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Morning sickness. You've been deceived by an agent of Satan himself. He's evil sitting right here. Come on. No, no he's not. He's not evil. He's just a bit rude. Good morning everybody. Hello there. Welcome to Wednesday. It is 5:45. This is the morning sickness. My name's John Holmberg. There's Brady Bogan, there is Brett Fessley and there's big Dick Toledo. We are ready to go for yet Another glorious day here in paradise. Hot day, definitely. For sure. Those of you who joined us yesterday already, email. First email of the day. I have to catch up on the app because of my job. But the reason Brady doesn't remember his grandma's and grandpa's wedding. People jump right into it. Grandma's, grandma's. Brady's new grandma. Doesn't remember Brady's new grandma because nobody could find him in the streets. They went on without him. He said, tell Brady that he's got to get through the surgery because we here at Frito Lay almost certainly miss him. Mike, the chip guy. Yeah. You can't. You can't put a ding in the Frito Lay stock, Brady. You got to stick around.
Brady Bogan
I got this, Mike.
John Holmberg
And you said. And you were just showing me pictures of yesterday. Brady told us stories about his grandma that seemed vague and strange. And lobotomies were mentioned.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
Brady couldn't remember his new grandma marrying his new grandpa, but maybe he was there, maybe he wasn't there. A lot of weird. A lot of weird. I don't know, like. Like when somebody who's been raped as a child tries to tell stories about their childhood. And we were worried that then Brady had repressed memories. But you went yesterday and you did a little questioning. Yeah. And you asked about. And you showed me a picture.
Brady Bogan
All three.
John Holmberg
My crazy grandma, sister, and mom, crazy grandma Ruth, for no reason at all. On a Shetland pony or something. Was that a donkey? Tijuana. Where was that?
Brady Bogan
It might have been Hawaii.
John Holmberg
And you showed pictures of your family, your mom and dad traveling with.
Brady Bogan
No, that was just. That was my grandfather and another couple.
John Holmberg
Oh, I thought one of them was your dad. Okay. It looks like your dad. All right, so just a couple pictures.
Brady Bogan
And then there was one of my dad, but he was a bachelor.
John Holmberg
I gotcha. But crazy grandma Ruth, Grandpa. And a couple of pictures came up, and she's. You know, she seemed like she was, you know, the life of the party, maybe. I don't know. And also not good. But no lobotomy. You found answers.
Brady Bogan
Shock therapy.
John Holmberg
Shock therapy was a big deal.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
Yeah. Okay. And then what else?
Brady Bogan
And she was. When she was committed, at one time, it was at that. Warren Harding. But when she died, she was at the walk in the public facility. She went there because my mom said she felt more comfortable. Told my grandfather at the facility than she did at home.
John Holmberg
Sure. That's.
Brady Bogan
But then I go. So she choked because I go, you know.
John Holmberg
Yeah.
Brady Bogan
So John's got a theory that murdered had her.
John Holmberg
Got her out. Yeah.
Brady Bogan
And she goes. I was actually the first one contacted. It was right around lunchtime. The hospital called her because they were calling everyone. They called the business. Family business.
John Holmberg
Sure.
Brady Bogan
My dad's not there, grandfather's not. Their grandfather's brother's not there because my mom says it's lunchtime. The men are out having lunch. Like you have cell phones.
John Holmberg
Right.
Brady Bogan
So they get a hold of me. Now I got to figure out how to get over there and find out.
John Holmberg
And tell everybody the news that Grandma Ruth just choked on a Sammy.
Brady Bogan
So my sister remembers it because she went to the funeral. She died in 1971.
John Holmberg
Okay. And you did not. Five. Okay.
Brady Bogan
My brother and I did not go. My sister said she wanted to go because she wanted to see a dead body.
John Holmberg
Cool.
Stand by me now or what?
Brady Bogan
Yeah. And she said. She goes, that give me some nightmares for.
John Holmberg
No kidding. Hot dog.
Brady Bogan
A little more surprised than I thought.
John Holmberg
But the whole theory that Papilla had tried to kill her, at least.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
Not by hand. I'm not saying he did it his physical self, but. But definitely said, you know, she starts to go, let's let her go. And also, I don't buy ever the choice of institution a crazy person likes better than another. Well, one was cheaper than the other.
Brady Bogan
No.
John Holmberg
Yeah.
Brady Bogan
She just felt more. It could have been at both, I'm sure, but. Because the other one you can just go into.
John Holmberg
Right. But she wasn't volunteering. Crazy people don't usually say, I'm going to walk away from this. You know what I'm going to. I'm going to test. It's not a retirement home where they're testing out which looney bin they're going to go to. Especially in the early.
Brady Bogan
I didn't mean it like that. It's just that she. It was almost like the security side of it. I think that's my mom was saying she felt because she didn't she could be there by herself.
John Holmberg
As opposed to what?
Brady Bogan
Having. My grandfather's very social. I mean, they went out and did an institution. Oh, you're in your own room. You can do an art class. You can keep it to yourself.
John Holmberg
Okay. She couldn't do that outside of the institution.
Brady Bogan
I guess not. I mean, again, this is a comment my mom.
John Holmberg
Because grandpa had too many people over all the time. Not listening to the fact crazy wife said I can't handle people in the house going to put me in a loony bin. Yeah, that.
Brady Bogan
Get a board, sister.
John Holmberg
And he did. That's my favorite part of the Family story. She's like, I can't have Brett. I can't have all these people in the house. I don't know what you're doing. And then what does he do? He invites people over. Hey, do it again. I don't know what's going on. You know what? It's the sixties. It's a mess. I'm putting your ass in a loony bin. Oh, I bet you let me. I'll do you a favor and I'll go see which ones are the best so I can check into one that was not around a long time. Yeah, that was a bad situation.
