07-22-25 - Wondering What Our Future Show Will Look Like - Latest S*Heel Of The Year Is Former PHX Childrens Hospital Worker Found w/Loads Of Child Sex Images

Summary

Holmberg's Morning Sickness - Arizona Episode: 07-22-25
Title: Wondering What Our Future Show Will Look Like - Latest S*Heel Of The Year Is Former PHX Children’s Hospital Worker Found w/Loads Of Child Sex Images
Release Date: July 22, 2025

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Overview

In this intense episode of Holmberg's Morning Sickness on Arizona's #1 Morning Radio Show, host John Holmberg and his co-hosts Brett, Brady Bogen, and Dick Toledo delve into a disturbing case involving a former employee of Phoenix Children's Hospital accused of possessing extensive child exploitation materials. The discussion expands into broader themes of technology's impact on criminal behavior, particularly concerning artificial intelligence (AI) and its potential role in either mitigating or exacerbating such issues.

Key Discussions

1. The Jadep Patel Case (07:35 - 16:37)

John Holmberg introduces the case of Jadep Patel, a former Phoenix Children's Hospital worker arrested for possessing over 80,000 child exploitation images. Holmberg remarks:

"We'd like to nominate Jadep Patel for the heel of the year. Nathan Sutherland Frank Caliendo Award for one of the worst. [07:50]"

The hosts discuss the gravity of Patel's actions, emphasizing the breach of trust inherent in his position at a children’s hospital and the devastating impact such crimes have on the community.

2. Technology's Dual Role (02:38 - 11:36)

The conversation shifts to the role of technology in both facilitating and combating criminal activities. John Holmberg criticizes the reliance on outdated technologies and hints at the potential of podcasting to address sensitive issues more effectively:

"I cannot wait for you guys to move to a more viable technology like podcasting so we can finally hear Brett's racism. [02:27]"

However, this leads to a debate on whether advancements like AI could provide platforms for offenders to engage in harmful behaviors virtually, potentially reducing real-world victimization.

3. Debating Solutions: AI and Punishment (11:36 - 24:25)

The hosts engage in a heated debate about possible solutions to prevent child exploitation. Brett suggests harsh punishments, advocating for severe legal consequences:

"You should stay in there for the longest time. That's execution. [14:39]"

Conversely, John Holmberg explores the controversial idea of using AI to create non-realistic images as an outlet for offenders, thereby preventing harm to actual children:

"At least give them something that isn't real. [21:40]"

This section highlights the ethical and practical dilemmas faced when addressing such heinous crimes, balancing punishment with prevention.

4. Listener Interactions and Real-Life Implications (19:07 - 23:45)

Listeners contribute to the conversation, sharing personal experiences and reinforcing the severity of the issue. One listener recounts a tragic incident involving a hacked phone receiving illegal content, underscoring the real-world dangers and the necessity for stringent measures:

"I turned it in, it was over. [16:47]"

The discussions also touch upon the legal system's challenges in prosecuting offenders and the potential for AI to either aid or hinder these efforts.

Notable Quotes

• John Holmberg on technology's stagnation:

  "I'm surprised the microwave lasts as long as it has. [01:09]"

• Brett on punishment:

  "You're done either way. [15:32]"

• Listener on recidivism:

  "Dead pedophiles don't reoffend. [19:47]"

• John Holmberg on societal response:

  "Society is making the vote heard. [19:53]"

Insights and Conclusions

The episode underscores the complexities involved in combating child exploitation, especially in the digital age. While severe punishments are deemed necessary by some hosts, others propose leveraging technology responsibly to prevent future crimes. The discussion reflects a broader societal struggle to balance justice, prevention, and ethical considerations in the face of evolving technological landscapes.

Holmberg's Morning Sickness effectively brings to light the pressing issue of child exploitation, encouraging listeners to engage in meaningful conversations about prevention, punishment, and the role of technology in safeguarding vulnerable populations.

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Transcript

[Host 1]

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[John Holmberg]

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[Brett]

You thought that was funny?

