistray]

You know, now, but whatever.

[Brady]

Looks like no friends for Kirby.

[John Holmberg]

No, she could still have friends. Just you.

[Brady]

Like in the Sega room.

[John Holmberg]

You're too cheap not to look like a pervert. Like you're paying to. Not like you're not helping them. You're helping you. And don't you want private time?

[Dale Hellistray]

You see, that's right.

[John Holmberg]

That's me. I would like. I'd like.

[Dale Hellistray]

You know, don't you want to be. Don't you like to get in your underwear and just hang out?

[John Holmberg]

So to speak? You know, give yourself a tug.

[Dale Hellistray]

Little espn.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, give yourself a tug. Whatever you want to watch. And give yourself a tick. Didn't you feel like I give myself a tug. And get some good sleep.

[Dale Hellistray]

Get rid of these girls.

[Brady]

Three, three day vacation with.

[John Holmberg]

That's ten times.

[Brady]

And we'll have a fun time.

[Dale Hellistray]

And you snuck into the bathroom.

[Brady]

We'll have a gay old time.

[Dale Hellistray]

You snuck into the bathroom at 2am to take a dump. And you don't.

[Brady]

There's no sneaking.

[Dale Hellistray]

There's no stinking.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, Claude got up, walked by. Make way, ladies. It's happening. At least it was a long room anyway.

[Brady]

Bathrooms.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, it's gross is what it is. Nobody wants to smell.

[Dale Hellistray]

What I want to know is the suns sent you a season ticket invoice.

[John Holmberg]

Oh my God. We're getting into this, Dale.

[Dale Hellistray]

Somebody's gotta pay it.

[John Holmberg]

All right, we're getting into this, Dale Hellister. Now I want to talk about sports for Christ's sake. You bothered Brady enough about his perversions and it's time to move on. Yeah, I'm with you on that one though.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Hey, Brady, can I take your daughter and her friend?

[Brady]

You know, you guys, you did it. I'm gonna get a second room.

[John Holmberg]

Wouldn't it be weird if I did that? If there's like just stayed in the room with Caitlyn and two different beds.

[Brady]

What do you mean just you?

[John Holmberg]

We're all on vacation. And I'm like, hey, Caitlyn, why don't you just. Oh, I do know her. I know her as well as, you.

[Brady]

Know, if it was just you and Caitlyn.

[John Holmberg]

And it's like, hey, Caitlyn gets a bed and I get a bed and because that's just the way it's worked out. She's a last minute replacement. I got an extra bed. She can stay in my room.

[Brady]

I would go in your room.

[John Holmberg]

No, no, no. You're staying with Kirby and Ronnie and the whole gang.

[Brady]

We'd mix it up.

[John Holmberg]

Or you'd rather have. And here's another thing I wouldn't do. If you're like, oh, Kirby and Kaitlyn can have your room and you can stay with us. I'd be like, ah, yourself. No, that's not happening.

[Dale Hellistray]

John. Here. One queen bed.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, I'm not doing that. Brady.

[Dale Hellistray]

Brady.

[John Holmberg]

I shared a room with him once in Vegas and it was a big suite and it had a living room and a bed and two bathrooms with jet tubs. First thing the angel does is take a jet bath and he run you. And then. So this was before CPAP came into his life.

[Brady]

Cal gone.

[John Holmberg]

So, yeah, he got taken away. He crawls into bed, into the big king sized bed. I'm sleeping on the couch, which was fine by me.

[Dale Hellistray]

Right?

[John Holmberg]

And I'm down on the. It's a big room and all I hear is like that dude's dying. And then it kind of little snoring. Yeah. And then, and then, and then I kind of comb through it and like, okay, at least it's consistent. It's nice noise. And then suddenly from the bathroom, he left the jets on and it had drained, right? So it starts blowing jets.

[Brady]

It's on a timer, but the timer wasn't switched.

[John Holmberg]

And he was in there and then not in the bathroom, but it was his bath. And he goes, what's that? I'm like, I don't know. That sounds like the bath jets.

[Brady]

Oh, it woke the king up.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. And then he goes right back. He didn't even get up to fix it. It was just going to be a noise we all dealt with.

[Dale Hellistray]

Well, what is so weird? See, well, when you talk about you guys rooming together. Yeah. I room with my brother on a trip. We went to see Ohio State football game. And I made a decision very quickly when he came walking out of the bathroom in his shorts and no shirt. And I said, never again. I walked down to the front desk. I need my own room. I can't see this.