Brady Bogan
They divorced, which was, you know, didn't happen too often back then.
John Holmberg
No, he couldn't escape it.
Brady Bogan
Born plus or 1908.
John Holmberg
Yeah. He was a guy who, like, divorce was not an option.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
And so he had to carry looney all over the place.
Brady Bogan
So my dad was 12 at the time when they. And then they end up getting back together.
John Holmberg
They got divorced, then got remarried.
Brady Bogan
Yep.
John Holmberg
Stuck her in a loony bin during that time.
Brady Bogan
I. I didn't get the. The exact timeline of when they're like, okay, it's time to.
John Holmberg
To lunar for you to spend some time. And so much so he was more than willing to throw a few bucks at shock therapy. This lady.
Brady Bogan
I threw that in for free.
John Holmberg
You think so? I don't think so.
Brady Bogan
I think that was cutting edge at the time.
John Holmberg
Sure. We can run this if you're. This is so much I need to be in on these conversations. You never ask the right question. How in the world was. There has to be two thumbs up coming from a family member.
Brady Bogan
And just so you know, the shock therapy is coming from me more so than I felt. I talked to my dad, and he had mentioned that, but my mom, brother, or sister didn't specifically recall.
John Holmberg
They don't want to talk about that either. But if you know it and your dad knew it. Grandpa was like, get her. Get her good. What man in the 60s wouldn't have shocked, therapized his wife? Like, she's getting a little lippy. We got any treatments for that? And Dr. Like, yes, we do, sir. We can do anything we want to a woman in this day and age? If you'd like, we'd electrocute her head and kind of super brain up for a few days. And we could do that every. It was the botox of the 50s and 60s. We can blast her back into normalcy. And you know what? I bet she shapes up. It kind of nukes her for a second and we saw what happened with Japan when we dropped a little nuke on them. Enjoy your car and television.
Brady Bogan
The other thing I found out is diving in the family tree on that side was the. My great, great grandfather, 15 when he got married.
John Holmberg
Nice.
Brady Bogan
His wife, 23.
John Holmberg
Oh, very nice. Oh, a little early. My grandpa was 27. My grandma was 16. They didn't have kids till they were 18 because Kirby was one that saw that.
Brady Bogan
Oh, my gosh.
John Holmberg
She was 15.
Brady Bogan
She was 23. May married his teacher.
John Holmberg
Is that right?
Brady Bogan
I don't know.
John Holmberg
Could have been.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
That wasn't. He didn't shock her.
Brady Bogan
No.
John Holmberg
Somebody else that was different people. Oh, okay.
Brady Bogan
That would been his grandfather.
John Holmberg
Maybe he did shock her. Be pretty great. I know if my grandpa had the money and time and option, he'd have put. He'd have put a couple of electrodes on my grandma's forehead, that's for sure. Wow. Sure. Sort of answered a couple more questions. I would have.
And it brings up more.
It brings up a lot more. You would have been a terrible lawyer. Counselor. It was like, we've got. Yeah, I've got 10 or 12 more. I'm like, all right, let's pull the string. And. Yeah.
Oh, man.
Let's get into the real, like, deals with it. It's like, how fed up was Grandpa with Grandma to drop her into an institution and had everybody else go, that's about right. And he's still social afterwards. Like, that's a huge question. Like, you. You right now put Ronnie in a mental institution and start having people over to the house afterwards. You look insane person. You look like Dracula. If Brett came in and said, well, put Matthia into a nuthouse last night. Having a party Friday. What? Yeah. She hates being social and I don't. So I took care of it.
Brady Bogan
He got an. He got. He was involved in all that, you know, Lions Club.
John Holmberg
Sure.
Brady Bogan
Shriners.
John Holmberg
He was a very Brady. It's like you having Sonic Ronnie in a loony bin and you still go about your business. Yeah, that's.
Brady Bogan
What are you gonna do? What are you supposed to do?
John Holmberg
Right. You're Dracula. You're Dracula. Yes, a little bit. There's some moping that should be.
Brady Bogan
Moping.
John Holmberg
Put one of those fezes on and going playing cards with the boys.
Brady Bogan
Look, if you don't want to talk to anybody or socialize or.
John Holmberg
You don't put them in a loony house for that. There was more of that. Well, there is more. I mean, she had.
Brady Bogan
It was bipolar or something like that.
John Holmberg
Okay. But think about that this is where the questions need to come. The answers are very like, oh, no, she just wasn't very social. And he was. So he put her in an institution, gave her electroshock therapy. Possibly. There's more to it than that. Well, more to it than she just didn't like parties. You don't go. You don't get your. You don't get thrown into a jail for lunacy just because you're like, man, My husband's a little more social than I am and he thought this was the best place for me. There was a lot more to it than that.
Brady Bogan
I don't think there was much of a fight of going in there.
John Holmberg
No. He probably was like threatening. Scared her to death.
Brady Bogan
She was trying to deal with it also. She was social.
John Holmberg
Deal with being antisocial. There's more to it.
Brady Bogan
Came over the house at Christmas a couple times.
John Holmberg
There's a lot more. The nightmare. Your grandfather was living in that house. Think of what men have tolerated in a house for ages. And you're saying it was tried to make her happy?
Brady Bogan
They moved like five times.
John Holmberg
He's trying to run away from house. You kept finding him.
Brady Bogan
Here's a house with a pool.
John Holmberg
You're gonna try to kill her. Probably wasn't. We'll have a little pool party. What do you say there, doll? Yeah, there's he live. Your grandfather lived in a nightmare for a long time. At home. Those doors would close. That dude was miserable to the point of like, that's it. You're going to the loony bin. Almost want sickness.