[John Holmberg]

You were laughing like a hyena when he said it. What the hell is wrong with you? Talking about dying technology a second ago and Steve emails in and says, john, short story about dying technology in your industry. Well, that's a little close to home. We said dying dead. Nu it says been going to the game day Men's Health for TRT since May. I love it. And another win for listening to you guys. My wife loves it too. And then he sent me a picture of Eggplant, which basically means Steve's dick works again. Thanks. Game Day says Few weeks ago I asked my injection tech why they only used to be open Monday, Wednesday and Friday, but now it's Monday through Friday. He's in his mid-20s and he said, we've been advertising on the radio and it blew us up. He said it's perfect for their target audience because kupd, the people who need this stuff, are the last generation that really go heavy on the radio and we need their service. He said he knows his car has radio stations but he has no idea how to turn that on and his little brother doesn't even know what a radio is. Says, I cannot wait for you guys to move to a more viable technology like podcasting so we can finally hear Burt's racism. That would be fun. But I don't think we're going to highlight. It is bigotry when we do take this to podcasting only. I don't want to highlight Brett's racism. That'll be his own podcast. I think it's right.

[Brett]

It's a spin off.

[John Holmberg]

I'll have Brad be the ropers. Yeah, you're gonna be the downstairs neighbor. You're the Mr. Furley. If he were a Klansman down underneath us. And again, I repeat, Brett's not the racist. He laughs at you for almost being racist. That's what we've just in our five years of Brett, which, by the way, this week, well, mark the fifth anniversary of Brett. Well, starting on Monday, the fifth anniversary of Brett. Make no bones about it, he's not the racist. But if you say anything that even tilts towards it or rhymes with it, he starts laughing like, you're going to get in trouble. Like, he. He likes that your life is about to end because of the eggshells, and that isn't racism, but boy, is it having fun with it. Your racism. Silver lining, my friend. You can't say anything. That's close. I. Look, the text I sent you yesterday, I couldn't have. Like, I know your emails are going to blow up, but just get it out of your system now, because there's no way we don't talk about Theo tomorrow. And I know already it is weird that you start talking about dying technologies and stuff and especially. And, you know, I'm not feeling isolated in that. I talked to doctors. We're uncomfortable lawyers. This is not a. This. There's no future for bankers. My buddy Mark's like, oh, yeah, no, this is. It's scary. Like, there's. It's a dying industry. The way it sits. It's crazy. We'll see. Yeah. The future is going to be a strange thing when it comes to, like, looking back because, I mean, it's fast in the last. I'm surprised the microwave lasts as long as it has. Like, it's essentially the exact same size. Makes a little less noise, probably technology a little more clean, but it's. For the most part, it's the same exact machine that it was when we started piling them in our houses back in the 80s. The technology is less murderous or carcinogenic, probably. I can't.

[Brett]

Well, I mean, they seem to trying to power things up, not using as much power too. I mean, look what we've done with light bulbs.

[John Holmberg]

Sure, sure. But I mean still. It's essentially screwed into a hole in the ceiling. And it's a light bulb. It's just a different kind.

[Host 1]

Except now you're paying six bucks for a light bulb instead of a dollar.

[John Holmberg]

Although. Yeah, that whole strip light thing has changed everything. The canned lights, you didn't have enough room because the roof was. They can just put tiny little it's. And they're bright and a fraction of the gossip.

[Brett]

The days of you still were probably that way. You turn the light off when you leave a room. Now a lot of people don't even turn the light off.

[John Holmberg]

I've never been one of those.

[Listener]

They're called teenagers.

[John Holmberg]

Yep. And then they're called me too because I never. I always forget. I prefer dark.

[Brett]

Well, your parents would. Would say something constantly.

[John Holmberg]