[John Holmberg]

Brady and Randy Johnson shared a room once.

[Dale Hellistray]

The picture.

[John Holmberg]

Yes. Those two cheap bastards laid together in.

[Brady]

A Best Western, booked the room and he says, you get a room. And I go, yeah, I. You know, Ontario, California. Best Western. Yeah, like it was decent. So I booked the room. I go, it's. It's 99 bucks a night. And so if you want me to get you one. Oh, no, cool. I'll split it with you.

[John Holmberg]

And you said okay.

[Brady]

And the minute we get to the. I rented a car.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brady]

And I said I'm also flying on southwest. I'm figuring right. He's like I'll get the same flight. So he did and everything. And the minute we got to the door of the room.

[Dale Hellistray]

What were you doing in Ontario, California with Randy Johnson?

[Brady]

Seeing the drag race.

[John Holmberg]

He went to the NHRA races. He was just wanted to caps and.

[Brady]

He wanted to photograph get on the tree there and.

[John Holmberg]

But you said yes to that, which is as strange as him saying yes.

[Dale Hellistray]

Sure.

[Brady]

I'd say you had a roommate and footballer.

[John Holmberg]

They make you there.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And what.

[Brady]

And the good higher ups could have.

[Dale Hellistray]

The last six, seven years of my career I had a room by myself.

[Brady]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John Holmberg]

But you earned that.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

No it isn't. For some people it isn't. You're not.

[Brady]

It didn't bother me that.

[Dale Hellistray]

But at least it's another guy.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

The daughter and her friend thing, that's unforgiving.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not sleeping in the same room as Randy Johnson's and I was.

[Brady]

I didn't look at it that way.

[Dale Hellistray]

So what did he do? Give you $47.50?

[John Holmberg]

Yes. What the hec?

[Brady]

$35 and 50 cents for the rental car.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

Come on.

[John Holmberg]

Cash at the door right there. That's your fault though. It's like Randy Johnson, I'll just stay.

[Dale Hellistray]

In your room with you.

[John Holmberg]

You're like no you won't, you giant loaf. Get your own room. Yeah, they get tons of room. It's Ontario. You'll find your. I'll just sleep in the bed with you.

[Brady]

I just asked a simple question. You sleep on your stomach, you can stay.

[John Holmberg]

And then I. And then I slept guts with Brady for an hour and a half while I slept through it.

[Dale Hellistray]

Hey, do you travel?

[Brady]

He was a pleasant roommate.

[Dale Hellistray]

Do you travel with your CPAP machine?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, that's right.

[Dale Hellistray]

You have to pack it up.

[John Holmberg]

Put a backpack in the backpack.

[Brady]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So poor Caitlyn, the 16 year old girl had to wake up.

[Brady]

It's about this big. It's about the size of your phone. A little bit thicker like and so.

[Dale Hellistray]

Did you break that out with the girls in the room?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, yeah. So Caitlyn woke up to pee in some naked Darth Vader I keep in the hallway. You should have kept yourself in the hallway. It's all weird. Witnesses hostile there.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

All right, we're going to talk about basketball here in a minute.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Anyway, we'll get to that in a Second, Dale Hellistra is here courtesy of our friends at Prestige billiards. Prestige billiards AZ.com for all your gaming and beyond needs. It's 98.

[Dale Hellistray]

Holmberg's Morning Sickness.

[John Holmberg]

All right, let's get right to it. It's 9:46. Dale Hellis Tray is here. He's been here for a long time now and we very rarely talk sports, but we have to. Now I went off a little bit about it this morning, Dale. Devin Booker signed a two year extension with the Phoenix Suns. And you're looking at me, you know what I'm thinking and I've been on the Devin Booker is a great guy. Let's not turn him into Larry Fitzgerald, let's not turn him into Shane Doane. And then you have to realize, is it Devin Booker that is the problem? Two more years, guaranteeing five more years with the Suns here, at least on contract. It's a nice deal, a lot of money. 300 something million dollars now total through the next five years for a team that has been dismantled, that no longer has a chance at a championship on paper.

[Dale Hellistray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

They're not a contender. And he was happy to sign for two more years. What does that say about that player to you?

[Dale Hellistray]

Well, again, you and I don't agree on much but I, but I told you and I talked about and I said trade him.

[John Holmberg]

Have to trade.

[Dale Hellistray]

So Brady and Bird are going to get upset because Devin Booker got trade. Who cares what's the best for the team and what can you get the most for? And I was reading something this morning. He played 75 games last year, which is the most he's played since his second year in the league. Other things I watched him play in the Olympics last summer. Yeah, I'm like, wow, okay, defense, hustle.