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John Holmberg
These the stories are fantastic. Fantastic. It's, it's still super fishy and there's not a lot of answers because I would be like see, here's what I would do. This is just me though. I'd be digging up like you know your aunts and uncles from that same relationship.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
The and like try to find friends who knew them like, like the confidant of your grandfather and just say I know he's probably way dead but like you get a family member some writing something that you're a letter to your grandfather. Your mother did the thing again. Like you try to find some stuff to just. I couldn't live with this one.
Brady Bogan
This would I do have a couple letters from him, my grandfather to his brother when they were selling the family business.
John Holmberg
Oh. And was she involved or was she gone by then?
Brady Bogan
She was long gone.
John Holmberg
Well, okay. Well. Well, none of that matters. He was living his best life at that point.
Brady Bogan
He got when he got remarried was probably two or three years later to Billy was grandma 74 and that's when they decided to sell the family business.
John Holmberg
Was grandma Billy nuts too? A little bit. No, no. Totally social normal.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
Like as far as you know.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
Behind the doors nobody knows that.
Brady Bogan
No. She was a very well respected person.
John Holmberg
And okay. Was your other Grandma well respected in the community.
Brady Bogan
Yeah, but she was just quiet.
John Holmberg
The electricity. Yeah, that's what that does to him.
Brady Bogan
Even before that.
John Holmberg
Well, you're certain? Not so sure. A couple of bonks to the head.
Brady Bogan
She's very pretty. High school.
John Holmberg
Photos don't say the thing about her figure like you did your an.
Brady Bogan
It'll make you get a real nice figure that I can remember when I was five.
John Holmberg
Well, you're looking at pictures.
Brady Bogan
My sister. My brother says, I remember when. That night we went over to my grandfather's house when he found out the news and stuff to, you know, comfort him, whatever. And my brother says, I'll never forget you. You jumped up on his lap and.
John Holmberg
Said, hey, papa Chick, where's the.
Brady Bogan
Grandma's dead.
John Holmberg
Yeah, you were. You were really good at delivering the info. But it wasn't new grandma. Right? He was already moved on. Happy with this new lady?
Brady Bogan
Not yet.
John Holmberg
Oh, but he knew her.
Brady Bogan
I don't know if they knew each other at that particular time.
John Holmberg
He drilled her. So grandma died, like, right after the divorce, or was he already divorced from her?
Brady Bogan
No, she. They were married.
John Holmberg
All right. And then you say a couple years later, he was on top of bill.
Brady Bogan
74. 75 is when they got married.
John Holmberg
And she died when they.
Brady Bogan
They did get married at this chapel at First Community Church.
John Holmberg
Did you go? You did not go.
Brady Bogan
I went to the party afterwards.
John Holmberg
But you don't remember new Grandma?
Brady Bogan
Oh, I remember, Billy, but I don't recall the way.
John Holmberg
That's what we're getting at yesterday. All right, well, there you go. Thank you. Thank you, Brady, once again.
Brady Bogan
Got it. Kind of strange.
John Holmberg
No. No.
Comedy Announcer
Really?
John Holmberg
Is that what you're calling it?
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
Oh, no. You might need electroshock therapy, because it's not really straightened out. It just said, here's seven or eight more new doors we've opened. But.
Brady Bogan
And they moved to Naples.
John Holmberg
Okay. And there was no reason to talk to them ever again. You were going to Naples?
Brady Bogan
Every summer, mostly spring break.
John Holmberg
Yeah. All right. Man, oh, man. It just gets.
Brady Bogan
Kept a place up in Columbus.
John Holmberg
Steve, you know, this is like, somebody who wanted to deal with this better would have bestselling books about their family. Like, you would have written some amazing stuff. Everyone and every. Like, my family is, like, positive. My grandpa killed my great grandfather. Like, or. Or some guy who was with his. Like, we. We weren't sure who this dude is. Burned him in a barn, beat the tar out of him and burned him in a barn with his polio. One arm. One dead arm and one good arm. I'm pretty sure. And it's like legendary. And everybody wants the, like, everybody's asking, how, how do we find out the truth? The newspaper didn't cover it, right? Nothing was like, there was a body inside a barn that burned, but big deal. And it was kind of like he was like the town asshole. And we're not sure if it was his dad, if he found out it was his real dad, if it wasn't crazy stuff. My grandpa was a little nuts too. He used to think he talked to this wardrobe upstairs in the house.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
Because he thought his mother lived in there. Like her spirit. See?
Norman Bates.
There was some moments, and I don't.
Brady Bogan
Believe my grandfather had a place for him.
John Holmberg
Oh, yeah, no, no. There was some moments that you, you weren't allowed to touch this, this wardrobe. Yeah, this, this was like hanging dress wardrobe. If you opened it, he'd lose his mind because I think she's in there. I, I, I, I used to theorize as a little kid, there were parts of her in there. Like, he loved his mother a lot.
Brady Bogan
Maybe that was his Narnia.
John Holmberg
Well, I thought, well, you just, There were chunks of her in there. That's my feeling. But if you opened it, he would say, and there were some arguments to be made, that sometimes that room got weird. My mom still says, and I think she was drunk, that they came back from a party and there was a woman in there that told her she doesn't need to drink that much. And then she went into that closet, shut the door. I'm like, you were drunk. You were young and dumb. No, there was a lady that walked right into that thing. It was full size. Like, it wasn't. You didn't have to step into it. It was like a closet. She walked in there and never came back. And my mom told my grandpa, I was like, some lady upstairs was just up there talking to me. And he goes, you grabbed her by the arm. Said, you never ever talk about what's going on. And that thing. Like, oh, what the hell? And my mom, of course, being a 70s woman's like, get your hand. She probably said it, get your goddamn hands off me.