Oh, I leave the doors open in the summer for the dogs. I'm not getting up and down all the time.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So I just and the airs on. And I know it's dumb, but my dad would have strangled me to death if I left the door. And I know, look, I should. You close the door. But the backsliding door. Bus opens it anyway. He's figured it. Once you lose that battle to a dog, it's over. Bus. Bus is stupid little flat face. And the door just slides open and it's like I can't even lock it. He's figured out the lock. So bus is getting in and out and we just leave it open. And then he goes outside and comes back. It's. It's dumb but what are you going to do that the air conditioner is going to be running the whole time anyway. It's not changing anything. And speaking of. And another one Brett has emailed in. Not you, Brett. And it says make sure everybody gives their furry friends extra cookies. Today our boy Cooper had to go. We rescue him from a cattle dog in Denver 15 years ago. Been a great run. This is going to be a rough day. Sent me a picture of an awesome looking dog. So another batch of cookies. Go into your dogs and a little hug for your furry friends in honor of Cooper. I do that as often as you guys send that over to us. Especially for a dog that made it 15 years. Nice job, Brett Pluger and family. You got a dog through 15 damn years that's getting it done. And what you're doing is sad today, but it's the best thing you can do. Brett said it best a long time ago. 15 years of amazing companionship in exchange 3 or 4 months of really tough grief I'd take that. I'd take that deal all day long now before we move forward into hot releases and everything else real quick one I think we've got a container for the s heel of the year. Shane and I think we might be Nathan Sutherland category here. Shame how bad this dude is now he was arrested yesterday. A sinner comes before you and it was and begged for forgiveness. Odd headline because you don't like seeing these words together at all. Former Phoenix Children's Hospital worker We're off to a bad start.

[Host 1]

I saw this.

[John Holmberg]

Accused of sexually exploiting minors hanging around the children's the weakest of the week. His name is Jadep Patel. Don't. They found him on some websites. The the first initial thing I said that they found over 80000 pornographic images and comments so he was on a thing where you could. There's a. I forget what it's called Kick Is that the site it was. I remember said there's a tech it was a tech health technician at Phoenix Children's Hospital Investigation into Patel began when a series of tips were submitted online regarding social media profile that possesses children's sexual abuse materials. CSAM that's a thing. We're in a society that we had to shorten that. Investigators said that the tips came from the Internet service provider known for instant messaging on mobile profiles that include chat exchanges and the sharing of images and videos. So it's a whole underbelly of weirdos who are firing back and forth between each other. I like how I said that. Court documents also include transcripts of messages that Patel allegedly sent in the contents of which were a graphic. So there he was working the door over at Phoenix Children's hospital and when he'd go home dabbling in the world of child pornography. This man allegedly has been doing this. He's accused of nine counts of sexual exploitation of a minor. That's not good. And they went in and found a bunch of stuff on his phone evidently. So he's gonna end up having trouble with that. He's claiming he wasn't even on the site. And then people are like my son goes to that. I mean what did he do there? That's a pretty rough one. So we'd like to nominate Jadep Patel for the heel of the year. Nathan Sutherland Frank Caliendo Award for one of the worst. He is on the list. That's. That's. He's high up on that one. That's shame. That's a bad one. Shame. But it did launch me into a New way of thinking. And we're on the topic of technology. There's the Jadips of the world. And we're not doing a very good job if you ask me of slowing this down. I'm hearing about this as a guy who has to pay attention to current affairs and the ongoings of the nut bags that live amongst us. Technology has allowed us and an exit lane for weirdos in the form of AI. Should we question. Allow them anything they want on AI at all to stay away from the real people? Should there be an entire category for illegal fetish weirdos who are gonna do it to your kid? I'm of the mind that that's not something you can fix. They are that.

[Listener]

I agree there.

[John Holmberg]

But do we just have that to where you're like. And if anybody gets on it and gets caught, you're still in trouble. But you can't.

[Brett]

But the question is not a real kid curtail.

[John Holmberg]

We're not. They're not. We're not curtailing it as it is. Whatever we're doing isn't working. We read about somebody doing this once a week.

[Listener]

It's a shame. It just knocks them further underground.

[John Holmberg]

They're doing it with shame or otherwise. I mean it's the ultimate. And people still do this. So AI gives the off ramp to the weirdos to go. We don't get it. But go live in this fantasy world over here and cage them up or do whatever when you catch them and then let them have it. And never let. I'm a believer that that's the death penalty. Dabbling with the kids.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

I don't see how anybody gets a short sentence for that. I don't know how any. Like once you.

[Brett]

And is it. Can you prevent that or, you know. Basically. Correct.

[John Holmberg]

I'm not trying to correct you cannot. It can't be prevented. It can't be corrected. Somebody's got execution. Yeah. I don't disagree with that. But you get caught on it. But let's make it so AI has an entire thing we're not even monitoring. Go crazy, man. And let them have at that. And maybe they will stop wanting to be around real kids because they have an outlet. I'm not saying I agree with what I'm talking about. I'm saying it's an option.