[John Holmberg]

He's awesome.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

And then he gets into the season and it looks like he's, he's playing with nails in his.

[John Holmberg]

See, I look at him as a really good player, really good defender, reliable. You know, you're very rarely going to get 75.

[Dale Hellistray]

I disagree with you on the defender part when he wants to be.

[John Holmberg]

I think that's true of all NBA players. I think almost every one of them who scores has lapses on defense. And he's 26 a night.

[Dale Hellistray]

He just has 40 minutes worth of.

[John Holmberg]

Lapses sometimes, Sometimes it's like, yeah, I'll get those two points back. So yeah, there's that. But I think it speaks louder to a guy who says championships maybe don't really care. How important is a great Setup. Yeah. And he's happy here now. He's the face of the franchise. As the face of the franchise. To be absolutely brutal on Devin. Six coaches in 10 years while he's been here. One championship run, but that got dismantled.

[Dale Hellistray]

Well, that's because the Andre got a.

[John Holmberg]

$400 million roster that he was the face of along with another guy that didn't make the playoffs. And Suns fans are like no, we can't lose them. And I want to ask all of them why.

[Dale Hellistray]

And that's because it is, it's interesting. You bring that up to anybody who likes basketball or Suns fan and they go lose their ever living minds. Well, Luca, look what happened in Dallas with Luca. And I said okay, so they lost their mind for a month or two. And guess what? I have a feeling they're gonna be pretty damn good next year.

[John Holmberg]

I have a bet with Kevin Ray that deandre Ayton gets a ring before Devin Booker.

[Dale Hellistray]

He's with the Lakers now.

[John Holmberg]

He's gonna find one because he's. Give him credit for that. Yeah, he's not standing pat now. He. Portland was like you've got to go like that.

[Dale Hellistray]

And he never wanted to go to.

[John Holmberg]

Portland but he was a free agent. So he picked a team. It's like got a good chance here. LeBron and.

[Dale Hellistray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And Luca. This is exciting. This is the best. He picked an opportunity to advance, at least his status.

[Dale Hellistray]

And Devin get a run. I'm fine with a rebuild. By the time we get a roster worthy of maybe playoff consideration, It'll be my fourth year.

[Brady]

30 and his son can get a championship.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, maybe that little Devi will come up. Debbie is awesome, you know. But I just, I look at this and I just, I have to ask, ask Phoenix fans. Why do you lock on emotionally to these guys? And now he's got a two year deal and I'm like, well now I know for sure why that this junk drawer known as the Phoenix Suns is absolutely not competing and their star doesn't care.

[Dale Hellistray]

Did you have the same questions about Larry Fitzgerald?

[Brady]

Yes.

[Dale Hellistray]

You did.

[John Holmberg]

Shane Doe. I used to say, gotta get rid of Shane Doe. He's the problem. He's the only constant to your team not winning it.

[Dale Hellistray]

Wow.

[John Holmberg]

To the point where he was the only one.

[Dale Hellistray]

How about five owners?

[John Holmberg]

Okay. But he stayed through all of it. So if you're going to get rid of all this other stuff, why is it so important to keep him? Larry Fitzgerald? Let's be honest. The super bowl run, kind of an accident. That was a 9 and 7 team that still holds the record of being a football team that was down by 30 points or more in more games in a Super bowl run than any other team.

[Dale Hellistray]

Oh, really?

[John Holmberg]

They were down 30 points six different times that year.

[Dale Hellistray]

And your Steelers almost lost to them. And they should have lost.

[John Holmberg]

No, they shouldn't.

[Dale Hellistray]

Should have won.

[John Holmberg]

They shouldn't.

[Dale Hellistray]

They didn't. They won and the referees won.

[John Holmberg]

Well, they won no matter how Dale and I think you know this Steelers won that, too. Either way.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes, I, I, I am totally with you on, on the Devin Booker thing. Number one. Why wouldn't he force his way?

[John Holmberg]

Go contender where New York is dying. He wants to play with Cat.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Go.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And then get stuff back.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

But maybe they don't have anything to offer. Somebody else would. Cleveland something.

[Brady]

Well, it's got to be that maybe that the other teams aren't trusting the offers.

[John Holmberg]

He's not on the block.