Did she burn her brow right after that?
She probably just marched for now, immediately after. But my grandpa grabbed her and told her, if you ever open those doors again, you're not allowed in here. And she's like, jesus.
Did she open the doors and check if there was.
I was in there all, There was a, I think he storing old lady bits in there. I think, like, there was like her larynx. Like, you know, Ed Kemper and stuff. Like he had.
Brady Bogan
He'd bugle it.
John Holmberg
Yeah, he would. He would probably just. Just to hear her vibrating tones again. Like her vocal cords. Ed Kemper kept his mother's vocal cords. He cut them out, washed them, and put them in the sink before he called the cops and said, you're not going to like what I did at all. That was his last kill. Just so happens that while he was slaughtering his mother, his mother's friend came over with some pieces. Had to take care of her, too. Just stuffed her in a closet. But then he went right back to work pulling his mom's vocal cords out. Kemper's story is pretty good. Then he just drove away. Called the cops from payphone, said, go look in that house. You're not gonna. It's gross. And then they had to find him, like two states over in Colorado. It's great stuff. And that's because people ask questions and then had follow up answers. None of this vague nonsense Brady comes back with. And a picture.
Brady Bogan
Been a while since we talked about it.
John Holmberg
Picture of his loony granny on a donkey. Like, she hated socializing. She's the life of the party.
Brady Bogan
These are the good days.
John Holmberg
With that thing. When Pop Papal chick would give her the eye. Like, keep it up. Keep it up, bitch. You know what happens when we keep it up. Okay, whoever. Keep it up, bitch. He's looking at me. Yeah, that's right. I'm gonna turn you into Ben Franklin's kite in a second, you keep lipping at me. Get on the donkey. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Just don't. Don't attach me to the lamp again. You got it. Papaled was a beast. I wish I'd have met him.
Brady Bogan
That he was awesome.
John Holmberg
I bet. You better be awesome. You better like him because if you didn't, you realize how crazy that is? I don't think he does. He doesn't.
Absolutely not.
I don't think you get it. I think you're like, oh, that guy was great. Yeah, ask Grandma Ruth how great he.
Brady Bogan
Was trying to fix her.
John Holmberg
Yeah. How you doing? Do it. I feel a little bit better. All right, let's go out. We're going to Lions Club. It's like Doug Hopkins got a clam bake. It's like Hopkins and Joy. She's acting up a little bit, but I zapped her. And we're going to the Moose. Okay, I'll get in the car. That's right. You'll get in the car. I'm Gonna attach you to the battery in a second. Fantastic stories, though. I just don't think you. These Rockwellian glasses that are rose colored just don't see, you know, at the time. Lunacy.
Brady Bogan
Yeah. Stuff you just didn't.
John Holmberg
No. Grandpa was charming with what as electroshock therapy on grandma is something you guys weren't like. What the.
Brady Bogan
No. At me at that particular time. My mom and dad, you know.
John Holmberg
Yeah. But later in life, like you have.
Brady Bogan
The truth and I don't. Yeah. The. The other thing is I gotta, you know, my mom was like, gosh, I'm. It's horrible because I gotta figure out the timeline too.
John Holmberg
Yeah, well, timeline less important than the buzzing. Find out about.
Brady Bogan
Well, that's what I'm saying.
John Holmberg
When.
Brady Bogan
When did she go into the hospital? Was that.
John Holmberg
Yeah, before. There was during. He had had it with her and he wasn't gonna divorce, but he put her away so he could live his life.
Brady Bogan
Well, maybe after the. After the few zaps, he's like, you know what? I want to remarry.
John Holmberg
And seems good again.
Brady Bogan
I got a controllable zombie.
John Holmberg
She's already got a couple ports like Frankenstein. Every time she acts up, he just wraps her up to the lamp. We get it done.
Brady Bogan
She loves Juicy Fruit.
John Holmberg
Did you guys have a cellar or a basement that you weren't allowed in? Because grandpa could go bring her back.
To life, pop some bolts on her neck.
Grandma's down downstairs again. I'm gonna go check on her.
Brady Bogan
He had double kitchens.
John Holmberg
Oh, I bet he did. And the lights dimmed every once in a while. Oh, don't worry about that. Grandma just got mouthy again. My grandpa was an F stick. He was an F boy. I didn't know that. Saw pictures of my grandpa and his leather. He was an airplane mechanic in the war. His hat on a little sideways, looked like. Looked like Mark Gable. 27 years old, comes back from the war, just hosed all of. He was down in New guinea and Australia. He was in World War II. My grandpa was in Australia. That was a party that. That. Dude, I guarantee you I don't know this for sure, but I know it's true. My grandpa probably had the drippy peepee 150 times and then married my 16 year old grandma when he came back home. Which by the way, didn't meet her at 16. She had to be like 14, 15 when he started chatting her up at the movie theater.
Brady Bogan
He crabbed up.
John Holmberg
Oh, he crabbed up hardcore down there. Some southern hemisphere crabs too. Some of them are Aussie crabs. He probably blew through an Aborigine or two and then knocked out a couple Aussie broads, went over to New guinea, whatever lives there. He was popping those two and comes back to Indiana and looks around is like, who's that? Oh, she's in ninth grade. Yeah, I'm gonna knock that around, too. And then. But he's, of course, as you would say about your grandpa, because you're blinded by it. But I wasn't. He was just such a great guy. He was an F boy. Holmberg's morning sickness, big time. Amazing. Yeah, I know he was probably amazing. You don't want to admit he had adult flaws. Especially that thing where he kept electrocuting his wife for pleasure. That's a pretty good flaw. I like that. He's a good guy. Don't understand. Not saying he wasn't. My grandpa was a good guy, too, but he was also an F boy. And, you know, I know that because his youngest son's an F boy and Drunkle Dennis got something from him. And my Uncle Doug was a I want to travel the world and bang everybody for a little while guy. It ran in the family.