[Brett]

Yeah. Because it's preventable.

[Host 1]

Then they could jump onto the other side and say, well now.

[John Holmberg]

But they're doing that anyway.

[Host 1]

I know. But I'm just saying I don't think that's gonna.

[John Holmberg]

You think it could be it could.

[Host 1]

Be a gateway, too.

[John Holmberg]

Could be a gateway to people. Is there a gateway? I'm just gonna play devil's advocate. Is there a gateway for that guy? If he's already willing to dabble even in the weirdest parts of it, you know you're screwed. So he's already gonna do it.

[Host 1]

Yeah. You're done either way.

[John Holmberg]

I don't think there's a guy teetering. Maybe I should, maybe I shouldn't. With children, I don't think that exists. I don't think there's somebody that needs to be pushed over the edge. I think it's just gonna happen. Like a guy who's got that going on. It's just gonna happen. But now we have a technology that can satiate your every whim. Holmberg's morning sickness. Do we cater to that group or continue to ignore them? Let them live in the shadows and actually get real? Kids sometimes. Now be accessible to Phoenix Children's Hospitals. Kids. And it's not. It's not the hospital's fault. They got rid of this guy anyway a while ago for whatever reason.

[Brett]

Well, what I know. The difference, obviously, is the AI and stuff, but what about the guy that is doing that? And all he's doing it is to the images to begin with.

[John Holmberg]

Right, but somebody. Those images are someone.

[Listener]

Well, that's this guy too.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, but those images are.

[Brett]

Someone's not actually physically touching kids.

[John Holmberg]

Okay, but those images are someone. Somebody is taking the picture. Somebody is. That's a real person.

[Brett]

I'm saying the difference of the AI image. You're still. In essence, it's not a real person.

[John Holmberg]

But it's not somebody in a room against their will.

[Host 1]

Monster.

[John Holmberg]

You're feeding the monster, but you're feeding the monster. Either way, the monster exists with or without food. Yeah.

[Listener]

The monster is living.

[John Holmberg]

The monster exists with or without food. The bus stop is feeding the monster.

[Brett]

It's. I feel, in a way, it may. It's like you're. You're basically giving them drugs.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I agree.

[John Holmberg]

There's my argument, though.

[Brett]

I know.

[John Holmberg]

You're giving them drugs by having children on the planet.

[Host 1]

I say straight to execution. I don't even like kids. But you mess with the kids.

[Listener]

John, I don't know if you remember the story of local teacher Morton Berger.

[Host 1]

Merger.

[Listener]

Sentenced to 200 years for owning pictures of child porn. He's been in prison already for over 20 years.

[John Holmberg]

Say it again.

[Brett]

Owning pictures.

[John Holmberg]

You should stay in there for the longest time. That's execution. If you have pictures of child porn, like, and you're hanging on to them, and you've got multiples, and you've interacted on the. Like, that's. I'm with Brett. I'm like, you're done. Like, there's no bringing you back. I don't want you back in society. You're done. And I'm fine for the death penalty, for the pedos. Got no issue with it.

[Brett]

I just don't see that working for them, because even. Even if it's the AI side of it, they're still gonna go outside. They still got to be in the real world.

[John Holmberg]

They're gonna do that anyway.

[Host 1]

But they could look at pictures of that and then all of a sudden, create AI them kids doing stuff, and then they're gonna. Imagination flaws. Want to do it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

[John Holmberg]

My argument. I understand again, my argument is they're gonna do that anyway.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

So maybe it's the dumb argument I always hate with gun control. Maybe it saves one. Maybe one guy goes, this makes it so I can. Maybe one priest goes, I won't touch a kid because I can get this somewhere else, and it's not actually hurting a person. I can imagine they probably have wild guilt that goes along with these feelings until they act on it. So if you give them a little outlet, maybe it. Maybe it calms them a little. I don't know.

[Brett]

So on the flip side, if you're saying, you know, you specifically said priests back in the day when this was happening.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Do you think those priests would have. If they had images instead of.