[Dale Hellistray]

No, I, I don't think they have any conversations. And then you find out Durant's kind of doing things to, to lower his value. The sun don't get enough back from. I, I don't know. I was so excited about Matt Ishbia, because again, me too, after Sarver for a decade and. Oh, no, we're, we're were money poor.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. He was broke as an owner.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

He couldn't do what Ishbia did, which is throw money everywhere. Yeah, that's not working.

[Dale Hellistray]

The thing is, he threw through the money at home. Homeburg, Hella Stray and Brady.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Well, that, yeah. And that was the thing about Sarver. We all hated him because he was just the owner for himself.

[Dale Hellistray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

And he locked into a championship run accidentally with that team that wasn't supposed to do what they did, but they did it anyway. I look at Devin Booker and I say, please, Suns fans recognize. If you want a title, get serious. If you don't clog up that arena cheer and scream, realizing it's for nothing.

[Dale Hellistray]

$145 million.

[John Holmberg]

That ain't bad. I'd take that.

[Dale Hellistray]

And that's, that's how.

[John Holmberg]

He'S getting that no matter where.

[Dale Hellistray]

Well, he's not getting that much because he got the Bird rights and all.

[John Holmberg]

That, but he's getting his money. Eventually he's gonna get his money.

[Dale Hellistray]

Right.

[John Holmberg]

He's fine.

[Dale Hellistray]

And then, and then you got your boy, Bradley Beal.

[John Holmberg]

No, he's not to going here. Don't worry about that. We don't talk about Bradley Beal. That's a different topic. No, Bradley Beal is a lost topic. That's abortion. Bradley Beal is a topic you just avoid religion, politics and Bradley Beal. It's just don't even talk about. He's useless to try to bring up.

[Dale Hellistray]

To tell me this. If you were Bradley Beal, put yourself in issues and you're due 110 million over the next two years.

[John Holmberg]

I ain't leaving.

[Dale Hellistray]

And they say we want watch take a pay cut and we want to waive you.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. No, no, no.

[Dale Hellistray]

Unless it all equals 110 million.

[John Holmberg]

Think of Bradley Beal's situation prior to this. He was in Washington D.C. for years. Miserable. He comes here. He goes to the Bottle Blonde one night. What's this? He's hanging around Scottsdale for what's going on over here. And then he's at the Phoenician, he's at the W. He's at, you know, the Caesars.

[Dale Hellistray]

He's at all these places.

[John Holmberg]

Stake 44. And he's like, I'm not going anywhere.

[Dale Hellistray]

And I got $110 million and they.

[John Holmberg]

Have to pay me that. There's no way for them to get out of it. Why would he force his way to Utah? Dumb.

[Brady]

Got my crib on Camelback Mountain.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know if going. Anyway. So Bradley Beal is religion, politics, abortion and Bradley Beal all just useless. There's no change in anything.

[Dale Hellistray]

When the Suns made that trade for him and acquired him, I bet you that the addendum H was no trade clause. Oh, yeah. And they only got to G. They didn't look at.

[John Holmberg]

They didn't think they'd need it. No, he's gonna be fine. He's here for two years in a row anyway. Yeah. So prediction for the Suns is they will barely make the playoffs next year if they make it at all. Same exact squad. Holmberg's morning sickness and Devin Booker will get you 27, 28 a night and be the face of the franchise for five years for no reason.

[Dale Hellistray]

You're beyond the media guy. Oh, he's gonna.

[John Holmberg]

He's everywhere. Posters downtown. They're gonna. Statues of them. They're gonna make him out. And it's a. You're. You said this. And I was like, oh, you're crazy. You're right. The sons of the Cleveland Browns of the NBA. Absolutely right about that poorly run group.

[Dale Hellistray]

And I've been watching them since 1968.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. You've been. From the beginning.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes, from the beginning.

[John Holmberg]

And they've had their little bounces just like the Browns and managed to just monkey that whole thing up the entire way and ruin good things and then try to rebuild it and ruin it again. It's. You were right.

[Dale Hellistray]

So.

[John Holmberg]

I hate saying those words. Brett, Dale, you were right. I never thought I'd hear those words.

[Dale Hellistray]

Come out of your mouth, Bert. You're all clean shaven today. Is that when you go out in public?

[John Holmberg]

No, I gotta go. I gotta go make some money, visit the people. He's gonna make sure he doesn't look like a pig, for God's sake. That's why I never leave.

[Dale Hellistray]

I wonder if you get another invoice from the sun saying due to the Devin Booker ext and your season tickets.

[John Holmberg]

They already raised the prices back in March. You had to renew your tickets in.

[Dale Hellistray]

March for a 36 win team. They raised the price a lot.