Brady Bogan
Papillon's personality during the single. You know, like when they broke up.
John Holmberg
Yeah, they're divorced.
Brady Bogan
I'm sure there were some good times during that.
John Holmberg
Think about how crazy she had to be when in 1940 something, he goes, I gotta get a divorce. And nobody's doing this, but I gotta get out of this house with this bitch. And then a friend of his with a big stein of beer looked over and goes, you know you can electrocute him, right? What? Tell me more. Yeah, you don't have to divorce him and become the scourge of Columbus. You know, people will look down on your business if you do that, but you can electrocute her. Huh? I'll look into that. And he did. Awesome pathel. Ed was a great guy. He's doing what every man would do today when it back. In fact, make America great again. When you could look at your wife and go, that is enough. Where are the electrodes?
Brady Bogan
In the letter that I was telling you about earlier about selling the business to his brother, he was upset because the brother did worked on the books. And after the sale, everything. My grandfather felt like he didn't get his correct percentage after the deal that it was set up in Arts. Favorite brother.
John Holmberg
Yeah.
Brady Bogan
And he's basically scolding him in the letter.
John Holmberg
Oh, yeah.
Brady Bogan
No cussing.
John Holmberg
Little family fight.
Brady Bogan
It's like 19. I mean, yeah, they kept it. They kept it close you were a scout and your scouts are on. This business deal was not being there.
John Holmberg
That was back when a boy scout was more about being a scout than it was about telling anybody you were.
Brady Bogan
Raped and the oath that you took.
John Holmberg
Yeah, that too.
Brady Bogan
He goes, I. I golfed every Tuesday for this business.
John Holmberg
What a sacrifice.
Brady Bogan
Basically he was saying that every Tuesday was going, taking clients out. And he goes, I brought the business.
John Holmberg
I'm the face and personality of the business. If it wasn't for me, these clients wouldn't like this. Because you're a dick is what he was saying.
Brady Bogan
But the way after it said done and the way the sale went down.
John Holmberg
Yeah.
Brady Bogan
The advantage end up being art band up having to try to.
John Holmberg
But you gotta read between the lines on that. He was writing a letter going, you are a dead personality. I'm the life of this party. I brought up the fun one. Everybody liked being with me and we hid you in a closet. You come to my house at 5:30 today and I'll take care of this. And he would have electrocuted his brother too. God, these stories are great. Guy just emailed, says, forget the Epstein files. I want to know more about Brady's life. I know. It's like opening them. It's like the whole thing's redacted with love glasses. I want that letter because I'll find some stuff in that that you'd be like, no, that's not what that means. And then it'll. Your brain will go, damn it. It's probably what that means. And you'll hate it. But Ed was. He threw some haymakers. Oh, I love that Grandpa yours. Wouldn't you like to go back and see the day he heard the doctor say we can attach it to a car battery and straighten her out a little.
Brady Bogan
Yeah, I'm curious about how.
John Holmberg
And just to see his face, you can what? Like he had to go from this is tough to the greatest joy of it. You can do what? Gotta shave her head and we're gonna put some Vaseline on it. Put these big troads. We'll put a rubber chunk in her mouth and we'll tie her up to a car and start it. Then what? I don't know. We'll see. Sometimes it works. Calm her down because we can't take her here either. I don't know how. You're still married to it. And they electrocuted her. Oh, that's so good.
Brady Bogan
I go, I asked my mom, the choking, is that on food or something? She goes, no, it was. It was the Medication.
John Holmberg
She was getting medication alone.
Brady Bogan
Dry throat, she said. But some of the medication. He goes at the facility that she was at.
John Holmberg
Yeah.
Brady Bogan
You're not being. There's not so many attendants around there.
John Holmberg
You just had medication laying around. You could take any time.
Brady Bogan
No, she was giving her medication and evidently they gave the medication.
John Holmberg
She walked away.
Brady Bogan
Yep.
John Holmberg
I saw Cuckoo's Nest. You got it from Nurse.
Brady Bogan
Nurse Ratchet.
John Holmberg
Yeah.
Brady Bogan
Or.
John Holmberg
Yeah. And then you poured into her throat and she had to check it.
Brady Bogan
But this was. A lot of times you just go to your room.
John Holmberg
Yeah, but they had to make sure. If it's a loony bin, they have to make sure you actually take it. You're not giving it to other people.
Brady Bogan
Again, that was the story that she got.
John Holmberg
Your grandma was killed. None of it makes sense. If she was choking on her medicine, she was murdered. This is great. Brett. I can't keep up. I can't either. It's impossible.
I need the Madden chalkboard out here.
Here's a guy. Maybe she killed herself. There's the possibility of that. Yeah. Because she was tired of being, you know, part of the grid.
Brady Bogan
Goodbye, cruel world.
John Holmberg
Old grandma. Buzzy over there. Ruth. Buzz. Sorry to make a mockery of your family, but you started it anyway. We all have crazy families, Brad. Eventually, we'll get into your stories. When enough people pass away and the statute of limitations are up, you'll have a few stories about your family, too. But right now, you're not allowed to say a word. But I bet you your grandpa did his. Sheriff, they didn't electrocute in your family. They just did some.
I mean, they didn't do anything.
They did some.
Brady Bogan
They were. They were left somewhere.
John Holmberg
Well, the women weren't, because women's families will talk. But they were definitely not going out for a few days. You know what I mean? Can't really be seen for four. You get a little mouthy with Brett's grandpa, eh? You're gonna be. You know, we got a couple steaks in the fridge. We're not gonna eat. Those are for you. We'll plaster those on your face and lay down for a little bit. And then a lot of the hand up. Go put your face on. I can barely cover it up. You want another? Oh, God. I have to go to the Lions Club with Giuseppe. You want another? Why don't you just electrocute me like Ed does, Bruce? It costs money.