[John Holmberg]

But you're talking about. Images are still bad. I know.

[Brett]

Like, kids. AI images for these priests. Do you think that would. Like you said, they're gonna do it regardless, but they're still. I mean, they're doing the grooming. They're doing.

[John Holmberg]

You know, maybe it stops all that here and there.

[Host 1]

That's like watching the news this morning, they said, well, he's been caught with a significant amount of child porn. One is significant.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. It doesn't.

[Host 1]

It doesn't matter how many.

[John Holmberg]

If I had child porn in my phone, and I'd be like, oh, I'm just gonna get rid of that. Like, if somebody sent it to me, I'd immediately be like, okay, this ends now, because I don't want to go to jail.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Like, so I have one. I'm telling everyone. Like, because at one time, I had that link come through, and I clicked on it, and it was a kid standing there with no pants on, and it was. My phone got hacked, and it was like a 30 person thread of numbers I didn't know. And for some reason I'm like, what is this? And I clicked and it was bad. Took my phone right to at&t. That day it changed everything. I'm like, this is on there. You guys analyze it. I turned it in, it was over. I didn't want anything to do with it. Got knew everything. Six in the morning on a Sunday. It started to tell everybody I was going to kill myself too. It started text people that I was leaving, Goodbye, it's been nice knowing you. And then the next thing you know was that, no, I'm, I'm, I'm. Look, we're all on the same page about we need to kill him. I'm. No, not like, you know, not take vigilante justice. You get caught in this thing, you go to jail. It's like the penalty if you get convicted of this is the death penalty. But now this AI thing makes it so incels. They've encouraged. Incels who they have a propensity to get a little angry and violent to use virtual reality. The more realistic it feels and the better it is, the more attention they get. Now there you could potentially be dealing with somebody you're not going to stop from in any capacity at all. But there has to be an answer. Yeah, there has to be somebody. And Bren, Brett, you know what? That's a very valid argument.

[Host 1]

Yeah, no room in this society for you.

[John Holmberg]

And then Guillermo says, I can do it, but FBI doesn't care. Bad images are bad images, but they do care in the eyes of the law. Because you know all those child predators on TV that were going to have sex with a 16 year old, none of them were arrested because the bait girl was actually 19. So when you go to court, they're like, he thought he was talking to a 16 year old. But in reality, everything was on the up and up. Once it was all revealed, it was like, he didn't do anything wrong. She was 19 and none of those guys went to jail. In fact, NBC got in some legal heat because a couple of those dudes killed themselves for what essentially was the lawyer that came in and said, they didn't do anything. You had a 19 year old girl pretending to be 16. They were interested. That's role play. She's legal, she's an adult, he's an adult. They can do whatever they want and it's gross. But that's the, in the eyes of the law, an AI picture isn't. You didn't do anything John, I know.

[Listener]

You'Re not underage, and this isn't really part of the conversation, but what if some weirdo out there had a whole file of you? Different stuff from when you've been out in public and was pleasuring himself to it? By your theory, that's okay. And then he sees you in real life.

[John Holmberg]

I didn't say it was okay. But if he's got pictures of me and he's stalking me, that's also illegal. I'm a real person. Right.

[Listener]

That's the key in all this, is that the real versus you give some.

[John Holmberg]

Sort of weird cartoonish fantasy land. And if they get caught with it, you still get Brett's plan.

[Listener]

John, I don't have the full study on this, but here's a fact for you, okay? Dead pedophiles don't reoffend.

[Host 1]

There you go.

[John Holmberg]

Society is making the vote. Heard. All right, boy. I'm just throwing spaghetti against the wall, see if it sticks.

[Host 1]

Non points out at the best bullet with a name on it.

[John Holmberg]

Right. All right. Okay. Violence is the answer. And I'm with all of you. Right. All right. Okay. Just trying to figure out what we can do with this AI to make it so have something that they get fed what they need, because we're not going to stop them otherwise. I just don't think that there's anything that, you know, we can do to make that go away. So at least give them something that isn't real.

[Listener]

John. There was a movie, I think Ice Tea was in it, where he was hunted on a game preserve. Yeah, let's do that. Release them within a fence. And I have 24 hours to hunt them down.

[John Holmberg]

But you're talking about something awesome.