[John Holmberg]

Every year I've had season tickets, they've gone up.

[Dale Hellistray]

Jesus. And you can't. And you can't sign a contract or anything that says, hey, for next.

[Brady]

Like lock them in.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

No, no, no. If you do, you're buying big seats like the front row. Mine are good, but they're not. The front row is a three year commitment.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah. Yours. A lot of steps to get up.

[John Holmberg]

Well, two is a lot of steps.

[Dale Hellistray]

You don't like.

[John Holmberg]

You don't like drop down living rooms. It's like not a thing for you, but yeah, I understand that. And football's right around the corner, so it's. All this is moot.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

All this is becoming pointless and who cares kind of stuff because it's great. And I like to see that the Cowboys are back at it. I think the Cowboys are going to win the NFC east because you know what, they're taking a page from your guys team. One of their guys just got arrested for having a gun and wasn't allowed to have. And this is exactly like the early 90s cowboys right now. A couple of good wide receivers, a quarterback that's solid. I don't know about the running game, but already the police blotter is filling up with Cowboy roster names and that means championship.

[Dale Hellistray]

You know, it's fascinating about that. I was talking with Kevin Guy, he's head coach, Arizona Rattlers. I broadcast their games and they got their last home game on Saturday and they're fighting for playoff spots, seating, things like that. And I was asking him this about two weeks ago. I said, have you ever had a championship team? Because he's won a number of champions without. Because he keeps saying, oh, these guys are great guys. They're great guys, great locker room guys, great, great practice guys. And then they'll they'll fail a little bit on the field. I said, have you ever won a championship without a couple guys? One criminal that you had to keep your eye on, and you're ready for 2 o' clock in the morning. And usually doesn't happen. Usually you got to have somebody.

[John Holmberg]

You got to have a criminal that's not too far. Not Vontae's. Perfect. Crazy. No, not Pac Man Jones.

[Dale Hellistray]

Although, did you see. Because I've got a couple.

[Brady]

Stanley Wilson.

[John Holmberg]

Stanley just went bananas. That guy's.

[Dale Hellistray]

The night before the Super Bowl. How.

[John Holmberg]

That's. But, Dale, that's how good crack is. You fight your whole life to get to your. The pinnacle of your career, and you're like. But crack. That sounds nice.

[Dale Hellistray]

Not. Not Friday, not Thursday, not Wednesday.

[John Holmberg]

Super Bowls tomorrow. Stanley, do you want some crack? Yes. I'm gone. How do you even say that?

[Dale Hellistray]

Oh, my goodness.

[John Holmberg]

What time's the game tomorrow? I don't like three. Want some crack?

[Dale Hellistray]

Mm.

[John Holmberg]

See you guys. Game time. Yeah, I'll be there. Don't worry about gonna make it. And he disappeared for days on crack. It's great. Yeah. So, yeah, I think you're right. A criminal.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes. You need. You need somebody that's gonna step over the line a little bit and you gotta reel them back in.

[John Holmberg]

You guys had Michael.

[Dale Hellistray]

Well, you had Nate somebody. That's the thing. I say I got a couple tactics. Evidently, there's something about the Cowboys. I don't know if it's a show or they're releasing little blurs, but I completely forgot about it. Michael Irvin took cuts in front of a couple guys to get his hair cut in the dorms in training camp.

[John Holmberg]

When you were playing.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, okay.

[Dale Hellistray]

And he didn't like the guy who was sitting on the chair.

[John Holmberg]

Okay.

[Dale Hellistray]

Wanted to get off and took some.

[John Holmberg]

Scissors and threatened to kill him.

[Dale Hellistray]

Well, stabbed him.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, he did actually stab him. Michael Irvin stabbed a man at the barbershop.

[Dale Hellistray]

Everett McIver.

[John Holmberg]

Damn. Why you been holding this out?

[Dale Hellistray]

I forgot about it.

[John Holmberg]

How do you forget about that?

[Dale Hellistray]

It's just one of those.

[Brady]

So many things have happened.

[John Holmberg]

Stabbed a teammate.

[Dale Hellistray]

Evidently a lot of black guys who go have this barber, they fly them in or whatever, and there'd be 10, 12 of them that get haircuts. Yeah. Michael didn't want to wait any any.

[John Holmberg]

Longer, so he tried to kill a man. And no one stopped because the guy wouldn't get it. The barber gave him the scissors?

[Dale Hellistray]

No, he grabbed this.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, okay.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And I wasn't in the room in the neck.

[Dale Hellistray]

It was around the neck.