Brady Bogan
Brett, were both sets of grandparents around when that they hang out much?
John Holmberg
A little bit.
Not.
Not too much.
Andy said when Brady. Brady tells a story about his family. It sounds like when a kid just starts making something up and then oh yeah, and then, yeah, they were. I was at the party and then this and then oh yeah. Anyway, it's pretty good stuff though, Brady, thanks for following up a little bit on that because I did get a lot of emails from people who listened to the podcast during the day and said, I need more. We all need more. Like Sands to Hourglass, these are the days of Brady's lives.
In regards to Brady's families, this is what white privilege sounds like is a black guy.
He's speaking of white Abram. Yeah, he's definitely not. No white person names their child Abram. Hey, Gilbert moms, where the are you? Thought we were against teen violence. Yesterday was a national news story. Maryville had a couple stabbings going on and I didn't see any of those Postino broads on TV screaming to Mark Curtis that we needed to have another round table. So it's only your kids, you hypocrites. Sale of Jimmy Choose.
You know, she.
Oh, yeah, no, she was busy at the. She was online, not reading news stories because her kid made it home okay that day. But it's just our community that matters enough to call the news. Teen violence. Teen violence. So I guess the Maryvale goons got to work yesterday.
Isn't that every damage time?
Yeah. By the way, currently fourth or fifth story if you scroll on the Arizona's family is that there was a fight at Maryvale school and there was a stabbing. They had shut school down for a little bit because the kid died and they stabbed him up. And then let's talk about weather. That's really what people care about around here.
Brady Bogan
Maryvale stabbing violence is on a rock.
John Holmberg
No, no, it isn't. And I guess maybe the only argument the Gilbert moms have for being hypocritical and only caring about their kids when they scream about teen violence on the rise. And we must do something. Only when it's in your neighborhood, you wretched hypocrite. However, Maryvale didn't even, you know, like you didn't see any roundtables or anything else in defense of the Gilbert moms who throw these types of fits. And remember the. The whole city was in a frenzy because of one fight in Gilbert that went really poorly and a kid died and it was tragic and it's awful. Happens in Maryvale. They don't drive their Range Rovers over there to help out. They're not gonna. But again, in defense of them, we're talking about teen violence and this was Maryvale High School. So it's probably in their mid-20s when they. Not a lot of teens going to high school in Maryvale.
And it's under the story angry over ticket man steals Tempe photo radar signs.
Oh, that dude lost his fender pot or silver pot or something or whatever his name was. He lost his. You know what the thing about this. And I hate this. Yeah. That that story now goes above Maryville. It is. Yeah. All right. Somebody stole a photo radar camera. I get so frustrated by the outrage that pours out of one story. And then it happens in a community that nobody cares about. And they're like, so what? These people are so self centered and disgusting that want to make these gigantic showings. And again, don't forget to turn your ring light on before you go on the Internet to complain because I noticed all of you did. And the campaign to get me fired for saying it. And the thing that they were the. Oh, I can't believe he's. He's making fun of us. And we've got real tragedy in our. I can't believe. We just want safe streets for our teens. Okay, what about them? Well, not them. We don't care about that. Just our streets. Yeah, this dude. False news that was put false or otherwise. They were the ones that couldn't wait to be on tv and they kept flipping that ring light on to look pretty when they complained about their lives. So this dude, Sven Silverstein, what was his name? It's in there somewhere. It's very. It's a. It's, it's like me. It's a Swedish Jewish name. Sven Silverston. Silverston.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
Close enough. Yeah. Sven Silverston is in his work truck in Scottsdale Road and he goes by and gets flashed. It's like. God damn it. Like we all do when he noticed. Ah, I got busted by those stupid cameras on the morning sickness. Holmberg's morning sickness. The problem with those are he might have been having a day where his boss. And I'm just, you know, hypothesizing, speculating here where his boss told him beforehand. Sven, things aren't looking good. We might have to let you go. I'm doing my best to save you, but we can't have any hiccups, man. None. Get out there in that truck and go. And so he's in his brain, he's driving along and then some robot takes a picture of him and that's. That's going to end his career. That's. His job's over because the ticket comes Back he's like, sven, come on, I told you we're done here. And there you. So Sven decides in a very smart way, they didn't talk about this in the news because there's no journalism left. He goes over and instead of destroying the camera, he picked up the signs that say photo radar ahead and he got rid of those. Now in my mind, I know what Sven's up to. He's basically saying if there's no signs, there can't be a photo radar, there can't be tickets. So if you just make a warning sign. Well, that's the one rule in all of legal versus lawful is that there has to be posted signs. It can be a piece of paper. But they have. We have. We sign our driver's license to them, basically saying, and the posted time was down. Oh, it wasn't there.
Brady Bogan
Yeah.
John Holmberg
If, if we post a sign, you have to. You've agreed by signing your driver's license to adhere to that sign without any sort of vote or hearing or whatever, you've signed away on your driver's license. The fact that if we post some sort of sign, we can do whatever we want. Now, that goes all the way down to if they post a sign at City hall that says we're going to tear this neighborhood down and build two Walmarts. They wouldn't do that because it would be. Everybody lose their minds. But they're allowed to because all they have to do is say, we're going to have a little city hearing and now we're going to blow this stuff up. That's a far fetched thing. But so photo radar, photo thing ahead. Signs where basically we all agreed when we signed our driver's license, Sven sees that thing and goes, well, I know very little about the law, but I know just enough to know that if they don't have something that warns me about that ticket, I can get out of it. And I'm on my last legs at wherever Sven works. You forget photo radar. People who like it. And I know I'll get the texts and stuff. And people, he shouldn't have been speeding. He was in a work truck. Probably true. Probably true. Have you ever done it? I'm standing up for another Swedish Jew. That's all. I'm going down the road.