[Host 1]

Surviving the game. I think they've already.

[John Holmberg]

They've already done something to a kid to be there.

[Listener]

Yeah, that. Okay.

[Host 1]

So why waste time?

[John Holmberg]

Yeah. Well, no, I'm saying by the time. By your. By your plan, a kid has already been affected.

[Host 1]

It's true. I know, but he's not going to reoffend.

[Brett]

In the case Children's Hospital, he didn't have any interaction with the kids.

[John Holmberg]

Well, I mean, he was at the Phoenix Children's Hospital.

[Brett]

Yeah, but he had the images. So what it's basically saying is maybe.

[John Holmberg]

Kept him from digging.

[Brett]

That's what I'm saying. I mean, in your AI thing. Yeah, because a lot of these guys are getting caught that might have never acted on anything, but they had the images.

[John Holmberg]

Good. The images should still be illegal also. Yeah, but what would you rather have fake images or Images of real kids somewhere.

[Brett]

But if they didn't have those images.

[John Holmberg]

Gross.

[Brett]

Do you think they would? Like, if. Would it. Would it be better if they weren't allowed to have the images?

[John Holmberg]

They're not allowed to have the images.

[Brett]

Well, I'm saying, like, they can't even have access to.

[Host 1]

I think if you're that screwed up, it doesn't matter if you're real or not. Fantasy and reality is one in the same to those idiots.

[John Holmberg]

So that's my point. It's like at least we give them an opportunity to do it with no kids affected at all.

[Host 1]

But it could fire them up more.

[John Holmberg]

They're fired up already.

[Host 1]

No, not necessarily.

[John Holmberg]

See, I think. I don't think there's anybody just like kind of on the edge.

[Host 1]

Yeah. I don't just.

[John Holmberg]

I think. And Brett, you know, you keep circling back and I don't have any argument. Solution. Right. I mean, I'd see diminishing returns on my end. Brett seems to have the only true answer. Like, well, that one ended that, didn't it? That was the end of that. Yeah, I got no beef.

[Host 1]

I know what you're saying, but it's just. It's just I don't think you're gonna stop those people regardless. Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

And that's kind of. And then we're on the same argument, though. It's just like, we're not gonna stop them. But wouldn't it be better if they had.

[Host 1]

They'll only offend no kids.

[John Holmberg]

Yeah, well. And well, if they get caught. Gotta catch them.

[Listener]

Can't we just make pedophiles scared of the wood chipper again?

[Host 1]

God, you know wrong with that either.

[John Holmberg]

I don't think the punishment's severe enough. I don't think killing them is enough. I think the wood chipper is a nice idea, but. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I think that one's awful. Like. Like with murder, there's crime of passion. There's degrees of it. There's, you know, with. With this. It's what? There's no. Like, oh, he made a mistake. It's.

[Brett]

No, I won't do it again.

[John Holmberg]

Right. Yes, you will. You. You did it like you. That's it. There's no turning around. I'm not friends with anybody that says, oh, I used to be a pedophile. It's. It's. You still are. You're all alcoholics are less like day to day than you.

[Listener]

John to care. It's not. It's not right adjacent of it. But. But does porn stop rapes? No. So by if the rapist was just needing a fix, shouldn't watching porn cure him of wanting to rape?

[John Holmberg]

There have been studies that porn has calmed some people down. Who?

[Listener]

Really?

[John Holmberg]

But to what degree? Yeah, I'm not saying it's a cure all, and I'm certainly not defending their behavior. I'm just saying is there an avenue we can go down to say at the very least, no kids were actually in those images?

[Brett]

Just disturbing.

[John Holmberg]

It's awful, but they're out there.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[John Holmberg]

Brett, I think you're the Brit's the winner of debate A today. And do we help? Do we help society? I'm all for killing them, but if we kill them, that means they've already done something.

[Host 1]

Yeah, well, again, they won't reoffend.

[John Holmberg]

That's true. There's no recidivism in Brett's world. One and done. All right, well, this has been a heady topic. Very. You know, it's a. It's a tough one to get through, you know, a lot of things.

[Host 1]

I think you go one step further, too. You even allow that you give the parents the choice if they want to do it or not.

[John Holmberg]

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