[John Holmberg]

He was trying to kill. God. Oh, my God. It's just a little snafu right back.

[Brady]

It's a warning. It's a warning jab.

[John Holmberg]

Did he get his hair cut after that? Did the dude get up?

[Dale Hellistray]

No, he had. He had to go get.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, he had to go get stitches and get. Yeah, get his jugular head to the locker room. This is the kind of stuff you get from Dale. Yeah, I've not heard that.

[Dale Hellistray]

And some of that came up because somebody's writing a book on Troy and so this guy called me.

[John Holmberg]

And you told him that story?

[Dale Hellistray]

No, he. He brought it up to me. And again, I. I knew some of it. I didn't know the whole thing.

[John Holmberg]

Does Michael admit to this?

[Dale Hellistray]

I don't think he'd sit down here and talk about it, but it's. It's. It's substantial. Dale, you have to understand something. You go beast mode when you need a haircut. You can't get your beast mode. I'm not waiting any longer. That's you. No, it's me. It's taking too long. He's got them dreadlocks.

[John Holmberg]

Get him out of that seat. That's mine. Give me the ball. I'll never forget that when we were playing in your charity tournament and I was on his team and I had the ball at the three point strike and I'm about to make a move and I turn and there's Michael a foot from me. Give me the ball. What? Give me the ball. We're on the same team.

[Dale Hellistray]

I know.

[John Holmberg]

Steals it from me. Hits a shot and turns and goes, I'm 40. And then he ran down. I didn't even know what it meant. He was turning 40.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah, that week.

[John Holmberg]

I don't know what it was. And he lost his mind and he kept stealing the ball from me.

[Dale Hellistray]

I think him and Rob Moore were going at it or something.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, it was a Anquan Bolden. Oh, was it anquan and Josh McCown and him. He had a problem with Anquant and McCown's dunks. They were youthful and it was driving him nuts. He didn't try to kill them, which was evidently going to happen later. He's grown up.

[Brady]

Dale knew not to have any scissors available.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, he'll kept all the strap objects.

[Dale Hellistray]

I didn't go to that bar.

[John Holmberg]

You go to the same bar? Are you sure you weren't a hide and tight fade anyway. Wow. Well, that's a good one, Dale. Dale Hallustray talks about the attempted Murder of the world champion Dallas Cowboys in 1990 through 1994.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes. Man, oh, man. 1996.

[John Holmberg]

95 season. I think it was a strike year. I'm not really sure what happened. It ended funny. I know. It just didn't end right.

[Dale Hellistray]

It was a failure for it. But that had to be a fun season for you.

[John Holmberg]

No, it wasn't. It's a nightmare.

[Dale Hellistray]

Why?

[John Holmberg]

It's the. Larry got to the super bowl and lost. Don't lose Super Bowls. It hurts when they lose. It's even more of a failure. Not making it is less of a failure than getting it, really. You're on the field playing for the title and you lose.

[Dale Hellistray]

But you got there as a.

[John Holmberg]

If that's enough for you, a player. Yeah.

[Brady]

Making it to a Super bowl, playing a Super bowl is accomplishing a lot of stuff.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, that's great. I'm gonna get you both some flowers and tampons. Enough. If you win the super bowl, that's what you were there to do. If you lose it, it's a failure.

[Dale Hellistray]

I. I don't lose Super Bowl.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, see? And you can say that.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes. Yes.

[John Holmberg]

And had you lost one, you'd be.

[Dale Hellistray]

Like, no, just enough to get that bull crap.

[John Holmberg]

You'd have been like, no, it still hurts. It's still FC Championship game. You guys won't shut up about the NFC Championship game in San Francisco.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes. Because it was folding. Are you kidding me?

[John Holmberg]

One play.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yes.

[John Holmberg]

Of your failed season that year. Well, the Niners went on and won a Super Bowl.

[Dale Hellistray]

Wow.

[John Holmberg]

Because you guys couldn't get over the hump because of one play.

[Dale Hellistray]

Who's this? Jack Amara?

[John Holmberg]

Sean. He's filling in for Hilarious. Don't worry about it.

[Dale Hellistray]

He's raising his hand up.

[John Holmberg]

See, He's a Niners fan.

[Dale Hellistray]

Yeah, there's one in every bunch in there.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well, you're saying homosexuals. You're making fun of Sean. I apologize, Sean. That was uncalled for.

[Brady]

Hey, it's not weird. It's pretty cool, actually. No membership fee.

[John Holmberg]

I have heard enough of this.