I knew that's where this was going.
Our Swede Jews are, I'd say Jewish. Combine them that way. But that's the same thing. Swede Jews, yes. Our Nordic Jewish friends. Because I've got a Swedish. I'm very Swedish. But I've got a Jewish name. So these Swede Jews like me and Sven Silverton, I understand where his brain works. You people, us people. How dare you. I'm telling you right now, these photo radar things are going to turn. They're Jim Crow against us Swedish Jews. But yeah, that's what I think. That's what Sven was saying. You gotta. You gotta dig deep. You can't just see a guy. Everybody just assumes. Dude went nuts over photo radar. There's a lot more to this. He'd probably just take this little misdemeanor ticket if it was normal and. Ah, crap. Talk to the boss. I got screwed. But he might have gotten in trouble, but might have wrecked the truck last time. And now this thing flashes me like I was going 53 and a 40. Damn it. I got to get rid of this. It's like getting rid of a body. He's going to lose his job. So what's he do? He sees the sign. He. Don Quixote. He's that you get pulled over later because he got caught by some camera on a.
Brady Bogan
A.
John Holmberg
On a car dealership on Scottsdale Road ripping up the sign.
Brady Bogan
Porsche dealership.
John Holmberg
Yeah, but it was. It's one of those sandbag signs. It's temporary.
Yeah, I was gonna say, because that thing, he just rips it right out of the ground.
Well, they have them all over.
Brady Bogan
So he could say, okay.
John Holmberg
I thought it was one of those.
Brady Bogan
Permanent saying it was knocked down.
John Holmberg
He was basically saying it wasn't there. Somebody took it.
No, he walked away with it. He knocked down.
He took it off screen. His goal was, if there's no sign, how was I supposed to know he was. He was setting up his argument in court. That's my guess. For Sven, that's the only reason to go back and take the sign. A very wise Swedish Jew was about to go to a courtroom. He was setting up his case. He's got a little lawyer in him with that whole Silverton part.
Brady Bogan
Well, yeah.
John Holmberg
I mean, the only time you see the name Silverton is usually next to hockey Lee and Brown. It's like usually a law firm. Silverton is very rarely driving associates. And this poor guy, the Swedish part of him took over because he's working in a work truck. So the Swedish part, the of is dominant. The Jewish part lives dormant in there, but occasionally pops up and these lawsuits pop in. It's a good move. If it wasn't for those. And I'm telling you right now, this gets deeper. Riddle wrapped in an enigma. What was the dealership what was the car next to the sign? He stole Porsche. Germans got him again. Got them again. They're after us. They'll never let go. And who ratted them out? The Porsche dealership. Silverton. Eh? I believe we have some cameras that might have your assailant. Let's take a look. Yes, right over there by the 9 14.
Susan's selling cars in the first time.
Susan. Susan. Well, she gotta sell something. Yeah, Susan's over there selling cars. We had a man outside of the dealership, looked a little. You done stealing signs? I guess he thought it said free sign. And those people can't let that go. His favorite player, NBA, is the free throw. I'm just playing along. That's the German. Thanks, Brad. The German car dealership ratted out the Jewish guy who was taking the sign to try to forge a case in a court. Sven, I'm on your team if you need a witness. I was behind you and you were speeding because I was tailgating. I was pushing you.
Brady Bogan
They probably didn't mind him moving that sign because it's blocking all those beautiful.
John Holmberg
Cars as the Germans did. They like the sign. They like signs. Octung Yudin. They like signs, but I'm saying, that poor bastard. I saw that last night and I'm like, man, get the backstory and give this dude a break. Give him the ticket. Let him go. He's probably under some heat. Those work truck deals, man. I know guys who run work trucks. I get emails from all the time. You get caught speeding, they'll put governors on them. Sometimes these poor pricks have to drive around with limited, cruddy air conditioning in these giant diesels at 55 miles an hour maximum. Because if they speed, the company doesn't want the tickets. So Sven got a truck. Like, don't get caught doing anything. Don't. I knew a dude who bumped into something and got fired. Long day. You told us about it at the beer release a couple years ago. Yeah, I got fired. I'm like, oh, my God, what happened? Because I drive a work truck. I had a ticket a year ago, and then I bumped into another car and they let me go. They don't. They don't tolerate it anymore. You can't speed in a work truck. This guy says, that's crazy talk, John. I speed because I'm in a work truck. I've got stuff to do. I'm at work. People always try to cut off the work truck and then we speed up and flip you off. I'm speeding right now and texting you this. Yeah. See, that's how it works, Miguel. That's how man does his job. Sven got caught. Sven got caught. And then his inner juice said, I think we can fix this. All you gotta do is go over there and take that sign. If there's no sign, there's no court case. You know what I'm saying? And then Sven's like, he's right. My inner Jew is right. And went back there and he got that sign, put this in the back of the work truck. And then he noticed, oh, crap, there's a second sign. Ah. Had to go swipe something else. And he said, well, I might as well just try to get this camera. I can't do that. And meanwhile, the Germans. What's going on out there? That very pale Juden is stealing signs. Can't be in the sun that long because he's Swedish. So he's making it too sweet. Making great haste to get that sign off, kicking those sandbags. Then he had to get sandbags. Can't leave sandbags behind. That's proof. Probably had some sandbags signed. So now he's got felony charges against him. Poor Sven. And it's all because these stupid photo radar tickets. And I don't. I'm a fan of the police. I'm a fan of the cops in a big way, but that money grab needs to be stopped. You guys do your jobs without robotics and cameras and everything else. You're wasting taxpayer money with a whole working truck that you just put a camera in to do the job. Stop it. We've got Germans for that. Their cameras were up, too. We didn't need you. Let's see some. Let's see a little grace here for my Swedish Jew. Said, man, you Jews are protective of a couple bucks there, Silverton Holmberg. No, no, we weren't protecting our money. He's protecting this g. Poor bastard got caught by a robot. It's one thing at least. If there was red and blues in his rearview mirror, he could have stepped on it, tried to get away from it. I don't know what he would have done but talk his way out of it.
There's pro photo radar, people. Wow, someone worse than Toledo.
Yeah. If there is anybody going, I like the radar. It keeps the streets safe. That's the mother you never want to meet. You know who that is? That's somebody who intentionally purchased one of those glow in the dark flag men to tell everybody else. I'm not really watching my kid that closely, so keep an eye out. If it goes in the Road. They put glow in the dark, men with flags.
They're not watching the kids very well, but they're always out there to yell at you when you go flying by.
Exactly. I'll tell you one of the biggest sources of joy you can have in your life. And I mean, this goes beyond any drug or anything else. If you're on drugs, replace it with what I'm about to tell you. Drive through a neighborhood in Gilbert and hit those things. Nothing Better.
Brady Bogan
Hit the green.
John Holmberg
Hit the little green flag, guys. Oh, that's awesome. They're running right over, too. Tires and everything. Especially got a jeep and just destroys them.
Brady Bogan
You don't want to do that in Gilbert.
John Holmberg
Why?
Brady Bogan
You'll get shot.
John Holmberg
No, you won't. You'll get yelled at and they'll call the news. They'll turn their ring cameras on. You won't believe what I just. Oh, yeah.
Brady Bogan
You won't get away with it.
John Holmberg
Yeah, they'll have other ring cameras, that's true. But they'll have the ring lights and their Instagram post about how their lives have changed. And then they'll hold up the little yellow man with tire tracks on them. Meanwhile, you can still hear me laughing all the way down Gilbert Road. I'm over by Action Ride Shop at that point, just laughing my ass off. You didn't believe it. I hit like four of those little yellow men. Because women don't want to watch their kids anymore, they let they empower the glow in the dark man with a flag.
Brady Bogan
That mother fudger. He ran over four of them.
John Holmberg
That's Gilbert. Dang it.
Brady Bogan
We're gonna get him.
John Holmberg
It's Gilbert. Strong talk. Brady, you be careful. Yes. Van, you have support from cupd. Which of us have can say we've never been guilty of wanting to kick those sandbags out of the way and throw one of those signs into the garbage? Who amongst us can say we've never wanted to get rid of photo radar? Makes the street safe. Somebody electrocute that bitch. Where's Brady's grandpa when we need him? Let's get a wake up song. 5859800 and we'll scream it together. It's 98 KUPD. Wake up. Hey, it's not weird. It's pretty cool, actually. No membership fees. I have heard enough of this.
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Episode Title: Turns Out Brady's Grandma Didn't Have A Lobotomy But Was Committed To The Looney Bin Briefly - Local Man Steals Photo Radar Sign After Getting Ticket In Work Truck
Hosts: John Holmberg, Brady Bogan, Bret Vesely, Dick Toledo
Air Date: August 20, 2025
This episode of Holmberg’s Morning Sickness dives into two major stories. The first is a humorous, chaotic unraveling of Brady Bogan’s family history, focusing on the rumors and realities of his grandmother’s mental health treatment and some wild family lore. The second major point is a bizarre local news story: a man in a work truck, after receiving a ticket from a photo radar camera, steals the official warning signs in a bid to contest the citation. Throughout, the hosts bring their signature irreverent, sarcastic banter, blending family dysfunction with sharp commentary on local happenings, all while poking fun at each other and the absurdity of their stories.
[01:42 – ~33:43]
Clearing the Lobotomy Rumor
Why Was She Institutionalized?
Family Dynamics & Divorce
Death of Grandma Ruth
Family's Approach to Secrets & Lore
Darker, Funnier Family Theories
[34:15 – 48:15]
News Story Breakdown
Hosts’ Social Commentary
Personal Connections and Tangents
[33:43 – 34:15, interwoven]
| Time | Segment | |---------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:42 | Show proper starts, introducing family story, Brady’s grandma | | 03:00 | Discussion on lobotomy vs. shock therapy | | 04:10 | Details about institutionalization and grandma’s death | | 08:07 | Humorous breakdown on 1960s shock therapy | | 11:21 | Speculation on mental illness, bipolar hints | | 17:44 | The “straightened out” status and more unresolved mysteries | | 19:11 | Grandpa’s haunted wardrobe and family madness | | 24:07 | Frankenstein jokes and the “controllable zombie” grandma | | 29:13 | Parsing letters about the family business, hidden drama | | 33:14 | “Making things up” and white privilege callout | | 34:15 | Transition to local photo radar ticket story | | 38:07 | Law details on posted signs and implications | | 43:48 | Outrage over automation in law enforcement | | 47:10 | Jokes about running over yard flag-men in Gilbert | | 48:15 | Reflection on relatable frustrations and sign sabotage |
With signature wit and irreverence, Holmberg’s Morning Sickness blends outrageous storytelling with sharp commentary. You get a (somewhat unreliable) window into Brady’s Midwestern family drama, complete with all its secrets and neuroses, and a hilarious take on everyday Arizona oddities like photo radar enforcement. The hosts’ chemistry makes every tangent and mock-theory worth the listen, even as they never quite arrive at answers—just more questions, laughs, and memorable moments.